He Hate Me said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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What do you think happened with the Nordstream pipelines?

A: Russia sabotaged them
B: The USA sabotaged them
C. Some other nation or group sabotaged them
D. Miraculously it wasn't sabotage

Russia could just quit delivering gas any time they wanted without needing to blow anything up. Likewise, the EU can just quit buying gas if they decided it's better to freeze. So what happened here?

The chances of the EU agreeing a peace agreement very unlikely now that there is no gas.

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A. Russia

Like burning one's own boats, it's a message of resolve from Putin to his people and particularly his military. It's also an implicit threat to Europe and other pipelines in the vicinity.

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So Russia destroyed their own $20 billion dollar pipeline which would make trillions over time, expand their global sphere of influence...as a way to attack the "free world"? How dare they blow up the pipeline that USA/NATO/EU has refused to open or use and has threatened to "shut down" as a threat to Russia.

It's more likely the US or another country shut this off to cut Russia's future money supply.

Gazprom already halted supply of Nordstrom 1 at the beginning of the month. Nordstream 2 was never activated in the first place or in use when it was blown up. This forces an energy problem for Europe because now it's not an option.

Is every narrative "Russia does bad things. Bad thing happened, therefore Russia did it"?

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What makes you think most of Europe plans on working with Russia in the future for its energy needs? Why do you think Russia's land objectives make it extremely difficult to get pipelines from other places East? There's no magic agreement that results in everything back to normal at the snap of a finger. Putin made the call to invade. The consequences are evolving.

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Energy needs.

Russia blew up their own pipeline but NOT the Norway-EU pipeline that's right next to it and just opened today?

Blame Putin, escalate the war, advance green agenda, make EU dependent.

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Not sure how cutting gas and thereby highlighting the failure of "green energy" will advance the green agenda. But then again, I am surprised that people have bought into the green agenda as hard as they have.

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Cutting gas means they EU will have to pump billions into green energy because EU is anti hydrocarbon, or they'll have to buy much more gas from the US. Probably both.

Fear is the most powerful motivator.

I think this is what's going on:

USA is now doing to Germany what Germany did to Greece, and really the entire EU, for the past 15 years - showing them, and not in subtle fashion, who really runs the show.

— FischerKing (@FischerKing64) September 28, 2022

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You are probably right that the EU will not reconsider its position on nukes, coal, or green energy. It is really silly to be that hard headed, but here we (and they) are.

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You guys really think that Biden has the balls to pull this? He and Obama sent blankets when left to their own. You really think OBiden would take this tact??? I say no way. The guy was scared to leave the basement.

Russia did this and will blame West. This is the first move on the Baltics. You will start to hear that Russia tried,but can't have the Baltics and Ukraine in the West.

RMF5630 said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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What do you think happened with the Nordstream pipelines?

A: Russia sabotaged them
B: The USA sabotaged them
C. Some other nation or group sabotaged them
D. Miraculously it wasn't sabotage

Russia could just quit delivering gas any time they wanted without needing to blow anything up. Likewise, the EU can just quit buying gas if they decided it's better to freeze. So what happened here?

The chances of the EU agreeing a peace agreement very unlikely now that there is no gas.

---

A. Russia

Like burning one's own boats, it's a message of resolve from Putin to his people and particularly his military. It's also an implicit threat to Europe and other pipelines in the vicinity.

---

So Russia destroyed their own $20 billion dollar pipeline which would make trillions over time, expand their global sphere of influence...as a way to attack the "free world"? How dare they blow up the pipeline that USA/NATO/EU has refused to open or use and has threatened to "shut down" as a threat to Russia.

It's more likely the US or another country shut this off to cut Russia's future money supply.

Gazprom already halted supply of Nordstrom 1 at the beginning of the month. Nordstream 2 was never activated in the first place or in use when it was blown up. This forces an energy problem for Europe because now it's not an option.

Is every narrative "Russia does bad things. Bad thing happened, therefore Russia did it"?

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What makes you think most of Europe plans on working with Russia in the future for its energy needs? Why do you think Russia's land objectives make it extremely difficult to get pipelines from other places East? There's no magic agreement that results in everything back to normal at the snap of a finger. Putin made the call to invade. The consequences are evolving.

---

Energy needs.

Russia blew up their own pipeline but NOT the Norway-EU pipeline that's right next to it and just opened today?

Blame Putin, escalate the war, advance green agenda, make EU dependent.

