"Do something. Do any thing."

"Here's a thing."

"Not THAT" pic.twitter.com/gxGC8p5bMt

— Stephen L. Miller (@redsteeze) May 26, 2022

The answer …….

Suspend Patients Rights Laws .

Telling you guys right now…..cops can NOT force clearly dangerous mentally ill individuals into hospitals against their will.

Until AFTER a crime is committed . Have seen it happen over and over .

Unless we as a country admit the obvious and correct Patient Rights Laws ……these slaughters will continue .

Barack Obama - man this mass shooting at an elementary school sure took the spotlight of talking about George Floyd again.

As we grieve the children of Uvalde today, we should take time to recognize that two years have passed since the murder of George Floyd under the knee of a police officer. His killing stays with us all to this day, especially those who loved him.

— Barack Obama (@BarackObama) May 25, 2022

In 2018, a school shooting in Ocala, Florida was limited to only one student being injured thanks to a school resource officer (via CBS News):

At Dixon High School in Illinois, also in 2018, a school resource officer was able to shoot a gunman before anyone else was harmed (via NYT):

Another would-be shooter in Maryland was stopped by a school resource officer. This also occurred in 2018 (via Baltimore Sun):

In 2021, a school resource officer stopped a shooting at Hinkley High School, keeping the suspects in the parking lot. Three teenagers were injured in the attack, but no fatalities (via 9News):

In 2013, at Arapahoe High School in Centennial, Colorado, Karl Pierson tried to commit a mass casualty event. It only lasted 80 seconds after he was confronted by a school resource officer. Tragically, he was able to kill one student. Pierson intended to kill as many as possible according to authorities at the time

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Barack Obama - man this mass shooting at an elementary school sure took the spotlight of talking about George Floyd again.

As we grieve the children of Uvalde today, we should take time to recognize that two years have passed since the murder of George Floyd under the knee of a police officer. His killing stays with us all to this day, especially those who loved him.

— Barack Obama (@BarackObama) May 25, 2022

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"Screw them dead Texas kids, we need to acknowledge Saint George Floyd…it's his holy day of martyrdom"

MORE from the Richardson Police Department: pic.twitter.com/RArcQ5bHfM

— Brian Tyler Cohen (@briantylercohen) May 25, 2022

2 students from this tragedy are still missing, how is this possible? Did they run from the school?

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Do our resident leftists actually believe that by banning guns, it will keep guns out of the hands of criminals and mentally deranged ****tards?

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What "resident leftists"?

You folks have run off the moderates and Hillary Clinton Democrats that now meet in the middle with the GWBush Republicans, aka RINOs on this site, and if there were ever any Bernie bros in the fellowship here, I don't remember them.

I only came to make sure you folks at least discussed the SBC sex abuse report, since some of those topics are either ignored completely on this site because they aren't reported in the rightwing news media or are dismissed as a fictive products of the evil MSM.

Then we had another mass shooting. In Texas. A really awful one. You were predictable. Don't matter how many kids die; guns rule.

I'll be outahere soon. This has always been a sandbox where viewed shared by max 20% to 40% of Americans, depending on the issue, are presented as mainstream, enforced by moderators who ban smart and funny gadflies like Bubbadog for his polical views but allow Wangchung to spew hate with impunity.

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Bye liar.

Maybe people should start paying attention to the warning signs. This is what the shooter's own friends had to say about him:

https://www.rawstory.com/salvador-ramos/?cx_testId=15&cx_testVariant=cx_1&cx_artPos=0&cx_experienceId=EXQZWTHDAGO3&fs=e&s=cl#cxrecs_s

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2 students from this tragedy are still missing, how is this possible? Did they run from the school?

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I read earlier they were among the dead.

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Do our resident leftists actually believe that by banning guns, it will keep guns out of the hands of criminals and mentally deranged ****tards?

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What "resident leftists"?

You folks have run off the moderates and Hillary Clinton Democrats that now meet in the middle with the GWBush Republicans, aka RINOs on this site, and if there were ever any Bernie bros in the fellowship here, I don't remember them.

I only came to make sure you folks at least discussed the SBC sex abuse report, since some of those topics are either ignored completely on this site because they aren't reported in the rightwing news media or are dismissed as a fictive products of the evil MSM.

