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Timeline looks accurate and factual.

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If you are a delusional Trump hater who needs this to be true so Democrats can win in November.

Otherwise, it's bilge.

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Please explain inaccuracies

Surely a man our age can do better than throw out silly insults.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Timeline looks accurate and factual.

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If you are a delusional Trump hater who needs this to be true so Democrats can win in November.

Otherwise, it's bilge.

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Please explain inaccuracies

Surely a man our age can do better than throw out silly insults.

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Seriously? That request only makes sense if you have been in a coma for the past 2 years.

This is not exactly a new topic, bub.

Surely you can do better than pretend you don't remember everything said before now?

Or not. It seems the Trump haters just cannot bring themselves to accept anything that works against their malicious fictions.

But just the highlights, for the memory-impaired:

1. The activities at the Capitol started while Trump was still speaking to the main group of visitors
2. Trump emphasized the point of making a peaceful protest, not violent
3. There is absolutely no evidence of any kind showing Trump advocated or encouraged violence or illegal activity
4. Even the documented results of the cases handled up to now by the biased court in DC show that far and away the most serious offence was simple trespass, less than 1% of the protesters can legitimately be linked to any violent action, and even those fall into the got-angry-and acted-stupid category of offense, and again, there is no evidence any of those idiots were directly connected to the Trump Administration or had any specific direction from the President to be violent, notably in contrast to Schumer's and Waters' clear and direct incitement to violence

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You trust the system, how are you not opposed to people who want to radically change it?

I don't know how you can rationally trust our system or not want radical change with the massive amount of failures we've encountered as a nation for decades.

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I supported Trump because he seemed to want a return to traditional conservatism, as opposed to the neocon version of the last few decades. Some may consider that radical, but I don't really. I'm against the extreme right, anti-democratic agenda that Trump and his followers increasingly seem to support. There's no need to accept that kind of thing just because you want reform.

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Trump didn't cause J6. Period.

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Trump incited J6. Period.

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You have no evidence of Trump persuading, encouraging, instigating, pressuring, or threatening as to purposely cause another to commit a crime.

You're equating him not trusting the election with the above. That's not incitement under any definition.

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Trump invited rioters to Capitol on Jan 6 ("Big things will happen"). They showed up.
He expressed his disappointment in Pence and later the rioters were chanting "Hang Mike Pence"
He said he would march with the rioters to the Capitol. The rioters marched on the Capitol.

There are many videos of each of the above. If you won't accept video I don't know what to do for evidence.

Trump incited the J6 riot. Period.

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Except for the part that 99.something% of the crowd were not "rioters" but a high percentage of grandmothers and grandfathers who came to engage in first amendment rights of speech and assembly and did not participate in anything illegal.

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Violent but mostly peaceful.

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You trust the system, how are you not opposed to people who want to radically change it?

I don't know how you can rationally trust our system or not want radical change with the massive amount of failures we've encountered as a nation for decades.

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I supported Trump because he seemed to want a return to traditional conservatism, as opposed to the neocon version of the last few decades. Some may consider that radical, but I don't really. I'm against the extreme right, anti-democratic agenda that Trump and his followers increasingly seem to support. There's no need to accept that kind of thing just because you want reform.

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Trump didn't cause J6. Period.

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Trump incited J6. Period.

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You have no evidence of Trump persuading, encouraging, instigating, pressuring, or threatening as to purposely cause another to commit a crime.

You're equating him not trusting the election with the above. That's not incitement under any definition.

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Trump invited rioters to Capitol on Jan 6 ("Big things will happen"). They showed up.
He expressed his disappointment in Pence and later the rioters were chanting "Hang Mike Pence"
He said he would march with the rioters to the Capitol. The rioters marched on the Capitol.

There are many videos of each of the above. If you won't accept video I don't know what to do for evidence.

Trump incited the J6 riot. Period.

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Except for the part that we have four specific witnesses who have corroborated that he authorized up to 20k Nat Guard troops to guard the Electoral Vote process, and we have documentary evidence and/or testimony that Democrat leadership in House, Senate, and WDC steadfastly refused multiple offers from Trump admin for more security. What kind of insurrection is it where its alleged leader begs the targets of the insurrection to accept 20k troops to protect the process he allegedly attempted to insurrect?

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You know this is a lie. Why keep posting it?

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Timeline looks accurate and factual.

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The timeline is not accurate according to NPR, try again

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You trust the system, how are you not opposed to people who want to radically change it?

I don't know how you can rationally trust our system or not want radical change with the massive amount of failures we've encountered as a nation for decades.

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I supported Trump because he seemed to want a return to traditional conservatism, as opposed to the neocon version of the last few decades. Some may consider that radical, but I don't really. I'm against the extreme right, anti-democratic agenda that Trump and his followers increasingly seem to support. There's no need to accept that kind of thing just because you want reform.

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Trump didn't cause J6. Period.

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Trump incited J6. Period.

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You have no evidence of Trump persuading, encouraging, instigating, pressuring, or threatening as to purposely cause another to commit a crime.

You're equating him not trusting the election with the above. That's not incitement under any definition.

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Trump invited rioters to Capitol on Jan 6 ("Big things will happen"). They showed up.
He expressed his disappointment in Pence and later the rioters were chanting "Hang Mike Pence"
He said he would march with the rioters to the Capitol. The rioters marched on the Capitol.

There are many videos of each of the above. If you won't accept video I don't know what to do for evidence.

Trump incited the J6 riot. Period.

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Except for the part that we have four specific witnesses who have corroborated that he authorized up to 20k Nat Guard troops to guard the Electoral Vote process, and we have documentary evidence and/or testimony that Democrat leadership in House, Senate, and WDC steadfastly refused multiple offers from Trump admin for more security. What kind of insurrection is it where its alleged leader begs the targets of the insurrection to accept 20k troops to protect the process he allegedly attempted to insurrect?

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You know this is a lie. Why keep posting it?

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There is truth that he did authorize the Pentagon four days in advance if troops were requested. No troops were requested

There are large numbers of text messages between the police and Pelosi staff.. that could be a fun read

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Nah.

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You trust the system, how are you not opposed to people who want to radically change it?

I don't know how you can rationally trust our system or not want radical change with the massive amount of failures we've encountered as a nation for decades.

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I supported Trump because he seemed to want a return to traditional conservatism, as opposed to the neocon version of the last few decades. Some may consider that radical, but I don't really. I'm against the extreme right, anti-democratic agenda that Trump and his followers increasingly seem to support. There's no need to accept that kind of thing just because you want reform.

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Trump didn't cause J6. Period.

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Trump incited J6. Period.

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You have no evidence of Trump persuading, encouraging, instigating, pressuring, or threatening as to purposely cause another to commit a crime.

You're equating him not trusting the election with the above. That's not incitement under any definition.

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Trump invited rioters to Capitol on Jan 6 ("Big things will happen"). They showed up.
He expressed his disappointment in Pence and later the rioters were chanting "Hang Mike Pence"
He said he would march with the rioters to the Capitol. The rioters marched on the Capitol.

There are many videos of each of the above. If you won't accept video I don't know what to do for evidence.

Trump incited the J6 riot. Period.

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Except for the part that we have four specific witnesses who have corroborated that he authorized up to 20k Nat Guard troops to guard the Electoral Vote process, and we have documentary evidence and/or testimony that Democrat leadership in House, Senate, and WDC steadfastly refused multiple offers from Trump admin for more security. What kind of insurrection is it where its alleged leader begs the targets of the insurrection to accept 20k troops to protect the process he allegedly attempted to insurrect?

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You know this is a lie. Why keep posting it?

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Because it's not a lie, it just gets in the way of what you want to pretend is true, Sam.

"Let me be clear again. I condemn the KKK. I condemn all the white supremacists. I condemn the Proud Boys." - President Trump, October 1, 2020

Stand back and stand by.

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"Trump incited the J6 riot"

Only in the psychotic and malicious imagination of the Left.

And I don't care about your period.

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Just stating the facts.
Below is psychotic and malicious imagination of Trump


Dec. 26: Mr. Trump tweets: "Never give up. See everyone in D.C. on January 6th."

Dec. 27: Mr. Trump in a phone call presses Mr. Rosen and his deputy, Richard Donoghue, to declare the 2020 election corrupt. "Just say that the election was corrupt + leave the rest to me and the R. Congressmen

Jan. 2: Mr. Trump asks Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to "find 11,780 votes."

Jan. 4: In a rally in Georgia a day before the state's Senate runoff, Mr. Trump tells supporters: "When you win in a landslide and they steal it and it's rigged, it's not acceptable."

Jan 6
1 a.m.: President Trump tweets: "If Vice President @Mike_Pence comes through for us, we will win the Presidency.

11:57 a.m.: Mr. Trump takes the stage to address thousands of supporters. "We will stop the steal," he says. "You'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong." He tells supporters to march to the Capitol and promises to join them. He returns to the White House. Thousands of protesters head toward the Capitol.

2:24 p.m.: "Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!" Mr. Trump tweets.

2:30 p.m.: The House is abruptly adjourned, and House lawmakers are told to be prepared to hide under their chairs. The Senate chamber is evacuated.

4:17 p.m.: In a recorded statement, Mr. Trump tells protesters to go home. "You have to go home now, we have to have peace…we love you, you're very special," he says.

6:01 p.m.: Mr. Trump tweets, "These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!"

Jan. 20: Mr. Biden is inaugurated as president.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/jan-6-key-moments-leading-up-to-the-attack-on-the-capitol-11654796246

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You have to provide a DIRECT incitement. You haven't.

