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Not remotely a close call.

Don't confuse name recognition early in a campaign with electability .

Trump has FAR too much baggage ....and the consistent ability to shoot himself right in the mouth .

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Polling does not show that. Trump is winning independents and running 'minimum 4 pts ahead of DeSantis.

The argument for DeSantis is that he would be a better POTUS.
The argument that he is the better candidate is demonstrably not so.

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Given enough time......Trump will inevitably make an ass of himself on the campaign trail.

Highly unlikely DeSantis world do anything remotely as self destructive.

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And if DeSantis does not run for President?

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I give. What?

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If Trump wins the nomination, who do you vote for?

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Snoopy

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So while I am downstairs in the living room in a machete fight with marxist, you will stand on the stairwell and quote Marquess de Queensbury rules?

Thanks a lot. I'll remember that the next time you need help on something that matters a lot to you.

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Not voting for Trump again ….period . The thought of four more years of his unending narcissism is unacceptable to me.

Trump only appears viable to those unwilling or unable to consider better qualified Republicans.

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so you are willing to accept 4 more years of whatever this current bullshi.. is?

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Yep

If the Republicans are determined to lose with Trump despite the obvious realities involved....its not my responsibility .

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Not remotely a close call.

Don't confuse name recognition early in a campaign with electability .

Trump has FAR too much baggage ....and the consistent ability to shoot himself right in the mouth .

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Polling does not show that. Trump is winning independents and running 'minimum 4 pts ahead of DeSantis.

The argument for DeSantis is that he would be a better POTUS.
The argument that he is the better candidate is demonstrably not so.

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Given enough time......Trump will inevitably make an ass of himself on the campaign trail.

Highly unlikely DeSantis world do anything remotely as self destructive.

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And if DeSantis does not run for President?

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I give. What?

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If Trump wins the nomination, who do you vote for?

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Snoopy

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So while I am downstairs in the living room in a machete fight with marxist, you will stand on the stairwell and quote Marquess de Queensbury rules?

Thanks a lot. I'll remember that the next time you need help on something that matters a lot to you.

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Not voting for Trump again ….period . The thought of four more years of his unending narcissism is unacceptable to me.

Trump only appears viable to those unwilling or unable to consider better qualified Republicans.

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so you are willing to accept 4 more years of whatever this current bullshi.. is?

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Why settle for Trump?

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make your choice in the primary, BUT if he gets the GOP nomination and the Dems put up another craptastic canidate like the last 2, I will drive a van and take people to vote Trump in the general election

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Desantis is far more electable in the general election than Trump.

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Not remotely a close call.

Don't confuse name recognition early in a campaign with electability .

Trump has FAR too much baggage ....and the consistent ability to shoot himself right in the mouth .

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Polling does not show that. Trump is winning independents and running 'minimum 4 pts ahead of DeSantis.

The argument for DeSantis is that he would be a better POTUS.
The argument that he is the better candidate is demonstrably not so.

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Given enough time......Trump will inevitably make an ass of himself on the campaign trail.

Highly unlikely DeSantis world do anything remotely as self destructive.

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And if DeSantis does not run for President?

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I give. What?

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If Trump wins the nomination, who do you vote for?

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Snoopy

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So while I am downstairs in the living room in a machete fight with marxist, you will stand on the stairwell and quote Marquess de Queensbury rules?

Thanks a lot. I'll remember that the next time you need help on something that matters a lot to you.

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Not voting for Trump again ….period . The thought of four more years of his unending narcissism is unacceptable to me.

Trump only appears viable to those unwilling or unable to consider better qualified Republicans.

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so you are willing to accept 4 more years of whatever this current bullshi.. is?

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Yep

If the Republicans are determined to lose with Trump despite the obvious realities involved....its not my responsibility .

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and just like that.. the progressive movement grows stronger because of your feelings.

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Not remotely a close call.

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Trump has FAR too much baggage ....and the consistent ability to shoot himself right in the mouth .

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Polling does not show that. Trump is winning independents and running 'minimum 4 pts ahead of DeSantis.

