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Oldbear83 said:

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in 2020 Presidential Election Polling by Rasmussen(the supposed right leaning pollster) Trump only led Once by 1 point? (Sept 2020)

Today's Rasmussen poll has Trump up 14 POINTS vs Joe Biden

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Biden will not be the Democratic Party nominee .
too soon to tell


Republicans need to nominate Ron DeSantis .
He won't run if Trump does.

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Trump's performance in the primaries this week (55-0) pretty well closes the door of viability on any other candidate on the GOP side.

The arguments against Trump are noted and not without merit. But there simply is no scenario where the GOP gets stronger with anyone else. He has built a unique coalition and any alternative candidate, including DeSantis will not be able to hold it together. Sure, a different candidate could build a different coalition, but that flouts the old adage about "bird in the hand."

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Trump as the GOP nominee is the only chance Democrats have

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Exactly

Trump's base still cant accept that independents are generally fed up with his narcissistic routine .

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again CURRENT polling doesnt suggest that.. its not my opinion.

Look at the polling of 2020 vs today. He lost like the pollsters who know what they are doing said he would and He would win the popular vote as well as the electoral vote based on current polling.

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B 0 L L S H 1T


Name me someone not named DeSantis who is in better shape to win the White House.

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G H W Bush in 1990

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Pretty sure neither George or W is running in 2024.

Swing and a big miss there, pal.

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Your devotion to 2 year out polls is .... Bollsh i t

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2022 polls are as valid as we can get. I will use the 2024 polls when we get to 2024.

Pretending it's a bad idea to support the front-runner, whose policies were the most sound we have seen since Reagan, well that's Sam-level delusion.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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in 2020 Presidential Election Polling by Rasmussen(the supposed right leaning pollster) Trump only led Once by 1 point? (Sept 2020)

Today's Rasmussen poll has Trump up 14 POINTS vs Joe Biden

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Biden will not be the Democratic Party nominee .
too soon to tell


Republicans need to nominate Ron DeSantis .
He won't run if Trump does.

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Trump's performance in the primaries this week (55-0) pretty well closes the door of viability on any other candidate on the GOP side.

The arguments against Trump are noted and not without merit. But there simply is no scenario where the GOP gets stronger with anyone else. He has built a unique coalition and any alternative candidate, including DeSantis will not be able to hold it together. Sure, a different candidate could build a different coalition, but that flouts the old adage about "bird in the hand."

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Trump as the GOP nominee is the only chance Democrats have

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Exactly

Trump's base still cant accept that independents are generally fed up with his narcissistic routine .

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again CURRENT polling doesnt suggest that.. its not my opinion.

Look at the polling of 2020 vs today. He lost like the pollsters who know what they are doing said he would and He would win the popular vote as well as the electoral vote based on current polling.

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B 0 L L S H 1T


Name me someone not named DeSantis who is in better shape to win the White House.

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G H W Bush in 1990

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Pretty sure neither George or W is running in 2024.

Swing and a big miss there, pal.

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Your devotion to 2 year out polls is .... Bollsh i t

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2022 polls are as valid as we can get. I will use the 2024 polls when we get to 2024.

Pretending it's a bad idea to support the front-runner, whose policies were the most sound we have seen since Reagan, well that's Sam-level delusion.

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I thought we were discussing using 2022 primary results to predict 2024 general election results. I don't think it is valid, you do. One of us is wrong. We'll see

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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in 2020 Presidential Election Polling by Rasmussen(the supposed right leaning pollster) Trump only led Once by 1 point? (Sept 2020)

Today's Rasmussen poll has Trump up 14 POINTS vs Joe Biden

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Biden will not be the Democratic Party nominee .
too soon to tell


Republicans need to nominate Ron DeSantis .
He won't run if Trump does.

---

Trump's performance in the primaries this week (55-0) pretty well closes the door of viability on any other candidate on the GOP side.

The arguments against Trump are noted and not without merit. But there simply is no scenario where the GOP gets stronger with anyone else. He has built a unique coalition and any alternative candidate, including DeSantis will not be able to hold it together. Sure, a different candidate could build a different coalition, but that flouts the old adage about "bird in the hand."

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Trump as the GOP nominee is the only chance Democrats have

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Exactly

Trump's base still cant accept that independents are generally fed up with his narcissistic routine .

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again CURRENT polling doesnt suggest that.. its not my opinion.

Look at the polling of 2020 vs today. He lost like the pollsters who know what they are doing said he would and He would win the popular vote as well as the electoral vote based on current polling.

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B 0 L L S H 1T


Name me someone not named DeSantis who is in better shape to win the White House.

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I think you're confused, I'm stating that Trump has the best shot at it based on current polling. We are not in disagreement. Trump leads all, Desantis is second.

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Desantis is far more electable in the general election than Trump.

Not remotely a close call.

Don't confuse name recognition early in a campaign with electability .

Trump has FAR too much baggage ....and the consistent ability to shoot himself right in the mouth .

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you are right, what was I thinking.. i must have been confused reading all those polls of registered voters that show Trump winning if election held today

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There were several posters who were convinced Trump was going to win in 2020.

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ok.. there are several posters on here that think Trump was the worst president in History.. even as Biden has told him and Carter to hold his beer.

The polls didnt show him winning and he didnt. The polls now show him not only winning but at popular vote levels. Again, not my opinion but the opinion of the American registered voters across Multiple polls.

Side note- new CNN poll shows the largest GOP spread in years at +7 heading into the mid terms. This is a post SCOTUS leak poll..

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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in 2020 Presidential Election Polling by Rasmussen(the supposed right leaning pollster) Trump only led Once by 1 point? (Sept 2020)

Today's Rasmussen poll has Trump up 14 POINTS vs Joe Biden

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Biden will not be the Democratic Party nominee .
too soon to tell


Republicans need to nominate Ron DeSantis .
He won't run if Trump does.

---

Trump's performance in the primaries this week (55-0) pretty well closes the door of viability on any other candidate on the GOP side.

The arguments against Trump are noted and not without merit. But there simply is no scenario where the GOP gets stronger with anyone else. He has built a unique coalition and any alternative candidate, including DeSantis will not be able to hold it together. Sure, a different candidate could build a different coalition, but that flouts the old adage about "bird in the hand."

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Trump as the GOP nominee is the only chance Democrats have

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Exactly

Trump's base still cant accept that independents are generally fed up with his narcissistic routine .

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again CURRENT polling doesnt suggest that.. its not my opinion.

Look at the polling of 2020 vs today. He lost like the pollsters who know what they are doing said he would and He would win the popular vote as well as the electoral vote based on current polling.

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B 0 L L S H 1T


Name me someone not named DeSantis who is in better shape to win the White House.

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G H W Bush in 1990

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Pretty sure neither George or W is running in 2024.

Swing and a big miss there, pal.

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Your devotion to 2 year out polls is .... Bollsh i t

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2022 polls are as valid as we can get. I will use the 2024 polls when we get to 2024.

Pretending it's a bad idea to support the front-runner, whose policies were the most sound we have seen since Reagan, well that's Sam-level delusion.

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I thought we were discussing using 2022 primary results to predict 2024 general election results. I don't think it is valid, you do. One of us is wrong. We'll see

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We're discussing who, right now, is the leading choice to win the White House in 2024.

DeSantis says he is not running, and the polls right now say if that remains the case, Trump wins the GOP nomination and the White House,

I have always said it's a long way to 2024, but pretending Trump is not the front-runner is flat-out stupid.

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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in 2020 Presidential Election Polling by Rasmussen(the supposed right leaning pollster) Trump only led Once by 1 point? (Sept 2020)

Today's Rasmussen poll has Trump up 14 POINTS vs Joe Biden

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Biden will not be the Democratic Party nominee .
too soon to tell


Republicans need to nominate Ron DeSantis .
He won't run if Trump does.

---

Trump's performance in the primaries this week (55-0) pretty well closes the door of viability on any other candidate on the GOP side.

The arguments against Trump are noted and not without merit. But there simply is no scenario where the GOP gets stronger with anyone else. He has built a unique coalition and any alternative candidate, including DeSantis will not be able to hold it together. Sure, a different candidate could build a different coalition, but that flouts the old adage about "bird in the hand."

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Trump as the GOP nominee is the only chance Democrats have

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Exactly

Trump's base still cant accept that independents are generally fed up with his narcissistic routine .

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again CURRENT polling doesnt suggest that.. its not my opinion.

Look at the polling of 2020 vs today. He lost like the pollsters who know what they are doing said he would and He would win the popular vote as well as the electoral vote based on current polling.

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B 0 L L S H 1T


Name me someone not named DeSantis who is in better shape to win the White House.

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I think you're confused, I'm stating that Trump has the best shot at it based on current polling. We are not in disagreement. Trump leads all, Desantis is second.

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Desantis is far more electable in the general election than Trump.