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He also snips away context and the broader statement, dishonestly trying to make honest complaint look like malicious intent.

Did Kamala take over Oso's username?

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You are emotionally committed to Trump. A TDS Psychosis
It requires ignoring facts

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False.

Unlike you, I paid attention to the whole statements and speeches, and so unlike you I am aware of the context.

You are buying into a Leftist lie, Oso.

You don't have to like or even support Trump to recognize the FACT that Trump, legally and factually, in no way instigated or incited any illegal actions.

And sorry that your periods are causing you an Sam so much distress.

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Do you disagree or refute any of the timeline I posted?

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It's cherry-picked fiction, as I already said.

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It's unanimous. Nobody disagrees with the timeline I posted.

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Absurd claim, considering my last 2 posts alone.

I get it.

You have bought into the BooogeyTrump garbage, but that's between you and a good analyst.

It does not give your claims even one scintilla of validity.

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I posted a timeline and nobody has disagreed with the facts I listed. With which of the items I listed do you disagree? Please be specific

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Nope, you do not get to demand we waste time on your fiction.

It's garbage designed only to smear Trump, and as such does not deserve one moment more than it takes to put in the toilet and flush it with the rest of the crap.

Come on, Oso, this is Schiff-level dishonesty, you're better than that, right?

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Trump is your guy. We get it.

I published facts and you can't deal with it.

And nobody has refuted any of the facts in my timeline

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1. Truth is important to me, more than politicians.

2. No, you put a story together and got mad when we didn't buy your claims at face

3. The opposite is true, no one has claimed your 'timeline' is accurate while several have challenged you

Wipe your butt, change into dry pants and suck it up, buttercup, you're buying into the Pelosi/Cheney/Schiff/Biden Big Pack O' Lies and it only makes you look bad.

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Where is timeline wrong? Please be specific

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Nah.

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You trust the system, how are you not opposed to people who want to radically change it?

I don't know how you can rationally trust our system or not want radical change with the massive amount of failures we've encountered as a nation for decades.

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I supported Trump because he seemed to want a return to traditional conservatism, as opposed to the neocon version of the last few decades. Some may consider that radical, but I don't really. I'm against the extreme right, anti-democratic agenda that Trump and his followers increasingly seem to support. There's no need to accept that kind of thing just because you want reform.

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Trump didn't cause J6. Period.

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Trump incited J6. Period.

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You have no evidence of Trump persuading, encouraging, instigating, pressuring, or threatening as to purposely cause another to commit a crime.

You're equating him not trusting the election with the above. That's not incitement under any definition.

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Trump invited rioters to Capitol on Jan 6 ("Big things will happen"). They showed up.
He expressed his disappointment in Pence and later the rioters were chanting "Hang Mike Pence"
He said he would march with the rioters to the Capitol. The rioters marched on the Capitol.

There are many videos of each of the above. If you won't accept video I don't know what to do for evidence.

Trump incited the J6 riot. Period.

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Except for the part that 99.something% of the crowd were not "rioters" but a high percentage of grandmothers and grandfathers who came to engage in first amendment rights of speech and assembly and did not participate in anything illegal.

Except for the part where "expressing disappointment" is a universe away from inciting anyone to "hang Mike Pence."

Except for the part where he specifically incited the crowd to "make their voices heard peacefully and patriotically," which is also on video.

Except for the part that we have four specific witnesses who have corroborated that he authorized up to 20k Nat Guard troops to guard the Electoral Vote process, and we have documentary evidence and/or testimony that Democrat leadership in House, Senate, and WDC steadfastly refused multiple offers from Trump admin for more security. What kind of insurrection is it where its alleged leader begs the targets of the insurrection to accept 20k troops to protect the process he allegedly attempted to insurrect?

What kind of patriot ignores indictments of PB and OK activists seeing to usurp peaceful process with violence, without the faintest whisp of connection between those groups and the person that patriot insists is in fact the leader of it all, yet bores on ahead to try to conflate the two?

You reasoning here would be amusing post hoc ergo propter hoc were it not also part of a highly harmful disinformation campaign which does great damage to the nation. One could very reasonably express disappointment in such actions but they'd only get accused of trying to incite others to do you harm.

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You keep defending Trump. There are a lot of high IQ stupid people out there.

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I keep quoting facts, which undermine your feelings.

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Osodecentx said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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"Trump incited the J6 riot"

Only in the psychotic and malicious imagination of the Left.

And I don't care about your period.

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Just stating the facts.
Below is psychotic and malicious imagination of Trump


Dec. 26: Mr. Trump tweets: "Never give up. See everyone in D.C. on January 6th."

Dec. 27: Mr. Trump in a phone call presses Mr. Rosen and his deputy, Richard Donoghue, to declare the 2020 election corrupt. "Just say that the election was corrupt + leave the rest to me and the R. Congressmen

Jan. 2: Mr. Trump asks Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to "find 11,780 votes."

Jan. 4: In a rally in Georgia a day before the state's Senate runoff, Mr. Trump tells supporters: "When you win in a landslide and they steal it and it's rigged, it's not acceptable."

Jan 6
1 a.m.: President Trump tweets: "If Vice President @Mike_Pence comes through for us, we will win the Presidency.

11:57 a.m.: Mr. Trump takes the stage to address thousands of supporters. "We will stop the steal," he says. "You'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong." He tells supporters to march to the Capitol and promises to join them. He returns to the White House. Thousands of protesters head toward the Capitol.

2:24 p.m.: "Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!" Mr. Trump tweets.

2:30 p.m.: The House is abruptly adjourned, and House lawmakers are told to be prepared to hide under their chairs. The Senate chamber is evacuated.

4:17 p.m.: In a recorded statement, Mr. Trump tells protesters to go home. "You have to go home now, we have to have peace…we love you, you're very special," he says.

6:01 p.m.: Mr. Trump tweets, "These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!"

Jan. 20: Mr. Biden is inaugurated as president.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/jan-6-key-moments-leading-up-to-the-attack-on-the-capitol-11654796246

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You have to provide a DIRECT incitement. You haven't.

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He also snips away context and the broader statement, dishonestly trying to make honest complaint look like malicious intent.

Did Kamala take over Oso's username?

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You are emotionally committed to Trump. A TDS Psychosis
It requires ignoring facts

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False.

Unlike you, I paid attention to the whole statements and speeches, and so unlike you I am aware of the context.

You are buying into a Leftist lie, Oso.

You don't have to like or even support Trump to recognize the FACT that Trump, legally and factually, in no way instigated or incited any illegal actions.

And sorry that your periods are causing you an Sam so much distress.

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Do you disagree or refute any of the timeline I posted?

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It's cherry-picked fiction, as I already said.

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It's unanimous. Nobody disagrees with the timeline I posted.

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Absurd claim, considering my last 2 posts alone.

I get it.

You have bought into the BooogeyTrump garbage, but that's between you and a good analyst.

It does not give your claims even one scintilla of validity.

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I posted a timeline and nobody has disagreed with the facts I listed. With which of the items I listed do you disagree? Please be specific

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Nope, you do not get to demand we waste time on your fiction.

It's garbage designed only to smear Trump, and as such does not deserve one moment more than it takes to put in the toilet and flush it with the rest of the crap.

Come on, Oso, this is Schiff-level dishonesty, you're better than that, right?

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Trump is your guy. We get it.

I published facts and you can't deal with it.

And nobody has refuted any of the facts in my timeline

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1. Truth is important to me, more than politicians.

2. No, you put a story together and got mad when we didn't buy your claims at face

3. The opposite is true, no one has claimed your 'timeline' is accurate while several have challenged you

Wipe your butt, change into dry pants and suck it up, buttercup, you're buying into the Pelosi/Cheney/Schiff/Biden Big Pack O' Lies and it only makes you look bad.

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Where is timeline wrong? Please be specific

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So, Oso is just ignoring anything but what fits his narrative.

He'll miss 90% of the facts that way, but maybe that's the plan ...

Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Nah.

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You trust the system, how are you not opposed to people who want to radically change it?

I don't know how you can rationally trust our system or not want radical change with the massive amount of failures we've encountered as a nation for decades.

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I supported Trump because he seemed to want a return to traditional conservatism, as opposed to the neocon version of the last few decades. Some may consider that radical, but I don't really. I'm against the extreme right, anti-democratic agenda that Trump and his followers increasingly seem to support. There's no need to accept that kind of thing just because you want reform.

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Trump didn't cause J6. Period.

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Trump incited J6. Period.

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You have no evidence of Trump persuading, encouraging, instigating, pressuring, or threatening as to purposely cause another to commit a crime.

You're equating him not trusting the election with the above. That's not incitement under any definition.

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Trump invited rioters to Capitol on Jan 6 ("Big things will happen"). They showed up.
He expressed his disappointment in Pence and later the rioters were chanting "Hang Mike Pence"
He said he would march with the rioters to the Capitol. The rioters marched on the Capitol.

There are many videos of each of the above. If you won't accept video I don't know what to do for evidence.

Trump incited the J6 riot. Period.

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Except for the part that we have four specific witnesses who have corroborated that he authorized up to 20k Nat Guard troops to guard the Electoral Vote process, and we have documentary evidence and/or testimony that Democrat leadership in House, Senate, and WDC steadfastly refused multiple offers from Trump admin for more security. What kind of insurrection is it where its alleged leader begs the targets of the insurrection to accept 20k troops to protect the process he allegedly attempted to insurrect?

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You know this is a lie. Why keep posting it?

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Why do you keep calling it a lie when it is a plain fact?

(because it runs counter to your contrived narrative.)

Where is the Disinformation Governance Board when we actually need it?