Then we had another mass shooting. In Texas. A really awful one. You were predictable. Don't matter how many kids die; guns rule.

I'll be outahere soon. This has always been a sandbox where viewed shared by max 20% to 40% of Americans, depending on the issue, are presented as mainstream, enforced by moderators who ban smart and funny gadflies like Bubbadog for his polical views but allow Wangchung to spew hate with impunity.

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debunked!

the mods have also banned Florda Mike and Wuzzy..

Thanks Obama. Ead

Banning doesnt mean much. Banned members change names and come back.

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Banning doesnt mean much. Banned members change names and come back.

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That's just crazy, IMO. If I ever ended up banned, I'd take the hint.

I'm sure this will all become clearer as facts get sorted in the weeks to come….but this doesn't sound great

The Texas officials have glossed over this, but by their account, the gunman was first spotted outside the school by an armed school resource officer who did not fire at him, but instead confronted him and “followed him in” to the school. That needs to be explained.

— Ken Dilanian (@KenDilanianNBC) May 25, 2022

During an interview on Fox News, Texas AG Ken Paxton called for more staff at schools to be trained and armed with weapons. https://t.co/hIPG1Zz4yX

— WFAA (@wfaa) May 25, 2022

Reminder that active shooter drills are especially worthless now because the war on elementary schoolers has been going on for long enough that the active shooters also went through active shooter drills

— moby dickgirl (@epistemophagy) May 25, 2022

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I'm sure this will all become clearer as facts get sorted in the weeks to come….but this doesn't sound great

The Texas officials have glossed over this, but by their account, the gunman was first spotted outside the school by an armed school resource officer who did not fire at him, but instead confronted him and “followed him in” to the school. That needs to be explained.

— Ken Dilanian (@KenDilanianNBC) May 25, 2022

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I can explain it. If the officer shot the kid he would be vilified as a trigger happy cop who shot/killed a poor sweet innocent boy who wasn't going to hurt anyone.

Sen. Ted Cruz at Robb Elementary school today. Sharing his thoughts on the shooting pic.twitter.com/OpnhIm5TlT

— Simone De Alba (@Simone_DeAlba) May 25, 2022

https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683

Onlookers urged police to charge into Texas school

People walk with flowers to honor the victims in Tuesday's shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, Wednesday, May 25, 2022. Desperation turned to heart-wrenching sorrow for families of grade schoolers killed after an 18-year-old gunman barricaded himself in their Texas classroom and began shooting, killing at least 19 fourth-graders and their two teachers. (AP Photo/Jae C. Hong)
UVALDE, Texas (AP) Frustrated onlookers urged police officers to charge into the Texas elementary school where a gunman's rampage killed 19 children and two teachers, witnesses said Wednesday, as investigators worked to track the massacre that lasted upwards of 40 minutes and ended when the 18-year-old shooter was killed by a Border Patrol team.

"Go in there! Go in there!" nearby women shouted at the officers soon after the attack began, said Juan Carranza, 24, who saw the scene from outside his house, across the street from Robb Elementary School in the close-knit town of Uvalde. Carranza said the officers did not go in.

Javier Cazares, whose fourth grade daughter, Jacklyn Cazares, was killed in the attack, said he raced to the school when he heard about the shooting, arriving while police were still gathered outside the building.

Upset that police were not moving in, he raised the idea of charging into the school with several other bystanders.

"Let's just rush in because the cops aren't doing anything like they are supposed to," he said. "More could have been done."

"They were unprepared," he added.

Minutes earlier, Carranza had watched as Salvador Ramos crashed his truck into a ditch outside the school, grabbed his AR-15-style semi-automatic rifle and shot at two people outside a nearby funeral home who ran away uninjured.

Officials say he "encountered" a school district security officer outside the school, though there were conflicting reports from authorities on whether the men exchanged gunfire. After running inside, he fired on two arriving Uvalde police officers who were outside the building, said Texas Department of Public Safety spokesperson Travis Considine. The police officers were injured.

After entering the school, Ramos charged into one classroom and began to kill.