Not remotely a close call.

Don't confuse name recognition early in a campaign with electability .

Trump has FAR too much baggage ....and the consistent ability to shoot himself right in the mouth .

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you are right, what was I thinking.. i must have been confused reading all those polls of registered voters that show Trump winning if election held today

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There were several posters who were convinced Trump was going to win in 2020.

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ok.. there are several posters on here that think Trump was the worst president in History.. even as Biden has told him and Carter to hold his beer.

The polls didnt show him winning and he didnt. The polls now show him not only winning but at popular vote levels. Again, not my opinion but the opinion of the American registered voters across Multiple polls.

Side note- new CNN poll shows the largest GOP spread in years at +7 heading into the mid terms. This is a post SCOTUS leak poll..

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You are ignoring the realities of name recognition early in such political positioning .

Dems would love to face Trump in another election. As their same propaganda would easily work still again .

"their same propaganda would easily work still again ."


The recent memory of Biden's policies, be they economic, foreign, or whatever, would be very much a game changer.

Eventually you are gonna have to realize the way to replace Trump is to find someone else with his policies but DeSantis' style (and D is not running per his current statements).

If you can't find that person, the best choice is Trump 2.0

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It's a shame the National Guard wasn't there to help confront such brilliant planners. There is never a large, open gathering of thousands in an outdoor area without the "professional" rabble rousers around.

Any instigators of the riot at the Capitol deserve lots of time in the can.

Any boneheaded followers into the Capitol need to do penance at the least for being a cow in a herd and hurting conservative causes across the country for years to come.

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um, are you paying attention? A GOP mayor for Ok city after unseating the Dem
Incumbent. School boards are getting sweeping vote outs. The conservative movement is as strong as ever

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On the flip, Obama led the Democrat Socialists to the least amount of power in a century. Pretty amazingly bad but he did suck

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Oldbear83 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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in 2020 Presidential Election Polling by Rasmussen(the supposed right leaning pollster) Trump only led Once by 1 point? (Sept 2020)

Today's Rasmussen poll has Trump up 14 POINTS vs Joe Biden

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Biden will not be the Democratic Party nominee .
too soon to tell


Republicans need to nominate Ron DeSantis .
He won't run if Trump does.

---

Trump's performance in the primaries this week (55-0) pretty well closes the door of viability on any other candidate on the GOP side.

The arguments against Trump are noted and not without merit. But there simply is no scenario where the GOP gets stronger with anyone else. He has built a unique coalition and any alternative candidate, including DeSantis will not be able to hold it together. Sure, a different candidate could build a different coalition, but that flouts the old adage about "bird in the hand."

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Trump as the GOP nominee is the only chance Democrats have

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Exactly

Trump's base still cant accept that independents are generally fed up with his narcissistic routine .

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again CURRENT polling doesnt suggest that.. its not my opinion.

Look at the polling of 2020 vs today. He lost like the pollsters who know what they are doing said he would and He would win the popular vote as well as the electoral vote based on current polling.

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B 0 L L S H 1T


Name me someone not named DeSantis who is in better shape to win the White House.

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G H W Bush in 1990

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Pretty sure neither George or W is running in 2024.

Swing and a big miss there, pal.

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Your devotion to 2 year out polls is .... Bollsh i t

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2022 polls are as valid as we can get. I will use the 2024 polls when we get to 2024.

Pretending it's a bad idea to support the front-runner, whose policies were the most sound we have seen since Reagan, well that's Sam-level delusion.

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I thought we were discussing using 2022 primary results to predict 2024 general election results. I don't think it is valid, you do. One of us is wrong. We'll see

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We're discussing who, right now, is the leading choice to win the White House in 2024.

DeSantis says he is not running, and the polls right now say if that remains the case, Trump wins the GOP nomination and the White House,

I have always said it's a long way to 2024, but pretending Trump is not the front-runner is flat-out stupid.

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Prayers up he doesn't get an unfortunate umbrella touch

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Kemp is destroying Perdue in Georgia polls for governor. So much so, despite having 4 candidates running for the Republican nomination, it appears it won't even require a runoff as Kemp is likely to get over 50%. Kemp also is leading Stacy Abrams by 10 points in general polls, while Perdue would be neck/neck with her.

Trump as the Presidential nominee is insanity. Trump is as elite as they come, so I'm not sure what this disappearance of the "elitist GOP" is about. He's so elite he wants people to eat out of his hand, and bend to his will because he said so, be damned the rest of you. I really don't understand this appeal other than he feels like a giant F-you to your opponent.

I see the call out, and rightly so, of Democratic "elites" as they coddle the poor and minority communities while being limousine liberals well outside of any of the plight they capitalize on. What do you think Trump is doing? The guy isn't a principled crusader. He's a power hungry narcissist. Way past time to move on, especially when you have a strong viable candidate coming up.

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the GOP has been seen in the past as the party of the rich/corporations. Trump brought in way more blue collar and minority than any other recent GOP president canidate(he lost the elite white vote and corporate money, that went to Biden)

Yall keep posting your feelings, i keep posting mostly third party info and get slammed for it. Facts dont care aboit your feelings. Just cause you think Trump is a power hungry narcissist doesnt make him the wrong choice in the last 2 elections. He will be the right choice in 2024 if he gets the GOP nomination. Only like 1 or 2 Dem choices that could beat Trump as of right now and they dont seem to have their party's endorsement.

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Just wait until the campaign starts and they pull out the way back machine of Trump with all the assemblage of Jan 6 guys, his convicted buddies, stolen election cries, riot videos, etc.

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Well, if nothing else it will certainly rally the base.

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Oldbear83 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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in 2020 Presidential Election Polling by Rasmussen(the supposed right leaning pollster) Trump only led Once by 1 point? (Sept 2020)

Today's Rasmussen poll has Trump up 14 POINTS vs Joe Biden

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Biden will not be the Democratic Party nominee .
too soon to tell


Republicans need to nominate Ron DeSantis .
He won't run if Trump does.

---

Trump's performance in the primaries this week (55-0) pretty well closes the door of viability on any other candidate on the GOP side.

The arguments against Trump are noted and not without merit. But there simply is no scenario where the GOP gets stronger with anyone else. He has built a unique coalition and any alternative candidate, including DeSantis will not be able to hold it together. Sure, a different candidate could build a different coalition, but that flouts the old adage about "bird in the hand."

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Trump as the GOP nominee is the only chance Democrats have

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Exactly

Trump's base still cant accept that independents are generally fed up with his narcissistic routine .

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again CURRENT polling doesnt suggest that.. its not my opinion.

Look at the polling of 2020 vs today. He lost like the pollsters who know what they are doing said he would and He would win the popular vote as well as the electoral vote based on current polling.

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B 0 L L S H 1T


Name me someone not named DeSantis who is in better shape to win the White House.

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I think you're confused, I'm stating that Trump has the best shot at it based on current polling. We are not in disagreement. Trump leads all, Desantis is second.

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Desantis is far more electable in the general election than Trump.

Not remotely a close call.

Don't confuse name recognition early in a campaign with electability .

Trump has FAR too much baggage ....and the consistent ability to shoot himself right in the mouth .

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you are right, what was I thinking.. i must have been confused reading all those polls of registered voters that show Trump winning if election held today

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There were several posters who were convinced Trump was going to win in 2020.

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The polls didnt show him winning and he didnt.

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Them's fighting words. How much is Soros paying you?

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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in 2020 Presidential Election Polling by Rasmussen(the supposed right leaning pollster) Trump only led Once by 1 point? (Sept 2020)

Today's Rasmussen poll has Trump up 14 POINTS vs Joe Biden

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Biden will not be the Democratic Party nominee .
too soon to tell


Republicans need to nominate Ron DeSantis .
He won't run if Trump does.

---

Trump's performance in the primaries this week (55-0) pretty well closes the door of viability on any other candidate on the GOP side.

The arguments against Trump are noted and not without merit. But there simply is no scenario where the GOP gets stronger with anyone else. He has built a unique coalition and any alternative candidate, including DeSantis will not be able to hold it together. Sure, a different candidate could build a different coalition, but that flouts the old adage about "bird in the hand."

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Trump as the GOP nominee is the only chance Democrats have

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Exactly

Trump's base still cant accept that independents are generally fed up with his narcissistic routine .

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again CURRENT polling doesnt suggest that.. its not my opinion.

Look at the polling of 2020 vs today. He lost like the pollsters who know what they are doing said he would and He would win the popular vote as well as the electoral vote based on current polling.

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B 0 L L S H 1T


Name me someone not named DeSantis who is in better shape to win the White House.

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G H W Bush in 1990

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Pretty sure neither George or W is running in 2024.

Swing and a big miss there, pal.

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Your devotion to 2 year out polls is .... Bollsh i t

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2022 polls are as valid as we can get. I will use the 2024 polls when we get to 2024.