The argument for DeSantis is that he would be a better POTUS.
The argument that he is the better candidate is demonstrably not so.

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Given enough time......Trump will inevitably make an ass of himself on the campaign trail.

Highly unlikely DeSantis world do anything remotely as self destructive.

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And if DeSantis does not run for President?

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I give. What?

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If Trump wins the nomination, who do you vote for?

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Snoopy

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So while I am downstairs in the living room in a machete fight with marxist, you will stand on the stairwell and quote Marquess de Queensbury rules?

Thanks a lot. I'll remember that the next time you need help on something that matters a lot to you.

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Not voting for Trump again ….period . The thought of four more years of his unending narcissism is unacceptable to me.

Trump only appears viable to those unwilling or unable to consider better qualified Republicans.

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so you are willing to accept 4 more years of whatever this current bullshi.. is?

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Yep

If the Republicans are determined to lose with Trump despite the obvious realities involved....its not my responsibility .

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and just like that.. the progressive movement grows stronger because of your feelings.

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Trump can not win.....period. The only reason some people want to live and die with the guy is they don't have the ability or brain power to exam other choices.

Dems are not going to nominate Biden and Trump will look like an old fool against the eventual Dem nominee .

It was so weird the last election around here . There were scores of guys claiming Trump was going to win...against all data and against all common sense.

And some of them are spouting the exact same losing formula now.

Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

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Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

The ONLY thing that makes Trump bad is his mean attitude? That roaring economy that only the Fauci virus could stop, respect(or fear, either way) from world leaders that had historic Middle East peace deals signed that would have given a democrat president multiple Nobel peace prizes, Putin and Un in check, a border getting more and more secure every day...but yeah, we should base our choice of President based on the comfort levels afforded to us by democrats during his presidency.

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

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Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

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with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

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Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

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with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

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As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

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Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

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with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

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As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .

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Looks like he is saying it was that attitude in 2020 that hurt us, not that YOU had that attitude then. He is right. Too many people voted third party or dem or not at all, (all the same thing) because they were tired of how the democrats were behaving over his presidency. It's lunacy to reward democrats for their lies and attacks against Trump. With an unbiased media Trump would have been beloved.

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

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Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

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with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

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As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .

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i am not, you clearly stated you wont this time because of your feelings so that makes you a new addition to those last time that voted feelings over policy. It was people like you are now that cost him the 2020 election.

I never mentioned your prior voting record.

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

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Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

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with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

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As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .

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i am not, you clearly stated you wont this time because of your feelings so that makes you a new addition to those last time that voted feelings over policy. It was people like you are now that cost him the 2020 election.

I never mentioned your prior voting record.

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All I can tell you...is if Trump is the nominee ........the Republicans.....us conservatives ....and the country in general are going to lose.

Its as obvious as a freight train going down the tracks.

Women will decide the next election.....and they are not going to vote for Trump.

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

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Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

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with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

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As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .

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i am not, you clearly stated you wont this time because of your feelings so that makes you a new addition to those last time that voted feelings over policy. It was people like you are now that cost him the 2020 election.

I never mentioned your prior voting record.

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All I can tell you...is if Trump is the nominee ........the Republicans.....us conservatives ....and the country in general are going to lose.

Its as obvious as a freight train going down the tracks.

Women will decide the next election.....and they are not going to vote for Trump.

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I'm just saying, it's seems a bit sexist to hold women's intellects in such low regard.

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

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Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

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with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

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As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .

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i am not, you clearly stated you wont this time because of your feelings so that makes you a new addition to those last time that voted feelings over policy. It was people like you are now that cost him the 2020 election.

I never mentioned your prior voting record.

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All I can tell you...is if Trump is the nominee ........the Republicans.....us conservatives ....and the country in general are going to lose.

Its as obvious as a freight train going down the tracks.

Women will decide the next election.....and they are not going to vote for Trump.

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I'm just saying, it's seems a bit sexist to hold women's intellects in such low regard.

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Whatever......but the realities remain the same. And this Roe versus Wade stuff just upped the ante .

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

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Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

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with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

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As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .

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i am not, you clearly stated you wont this time because of your feelings so that makes you a new addition to those last time that voted feelings over policy. It was people like you are now that cost him the 2020 election.

I never mentioned your prior voting record.

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All I can tell you...is if Trump is the nominee ........the Republicans.....us conservatives ....and the country in general are going to lose.

Its as obvious as a freight train going down the tracks.

Women will decide the next election.....and they are not going to vote for Trump.

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I'm just saying, it's seems a bit sexist to hold women's intellects in such low regard.

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Whatever......but the realities remain the same. And this Roe versus Wade stuff just upped the ante .

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Imagine all the people who are pro-life who were also woken up by that leak. They are closer to the end of RvW than ever before. They will be at the polls, too.

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

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Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

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with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

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As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .

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i am not, you clearly stated you wont this time because of your feelings so that makes you a new addition to those last time that voted feelings over policy. It was people like you are now that cost him the 2020 election.

I never mentioned your prior voting record.

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All I can tell you...is if Trump is the nominee ........the Republicans.....us conservatives ....and the country in general are going to lose.

Its as obvious as a freight train going down the tracks.

Women will decide the next election.....and they are not going to vote for Trump.

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100% right.

But neither Trump nor Biden is running.

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

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Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

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with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

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As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .

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i am not, you clearly stated you wont this time because of your feelings so that makes you a new addition to those last time that voted feelings over policy. It was people like you are now that cost him the 2020 election.

I never mentioned your prior voting record.

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All I can tell you...is if Trump is the nominee ........the Republicans.....us conservatives ....and the country in general are going to lose.

Its as obvious as a freight train going down the tracks.

Women will decide the next election.....and they are not going to vote for Trump.

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I'm just saying, it's seems a bit sexist to hold women's intellects in such low regard.

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Whatever......but the realities remain the same. And this Roe versus Wade stuff just upped the ante .

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Imagine all the people who are pro-life who were also woken up by that leak. They are closer to the end of RvW than ever before. They will be at the polls, too.

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Even in our Catholic Church.......there are MANY parishioners who vote pro choice.......vote Democrat.

Drives Father Gregg crazy .

Too many people treat their church like just another extra curricular activity these days. They go through the motions at the time and then go about voting demons into power. As long as they do what the mainstream narrative says is acceptable they aren't worried about reality. They're safe from peer condemnation and that's all that matters to them. Because when you don't actually have faith, you only believe what is in front of you at the moment.

RIP Ashli Babbitt!

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in 2020 Presidential Election Polling by Rasmussen(the supposed right leaning pollster) Trump only led Once by 1 point? (Sept 2020)

Today's Rasmussen poll has Trump up 14 POINTS vs Joe Biden

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Biden will not be the Democratic Party nominee .
too soon to tell


Republicans need to nominate Ron DeSantis .
He won't run if Trump does.

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Trump's performance in the primaries this week (55-0) pretty well closes the door of viability on any other candidate on the GOP side.

The arguments against Trump are noted and not without merit. But there simply is no scenario where the GOP gets stronger with anyone else. He has built a unique coalition and any alternative candidate, including DeSantis will not be able to hold it together. Sure, a different candidate could build a different coalition, but that flouts the old adage about "bird in the hand."

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Trump's base still cant accept that independents are generally fed up with his narcissistic routine .

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again CURRENT polling doesnt suggest that.. its not my opinion.

Look at the polling of 2020 vs today. He lost like the pollsters who know what they are doing said he would and He would win the popular vote as well as the electoral vote based on current polling.

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Name me someone not named DeSantis who is in better shape to win the White House.

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I think you're confused, I'm stating that Trump has the best shot at it based on current polling. We are not in disagreement. Trump leads all, Desantis is second.

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Desantis is far more electable in the general election than Trump.

Not remotely a close call.

Don't confuse name recognition early in a campaign with electability .

Trump has FAR too much baggage ....and the consistent ability to shoot himself right in the mouth .

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Polling does not show that. Trump is winning independents and running 'minimum 4 pts ahead of DeSantis.

