Because the thread title says "Proud Boys," we can't talk about Trump pardoning rioters?Oldbear83 said:Read the thread title, Sam. %A0 It's implied by posting the quote here. %A0Sam Lowry said:When did he say they were?Oldbear83 said:Repeat it all you want, the words "Proud Boys" just are not there.Osodecentx said:Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.Oldbear83 said:Doesn't work that way.Osodecentx said:Please help! %A0I'm looking for the statement where Dear Leader said he wouldn't pardon the Proud BoysOldbear83 said:Cute, but only a very small portion of the people involved in Jan. 6 were Proud Boys, and again, Trump never specified Proud Boys.Osodecentx said:Each post above says Trump will pardon Jan 6 rioters. %A0Many of Jan 6 rioters are Proud Boys. %A0Hence Proud Boys convicted of Jan 6 violations will be pardoned by Trump.Oldbear83 said:Osodecentx said:This is a foretaste of the 24 election if Trump is the nominee. %A0Instead of discussing Biden's actions and policies, we'll argue about whether Jan 6 insurrection was a riot and should pardons be given to the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. %A0Like you said, a special kind of stupidOldbear83 said:Dude, it's Politico. %A0If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'Osodecentx said:Like you said, a special kind of stupid.Oldbear83 said:You sure he said that? %A0Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.Osodecentx said:
They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. %A0Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.
Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.
"Another thing we'll do %A0and so many people have been asking me about it %A0if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."
The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 %A0baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."
Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450
Trump says he will 'very, very seriously' consider January 6 pardons if he runs and wins in 2024
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/01/30/trump-rally-video-january-6-rioters-newday-vpx.cnn
Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/01/trump-jan-6-rioters-pardon/
Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
Trump says he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he runs and wins
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-pardon-jan-6-rioters-if-he-runs-wins-2022-01-30/
This thread is about the Proud Boys. %A0 I don't see even one quote from Trump about pardoning the Proud Boys.
So you continue to deliberately posit a false claim.
Take the loss and move on. %A0 You can't make your claim true Oso, you are damn well caught in a lie and we both know it.
Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.
The former president made the remarks to a conservative radio host Thursday morning as he weighs a third consecutive run for the White House while under dueling investigations by the feds for his role in the riots and classified materials seized from his Florida home.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
"I met with and I'm financially supporting people that are incredible," he said, referring to some of the more than 800 people that have been charged in the violent breach.
"And they were in my office actually two days ago. It's very much on my mind. It's a disgrace what they've done to them. What they've done to these people, it's disgraceful.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
Your contention, from your posts, is that he said he would,
No such statement exists, yet you continue %A0to post quotes which do not say what you claim.
Ergo, you are caught in a lie.
After all, I never heard you say you would not rape or murder anyone, but it's not reasonable to demand you do.
Context matters. %A0So does honesty. %A0You and Sam failed on both counts.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
And his squirming efforts to pretend Trump said something he did not in subsequent posts is more than a little obvious anyway.
But out of curiosity, what did you get when you sold your soul? %A0 It doesn't seem to me that you got the better bargain.
Proud Boys leader admits plan to storm Capitol, will testify against others
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Nice try Sam, but you're well caught this time.Sam Lowry said:Because the thread title says "Proud Boys," we can't talk about Trump pardoning rioters?Oldbear83 said:Read the thread title, Sam. %A0 It's implied by posting the quote here. %A0Sam Lowry said:When did he say they were?Oldbear83 said:Repeat it all you want, the words "Proud Boys" just are not there.Osodecentx said:Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.Oldbear83 said:Doesn't work that way.Osodecentx said:Please help! %A0I'm looking for the statement where Dear Leader said he wouldn't pardon the Proud BoysOldbear83 said:Cute, but only a very small portion of the people involved in Jan. 6 were Proud Boys, and again, Trump never specified Proud Boys.Osodecentx said:Each post above says Trump will pardon Jan 6 rioters. %A0Many of Jan 6 rioters are Proud Boys. %A0Hence Proud Boys convicted of Jan 6 violations will be pardoned by Trump.Oldbear83 said:Osodecentx said:This is a foretaste of the 24 election if Trump is the nominee. %A0Instead of discussing Biden's actions and policies, we'll argue about whether Jan 6 insurrection was a riot and should pardons be given to the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. %A0Like you said, a special kind of stupidOldbear83 said:Dude, it's Politico. %A0If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'Osodecentx said:Like you said, a special kind of stupid.Oldbear83 said:You sure he said that? %A0Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.Osodecentx said:
They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. %A0Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.
Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.
"Another thing we'll do %A0and so many people have been asking me about it %A0if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."
The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 %A0baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."
Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450
Trump says he will 'very, very seriously' consider January 6 pardons if he runs and wins in 2024
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/01/30/trump-rally-video-january-6-rioters-newday-vpx.cnn
Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/01/trump-jan-6-rioters-pardon/
Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
Trump says he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he runs and wins
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-pardon-jan-6-rioters-if-he-runs-wins-2022-01-30/
This thread is about the Proud Boys. %A0 I don't see even one quote from Trump about pardoning the Proud Boys.
So you continue to deliberately posit a false claim.
Take the loss and move on. %A0 You can't make your claim true Oso, you are damn well caught in a lie and we both know it.
Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.
The former president made the remarks to a conservative radio host Thursday morning as he weighs a third consecutive run for the White House while under dueling investigations by the feds for his role in the riots and classified materials seized from his Florida home.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
"I met with and I'm financially supporting people that are incredible," he said, referring to some of the more than 800 people that have been charged in the violent breach.
"And they were in my office actually two days ago. It's very much on my mind. It's a disgrace what they've done to them. What they've done to these people, it's disgraceful.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
Your contention, from your posts, is that he said he would,
No such statement exists, yet you continue %A0to post quotes which do not say what you claim.
Ergo, you are caught in a lie.
After all, I never heard you say you would not rape or murder anyone, but it's not reasonable to demand you do.
Context matters. %A0So does honesty. %A0You and Sam failed on both counts.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
And his squirming efforts to pretend Trump said something he did not in subsequent posts is more than a little obvious anyway.
But out of curiosity, what did you get when you sold your soul? %A0 It doesn't seem to me that you got the better bargain.
Trump never mentioned the PB, no matter how hard you and Oso try to sell that lie.
But please keep trying, it's getting funnier and funnier watching you wriggle.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Who said he did?Oldbear83 said:Nice try Sam, but you're well caught this time.Sam Lowry said:Because the thread title says "Proud Boys," we can't talk about Trump pardoning rioters?Oldbear83 said:Read the thread title, Sam. %A0 It's implied by posting the quote here. %A0Sam Lowry said:When did he say they were?Oldbear83 said:Repeat it all you want, the words "Proud Boys" just are not there.Osodecentx said:Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.Oldbear83 said:Doesn't work that way.Osodecentx said:Please help! %A0I'm looking for the statement where Dear Leader said he wouldn't pardon the Proud BoysOldbear83 said:Cute, but only a very small portion of the people involved in Jan. 6 were Proud Boys, and again, Trump never specified Proud Boys.Osodecentx said:Each post above says Trump will pardon Jan 6 rioters. %A0Many of Jan 6 rioters are Proud Boys. %A0Hence Proud Boys convicted of Jan 6 violations will be pardoned by Trump.Oldbear83 said:Osodecentx said:This is a foretaste of the 24 election if Trump is the nominee. %A0Instead of discussing Biden's actions and policies, we'll argue about whether Jan 6 insurrection was a riot and should pardons be given to the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. %A0Like you said, a special kind of stupidOldbear83 said:Dude, it's Politico. %A0If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'Osodecentx said:Like you said, a special kind of stupid.Oldbear83 said:You sure he said that? %A0Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.Osodecentx said:
They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. %A0Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.
Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.
"Another thing we'll do %A0and so many people have been asking me about it %A0if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."
The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 %A0baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."
Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450
Trump says he will 'very, very seriously' consider January 6 pardons if he runs and wins in 2024
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/01/30/trump-rally-video-january-6-rioters-newday-vpx.cnn
Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/01/trump-jan-6-rioters-pardon/
Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
Trump says he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he runs and wins
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-pardon-jan-6-rioters-if-he-runs-wins-2022-01-30/
This thread is about the Proud Boys. %A0 I don't see even one quote from Trump about pardoning the Proud Boys.
So you continue to deliberately posit a false claim.
Take the loss and move on. %A0 You can't make your claim true Oso, you are damn well caught in a lie and we both know it.
Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.
The former president made the remarks to a conservative radio host Thursday morning as he weighs a third consecutive run for the White House while under dueling investigations by the feds for his role in the riots and classified materials seized from his Florida home.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
"I met with and I'm financially supporting people that are incredible," he said, referring to some of the more than 800 people that have been charged in the violent breach.
"And they were in my office actually two days ago. It's very much on my mind. It's a disgrace what they've done to them. What they've done to these people, it's disgraceful.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
Your contention, from your posts, is that he said he would,
No such statement exists, yet you continue %A0to post quotes which do not say what you claim.
Ergo, you are caught in a lie.
After all, I never heard you say you would not rape or murder anyone, but it's not reasonable to demand you do.
Context matters. %A0So does honesty. %A0You and Sam failed on both counts.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
And his squirming efforts to pretend Trump said something he did not in subsequent posts is more than a little obvious anyway.
But out of curiosity, what did you get when you sold your soul? %A0 It doesn't seem to me that you got the better bargain.
Trump never mentioned the PB, no matter how hard you and Oso try to sell that lie.
But please keep trying, it's getting funnier and funnier watching you wriggle.