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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"Trump incited the J6 riot"

Only in the psychotic and malicious imagination of the Left.

And I don't care about your period.

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Just stating the facts.
Below is psychotic and malicious imagination of Trump


Dec. 26: Mr. Trump tweets: "Never give up. See everyone in D.C. on January 6th."

Dec. 27: Mr. Trump in a phone call presses Mr. Rosen and his deputy, Richard Donoghue, to declare the 2020 election corrupt. "Just say that the election was corrupt + leave the rest to me and the R. Congressmen

Jan. 2: Mr. Trump asks Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to "find 11,780 votes."

Jan. 4: In a rally in Georgia a day before the state's Senate runoff, Mr. Trump tells supporters: "When you win in a landslide and they steal it and it's rigged, it's not acceptable."

Jan 6
1 a.m.: President Trump tweets: "If Vice President @Mike_Pence comes through for us, we will win the Presidency.

11:57 a.m.: Mr. Trump takes the stage to address thousands of supporters. "We will stop the steal," he says. "You'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong." He tells supporters to march to the Capitol and promises to join them. He returns to the White House. Thousands of protesters head toward the Capitol.

2:24 p.m.: "Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!" Mr. Trump tweets.

2:30 p.m.: The House is abruptly adjourned, and House lawmakers are told to be prepared to hide under their chairs. The Senate chamber is evacuated.

4:17 p.m.: In a recorded statement, Mr. Trump tells protesters to go home. "You have to go home now, we have to have peace…we love you, you're very special," he says.

6:01 p.m.: Mr. Trump tweets, "These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!"

Jan. 20: Mr. Biden is inaugurated as president.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/jan-6-key-moments-leading-up-to-the-attack-on-the-capitol-11654796246

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You have to provide a DIRECT incitement. You haven't.

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He also snips away context and the broader statement, dishonestly trying to make honest complaint look like malicious intent.

Did Kamala take over Oso's username?

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You are emotionally committed to Trump. A TDS Psychosis
It requires ignoring facts

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False.

Unlike you, I paid attention to the whole statements and speeches, and so unlike you I am aware of the context.

You are buying into a Leftist lie, Oso.

You don't have to like or even support Trump to recognize the FACT that Trump, legally and factually, in no way instigated or incited any illegal actions.

And sorry that your periods are causing you an Sam so much distress.

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Do you disagree or refute any of the timeline I posted?

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It's cherry-picked fiction, as I already said.

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It's unanimous. Nobody disagrees with the timeline I posted.

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Absurd claim, considering my last 2 posts alone.

I get it.

You have bought into the BooogeyTrump garbage, but that's between you and a good analyst.

It does not give your claims even one scintilla of validity.

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I posted a timeline and nobody has disagreed with the facts I listed. With which of the items I listed do you disagree? Please be specific

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Nope, you do not get to demand we waste time on your fiction.

It's garbage designed only to smear Trump, and as such does not deserve one moment more than it takes to put in the toilet and flush it with the rest of the crap.

Come on, Oso, this is Schiff-level dishonesty, you're better than that, right?

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Trump is your guy. We get it.

I published facts and you can't deal with it.

And nobody has refuted any of the facts in my timeline

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1. Truth is important to me, more than politicians.

2. No, you put a story together and got mad when we didn't buy your claims at face

3. The opposite is true, no one has claimed your 'timeline' is accurate while several have challenged you

Wipe your butt, change into dry pants and suck it up, buttercup, you're buying into the Pelosi/Cheney/Schiff/Biden Big Pack O' Lies and it only makes you look bad.

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Where is timeline wrong? Please be specific

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So, Oso is just ignoring anything but what fits his narrative.

He'll miss 90% of the facts that way, but maybe that's the plan ...

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No specifics?

All I have are videos and eye witnesses

Oso: "All I have are videos edited to support a false narrative and biased eye witnesses"

And I have noted that fact.

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You trust the system, how are you not opposed to people who want to radically change it?

I don't know how you can rationally trust our system or not want radical change with the massive amount of failures we've encountered as a nation for decades.

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I supported Trump because he seemed to want a return to traditional conservatism, as opposed to the neocon version of the last few decades. Some may consider that radical, but I don't really. I'm against the extreme right, anti-democratic agenda that Trump and his followers increasingly seem to support. There's no need to accept that kind of thing just because you want reform.

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Trump didn't cause J6. Period.

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Trump incited J6. Period.

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You have no evidence of Trump persuading, encouraging, instigating, pressuring, or threatening as to purposely cause another to commit a crime.

You're equating him not trusting the election with the above. That's not incitement under any definition.

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Trump invited rioters to Capitol on Jan 6 ("Big things will happen"). They showed up.
He expressed his disappointment in Pence and later the rioters were chanting "Hang Mike Pence"
He said he would march with the rioters to the Capitol. The rioters marched on the Capitol.

There are many videos of each of the above. If you won't accept video I don't know what to do for evidence.

Trump incited the J6 riot. Period.

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Except for the part that we have four specific witnesses who have corroborated that he authorized up to 20k Nat Guard troops to guard the Electoral Vote process, and we have documentary evidence and/or testimony that Democrat leadership in House, Senate, and WDC steadfastly refused multiple offers from Trump admin for more security. What kind of insurrection is it where its alleged leader begs the targets of the insurrection to accept 20k troops to protect the process he allegedly attempted to insurrect?

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You know this is a lie. Why keep posting it?

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Why do you keep calling it a lie when it is a plain fact?

(because it runs counter to your contrived narrative.)

Where is the Disinformation Governance Board when we actually need it?

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I'll refer you to our earlier conversation, with the caveat that your back-pedaling may be somewhat painful to revisit.

But you still haven't answered my question. Why?

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I supported Trump because he seemed to want a return to traditional conservatism, as opposed to the neocon version of the last few decades. Some may consider that radical, but I don't really. I'm against the extreme right, anti-democratic agenda that Trump and his followers increasingly seem to support. There's no need to accept that kind of thing just because you want reform.

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Trump didn't cause J6. Period.

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Trump incited J6. Period.

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You have no evidence of Trump persuading, encouraging, instigating, pressuring, or threatening as to purposely cause another to commit a crime.

You're equating him not trusting the election with the above. That's not incitement under any definition.

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Trump invited rioters to Capitol on Jan 6 ("Big things will happen"). They showed up.
He expressed his disappointment in Pence and later the rioters were chanting "Hang Mike Pence"
He said he would march with the rioters to the Capitol. The rioters marched on the Capitol.

There are many videos of each of the above. If you won't accept video I don't know what to do for evidence.

Trump incited the J6 riot. Period.

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Except for the part that we have four specific witnesses who have corroborated that he authorized up to 20k Nat Guard troops to guard the Electoral Vote process, and we have documentary evidence and/or testimony that Democrat leadership in House, Senate, and WDC steadfastly refused multiple offers from Trump admin for more security. What kind of insurrection is it where its alleged leader begs the targets of the insurrection to accept 20k troops to protect the process he allegedly attempted to insurrect?

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You know this is a lie. Why keep posting it?

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Why do you keep calling it a lie when it is a plain fact?

(because it runs counter to your contrived narrative.)

Where is the Disinformation Governance Board when we actually need it?

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I'll refer you to our earlier conversation, with the caveat that your back-pedaling may be somewhat painful to revisit.

But you still haven't answered my question. Why?

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Admin had intel there would be trouble. Multiple eyewitnesses have all quoted POTUS as saying he wanted NG deployed. I have heard them state it, with my own ears. DOD took action (some of it in writing) to make it happen. Democrats refused it. Mayor WDC refused it. CaPo initially refused it, then at the 11th hour started begging for more than could get there in time. That's all well established, and no amount of epistemologically challenged fact-checking can wash it away. Best of all, GOP House leadership promises to have hearings on all that next spring, so you will have a chance to be enlightened.

You should back-pedal now while you still have time to claim new information reshaped your perceptions.

And here's the scenario you should prepare to be unveiled: Democrats did not want NG deployed because they were afraid Trump would use them to pull a coup. That's actually a logical concern. If one believes Trump is a Nazi seeking to pull a coup to retain power, the LAST thing you'd want is tens of thousands of troops under his command occupying the capitol. But they can't say that now, since facts clearly show he attempted to defend the Electoral College and he did, in fact, leave office on schedule of his own free will just like all of his predecessors. So they will just be left looking entirely incompetent fools.

Just hang on. We'll get there.
In the meantime, don't be like them, yammering disinformation to cover their anatomy.
The American people are getting awfully tired of it.

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I supported Trump because he seemed to want a return to traditional conservatism, as opposed to the neocon version of the last few decades. Some may consider that radical, but I don't really. I'm against the extreme right, anti-democratic agenda that Trump and his followers increasingly seem to support. There's no need to accept that kind of thing just because you want reform.

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Trump didn't cause J6. Period.

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Trump incited J6. Period.

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You have no evidence of Trump persuading, encouraging, instigating, pressuring, or threatening as to purposely cause another to commit a crime.

You're equating him not trusting the election with the above. That's not incitement under any definition.

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Trump invited rioters to Capitol on Jan 6 ("Big things will happen"). They showed up.
He expressed his disappointment in Pence and later the rioters were chanting "Hang Mike Pence"
He said he would march with the rioters to the Capitol. The rioters marched on the Capitol.

There are many videos of each of the above. If you won't accept video I don't know what to do for evidence.

Trump incited the J6 riot. Period.