---

Not sure how cutting gas and thereby highlighting the failure of "green energy" will advance the green agenda. But then again, I am surprised that people have bought into the green agenda as hard as they have.

---

Cutting gas means they EU will have to pump billions into green energy because EU is anti hydrocarbon, or they'll have to buy much more gas from the US. Probably both.

Fear is the most powerful motivator.

I think this is what's going on:

USA is now doing to Germany what Germany did to Greece, and really the entire EU, for the past 15 years - showing them, and not in subtle fashion, who really runs the show.

— FischerKing (@FischerKing64) September 28, 2022

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You are probably right that the EU will not reconsider its position on nukes, coal, or green energy. It is really silly to be that hard headed, but here we (and they) are.

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You guys really think that Biden has the balls to pull this?

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I don't know anything about who, if anyone, did anything to the pipeline. It makes no sense to me why either side would do it.

Doc Holliday said:

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RMF5630 said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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What do you think happened with the Nordstream pipelines?

A: Russia sabotaged them
B: The USA sabotaged them
C. Some other nation or group sabotaged them
D. Miraculously it wasn't sabotage

Russia could just quit delivering gas any time they wanted without needing to blow anything up. Likewise, the EU can just quit buying gas if they decided it's better to freeze. So what happened here?

The chances of the EU agreeing a peace agreement very unlikely now that there is no gas.

---

A. Russia

Like burning one's own boats, it's a message of resolve from Putin to his people and particularly his military. It's also an implicit threat to Europe and other pipelines in the vicinity.

---

So Russia destroyed their own $20 billion dollar pipeline which would make trillions over time, expand their global sphere of influence...as a way to attack the "free world"? How dare they blow up the pipeline that USA/NATO/EU has refused to open or use and has threatened to "shut down" as a threat to Russia.

It's more likely the US or another country shut this off to cut Russia's future money supply.

Gazprom already halted supply of Nordstrom 1 at the beginning of the month. Nordstream 2 was never activated in the first place or in use when it was blown up. This forces an energy problem for Europe because now it's not an option.

Is every narrative "Russia does bad things. Bad thing happened, therefore Russia did it"?

---

What makes you think most of Europe plans on working with Russia in the future for its energy needs? Why do you think Russia's land objectives make it extremely difficult to get pipelines from other places East? There's no magic agreement that results in everything back to normal at the snap of a finger. Putin made the call to invade. The consequences are evolving.

---

Energy needs.

Russia blew up their own pipeline but NOT the Norway-EU pipeline that's right next to it and just opened today?

Blame Putin, escalate the war, advance green agenda, make EU dependent.

---

Not sure how cutting gas and thereby highlighting the failure of "green energy" will advance the green agenda. But then again, I am surprised that people have bought into the green agenda as hard as they have.

---

Cutting gas means they EU will have to pump billions into green energy because EU is anti hydrocarbon, or they'll have to buy much more gas from the US. Probably both.

Fear is the most powerful motivator.

I think this is what's going on:

USA is now doing to Germany what Germany did to Greece, and really the entire EU, for the past 15 years - showing them, and not in subtle fashion, who really runs the show.

— FischerKing (@FischerKing64) September 28, 2022

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You are probably right that the EU will not reconsider its position on nukes, coal, or green energy. It is really silly to be that hard headed, but here we (and they) are.

---

You guys really think that Biden has the balls to pull this? He and Obama sent blankets when left to their own. You really think OBiden would take this tact??? I say no way. The guy was scared to leave the basement.

Russia did this and will blame West. This is the first move on the Baltics. You will start to hear that Russia tried,but can't have the Baltics and Ukraine in the West.

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Do you know what the CIA has done around the world for the past 70 years?!

I want to believe the US is wholesome, good and by the book...but that's not even close to reality.

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The CIA cannot act independently. On something like this, there has to be an Executive Approval.

Remember Iran=Contra? Jail time accompanies not having a get out of jail free card...

RMF5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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RMF5630 said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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What do you think happened with the Nordstream pipelines?

A: Russia sabotaged them
B: The USA sabotaged them
C. Some other nation or group sabotaged them
D. Miraculously it wasn't sabotage

Russia could just quit delivering gas any time they wanted without needing to blow anything up. Likewise, the EU can just quit buying gas if they decided it's better to freeze. So what happened here?

The chances of the EU agreeing a peace agreement very unlikely now that there is no gas.

---

A. Russia

Like burning one's own boats, it's a message of resolve from Putin to his people and particularly his military. It's also an implicit threat to Europe and other pipelines in the vicinity.