Pretending it's a bad idea to support the front-runner, whose policies were the most sound we have seen since Reagan, well that's Sam-level delusion.

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I thought we were discussing using 2022 primary results to predict 2024 general election results. I don't think it is valid, you do. One of us is wrong. We'll see

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We're discussing who, right now, is the leading choice to win the White House in 2024.

DeSantis says he is not running, and the polls right now say if that remains the case, Trump wins the GOP nomination and the White House,

I have always said it's a long way to 2024, but pretending Trump is not the front-runner is flat-out stupid.

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Trump is leading in the polls for the Republican nomination in 2024. He appears to be ahead of Biden and or Harris. We don't know who the Dems will nominate, but I doubt it will be either of those two.

You have been critical of polls since 2016 polls missed Clinton-Trump race 1 week before the election. As you said, it is 2 years out and Trump is tested against Biden, a candidate who isn't going to be there.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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in 2020 Presidential Election Polling by Rasmussen(the supposed right leaning pollster) Trump only led Once by 1 point? (Sept 2020)

Today's Rasmussen poll has Trump up 14 POINTS vs Joe Biden

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Biden will not be the Democratic Party nominee .
too soon to tell


Republicans need to nominate Ron DeSantis .
He won't run if Trump does.

---

Trump's performance in the primaries this week (55-0) pretty well closes the door of viability on any other candidate on the GOP side.

The arguments against Trump are noted and not without merit. But there simply is no scenario where the GOP gets stronger with anyone else. He has built a unique coalition and any alternative candidate, including DeSantis will not be able to hold it together. Sure, a different candidate could build a different coalition, but that flouts the old adage about "bird in the hand."

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Trump as the GOP nominee is the only chance Democrats have

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Exactly

Trump's base still cant accept that independents are generally fed up with his narcissistic routine .

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again CURRENT polling doesnt suggest that.. its not my opinion.

Look at the polling of 2020 vs today. He lost like the pollsters who know what they are doing said he would and He would win the popular vote as well as the electoral vote based on current polling.

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B 0 L L S H 1T


Name me someone not named DeSantis who is in better shape to win the White House.

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G H W Bush in 1990

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Pretty sure neither George or W is running in 2024.

Swing and a big miss there, pal.

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Your devotion to 2 year out polls is .... Bollsh i t

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2022 polls are as valid as we can get. I will use the 2024 polls when we get to 2024.

Pretending it's a bad idea to support the front-runner, whose policies were the most sound we have seen since Reagan, well that's Sam-level delusion.

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I thought we were discussing using 2022 primary results to predict 2024 general election results. I don't think it is valid, you do. One of us is wrong. We'll see

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We're discussing who, right now, is the leading choice to win the White House in 2024.

DeSantis says he is not running, and the polls right now say if that remains the case, Trump wins the GOP nomination and the White House,

I have always said it's a long way to 2024, but pretending Trump is not the front-runner is flat-out stupid.

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Trump is leading in the polls for the Republican nomination in 2024. He appears to be ahead of Biden and or Harris. We don't know who the Dems will nominate, but I doubt it will be either of those two.

You have been critical of polls since 2016 polls missed Clinton-Trump race 1 week before the election. As you said, it is 2 years out and Trump is tested against Biden, a candidate who isn't going to be there.

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he wasnt critical of all polls, just the bad ones.. the bad ones got it wrong in 2020 as well just didnt matter because the outcome was still a Biden win.. there are 2022 pollsters who have gotten within a 1/2 point of results in state races. These are the guys that were closest in 16,18, and 20.

RCP has some absolute trash polls in its average and are rated with highly but continually miss the mark.

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Canada2017 said:

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in 2020 Presidential Election Polling by Rasmussen(the supposed right leaning pollster) Trump only led Once by 1 point? (Sept 2020)

Today's Rasmussen poll has Trump up 14 POINTS vs Joe Biden

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Biden will not be the Democratic Party nominee .
too soon to tell


Republicans need to nominate Ron DeSantis .
He won't run if Trump does.

---

Trump's performance in the primaries this week (55-0) pretty well closes the door of viability on any other candidate on the GOP side.

The arguments against Trump are noted and not without merit. But there simply is no scenario where the GOP gets stronger with anyone else. He has built a unique coalition and any alternative candidate, including DeSantis will not be able to hold it together. Sure, a different candidate could build a different coalition, but that flouts the old adage about "bird in the hand."

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Trump as the GOP nominee is the only chance Democrats have

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Exactly

Trump's base still cant accept that independents are generally fed up with his narcissistic routine .

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again CURRENT polling doesnt suggest that.. its not my opinion.

Look at the polling of 2020 vs today. He lost like the pollsters who know what they are doing said he would and He would win the popular vote as well as the electoral vote based on current polling.

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B 0 L L S H 1T


Name me someone not named DeSantis who is in better shape to win the White House.

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G H W Bush in 1990

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Pretty sure neither George or W is running in 2024.

Swing and a big miss there, pal.

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Your devotion to 2 year out polls is .... Bollsh i t

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2022 polls are as valid as we can get. I will use the 2024 polls when we get to 2024.

Pretending it's a bad idea to support the front-runner, whose policies were the most sound we have seen since Reagan, well that's Sam-level delusion.

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I thought we were discussing using 2022 primary results to predict 2024 general election results. I don't think it is valid, you do. One of us is wrong. We'll see

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We're discussing who, right now, is the leading choice to win the White House in 2024.

DeSantis says he is not running, and the polls right now say if that remains the case, Trump wins the GOP nomination and the White House,

I have always said it's a long way to 2024, but pretending Trump is not the front-runner is flat-out stupid.

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Trump is leading in the polls for the Republican nomination in 2024. He appears to be ahead of Biden and or Harris. We don't know who the Dems will nominate, but I doubt it will be either of those two.

You have been critical of polls since 2016 polls missed Clinton-Trump race 1 week before the election. As you said, it is 2 years out and Trump is tested against Biden, a candidate who isn't going to be there.

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About that. I think Biden will be the DNC nominee, but that's for another thread.

4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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in 2020 Presidential Election Polling by Rasmussen(the supposed right leaning pollster) Trump only led Once by 1 point? (Sept 2020)

Today's Rasmussen poll has Trump up 14 POINTS vs Joe Biden

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Biden will not be the Democratic Party nominee .
too soon to tell


Republicans need to nominate Ron DeSantis .
He won't run if Trump does.

---

Trump's performance in the primaries this week (55-0) pretty well closes the door of viability on any other candidate on the GOP side.

The arguments against Trump are noted and not without merit. But there simply is no scenario where the GOP gets stronger with anyone else. He has built a unique coalition and any alternative candidate, including DeSantis will not be able to hold it together. Sure, a different candidate could build a different coalition, but that flouts the old adage about "bird in the hand."

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Trump as the GOP nominee is the only chance Democrats have

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Exactly

Trump's base still cant accept that independents are generally fed up with his narcissistic routine .

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again CURRENT polling doesnt suggest that.. its not my opinion.

Look at the polling of 2020 vs today. He lost like the pollsters who know what they are doing said he would and He would win the popular vote as well as the electoral vote based on current polling.

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B 0 L L S H 1T


Name me someone not named DeSantis who is in better shape to win the White House.

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G H W Bush in 1990

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Pretty sure neither George or W is running in 2024.

Swing and a big miss there, pal.

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Your devotion to 2 year out polls is .... Bollsh i t

---

2022 polls are as valid as we can get. I will use the 2024 polls when we get to 2024.

Pretending it's a bad idea to support the front-runner, whose policies were the most sound we have seen since Reagan, well that's Sam-level delusion.

---

I thought we were discussing using 2022 primary results to predict 2024 general election results. I don't think it is valid, you do. One of us is wrong. We'll see

---

We're discussing who, right now, is the leading choice to win the White House in 2024.

DeSantis says he is not running, and the polls right now say if that remains the case, Trump wins the GOP nomination and the White House,

I have always said it's a long way to 2024, but pretending Trump is not the front-runner is flat-out stupid.

---

Trump is leading in the polls for the Republican nomination in 2024. He appears to be ahead of Biden and or Harris. We don't know who the Dems will nominate, but I doubt it will be either of those two.

You have been critical of polls since 2016 polls missed Clinton-Trump race 1 week before the election. As you said, it is 2 years out and Trump is tested against Biden, a candidate who isn't going to be there.

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he wasnt critical of all polls, just the bad ones.. the bad ones got it wrong in 2020 as well just didnt matter because the outcome was still a Biden win.. there are 2022 pollsters who have gotten within a 1/2 point of results in state races. These are the guys that were closest in 16,18, and 20.

RCP has some absolute trash polls in its average and are rated with highly but continually miss the mark.

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Polls that agree with you are good polls?

Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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in 2020 Presidential Election Polling by Rasmussen(the supposed right leaning pollster) Trump only led Once by 1 point? (Sept 2020)

Today's Rasmussen poll has Trump up 14 POINTS vs Joe Biden

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Biden will not be the Democratic Party nominee .
too soon to tell


Republicans need to nominate Ron DeSantis .
He won't run if Trump does.

---

Trump's performance in the primaries this week (55-0) pretty well closes the door of viability on any other candidate on the GOP side.

The arguments against Trump are noted and not without merit. But there simply is no scenario where the GOP gets stronger with anyone else. He has built a unique coalition and any alternative candidate, including DeSantis will not be able to hold it together. Sure, a different candidate could build a different coalition, but that flouts the old adage about "bird in the hand."

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Trump as the GOP nominee is the only chance Democrats have

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Exactly

Trump's base still cant accept that independents are generally fed up with his narcissistic routine .

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again CURRENT polling doesnt suggest that.. its not my opinion.

Look at the polling of 2020 vs today. He lost like the pollsters who know what they are doing said he would and He would win the popular vote as well as the electoral vote based on current polling.

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B 0 L L S H 1T


Name me someone not named DeSantis who is in better shape to win the White House.

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G H W Bush in 1990

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Pretty sure neither George or W is running in 2024.

Swing and a big miss there, pal.

---

Your devotion to 2 year out polls is .... Bollsh i t

---

2022 polls are as valid as we can get. I will use the 2024 polls when we get to 2024.

Pretending it's a bad idea to support the front-runner, whose policies were the most sound we have seen since Reagan, well that's Sam-level delusion.

---

I thought we were discussing using 2022 primary results to predict 2024 general election results. I don't think it is valid, you do. One of us is wrong. We'll see

---

We're discussing who, right now, is the leading choice to win the White House in 2024.

DeSantis says he is not running, and the polls right now say if that remains the case, Trump wins the GOP nomination and the White House,

I have always said it's a long way to 2024, but pretending Trump is not the front-runner is flat-out stupid.

---

Trump is leading in the polls for the Republican nomination in 2024. He appears to be ahead of Biden and or Harris. We don't know who the Dems will nominate, but I doubt it will be either of those two.

You have been critical of polls since 2016 polls missed Clinton-Trump race 1 week before the election. As you said, it is 2 years out and Trump is tested against Biden, a candidate who isn't going to be there.

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he wasnt critical of all polls, just the bad ones.. the bad ones got it wrong in 2020 as well just didnt matter because the outcome was still a Biden win.. there are 2022 pollsters who have gotten within a 1/2 point of results in state races. These are the guys that were closest in 16,18, and 20.

RCP has some absolute trash polls in its average and are rated with highly but continually miss the mark.

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Polls that agree with you are good polls?

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polls that actually predict the results are good polls. Polls that predicted Biden winning by 11 but he actually won by .4 are not good polls even if they predict the win.

Hope you werent serious with your reply..

4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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in 2020 Presidential Election Polling by Rasmussen(the supposed right leaning pollster) Trump only led Once by 1 point? (Sept 2020)

Today's Rasmussen poll has Trump up 14 POINTS vs Joe Biden

---

Biden will not be the Democratic Party nominee .
too soon to tell


Republicans need to nominate Ron DeSantis .
He won't run if Trump does.

---

Trump's performance in the primaries this week (55-0) pretty well closes the door of viability on any other candidate on the GOP side.

The arguments against Trump are noted and not without merit. But there simply is no scenario where the GOP gets stronger with anyone else. He has built a unique coalition and any alternative candidate, including DeSantis will not be able to hold it together. Sure, a different candidate could build a different coalition, but that flouts the old adage about "bird in the hand."

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Trump as the GOP nominee is the only chance Democrats have

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Exactly

Trump's base still cant accept that independents are generally fed up with his narcissistic routine .

---

again CURRENT polling doesnt suggest that.. its not my opinion.

Look at the polling of 2020 vs today. He lost like the pollsters who know what they are doing said he would and He would win the popular vote as well as the electoral vote based on current polling.

---

B 0 L L S H 1T


Name me someone not named DeSantis who is in better shape to win the White House.

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G H W Bush in 1990

---

Pretty sure neither George or W is running in 2024.

Swing and a big miss there, pal.

---

Your devotion to 2 year out polls is .... Bollsh i t

---

2022 polls are as valid as we can get. I will use the 2024 polls when we get to 2024.

Pretending it's a bad idea to support the front-runner, whose policies were the most sound we have seen since Reagan, well that's Sam-level delusion.

---

I thought we were discussing using 2022 primary results to predict 2024 general election results. I don't think it is valid, you do. One of us is wrong. We'll see

---

We're discussing who, right now, is the leading choice to win the White House in 2024.

DeSantis says he is not running, and the polls right now say if that remains the case, Trump wins the GOP nomination and the White House,

I have always said it's a long way to 2024, but pretending Trump is not the front-runner is flat-out stupid.

---

Trump is leading in the polls for the Republican nomination in 2024. He appears to be ahead of Biden and or Harris. We don't know who the Dems will nominate, but I doubt it will be either of those two.

You have been critical of polls since 2016 polls missed Clinton-Trump race 1 week before the election. As you said, it is 2 years out and Trump is tested against Biden, a candidate who isn't going to be there.

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he wasnt critical of all polls, just the bad ones.. the bad ones got it wrong in 2020 as well just didnt matter because the outcome was still a Biden win.. there are 2022 pollsters who have gotten within a 1/2 point of results in state races. These are the guys that were closest in 16,18, and 20.

RCP has some absolute trash polls in its average and are rated with highly but continually miss the mark.

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Polls that agree with you are good polls?

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polls that actually predict the results are good polls. Polls that predicted Biden winning by 11 but he actually won by .4 are not good polls even if they predict the win.

Hope you werent serious with your reply..

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I was serious. Do you have a list of the good polls? I want to track them

Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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in 2020 Presidential Election Polling by Rasmussen(the supposed right leaning pollster) Trump only led Once by 1 point? (Sept 2020)

Today's Rasmussen poll has Trump up 14 POINTS vs Joe Biden

---

Biden will not be the Democratic Party nominee .
too soon to tell


Republicans need to nominate Ron DeSantis .
He won't run if Trump does.

---

Trump's performance in the primaries this week (55-0) pretty well closes the door of viability on any other candidate on the GOP side.

The arguments against Trump are noted and not without merit. But there simply is no scenario where the GOP gets stronger with anyone else. He has built a unique coalition and any alternative candidate, including DeSantis will not be able to hold it together. Sure, a different candidate could build a different coalition, but that flouts the old adage about "bird in the hand."

---

Trump as the GOP nominee is the only chance Democrats have

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Exactly

Trump's base still cant accept that independents are generally fed up with his narcissistic routine .

---

again CURRENT polling doesnt suggest that.. its not my opinion.

Look at the polling of 2020 vs today. He lost like the pollsters who know what they are doing said he would and He would win the popular vote as well as the electoral vote based on current polling.

---

B 0 L L S H 1T


Name me someone not named DeSantis who is in better shape to win the White House.

---

G H W Bush in 1990

---

Pretty sure neither George or W is running in 2024.

Swing and a big miss there, pal.

---

Your devotion to 2 year out polls is .... Bollsh i t

---

2022 polls are as valid as we can get. I will use the 2024 polls when we get to 2024.

Pretending it's a bad idea to support the front-runner, whose policies were the most sound we have seen since Reagan, well that's Sam-level delusion.

---

I thought we were discussing using 2022 primary results to predict 2024 general election results. I don't think it is valid, you do. One of us is wrong. We'll see

---

We're discussing who, right now, is the leading choice to win the White House in 2024.

DeSantis says he is not running, and the polls right now say if that remains the case, Trump wins the GOP nomination and the White House,

I have always said it's a long way to 2024, but pretending Trump is not the front-runner is flat-out stupid.

---

Trump is leading in the polls for the Republican nomination in 2024. He appears to be ahead of Biden and or Harris. We don't know who the Dems will nominate, but I doubt it will be either of those two.

You have been critical of polls since 2016 polls missed Clinton-Trump race 1 week before the election. As you said, it is 2 years out and Trump is tested against Biden, a candidate who isn't going to be there.

---

he wasnt critical of all polls, just the bad ones.. the bad ones got it wrong in 2020 as well just didnt matter because the outcome was still a Biden win.. there are 2022 pollsters who have gotten within a 1/2 point of results in state races. These are the guys that were closest in 16,18, and 20.

RCP has some absolute trash polls in its average and are rated with highly but continually miss the mark.

---

Polls that agree with you are good polls?

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polls that actually predict the results are good polls. Polls that predicted Biden winning by 11 but he actually won by .4 are not good polls even if they predict the win.

Hope you werent serious with your reply..