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Except for the part that we have four specific witnesses who have corroborated that he authorized up to 20k Nat Guard troops to guard the Electoral Vote process, and we have documentary evidence and/or testimony that Democrat leadership in House, Senate, and WDC steadfastly refused multiple offers from Trump admin for more security. What kind of insurrection is it where its alleged leader begs the targets of the insurrection to accept 20k troops to protect the process he allegedly attempted to insurrect?

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You know this is a lie. Why keep posting it?

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Why do you keep calling it a lie when it is a plain fact?

(because it runs counter to your contrived narrative.)

Where is the Disinformation Governance Board when we actually need it?

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I'll refer you to our earlier conversation, with the caveat that your back-pedaling may be somewhat painful to revisit.

But you still haven't answered my question. Why?

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Admin had intel there would be trouble. Multiple eyewitnesses have all quoted POTUS as saying he wanted NG deployed. I have heard them state it, with my own ears. DOD took action (some of it in writing) to make it happen. Democrats refused it. Mayor WDC refused it. CaPo initially refused it, then at the 11th hour started begging for more than could get there in time. That's all well established, and no amount of epistemologically challenged fact-checking can wash it away. Best of all, GOP House leadership promises to have hearings on all that next spring, so you will have a chance to be enlightened.

You should back-pedal now while you still have time to claim new information reshaped your perceptions.

And here's the scenario you should prepare to be unveiled: Democrats did not want NG deployed because they were afraid Trump would use them to pull a coup. That's actually a logical concern. If one believes Trump is a Nazi seeking to pull a coup to retain power, the LAST thing you'd want is tens of thousands of troops under his command occupying the capitol. But they can't say that now, since facts clearly show he attempted to defend the Electoral College and he did, in fact, leave office on schedule of his own free will just like all of his predecessors. So they will just be left looking entirely incompetent fools.

Just hang on. We'll get there.
In the meantime, don't be like them, yammering disinformation to cover their anatomy.
The American people are getting awfully tired of it.

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If new information comes out, of course my perceptions will change. Until then, you're still just making up crap. What you call "well established" is not only not well established but positively refuted by Trump's own people.

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I supported Trump because he seemed to want a return to traditional conservatism, as opposed to the neocon version of the last few decades. Some may consider that radical, but I don't really. I'm against the extreme right, anti-democratic agenda that Trump and his followers increasingly seem to support. There's no need to accept that kind of thing just because you want reform.

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Trump didn't cause J6. Period.

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Trump incited J6. Period.

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You have no evidence of Trump persuading, encouraging, instigating, pressuring, or threatening as to purposely cause another to commit a crime.

You're equating him not trusting the election with the above. That's not incitement under any definition.

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Trump invited rioters to Capitol on Jan 6 ("Big things will happen"). They showed up.
He expressed his disappointment in Pence and later the rioters were chanting "Hang Mike Pence"
He said he would march with the rioters to the Capitol. The rioters marched on the Capitol.

There are many videos of each of the above. If you won't accept video I don't know what to do for evidence.

Trump incited the J6 riot. Period.

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Except for the part that we have four specific witnesses who have corroborated that he authorized up to 20k Nat Guard troops to guard the Electoral Vote process, and we have documentary evidence and/or testimony that Democrat leadership in House, Senate, and WDC steadfastly refused multiple offers from Trump admin for more security. What kind of insurrection is it where its alleged leader begs the targets of the insurrection to accept 20k troops to protect the process he allegedly attempted to insurrect?

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You know this is a lie. Why keep posting it?

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Why do you keep calling it a lie when it is a plain fact?

(because it runs counter to your contrived narrative.)

Where is the Disinformation Governance Board when we actually need it?

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I'll refer you to our earlier conversation, with the caveat that your back-pedaling may be somewhat painful to revisit.

But you still haven't answered my question. Why?

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Admin had intel there would be trouble. Multiple eyewitnesses have all quoted POTUS as saying he wanted NG deployed. I have heard them state it, with my own ears. DOD took action (some of it in writing) to make it happen. Democrats refused it. Mayor WDC refused it. CaPo initially refused it, then at the 11th hour started begging for more than could get there in time. That's all well established, and no amount of epistemologically challenged fact-checking can wash it away. Best of all, GOP House leadership promises to have hearings on all that next spring, so you will have a chance to be enlightened.

You should back-pedal now while you still have time to claim new information reshaped your perceptions.

And here's the scenario you should prepare to be unveiled: Democrats did not want NG deployed because they were afraid Trump would use them to pull a coup. That's actually a logical concern. If one believes Trump is a Nazi seeking to pull a coup to retain power, the LAST thing you'd want is tens of thousands of troops under his command occupying the capitol. But they can't say that now, since facts clearly show he attempted to defend the Electoral College and he did, in fact, leave office on schedule of his own free will just like all of his predecessors. So they will just be left looking entirely incompetent fools.

Just hang on. We'll get there.
In the meantime, don't be like them, yammering disinformation to cover their anatomy.
The American people are getting awfully tired of it.

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If new information comes out, of course my perceptions will change. Until then, you're still just making up crap. What you call "well established" is not only not well established but positively refuted by Trump's own people.

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there has been recent documented proof he told the DoD to approve troops if requested. Nobody requested, he cant just send them without request..

Gonna be fun to see the texts/emails between pelosis staff and the capital police.. they are numerous.

A "high ranking senior white house official" turned out to be a mail clerk with limited access. I forgot, you still have faith in the secret sources used by the NY times, atlantic, wa po, and such..

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I supported Trump because he seemed to want a return to traditional conservatism, as opposed to the neocon version of the last few decades. Some may consider that radical, but I don't really. I'm against the extreme right, anti-democratic agenda that Trump and his followers increasingly seem to support. There's no need to accept that kind of thing just because you want reform.

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Trump didn't cause J6. Period.

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Trump incited J6. Period.

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You have no evidence of Trump persuading, encouraging, instigating, pressuring, or threatening as to purposely cause another to commit a crime.

You're equating him not trusting the election with the above. That's not incitement under any definition.

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Trump invited rioters to Capitol on Jan 6 ("Big things will happen"). They showed up.
He expressed his disappointment in Pence and later the rioters were chanting "Hang Mike Pence"
He said he would march with the rioters to the Capitol. The rioters marched on the Capitol.

There are many videos of each of the above. If you won't accept video I don't know what to do for evidence.

Trump incited the J6 riot. Period.

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Except for the part that we have four specific witnesses who have corroborated that he authorized up to 20k Nat Guard troops to guard the Electoral Vote process, and we have documentary evidence and/or testimony that Democrat leadership in House, Senate, and WDC steadfastly refused multiple offers from Trump admin for more security. What kind of insurrection is it where its alleged leader begs the targets of the insurrection to accept 20k troops to protect the process he allegedly attempted to insurrect?

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You know this is a lie. Why keep posting it?

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Why do you keep calling it a lie when it is a plain fact?

(because it runs counter to your contrived narrative.)

Where is the Disinformation Governance Board when we actually need it?

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I'll refer you to our earlier conversation, with the caveat that your back-pedaling may be somewhat painful to revisit.

But you still haven't answered my question. Why?

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Admin had intel there would be trouble. Multiple eyewitnesses have all quoted POTUS as saying he wanted NG deployed. I have heard them state it, with my own ears. DOD took action (some of it in writing) to make it happen. Democrats refused it. Mayor WDC refused it. CaPo initially refused it, then at the 11th hour started begging for more than could get there in time. That's all well established, and no amount of epistemologically challenged fact-checking can wash it away. Best of all, GOP House leadership promises to have hearings on all that next spring, so you will have a chance to be enlightened.

You should back-pedal now while you still have time to claim new information reshaped your perceptions.

And here's the scenario you should prepare to be unveiled: Democrats did not want NG deployed because they were afraid Trump would use them to pull a coup. That's actually a logical concern. If one believes Trump is a Nazi seeking to pull a coup to retain power, the LAST thing you'd want is tens of thousands of troops under his command occupying the capitol. But they can't say that now, since facts clearly show he attempted to defend the Electoral College and he did, in fact, leave office on schedule of his own free will just like all of his predecessors. So they will just be left looking entirely incompetent fools.

Just hang on. We'll get there.
In the meantime, don't be like them, yammering disinformation to cover their anatomy.
The American people are getting awfully tired of it.

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If new information comes out, of course my perceptions will change. Until then, you're still just making up crap. What you call "well established" is not only not well established but positively refuted by Trump's own people.

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there has been recent documented proof he told the DoD to approve troops if requested. Nobody requested, he cant just send them without request..

Gonna be fun to see the texts/emails between pelosis staff and the capital police.. they are numerous.

A "high ranking senior white house official" turned out to be a mail clerk with limited access. I forgot, you still have faith in the secret sources used by the NY times, atlantic, wa po, and such..

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You throw out a lot of vague references. I don't know what "high ranking official" you're talking about. Trump's secretary of defense is on record under oath (see link to my earlier discussion with whiterock).

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I supported Trump because he seemed to want a return to traditional conservatism, as opposed to the neocon version of the last few decades. Some may consider that radical, but I don't really. I'm against the extreme right, anti-democratic agenda that Trump and his followers increasingly seem to support. There's no need to accept that kind of thing just because you want reform.

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Trump didn't cause J6. Period.

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Trump incited J6. Period.

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You have no evidence of Trump persuading, encouraging, instigating, pressuring, or threatening as to purposely cause another to commit a crime.

You're equating him not trusting the election with the above. That's not incitement under any definition.

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Trump invited rioters to Capitol on Jan 6 ("Big things will happen"). They showed up.
He expressed his disappointment in Pence and later the rioters were chanting "Hang Mike Pence"
He said he would march with the rioters to the Capitol. The rioters marched on the Capitol.

