1. Armed police officers works for districts that can afford an officer per school. It doesn't work for smaller schools.
And as pointed out it doesn't always help if the officer does nothing like the Florida shooting.

2. Then there is the issue that they can't be everywhere at once and a shooter can still get in to the school.

3. Someone mentioned the locked doors. This is huge. There should be one entrance used to the school. Which is a problem at older schools that have multiple buildings like detached gyms, locker rooms, band halls, etc.

4. All schools need the locked outer door and an interior vestibule door that is locked.

5. Then go a step further and the glass on both doors and windows next to them need to be bullet resistant. I know of plenty of schools that have the two door system but both are just regular safety glass. Hard to break with a rock, chair, etc. but a gun would be able to shoot it out.

6. Panic button at the front desk.

7. Front desk person armed/ safe with locked gun. Or at minimum something like a can of bear spray.

8. Armed staff

9. Lots of drills. Currently in Texas schools have to do two lock down/active shooter drills a year. It should be more. With practice on what to do.

10. All classrooms should have devices used to jam the doors shut. There are a lot of options for any type of door.

All of these don't need to be done but at least two or 3 would help a lot.

Wangchung said:

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In addition to other things, how about enough cameras to cover the school and a dedicated observer of said cameras.

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How about SicEm banning you for suggesting my parents should be dead instead of simply deleting the thread about Uvalde that you sullied and then letting you continue to spew venem?

Ghostrider said:

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Armed security at school. Doors locked. Metal
Detectors. Access to the school makes it such an easy target. Currently guns are banned and many schools have no security and doors are left unlocked all day.

Also, schools need to take threats much more serious and teach students and teachers what to look for.

There will always be bad guy with access to guns. Open borders doesn't help.

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I think metal detectors should be the last option once all other measures are put in place.

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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Wipe out illegal drug use.

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Sad thing is that this is probably the most realistic item on your agenda.

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sad thing is only way to do this is to make them all legal.. this is a multi billion dollar industry in the US.

Wangchung said:

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In addition to other things, how about enough cameras to cover the school and a dedicated observer of said cameras.

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I doubt that would work. A person sitting in an office all day watching cameras isn't going to stop someone getting in. Other measures need to be taken to prevent them from getting in.

Not to mention they would get distracted, be on their phone, on the computer, sleeping, etc.

Also, if you have an officer on campus they should be out walking around not sitting in an office.

Plus the benefit of them walking around gives a chance to show police in a good light which many schools and kids need to see to fight the anti police rhetoric that flies around these days.

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tommie said:

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SIC EM 94 said:

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ScottS said:

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Our school district has a policeman at each school. They implemented this in reaction Sandy Hook years ago. And guess what, no school shootings at any school in this district. The politicians in DC always have a back and forth but their solutions are all talk. They aren't on the local level and their solutions (and talk) won't solve anything.

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If you think having a policeman at each school in your district is why there haven't been any shootings, I think you are mistaken. It's certainly possible that has helped, but the fact that there hasn't been a shooting is more likely due to the law of averages than anything else. Your line of thinking is along the lines of schools are "gun free zones"…that makes no difference whatsoever on whether or not a shooting will take place.

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There is a reason these nutballs go to unguarded places. So I'm going to disagree with you. And I'm not for gun free zones at all. You need guns in the hands of good guys like police. Licensed gun holders/police.

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There was an armed retired police officer at the store in Buffalo. These shooters don't care about life, there's it ours.

You haven't had a shooting because this ain't normal ***** Still it happens.

Uvalde, Texas? I bet they were teachers armed at that school.

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Was he wearing a police vest in a marked car? Either way, like you say it will not stop everything, but I bet it would stop 80% from ever occurring.

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I don't understand how you guys try to ascribe qualities like forethought and reasonableness to people who clearly don't give a damn.

Why would a guy willing to drive 200 miles to kill people care if there's marked car outside?

J.B.Katz said:

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Wangchung said:

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In addition to other things, how about enough cameras to cover the school and a dedicated observer of said cameras.