---

So Russia destroyed their own $20 billion dollar pipeline which would make trillions over time, expand their global sphere of influence...as a way to attack the "free world"? How dare they blow up the pipeline that USA/NATO/EU has refused to open or use and has threatened to "shut down" as a threat to Russia.

It's more likely the US or another country shut this off to cut Russia's future money supply.

Gazprom already halted supply of Nordstrom 1 at the beginning of the month. Nordstream 2 was never activated in the first place or in use when it was blown up. This forces an energy problem for Europe because now it's not an option.

Is every narrative "Russia does bad things. Bad thing happened, therefore Russia did it"?

---

What makes you think most of Europe plans on working with Russia in the future for its energy needs? Why do you think Russia's land objectives make it extremely difficult to get pipelines from other places East? There's no magic agreement that results in everything back to normal at the snap of a finger. Putin made the call to invade. The consequences are evolving.

---

Energy needs.

Russia blew up their own pipeline but NOT the Norway-EU pipeline that's right next to it and just opened today?

Blame Putin, escalate the war, advance green agenda, make EU dependent.

---

Not sure how cutting gas and thereby highlighting the failure of "green energy" will advance the green agenda. But then again, I am surprised that people have bought into the green agenda as hard as they have.

---

Cutting gas means they EU will have to pump billions into green energy because EU is anti hydrocarbon, or they'll have to buy much more gas from the US. Probably both.

Fear is the most powerful motivator.

I think this is what's going on:

USA is now doing to Germany what Germany did to Greece, and really the entire EU, for the past 15 years - showing them, and not in subtle fashion, who really runs the show.

— FischerKing (@FischerKing64) September 28, 2022

---

You are probably right that the EU will not reconsider its position on nukes, coal, or green energy. It is really silly to be that hard headed, but here we (and they) are.

---

You guys really think that Biden has the balls to pull this? He and Obama sent blankets when left to their own. You really think OBiden would take this tact??? I say no way. The guy was scared to leave the basement.

Russia did this and will blame West. This is the first move on the Baltics. You will start to hear that Russia tried,but can't have the Baltics and Ukraine in the West.

---

Do you know what the CIA has done around the world for the past 70 years?!

I want to believe the US is wholesome, good and by the book...but that's not even close to reality.

---

The CIA cannot act independently. On something like this, there has to be an Executive Approval.

Remember Iran=Contra? Jail time accompanies not having a get out of jail free card...

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_CIA_controversies

Doc Holliday said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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What do you think happened with the Nordstream pipelines?

A: Russia sabotaged them
B: The USA sabotaged them
C. Some other nation or group sabotaged them
D. Miraculously it wasn't sabotage

Russia could just quit delivering gas any time they wanted without needing to blow anything up. Likewise, the EU can just quit buying gas if they decided it's better to freeze. So what happened here?

The chances of the EU agreeing a peace agreement very unlikely now that there is no gas.

---

A. Russia

Like burning one's own boats, it's a message of resolve from Putin to his people and particularly his military. It's also an implicit threat to Europe and other pipelines in the vicinity.

---

So Russia destroyed their own $20 billion dollar pipeline which would make trillions over time, expand their global sphere of influence...as a way to attack the "free world"? How dare they blow up the pipeline that USA/NATO/EU has refused to open or use and has threatened to "shut down" as a threat to Russia.

It's more likely the US or another country shut this off to cut Russia's future money supply.

Gazprom already halted supply of Nordstrom 1 at the beginning of the month. Nordstream 2 was never activated in the first place or in use when it was blown up. This forces an energy problem for Europe because now it's not an option.

Is every narrative "Russia does bad things. Bad thing happened, therefore Russia did it"?

---

What makes you think most of Europe plans on working with Russia in the future for its energy needs? Why do you think Russia's land objectives make it extremely difficult to get pipelines from other places East? There's no magic agreement that results in everything back to normal at the snap of a finger. Putin made the call to invade. The consequences are evolving.

---

Energy needs.

Russia blew up their own pipeline but NOT the Norway-EU pipeline that's right next to it and just opened today?

Blame Putin, escalate the war, advance green agenda, make EU dependent.

---

Not sure how cutting gas and thereby highlighting the failure of "green energy" will advance the green agenda. But then again, I am surprised that people have bought into the green agenda as hard as they have.

---

Cutting gas means they EU will have to pump billions into green energy because EU is anti hydrocarbon, or they'll have to buy much more gas from the US. Probably both.