There are many videos of each of the above. If you won't accept video I don't know what to do for evidence.

Trump incited the J6 riot. Period.

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Except for the part that we have four specific witnesses who have corroborated that he authorized up to 20k Nat Guard troops to guard the Electoral Vote process, and we have documentary evidence and/or testimony that Democrat leadership in House, Senate, and WDC steadfastly refused multiple offers from Trump admin for more security. What kind of insurrection is it where its alleged leader begs the targets of the insurrection to accept 20k troops to protect the process he allegedly attempted to insurrect?

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You know this is a lie. Why keep posting it?

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Why do you keep calling it a lie when it is a plain fact?

(because it runs counter to your contrived narrative.)

Where is the Disinformation Governance Board when we actually need it?

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I'll refer you to our earlier conversation, with the caveat that your back-pedaling may be somewhat painful to revisit.

But you still haven't answered my question. Why?

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Admin had intel there would be trouble. Multiple eyewitnesses have all quoted POTUS as saying he wanted NG deployed. I have heard them state it, with my own ears. DOD took action (some of it in writing) to make it happen. Democrats refused it. Mayor WDC refused it. CaPo initially refused it, then at the 11th hour started begging for more than could get there in time. That's all well established, and no amount of epistemologically challenged fact-checking can wash it away. Best of all, GOP House leadership promises to have hearings on all that next spring, so you will have a chance to be enlightened.

You should back-pedal now while you still have time to claim new information reshaped your perceptions.

And here's the scenario you should prepare to be unveiled: Democrats did not want NG deployed because they were afraid Trump would use them to pull a coup. That's actually a logical concern. If one believes Trump is a Nazi seeking to pull a coup to retain power, the LAST thing you'd want is tens of thousands of troops under his command occupying the capitol. But they can't say that now, since facts clearly show he attempted to defend the Electoral College and he did, in fact, leave office on schedule of his own free will just like all of his predecessors. So they will just be left looking entirely incompetent fools.

Just hang on. We'll get there.
In the meantime, don't be like them, yammering disinformation to cover their anatomy.
The American people are getting awfully tired of it.

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If new information comes out, of course my perceptions will change. Until then, you're still just making up crap. What you call "well established" is not only not well established but positively refuted by Trump's own people.

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there has been recent documented proof he told the DoD to approve troops if requested. Nobody requested, he cant just send them without request..

Gonna be fun to see the texts/emails between pelosis staff and the capital police.. they are numerous.

A "high ranking senior white house official" turned out to be a mail clerk with limited access. I forgot, you still have faith in the secret sources used by the NY times, atlantic, wa po, and such..

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You throw out a lot of vague references. I don't know what "high ranking official" you're talking about. Trump's secretary of defense is on record under oath (see link to my earlier discussion with whiterock).

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Sam using phrases "making up crap" and "throwing out a lot of vague references" is exactly the kind of ironic humor that portends the start of a great week!

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Proud Boys leader admits plan to storm Capitol, will testify against others
Charles Donohoe pleaded guilty to conspiracy, acknowledging an attempt to stop congressional confirmation of the electoral college vote
A North Carolina man who was one of the leaders of the far-right Proud Boys as they assaulted the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, pleaded guilty Friday to two felony counts with a minimum sentence of nearly six years in prison, but agreed to cooperate against his co-defendants in hopes of getting a lighter sentence.

Court records filed Friday show he has already provided numerous insights into the group's plans and their intention to disrupt the congressional electoral vote confirmation.
Charles Donohoe, 34, of Kernersville, N.C., admitted to both organizing the pro-Trump attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers. Donohoe is the first charged among six of the Proud Boys' leaders, including longtime chairman Enrique Tarrio, to admit to both organizing an attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers.
Tarrio pleaded not guilty earlier this week to charges of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and six other felonies. He has been ordered held in jail until trial along with six other defendants.
Those other defendants include Donohoe, who has been jailed since March of last year. He pleaded guilty to conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and assaulting police officers.
In December 2020, according to court documents filed Friday, Tarrio appointed Donohue as one of the members of the "Ministry of Self Defense," a leadership group within the Proud Boys making preparations for Jan. 6.
In a newly filed statement of offense, prosecutors said that "Donohoe understood that the purpose of the rally in Washington, D.C., on January 6, 2021, was to stop the certification of the Electoral College vote." The "MOSD" leadership was broken into a three-person "marketing" council, to recruit more members, and an "operations" group. Donohoe was part of the marketing group, the statement of offense says, and it soon expanded to at least 65 members.
As early as Jan. 4, prosecutors said, "Donohoe was aware that members of MOSD leadership were discussing the possibility of storming the Capitol. Donohoe believed that storming the Capitol would achieve the group's goal of stopping the government from carrying out the transfer of presidential power. Donohoe understood that storming the Capitol would be illegal."
Donohoe hadn't planned to be in D.C. on Jan. 6, the statement of offense says. But after Tarrio was arrested on Jan. 4, 2021, for burning a Black Lives Matter banner stolen from a D.C. church, Donohoe decided to travel to Washington because he "believed that Tarrio's arrest could create a leadership void for the MOSD," according to the filing, which is also signed by Donohoe.
On the morning of Jan. 6, the Proud Boys marched away from the Ellipse before President Donald Trump began his speech, and did not return. Instead, they went to the Capitol shortly after 10 a.m., the statement of offense says, and Donohoe posted that his group numbered "200-300 PBs." Co-defendants Ethan Nordean and Joseph Biggs mustered the group, the statement says, and "Donohoe understood that Nordean and Biggs were searching for an opportunity to storm the Capitol."
By 1 p.m., the Proud Boys were being instructed in messages to "Push inside!" Donohoe reposted the message to other group leaders. Donohoe admitted throwing two water bottles at police trying to prevent the mob's advance. At 1:37 p.m., Donohoe took a picture of co-defendant Dominic Pezzola holding a riot shield that had been snatched from police.
Donohoe then found another Proud Boy who "initiated an altercation at the front of the crowd," the statement says. "Donohoe pushed forward to advance up the concrete stairs toward the Capitol. The crowd overwhelmed law enforcement who were attempting to stop their advance." About 140 police officers were injured during the onslaught, and five people died in the attack or immediate aftermath.
Donohoe is the second Proud Boy to agree to testify against his co-defendants. In January, Matthew Greene of Syracuse, N.Y., admitted coordinating with other New York-based members of the extremist group at the front of the Capitol mob and pleaded guilty to felony conspiracy, also hoping for a reduced sentence in exchange for his cooperation. As a result of their deals, no sentencing dates were set for Donohoe or Greene, pending the outcome of their testimony in both trials and grand jury hearings.

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I think the 1-6 Committee is going to show convincing proof of coordination between Trump and the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers.

Testimony has already shown they were in place and getting ready while Trump was speaking at the rally.

They also had firearms stored in hotels in the DC area.

The nexus is most likely Roger Stone. He had a personal guard of Proud Boy members woth him at all times, while he was fresh off Trump commuting his sentence and working every angle he could to help Trump stay in power.

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Oops!

Proud Boys leader admits plan to storm Capitol, will testify against others
Charles Donohoe pleaded guilty to conspiracy, acknowledging an attempt to stop congressional confirmation of the electoral college vote
A North Carolina man who was one of the leaders of the far-right Proud Boys as they assaulted the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, pleaded guilty Friday to two felony counts with a minimum sentence of nearly six years in prison, but agreed to cooperate against his co-defendants in hopes of getting a lighter sentence.

Court records filed Friday show he has already provided numerous insights into the group's plans and their intention to disrupt the congressional electoral vote confirmation.
Charles Donohoe, 34, of Kernersville, N.C., admitted to both organizing the pro-Trump attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers. Donohoe is the first charged among six of the Proud Boys' leaders, including longtime chairman Enrique Tarrio, to admit to both organizing an attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers.
Tarrio pleaded not guilty earlier this week to charges of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and six other felonies. He has been ordered held in jail until trial along with six other defendants.
Those other defendants include Donohoe, who has been jailed since March of last year. He pleaded guilty to conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and assaulting police officers.
In December 2020, according to court documents filed Friday, Tarrio appointed Donohue as one of the members of the "Ministry of Self Defense," a leadership group within the Proud Boys making preparations for Jan. 6.
In a newly filed statement of offense, prosecutors said that "Donohoe understood that the purpose of the rally in Washington, D.C., on January 6, 2021, was to stop the certification of the Electoral College vote." The "MOSD" leadership was broken into a three-person "marketing" council, to recruit more members, and an "operations" group. Donohoe was part of the marketing group, the statement of offense says, and it soon expanded to at least 65 members.
As early as Jan. 4, prosecutors said, "Donohoe was aware that members of MOSD leadership were discussing the possibility of storming the Capitol. Donohoe believed that storming the Capitol would achieve the group's goal of stopping the government from carrying out the transfer of presidential power. Donohoe understood that storming the Capitol would be illegal."
Donohoe hadn't planned to be in D.C. on Jan. 6, the statement of offense says. But after Tarrio was arrested on Jan. 4, 2021, for burning a Black Lives Matter banner stolen from a D.C. church, Donohoe decided to travel to Washington because he "believed that Tarrio's arrest could create a leadership void for the MOSD," according to the filing, which is also signed by Donohoe.
On the morning of Jan. 6, the Proud Boys marched away from the Ellipse before President Donald Trump began his speech, and did not return. Instead, they went to the Capitol shortly after 10 a.m., the statement of offense says, and Donohoe posted that his group numbered "200-300 PBs." Co-defendants Ethan Nordean and Joseph Biggs mustered the group, the statement says, and "Donohoe understood that Nordean and Biggs were searching for an opportunity to storm the Capitol."
By 1 p.m., the Proud Boys were being instructed in messages to "Push inside!" Donohoe reposted the message to other group leaders. Donohoe admitted throwing two water bottles at police trying to prevent the mob's advance. At 1:37 p.m., Donohoe took a picture of co-defendant Dominic Pezzola holding a riot shield that had been snatched from police.
Donohoe then found another Proud Boy who "initiated an altercation at the front of the crowd," the statement says. "Donohoe pushed forward to advance up the concrete stairs toward the Capitol. The crowd overwhelmed law enforcement who were attempting to stop their advance." About 140 police officers were injured during the onslaught, and five people died in the attack or immediate aftermath.
Donohoe is the second Proud Boy to agree to testify against his co-defendants. In January, Matthew Greene of Syracuse, N.Y., admitted coordinating with other New York-based members of the extremist group at the front of the Capitol mob and pleaded guilty to felony conspiracy, also hoping for a reduced sentence in exchange for his cooperation. As a result of their deals, no sentencing dates were set for Donohoe or Greene, pending the outcome of their testimony in both trials and grand jury hearings.