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I was serious. Do you have a list of the good polls? I want to track them

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It's been a while since I did the deep dive, but here is an analysis of the 2004 election

http://stolenthunder.blogspot.com/2004/09/poll-accuracy-national.html

and one for 2008

http://stolenthunder.blogspot.com/2008/11/state-poll-accuracy-2008.html

This one focuses on the 2008 state polls

https://www.wizbangblog.com/2008/10/09/state-poll-accuracy/

and this one is about how to grade a poll

https://www.wizbangblog.com/2020/06/21/about-state-polls/


For writers besides me, I can show this analysis about the 2016 election

https://www.aapor.org/Education-Resources/Reports/An-Evaluation-of-2016-Election-Polls-in-the-U-S.aspx

and this one from Pew

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/why-2016-election-polls-missed-their-mark/

Frankly, an online search will produce a plethora of essays and posts, but it's important to discern between those which start with an opinion and just seek to defend it, and those which start with a blank page and build from evidence alone.

Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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in 2020 Presidential Election Polling by Rasmussen(the supposed right leaning pollster) Trump only led Once by 1 point? (Sept 2020)

Today's Rasmussen poll has Trump up 14 POINTS vs Joe Biden

---

Biden will not be the Democratic Party nominee .
too soon to tell


Republicans need to nominate Ron DeSantis .
He won't run if Trump does.

---

Trump's performance in the primaries this week (55-0) pretty well closes the door of viability on any other candidate on the GOP side.

The arguments against Trump are noted and not without merit. But there simply is no scenario where the GOP gets stronger with anyone else. He has built a unique coalition and any alternative candidate, including DeSantis will not be able to hold it together. Sure, a different candidate could build a different coalition, but that flouts the old adage about "bird in the hand."

---

Trump as the GOP nominee is the only chance Democrats have

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Exactly

Trump's base still cant accept that independents are generally fed up with his narcissistic routine .

---

again CURRENT polling doesnt suggest that.. its not my opinion.

Look at the polling of 2020 vs today. He lost like the pollsters who know what they are doing said he would and He would win the popular vote as well as the electoral vote based on current polling.

---

B 0 L L S H 1T


Name me someone not named DeSantis who is in better shape to win the White House.

---

G H W Bush in 1990

---

Pretty sure neither George or W is running in 2024.

Swing and a big miss there, pal.

---

Your devotion to 2 year out polls is .... Bollsh i t

---

2022 polls are as valid as we can get. I will use the 2024 polls when we get to 2024.

Pretending it's a bad idea to support the front-runner, whose policies were the most sound we have seen since Reagan, well that's Sam-level delusion.

---

I thought we were discussing using 2022 primary results to predict 2024 general election results. I don't think it is valid, you do. One of us is wrong. We'll see

---

We're discussing who, right now, is the leading choice to win the White House in 2024.

DeSantis says he is not running, and the polls right now say if that remains the case, Trump wins the GOP nomination and the White House,

I have always said it's a long way to 2024, but pretending Trump is not the front-runner is flat-out stupid.

---

Trump is leading in the polls for the Republican nomination in 2024. He appears to be ahead of Biden and or Harris. We don't know who the Dems will nominate, but I doubt it will be either of those two.

You have been critical of polls since 2016 polls missed Clinton-Trump race 1 week before the election. As you said, it is 2 years out and Trump is tested against Biden, a candidate who isn't going to be there.

---

he wasnt critical of all polls, just the bad ones.. the bad ones got it wrong in 2020 as well just didnt matter because the outcome was still a Biden win.. there are 2022 pollsters who have gotten within a 1/2 point of results in state races. These are the guys that were closest in 16,18, and 20.

RCP has some absolute trash polls in its average and are rated with highly but continually miss the mark.

---

Polls that agree with you are good polls?

---

polls that actually predict the results are good polls. Polls that predicted Biden winning by 11 but he actually won by .4 are not good polls even if they predict the win.

Hope you werent serious with your reply..

---

I was serious. Do you have a list of the good polls? I want to track them

---

It's been a while since I did the deep dive, but here is an analysis of the 2004 election

http://stolenthunder.blogspot.com/2004/09/poll-accuracy-national.html

and one for 2008

http://stolenthunder.blogspot.com/2008/11/state-poll-accuracy-2008.html

This one focuses on the 2008 state polls

https://www.wizbangblog.com/2008/10/09/state-poll-accuracy/

and this one is about how to grade a poll

https://www.wizbangblog.com/2020/06/21/about-state-polls/


For writers besides me, I can show this analysis about the 2016 election

https://www.aapor.org/Education-Resources/Reports/An-Evaluation-of-2016-Election-Polls-in-the-U-S.aspx

and this one from Pew

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/why-2016-election-polls-missed-their-mark/

Frankly, an online search will produce a plethora of essays and posts, but it's important to discern between those which start with an opinion and just seek to defend it, and those which start with a blank page and build from evidence alone.

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Thanks for the links. Which poll(s) are the good ones for 2024 presidential election?

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ATL Bear said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Kemp is destroying Perdue in Georgia polls for governor. So much so, despite having 4 candidates running for the Republican nomination, it appears it won't even require a runoff as Kemp is likely to get over 50%. Kemp also is leading Stacy Abrams by 10 points in general polls, while Perdue would be neck/neck with her.

Trump as the Presidential nominee is insanity. Trump is as elite as they come, so I'm not sure what this disappearance of the "elitist GOP" is about. He's so elite he wants people to eat out of his hand, and bend to his will because he said so, be damned the rest of you. I really don't understand this appeal other than he feels like a giant F-you to your opponent.

I see the call out, and rightly so, of Democratic "elites" as they coddle the poor and minority communities while being limousine liberals well outside of any of the plight they capitalize on. What do you think Trump is doing? The guy isn't a principled crusader. He's a power hungry narcissist. Way past time to move on, especially when you have a strong viable candidate coming up.

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the GOP has been seen in the past as the party of the rich/corporations. Trump brought in way more blue collar and minority than any other recent GOP president canidate(he lost the elite white vote and corporate money, that went to Biden)

Yall keep posting your feelings, i keep posting mostly third party info and get slammed for it. Facts dont care aboit your feelings. Just cause you think Trump is a power hungry narcissist doesnt make him the wrong choice in the last 2 elections. He will be the right choice in 2024 if he gets the GOP nomination. Only like 1 or 2 Dem choices that could beat Trump as of right now and they dont seem to have their party's endorsement.

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Sure. He got a dementia patient and political dolt elected, but this time it will be different. Just wait until the campaign starts and they pull out the way back machine of Trump with all the assemblage of Jan 6 guys, his convicted buddies, stolen election cries, riot videos, etc. Doesn't matter if it's warranted, it will be the story. Donald the dictator who tried to overthrow democracy. Donald the Putin friend. All of that becomes the message. Pulling him back into the mix is a terrible move.

If inflation and the economy are struggling, it should be a layup for the Republicans. Trump is the wild card that will put it in question.

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I am a Desantis in 24 guy.. I just see and pass along what the public is telling us.

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I'd love to vote for DeSantis in '24. I have zero problems, and I won't even need to hold my nose, voting for Trump.

If Republicans run another establishment type RINO again (like in '08 and '12) I'll be voting libertarian again.

Rawhide said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ATL Bear said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Kemp is destroying Perdue in Georgia polls for governor. So much so, despite having 4 candidates running for the Republican nomination, it appears it won't even require a runoff as Kemp is likely to get over 50%. Kemp also is leading Stacy Abrams by 10 points in general polls, while Perdue would be neck/neck with her.

Trump as the Presidential nominee is insanity. Trump is as elite as they come, so I'm not sure what this disappearance of the "elitist GOP" is about. He's so elite he wants people to eat out of his hand, and bend to his will because he said so, be damned the rest of you. I really don't understand this appeal other than he feels like a giant F-you to your opponent.

I see the call out, and rightly so, of Democratic "elites" as they coddle the poor and minority communities while being limousine liberals well outside of any of the plight they capitalize on. What do you think Trump is doing? The guy isn't a principled crusader. He's a power hungry narcissist. Way past time to move on, especially when you have a strong viable candidate coming up.

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the GOP has been seen in the past as the party of the rich/corporations. Trump brought in way more blue collar and minority than any other recent GOP president canidate(he lost the elite white vote and corporate money, that went to Biden)

Yall keep posting your feelings, i keep posting mostly third party info and get slammed for it. Facts dont care aboit your feelings. Just cause you think Trump is a power hungry narcissist doesnt make him the wrong choice in the last 2 elections. He will be the right choice in 2024 if he gets the GOP nomination. Only like 1 or 2 Dem choices that could beat Trump as of right now and they dont seem to have their party's endorsement.

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Sure. He got a dementia patient and political dolt elected, but this time it will be different. Just wait until the campaign starts and they pull out the way back machine of Trump with all the assemblage of Jan 6 guys, his convicted buddies, stolen election cries, riot videos, etc. Doesn't matter if it's warranted, it will be the story. Donald the dictator who tried to overthrow democracy. Donald the Putin friend. All of that becomes the message. Pulling him back into the mix is a terrible move.