A bit late to play that card, when anyone can read this thread and see what you and Oso were selling.Sam Lowry said:Who said he did?Oldbear83 said:Nice try Sam, but you're well caught this time.Sam Lowry said:Because the thread title says "Proud Boys," we can't talk about Trump pardoning rioters?Oldbear83 said:Read the thread title, Sam. %A0 It's implied by posting the quote here. %A0Sam Lowry said:When did he say they were?Oldbear83 said:Repeat it all you want, the words "Proud Boys" just are not there.Osodecentx said:Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.Oldbear83 said:Doesn't work that way.Osodecentx said:Please help! %A0I'm looking for the statement where Dear Leader said he wouldn't pardon the Proud BoysOldbear83 said:Cute, but only a very small portion of the people involved in Jan. 6 were Proud Boys, and again, Trump never specified Proud Boys.Osodecentx said:Each post above says Trump will pardon Jan 6 rioters. %A0Many of Jan 6 rioters are Proud Boys. %A0Hence Proud Boys convicted of Jan 6 violations will be pardoned by Trump.Oldbear83 said:Osodecentx said:This is a foretaste of the 24 election if Trump is the nominee. %A0Instead of discussing Biden's actions and policies, we'll argue about whether Jan 6 insurrection was a riot and should pardons be given to the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. %A0Like you said, a special kind of stupidOldbear83 said:Dude, it's Politico. %A0If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'Osodecentx said:Like you said, a special kind of stupid.Oldbear83 said:You sure he said that? %A0Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.Osodecentx said:
They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. %A0Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.
Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.
"Another thing we'll do %A0and so many people have been asking me about it %A0if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."
The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 %A0baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."
Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450
Trump says he will 'very, very seriously' consider January 6 pardons if he runs and wins in 2024
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/01/30/trump-rally-video-january-6-rioters-newday-vpx.cnn
Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/01/trump-jan-6-rioters-pardon/
Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
Trump says he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he runs and wins
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-pardon-jan-6-rioters-if-he-runs-wins-2022-01-30/
This thread is about the Proud Boys. %A0 I don't see even one quote from Trump about pardoning the Proud Boys.
So you continue to deliberately posit a false claim.
Take the loss and move on. %A0 You can't make your claim true Oso, you are damn well caught in a lie and we both know it.
Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.
The former president made the remarks to a conservative radio host Thursday morning as he weighs a third consecutive run for the White House while under dueling investigations by the feds for his role in the riots and classified materials seized from his Florida home.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
"I met with and I'm financially supporting people that are incredible," he said, referring to some of the more than 800 people that have been charged in the violent breach.
"And they were in my office actually two days ago. It's very much on my mind. It's a disgrace what they've done to them. What they've done to these people, it's disgraceful.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
Your contention, from your posts, is that he said he would,
No such statement exists, yet you continue %A0to post quotes which do not say what you claim.
Ergo, you are caught in a lie.
After all, I never heard you say you would not rape or murder anyone, but it's not reasonable to demand you do.
Context matters. %A0So does honesty. %A0You and Sam failed on both counts.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
And his squirming efforts to pretend Trump said something he did not in subsequent posts is more than a little obvious anyway.
But out of curiosity, what did you get when you sold your soul? %A0 It doesn't seem to me that you got the better bargain.
Trump never mentioned the PB, no matter how hard you and Oso try to sell that lie.
But please keep trying, it's getting funnier and funnier watching you wriggle.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
In other words, no one did. But I will tell you something you don't seem to have figured out yet. By the time Trump gets around to pardoning anyone, it won't be people who are still serving time for trespassing.Oldbear83 said:A bit late to play that card, when anyone can read this thread and see what you and Oso were selling.Sam Lowry said:Who said he did?Oldbear83 said:Nice try Sam, but you're well caught this time.Sam Lowry said:Because the thread title says "Proud Boys," we can't talk about Trump pardoning rioters?Oldbear83 said:Read the thread title, Sam. %A0 It's implied by posting the quote here. %A0Sam Lowry said:When did he say they were?Oldbear83 said:Repeat it all you want, the words "Proud Boys" just are not there.Osodecentx said:Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.Oldbear83 said:Doesn't work that way.Osodecentx said:Please help! %A0I'm looking for the statement where Dear Leader said he wouldn't pardon the Proud BoysOldbear83 said:Cute, but only a very small portion of the people involved in Jan. 6 were Proud Boys, and again, Trump never specified Proud Boys.Osodecentx said:Each post above says Trump will pardon Jan 6 rioters. %A0Many of Jan 6 rioters are Proud Boys. %A0Hence Proud Boys convicted of Jan 6 violations will be pardoned by Trump.Oldbear83 said:Osodecentx said:This is a foretaste of the 24 election if Trump is the nominee. %A0Instead of discussing Biden's actions and policies, we'll argue about whether Jan 6 insurrection was a riot and should pardons be given to the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. %A0Like you said, a special kind of stupidOldbear83 said:Dude, it's Politico. %A0If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'Osodecentx said:Like you said, a special kind of stupid.Oldbear83 said:You sure he said that? %A0Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.Osodecentx said:
They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. %A0Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.
Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.
"Another thing we'll do %A0and so many people have been asking me about it %A0if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."
The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 %A0baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."
Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450
Trump says he will 'very, very seriously' consider January 6 pardons if he runs and wins in 2024
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/01/30/trump-rally-video-january-6-rioters-newday-vpx.cnn
Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/01/trump-jan-6-rioters-pardon/
Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
Trump says he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he runs and wins
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-pardon-jan-6-rioters-if-he-runs-wins-2022-01-30/
This thread is about the Proud Boys. %A0 I don't see even one quote from Trump about pardoning the Proud Boys.
So you continue to deliberately posit a false claim.
Take the loss and move on. %A0 You can't make your claim true Oso, you are damn well caught in a lie and we both know it.
Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.
The former president made the remarks to a conservative radio host Thursday morning as he weighs a third consecutive run for the White House while under dueling investigations by the feds for his role in the riots and classified materials seized from his Florida home.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
"I met with and I'm financially supporting people that are incredible," he said, referring to some of the more than 800 people that have been charged in the violent breach.
"And they were in my office actually two days ago. It's very much on my mind. It's a disgrace what they've done to them. What they've done to these people, it's disgraceful.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
Your contention, from your posts, is that he said he would,
No such statement exists, yet you continue %A0to post quotes which do not say what you claim.
Ergo, you are caught in a lie.
After all, I never heard you say you would not rape or murder anyone, but it's not reasonable to demand you do.
Context matters. %A0So does honesty. %A0You and Sam failed on both counts.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
And his squirming efforts to pretend Trump said something he did not in subsequent posts is more than a little obvious anyway.
But out of curiosity, what did you get when you sold your soul? %A0 It doesn't seem to me that you got the better bargain.
Trump never mentioned the PB, no matter how hard you and Oso try to sell that lie.
But please keep trying, it's getting funnier and funnier watching you wriggle.
Pure Lowry duck and shuck.Sam Lowry said:In other words, no one did. But I will tell you something you don't seem to have figured out yet. By the time Trump gets around to pardoning anyone, it won't be people who are still serving time for trespassing.Oldbear83 said:A bit late to play that card, when anyone can read this thread and see what you and Oso were selling.Sam Lowry said:Who said he did?Oldbear83 said:Nice try Sam, but you're well caught this time.Sam Lowry said:Because the thread title says "Proud Boys," we can't talk about Trump pardoning rioters?Oldbear83 said:Read the thread title, Sam. %A0 It's implied by posting the quote here. %A0Sam Lowry said:When did he say they were?Oldbear83 said:Repeat it all you want, the words "Proud Boys" just are not there.Osodecentx said:Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.Oldbear83 said:Doesn't work that way.Osodecentx said:Please help! %A0I'm looking for the statement where Dear Leader said he wouldn't pardon the Proud BoysOldbear83 said:Cute, but only a very small portion of the people involved in Jan. 6 were Proud Boys, and again, Trump never specified Proud Boys.Osodecentx said:Each post above says Trump will pardon Jan 6 rioters. %A0Many of Jan 6 rioters are Proud Boys. %A0Hence Proud Boys convicted of Jan 6 violations will be pardoned by Trump.Oldbear83 said:Osodecentx said:This is a foretaste of the 24 election if Trump is the nominee. %A0Instead of discussing Biden's actions and policies, we'll argue about whether Jan 6 insurrection was a riot and should pardons be given to the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. %A0Like you said, a special kind of stupidOldbear83 said:Dude, it's Politico. %A0If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'Osodecentx said:Like you said, a special kind of stupid.Oldbear83 said:You sure he said that? %A0Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.Osodecentx said:
They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. %A0Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.
Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.
"Another thing we'll do %A0and so many people have been asking me about it %A0if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."
The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 %A0baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."
Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450
Trump says he will 'very, very seriously' consider January 6 pardons if he runs and wins in 2024
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/01/30/trump-rally-video-january-6-rioters-newday-vpx.cnn
Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/01/trump-jan-6-rioters-pardon/
Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
Trump says he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he runs and wins
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-pardon-jan-6-rioters-if-he-runs-wins-2022-01-30/
This thread is about the Proud Boys. %A0 I don't see even one quote from Trump about pardoning the Proud Boys.
So you continue to deliberately posit a false claim.
Take the loss and move on. %A0 You can't make your claim true Oso, you are damn well caught in a lie and we both know it.
Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.
The former president made the remarks to a conservative radio host Thursday morning as he weighs a third consecutive run for the White House while under dueling investigations by the feds for his role in the riots and classified materials seized from his Florida home.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
"I met with and I'm financially supporting people that are incredible," he said, referring to some of the more than 800 people that have been charged in the violent breach.
"And they were in my office actually two days ago. It's very much on my mind. It's a disgrace what they've done to them. What they've done to these people, it's disgraceful.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
Your contention, from your posts, is that he said he would,
No such statement exists, yet you continue %A0to post quotes which do not say what you claim.