He "barricaded himself by locking the door and just started shooting children and teachers that were inside that classroom," Lt. Christopher Olivarez of the Department of Public Safety told CNN. "It just shows you the complete evil of the shooter."

All those killed were in the same classroom, he said.

Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw told reporters that 40 minutes to an hour elapsed from when Ramos opened fire on the school security officer to when the tactical team shot him, though a department spokesman said later that they could not give a solid estimate of how long the gunman was in the school or when he was killed.

"The bottom line is law enforcement was there," McCraw said. "They did engage immediately. They did contain (Ramos) in the classroom."

Meanwhile, a law enforcement official familiar with the investigation said the Border Patrol agents had trouble breaching the classroom door and had to get a staff member to open the room with a key. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly about the ongoing investigation.

Carranza said the officers should have entered the school sooner.

"There were more of them. There was just one of him," he said.

Uvalde is a largely Latino town of some 16,000 people about 75 miles (120 kilometers) from the Mexican border. Robb Elementary, which has nearly 600 students in second, third and fourth grades, is a single-story brick structure in a mostly residential neighborhood of modest homes.

Before attacking the school, Ramos shot and wounded his grandmother at the home they shared, authorities said.

Neighbor Gilbert Gallegos, 82, who lives across the street and has known the family for decades, said he was puttering in his yard when he heard the shots.

Ramos ran out the front door and across the small yard to the truck parked in front of the house. He seemed panicked, Gallegos said, and had trouble getting the truck out of park.

Then he raced away: "He spun out, I mean fast," spraying gravel in the air.

His grandmother emerged covered in blood: "She says, 'Berto, this is what he did. He shot me.'" She was hospitalized.

Gallegos, whose wife called 911, said he had heard no arguments before or after the shots, and knew of no history of bullying or abuse of Ramos, who he rarely saw.

Investigators also shed no light on Ramos' motive for the attack, which also left at least 17 people wounded. Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said Ramos, a resident of the small town about 85 miles (135 kilometers) west of San Antonio, had no known criminal or mental health history.

"We don't see a motive or catalyst right now," said McCraw of the Department of Public Safety.

Ramos legally bought the rifle and a second one like it last week, just after his birthday, authorities said.

About a half-hour before the mass shooting, Ramos sent the first of three online messages warning about his plans, Abbott said.

Ramos wrote that he was going to shoot his grandmother, then that he had shot the woman. In the last note, sent about 15 minutes before he reached Robb Elementary, he said he was going to shoot up an elementary school, according to Abbott. Investigators said Ramos did not specify which school.

Ramos sent the private, one-to-one text messages via Facebook, said company spokesman Andy Stone.

Grief engulfed Uvalde as the details emerged.

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I'm sure this will all become clearer as facts get sorted in the weeks to come….but this doesn't sound great

The Texas officials have glossed over this, but by their account, the gunman was first spotted outside the school by an armed school resource officer who did not fire at him, but instead confronted him and “followed him in” to the school. That needs to be explained.

— Ken Dilanian (@KenDilanianNBC) May 25, 2022

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We know the shooter crashed his car, he was apparently involved in some kind of chase, gunfire was heard as he approached the school, and now they're saying a guard confronted him but didn't stop him? The fact he made into the school at all looks pretty bad at this point. I see some hard questions coming for the authorities involved.

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Barack Obama - man this mass shooting at an elementary school sure took the spotlight of talking about George Floyd again.

As we grieve the children of Uvalde today, we should take time to recognize that two years have passed since the murder of George Floyd under the knee of a police officer. His killing stays with us all to this day, especially those who loved him.

— Barack Obama (@BarackObama) May 25, 2022

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Race baiters gonna bait.

I think Obama forgets that he's half white. Raised by white people.

A thread on how the media is telling you two major lies about mass shootings and gun control

1: Other countries with vastly stricter gun laws than the US have higher rates of mass shootings.

2: US jurisdictions w/ gun laws have exponentially higher rates of gun violence#2A

— Andrew Follett (@AndrewCFollett) May 25, 2022

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I'm sure this will all become clearer as facts get sorted in the weeks to come….but this doesn't sound great

The Texas officials have glossed over this, but by their account, the gunman was first spotted outside the school by an armed school resource officer who did not fire at him, but instead confronted him and “followed him in” to the school. That needs to be explained.

