Jack Bauer said:

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falconbear said:

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Sgt. Erick Estrada of the Texas Dept of Public Safety tells @andersoncooper the shooter crashed his car near the school, got out with a gun and wearing body armor, was engaged by law enforcement, but made his way into the school anyway and went classroom to classroom shooting.

— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) May 25, 2022

Yes, more cops is surely the answer.

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A Border Patrol agent who was nearby when the shooting began rushed into the school without waiting for backup and shot and killed the gunman, who was behind a barricade, according to a law enforcement official speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk about it.

The agent was wounded but able to walk out of the school, the law enforcement source said.

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So maybe we need 2 cops at each of the 8,000 elementaries in Texas

J.B.Katz said:

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cowboycwr said:

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1. Armed police officers works for districts that can afford an officer per school. It doesn't work for smaller schools.
And as pointed out it doesn't always help if the officer does nothing like the Florida shooting.

2. Then there is the issue that they can't be everywhere at once and a shooter can still get in to the school.

3. Someone mentioned the locked doors. This is huge. There should be one entrance used to the school. Which is a problem at older schools that have multiple buildings like detached gyms, locker rooms, band halls, etc.

4. All schools need the locked outer door and an interior vestibule door that is locked.

5. Then go a step further and the glass on both doors and windows next to them need to be bullet resistant. I know of plenty of schools that have the two door system but both are just regular safety glass. Hard to break with a rock, chair, etc. but a gun would be able to shoot it out.

6. Panic button at the front desk.

7. Front desk person armed/ safe with locked gun. Or at minimum something like a can of bear spray.

8. Armed staff

9. Lots of drills. Currently in Texas schools have to do two lock down/active shooter drills a year. It should be more. With practice on what to do.

10. All classrooms should have devices used to jam the doors shut. There are a lot of options for any type of door.

All of these don't need to be done but at least two or 3 would help a lot.

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Yeah, I really want my grandkids to spent their school hours doing lots of active shooter drills and investing time and energy in all of the rest of this stuff instead of actually learning how to read, right and do arithemetic so Cowboy can open carry.

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What the Hell does open carry have to do with school shootings? You are so consumed by your dream of banning guns, that you make the most irrelevant posts over and over. Can you please try and think like an adult?

boognish_bear said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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falconbear said:

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Sgt. Erick Estrada of the Texas Dept of Public Safety tells @andersoncooper the shooter crashed his car near the school, got out with a gun and wearing body armor, was engaged by law enforcement, but made his way into the school anyway and went classroom to classroom shooting.

— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) May 25, 2022

Yes, more cops is surely the answer.

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A Border Patrol agent who was nearby when the shooting began rushed into the school without waiting for backup and shot and killed the gunman, who was behind a barricade, according to a law enforcement official speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk about it.

The agent was wounded but able to walk out of the school, the law enforcement source said.

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So maybe we need 2 cops at each of the 8,000 elementaries in Texas

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4 - or more. great op for recently retired military.

ingress needs to be almost impossible -

Ok, try to repeal it.https://t.co/p1CNeHOMRu

— Stephen L. Miller (@redsteeze) May 24, 2022

jimdue said:

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It is funny how those on the far right in politics want to call anyone a murderer who supports any type of abortion rights even if it is early and rape but will not acknowledge that the easy access to guns in our culture makes these massacres more frequent and easier to commit

It is funny how those on the far left think a baby is nothing more than a cluster of cells right up until birth but are outraged by any mass shooting (besides the very frequent black on black killings because that would be racist)

The reasons and causes of these mass shootings are complex. It primarily is a reflection of the increasingly higher number of folks who are spiritually void and mentally ill. There are no quick fix from the left (European style gun control) or the right (more police and or "good guys" carrying) that would totally eliminate these episodes.

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Funny?

No perfect answer.

Arm every adult who is willing to take classes, get an LTC, and have everyone train once a quarter.

Predators go look for prey.

We as a country need to quit being lazy, complacent amd fulfilled. We need to stop putting people in Congress or electing idiots to help defeat us who sent them
There. We need to look out for each other and show compassion for others.