If inflation and the economy are struggling, it should be a layup for the Republicans. Trump is the wild card that will put it in question.

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I am a Desantis in 24 guy.. I just see and pass along what the public is telling us.

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I'd love to vote for DeSantis in '24. I have zero problems, and I won't even need to hold my nose, voting for Trump.

If Republicans run another establishment type RINO again (like in '08 and '12) I'll be voting libertarian again.

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i dont think a RINO will get out of the primaries. It will be Trump or a Trump endorsed/MAGA canidate

4th and Inches said:

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Rawhide said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ATL Bear said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Kemp is destroying Perdue in Georgia polls for governor. So much so, despite having 4 candidates running for the Republican nomination, it appears it won't even require a runoff as Kemp is likely to get over 50%. Kemp also is leading Stacy Abrams by 10 points in general polls, while Perdue would be neck/neck with her.

Trump as the Presidential nominee is insanity. Trump is as elite as they come, so I'm not sure what this disappearance of the "elitist GOP" is about. He's so elite he wants people to eat out of his hand, and bend to his will because he said so, be damned the rest of you. I really don't understand this appeal other than he feels like a giant F-you to your opponent.

I see the call out, and rightly so, of Democratic "elites" as they coddle the poor and minority communities while being limousine liberals well outside of any of the plight they capitalize on. What do you think Trump is doing? The guy isn't a principled crusader. He's a power hungry narcissist. Way past time to move on, especially when you have a strong viable candidate coming up.

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the GOP has been seen in the past as the party of the rich/corporations. Trump brought in way more blue collar and minority than any other recent GOP president canidate(he lost the elite white vote and corporate money, that went to Biden)

Yall keep posting your feelings, i keep posting mostly third party info and get slammed for it. Facts dont care aboit your feelings. Just cause you think Trump is a power hungry narcissist doesnt make him the wrong choice in the last 2 elections. He will be the right choice in 2024 if he gets the GOP nomination. Only like 1 or 2 Dem choices that could beat Trump as of right now and they dont seem to have their party's endorsement.

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Sure. He got a dementia patient and political dolt elected, but this time it will be different. Just wait until the campaign starts and they pull out the way back machine of Trump with all the assemblage of Jan 6 guys, his convicted buddies, stolen election cries, riot videos, etc. Doesn't matter if it's warranted, it will be the story. Donald the dictator who tried to overthrow democracy. Donald the Putin friend. All of that becomes the message. Pulling him back into the mix is a terrible move.

If inflation and the economy are struggling, it should be a layup for the Republicans. Trump is the wild card that will put it in question.

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I am a Desantis in 24 guy.. I just see and pass along what the public is telling us.

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I'd love to vote for DeSantis in '24. I have zero problems, and I won't even need to hold my nose, voting for Trump.

If Republicans run another establishment type RINO again (like in '08 and '12) I'll be voting libertarian again.

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i dont think a RINO will get out of the primaries. It will be Trump or a Trump endorsed/MAGA canidate

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To repeat, Do you have a list of the good polls? I want to track them

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Kemp is destroying Perdue in Georgia polls for governor. So much so, despite having 4 candidates running for the Republican nomination, it appears it won't even require a runoff as Kemp is likely to get over 50%. Kemp also is leading Stacy Abrams by 10 points in general polls, while Perdue would be neck/neck with her.

Trump as the Presidential nominee is insanity. Trump is as elite as they come, so I'm not sure what this disappearance of the "elitist GOP" is about. He's so elite he wants people to eat out of his hand, and bend to his will because he said so, be damned the rest of you. I really don't understand this appeal other than he feels like a giant F-you to your opponent.

I see the call out, and rightly so, of Democratic "elites" as they coddle the poor and minority communities while being limousine liberals well outside of any of the plight they capitalize on. What do you think Trump is doing? The guy isn't a principled crusader. He's a power hungry narcissist. Way past time to move on, especially when you have a strong viable candidate coming up.

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the GOP has been seen in the past as the party of the rich/corporations. Trump brought in way more blue collar and minority than any other recent GOP president canidate(he lost the elite white vote and corporate money, that went to Biden)

Yall keep posting your feelings, i keep posting mostly third party info and get slammed for it. Facts dont care aboit your feelings. Just cause you think Trump is a power hungry narcissist doesnt make him the wrong choice in the last 2 elections. He will be the right choice in 2024 if he gets the GOP nomination. Only like 1 or 2 Dem choices that could beat Trump as of right now and they dont seem to have their party's endorsement.

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Sure. He got a dementia patient and political dolt elected, but this time it will be different. Just wait until the campaign starts and they pull out the way back machine of Trump with all the assemblage of Jan 6 guys, his convicted buddies, stolen election cries, riot videos, etc. Doesn't matter if it's warranted, it will be the story. Donald the dictator who tried to overthrow democracy. Donald the Putin friend. All of that becomes the message. Pulling him back into the mix is a terrible move.

If inflation and the economy are struggling, it should be a layup for the Republicans. Trump is the wild card that will put it in question.

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I am a Desantis in 24 guy.. I just see and pass along what the public is telling us.

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I'd love to vote for DeSantis in '24. I have zero problems, and I won't even need to hold my nose, voting for Trump.

If Republicans run another establishment type RINO again (like in '08 and '12) I'll be voting libertarian again.

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i dont think a RINO will get out of the primaries. It will be Trump or a Trump endorsed/MAGA canidate

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To repeat, Do you have a list of the good polls? I want to track them

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The Investor's Business Daily/TIPP, The Hill/HarrisX, and Rassmussen polls are decent, Big Data Poll and trafalgar group do a pretty fair job.

Look at this one.. considered a A level pollster but was wildy wrong in 2020
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/quinnipiac-university/

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4th and Inches said:

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Rawhide said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ATL Bear said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Kemp is destroying Perdue in Georgia polls for governor. So much so, despite having 4 candidates running for the Republican nomination, it appears it won't even require a runoff as Kemp is likely to get over 50%. Kemp also is leading Stacy Abrams by 10 points in general polls, while Perdue would be neck/neck with her.

Trump as the Presidential nominee is insanity. Trump is as elite as they come, so I'm not sure what this disappearance of the "elitist GOP" is about. He's so elite he wants people to eat out of his hand, and bend to his will because he said so, be damned the rest of you. I really don't understand this appeal other than he feels like a giant F-you to your opponent.

I see the call out, and rightly so, of Democratic "elites" as they coddle the poor and minority communities while being limousine liberals well outside of any of the plight they capitalize on. What do you think Trump is doing? The guy isn't a principled crusader. He's a power hungry narcissist. Way past time to move on, especially when you have a strong viable candidate coming up.

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the GOP has been seen in the past as the party of the rich/corporations. Trump brought in way more blue collar and minority than any other recent GOP president canidate(he lost the elite white vote and corporate money, that went to Biden)

Yall keep posting your feelings, i keep posting mostly third party info and get slammed for it. Facts dont care aboit your feelings. Just cause you think Trump is a power hungry narcissist doesnt make him the wrong choice in the last 2 elections. He will be the right choice in 2024 if he gets the GOP nomination. Only like 1 or 2 Dem choices that could beat Trump as of right now and they dont seem to have their party's endorsement.

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Sure. He got a dementia patient and political dolt elected, but this time it will be different. Just wait until the campaign starts and they pull out the way back machine of Trump with all the assemblage of Jan 6 guys, his convicted buddies, stolen election cries, riot videos, etc. Doesn't matter if it's warranted, it will be the story. Donald the dictator who tried to overthrow democracy. Donald the Putin friend. All of that becomes the message. Pulling him back into the mix is a terrible move.

If inflation and the economy are struggling, it should be a layup for the Republicans. Trump is the wild card that will put it in question.

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I am a Desantis in 24 guy.. I just see and pass along what the public is telling us.

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I'd love to vote for DeSantis in '24. I have zero problems, and I won't even need to hold my nose, voting for Trump.

If Republicans run another establishment type RINO again (like in '08 and '12) I'll be voting libertarian again.

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i dont think a RINO will get out of the primaries. It will be Trump or a Trump endorsed/MAGA canidate

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To repeat, Do you have a list of the good polls? I want to track them

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The Investor's Business Daily/TIPP, The Hill/HarrisX, and Rassmussen polls are decent, Big Data Poll and trafalgar group do a pretty fair job.

Look at this one.. considered a A level pollster but was wildy wrong in 2020
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/quinnipiac-university/

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Thanks

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Oldbear83 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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in 2020 Presidential Election Polling by Rasmussen(the supposed right leaning pollster) Trump only led Once by 1 point? (Sept 2020)

Today's Rasmussen poll has Trump up 14 POINTS vs Joe Biden

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Biden will not be the Democratic Party nominee .
too soon to tell


Republicans need to nominate Ron DeSantis .
He won't run if Trump does.