Ergo, you are caught in a lie.
After all, I never heard you say you would not rape or murder anyone, but it's not reasonable to demand you do.
Context matters. %A0So does honesty. %A0You and Sam failed on both counts.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
And his squirming efforts to pretend Trump said something he did not in subsequent posts is more than a little obvious anyway.
But out of curiosity, what did you get when you sold your soul? %A0 It doesn't seem to me that you got the better bargain.
Trump never mentioned the PB, no matter how hard you and Oso try to sell that lie.
But please keep trying, it's getting funnier and funnier watching you wriggle.
Lose, deny, repeat.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
.990Oldbear83 said:Pure Lowry duck and shuck.Sam Lowry said:In other words, no one did. But I will tell you something you don't seem to have figured out yet. By the time Trump gets around to pardoning anyone, it won't be people who are still serving time for trespassing.Oldbear83 said:A bit late to play that card, when anyone can read this thread and see what you and Oso were selling.Sam Lowry said:Who said he did?Oldbear83 said:Nice try Sam, but you're well caught this time.Sam Lowry said:Because the thread title says "Proud Boys," we can't talk about Trump pardoning rioters?Oldbear83 said:Read the thread title, Sam. %A0 It's implied by posting the quote here. %A0Sam Lowry said:When did he say they were?Oldbear83 said:Repeat it all you want, the words "Proud Boys" just are not there.Osodecentx said:Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.Oldbear83 said:Doesn't work that way.Osodecentx said:Please help! %A0I'm looking for the statement where Dear Leader said he wouldn't pardon the Proud BoysOldbear83 said:Cute, but only a very small portion of the people involved in Jan. 6 were Proud Boys, and again, Trump never specified Proud Boys.Osodecentx said:Each post above says Trump will pardon Jan 6 rioters. %A0Many of Jan 6 rioters are Proud Boys. %A0Hence Proud Boys convicted of Jan 6 violations will be pardoned by Trump.Oldbear83 said:Osodecentx said:This is a foretaste of the 24 election if Trump is the nominee. %A0Instead of discussing Biden's actions and policies, we'll argue about whether Jan 6 insurrection was a riot and should pardons be given to the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. %A0Like you said, a special kind of stupidOldbear83 said:Dude, it's Politico. %A0If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'Osodecentx said:Like you said, a special kind of stupid.Oldbear83 said:You sure he said that? %A0Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.Osodecentx said:
They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. %A0Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.
Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.
"Another thing we'll do %A0and so many people have been asking me about it %A0if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."
The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 %A0baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."
Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450
Trump says he will 'very, very seriously' consider January 6 pardons if he runs and wins in 2024
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/01/30/trump-rally-video-january-6-rioters-newday-vpx.cnn
Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/01/trump-jan-6-rioters-pardon/
Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
Trump says he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he runs and wins
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-pardon-jan-6-rioters-if-he-runs-wins-2022-01-30/
This thread is about the Proud Boys. %A0 I don't see even one quote from Trump about pardoning the Proud Boys.
So you continue to deliberately posit a false claim.
Take the loss and move on. %A0 You can't make your claim true Oso, you are damn well caught in a lie and we both know it.
Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.
The former president made the remarks to a conservative radio host Thursday morning as he weighs a third consecutive run for the White House while under dueling investigations by the feds for his role in the riots and classified materials seized from his Florida home.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
"I met with and I'm financially supporting people that are incredible," he said, referring to some of the more than 800 people that have been charged in the violent breach.
"And they were in my office actually two days ago. It's very much on my mind. It's a disgrace what they've done to them. What they've done to these people, it's disgraceful.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
Your contention, from your posts, is that he said he would,
No such statement exists, yet you continue %A0to post quotes which do not say what you claim.
Ergo, you are caught in a lie.
After all, I never heard you say you would not rape or murder anyone, but it's not reasonable to demand you do.
Context matters. %A0So does honesty. %A0You and Sam failed on both counts.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
And his squirming efforts to pretend Trump said something he did not in subsequent posts is more than a little obvious anyway.
But out of curiosity, what did you get when you sold your soul? %A0 It doesn't seem to me that you got the better bargain.
Trump never mentioned the PB, no matter how hard you and Oso try to sell that lie.
But please keep trying, it's getting funnier and funnier watching you wriggle.
Lose, deny, repeat.
No, you are.Osodecentx said:Quote:Reading comprehension drill: read the first sentence in bold (yours) and compare it to the actual statement made by Trump (last sentence in bold). He did not say what you think he said.Quote:Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.Quote:Doesn't work that way.Quote:Please help! I'm looking for the statement where Dear Leader said he wouldn't pardon the Proud BoysQuote:Cute, but only a very small portion of the people involved in Jan. 6 were Proud Boys, and again, Trump never specified Proud Boys.Quote:Each post above says Trump will pardon Jan 6 rioters. Many of Jan 6 rioters are Proud Boys. Hence Proud Boys convicted of Jan 6 violations will be pardoned by Trump.Quote:Quote:This is a foretaste of the 24 election if Trump is the nominee. Instead of discussing Biden's actions and policies, we'll argue about whether Jan 6 insurrection was a riot and should pardons be given to the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. Like you said, a special kind of stupidQuote:
Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'
Trump says he will 'very, very seriously' consider January 6 pardons if he runs and wins in 2024
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/01/30/trump-rally-video-january-6-rioters-newday-vpx.cnn
Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/01/trump-jan-6-rioters-pardon/
Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
Trump says he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he runs and wins
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-pardon-jan-6-rioters-if-he-runs-wins-2022-01-30/
This thread is about the Proud Boys. I don't see even one quote from Trump about pardoning the Proud Boys.
So you continue to deliberately posit a false claim.
Take the loss and move on. You can't make your claim true Oso, you are damn well caught in a lie and we both know it.
Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.
The former president made the remarks to a conservative radio host Thursday morning as he weighs a third consecutive run for the White House while under dueling investigations by the feds for his role in the riots and classified materials seized from his Florida home.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
"I met with and I'm financially supporting people that are incredible," he said, referring to some of the more than 800 people that have been charged in the violent breach.
"And they were in my office actually two days ago. It's very much on my mind. It's a disgrace what they've done to them. What they've done to these people, it's disgraceful.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
Your contention, from your posts, is that he said he would,
No such statement exists, yet you continue to post quotes which do not say what you claim.
Ergo, you are caught in a lie.
After all, I never heard you say you would not rape or murder anyone, but it's not reasonable to demand you do.
Context matters. So does honesty. You and Sam failed on both counts.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
And instead of talking about Biden we're talking about Proud Boys
Who is Trump sending money to?
Only you think this excludes PBOldbear83 said:Repeat it all you want, the words "Proud Boys" just are not there.Osodecentx said:Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.Oldbear83 said:Doesn't work that way.Osodecentx said:Please help! I'm looking for the statement where Dear Leader said he wouldn't pardon the Proud BoysOldbear83 said:Cute, but only a very small portion of the people involved in Jan. 6 were Proud Boys, and again, Trump never specified Proud Boys.Osodecentx said:Each post above says Trump will pardon Jan 6 rioters. Many of Jan 6 rioters are Proud Boys. Hence Proud Boys convicted of Jan 6 violations will be pardoned by Trump.Oldbear83 said:Osodecentx said:This is a foretaste of the 24 election if Trump is the nominee. Instead of discussing Biden's actions and policies, we'll argue about whether Jan 6 insurrection was a riot and should pardons be given to the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. Like you said, a special kind of stupidOldbear83 said:Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'Osodecentx said:Like you said, a special kind of stupid.Oldbear83 said:You sure he said that? Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.Osodecentx said:
They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.
Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.
"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."
The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."
Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450
Trump says he will 'very, very seriously' consider January 6 pardons if he runs and wins in 2024
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/01/30/trump-rally-video-january-6-rioters-newday-vpx.cnn
Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/01/trump-jan-6-rioters-pardon/
Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
Trump says he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he runs and wins
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-pardon-jan-6-rioters-if-he-runs-wins-2022-01-30/
This thread is about the Proud Boys. I don't see even one quote from Trump about pardoning the Proud Boys.
So you continue to deliberately posit a false claim.
Take the loss and move on. You can't make your claim true Oso, you are damn well caught in a lie and we both know it.
Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.
The former president made the remarks to a conservative radio host Thursday morning as he weighs a third consecutive run for the White House while under dueling investigations by the feds for his role in the riots and classified materials seized from his Florida home.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
"I met with and I'm financially supporting people that are incredible," he said, referring to some of the more than 800 people that have been charged in the violent breach.
"And they were in my office actually two days ago. It's very much on my mind. It's a disgrace what they've done to them. What they've done to these people, it's disgraceful.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
Your contention, from your posts, is that he said he would,
No such statement exists, yet you continue to post quotes which do not say what you claim.
Ergo, you are caught in a lie.
After all, I never heard you say you would not rape or murder anyone, but it's not reasonable to demand you do.
Context matters. So does honesty. You and Sam failed on both counts.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
Take the loss like a man, be better, and move on.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
Show me where he said "Proud Boys', or you're still caught in a lie, boyo.Osodecentx said:Only you think this excludes PBOldbear83 said:Repeat it all you want, the words "Proud Boys" just are not there.Osodecentx said:Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.Oldbear83 said:Doesn't work that way.Osodecentx said:Please help! I'm looking for the statement where Dear Leader said he wouldn't pardon the Proud BoysOldbear83 said:Cute, but only a very small portion of the people involved in Jan. 6 were Proud Boys, and again, Trump never specified Proud Boys.Osodecentx said:Each post above says Trump will pardon Jan 6 rioters. Many of Jan 6 rioters are Proud Boys. Hence Proud Boys convicted of Jan 6 violations will be pardoned by Trump.Oldbear83 said:Osodecentx said:This is a foretaste of the 24 election if Trump is the nominee. Instead of discussing Biden's actions and policies, we'll argue about whether Jan 6 insurrection was a riot and should pardons be given to the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. Like you said, a special kind of stupidOldbear83 said:Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'Osodecentx said:Like you said, a special kind of stupid.Oldbear83 said:You sure he said that? Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.Osodecentx said:
They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.
Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.
"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."
The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."
Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450
Trump says he will 'very, very seriously' consider January 6 pardons if he runs and wins in 2024
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/01/30/trump-rally-video-january-6-rioters-newday-vpx.cnn
Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/01/trump-jan-6-rioters-pardon/
Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
Trump says he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he runs and wins
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-pardon-jan-6-rioters-if-he-runs-wins-2022-01-30/
This thread is about the Proud Boys. I don't see even one quote from Trump about pardoning the Proud Boys.
So you continue to deliberately posit a false claim.
Take the loss and move on. You can't make your claim true Oso, you are damn well caught in a lie and we both know it.
Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.
The former president made the remarks to a conservative radio host Thursday morning as he weighs a third consecutive run for the White House while under dueling investigations by the feds for his role in the riots and classified materials seized from his Florida home.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
"I met with and I'm financially supporting people that are incredible," he said, referring to some of the more than 800 people that have been charged in the violent breach.
"And they were in my office actually two days ago. It's very much on my mind. It's a disgrace what they've done to them. What they've done to these people, it's disgraceful.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
Your contention, from your posts, is that he said he would,
No such statement exists, yet you continue to post quotes which do not say what you claim.
Ergo, you are caught in a lie.
After all, I never heard you say you would not rape or murder anyone, but it's not reasonable to demand you do.
Context matters. So does honesty. You and Sam failed on both counts.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
Take the loss like a man, be better, and move on.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
"Self-serving excuses from Old "Brownshirt" Bear."Oldbear83 said:Show me where he said "Proud Boys', or you're still caught in a lie, boyo.Osodecentx said:Only you think this excludes PBOldbear83 said:Repeat it all you want, the words "Proud Boys" just are not there.Osodecentx said:Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.Oldbear83 said:Doesn't work that way.Osodecentx said:Please help! I'm looking for the statement where Dear Leader said he wouldn't pardon the Proud BoysOldbear83 said:Cute, but only a very small portion of the people involved in Jan. 6 were Proud Boys, and again, Trump never specified Proud Boys.Osodecentx said:Each post above says Trump will pardon Jan 6 rioters. Many of Jan 6 rioters are Proud Boys. Hence Proud Boys convicted of Jan 6 violations will be pardoned by Trump.Oldbear83 said:Osodecentx said:This is a foretaste of the 24 election if Trump is the nominee. Instead of discussing Biden's actions and policies, we'll argue about whether Jan 6 insurrection was a riot and should pardons be given to the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. Like you said, a special kind of stupidOldbear83 said:Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'Osodecentx said:Like you said, a special kind of stupid.Oldbear83 said:You sure he said that? Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.Osodecentx said:
They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.
Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.
"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."
The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."
Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450
Trump says he will 'very, very seriously' consider January 6 pardons if he runs and wins in 2024
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/01/30/trump-rally-video-january-6-rioters-newday-vpx.cnn
Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/01/trump-jan-6-rioters-pardon/
Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
Trump says he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he runs and wins
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-pardon-jan-6-rioters-if-he-runs-wins-2022-01-30/
This thread is about the Proud Boys. I don't see even one quote from Trump about pardoning the Proud Boys.
So you continue to deliberately posit a false claim.
Take the loss and move on. You can't make your claim true Oso, you are damn well caught in a lie and we both know it.
Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.
The former president made the remarks to a conservative radio host Thursday morning as he weighs a third consecutive run for the White House while under dueling investigations by the feds for his role in the riots and classified materials seized from his Florida home.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
"I met with and I'm financially supporting people that are incredible," he said, referring to some of the more than 800 people that have been charged in the violent breach.
"And they were in my office actually two days ago. It's very much on my mind. It's a disgrace what they've done to them. What they've done to these people, it's disgraceful.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
Your contention, from your posts, is that he said he would,
No such statement exists, yet you continue to post quotes which do not say what you claim.
Ergo, you are caught in a lie.
After all, I never heard you say you would not rape or murder anyone, but it's not reasonable to demand you do.
Context matters. So does honesty. You and Sam failed on both counts.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
Take the loss like a man, be better, and move on.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
I miss Honest Oldbear.
Good thing I never told Sam how to fix the sights on his rifle.Sam Lowry said:
I miss Honest Oldbear.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
1. Oso lies about something Trump saidOsodecentx said:"Self-serving excuses from Old "Brownshirt" Bear."Oldbear83 said:Show me where he said "Proud Boys', or you're still caught in a lie, boyo.Osodecentx said:Only you think this excludes PBOldbear83 said:Repeat it all you want, the words "Proud Boys" just are not there.Osodecentx said:Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.Oldbear83 said:Doesn't work that way.Osodecentx said:Please help! I'm looking for the statement where Dear Leader said he wouldn't pardon the Proud BoysOldbear83 said:Cute, but only a very small portion of the people involved in Jan. 6 were Proud Boys, and again, Trump never specified Proud Boys.Osodecentx said:Each post above says Trump will pardon Jan 6 rioters. Many of Jan 6 rioters are Proud Boys. Hence Proud Boys convicted of Jan 6 violations will be pardoned by Trump.Oldbear83 said:Osodecentx said:This is a foretaste of the 24 election if Trump is the nominee. Instead of discussing Biden's actions and policies, we'll argue about whether Jan 6 insurrection was a riot and should pardons be given to the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. Like you said, a special kind of stupidOldbear83 said:Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'Osodecentx said:Like you said, a special kind of stupid.Oldbear83 said:You sure he said that? Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.Osodecentx said:
They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.
Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.
"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."
The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."
Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450
Trump says he will 'very, very seriously' consider January 6 pardons if he runs and wins in 2024
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/01/30/trump-rally-video-january-6-rioters-newday-vpx.cnn
Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/01/trump-jan-6-rioters-pardon/
Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
Trump says he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he runs and wins
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-pardon-jan-6-rioters-if-he-runs-wins-2022-01-30/
This thread is about the Proud Boys. I don't see even one quote from Trump about pardoning the Proud Boys.
So you continue to deliberately posit a false claim.
Take the loss and move on. You can't make your claim true Oso, you are damn well caught in a lie and we both know it.
Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.
The former president made the remarks to a conservative radio host Thursday morning as he weighs a third consecutive run for the White House while under dueling investigations by the feds for his role in the riots and classified materials seized from his Florida home.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
"I met with and I'm financially supporting people that are incredible," he said, referring to some of the more than 800 people that have been charged in the violent breach.
"And they were in my office actually two days ago. It's very much on my mind. It's a disgrace what they've done to them. What they've done to these people, it's disgraceful.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
Your contention, from your posts, is that he said he would,
No such statement exists, yet you continue to post quotes which do not say what you claim.
Ergo, you are caught in a lie.
After all, I never heard you say you would not rape or murder anyone, but it's not reasonable to demand you do.
Context matters. So does honesty. You and Sam failed on both counts.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
Take the loss like a man, be better, and move on.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
2. Oldbear points out Trump never said what Oso claims
3. Various back and forth as Oso and Sam splutter efforts to pretend Trump is actually guilty of something
4. Oldbear points out Oso has trapped himself by logic
5. Oso's brain short circuits, as he accuses Oldbear of making excuses ... Oso not even trying anymore to assert his contentions are true in any sense
Just sad, really, how TDS affects the brains of those so afflicted.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
"You Forever Trumpers are jerking yourselves off. It's kind of silly to imagine that should be exciting anyone else."Oldbear83 said:1. Oso lies about something Trump saidOsodecentx said:"Self-serving excuses from Old "Brownshirt" Bear."Oldbear83 said:Show me where he said "Proud Boys', or you're still caught in a lie, boyo.Osodecentx said:Only you think this excludes PBOldbear83 said:Repeat it all you want, the words "Proud Boys" just are not there.Osodecentx said:Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.Oldbear83 said:Doesn't work that way.Osodecentx said:Please help! I'm looking for the statement where Dear Leader said he wouldn't pardon the Proud BoysOldbear83 said:Cute, but only a very small portion of the people involved in Jan. 6 were Proud Boys, and again, Trump never specified Proud Boys.Osodecentx said:Each post above says Trump will pardon Jan 6 rioters. Many of Jan 6 rioters are Proud Boys. Hence Proud Boys convicted of Jan 6 violations will be pardoned by Trump.Oldbear83 said:Osodecentx said:This is a foretaste of the 24 election if Trump is the nominee. Instead of discussing Biden's actions and policies, we'll argue about whether Jan 6 insurrection was a riot and should pardons be given to the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. Like you said, a special kind of stupidOldbear83 said:Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'Osodecentx said:Like you said, a special kind of stupid.Oldbear83 said:You sure he said that? Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.Osodecentx said:
They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.
Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.
"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."
The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."
Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450
Trump says he will 'very, very seriously' consider January 6 pardons if he runs and wins in 2024
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/01/30/trump-rally-video-january-6-rioters-newday-vpx.cnn
Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/01/trump-jan-6-rioters-pardon/
Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
Trump says he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he runs and wins
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-pardon-jan-6-rioters-if-he-runs-wins-2022-01-30/
This thread is about the Proud Boys. I don't see even one quote from Trump about pardoning the Proud Boys.
So you continue to deliberately posit a false claim.
Take the loss and move on. You can't make your claim true Oso, you are damn well caught in a lie and we both know it.
Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.
The former president made the remarks to a conservative radio host Thursday morning as he weighs a third consecutive run for the White House while under dueling investigations by the feds for his role in the riots and classified materials seized from his Florida home.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
"I met with and I'm financially supporting people that are incredible," he said, referring to some of the more than 800 people that have been charged in the violent breach.
"And they were in my office actually two days ago. It's very much on my mind. It's a disgrace what they've done to them. What they've done to these people, it's disgraceful.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
Your contention, from your posts, is that he said he would,
No such statement exists, yet you continue to post quotes which do not say what you claim.
Ergo, you are caught in a lie.
After all, I never heard you say you would not rape or murder anyone, but it's not reasonable to demand you do.
Context matters. So does honesty. You and Sam failed on both counts.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
Take the loss like a man, be better, and move on.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
2. Oldbear points out Trump never said what Oso claims
3. Various back and forth as Oso and Sam splutter efforts to pretend Trump is actually guilty of something
4. Oldbear points out Oso has trapped himself by logic
5. Oso's brain short circuits, as he accuses Oldbear of making excuses ... Oso not even trying anymore to assert his contentions are true in any sense
Just sad, really, how TDS affects the brains of those so afflicted.
Sorry, forgot to mention the hallucinations the TDSers are also suffering, as Oso's last on-line excrement shows.Osodecentx said:"You Forever Trumpers are jerking yourselves off. It's kind of silly to imagine that should be exciting anyone else."Oldbear83 said:1. Oso lies about something Trump saidOsodecentx said:"Self-serving excuses from Old "Brownshirt" Bear."Oldbear83 said:Show me where he said "Proud Boys', or you're still caught in a lie, boyo.Osodecentx said:Only you think this excludes PBOldbear83 said:Repeat it all you want, the words "Proud Boys" just are not there.Osodecentx said:Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.Oldbear83 said:Doesn't work that way.Osodecentx said:Please help! I'm looking for the statement where Dear Leader said he wouldn't pardon the Proud BoysOldbear83 said:Cute, but only a very small portion of the people involved in Jan. 6 were Proud Boys, and again, Trump never specified Proud Boys.Osodecentx said:Each post above says Trump will pardon Jan 6 rioters. Many of Jan 6 rioters are Proud Boys. Hence Proud Boys convicted of Jan 6 violations will be pardoned by Trump.Oldbear83 said:Osodecentx said:This is a foretaste of the 24 election if Trump is the nominee. Instead of discussing Biden's actions and policies, we'll argue about whether Jan 6 insurrection was a riot and should pardons be given to the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. Like you said, a special kind of stupidOldbear83 said:Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'Osodecentx said:Like you said, a special kind of stupid.Oldbear83 said:You sure he said that? Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.Osodecentx said:
They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.
Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.
"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."
The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."
Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450
Trump says he will 'very, very seriously' consider January 6 pardons if he runs and wins in 2024
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/01/30/trump-rally-video-january-6-rioters-newday-vpx.cnn
Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/01/trump-jan-6-rioters-pardon/
Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
Trump says he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he runs and wins
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-pardon-jan-6-rioters-if-he-runs-wins-2022-01-30/
This thread is about the Proud Boys. I don't see even one quote from Trump about pardoning the Proud Boys.
So you continue to deliberately posit a false claim.
Take the loss and move on. You can't make your claim true Oso, you are damn well caught in a lie and we both know it.
Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.
The former president made the remarks to a conservative radio host Thursday morning as he weighs a third consecutive run for the White House while under dueling investigations by the feds for his role in the riots and classified materials seized from his Florida home.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
"I met with and I'm financially supporting people that are incredible," he said, referring to some of the more than 800 people that have been charged in the violent breach.
"And they were in my office actually two days ago. It's very much on my mind. It's a disgrace what they've done to them. What they've done to these people, it's disgraceful.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
Your contention, from your posts, is that he said he would,
No such statement exists, yet you continue to post quotes which do not say what you claim.
Ergo, you are caught in a lie.
After all, I never heard you say you would not rape or murder anyone, but it's not reasonable to demand you do.
Context matters. So does honesty. You and Sam failed on both counts.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
Take the loss like a man, be better, and move on.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
2. Oldbear points out Trump never said what Oso claims
3. Various back and forth as Oso and Sam splutter efforts to pretend Trump is actually guilty of something
4. Oldbear points out Oso has trapped himself by logic
5. Oso's brain short circuits, as he accuses Oldbear of making excuses ... Oso not even trying anymore to assert his contentions are true in any sense
Just sad, really, how TDS affects the brains of those so afflicted.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Conversations With Honest Oldbear
OSO: Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
OLDBEAR: He didn't necessarily say Proud Boys.
OSO: I didn't say he did.
OLDBEAR: I'm just saying.
OSO: Fair enough.
THE END
(roll credits)
OSO: Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
OLDBEAR: He didn't necessarily say Proud Boys.
OSO: I didn't say he did.
OLDBEAR: I'm just saying.
OSO: Fair enough.
THE END
(roll credits)
"Grow up. Read what I already wrote. Try to be an adult instead of this board's Pee Wee Herman."Oldbear83 said:Sorry, forgot to mention the hallucinations the TDSers are also suffering, as Oso's last on-line excrement shows.Osodecentx said:"You Forever Trumpers are jerking yourselves off. It's kind of silly to imagine that should be exciting anyone else."Oldbear83 said:1. Oso lies about something Trump saidOsodecentx said:"Self-serving excuses from Old "Brownshirt" Bear."Oldbear83 said:Show me where he said "Proud Boys', or you're still caught in a lie, boyo.Osodecentx said:Only you think this excludes PBOldbear83 said:Repeat it all you want, the words "Proud Boys" just are not there.Osodecentx said:Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.Oldbear83 said:Doesn't work that way.Osodecentx said:Please help! I'm looking for the statement where Dear Leader said he wouldn't pardon the Proud BoysOldbear83 said:Cute, but only a very small portion of the people involved in Jan. 6 were Proud Boys, and again, Trump never specified Proud Boys.Osodecentx said:Each post above says Trump will pardon Jan 6 rioters. Many of Jan 6 rioters are Proud Boys. Hence Proud Boys convicted of Jan 6 violations will be pardoned by Trump.Oldbear83 said:Osodecentx said:This is a foretaste of the 24 election if Trump is the nominee. Instead of discussing Biden's actions and policies, we'll argue about whether Jan 6 insurrection was a riot and should pardons be given to the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. Like you said, a special kind of stupidOldbear83 said:Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'Osodecentx said:Like you said, a special kind of stupid.Oldbear83 said:You sure he said that? Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.Osodecentx said:
They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.
Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.
"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."
The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."
Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450
Trump says he will 'very, very seriously' consider January 6 pardons if he runs and wins in 2024
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/01/30/trump-rally-video-january-6-rioters-newday-vpx.cnn
Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/01/trump-jan-6-rioters-pardon/
Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
Trump says he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he runs and wins
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-pardon-jan-6-rioters-if-he-runs-wins-2022-01-30/
This thread is about the Proud Boys. I don't see even one quote from Trump about pardoning the Proud Boys.
So you continue to deliberately posit a false claim.
Take the loss and move on. You can't make your claim true Oso, you are damn well caught in a lie and we both know it.
Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.
The former president made the remarks to a conservative radio host Thursday morning as he weighs a third consecutive run for the White House while under dueling investigations by the feds for his role in the riots and classified materials seized from his Florida home.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
"I met with and I'm financially supporting people that are incredible," he said, referring to some of the more than 800 people that have been charged in the violent breach.
"And they were in my office actually two days ago. It's very much on my mind. It's a disgrace what they've done to them. What they've done to these people, it's disgraceful.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
Your contention, from your posts, is that he said he would,
No such statement exists, yet you continue to post quotes which do not say what you claim.
Ergo, you are caught in a lie.
After all, I never heard you say you would not rape or murder anyone, but it's not reasonable to demand you do.
Context matters. So does honesty. You and Sam failed on both counts.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
Take the loss like a man, be better, and move on.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
2. Oldbear points out Trump never said what Oso claims
3. Various back and forth as Oso and Sam splutter efforts to pretend Trump is actually guilty of something
4. Oldbear points out Oso has trapped himself by logic
5. Oso's brain short circuits, as he accuses Oldbear of making excuses ... Oso not even trying anymore to assert his contentions are true in any sense
Just sad, really, how TDS affects the brains of those so afflicted.
Look at the thread title.Sam Lowry said:
Conversations With Honest Oldbear
OSO: Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters? You know I mean the Proud Boys
OLDBEAR: He didn't necessarily say Proud Boys. He was most likely talking about all the people with no criminal history who committed no violence
OSO: I didn't say Proud Boys
OLDBEAR: Then why bring it up in the Proud Boys thread
OSO: ....
THE END
(roll credits)
Case closed.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
I see it. On a related topic, why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters? The petty offenders among them will surely go free before he takes office again.Oldbear83 said:Look at the thread title.Sam Lowry said:
Conversations With Honest Oldbear
OSO: Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters? You know I mean the Proud Boys
OLDBEAR: He didn't necessarily say Proud Boys. He was most likely talking about all the people with no criminal history who committed no violence
OSO: I didn't say Proud Boys
OLDBEAR: Then why bring it up in the Proud Boys thread
OSO: ....
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It's a principle thing. I can understand why you would be confused.Sam Lowry said:I see it. On a related topic, why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters? The petty offenders among them will surely go free before he takes office again.Oldbear83 said:Look at the thread title.Sam Lowry said:
Conversations With Honest Oldbear
OSO: Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters? You know I mean the Proud Boys
OLDBEAR: He didn't necessarily say Proud Boys. He was most likely talking about all the people with no criminal history who committed no violence
OSO: I didn't say Proud Boys
OLDBEAR: Then why bring it up in the Proud Boys thread
OSO: ....