— Ken Dilanian (@KenDilanianNBC) May 25, 2022

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I can explain it. If the officer shot the kid he would be vilified as a trigger happy cop who shot/killed a poor sweet innocent boy who wasn't going to hurt anyone.

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The kid had already shot his defenseless grandma and then sent a message he was going to shoot up the school. That officer would have been celebrated as a hero.

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I'm sure this will all become clearer as facts get sorted in the weeks to come….but this doesn't sound great

The Texas officials have glossed over this, but by their account, the gunman was first spotted outside the school by an armed school resource officer who did not fire at him, but instead confronted him and “followed him in” to the school. That needs to be explained.

— Ken Dilanian (@KenDilanianNBC) May 25, 2022

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I can explain it. If the officer shot the kid he would be vilified as a trigger happy cop who shot/killed a poor sweet innocent boy who wasn't going to hurt anyone.

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The kid had already shot his defenseless grandma and then sent a message he was going to shoot up the school. That officer would have been celebrated as a hero.

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That school officer had no way of knowing any of that had already taken place.

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I'm sure this will all become clearer as facts get sorted in the weeks to come….but this doesn't sound great

The Texas officials have glossed over this, but by their account, the gunman was first spotted outside the school by an armed school resource officer who did not fire at him, but instead confronted him and “followed him in” to the school. That needs to be explained.

— Ken Dilanian (@KenDilanianNBC) May 25, 2022

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I can explain it. If the officer shot the kid he would be vilified as a trigger happy cop who shot/killed a poor sweet innocent boy who wasn't going to hurt anyone.

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The kid had already shot his defenseless grandma and then sent a message he was going to shoot up the school. That officer would have been celebrated as a hero.

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That school officer had no way of knowing any of that had already taken place.

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Did he see the kid walking into the building with an AR?

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I'm sure this will all become clearer as facts get sorted in the weeks to come….but this doesn't sound great

The Texas officials have glossed over this, but by their account, the gunman was first spotted outside the school by an armed school resource officer who did not fire at him, but instead confronted him and “followed him in” to the school. That needs to be explained.

— Ken Dilanian (@KenDilanianNBC) May 25, 2022

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I can explain it. If the officer shot the kid he would be vilified as a trigger happy cop who shot/killed a poor sweet innocent boy who wasn't going to hurt anyone.

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The kid had already shot his defenseless grandma and then sent a message he was going to shoot up the school. That officer would have been celebrated as a hero.

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That school officer had no way of knowing any of that had already taken place.

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Did he see the kid walking into the building with an AR?

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Good question…I don't know.

The first 911 call was received at 11:30am, saying a man had emerged from a crashed vehicle with a long rifle and a backpack. Salvador Ramos, 18, was shot dead at around 1pm.

*BREAKING* Robb Elementary School shooting. Uvalde Texas. This video shows the chaos outside of the school where parents were trying to find their children.#Uvalde #RobbElementary #SchoolShooting pic.twitter.com/yx97i6Bh9w

— TheFamily'sSoup TV (@FamilysSoupTV) May 25, 2022

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Barack Obama - man this mass shooting at an elementary school sure took the spotlight of talking about George Floyd again.

As we grieve the children of Uvalde today, we should take time to recognize that two years have passed since the murder of George Floyd under the knee of a police officer. His killing stays with us all to this day, especially those who loved him.

— Barack Obama (@BarackObama) May 25, 2022

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Race baiters gonna bait.

I think Obama forgets that he's half white. Raised by white people.

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Not forgotten….repressed .

Such truths are not politically expedient.

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Some guns should not be available. As long as we are a culture that glorifies guns we will have them. I dont think most people need them and the thought of a bunch of guys walking around armed all the time scares me.

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Honest question …are you willing to give up all your firearms ?

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I have an old 22 revolver, my grandfathers service pistol., a bolt action 22. A double barrel 12 gauge. a 16 gauge shotgun an old bolt action rifle from some war and a little target practice 22 rifle. All of them have been passed down from relatives. I dont have the ones guys carrry or the ak 47 etc. Havent shot most in years. I dont think these types of guns are tge pronblem. I dont sneak around with them or sleep with them or clean them every other day. I think i would pass them down to my 2 sons and son in law and 4 male grandkids and let them make that decision. Bad answer but probably true. I am not at the ranch often enough to need them anymore.