The argument for DeSantis is that he would be a better POTUS.
The argument that he is the better candidate is demonstrably not so.

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Given enough time......Trump will inevitably make an ass of himself on the campaign trail.

Highly unlikely DeSantis world do anything remotely as self destructive.

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And if DeSantis does not run for President?

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I give. What?

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If Trump wins the nomination, who do you vote for?

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Snoopy

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A vote for Snoopy, in this case, is a vote for Biden.

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Not remotely a close call.

Don't confuse name recognition early in a campaign with electability .

Trump has FAR too much baggage ....and the consistent ability to shoot himself right in the mouth .

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Polling does not show that. Trump is winning independents and running 'minimum 4 pts ahead of DeSantis.

The argument for DeSantis is that he would be a better POTUS.
The argument that he is the better candidate is demonstrably not so.

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Given enough time......Trump will inevitably make an ass of himself on the campaign trail.

Highly unlikely DeSantis world do anything remotely as self destructive.

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And if DeSantis does not run for President?

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I give. What?

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If Trump wins the nomination, who do you vote for?

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Snoopy

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So while I am downstairs in the living room in a machete fight with marxist, you will stand on the stairwell and quote Marquess de Queensbury rules?

Thanks a lot. I'll remember that the next time you need help on something that matters a lot to you.

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Not voting for Trump again ….period . The thought of four more years of his unending narcissism is unacceptable to me.

Trump only appears viable to those unwilling or unable to consider better qualified Republicans.

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so you are willing to accept 4 more years of whatever this current bullshi.. is?

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Why settle for Trump?

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Settle for full employment, inflation at 2% or less, gas prices around $2 a gallon, no new foreign wars ...I think a lot of people would 'settle' for that.

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Not remotely a close call.

Don't confuse name recognition early in a campaign with electability .

Trump has FAR too much baggage ....and the consistent ability to shoot himself right in the mouth .

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Polling does not show that. Trump is winning independents and running 'minimum 4 pts ahead of DeSantis.

The argument for DeSantis is that he would be a better POTUS.
The argument that he is the better candidate is demonstrably not so.

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Given enough time......Trump will inevitably make an ass of himself on the campaign trail.

Highly unlikely DeSantis world do anything remotely as self destructive.

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And if DeSantis does not run for President?

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I give. What?

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If Trump wins the nomination, who do you vote for?

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Snoopy

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So while I am downstairs in the living room in a machete fight with marxist, you will stand on the stairwell and quote Marquess de Queensbury rules?

Thanks a lot. I'll remember that the next time you need help on something that matters a lot to you.

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If a commie and a nazi are fighting over your house, I'd recommend you not take sides. Unless you have a better idea you're going to lose the house either way.

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Not remotely a close call.

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Polling does not show that. Trump is winning independents and running 'minimum 4 pts ahead of DeSantis.

The argument for DeSantis is that he would be a better POTUS.
The argument that he is the better candidate is demonstrably not so.

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Given enough time......Trump will inevitably make an ass of himself on the campaign trail.

Highly unlikely DeSantis world do anything remotely as self destructive.

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And if DeSantis does not run for President?

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I give. What?

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If Trump wins the nomination, who do you vote for?

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Snoopy

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So while I am downstairs in the living room in a machete fight with marxist, you will stand on the stairwell and quote Marquess de Queensbury rules?

Thanks a lot. I'll remember that the next time you need help on something that matters a lot to you.

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Not voting for Trump again ….period . The thought of four more years of his unending narcissism is unacceptable to me.

Trump only appears viable to those unwilling or unable to consider better qualified Republicans.

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so you are willing to accept 4 more years of whatever this current bullshi.. is?

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Why settle for Trump?

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If Trump is on the ballot after the primaries. I'll vote for Trump. And I won't be settling.

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Too many people treat their church like just another extra curricular activity these days. They go through the motions at the time and then go about voting demons into power. As long as they do what the mainstream narrative says is acceptable they aren't worried about reality. They're safe from peer condemnation and that's all that matters to them. Because when you don't actually have faith, you only believe what is in front of you at the moment.