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I think the 1-6 Committee is going to show convincing proof of coordination between Trump and the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers.

Testimony has already shown they were in place and getting ready while Trump was speaking at the rally.

They also had firearms stored in hotels in the DC area.

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so much wrong info in this post..

At least you are consistent

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Proud Boys leader admits plan to storm Capitol, will testify against others
Charles Donohoe pleaded guilty to conspiracy, acknowledging an attempt to stop congressional confirmation of the electoral college vote
A North Carolina man who was one of the leaders of the far-right Proud Boys as they assaulted the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, pleaded guilty Friday to two felony counts with a minimum sentence of nearly six years in prison, but agreed to cooperate against his co-defendants in hopes of getting a lighter sentence.

Court records filed Friday show he has already provided numerous insights into the group's plans and their intention to disrupt the congressional electoral vote confirmation.
Charles Donohoe, 34, of Kernersville, N.C., admitted to both organizing the pro-Trump attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers. Donohoe is the first charged among six of the Proud Boys' leaders, including longtime chairman Enrique Tarrio, to admit to both organizing an attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers.
Tarrio pleaded not guilty earlier this week to charges of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and six other felonies. He has been ordered held in jail until trial along with six other defendants.
Those other defendants include Donohoe, who has been jailed since March of last year. He pleaded guilty to conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and assaulting police officers.
In December 2020, according to court documents filed Friday, Tarrio appointed Donohue as one of the members of the "Ministry of Self Defense," a leadership group within the Proud Boys making preparations for Jan. 6.
In a newly filed statement of offense, prosecutors said that "Donohoe understood that the purpose of the rally in Washington, D.C., on January 6, 2021, was to stop the certification of the Electoral College vote." The "MOSD" leadership was broken into a three-person "marketing" council, to recruit more members, and an "operations" group. Donohoe was part of the marketing group, the statement of offense says, and it soon expanded to at least 65 members.
As early as Jan. 4, prosecutors said, "Donohoe was aware that members of MOSD leadership were discussing the possibility of storming the Capitol. Donohoe believed that storming the Capitol would achieve the group's goal of stopping the government from carrying out the transfer of presidential power. Donohoe understood that storming the Capitol would be illegal."
Donohoe hadn't planned to be in D.C. on Jan. 6, the statement of offense says. But after Tarrio was arrested on Jan. 4, 2021, for burning a Black Lives Matter banner stolen from a D.C. church, Donohoe decided to travel to Washington because he "believed that Tarrio's arrest could create a leadership void for the MOSD," according to the filing, which is also signed by Donohoe.
On the morning of Jan. 6, the Proud Boys marched away from the Ellipse before President Donald Trump began his speech, and did not return. Instead, they went to the Capitol shortly after 10 a.m., the statement of offense says, and Donohoe posted that his group numbered "200-300 PBs." Co-defendants Ethan Nordean and Joseph Biggs mustered the group, the statement says, and "Donohoe understood that Nordean and Biggs were searching for an opportunity to storm the Capitol."
By 1 p.m., the Proud Boys were being instructed in messages to "Push inside!" Donohoe reposted the message to other group leaders. Donohoe admitted throwing two water bottles at police trying to prevent the mob's advance. At 1:37 p.m., Donohoe took a picture of co-defendant Dominic Pezzola holding a riot shield that had been snatched from police.
Donohoe then found another Proud Boy who "initiated an altercation at the front of the crowd," the statement says. "Donohoe pushed forward to advance up the concrete stairs toward the Capitol. The crowd overwhelmed law enforcement who were attempting to stop their advance." About 140 police officers were injured during the onslaught, and five people died in the attack or immediate aftermath.
Donohoe is the second Proud Boy to agree to testify against his co-defendants. In January, Matthew Greene of Syracuse, N.Y., admitted coordinating with other New York-based members of the extremist group at the front of the Capitol mob and pleaded guilty to felony conspiracy, also hoping for a reduced sentence in exchange for his cooperation. As a result of their deals, no sentencing dates were set for Donohoe or Greene, pending the outcome of their testimony in both trials and grand jury hearings.

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I think the 1-6 Committee is going to show convincing proof of coordination between Trump and the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers.

Testimony has already shown they were in place and getting ready while Trump was speaking at the rally.

They also had firearms stored in hotels in the DC area.

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so much wrong info in this post..

At least you are consistent

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LOL no joke. One is commander in chief of the US military and yet plans to use the Proud Boys to conduct an insurrection.

CJ and Huck....I swear....the beauty of TDS is that it makes one so blissfully self-unaware.

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You trust the system, how are you not opposed to people who want to radically change it?

I don't know how you can rationally trust our system or not want radical change with the massive amount of failures we've encountered as a nation for decades.

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I supported Trump because he seemed to want a return to traditional conservatism, as opposed to the neocon version of the last few decades. Some may consider that radical, but I don't really. I'm against the extreme right, anti-democratic agenda that Trump and his followers increasingly seem to support. There's no need to accept that kind of thing just because you want reform.

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Trump didn't cause J6. Period.

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Trump incited J6. Period.

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You have no evidence of Trump persuading, encouraging, instigating, pressuring, or threatening as to purposely cause another to commit a crime.

You're equating him not trusting the election with the above. That's not incitement under any definition.

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Trump invited rioters to Capitol on Jan 6 ("Big things will happen"). They showed up.
He expressed his disappointment in Pence and later the rioters were chanting "Hang Mike Pence"
He said he would march with the rioters to the Capitol. The rioters marched on the Capitol.

There are many videos of each of the above. If you won't accept video I don't know what to do for evidence.

Trump incited the J6 riot. Period.

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Except for the part that 99.something% of the crowd were not "rioters" but a high percentage of grandmothers and grandfathers who came to engage in first amendment rights of speech and assembly and did not participate in anything illegal.

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Violent but mostly peaceful.

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Rowdy tourist sentenced. Carried a firearm to the Capitol

First Jan. 6 defendant convicted at trial receives longest sentence of 7 years
Guy Reffitt was a recruiter for the Texas Three Percenters who was found guilty of coming armed to the riot, threatening his children and leading a mob that broke in to the U.S. Capitol

The first U.S. Capitol riot defendant convicted at trial was sentenced to more than seven years in prison Monday, the longest punishment handed down to date over the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on Congress.
Guy Reffitt, a recruiter for the right-wing Three Percenters movement in Texas, was convicted March 8 of five felony offenses, including obstruction of Congress as it met to certify the 2020 election result, interfering with police and carrying a firearm to a riot, and threatening his teenage son, who turned him in to the FBI. Prosecutors said Reffitt led a mob while armed at the Capitol and asked a judge to sentence him to 15 years after applying a terrorism sentencing penalty.
U.S. District Judge Dabney L. Friedrich condemned Reffitt's conduct in handing down an 87-month sentence, saying in a nearly six-hour-long hearing that his views espousing political violence were "absurd," "delusional" and "way outside of the mainstream."
Reffitt, who has proclaimed himself a "martyr" from prison, sought to legitimize efforts by himself and others to foment a rebellion against so-called government tyranny, "believing he was going to forcibly remove [state and federal] legislatures and install a new government that will be approved by judges and the Constitution," the judge said.

Reffitt had every right to his political views, to peacefully protest, and to support, vote for and associate with whomever he chose, Friedrich said, "but what Mr. Reffitt and hundreds of other Capitol riot[ers] did not have the right to do is to storm the Capitol, carrying firearms, trespass, refuse law enforcement commands or to resort to violence."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/08/01/reffitt-sentence-jan6/

Texan armed with gun in Jan. 6 riot gets 7 years in prison, most of any rioter so far
Guy Reffitt, 49, of Wylie, was the first Capitol rioter to be convicted at trial. Prosecutors said he played a "central role" by leading the mob to attack and breach the Capitol building.

A North Texas militia member who charged up the U.S. Capitol steps with body armor and a handgun while urging a violent mob forward has been given the longest prison sentence to date of any Jan. 6 rioter.
U.S. District Judge Dabney L. Friedrich, a Donald Trump appointee, sentenced Guy Reffitt, of Wylie, to seven years and two months in prison on Monday in Washington D.C. for his "central role" in the Jan. 6 insurrection, court records show.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/courts/2022/08/01/texan-armed-with-gun-in-jan-6-riot-gets-7-years-in-prison-most-of-any-rioter-so-far/

Waiting for someone to say this was a Trump-hating judge.