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That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Oldbear83 said:It's a principle thing. I can understand why you would be confused.Sam Lowry said:I see it. On a related topic, why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters? The petty offenders among them will surely go free before he takes office again.Oldbear83 said:Look at the thread title.Sam Lowry said:
Conversations With Honest Oldbear
OSO: Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters? You know I mean the Proud Boys
OLDBEAR: He didn't necessarily say Proud Boys. He was most likely talking about all the people with no criminal history who committed no violence
OSO: I didn't say Proud Boys
OLDBEAR: Then why bring it up in the Proud Boys thread
OSO: ....
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Oldbear? Principles? Right
LOL
I'm guessing the principle is that two wrongs make a right. Watch and see if I called it.Osodecentx said:Oldbear83 said:It's a principle thing. I can understand why you would be confused.Sam Lowry said:I see it. On a related topic, why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters? The petty offenders among them will surely go free before he takes office again.Oldbear83 said:Look at the thread title.Sam Lowry said:
Conversations With Honest Oldbear
OSO: Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters? You know I mean the Proud Boys
OLDBEAR: He didn't necessarily say Proud Boys. He was most likely talking about all the people with no criminal history who committed no violence
OSO: I didn't say Proud Boys
OLDBEAR: Then why bring it up in the Proud Boys thread
OSO: ....
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Oldbear? Principles? Right
LOL
compostOldbear83 said:
WaPo. Hmmmm
I observe the Trump-haters ignored last night's very enjoying game.
I guess all they have is hate and bitterness.
I guess all they have is hate and bitterness.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
So it's now selling your soul if you support the rule of law, the Constitution, and democracy, but it's somehow not selling your soul when you blindly follow Trump, slavishly attacking the Capitol in attempt to prevent a lawful Constitutional proceeding?Oldbear83 said:Read the thread title, Sam. It's implied by posting the quote here.Sam Lowry said:When did he say they were?Oldbear83 said:Repeat it all you want, the words "Proud Boys" just are not there.Osodecentx said:Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.Oldbear83 said:Doesn't work that way.Osodecentx said:Please help! I'm looking for the statement where Dear Leader said he wouldn't pardon the Proud BoysOldbear83 said:Cute, but only a very small portion of the people involved in Jan. 6 were Proud Boys, and again, Trump never specified Proud Boys.Osodecentx said:Each post above says Trump will pardon Jan 6 rioters. Many of Jan 6 rioters are Proud Boys. Hence Proud Boys convicted of Jan 6 violations will be pardoned by Trump.Oldbear83 said:Osodecentx said:This is a foretaste of the 24 election if Trump is the nominee. Instead of discussing Biden's actions and policies, we'll argue about whether Jan 6 insurrection was a riot and should pardons be given to the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. Like you said, a special kind of stupidOldbear83 said:Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'Osodecentx said:Like you said, a special kind of stupid.Oldbear83 said:You sure he said that? Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.Osodecentx said:
They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.
Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.
"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."
The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."
Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450
Trump says he will 'very, very seriously' consider January 6 pardons if he runs and wins in 2024
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/01/30/trump-rally-video-january-6-rioters-newday-vpx.cnn
Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/01/trump-jan-6-rioters-pardon/
Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
Trump says he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he runs and wins
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-pardon-jan-6-rioters-if-he-runs-wins-2022-01-30/
This thread is about the Proud Boys. I don't see even one quote from Trump about pardoning the Proud Boys.
So you continue to deliberately posit a false claim.
Take the loss and move on. You can't make your claim true Oso, you are damn well caught in a lie and we both know it.
Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.
The former president made the remarks to a conservative radio host Thursday morning as he weighs a third consecutive run for the White House while under dueling investigations by the feds for his role in the riots and classified materials seized from his Florida home.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
"I met with and I'm financially supporting people that are incredible," he said, referring to some of the more than 800 people that have been charged in the violent breach.
"And they were in my office actually two days ago. It's very much on my mind. It's a disgrace what they've done to them. What they've done to these people, it's disgraceful.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
Your contention, from your posts, is that he said he would,
No such statement exists, yet you continue to post quotes which do not say what you claim.
Ergo, you are caught in a lie.
After all, I never heard you say you would not rape or murder anyone, but it's not reasonable to demand you do.
Context matters. So does honesty. You and Sam failed on both counts.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
And his squirming efforts to pretend Trump said something he did not in subsequent posts is more than a little obvious anyway.
But out of curiosity, what did you get when you sold your soul? It doesn't seem to me that you got the better bargain.
TS: "So it's now selling your soul if you support the rule of law, the Constitution, and democracy, but it's somehow not selling your soul when you blindly follow Trump, slavishly attacking the Capitol in attempt to prevent a lawful Constitutional proceeding?
No, it's selling your soul when you blindly conflate any accusation into proof of guilt, when you abandon all sense of equal treatment according to politics, and blatantly lie about the facts and the scope of the matter.
Those who will not even criticize Brandon will not understand.
No, it's selling your soul when you blindly conflate any accusation into proof of guilt, when you abandon all sense of equal treatment according to politics, and blatantly lie about the facts and the scope of the matter.
Those who will not even criticize Brandon will not understand.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Oldbear83 said:
TS: "So it's now selling your soul if you support the rule of law, the Constitution, and democracy, but it's somehow not selling your soul when you blindly follow Trump, slavishly attacking the Capitol in attempt to prevent a lawful Constitutional proceeding?
No, it's selling your soul when you blindly conflate any accusation into proof of guilt, when you abandon all sense of equal treatment according to politics, and blatantly lie about the facts and the scope of the matter.
Those who will not even criticize Brandon will not understand.
Pretty good description of the Trumpets on 1/6.Quote:Quote:
No, it's selling your soul when you blindly conflate any accusation into proof of guilt, when you abandon all sense of equal treatment according to politics, and blatantly lie about the facts and the scope of the matter.
Those who will not even criticize Brandon will not understand.
Nice try at conflating with what about ism. Criticism of Biden has nothing to do with Trumpet treason. Biden is a whole different problem, in and of himself.
3 rights make a left..Sam Lowry said:I'm guessing the principle is that two wrongs make a right. Watch and see if I called it.Osodecentx said:Oldbear83 said:It's a principle thing. I can understand why you would be confused.Sam Lowry said:I see it. On a related topic, why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters? The petty offenders among them will surely go free before he takes office again.Oldbear83 said:Look at the thread title.Sam Lowry said:
Conversations With Honest Oldbear
OSO: Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters? You know I mean the Proud Boys
OLDBEAR: He didn't necessarily say Proud Boys. He was most likely talking about all the people with no criminal history who committed no violence
OSO: I didn't say Proud Boys
OLDBEAR: Then why bring it up in the Proud Boys thread
OSO: ....
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Oldbear? Principles? Right
LOL
“The Internet is just a world passing around notes in a classroom.”
Jon Stewart
Jon Stewart
That's what happens when you keep turning to the far right. You end just the same.4th and Inches said:3 rights make a left..Sam Lowry said:I'm guessing the principle is that two wrongs make a right. Watch and see if I called it.Osodecentx said:Oldbear83 said:It's a principle thing. I can understand why you would be confused.Sam Lowry said:I see it. On a related topic, why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters? The petty offenders among them will surely go free before he takes office again.Oldbear83 said:Look at the thread title.Sam Lowry said:
Conversations With Honest Oldbear
OSO: Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters? You know I mean the Proud Boys
OLDBEAR: He didn't necessarily say Proud Boys. He was most likely talking about all the people with no criminal history who committed no violence
OSO: I didn't say Proud Boys
OLDBEAR: Then why bring it up in the Proud Boys thread
OSO: ....
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Oldbear? Principles? Right
LOL
TexasScientist said:That's what happens when you keep turning to the far right. You end just the same.4th and Inches said:3 rights make a left..Sam Lowry said:I'm guessing the principle is that two wrongs make a right. Watch and see if I called it.Osodecentx said:Oldbear83 said:It's a principle thing. I can understand why you would be confused.Sam Lowry said:I see it. On a related topic, why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters? The petty offenders among them will surely go free before he takes office again.Oldbear83 said:Look at the thread title.Sam Lowry said:
Conversations With Honest Oldbear
OSO: Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters? You know I mean the Proud Boys
OLDBEAR: He didn't necessarily say Proud Boys. He was most likely talking about all the people with no criminal history who committed no violence
OSO: I didn't say Proud Boys
OLDBEAR: Then why bring it up in the Proud Boys thread
OSO: ....
THE END
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Oldbear? Principles? Right
LOL
Oath Keepers leader regretted not having guns on Jan. 6, prosecutors say at seditious conspiracy trial
During opening arguments Monday, the Justice Department played a recording of Stewart Rhodes saying his group "should have brought rifles" to the Capitol.
During opening arguments Monday, the Justice Department played a recording of Stewart Rhodes saying his group "should have brought rifles" to the Capitol.
Osodecentx said:
Oops!
Proud Boys leader admits plan to storm Capitol, will testify against others
Charles Donohoe pleaded guilty to conspiracy, acknowledging an attempt to stop congressional confirmation of the electoral college vote
A North Carolina man who was one of the leaders of the far-right Proud Boys as they assaulted the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, pleaded guilty Friday to two felony counts with a minimum sentence of nearly six years in prison, but agreed to cooperate against his co-defendants in hopes of getting a lighter sentence.
Court records filed Friday show he has already provided numerous insights into the group's plans and their intention to disrupt the congressional electoral vote confirmation.