It is true that some school districts are blessed with high property values which means tax revenues are plentiful. It is also true that the state has a maximum limit of how much value is allowed per student. We call this "Robin Hood" (Chapter 41). This means that these "rich" school districts send the disallowed amount of tax money back to the state coffers. This money is re-distributed to less property rich districts.

In addition, districts that do not have a significant property value base also tend to have significant percentages of economically disadvantaged students. The state provides additional funding for educating disadvantaged students.

In reality many of the so called "poor" districts have more money to spend per student that the districts we view as being "rich". Therefore, it is actually more likely that poorer districts would be able to afford more security that many districts in more prosperous locales.

Secure, controlled entrances.
Highly-trained law enforcement in numbers equal to one-half the number of entrances.
Only ONE entrance accessible during the school day.
High-grade recorded video at all entrances/exits, hallways and common areas.
Crisis response training for all educators and staff.
Classroom doors with crisis/emergency manual locks.
No windows on inside walls. Minimal security-viewing bullet-resistant windows on doors.
Detailed and aggressive investigation of anyone issuing threats of violence to others, as well as mental health intervention as indicated by clinical signs or symptoms.

Man….I can't believe there are still families waiting to hear final word this late. Can't even imagine being in that situation.

I just spoke to Ronnie Garza, a Uvalde County Commissioner who has lived here his whole life. Fighting tears, he said, “Our community is about faith and hard work. And this has really come as a shock to us. We just never thought of something like this hitting our community.”

— Niki Griswold (@nikigriswold) May 25, 2022

It’s getting dark and there are still plenty of families waiting for any news about their children pic.twitter.com/OF7KUWAxAs

— Niki Griswold (@nikigriswold) May 25, 2022

I grew up on Air Force bases. There was a gate on them to enter. Barbed wire around all perimeters. We need to isolate our schools like this. Kids enter every morning and all parents KNOW they are protected for the day.

— steve dennis (@stevenwdennis) May 25, 2022

SIC EM 94 said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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cowboycwr said:

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1. Armed police officers works for districts that can afford an officer per school. It doesn't work for smaller schools.
And as pointed out it doesn't always help if the officer does nothing like the Florida shooting.

2. Then there is the issue that they can't be everywhere at once and a shooter can still get in to the school.

3. Someone mentioned the locked doors. This is huge. There should be one entrance used to the school. Which is a problem at older schools that have multiple buildings like detached gyms, locker rooms, band halls, etc.

4. All schools need the locked outer door and an interior vestibule door that is locked.

5. Then go a step further and the glass on both doors and windows next to them need to be bullet resistant. I know of plenty of schools that have the two door system but both are just regular safety glass. Hard to break with a rock, chair, etc. but a gun would be able to shoot it out.

6. Panic button at the front desk.

7. Front desk person armed/ safe with locked gun. Or at minimum something like a can of bear spray.

8. Armed staff

9. Lots of drills. Currently in Texas schools have to do two lock down/active shooter drills a year. It should be more. With practice on what to do.

10. All classrooms should have devices used to jam the doors shut. There are a lot of options for any type of door.

All of these don't need to be done but at least two or 3 would help a lot.

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Yeah, I really want my grandkids to spent their school hours doing lots of active shooter drills and investing time and energy in all of the rest of this stuff instead of actually learning how to read, right and do arithemetic so Cowboy can open carry.

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What the Hell does open carry have to do with school shootings? You are so consumed by your dream of banning guns, that you make the most irrelevant posts over and over. Can you please try and think like an adult?