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Believing what's in front of them would be a big improvement for some folks here. But you do have a good point.

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Desantis is far more electable in the general election than Trump.

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Not remotely a close call.

Don't confuse name recognition early in a campaign with electability .

Trump has FAR too much baggage ....and the consistent ability to shoot himself right in the mouth .

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Polling does not show that. Trump is winning independents and running 'minimum 4 pts ahead of DeSantis.

The argument for DeSantis is that he would be a better POTUS.
The argument that he is the better candidate is demonstrably not so.

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Given enough time......Trump will inevitably make an ass of himself on the campaign trail.

Highly unlikely DeSantis world do anything remotely as self destructive.

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And if DeSantis does not run for President?

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I give. What?

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If Trump wins the nomination, who do you vote for?

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Snoopy

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So while I am downstairs in the living room in a machete fight with marxist, you will stand on the stairwell and quote Marquess de Queensbury rules?

Thanks a lot. I'll remember that the next time you need help on something that matters a lot to you.

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Not voting for Trump again ….period . The thought of four more years of his unending narcissism is unacceptable to me.

Trump only appears viable to those unwilling or unable to consider better qualified Republicans.

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so you are willing to accept 4 more years of whatever this current bullshi.. is?

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Why settle for Trump?

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make your choice in the primary, BUT if he gets the GOP nomination and the Dems put up another craptastic canidate like the last 2, I will drive a van and take people to vote Trump in the general election

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I'll pay for the gas

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

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Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

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with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

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As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .

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If he's on the general ballot are you going to vote for him?

Personally I'd rather have DeSantis. I'll vote for DeSantis in the primary if he runs.

If Trump ends up being the nominee, I won't hesitate to vote for him again.

A second Trump victory would be a transformational moment for the GOP. No reasonable, patriotic American would be able to support a party that made that mistake again. We'd officially become a party of lunatics.

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A second Trump victory would be a transformational moment for the GOP. No reasonable, patriotic American would be able to support a party that made that mistake again. We'd officially become a party of lunatics.

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the Dems have that already sewn up

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A second Trump victory would be a transformational moment for the GOP. No reasonable, patriotic American would be able to support a party that made that mistake again. We'd officially become a party of lunatics.

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Well, that's your opinion and one you have been very clear about.


The fact that it is neither true nor rational is also something a lot of us have recognized for a while.

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Oops!

Proud Boys leader admits plan to storm Capitol, will testify against others
Charles Donohoe pleaded guilty to conspiracy, acknowledging an attempt to stop congressional confirmation of the electoral college vote
A North Carolina man who was one of the leaders of the far-right Proud Boys as they assaulted the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, pleaded guilty Friday to two felony counts with a minimum sentence of nearly six years in prison, but agreed to cooperate against his co-defendants in hopes of getting a lighter sentence.