Fear is the most powerful motivator.

I think this is what's going on:

USA is now doing to Germany what Germany did to Greece, and really the entire EU, for the past 15 years - showing them, and not in subtle fashion, who really runs the show.

— FischerKing (@FischerKing64) September 28, 2022

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Ruining our relationship with Germany in order to send some vague message about who's "in charge?" That makes no sense, even if Biden had the guts for it.

Doc Holliday said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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RMF5630 said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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What do you think happened with the Nordstream pipelines?

A: Russia sabotaged them
B: The USA sabotaged them
C. Some other nation or group sabotaged them
D. Miraculously it wasn't sabotage

Russia could just quit delivering gas any time they wanted without needing to blow anything up. Likewise, the EU can just quit buying gas if they decided it's better to freeze. So what happened here?

The chances of the EU agreeing a peace agreement very unlikely now that there is no gas.

---

A. Russia

Like burning one's own boats, it's a message of resolve from Putin to his people and particularly his military. It's also an implicit threat to Europe and other pipelines in the vicinity.

---

So Russia destroyed their own $20 billion dollar pipeline which would make trillions over time, expand their global sphere of influence...as a way to attack the "free world"? How dare they blow up the pipeline that USA/NATO/EU has refused to open or use and has threatened to "shut down" as a threat to Russia.

It's more likely the US or another country shut this off to cut Russia's future money supply.

Gazprom already halted supply of Nordstrom 1 at the beginning of the month. Nordstream 2 was never activated in the first place or in use when it was blown up. This forces an energy problem for Europe because now it's not an option.

Is every narrative "Russia does bad things. Bad thing happened, therefore Russia did it"?

---

What makes you think most of Europe plans on working with Russia in the future for its energy needs? Why do you think Russia's land objectives make it extremely difficult to get pipelines from other places East? There's no magic agreement that results in everything back to normal at the snap of a finger. Putin made the call to invade. The consequences are evolving.

---

Energy needs.

Russia blew up their own pipeline but NOT the Norway-EU pipeline that's right next to it and just opened today?

Blame Putin, escalate the war, advance green agenda, make EU dependent.

---

Not sure how cutting gas and thereby highlighting the failure of "green energy" will advance the green agenda. But then again, I am surprised that people have bought into the green agenda as hard as they have.

---

Cutting gas means they EU will have to pump billions into green energy because EU is anti hydrocarbon, or they'll have to buy much more gas from the US. Probably both.

Fear is the most powerful motivator.

I think this is what's going on:

USA is now doing to Germany what Germany did to Greece, and really the entire EU, for the past 15 years - showing them, and not in subtle fashion, who really runs the show.

— FischerKing (@FischerKing64) September 28, 2022

---

You are probably right that the EU will not reconsider its position on nukes, coal, or green energy. It is really silly to be that hard headed, but here we (and they) are.

---

You guys really think that Biden has the balls to pull this? He and Obama sent blankets when left to their own. You really think OBiden would take this tact??? I say no way. The guy was scared to leave the basement.

Russia did this and will blame West. This is the first move on the Baltics. You will start to hear that Russia tried,but can't have the Baltics and Ukraine in the West.

---

Do you know what the CIA has done around the world for the past 70 years?!

I want to believe the US is wholesome, good and by the book...but that's not even close to reality.

---

The CIA cannot act independently. On something like this, there has to be an Executive Approval.

Remember Iran=Contra? Jail time accompanies not having a get out of jail free card...

---

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_CIA_controversies

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Controversies, implying that they cannot act independently. That is like saying the My Lai is the same as Battle of Easting in the Gulf War.

I think you read too many conspiracy books. Someone in the Executive Branch approved an operation, especially something like this. You really think that there are CIA Ops, leadership and attorneys saying, sure go ahead blow the pipeline, Executive Branch don't need to know.

RMF5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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RMF5630 said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Doc Holliday said:

---

He Hate Me said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

---

Doc Holliday said:

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What do you think happened with the Nordstream pipelines?

A: Russia sabotaged them
B: The USA sabotaged them
C. Some other nation or group sabotaged them
D. Miraculously it wasn't sabotage

Russia could just quit delivering gas any time they wanted without needing to blow anything up. Likewise, the EU can just quit buying gas if they decided it's better to freeze. So what happened here?

The chances of the EU agreeing a peace agreement very unlikely now that there is no gas.

---

A. Russia

Like burning one's own boats, it's a message of resolve from Putin to his people and particularly his military. It's also an implicit threat to Europe and other pipelines in the vicinity.