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First of all, God be with these families who lost someone in this horrific tragedy right now. And those children who were at that school and will never be the same. I can't even imagine.
Banning guns always sounds like a simplistic and good answer on paper, but it doesn't change the fact that any of these animals who have attacked schools would have gotten their hands on one anyway. Because you know that "banning" (or even restricting) guns doesn't mean they disappear, or that bad people won't access them anyway.
And evil people find ways of finding evil ways to harm other people.
But strange when you consider that the side of the aisle who most frequently wants a banning/restricting of guns is perfectly fine with open borders (and God only knows what's coming across the border)... it makes it all totally disingenuous. You want our schools protected by banning guns, but you don't want to protect our borders?
I understand the frustration, but looking at this so simplistically doesn't cover all the bases when it comes to evil mindsets.

jimdue said:

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It is funny how those on the far right in politics want to call anyone a murderer who supports any type of abortion rights even if it is early and rape but will not acknowledge that the easy access to guns in our culture makes these massacres more frequent and easier to commit

It is funny how those on the far left think a baby is nothing more than a cluster of cells right up until birth but are outraged by any mass shooting (besides the very frequent black on black killings because that would be racist)

The reasons and causes of these mass shootings are complex. It primarily is a reflection of the increasingly higher number of folks who are spiritually void and mentally ill. There are no quick fix from the left (European style gun control) or the right (more police and or "good guys" carrying) that would totally eliminate these episodes.

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. I don't know anyone on the right like that. You need to get out more.

Hell, when i played basketball at Baylor, before the SLU, the outdoor basketball courts had fences and barb wire on top. You had to use your id to go through a steel turnstile. Hell something is better than. What we got now…which is nothing.

boognish_bear said:

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I grew up on Air Force bases. There was a gate on them to enter. Barbed wire around all perimeters. We need to isolate our schools like this. Kids enter every morning and all parents KNOW they are protected for the day.

— steve dennis (@stevenwdennis) May 25, 2022

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I was about to add extending the perimeter in addition to proportional security personnel and access control.

You can lock children away in a bullet proof box, surround that box with fences and barbed wire, post armed guards at each perimeter. None of those things will prevent evil from gaining access. What needs to happen is parents need to start actually raising their children again. Teach their children about love, and the greatest love of all is that of Jesus Christ. The numbers of those committing these horrific crimes will be reduced far more by that than any amount of laws, restrictions, or other measures.

Does anyone think the Steve Dennis Twitter idea is a good one? Secure schools like military bases? What an impossible and stupid idea.

Also, besides being unconstitutional, banning guns is basically an impossibility in the U.S. because this country is awash with guns. Probably more guns than people.

I think the 2 areas that should be radically strengthened are (1) overhaul of the mental health system and return to involuntary commitment use; and (2) increase funding for and increase expectations of schools and police departments to investigate referrals of crazy or threatening people. Some of the shooters in the past have been reported to authorities but too little was done.

It is also troubling that the Sandy Hook, Tops supermarket, and Uvalde shooters were all in their late teens. Our culture is producing teenagers capable of the most evil acts. Some academics should study their parents and upbringing to see where things went wrong. Again, mental health reform is the key in my opinion.

I don't think "more guns" is the answer. I don't think "no guns" is the answer either.

Frankly, I think we have deep seeded issues within our society. People fall through the cracks too often. We have a general apathy for people, a mistrust and lack of concern for our neighbor, and we've all been desensitized to these things to the point where this is now normal. I don't know how to fix it, but it's heartbreaking to watch. All I can say is hold your loved ones close, treat everyone you encounter with dignity and respect, and try to be a light in someone's life. We need people like that, and I think they're in short supply these days.

I see political opposites responding like this.

Conservatives: Security measures aren't perfect, but they work well enough for politicians, celebrities, and sporting events. We should be able to afford the same for our children. It's the most practical solution, and we can still keep our freedom.

Liberals: Security measures are aesthetically displeasing and depressing. It would be better to live in a world without guns. We may never achieve that, but repealing the 2nd Amendment would at least be a start. It's not important to my life anyway.

Like most issues, it should be a matter of balancing liberty and security.

Cheshire Bear said:

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I don't think "more guns" is the answer. I don't think "no guns" is the answer either.

Frankly, I think we have deep seeded issues within our society. People fall through the cracks too often. We have a general apathy for people, a mistrust and lack of concern for our neighbor, and we've all been desensitized to these things to the point where this is now normal. I don't know how to fix it, but it's heartbreaking to watch. All I can say is hold your loved ones close, treat everyone you encounter with dignity and respect, and try to be a light in someone's life. We need people like that, and I think they're in short supply these days.