Court records filed Friday show he has already provided numerous insights into the group's plans and their intention to disrupt the congressional electoral vote confirmation.
Charles Donohoe, 34, of Kernersville, N.C., admitted to both organizing the pro-Trump attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers. Donohoe is the first charged among six of the Proud Boys' leaders, including longtime chairman Enrique Tarrio, to admit to both organizing an attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers.
Tarrio pleaded not guilty earlier this week to charges of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and six other felonies. He has been ordered held in jail until trial along with six other defendants.
Those other defendants include Donohoe, who has been jailed since March of last year. He pleaded guilty to conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and assaulting police officers.
In December 2020, according to court documents filed Friday, Tarrio appointed Donohue as one of the members of the "Ministry of Self Defense," a leadership group within the Proud Boys making preparations for Jan. 6.
In a newly filed statement of offense, prosecutors said that "Donohoe understood that the purpose of the rally in Washington, D.C., on January 6, 2021, was to stop the certification of the Electoral College vote." The "MOSD" leadership was broken into a three-person "marketing" council, to recruit more members, and an "operations" group. Donohoe was part of the marketing group, the statement of offense says, and it soon expanded to at least 65 members.
As early as Jan. 4, prosecutors said, "Donohoe was aware that members of MOSD leadership were discussing the possibility of storming the Capitol. Donohoe believed that storming the Capitol would achieve the group's goal of stopping the government from carrying out the transfer of presidential power. Donohoe understood that storming the Capitol would be illegal."
Donohoe hadn't planned to be in D.C. on Jan. 6, the statement of offense says. But after Tarrio was arrested on Jan. 4, 2021, for burning a Black Lives Matter banner stolen from a D.C. church, Donohoe decided to travel to Washington because he "believed that Tarrio's arrest could create a leadership void for the MOSD," according to the filing, which is also signed by Donohoe.
On the morning of Jan. 6, the Proud Boys marched away from the Ellipse before President Donald Trump began his speech, and did not return. Instead, they went to the Capitol shortly after 10 a.m., the statement of offense says, and Donohoe posted that his group numbered "200-300 PBs." Co-defendants Ethan Nordean and Joseph Biggs mustered the group, the statement says, and "Donohoe understood that Nordean and Biggs were searching for an opportunity to storm the Capitol."
By 1 p.m., the Proud Boys were being instructed in messages to "Push inside!" Donohoe reposted the message to other group leaders. Donohoe admitted throwing two water bottles at police trying to prevent the mob's advance. At 1:37 p.m., Donohoe took a picture of co-defendant Dominic Pezzola holding a riot shield that had been snatched from police.
Donohoe then found another Proud Boy who "initiated an altercation at the front of the crowd," the statement says. "Donohoe pushed forward to advance up the concrete stairs toward the Capitol. The crowd overwhelmed law enforcement who were attempting to stop their advance." About 140 police officers were injured during the onslaught, and five people died in the attack or immediate aftermath.
Donohoe is the second Proud Boy to agree to testify against his co-defendants. In January, Matthew Greene of Syracuse, N.Y., admitted coordinating with other New York-based members of the extremist group at the front of the Capitol mob and pleaded guilty to felony conspiracy, also hoping for a reduced sentence in exchange for his cooperation. As a result of their deals, no sentencing dates were set for Donohoe or Greene, pending the outcome of their testimony in both trials and grand jury hearings.

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Ok, prosecute him. History is littered with people that did stupid things.

Unless there is a connection with any elected why is it an issue? They should be prosecuted, period. Have not heard or seen a typing proving someone else in Wxecutive Brancj was involved

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A second Trump victory would be a transformational moment for the GOP. No reasonable, patriotic American would be able to support a party that made that mistake again. We'd officially become a party of lunatics.

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the Dems have that already sewn up

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Thus the phrase "a party" and not "the party." There's no monopoly on crazy.

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Sam Lowry said:

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A second Trump victory would be a transformational moment for the GOP. No reasonable, patriotic American would be able to support a party that made that mistake again. We'd officially become a party of lunatics.

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the Dems have that already sewn up

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Thus the phrase "a party" and not "the party." There's no monopoly on crazy.

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You got that right. Tbe Dems are like a Miranda Lambert song in real life!

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Sam Lowry said:

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A second Trump victory would be a transformational moment for the GOP. No reasonable, patriotic American would be able to support a party that made that mistake again. We'd officially become a party of lunatics.

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the Dems have that already sewn up

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Thus the phrase "a party" and not "the party." There's no monopoly on crazy.

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1 point awarded.. a bit semantics but valid

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

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Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

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with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

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As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .

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If he's on the general ballot are you going to vote for him?

Personally I'd rather have DeSantis. I'll vote for DeSantis in the primary if he runs.

If Trump ends up being the nominee, I won't hesitate to vote for him again.

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I will not vote for Trump a 3rd time.

Time Republicans showed some balls.

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

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Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

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with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

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As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .

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If he's on the general ballot are you going to vote for him?

Personally I'd rather have DeSantis. I'll vote for DeSantis in the primary if he runs.

If Trump ends up being the nominee, I won't hesitate to vote for him again.

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I will not vote for Trump a 3rd time.

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Nor I