---

So Russia destroyed their own $20 billion dollar pipeline which would make trillions over time, expand their global sphere of influence...as a way to attack the "free world"? How dare they blow up the pipeline that USA/NATO/EU has refused to open or use and has threatened to "shut down" as a threat to Russia.

It's more likely the US or another country shut this off to cut Russia's future money supply.

Gazprom already halted supply of Nordstrom 1 at the beginning of the month. Nordstream 2 was never activated in the first place or in use when it was blown up. This forces an energy problem for Europe because now it's not an option.

Is every narrative "Russia does bad things. Bad thing happened, therefore Russia did it"?

---

What makes you think most of Europe plans on working with Russia in the future for its energy needs? Why do you think Russia's land objectives make it extremely difficult to get pipelines from other places East? There's no magic agreement that results in everything back to normal at the snap of a finger. Putin made the call to invade. The consequences are evolving.

---

Energy needs.

Russia blew up their own pipeline but NOT the Norway-EU pipeline that's right next to it and just opened today?

Blame Putin, escalate the war, advance green agenda, make EU dependent.

---

Not sure how cutting gas and thereby highlighting the failure of "green energy" will advance the green agenda. But then again, I am surprised that people have bought into the green agenda as hard as they have.

---

Cutting gas means they EU will have to pump billions into green energy because EU is anti hydrocarbon, or they'll have to buy much more gas from the US. Probably both.

Fear is the most powerful motivator.

I think this is what's going on:

USA is now doing to Germany what Germany did to Greece, and really the entire EU, for the past 15 years - showing them, and not in subtle fashion, who really runs the show.

— FischerKing (@FischerKing64) September 28, 2022

---

You are probably right that the EU will not reconsider its position on nukes, coal, or green energy. It is really silly to be that hard headed, but here we (and they) are.

---

You guys really think that Biden has the balls to pull this? He and Obama sent blankets when left to their own. You really think OBiden would take this tact??? I say no way. The guy was scared to leave the basement.

Russia did this and will blame West. This is the first move on the Baltics. You will start to hear that Russia tried,but can't have the Baltics and Ukraine in the West.

---

Do you know what the CIA has done around the world for the past 70 years?!

I want to believe the US is wholesome, good and by the book...but that's not even close to reality.

---

The CIA cannot act independently. On something like this, there has to be an Executive Approval.

Remember Iran=Contra? Jail time accompanies not having a get out of jail free card...

---

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_CIA_controversies

---

Controversies, implying that they cannot act independently. That is like saying the My Lai is the same as Battle of Easting in the Gulf War.

I think you read too many conspiracy books. Someone in the Executive Branch approved an operation, especially something like this. You really think that there are CIA Ops, leadership and attorneys saying, sure go ahead blow the pipeline, Executive Branch don't need to know.

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Why do you think the executive branch wouldn't do this?

Again, Biden literally said we could stop it:

Pres. Biden: "If Russia invades...then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it."

Reporter: "But how will you do that, exactly, since...the project is in Germany's control?"

Biden: "I promise you, we will be able to do that." https://t.co/uruQ4F4zM9 pic.twitter.com/4ksDaaU0YC

— ABC News (@ABC) February 7, 2022

Did the US tell the truth about USS Maine, the RMS Lusitania, the USS Greer, the Gulf of Tonkin, Iraqi babies in incubators, WMDs, etc?

Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

---

Doc Holliday said:

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What do you think happened with the Nordstream pipelines?

A: Russia sabotaged them
B: The USA sabotaged them
C. Some other nation or group sabotaged them
D. Miraculously it wasn't sabotage

Russia could just quit delivering gas any time they wanted without needing to blow anything up. Likewise, the EU can just quit buying gas if they decided it's better to freeze. So what happened here?

The chances of the EU agreeing a peace agreement very unlikely now that there is no gas.

---

A. Russia

Like burning one's own boats, it's a message of resolve from Putin to his people and particularly his military. It's also an implicit threat to Europe and other pipelines in the vicinity.

---

So Russia destroyed their own $20 billion dollar pipeline which would make trillions over time, expand their global sphere of influence...as a way to attack the "free world"? How dare they blow up the pipeline that USA/NATO/EU has refused to open or use and has threatened to "shut down" as a threat to Russia.

It's more likely the US or another country shut this off to cut Russia's future money supply.