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I agree. Mistrust contributes to anger and polarization, which have reached dangerous levels. Not that school shootings are political, but societies that are close to a political breaking point tend to have increasing crime and violence.

Here are more of the security measures, including training and drills for students and teachers, fencing, metal detectors, etc. https://t.co/Cdw8qjccd6

— Jon peltz (@JonnyPeltz) May 24, 2022

Pray for revival

TrojanMoondoggie said:

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SIC EM 94 said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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cowboycwr said:

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1. Armed police officers works for districts that can afford an officer per school. It doesn't work for smaller schools.
And as pointed out it doesn't always help if the officer does nothing like the Florida shooting.

2. Then there is the issue that they can't be everywhere at once and a shooter can still get in to the school.

3. Someone mentioned the locked doors. This is huge. There should be one entrance used to the school. Which is a problem at older schools that have multiple buildings like detached gyms, locker rooms, band halls, etc.

4. All schools need the locked outer door and an interior vestibule door that is locked.

5. Then go a step further and the glass on both doors and windows next to them need to be bullet resistant. I know of plenty of schools that have the two door system but both are just regular safety glass. Hard to break with a rock, chair, etc. but a gun would be able to shoot it out.

6. Panic button at the front desk.

7. Front desk person armed/ safe with locked gun. Or at minimum something like a can of bear spray.

8. Armed staff

9. Lots of drills. Currently in Texas schools have to do two lock down/active shooter drills a year. It should be more. With practice on what to do.

10. All classrooms should have devices used to jam the doors shut. There are a lot of options for any type of door.

All of these don't need to be done but at least two or 3 would help a lot.

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Yeah, I really want my grandkids to spent their school hours doing lots of active shooter drills and investing time and energy in all of the rest of this stuff instead of actually learning how to read, right and do arithemetic so Cowboy can open carry.

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What the Hell does open carry have to do with school shootings? You are so consumed by your dream of banning guns, that you make the most irrelevant posts over and over. Can you please try and think like an adult?

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First of all, God be with these families who lost someone in this horrific tragedy right now. And those children who were at that school and will never be the same. I can't even imagine.
Banning guns always sounds like a simplistic and good answer on paper, but it doesn't change the fact that any of these animals who have attacked schools would have gotten their hands on one anyway. Because you know that "banning" (or even restricting) guns doesn't mean they disappear, or that bad people won't access them anyway.
And evil people find ways of finding evil ways to harm other people.
But strange when you consider that the side of the aisle who most frequently wants a banning/restricting of guns is perfectly fine with open borders (and God only knows what's coming across the border)... it makes it all totally disingenuous. You want our schools protected by banning guns, but you don't want to protect our borders?
I understand the frustration, but looking at this so simplistically doesn't cover all the bases when it comes to evil mindsets.

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You are not speaking with a rational person. She is little more than a caricature at this point.

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Some guns should not be available. As long as we are a culture that glorifies guns we will have them. I dont think most people need them and the thought of a bunch of guys walking around armed all the time scares me.

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Honest question …are you willing to give up all your firearms ?

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I have an old 22 revolver, my grandfathers service pistol., a bolt action 22. A double barrel 12 gauge. a 16 gauge shotgun an old bolt action rifle from some war and a little target practice 22 rifle. All of them have been passed down from relatives. I dont have the ones guys carrry or the ak 47 etc. Havent shot most in years. I dont think these types of guns are tge pronblem. I dont sneak around with them or sleep with them or clean them every other day. I think i would pass them down to my 2 sons and son in law and 4 male grandkids and let them make that decision. Bad answer but probably true. I am not at the ranch often enough to need them anymore.

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Are you willing to give up all your pistols, rifles, and shotguns as of today ?

I am a law abiding man. At this point in my life the guns are just sentimental.

WacoKelly83 said:

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My biggest problem is with how this guy got into the school to begin with. My wife is a teacher in an elementary school in Waco and it is very hard to breech entry into the building. There is one door in with another set of magnetically sealed doors beyond that. They have no security guard. The kids and teachers are very safe from unwanted outsiders.

Being a smaller town has a lot to do with it. I would assume.