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How about SicEm banning you for suggesting my parents should be dead instead of simply deleting the thread about Uvalde that you sullied and then letting you continue to spew venem?

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Aw, you didn't like the response you got after saying I and all Republicans and nra members were responsible for the deaths of those children? Well, you're right. I should have never lowered myself to your level.

cowboycwr said:

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Wangchung said:

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In addition to other things, how about enough cameras to cover the school and a dedicated observer of said cameras.

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I doubt that would work. A person sitting in an office all day watching cameras isn't going to stop someone getting in. Other measures need to be taken to prevent them from getting in.

Not to mention they would get distracted, be on their phone, on the computer, sleeping, etc.

Also, if you have an officer on campus they should be out walking around not sitting in an office.

Plus the benefit of them walking around gives a chance to show police in a good light which many schools and kids need to see to fight the anti police rhetoric that flies around these days.

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Oh it's definitely just one thing to add and wasn't meant as the only solution. Your list was excellent.

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Some guns should not be available. As long as we are a culture that glorifies guns we will have them. I dont think most people need them and the thought of a bunch of guys walking around armed all the time scares me.

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Honest question …are you willing to give up all your firearms ?

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I have an old 22 revolver, my grandfathers service pistol., a bolt action 22. A double barrel 12 gauge. a 16 gauge shotgun an old bolt action rifle from some war and a little target practice 22 rifle. All of them have been passed down from relatives. I dont have the ones guys carrry or the ak 47 etc. Havent shot most in years. I dont think these types of guns are tge pronblem. I dont sneak around with them or sleep with them or clean them every other day. I think i would pass them down to my 2 sons and son in law and 4 male grandkids and let them make that decision. Bad answer but probably true. I am not at the ranch often enough to need them anymore.

PS I asked my brother abut the rifle. Its a 7.65 Argentine Mauser my Dad bought for $20 used at the old Cogdel store. I killed my first nd only deer with it. I was never patient enough to hunt

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Ghostrider said:

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tommie said:

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ScottS said:

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SIC EM 94 said:

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ScottS said:

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Our school district has a policeman at each school. They implemented this in reaction Sandy Hook years ago. And guess what, no school shootings at any school in this district. The politicians in DC always have a back and forth but their solutions are all talk. They aren't on the local level and their solutions (and talk) won't solve anything.

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If you think having a policeman at each school in your district is why there haven't been any shootings, I think you are mistaken. It's certainly possible that has helped, but the fact that there hasn't been a shooting is more likely due to the law of averages than anything else. Your line of thinking is along the lines of schools are "gun free zones"…that makes no difference whatsoever on whether or not a shooting will take place.

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There is a reason these nutballs go to unguarded places. So I'm going to disagree with you. And I'm not for gun free zones at all. You need guns in the hands of good guys like police. Licensed gun holders/police.

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There was an armed retired police officer at the store in Buffalo. These shooters don't care about life, there's it ours.

You haven't had a shooting because this ain't normal ***** Still it happens.

Uvalde, Texas? I bet they were teachers armed at that school.

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Was he wearing a police vest in a marked car? Either way, like you say it will not stop everything, but I bet it would stop 80% from ever occurring.

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I don't understand how you guys try to ascribe qualities like forethought and reasonableness to people who clearly don't give a damn.

Why would a guy willing to drive 200 miles to kill people care if there's marked car outside?

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the best thing I've read is limited access and a vestibule style entry.

Elementary schools - focus on outside threats.
-Secure the perimeter from people sneaking in a side door.
-All visitors come in through one entrance.
-A secure door between the receptionist and rest of school, all visitors must sign in name and purpose before being let in.

Middle/High schools - focus on male students.
-Police resource officer for deterrence
-Any social media threats are automatic 2 week suspension

cowboycwr said:

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1. Armed police officers works for districts that can afford an officer per school. It doesn't work for smaller schools.
And as pointed out it doesn't always help if the officer does nothing like the Florida shooting.