I read where this character stated he wanted to drag Pelosi out of Congress by her heels and bumping her head on ever step on the way down.

WOW! Just WOW!. And yet some say this wasn't anarchy? This was Ft Sumpter Part II.

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I read where this character stated he wanted to drag Pelosi out of Congress by her heels and bumping her head on ever step on the way down.

WOW! Just WOW!. And yet some say this wasn't anarchy? This was Ft Sumpter Part II.

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Just rowdy tourist

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Proud Boys leader admits plan to storm Capitol, will testify against others
Charles Donohoe pleaded guilty to conspiracy, acknowledging an attempt to stop congressional confirmation of the electoral college vote
A North Carolina man who was one of the leaders of the far-right Proud Boys as they assaulted the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, pleaded guilty Friday to two felony counts with a minimum sentence of nearly six years in prison, but agreed to cooperate against his co-defendants in hopes of getting a lighter sentence.

Court records filed Friday show he has already provided numerous insights into the group's plans and their intention to disrupt the congressional electoral vote confirmation.
Charles Donohoe, 34, of Kernersville, N.C., admitted to both organizing the pro-Trump attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers. Donohoe is the first charged among six of the Proud Boys' leaders, including longtime chairman Enrique Tarrio, to admit to both organizing an attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers.
Tarrio pleaded not guilty earlier this week to charges of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and six other felonies. He has been ordered held in jail until trial along with six other defendants.
Those other defendants include Donohoe, who has been jailed since March of last year. He pleaded guilty to conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and assaulting police officers.
In December 2020, according to court documents filed Friday, Tarrio appointed Donohue as one of the members of the "Ministry of Self Defense," a leadership group within the Proud Boys making preparations for Jan. 6.
In a newly filed statement of offense, prosecutors said that "Donohoe understood that the purpose of the rally in Washington, D.C., on January 6, 2021, was to stop the certification of the Electoral College vote." The "MOSD" leadership was broken into a three-person "marketing" council, to recruit more members, and an "operations" group. Donohoe was part of the marketing group, the statement of offense says, and it soon expanded to at least 65 members.
As early as Jan. 4, prosecutors said, "Donohoe was aware that members of MOSD leadership were discussing the possibility of storming the Capitol. Donohoe believed that storming the Capitol would achieve the group's goal of stopping the government from carrying out the transfer of presidential power. Donohoe understood that storming the Capitol would be illegal."
Donohoe hadn't planned to be in D.C. on Jan. 6, the statement of offense says. But after Tarrio was arrested on Jan. 4, 2021, for burning a Black Lives Matter banner stolen from a D.C. church, Donohoe decided to travel to Washington because he "believed that Tarrio's arrest could create a leadership void for the MOSD," according to the filing, which is also signed by Donohoe.
On the morning of Jan. 6, the Proud Boys marched away from the Ellipse before President Donald Trump began his speech, and did not return. Instead, they went to the Capitol shortly after 10 a.m., the statement of offense says, and Donohoe posted that his group numbered "200-300 PBs." Co-defendants Ethan Nordean and Joseph Biggs mustered the group, the statement says, and "Donohoe understood that Nordean and Biggs were searching for an opportunity to storm the Capitol."
By 1 p.m., the Proud Boys were being instructed in messages to "Push inside!" Donohoe reposted the message to other group leaders. Donohoe admitted throwing two water bottles at police trying to prevent the mob's advance. At 1:37 p.m., Donohoe took a picture of co-defendant Dominic Pezzola holding a riot shield that had been snatched from police.
Donohoe then found another Proud Boy who "initiated an altercation at the front of the crowd," the statement says. "Donohoe pushed forward to advance up the concrete stairs toward the Capitol. The crowd overwhelmed law enforcement who were attempting to stop their advance." About 140 police officers were injured during the onslaught, and five people died in the attack or immediate aftermath.
Donohoe is the second Proud Boy to agree to testify against his co-defendants. In January, Matthew Greene of Syracuse, N.Y., admitted coordinating with other New York-based members of the extremist group at the front of the Capitol mob and pleaded guilty to felony conspiracy, also hoping for a reduced sentence in exchange for his cooperation. As a result of their deals, no sentencing dates were set for Donohoe or Greene, pending the outcome of their testimony in both trials and grand jury hearings.

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Lock him up. No sympathy or tolerance for this type of behavior. The peaceful transfer of power is what prevents us from being a banana republic.

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Indeed.

How many people were part of the conspiracy, exactly?
Two?
How many more? a third? dozens?
Was there any coordination with any political party or elected officials?
Were there any communications with political parties or elected officials?
What are their funding sources?
Were they doing it on their own nickel, or were they getting support from partisan networks?
Who are their sponsors, defenders in elected office?
It's been 18 months, so we shouldn't have to wait long to know answers to those questions, and more.

This investigation and prosecution will set an important baseline for how to deal with political violence in the future. I eagerly anticipate the outcome, and will in the future expect authorities to apply the standard vigorously, but most of all equally.

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Proud Boys leader admits plan to storm Capitol, will testify against others
Charles Donohoe pleaded guilty to conspiracy, acknowledging an attempt to stop congressional confirmation of the electoral college vote
A North Carolina man who was one of the leaders of the far-right Proud Boys as they assaulted the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, pleaded guilty Friday to two felony counts with a minimum sentence of nearly six years in prison, but agreed to cooperate against his co-defendants in hopes of getting a lighter sentence.

Court records filed Friday show he has already provided numerous insights into the group's plans and their intention to disrupt the congressional electoral vote confirmation.
Charles Donohoe, 34, of Kernersville, N.C., admitted to both organizing the pro-Trump attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers. Donohoe is the first charged among six of the Proud Boys' leaders, including longtime chairman Enrique Tarrio, to admit to both organizing an attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers.
Tarrio pleaded not guilty earlier this week to charges of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and six other felonies. He has been ordered held in jail until trial along with six other defendants.
Those other defendants include Donohoe, who has been jailed since March of last year. He pleaded guilty to conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and assaulting police officers.
In December 2020, according to court documents filed Friday, Tarrio appointed Donohue as one of the members of the "Ministry of Self Defense," a leadership group within the Proud Boys making preparations for Jan. 6.
In a newly filed statement of offense, prosecutors said that "Donohoe understood that the purpose of the rally in Washington, D.C., on January 6, 2021, was to stop the certification of the Electoral College vote." The "MOSD" leadership was broken into a three-person "marketing" council, to recruit more members, and an "operations" group. Donohoe was part of the marketing group, the statement of offense says, and it soon expanded to at least 65 members.
As early as Jan. 4, prosecutors said, "Donohoe was aware that members of MOSD leadership were discussing the possibility of storming the Capitol. Donohoe believed that storming the Capitol would achieve the group's goal of stopping the government from carrying out the transfer of presidential power. Donohoe understood that storming the Capitol would be illegal."
Donohoe hadn't planned to be in D.C. on Jan. 6, the statement of offense says. But after Tarrio was arrested on Jan. 4, 2021, for burning a Black Lives Matter banner stolen from a D.C. church, Donohoe decided to travel to Washington because he "believed that Tarrio's arrest could create a leadership void for the MOSD," according to the filing, which is also signed by Donohoe.
On the morning of Jan. 6, the Proud Boys marched away from the Ellipse before President Donald Trump began his speech, and did not return. Instead, they went to the Capitol shortly after 10 a.m., the statement of offense says, and Donohoe posted that his group numbered "200-300 PBs." Co-defendants Ethan Nordean and Joseph Biggs mustered the group, the statement says, and "Donohoe understood that Nordean and Biggs were searching for an opportunity to storm the Capitol."
By 1 p.m., the Proud Boys were being instructed in messages to "Push inside!" Donohoe reposted the message to other group leaders. Donohoe admitted throwing two water bottles at police trying to prevent the mob's advance. At 1:37 p.m., Donohoe took a picture of co-defendant Dominic Pezzola holding a riot shield that had been snatched from police.
Donohoe then found another Proud Boy who "initiated an altercation at the front of the crowd," the statement says. "Donohoe pushed forward to advance up the concrete stairs toward the Capitol. The crowd overwhelmed law enforcement who were attempting to stop their advance." About 140 police officers were injured during the onslaught, and five people died in the attack or immediate aftermath.
Donohoe is the second Proud Boy to agree to testify against his co-defendants. In January, Matthew Greene of Syracuse, N.Y., admitted coordinating with other New York-based members of the extremist group at the front of the Capitol mob and pleaded guilty to felony conspiracy, also hoping for a reduced sentence in exchange for his cooperation. As a result of their deals, no sentencing dates were set for Donohoe or Greene, pending the outcome of their testimony in both trials and grand jury hearings.

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Lock him up. No sympathy or tolerance for this type of behavior. The peaceful transfer of power is what prevents us from being a banana republic.

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This investigation and prosecution will set an important baseline for how to deal with political violence in the future. I eagerly anticipate the outcome, and will in the future expect authorities to apply the standard vigorously, but most of all equally.

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I agree

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Proud Boys leader admits plan to storm Capitol, will testify against others
Charles Donohoe pleaded guilty to conspiracy, acknowledging an attempt to stop congressional confirmation of the electoral college vote
A North Carolina man who was one of the leaders of the far-right Proud Boys as they assaulted the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, pleaded guilty Friday to two felony counts with a minimum sentence of nearly six years in prison, but agreed to cooperate against his co-defendants in hopes of getting a lighter sentence.