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Trump's performance in the primaries this week (55-0) pretty well closes the door of viability on any other candidate on the GOP side.

The arguments against Trump are noted and not without merit. But there simply is no scenario where the GOP gets stronger with anyone else. He has built a unique coalition and any alternative candidate, including DeSantis will not be able to hold it together. Sure, a different candidate could build a different coalition, but that flouts the old adage about "bird in the hand."

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Trump as the GOP nominee is the only chance Democrats have

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Exactly

Trump's base still cant accept that independents are generally fed up with his narcissistic routine .

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again CURRENT polling doesnt suggest that.. its not my opinion.

Look at the polling of 2020 vs today. He lost like the pollsters who know what they are doing said he would and He would win the popular vote as well as the electoral vote based on current polling.

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B 0 L L S H 1T


Name me someone not named DeSantis who is in better shape to win the White House.

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I think you're confused, I'm stating that Trump has the best shot at it based on current polling. We are not in disagreement. Trump leads all, Desantis is second.

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Desantis is far more electable in the general election than Trump.

Not remotely a close call.

Don't confuse name recognition early in a campaign with electability .

Trump has FAR too much baggage ....and the consistent ability to shoot himself right in the mouth .

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Polling does not show that. Trump is winning independents and running 'minimum 4 pts ahead of DeSantis.

The argument for DeSantis is that he would be a better POTUS.
The argument that he is the better candidate is demonstrably not so.

nm

whiterock said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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in 2020 Presidential Election Polling by Rasmussen(the supposed right leaning pollster) Trump only led Once by 1 point? (Sept 2020)

Today's Rasmussen poll has Trump up 14 POINTS vs Joe Biden

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Biden will not be the Democratic Party nominee .
too soon to tell


Republicans need to nominate Ron DeSantis .
He won't run if Trump does.

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Trump's performance in the primaries this week (55-0) pretty well closes the door of viability on any other candidate on the GOP side.

The arguments against Trump are noted and not without merit. But there simply is no scenario where the GOP gets stronger with anyone else. He has built a unique coalition and any alternative candidate, including DeSantis will not be able to hold it together. Sure, a different candidate could build a different coalition, but that flouts the old adage about "bird in the hand."

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Trump as the GOP nominee is the only chance Democrats have

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Exactly

Trump's base still cant accept that independents are generally fed up with his narcissistic routine .

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again CURRENT polling doesnt suggest that.. its not my opinion.

Look at the polling of 2020 vs today. He lost like the pollsters who know what they are doing said he would and He would win the popular vote as well as the electoral vote based on current polling.

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B 0 L L S H 1T


Name me someone not named DeSantis who is in better shape to win the White House.

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I think you're confused, I'm stating that Trump has the best shot at it based on current polling. We are not in disagreement. Trump leads all, Desantis is second.

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Desantis is far more electable in the general election than Trump.

Not remotely a close call.

Don't confuse name recognition early in a campaign with electability .

Trump has FAR too much baggage ....and the consistent ability to shoot himself right in the mouth .

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Polling does not show that. Trump is winning independents and running 'minimum 4 pts ahead of DeSantis.

The argument for DeSantis is that he would be a better POTUS.
The argument that he is the better candidate is demonstrably not so.

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Given enough time......Trump will inevitably make an ass of himself on the campaign trail.

Highly unlikely DeSantis world do anything remotely as self destructive.

Canada2017 said:

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whiterock said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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in 2020 Presidential Election Polling by Rasmussen(the supposed right leaning pollster) Trump only led Once by 1 point? (Sept 2020)

Today's Rasmussen poll has Trump up 14 POINTS vs Joe Biden

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Biden will not be the Democratic Party nominee .
too soon to tell


Republicans need to nominate Ron DeSantis .
He won't run if Trump does.

---

Trump's performance in the primaries this week (55-0) pretty well closes the door of viability on any other candidate on the GOP side.

The arguments against Trump are noted and not without merit. But there simply is no scenario where the GOP gets stronger with anyone else. He has built a unique coalition and any alternative candidate, including DeSantis will not be able to hold it together. Sure, a different candidate could build a different coalition, but that flouts the old adage about "bird in the hand."

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Trump as the GOP nominee is the only chance Democrats have

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Exactly

Trump's base still cant accept that independents are generally fed up with his narcissistic routine .

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again CURRENT polling doesnt suggest that.. its not my opinion.

Look at the polling of 2020 vs today. He lost like the pollsters who know what they are doing said he would and He would win the popular vote as well as the electoral vote based on current polling.

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B 0 L L S H 1T


Name me someone not named DeSantis who is in better shape to win the White House.

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I think you're confused, I'm stating that Trump has the best shot at it based on current polling. We are not in disagreement. Trump leads all, Desantis is second.

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Desantis is far more electable in the general election than Trump.

Not remotely a close call.

Don't confuse name recognition early in a campaign with electability .

Trump has FAR too much baggage ....and the consistent ability to shoot himself right in the mouth .

---

Polling does not show that. Trump is winning independents and running 'minimum 4 pts ahead of DeSantis.

The argument for DeSantis is that he would be a better POTUS.
The argument that he is the better candidate is demonstrably not so.

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Given enough time......Trump will inevitably make an ass of himself on the campaign trail.

Highly unlikely DeSantis world do anything remotely as self destructive.

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And if DeSantis does not run for President?

Oldbear83 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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whiterock said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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in 2020 Presidential Election Polling by Rasmussen(the supposed right leaning pollster) Trump only led Once by 1 point? (Sept 2020)

Today's Rasmussen poll has Trump up 14 POINTS vs Joe Biden

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Biden will not be the Democratic Party nominee .
too soon to tell


Republicans need to nominate Ron DeSantis .
He won't run if Trump does.

---

Trump's performance in the primaries this week (55-0) pretty well closes the door of viability on any other candidate on the GOP side.

The arguments against Trump are noted and not without merit. But there simply is no scenario where the GOP gets stronger with anyone else. He has built a unique coalition and any alternative candidate, including DeSantis will not be able to hold it together. Sure, a different candidate could build a different coalition, but that flouts the old adage about "bird in the hand."

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Trump as the GOP nominee is the only chance Democrats have

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Exactly

Trump's base still cant accept that independents are generally fed up with his narcissistic routine .

---

again CURRENT polling doesnt suggest that.. its not my opinion.

Look at the polling of 2020 vs today. He lost like the pollsters who know what they are doing said he would and He would win the popular vote as well as the electoral vote based on current polling.

---

B 0 L L S H 1T


Name me someone not named DeSantis who is in better shape to win the White House.

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I think you're confused, I'm stating that Trump has the best shot at it based on current polling. We are not in disagreement. Trump leads all, Desantis is second.

---

Desantis is far more electable in the general election than Trump.

Not remotely a close call.

Don't confuse name recognition early in a campaign with electability .

Trump has FAR too much baggage ....and the consistent ability to shoot himself right in the mouth .

---

Polling does not show that. Trump is winning independents and running 'minimum 4 pts ahead of DeSantis.

The argument for DeSantis is that he would be a better POTUS.
The argument that he is the better candidate is demonstrably not so.

---

Given enough time......Trump will inevitably make an ass of himself on the campaign trail.

Highly unlikely DeSantis world do anything remotely as self destructive.

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And if DeSantis does not run for President?

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I give. What?

Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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whiterock said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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in 2020 Presidential Election Polling by Rasmussen(the supposed right leaning pollster) Trump only led Once by 1 point? (Sept 2020)

Today's Rasmussen poll has Trump up 14 POINTS vs Joe Biden

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Biden will not be the Democratic Party nominee .
too soon to tell


Republicans need to nominate Ron DeSantis .
He won't run if Trump does.

---

Trump's performance in the primaries this week (55-0) pretty well closes the door of viability on any other candidate on the GOP side.

The arguments against Trump are noted and not without merit. But there simply is no scenario where the GOP gets stronger with anyone else. He has built a unique coalition and any alternative candidate, including DeSantis will not be able to hold it together. Sure, a different candidate could build a different coalition, but that flouts the old adage about "bird in the hand."

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Trump as the GOP nominee is the only chance Democrats have

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Exactly

Trump's base still cant accept that independents are generally fed up with his narcissistic routine .

---

again CURRENT polling doesnt suggest that.. its not my opinion.

Look at the polling of 2020 vs today. He lost like the pollsters who know what they are doing said he would and He would win the popular vote as well as the electoral vote based on current polling.

---

B 0 L L S H 1T


Name me someone not named DeSantis who is in better shape to win the White House.

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I think you're confused, I'm stating that Trump has the best shot at it based on current polling. We are not in disagreement. Trump leads all, Desantis is second.