2. Then there is the issue that they can't be everywhere at once and a shooter can still get in to the school.

3. Someone mentioned the locked doors. This is huge. There should be one entrance used to the school. Which is a problem at older schools that have multiple buildings like detached gyms, locker rooms, band halls, etc.

4. All schools need the locked outer door and an interior vestibule door that is locked.

5. Then go a step further and the glass on both doors and windows next to them need to be bullet resistant. I know of plenty of schools that have the two door system but both are just regular safety glass. Hard to break with a rock, chair, etc. but a gun would be able to shoot it out.

6. Panic button at the front desk.

7. Front desk person armed/ safe with locked gun. Or at minimum something like a can of bear spray.

8. Armed staff

9. Lots of drills. Currently in Texas schools have to do two lock down/active shooter drills a year. It should be more. With practice on what to do.

10. All classrooms should have devices used to jam the doors shut. There are a lot of options for any type of door.

All of these don't need to be done but at least two or 3 would help a lot.

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Yeah, I really want my grandkids to spent their school hours doing lots of active shooter drills and investing time and energy in all of the rest of this stuff instead of actually learning how to read, right and do arithemetic so Cowboy can open carry.

Wangchung said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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Wangchung said:

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In addition to other things, how about enough cameras to cover the school and a dedicated observer of said cameras.

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How about SicEm banning you for suggesting my parents should be dead instead of simply deleting the thread about Uvalde that you sullied and then letting you continue to spew venem?

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Aw, you didn't like the response you got after saying I and all Republicans and nra members were responsible for the deaths of those children? Well, you're right. I should have never lowered myself to your level.

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I disagree with Katz on basically everything. And I think you are a despicable human being for what you posted. Just disgusting behavior well worth a lifetime ban.

20 dead.

https://abc13.com/uvalde-texas-robb-elementary-school-active-shooter-district-lockdown/11889693/

BearTruth13 said:

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Wangchung said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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Wangchung said:

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In addition to other things, how about enough cameras to cover the school and a dedicated observer of said cameras.

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How about SicEm banning you for suggesting my parents should be dead instead of simply deleting the thread about Uvalde that you sullied and then letting you continue to spew venem?

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Aw, you didn't like the response you got after saying I and all Republicans and nra members were responsible for the deaths of those children? Well, you're right. I should have never lowered myself to your level.

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I disagree with Katz on basically everything. And I think you are a despicable human being for what you posted. Just disgusting behavior well worth a lifetime ban.

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Yup. It was wrong of me to lower myself and react to such a scumbag post by Katz in kind. I let my emotions get the better of me. I'm sorry for my actions. Truly.

The shooter engaged with an officer at the school and still got in

Wangchung said:

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BearTruth13 said:

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Wangchung said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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Wangchung said:

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In addition to other things, how about enough cameras to cover the school and a dedicated observer of said cameras.

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How about SicEm banning you for suggesting my parents should be dead instead of simply deleting the thread about Uvalde that you sullied and then letting you continue to spew venem?

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Aw, you didn't like the response you got after saying I and all Republicans and nra members were responsible for the deaths of those children? Well, you're right. I should have never lowered myself to your level.

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I disagree with Katz on basically everything. And I think you are a despicable human being for what you posted. Just disgusting behavior well worth a lifetime ban.

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Yup. It was wrong of me to lower myself and react to such a scumbag post by Katz in kind. I let my emotions get the better of me. I'm sorry for my actions. Truly.

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What a nothing burger of an apology

Redbrickbear said:

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To start with the $40 billion we just sent to a corrupt regime in Ukraine (much of the money being laundered by the DC ruling class) should have been spent securing our schools.

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Maybe some of the gazillion COVID bucks not yet spent would suffice.

My freshman year I met a girl from Uvalde. I don't remember her name but remember her being kind.

I remember her because she hated leaving the big city of Waco to go back to a small town. I hope her family is well.

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Wangchung said:

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BearTruth13 said:

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Wangchung said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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Wangchung said:

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In addition to other things, how about enough cameras to cover the school and a dedicated observer of said cameras.