Charles Donohoe, 34, of Kernersville, N.C., admitted to both organizing the pro-Trump attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers. Donohoe is the first charged among six of the Proud Boys' leaders, including longtime chairman Enrique Tarrio, to admit to both organizing an attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers.
Tarrio pleaded not guilty earlier this week to charges of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and six other felonies. He has been ordered held in jail until trial along with six other defendants.
Those other defendants include Donohoe, who has been jailed since March of last year. He pleaded guilty to conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and assaulting police officers.
In December 2020, according to court documents filed Friday, Tarrio appointed Donohue as one of the members of the "Ministry of Self Defense," a leadership group within the Proud Boys making preparations for Jan. 6.
In a newly filed statement of offense, prosecutors said that "Donohoe understood that the purpose of the rally in Washington, D.C., on January 6, 2021, was to stop the certification of the Electoral College vote." The "MOSD" leadership was broken into a three-person "marketing" council, to recruit more members, and an "operations" group. Donohoe was part of the marketing group, the statement of offense says, and it soon expanded to at least 65 members.
As early as Jan. 4, prosecutors said, "Donohoe was aware that members of MOSD leadership were discussing the possibility of storming the Capitol. Donohoe believed that storming the Capitol would achieve the group's goal of stopping the government from carrying out the transfer of presidential power. Donohoe understood that storming the Capitol would be illegal."
Donohoe hadn't planned to be in D.C. on Jan. 6, the statement of offense says. But after Tarrio was arrested on Jan. 4, 2021, for burning a Black Lives Matter banner stolen from a D.C. church, Donohoe decided to travel to Washington because he "believed that Tarrio's arrest could create a leadership void for the MOSD," according to the filing, which is also signed by Donohoe.
On the morning of Jan. 6, the Proud Boys marched away from the Ellipse before President Donald Trump began his speech, and did not return. Instead, they went to the Capitol shortly after 10 a.m., the statement of offense says, and Donohoe posted that his group numbered "200-300 PBs." Co-defendants Ethan Nordean and Joseph Biggs mustered the group, the statement says, and "Donohoe understood that Nordean and Biggs were searching for an opportunity to storm the Capitol."
By 1 p.m., the Proud Boys were being instructed in messages to "Push inside!" Donohoe reposted the message to other group leaders. Donohoe admitted throwing two water bottles at police trying to prevent the mob's advance. At 1:37 p.m., Donohoe took a picture of co-defendant Dominic Pezzola holding a riot shield that had been snatched from police.
Donohoe then found another Proud Boy who "initiated an altercation at the front of the crowd," the statement says. "Donohoe pushed forward to advance up the concrete stairs toward the Capitol. The crowd overwhelmed law enforcement who were attempting to stop their advance." About 140 police officers were injured during the onslaught, and five people died in the attack or immediate aftermath.
Donohoe is the second Proud Boy to agree to testify against his co-defendants. In January, Matthew Greene of Syracuse, N.Y., admitted coordinating with other New York-based members of the extremist group at the front of the Capitol mob and pleaded guilty to felony conspiracy, also hoping for a reduced sentence in exchange for his cooperation. As a result of their deals, no sentencing dates were set for Donohoe or Greene, pending the outcome of their testimony in both trials and grand jury hearings.
What here is new? Everyone knew they planned it. The question. Is what Trump had to do with it or if he knew before Jan 6. As for this guy, wash, rinse, repeat for anyone else that planned to storm the Capital - lock him up he deserves it.
It was new in April when I posted it. Everyone on the board doesn't think the Proud Boys planned it. In fact some of our colleagues think they are rowdy tourists who are being mistreated.RMF5630 said:Osodecentx said:
Oops!
Proud Boys leader admits plan to storm Capitol, will testify against others
Charles Donohoe pleaded guilty to conspiracy, acknowledging an attempt to stop congressional confirmation of the electoral college vote
A North Carolina man who was one of the leaders of the far-right Proud Boys as they assaulted the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, pleaded guilty Friday to two felony counts with a minimum sentence of nearly six years in prison, but agreed to cooperate against his co-defendants in hopes of getting a lighter sentence.
Court records filed Friday show he has already provided numerous insights into the group's plans and their intention to disrupt the congressional electoral vote confirmation.
Charles Donohoe, 34, of Kernersville, N.C., admitted to both organizing the pro-Trump attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers. Donohoe is the first charged among six of the Proud Boys' leaders, including longtime chairman Enrique Tarrio, to admit to both organizing an attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers.
Tarrio pleaded not guilty earlier this week to charges of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and six other felonies. He has been ordered held in jail until trial along with six other defendants.
Those other defendants include Donohoe, who has been jailed since March of last year. He pleaded guilty to conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and assaulting police officers.
In December 2020, according to court documents filed Friday, Tarrio appointed Donohue as one of the members of the "Ministry of Self Defense," a leadership group within the Proud Boys making preparations for Jan. 6.
In a newly filed statement of offense, prosecutors said that "Donohoe understood that the purpose of the rally in Washington, D.C., on January 6, 2021, was to stop the certification of the Electoral College vote." The "MOSD" leadership was broken into a three-person "marketing" council, to recruit more members, and an "operations" group. Donohoe was part of the marketing group, the statement of offense says, and it soon expanded to at least 65 members.
As early as Jan. 4, prosecutors said, "Donohoe was aware that members of MOSD leadership were discussing the possibility of storming the Capitol. Donohoe believed that storming the Capitol would achieve the group's goal of stopping the government from carrying out the transfer of presidential power. Donohoe understood that storming the Capitol would be illegal."
Donohoe hadn't planned to be in D.C. on Jan. 6, the statement of offense says. But after Tarrio was arrested on Jan. 4, 2021, for burning a Black Lives Matter banner stolen from a D.C. church, Donohoe decided to travel to Washington because he "believed that Tarrio's arrest could create a leadership void for the MOSD," according to the filing, which is also signed by Donohoe.
On the morning of Jan. 6, the Proud Boys marched away from the Ellipse before President Donald Trump began his speech, and did not return. Instead, they went to the Capitol shortly after 10 a.m., the statement of offense says, and Donohoe posted that his group numbered "200-300 PBs." Co-defendants Ethan Nordean and Joseph Biggs mustered the group, the statement says, and "Donohoe understood that Nordean and Biggs were searching for an opportunity to storm the Capitol."
By 1 p.m., the Proud Boys were being instructed in messages to "Push inside!" Donohoe reposted the message to other group leaders. Donohoe admitted throwing two water bottles at police trying to prevent the mob's advance. At 1:37 p.m., Donohoe took a picture of co-defendant Dominic Pezzola holding a riot shield that had been snatched from police.
Donohoe then found another Proud Boy who "initiated an altercation at the front of the crowd," the statement says. "Donohoe pushed forward to advance up the concrete stairs toward the Capitol. The crowd overwhelmed law enforcement who were attempting to stop their advance." About 140 police officers were injured during the onslaught, and five people died in the attack or immediate aftermath.
Donohoe is the second Proud Boy to agree to testify against his co-defendants. In January, Matthew Greene of Syracuse, N.Y., admitted coordinating with other New York-based members of the extremist group at the front of the Capitol mob and pleaded guilty to felony conspiracy, also hoping for a reduced sentence in exchange for his cooperation. As a result of their deals, no sentencing dates were set for Donohoe or Greene, pending the outcome of their testimony in both trials and grand jury hearings.
What here is new? Everyone knew they planned it. The question. Is what Trump had to do with it or if he knew before Jan 6. As for this guy, wash, rinse, repeat for anyone else that planned to storm the Capital - lock him up he deserves it.
This, however, is new. It happened today
First Proud Boys leader pleads guilty to Jan. 6 seditious conspiracy
Jeremy Bertino was in inner circle of right-wing group led by Henry 'Enrique' Tarrio, accused with some Oath Keepers of planning violence to oppose President Biden's inauguration.
A lieutenant of longtime former Proud Boys chairman Henry "Enrique" Tarrio became the group's first member to plead guilty to seditious conspiracy in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot on Thursday, deepening the government's case against an organization accused of mobilizing violence to prevent the inauguration of Joe Biden.
Jeremy Bertino, 43, of Belmont, N.C., becomes a potential key witness for the Justice Department against Tarrio and four other Proud Boys leaders, some of whom had ties to influential supporters of President Donald Trump. The five Proud Boys defendants are set to face trial in December on charges including plotting to oppose by force the presidential transition, culminating in the Jan. 6, 2021, attack at the Capitol.
At a hearing before U.S. District Judge Timothy J. Kelly in Washington, Bertino pleaded guilty to that count and to one count of illegal possession of firearms as a formerly convicted felon, punishable by 51 to 63 months in prison at sentencing under advisory federal guidelines, prosecutors said.
From December 2020 to January 2021, Bertino "did knowingly combine, conspire, confederate, and agree with" the Proud Boys leaders "and other persons known and unknown, to oppose by force the authority of the Government of the United States and to delay by force the execution of the laws governing the transfer of power," the two-page charging document alleges.
In a sign of the sensitivity and potential importance of Bertino's testimony, prosecutors agreed that if he provides "substantial cooperation," they would seek leniency at sentencing and could enter Bertino into a Justice Department witness protection program.
Bertino held a place in the top inner circle of Proud Boys leaders accused of conspiring to impede Congress with angry Trump supporters as lawmakers met to confirm the election results. Bertino's home in North Carolina was searched in March at the same time that Tarrio was arrested on charges that he and at least four others "directed, mobilized and led" a crowd of 200 to 300 supporters onto Capitol grounds. Many in that crowd are accused of leading some of the earliest and most aggressive attacks on police and property.