Court records filed Friday show he has already provided numerous insights into the group's plans and their intention to disrupt the congressional electoral vote confirmation.
Charles Donohoe, 34, of Kernersville, N.C., admitted to both organizing the pro-Trump attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers. Donohoe is the first charged among six of the Proud Boys' leaders, including longtime chairman Enrique Tarrio, to admit to both organizing an attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers.
Tarrio pleaded not guilty earlier this week to charges of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and six other felonies. He has been ordered held in jail until trial along with six other defendants.
Those other defendants include Donohoe, who has been jailed since March of last year. He pleaded guilty to conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and assaulting police officers.
In December 2020, according to court documents filed Friday, Tarrio appointed Donohue as one of the members of the "Ministry of Self Defense," a leadership group within the Proud Boys making preparations for Jan. 6.
In a newly filed statement of offense, prosecutors said that "Donohoe understood that the purpose of the rally in Washington, D.C., on January 6, 2021, was to stop the certification of the Electoral College vote." The "MOSD" leadership was broken into a three-person "marketing" council, to recruit more members, and an "operations" group. Donohoe was part of the marketing group, the statement of offense says, and it soon expanded to at least 65 members.
As early as Jan. 4, prosecutors said, "Donohoe was aware that members of MOSD leadership were discussing the possibility of storming the Capitol. Donohoe believed that storming the Capitol would achieve the group's goal of stopping the government from carrying out the transfer of presidential power. Donohoe understood that storming the Capitol would be illegal."
Donohoe hadn't planned to be in D.C. on Jan. 6, the statement of offense says. But after Tarrio was arrested on Jan. 4, 2021, for burning a Black Lives Matter banner stolen from a D.C. church, Donohoe decided to travel to Washington because he "believed that Tarrio's arrest could create a leadership void for the MOSD," according to the filing, which is also signed by Donohoe.
On the morning of Jan. 6, the Proud Boys marched away from the Ellipse before President Donald Trump began his speech, and did not return. Instead, they went to the Capitol shortly after 10 a.m., the statement of offense says, and Donohoe posted that his group numbered "200-300 PBs." Co-defendants Ethan Nordean and Joseph Biggs mustered the group, the statement says, and "Donohoe understood that Nordean and Biggs were searching for an opportunity to storm the Capitol."
By 1 p.m., the Proud Boys were being instructed in messages to "Push inside!" Donohoe reposted the message to other group leaders. Donohoe admitted throwing two water bottles at police trying to prevent the mob's advance. At 1:37 p.m., Donohoe took a picture of co-defendant Dominic Pezzola holding a riot shield that had been snatched from police.
Donohoe then found another Proud Boy who "initiated an altercation at the front of the crowd," the statement says. "Donohoe pushed forward to advance up the concrete stairs toward the Capitol. The crowd overwhelmed law enforcement who were attempting to stop their advance." About 140 police officers were injured during the onslaught, and five people died in the attack or immediate aftermath.
Donohoe is the second Proud Boy to agree to testify against his co-defendants. In January, Matthew Greene of Syracuse, N.Y., admitted coordinating with other New York-based members of the extremist group at the front of the Capitol mob and pleaded guilty to felony conspiracy, also hoping for a reduced sentence in exchange for his cooperation. As a result of their deals, no sentencing dates were set for Donohoe or Greene, pending the outcome of their testimony in both trials and grand jury hearings.

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Lock him up. No sympathy or tolerance for this type of behavior. The peaceful transfer of power is what prevents us from being a banana republic.

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This investigation and prosecution will set an important baseline for how to deal with political violence in the future. I eagerly anticipate the outcome, and will in the future expect authorities to apply the standard vigorously, but most of all equally.

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I agree

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Agreed

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oops!

Proud Boys leader admits plan to storm Capitol, will testify against others
Charles Donohoe pleaded guilty to conspiracy, acknowledging an attempt to stop congressional confirmation of the electoral college vote
A North Carolina man who was one of the leaders of the far-right Proud Boys as they assaulted the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, pleaded guilty Friday to two felony counts with a minimum sentence of nearly six years in prison, but agreed to cooperate against his co-defendants in hopes of getting a lighter sentence.

Court records filed Friday show he has already provided numerous insights into the group's plans and their intention to disrupt the congressional electoral vote confirmation.
Charles Donohoe, 34, of Kernersville, N.C., admitted to both organizing the pro-Trump attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers. Donohoe is the first charged among six of the Proud Boys' leaders, including longtime chairman Enrique Tarrio, to admit to both organizing an attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers.
Tarrio pleaded not guilty earlier this week to charges of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and six other felonies. He has been ordered held in jail until trial along with six other defendants.
Those other defendants include Donohoe, who has been jailed since March of last year. He pleaded guilty to conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and assaulting police officers.
In December 2020, according to court documents filed Friday, Tarrio appointed Donohue as one of the members of the "Ministry of Self Defense," a leadership group within the Proud Boys making preparations for Jan. 6.
In a newly filed statement of offense, prosecutors said that "Donohoe understood that the purpose of the rally in Washington, D.C., on January 6, 2021, was to stop the certification of the Electoral College vote." The "MOSD" leadership was broken into a three-person "marketing" council, to recruit more members, and an "operations" group. Donohoe was part of the marketing group, the statement of offense says, and it soon expanded to at least 65 members.
As early as Jan. 4, prosecutors said, "Donohoe was aware that members of MOSD leadership were discussing the possibility of storming the Capitol. Donohoe believed that storming the Capitol would achieve the group's goal of stopping the government from carrying out the transfer of presidential power. Donohoe understood that storming the Capitol would be illegal."
Donohoe hadn't planned to be in D.C. on Jan. 6, the statement of offense says. But after Tarrio was arrested on Jan. 4, 2021, for burning a Black Lives Matter banner stolen from a D.C. church, Donohoe decided to travel to Washington because he "believed that Tarrio's arrest could create a leadership void for the MOSD," according to the filing, which is also signed by Donohoe.
On the morning of Jan. 6, the Proud Boys marched away from the Ellipse before President Donald Trump began his speech, and did not return. Instead, they went to the Capitol shortly after 10 a.m., the statement of offense says, and Donohoe posted that his group numbered "200-300 PBs." Co-defendants Ethan Nordean and Joseph Biggs mustered the group, the statement says, and "Donohoe understood that Nordean and Biggs were searching for an opportunity to storm the Capitol."
By 1 p.m., the Proud Boys were being instructed in messages to "Push inside!" Donohoe reposted the message to other group leaders. Donohoe admitted throwing two water bottles at police trying to prevent the mob's advance. At 1:37 p.m., Donohoe took a picture of co-defendant Dominic Pezzola holding a riot shield that had been snatched from police.
Donohoe then found another Proud Boy who "initiated an altercation at the front of the crowd," the statement says. "Donohoe pushed forward to advance up the concrete stairs toward the Capitol. The crowd overwhelmed law enforcement who were attempting to stop their advance." About 140 police officers were injured during the onslaught, and five people died in the attack or immediate aftermath.
Donohoe is the second Proud Boy to agree to testify against his co-defendants. In January, Matthew Greene of Syracuse, N.Y., admitted coordinating with other New York-based members of the extremist group at the front of the Capitol mob and pleaded guilty to felony conspiracy, also hoping for a reduced sentence in exchange for his cooperation. As a result of their deals, no sentencing dates were set for Donohoe or Greene, pending the outcome of their testimony in both trials and grand jury hearings.

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Lock him up. No sympathy or tolerance for this type of behavior. The peaceful transfer of power is what prevents us from being a banana republic.

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Indeed.

How many people were part of the conspiracy, exactly?
Two?
How many more? a third? dozens?
Was there any coordination with any political party or elected officials?
Were there any communications with political parties or elected officials?
What are their funding sources?
Were they doing it on their own nickel, or were they getting support from partisan networks?
Who are their sponsors, defenders in elected office?
It's been 18 months, so we shouldn't have to wait long to know answers to those questions, and more.

This investigation and prosecution will set an important baseline for how to deal with political violence in the future. I eagerly anticipate the outcome, and will in the future expect authorities to apply the standard vigorously, but most of all equally.

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Proud Boy who came within seconds of Sen. Schumer on January 6 sentenced to 55 months in prison

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(CNN)Joshua Pruitt, the Proud Boy who nearly came face-to-face with then-Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer during the attack of the US Capitol on January 6, 2021, was sentenced to four years and seven months behind bars for his role in obstructing the certification of the electoral college vote that day.
"You were at the forefront of that mob," Judge Timothy Kelly said before handing down his sentence Monday, adding that Pruitt and the mob's actions that day "snapped our previously unbroken tradition of the peaceful transition of power."
Pruitt, who pleaded guilty in early June to obstructing an official proceeding, was part of a Proud Boys group message where members discussed plans to march to the Capitol and use violence on January 6, according to prosecutors.
"Their plans were not limited to fighting Antifa: they anticipated going to the Capitol to stop the certification of the election and confronting police who might try to stand in their way," prosecutors wrote in court documents.
At the time of the riot, Pruitt was merely a recruit waiting to be officially inducted in the far-right group.
"To join the Proud Boys, the defendant would do whatever it takes," one of the prosecutors, Alexis Jane Loeb, told Kelly during the sentencing hearing.

During the attack, Pruitt was one of the first of the mob to enter several areas of the Capitol and destroyed a large sign in the building, throwing it across a room, which prosecutors argued was meant to stir up the mob inside
Schumer's protective detail told prosecutors that they had to change their evacuation plan when they saw Pruitt in the building, who was just four or five seconds from the senator. Instead of exiting through an elevator, Schumer and his detail ran down a ramp and shut the double doors behind them, prosecutors say.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/29/politics/joshua-pruitt-rioter-proud-boys-sentenced/index.html