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How about SicEm banning you for suggesting my parents should be dead instead of simply deleting the thread about Uvalde that you sullied and then letting you continue to spew venem?

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Aw, you didn't like the response you got after saying I and all Republicans and nra members were responsible for the deaths of those children? Well, you're right. I should have never lowered myself to your level.

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I disagree with Katz on basically everything. And I think you are a despicable human being for what you posted. Just disgusting behavior well worth a lifetime ban.

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Yup. It was wrong of me to lower myself and react to such a scumbag post by Katz in kind. I let my emotions get the better of me. I'm sorry for my actions. Truly.

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What a nothing burger of an apology

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It's an apology to the rest of you who shouldn't have to read such garbage. Not to the scumbag who accused me, as an nra member and Republican, of being responsible for the deaths of those children. Y'all deserve better.

Green&Gold/Maize&Blue said:

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The shooter engaged with an officer at the school and still got in

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Nicholas Cruz did not engage with any armed officer on campus.

The officer sat 500 yards away for 45 mins during the shooting.

pretty easy to do..... lots ot basic practical ideas presented above.

but - we'd rather send raytheon and lockheed martin and pfizer trillions for bogus wars and worthless "vaccines" for manufactured diseases to appease the corporate lobbyists and enrich members of congress.

- kkm

tommie said:

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Ghostrider said:

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tommie said:

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ScottS said:

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SIC EM 94 said:

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ScottS said:

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Our school district has a policeman at each school. They implemented this in reaction Sandy Hook years ago. And guess what, no school shootings at any school in this district. The politicians in DC always have a back and forth but their solutions are all talk. They aren't on the local level and their solutions (and talk) won't solve anything.

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If you think having a policeman at each school in your district is why there haven't been any shootings, I think you are mistaken. It's certainly possible that has helped, but the fact that there hasn't been a shooting is more likely due to the law of averages than anything else. Your line of thinking is along the lines of schools are "gun free zones"…that makes no difference whatsoever on whether or not a shooting will take place.

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There is a reason these nutballs go to unguarded places. So I'm going to disagree with you. And I'm not for gun free zones at all. You need guns in the hands of good guys like police. Licensed gun holders/police.

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There was an armed retired police officer at the store in Buffalo. These shooters don't care about life, there's it ours.

You haven't had a shooting because this ain't normal ***** Still it happens.

Uvalde, Texas? I bet they were teachers armed at that school.

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Was he wearing a police vest in a marked car? Either way, like you say it will not stop everything, but I bet it would stop 80% from ever occurring.

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I don't understand how you guys try to ascribe qualities like forethought and reasonableness to people who clearly don't give a damn.

Why would a guy willing to drive 200 miles to kill people care if there's marked car outside?

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Same reason most highly secured areas don't get shot up.

J.B.Katz said:

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cowboycwr said:

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1. Armed police officers works for districts that can afford an officer per school. It doesn't work for smaller schools.
And as pointed out it doesn't always help if the officer does nothing like the Florida shooting.

2. Then there is the issue that they can't be everywhere at once and a shooter can still get in to the school.

3. Someone mentioned the locked doors. This is huge. There should be one entrance used to the school. Which is a problem at older schools that have multiple buildings like detached gyms, locker rooms, band halls, etc.

4. All schools need the locked outer door and an interior vestibule door that is locked.

5. Then go a step further and the glass on both doors and windows next to them need to be bullet resistant. I know of plenty of schools that have the two door system but both are just regular safety glass. Hard to break with a rock, chair, etc. but a gun would be able to shoot it out.

6. Panic button at the front desk.

7. Front desk person armed/ safe with locked gun. Or at minimum something like a can of bear spray.

8. Armed staff

9. Lots of drills. Currently in Texas schools have to do two lock down/active shooter drills a year. It should be more. With practice on what to do.

10. All classrooms should have devices used to jam the doors shut. There are a lot of options for any type of door.

All of these don't need to be done but at least two or 3 would help a lot.