At the time of the search, Bertino allegedly possessed two pistols, a shotgun, bolt-action rifle and two semiautomatic AR-15 style rifles with scopes. Bertino was convicted in 2004 of first-degree reckless endangerment in New York state, a felony, and sentenced to five years of probation with a period of local jail time, according to court filings.
Error! Filename not specified.
Bertino's testimony could implicate Tarrio, a former aide to GOP strategist Roger Stone, and co-defendant Joe Biggs, a former employee online Infowars show host Alex Jones. Stone and Jones are two prominent right-wing figures who promoted Trump's incendiary and baseless assertions that the election was stolen.
Stone remained in contact with Trump at Mar-a-Lago and in Washington in the weeks leading up to the Jan. 6 attack, coordinated post-election protests and privately strategized with figures such as former national security adviser Michael Flynn and 'Stop the Steal' organizer Ali Alexander, The Post has reported.
Stone also communicated via encrypted texts after the 2020 election with Tarrio as well as Stewart Rhodes, the founder and leader of a second right-wing extremist group, the Oath Keepers, accused of playing an outsized role in planning for and organizing violence at the Capitol. Rhodes was on trial Thursday for seditious conspiracy in the same courthouse where Bertino pleaded.
Bertino also suggested to Tarrio that the election result could be invalidated if lawmakers failed to vote by midnight, an argument that echoed the effort by Trump's own lawyers to deny Biden's victory.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/10/06/proud-boys-bertino-plea-seditious-conspiracy/
no one here has called the Proud Boys tourists being wrongfully prosecuted, except you. They are a small handful of people who tried to usurp/provoke an angry crowd to take mob action to forestall an election.Osodecentx said:It was new in April when I posted it. Everyone on the board doesn't think the Proud Boys planned it. In fact some of our colleagues think they are rowdy tourists who are being mistreated.RMF5630 said:Osodecentx said:
Oops!
Proud Boys leader admits plan to storm Capitol, will testify against others
Charles Donohoe pleaded guilty to conspiracy, acknowledging an attempt to stop congressional confirmation of the electoral college vote
A North Carolina man who was one of the leaders of the far-right Proud Boys as they assaulted the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, pleaded guilty Friday to two felony counts with a minimum sentence of nearly six years in prison, but agreed to cooperate against his co-defendants in hopes of getting a lighter sentence.
Court records filed Friday show he has already provided numerous insights into the group's plans and their intention to disrupt the congressional electoral vote confirmation.
Charles Donohoe, 34, of Kernersville, N.C., admitted to both organizing the pro-Trump attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers. Donohoe is the first charged among six of the Proud Boys' leaders, including longtime chairman Enrique Tarrio, to admit to both organizing an attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers.
Tarrio pleaded not guilty earlier this week to charges of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and six other felonies. He has been ordered held in jail until trial along with six other defendants.
Those other defendants include Donohoe, who has been jailed since March of last year. He pleaded guilty to conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and assaulting police officers.
In December 2020, according to court documents filed Friday, Tarrio appointed Donohue as one of the members of the "Ministry of Self Defense," a leadership group within the Proud Boys making preparations for Jan. 6.
In a newly filed statement of offense, prosecutors said that "Donohoe understood that the purpose of the rally in Washington, D.C., on January 6, 2021, was to stop the certification of the Electoral College vote." The "MOSD" leadership was broken into a three-person "marketing" council, to recruit more members, and an "operations" group. Donohoe was part of the marketing group, the statement of offense says, and it soon expanded to at least 65 members.
As early as Jan. 4, prosecutors said, "Donohoe was aware that members of MOSD leadership were discussing the possibility of storming the Capitol. Donohoe believed that storming the Capitol would achieve the group's goal of stopping the government from carrying out the transfer of presidential power. Donohoe understood that storming the Capitol would be illegal."
Donohoe hadn't planned to be in D.C. on Jan. 6, the statement of offense says. But after Tarrio was arrested on Jan. 4, 2021, for burning a Black Lives Matter banner stolen from a D.C. church, Donohoe decided to travel to Washington because he "believed that Tarrio's arrest could create a leadership void for the MOSD," according to the filing, which is also signed by Donohoe.
On the morning of Jan. 6, the Proud Boys marched away from the Ellipse before President Donald Trump began his speech, and did not return. Instead, they went to the Capitol shortly after 10 a.m., the statement of offense says, and Donohoe posted that his group numbered "200-300 PBs." Co-defendants Ethan Nordean and Joseph Biggs mustered the group, the statement says, and "Donohoe understood that Nordean and Biggs were searching for an opportunity to storm the Capitol."
By 1 p.m., the Proud Boys were being instructed in messages to "Push inside!" Donohoe reposted the message to other group leaders. Donohoe admitted throwing two water bottles at police trying to prevent the mob's advance. At 1:37 p.m., Donohoe took a picture of co-defendant Dominic Pezzola holding a riot shield that had been snatched from police.
Donohoe then found another Proud Boy who "initiated an altercation at the front of the crowd," the statement says. "Donohoe pushed forward to advance up the concrete stairs toward the Capitol. The crowd overwhelmed law enforcement who were attempting to stop their advance." About 140 police officers were injured during the onslaught, and five people died in the attack or immediate aftermath.
Donohoe is the second Proud Boy to agree to testify against his co-defendants. In January, Matthew Greene of Syracuse, N.Y., admitted coordinating with other New York-based members of the extremist group at the front of the Capitol mob and pleaded guilty to felony conspiracy, also hoping for a reduced sentence in exchange for his cooperation. As a result of their deals, no sentencing dates were set for Donohoe or Greene, pending the outcome of their testimony in both trials and grand jury hearings.
What here is new? Everyone knew they planned it. The question. Is what Trump had to do with it or if he knew before Jan 6. As for this guy, wash, rinse, repeat for anyone else that planned to storm the Capital - lock him up he deserves it.
This, however, is new. It happened today
First Proud Boys leader pleads guilty to Jan. 6 seditious conspiracy
Jeremy Bertino was in inner circle of right-wing group led by Henry 'Enrique' Tarrio, accused with some Oath Keepers of planning violence to oppose President Biden's inauguration.
A lieutenant of longtime former Proud Boys chairman Henry "Enrique" Tarrio became the group's first member to plead guilty to seditious conspiracy in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot on Thursday, deepening the government's case against an organization accused of mobilizing violence to prevent the inauguration of Joe Biden.
Jeremy Bertino, 43, of Belmont, N.C., becomes a potential key witness for the Justice Department against Tarrio and four other Proud Boys leaders, some of whom had ties to influential supporters of President Donald Trump. The five Proud Boys defendants are set to face trial in December on charges including plotting to oppose by force the presidential transition, culminating in the Jan. 6, 2021, attack at the Capitol.
At a hearing before U.S. District Judge Timothy J. Kelly in Washington, Bertino pleaded guilty to that count and to one count of illegal possession of firearms as a formerly convicted felon, punishable by 51 to 63 months in prison at sentencing under advisory federal guidelines, prosecutors said.
From December 2020 to January 2021, Bertino "did knowingly combine, conspire, confederate, and agree with" the Proud Boys leaders "and other persons known and unknown, to oppose by force the authority of the Government of the United States and to delay by force the execution of the laws governing the transfer of power," the two-page charging document alleges.
In a sign of the sensitivity and potential importance of Bertino's testimony, prosecutors agreed that if he provides "substantial cooperation," they would seek leniency at sentencing and could enter Bertino into a Justice Department witness protection program.
Bertino held a place in the top inner circle of Proud Boys leaders accused of conspiring to impede Congress with angry Trump supporters as lawmakers met to confirm the election results. Bertino's home in North Carolina was searched in March at the same time that Tarrio was arrested on charges that he and at least four others "directed, mobilized and led" a crowd of 200 to 300 supporters onto Capitol grounds. Many in that crowd are accused of leading some of the earliest and most aggressive attacks on police and property.
At the time of the search, Bertino allegedly possessed two pistols, a shotgun, bolt-action rifle and two semiautomatic AR-15 style rifles with scopes. Bertino was convicted in 2004 of first-degree reckless endangerment in New York state, a felony, and sentenced to five years of probation with a period of local jail time, according to court filings.
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Bertino's testimony could implicate Tarrio, a former aide to GOP strategist Roger Stone, and co-defendant Joe Biggs, a former employee online Infowars show host Alex Jones. Stone and Jones are two prominent right-wing figures who promoted Trump's incendiary and baseless assertions that the election was stolen.
Stone remained in contact with Trump at Mar-a-Lago and in Washington in the weeks leading up to the Jan. 6 attack, coordinated post-election protests and privately strategized with figures such as former national security adviser Michael Flynn and 'Stop the Steal' organizer Ali Alexander, The Post has reported.
Stone also communicated via encrypted texts after the 2020 election with Tarrio as well as Stewart Rhodes, the founder and leader of a second right-wing extremist group, the Oath Keepers, accused of playing an outsized role in planning for and organizing violence at the Capitol. Rhodes was on trial Thursday for seditious conspiracy in the same courthouse where Bertino pleaded.
Bertino also suggested to Tarrio that the election result could be invalidated if lawmakers failed to vote by midnight, an argument that echoed the effort by Trump's own lawyers to deny Biden's victory.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/10/06/proud-boys-bertino-plea-seditious-conspiracy/
That is a serious problem which should have serious consequences, for them.
But it was neither a serious threat to our democracy, nor an insurrection, and it most certainly was not a massive conspiracy by all or part of a political party to use mob action to overturn an election.
You should realize that your efforts to tie the PB actions to Trump for the purpose of driving latter from the party is, conceptually, not terribly dissimilar to what the PB attempted to do.....laying in wait to seize opportunities to nudge the energy of larger events to accomplish what the group on its own resources could not.