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Yesterday was election day and our local elementary school was wide open because of voting. My wife also taught decades ago in inner city schools. Her classroom door was locked during class sessions and only she and the principal had a key.

If I'm not mistaken schools can lockdown during a crisis. Maybe it is time to lock classrooms in session.

SIC EM 94 said:

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You can lock children away in a bullet proof box, surround that box with fences and barbed wire, post armed guards at each perimeter. None of those things will prevent evil from gaining access. What needs to happen is parents need to start actually raising their children again. Teach their children about love, and the greatest love of all is that of Jesus Christ. The numbers of those committing these horrific crimes will be reduced far more by that than any amount of laws, restrictions, or other measures.

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. Unfortunately what you state will never happen so we have to do what we can. Security will cut down at least half or more of the shootings imo.

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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I am a law abiding man. At this point in my life the guns are just sentimental.

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Many of mine are as well. I am all for banning ar15's, semi automatics, etc if it would prevent these type of shootings. Unfortunately, I don't think that would stop anything and second, it would just lead to calls for banning all guns…..even sentimental one's.

Proud 1992 Alum said:

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Does anyone think the Steve Dennis Twitter idea is a good one? Secure schools like military bases? What an impossible and stupid idea.

Also, besides being unconstitutional, banning guns is basically an impossibility in the U.S. because this country is awash with guns. Probably more guns than people.

I think the 2 areas that should be radically strengthened are (1) overhaul of the mental health system and return to involuntary commitment use; and (2) increase funding for and increase expectations of schools and police departments to investigate referrals of crazy or threatening people. Some of the shooters in the past have been reported to authorities but too little was done.

It is also troubling that the Sandy Hook, Tops supermarket, and Uvalde shooters were all in their late teens. Our culture is producing teenagers capable of the most evil acts. Some academics should study their parents and upbringing to see where things went wrong. Again, mental health reform is the key in my opinion.

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You can't secure schools like military bases. You can better control access and access flow. Fences are part of that. Most schools already have fences around all sorts of areas for security. Try getting into the football stadium when closed. Perimeter extension is simply a way to better secure the inflow and outflow of people. And you can adjust to peak times (school start/school end).

While I may agree with your sentiment on mental health and troubling trend of disturbed teenagers, the actual ability from a legal perspective to legislate better parenting or privacy invading mental health monitoring is as direct an impact on freedom as gun confiscation. And let's be further honest with ourselves. Other countries have an equal issue with troubled teens and mental health, but they don't deal with the same number of tragedies we do here. We unfortunately have a tragic freedom dividend in this country from a legal and cultural perspective.

Most if not all schools already have a coordinated see something say something policy. There have been students suspended from school for drawing a gun and having a bunny locket with sharp ears. There will be impacts of making that even broader as governments are decidedly poor at zero tolerance policies.

So I'm going with the most practical and realistic impact of making a consistent soft target harder. There are ways, which won't be impervious to tragedy, but likely can curtail and/or contain the damage of future incidences if we commit the resources.

Politicians will keep playing to their base. They will start using the same tiresome talking points on both sides and nothing will get done. Every politician so afraid to meet in the middle bc they will be lambasted on Twitter and elsewhere.

Just meet in the middle somewhere. Agree to more thorough background checks, longer wait periods for items such as AR 15's, etc. Liberals agree to increased security at schools and better training for teachers. Got to start somewhere.

BREAKING: The shooter in the Robb Elementary School had legally purchased two AR platform rifles on May 17 and May 20 from a 'local federal firearms licensee,' according to a briefing given to Texas Sen. John Whitmire. One rifle was in his crashed truck at the scene. (1/3)

— Tony Plohetski (@tplohetski) May 25, 2022

The information about a pursuit is not accurate, according to the briefing. The grandmother apparently worked at the school but ended in 2020. The suspect's grandmother is still alive. (3/3)

— Tony Plohetski (@tplohetski) May 25, 2022

SIC EM 94 said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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cowboycwr said:

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1. Armed police officers works for districts that can afford an officer per school. It doesn't work for smaller schools.
And as pointed out it doesn't always help if the officer does nothing like the Florida shooting.