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Yeah, I really want my grandkids to spent their school hours doing lots of active shooter drills and investing time and energy in all of the rest of this stuff instead of actually learning how to read, right and do arithemetic so Cowboy can open carry.

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tommie said:

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My freshman year I met a girl from Uvalde. I don't remember her name but remember her being kind.

I remember her because she hated leaving the big city of Waco to go back to a small town. I hope her family is well.

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wasn't van mcelroy from there??

(for us old timers)

- kkm

dolph briscoe, johnny rodriguez and part-time resident matt mac- aka bongo joe.

nice little town I pass thru every so often.

J.B.Katz said:

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cowboycwr said:

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1. Armed police officers works for districts that can afford an officer per school. It doesn't work for smaller schools.
And as pointed out it doesn't always help if the officer does nothing like the Florida shooting.

2. Then there is the issue that they can't be everywhere at once and a shooter can still get in to the school.

3. Someone mentioned the locked doors. This is huge. There should be one entrance used to the school. Which is a problem at older schools that have multiple buildings like detached gyms, locker rooms, band halls, etc.

4. All schools need the locked outer door and an interior vestibule door that is locked.

5. Then go a step further and the glass on both doors and windows next to them need to be bullet resistant. I know of plenty of schools that have the two door system but both are just regular safety glass. Hard to break with a rock, chair, etc. but a gun would be able to shoot it out.

6. Panic button at the front desk.

7. Front desk person armed/ safe with locked gun. Or at minimum something like a can of bear spray.

8. Armed staff

9. Lots of drills. Currently in Texas schools have to do two lock down/active shooter drills a year. It should be more. With practice on what to do.

10. All classrooms should have devices used to jam the doors shut. There are a lot of options for any type of door.

All of these don't need to be done but at least two or 3 would help a lot.

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Yeah, I really want my grandkids to spent their school hours doing lots of active shooter drills and investing time and energy in all of the rest of this stuff instead of actually learning how to read, right and do arithemetic so Cowboy can open carry.

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unfortunately active shooters are usually nuts who can get illegal weapons very easily.

william said:

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tommie said:

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My freshman year I met a girl from Uvalde. I don't remember her name but remember her being kind.

I remember her because she hated leaving the big city of Waco to go back to a small town. I hope her family is well.

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wasn't van mcelroy from there??

(for us old timers)

- kkm

dolph briscoe, johnny rodriguez and part-time resident matt mac- aka bongo joe.

nice little town I pass thru every so often.

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He was. Before my freshman year.

Ghostrider said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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cowboycwr said:

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1. Armed police officers works for districts that can afford an officer per school. It doesn't work for smaller schools.
And as pointed out it doesn't always help if the officer does nothing like the Florida shooting.

2. Then there is the issue that they can't be everywhere at once and a shooter can still get in to the school.

3. Someone mentioned the locked doors. This is huge. There should be one entrance used to the school. Which is a problem at older schools that have multiple buildings like detached gyms, locker rooms, band halls, etc.

4. All schools need the locked outer door and an interior vestibule door that is locked.

5. Then go a step further and the glass on both doors and windows next to them need to be bullet resistant. I know of plenty of schools that have the two door system but both are just regular safety glass. Hard to break with a rock, chair, etc. but a gun would be able to shoot it out.

6. Panic button at the front desk.

7. Front desk person armed/ safe with locked gun. Or at minimum something like a can of bear spray.

8. Armed staff

9. Lots of drills. Currently in Texas schools have to do two lock down/active shooter drills a year. It should be more. With practice on what to do.

10. All classrooms should have devices used to jam the doors shut. There are a lot of options for any type of door.

All of these don't need to be done but at least two or 3 would help a lot.

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Yeah, I really want my grandkids to spent their school hours doing lots of active shooter drills and investing time and energy in all of the rest of this stuff instead of actually learning how to read, right and do arithemetic so Cowboy can open carry.

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unfortunately active shooters are usually nuts who can get illegal weapons very easily.

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are the pics on twitter correct???

- kkm

if so, yikes.

it will surface eventually.