PS I asked my brother abut the rifle. Its a 7.65 Argentine Mauser my Dad bought for $20 used at the old Cogdel store. I killed my first nd only deer with it. I was never patient enough to hunt

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Thank you for all the details …but my basic question remains unanswered .

Are you willing to immediately surrender all your firearms to governmental authorities ?

I thought i had already said yes. I am a law abiding citizen. I would try to pass them out to the younger males in my family but if I couldnt then yes i would certainly surrender them.

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1. Armed police officers works for districts that can afford an officer per school. It doesn't work for smaller schools.
And as pointed out it doesn't always help if the officer does nothing like the Florida shooting.

2. Then there is the issue that they can't be everywhere at once and a shooter can still get in to the school.

3. Someone mentioned the locked doors. This is huge. There should be one entrance used to the school. Which is a problem at older schools that have multiple buildings like detached gyms, locker rooms, band halls, etc.

4. All schools need the locked outer door and an interior vestibule door that is locked.

5. Then go a step further and the glass on both doors and windows next to them need to be bullet resistant. I know of plenty of schools that have the two door system but both are just regular safety glass. Hard to break with a rock, chair, etc. but a gun would be able to shoot it out.

6. Panic button at the front desk.

7. Front desk person armed/ safe with locked gun. Or at minimum something like a can of bear spray.

8. Armed staff

9. Lots of drills. Currently in Texas schools have to do two lock down/active shooter drills a year. It should be more. With practice on what to do.

10. All classrooms should have devices used to jam the doors shut. There are a lot of options for any type of door.

All of these don't need to be done but at least two or 3 would help a lot.

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Yeah, I really want my grandkids to spent their school hours doing lots of active shooter drills and investing time and energy in all of the rest of this stuff instead of actually learning how to read, right and do arithemetic so Cowboy can open carry.

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What the Hell does open carry have to do with school shootings? You are so consumed by your dream of banning guns, that you make the most irrelevant posts over and over. Can you please try and think like an adult?

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I don't want to ban guns.

I just want to restrict who can buy them so troubled 18-year-old kids can't buy assault weapons the week after they turn 18 and kill 19 kids and 2 teachers in an elementary school. Does that sound like a reasonble goal to you?

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. What is a troubled kid? What troubling thing in his life would have prevented him from getting a gun? Knowing that he was bullied? Knowing he failed 12th grade? Knowing he wore eyeliner? Serious questions.

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Seems like most….if not all…including this one….had posted pics online of themselves with their stockpile of weapons. That seems to be a common red flag.

I'm not sure exactly what schools or police have an authority to do or investigate when online pics like that surface….but that seems to be a definite commonality with these shooters.

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In Texas schools can do several things if a student posts things that are threatening. However, the posting of guns can be tricky. Is it a picture of them holding a gun and the buck they shot? Or just a picture of their guns they own? Are they old enough to own/purchase.

Then there is the issue of things like this situation.

The shooter posted he was going to shoot the school apparently right before it happened... to late for anyone to see it and do anything about.

Or if he had done it the day before there is the issue of the police/high school notifying the elementary school.

"A law enforcement official familiar with the investigation said the Border Patrol agents had trouble breaching the classroom door and had to get a staff member to open the room with a key"https://t.co/e1CaJajLsF

— Steve Lookner (@lookner) May 26, 2022

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A thread on how the media is telling you two major lies about mass shootings and gun control

1: Other countries with vastly stricter gun laws than the US have higher rates of mass shootings.

2: US jurisdictions w/ gun laws have exponentially higher rates of gun violence#2A

— Andrew Follett (@AndrewCFollett) May 25, 2022

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When he tries to make out that Norway has a bigger Mass shooting problem then the US when Norways "Mass Shooting" problem is literally just one event (The Utoya Island shootings, literally the only mass shooting Norway has had since the 2nd World War) you can probably assume that guy is talking out of his arse