---

Desantis is far more electable in the general election than Trump.

Not remotely a close call.

Don't confuse name recognition early in a campaign with electability .

Trump has FAR too much baggage ....and the consistent ability to shoot himself right in the mouth .

---

Polling does not show that. Trump is winning independents and running 'minimum 4 pts ahead of DeSantis.

The argument for DeSantis is that he would be a better POTUS.
The argument that he is the better candidate is demonstrably not so.

---

Given enough time......Trump will inevitably make an ass of himself on the campaign trail.

Highly unlikely DeSantis world do anything remotely as self destructive.

---

And if DeSantis does not run for President?

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I give. What?

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If Trump wins the nomination, who do you vote for?

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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whiterock said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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in 2020 Presidential Election Polling by Rasmussen(the supposed right leaning pollster) Trump only led Once by 1 point? (Sept 2020)

Today's Rasmussen poll has Trump up 14 POINTS vs Joe Biden

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Biden will not be the Democratic Party nominee .
too soon to tell


Republicans need to nominate Ron DeSantis .
He won't run if Trump does.

---

Trump's performance in the primaries this week (55-0) pretty well closes the door of viability on any other candidate on the GOP side.

The arguments against Trump are noted and not without merit. But there simply is no scenario where the GOP gets stronger with anyone else. He has built a unique coalition and any alternative candidate, including DeSantis will not be able to hold it together. Sure, a different candidate could build a different coalition, but that flouts the old adage about "bird in the hand."

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Trump as the GOP nominee is the only chance Democrats have

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Exactly

Trump's base still cant accept that independents are generally fed up with his narcissistic routine .

---

again CURRENT polling doesnt suggest that.. its not my opinion.

Look at the polling of 2020 vs today. He lost like the pollsters who know what they are doing said he would and He would win the popular vote as well as the electoral vote based on current polling.

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B 0 L L S H 1T


Name me someone not named DeSantis who is in better shape to win the White House.

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I think you're confused, I'm stating that Trump has the best shot at it based on current polling. We are not in disagreement. Trump leads all, Desantis is second.

---

Desantis is far more electable in the general election than Trump.

Not remotely a close call.

Don't confuse name recognition early in a campaign with electability .

Trump has FAR too much baggage ....and the consistent ability to shoot himself right in the mouth .

---

Polling does not show that. Trump is winning independents and running 'minimum 4 pts ahead of DeSantis.

The argument for DeSantis is that he would be a better POTUS.
The argument that he is the better candidate is demonstrably not so.

---

Given enough time......Trump will inevitably make an ass of himself on the campaign trail.

Highly unlikely DeSantis world do anything remotely as self destructive.

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And if DeSantis does not run for President?

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I give. What?

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If Trump wins the nomination, who do you vote for?

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Snoopy

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Not remotely a close call.

Don't confuse name recognition early in a campaign with electability .

Trump has FAR too much baggage ....and the consistent ability to shoot himself right in the mouth .

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Polling does not show that. Trump is winning independents and running 'minimum 4 pts ahead of DeSantis.

The argument for DeSantis is that he would be a better POTUS.
The argument that he is the better candidate is demonstrably not so.

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Given enough time......Trump will inevitably make an ass of himself on the campaign trail.

Highly unlikely DeSantis world do anything remotely as self destructive.

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And if DeSantis does not run for President?

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I give. What?

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If Trump wins the nomination, who do you vote for?

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Snoopy

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So while I am downstairs in the living room in a machete fight with marxist, you will stand on the stairwell and quote Marquess de Queensbury rules?

Thanks a lot. I'll remember that the next time you need help on something that matters a lot to you.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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whiterock said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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in 2020 Presidential Election Polling by Rasmussen(the supposed right leaning pollster) Trump only led Once by 1 point? (Sept 2020)

Today's Rasmussen poll has Trump up 14 POINTS vs Joe Biden

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Biden will not be the Democratic Party nominee .
too soon to tell


Republicans need to nominate Ron DeSantis .
He won't run if Trump does.

---

Trump's performance in the primaries this week (55-0) pretty well closes the door of viability on any other candidate on the GOP side.

The arguments against Trump are noted and not without merit. But there simply is no scenario where the GOP gets stronger with anyone else. He has built a unique coalition and any alternative candidate, including DeSantis will not be able to hold it together. Sure, a different candidate could build a different coalition, but that flouts the old adage about "bird in the hand."

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Trump as the GOP nominee is the only chance Democrats have

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Exactly

Trump's base still cant accept that independents are generally fed up with his narcissistic routine .

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again CURRENT polling doesnt suggest that.. its not my opinion.

Look at the polling of 2020 vs today. He lost like the pollsters who know what they are doing said he would and He would win the popular vote as well as the electoral vote based on current polling.

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B 0 L L S H 1T


Name me someone not named DeSantis who is in better shape to win the White House.

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I think you're confused, I'm stating that Trump has the best shot at it based on current polling. We are not in disagreement. Trump leads all, Desantis is second.

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Desantis is far more electable in the general election than Trump.

Not remotely a close call.

Don't confuse name recognition early in a campaign with electability .

Trump has FAR too much baggage ....and the consistent ability to shoot himself right in the mouth .

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Polling does not show that. Trump is winning independents and running 'minimum 4 pts ahead of DeSantis.

The argument for DeSantis is that he would be a better POTUS.
The argument that he is the better candidate is demonstrably not so.

---

Given enough time......Trump will inevitably make an ass of himself on the campaign trail.

Highly unlikely DeSantis world do anything remotely as self destructive.

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And if DeSantis does not run for President?

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I give. What?

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If Trump wins the nomination, who do you vote for?

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Trump isn't running

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Not remotely a close call.

Don't confuse name recognition early in a campaign with electability .

Trump has FAR too much baggage ....and the consistent ability to shoot himself right in the mouth .

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Polling does not show that. Trump is winning independents and running 'minimum 4 pts ahead of DeSantis.

The argument for DeSantis is that he would be a better POTUS.
The argument that he is the better candidate is demonstrably not so.

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Given enough time......Trump will inevitably make an ass of himself on the campaign trail.

Highly unlikely DeSantis world do anything remotely as self destructive.

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And if DeSantis does not run for President?

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I give. What?

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If Trump wins the nomination, who do you vote for?

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Snoopy

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So while I am downstairs in the living room in a machete fight with marxist, you will stand on the stairwell and quote Marquess de Queensbury rules?

Thanks a lot. I'll remember that the next time you need help on something that matters a lot to you.

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Not voting for Trump again ….period . The thought of four more years of his unending narcissism is unacceptable to me.

Trump only appears viable to those unwilling or unable to consider better qualified Republicans.

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Not remotely a close call.

Don't confuse name recognition early in a campaign with electability .

Trump has FAR too much baggage ....and the consistent ability to shoot himself right in the mouth .

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Polling does not show that. Trump is winning independents and running 'minimum 4 pts ahead of DeSantis.

The argument for DeSantis is that he would be a better POTUS.
The argument that he is the better candidate is demonstrably not so.

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Given enough time......Trump will inevitably make an ass of himself on the campaign trail.

Highly unlikely DeSantis world do anything remotely as self destructive.

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And if DeSantis does not run for President?

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I give. What?

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If Trump wins the nomination, who do you vote for?

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Snoopy

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So while I am downstairs in the living room in a machete fight with marxist, you will stand on the stairwell and quote Marquess de Queensbury rules?

Thanks a lot. I'll remember that the next time you need help on something that matters a lot to you.

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Not voting for Trump again ….period . The thought of four more years of his unending narcissism is unacceptable to me.

Trump only appears viable to those unwilling or unable to consider better qualified Republicans.

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so you are willing to accept 4 more years of whatever this current bullshi.. is?

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Not remotely a close call.

Don't confuse name recognition early in a campaign with electability .

Trump has FAR too much baggage ....and the consistent ability to shoot himself right in the mouth .

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Polling does not show that. Trump is winning independents and running 'minimum 4 pts ahead of DeSantis.

The argument for DeSantis is that he would be a better POTUS.
The argument that he is the better candidate is demonstrably not so.

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Given enough time......Trump will inevitably make an ass of himself on the campaign trail.

Highly unlikely DeSantis world do anything remotely as self destructive.

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And if DeSantis does not run for President?

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I give. What?

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If Trump wins the nomination, who do you vote for?

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Snoopy

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So while I am downstairs in the living room in a machete fight with marxist, you will stand on the stairwell and quote Marquess de Queensbury rules?

Thanks a lot. I'll remember that the next time you need help on something that matters a lot to you.

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Not voting for Trump again ….period . The thought of four more years of his unending narcissism is unacceptable to me.

Trump only appears viable to those unwilling or unable to consider better qualified Republicans.

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so you are willing to accept 4 more years of whatever this current bullshi.. is?

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Why settle for Trump?