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How do you stop a crazy person who doesn't care if they live or die?

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Yep.

Schools….especially elementary schools….are inherently soft targets. If some evil bast@rd wants to do damage they just walk around to the playground when recess starts and there are 100 kids running around outside protected by a 4' chain link fence.

Or show up at dismissal or arrival when kids are getting on or off the bus.

I really don't know how you harden an elementary as a target without making it start to feel like a prison.

The UK and Australia have severely reduced mass shooting since horrific massacres in the last 90s….but I don't see those measures ever happening here.

Ghostrider said:

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tommie said:

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Ghostrider said:

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tommie said:

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ScottS said:

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SIC EM 94 said:

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ScottS said:

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Our school district has a policeman at each school. They implemented this in reaction Sandy Hook years ago. And guess what, no school shootings at any school in this district. The politicians in DC always have a back and forth but their solutions are all talk. They aren't on the local level and their solutions (and talk) won't solve anything.

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If you think having a policeman at each school in your district is why there haven't been any shootings, I think you are mistaken. It's certainly possible that has helped, but the fact that there hasn't been a shooting is more likely due to the law of averages than anything else. Your line of thinking is along the lines of schools are "gun free zones"…that makes no difference whatsoever on whether or not a shooting will take place.

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There is a reason these nutballs go to unguarded places. So I'm going to disagree with you. And I'm not for gun free zones at all. You need guns in the hands of good guys like police. Licensed gun holders/police.

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There was an armed retired police officer at the store in Buffalo. These shooters don't care about life, there's it ours.

You haven't had a shooting because this ain't normal ***** Still it happens.

Uvalde, Texas? I bet they were teachers armed at that school.

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Was he wearing a police vest in a marked car? Either way, like you say it will not stop everything, but I bet it would stop 80% from ever occurring.

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I don't understand how you guys try to ascribe qualities like forethought and reasonableness to people who clearly don't give a damn.

Why would a guy willing to drive 200 miles to kill people care if there's marked car outside?

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Same reason most highly secured areas don't get shot up.

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Most places don't get shot up. Until they do.

Sgt. Erick Estrada of the Texas Dept of Public Safety tells @andersoncooper the shooter crashed his car near the school, got out with a gun and wearing body armor, was engaged by law enforcement, but made his way into the school anyway and went classroom to classroom shooting.

— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) May 25, 2022

Yes, more cops is surely the answer.

falconbear said:

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Sgt. Erick Estrada of the Texas Dept of Public Safety tells @andersoncooper the shooter crashed his car near the school, got out with a gun and wearing body armor, was engaged by law enforcement, but made his way into the school anyway and went classroom to classroom shooting.

— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) May 25, 2022

Yes, more cops is surely the answer.

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A Border Patrol agent who was nearby when the shooting began rushed into the school without waiting for backup and shot and killed the gunman, who was behind a barricade, according to a law enforcement official speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk about it.

The agent was wounded but able to walk out of the school, the law enforcement source said.

It is funny how those on the far right in politics want to call anyone a murderer who supports any type of abortion rights even if it is early and rape but will not acknowledge that the easy access to guns in our culture makes these massacres more frequent and easier to commit

It is funny how those on the far left think a baby is nothing more than a cluster of cells right up until birth but are outraged by any mass shooting (besides the very frequent black on black killings because that would be racist)

The reasons and causes of these mass shootings are complex. It primarily is a reflection of the increasingly higher number of folks who are spiritually void and mentally ill. There are no quick fix from the left (European style gun control) or the right (more police and or "good guys" carrying) that would totally eliminate these episodes.

falconbear said:

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Sgt. Erick Estrada of the Texas Dept of Public Safety tells @andersoncooper the shooter crashed his car near the school, got out with a gun and wearing body armor, was engaged by law enforcement, but made his way into the school anyway and went classroom to classroom shooting.

— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) May 25, 2022

Yes, more cops is surely the answer.

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And zero cops is the answer, right? Question...would kind of school would Anderson Cooper send kids to?