2. Then there is the issue that they can't be everywhere at once and a shooter can still get in to the school.

3. Someone mentioned the locked doors. This is huge. There should be one entrance used to the school. Which is a problem at older schools that have multiple buildings like detached gyms, locker rooms, band halls, etc.

4. All schools need the locked outer door and an interior vestibule door that is locked.

5. Then go a step further and the glass on both doors and windows next to them need to be bullet resistant. I know of plenty of schools that have the two door system but both are just regular safety glass. Hard to break with a rock, chair, etc. but a gun would be able to shoot it out.

6. Panic button at the front desk.

7. Front desk person armed/ safe with locked gun. Or at minimum something like a can of bear spray.

8. Armed staff

9. Lots of drills. Currently in Texas schools have to do two lock down/active shooter drills a year. It should be more. With practice on what to do.

10. All classrooms should have devices used to jam the doors shut. There are a lot of options for any type of door.

All of these don't need to be done but at least two or 3 would help a lot.

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Yeah, I really want my grandkids to spent their school hours doing lots of active shooter drills and investing time and energy in all of the rest of this stuff instead of actually learning how to read, right and do arithemetic so Cowboy can open carry.

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What the Hell does open carry have to do with school shootings? You are so consumed by your dream of banning guns, that you make the most irrelevant posts over and over. Can you please try and think like an adult?

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I don't want to ban guns.

I just want to restrict who can buy them so troubled 18-year-old kids can't buy assault weapons the week after they turn 18 and kill 19 kids and 2 teachers in an elementary school. Does that sound like a reasonble goal to you?

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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I am a law abiding man. At this point in my life the guns are just sentimental.

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Ghostrider said:

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Politicians will keep playing to their base. They will start using the same tiresome talking points on both sides and nothing will get done. Every politician so afraid to meet in the middle bc they will be lambasted on Twitter and elsewhere.

Just meet in the middle somewhere. Agree to more thorough background checks, longer wait periods for items such as AR 15's, etc. Liberals agree to increased security at schools and better training for teachers. Got to start somewhere.

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Yep. Too practical and requiring of political sacrifice.

J.B.Katz said:

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SIC EM 94 said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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cowboycwr said:

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1. Armed police officers works for districts that can afford an officer per school. It doesn't work for smaller schools.
And as pointed out it doesn't always help if the officer does nothing like the Florida shooting.

2. Then there is the issue that they can't be everywhere at once and a shooter can still get in to the school.

3. Someone mentioned the locked doors. This is huge. There should be one entrance used to the school. Which is a problem at older schools that have multiple buildings like detached gyms, locker rooms, band halls, etc.

4. All schools need the locked outer door and an interior vestibule door that is locked.

5. Then go a step further and the glass on both doors and windows next to them need to be bullet resistant. I know of plenty of schools that have the two door system but both are just regular safety glass. Hard to break with a rock, chair, etc. but a gun would be able to shoot it out.

6. Panic button at the front desk.

7. Front desk person armed/ safe with locked gun. Or at minimum something like a can of bear spray.

8. Armed staff

9. Lots of drills. Currently in Texas schools have to do two lock down/active shooter drills a year. It should be more. With practice on what to do.

10. All classrooms should have devices used to jam the doors shut. There are a lot of options for any type of door.

All of these don't need to be done but at least two or 3 would help a lot.

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Yeah, I really want my grandkids to spent their school hours doing lots of active shooter drills and investing time and energy in all of the rest of this stuff instead of actually learning how to read, right and do arithemetic so Cowboy can open carry.

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What the Hell does open carry have to do with school shootings? You are so consumed by your dream of banning guns, that you make the most irrelevant posts over and over. Can you please try and think like an adult?

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I don't want to ban guns.

I just want to restrict who can buy them so troubled 18-year-old kids can't buy assault weapons the week after they turn 18 and kill 19 kids and 2 teachers in an elementary school. Does that sound like a reasonble goal to you?

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. What is a troubled kid? What troubling thing in his life would have prevented him from getting a gun? Knowing that he was bullied? Knowing he failed 12th grade? Knowing he wore eyeliner? Serious questions.