Gazprom already halted supply of Nordstrom 1 at the beginning of the month. Nordstream 2 was never activated in the first place or in use when it was blown up. This forces an energy problem for Europe because now it's not an option.

Is every narrative "Russia does bad things. Bad thing happened, therefore Russia did it"?

---

What makes you think most of Europe plans on working with Russia in the future for its energy needs? Why do you think Russia's land objectives make it extremely difficult to get pipelines from other places East? There's no magic agreement that results in everything back to normal at the snap of a finger. Putin made the call to invade. The consequences are evolving.

---

Energy needs.

Russia blew up their own pipeline but NOT the Norway-EU pipeline that's right next to it and just opened today?

Blame Putin, escalate the war, advance green agenda, make EU dependent.

---

Not sure how cutting gas and thereby highlighting the failure of "green energy" will advance the green agenda. But then again, I am surprised that people have bought into the green agenda as hard as they have.

---

Cutting gas means they EU will have to pump billions into green energy because EU is anti hydrocarbon, or they'll have to buy much more gas from the US. Probably both.

Fear is the most powerful motivator.

I think this is what's going on:

USA is now doing to Germany what Germany did to Greece, and really the entire EU, for the past 15 years - showing them, and not in subtle fashion, who really runs the show.

— FischerKing (@FischerKing64) September 28, 2022

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Ruining our relationship with Germany in order to send some vague message about who's "in charge?" That makes no sense, even if Biden had the guts for it.

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It makes financial sense.

Doc Holliday said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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RMF5630 said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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What do you think happened with the Nordstream pipelines?

A: Russia sabotaged them
B: The USA sabotaged them
C. Some other nation or group sabotaged them
D. Miraculously it wasn't sabotage

Russia could just quit delivering gas any time they wanted without needing to blow anything up. Likewise, the EU can just quit buying gas if they decided it's better to freeze. So what happened here?

The chances of the EU agreeing a peace agreement very unlikely now that there is no gas.

---

A. Russia

Like burning one's own boats, it's a message of resolve from Putin to his people and particularly his military. It's also an implicit threat to Europe and other pipelines in the vicinity.

---

So Russia destroyed their own $20 billion dollar pipeline which would make trillions over time, expand their global sphere of influence...as a way to attack the "free world"? How dare they blow up the pipeline that USA/NATO/EU has refused to open or use and has threatened to "shut down" as a threat to Russia.

It's more likely the US or another country shut this off to cut Russia's future money supply.

Gazprom already halted supply of Nordstrom 1 at the beginning of the month. Nordstream 2 was never activated in the first place or in use when it was blown up. This forces an energy problem for Europe because now it's not an option.

Is every narrative "Russia does bad things. Bad thing happened, therefore Russia did it"?

---

What makes you think most of Europe plans on working with Russia in the future for its energy needs? Why do you think Russia's land objectives make it extremely difficult to get pipelines from other places East? There's no magic agreement that results in everything back to normal at the snap of a finger. Putin made the call to invade. The consequences are evolving.

---

Energy needs.

Russia blew up their own pipeline but NOT the Norway-EU pipeline that's right next to it and just opened today?

Blame Putin, escalate the war, advance green agenda, make EU dependent.

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Not sure how cutting gas and thereby highlighting the failure of "green energy" will advance the green agenda. But then again, I am surprised that people have bought into the green agenda as hard as they have.

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Cutting gas means they EU will have to pump billions into green energy because EU is anti hydrocarbon, or they'll have to buy much more gas from the US. Probably both.

Fear is the most powerful motivator.

I think this is what's going on:

USA is now doing to Germany what Germany did to Greece, and really the entire EU, for the past 15 years - showing them, and not in subtle fashion, who really runs the show.

— FischerKing (@FischerKing64) September 28, 2022

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You are probably right that the EU will not reconsider its position on nukes, coal, or green energy. It is really silly to be that hard headed, but here we (and they) are.

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You guys really think that Biden has the balls to pull this? He and Obama sent blankets when left to their own. You really think OBiden would take this tact??? I say no way. The guy was scared to leave the basement.

Russia did this and will blame West. This is the first move on the Baltics. You will start to hear that Russia tried,but can't have the Baltics and Ukraine in the West.

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Do you know what the CIA has done around the world for the past 70 years?!

I want to believe the US is wholesome, good and by the book...but that's not even close to reality.

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The CIA cannot act independently. On something like this, there has to be an Executive Approval.

Remember Iran=Contra? Jail time accompanies not having a get out of jail free card...

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_CIA_controversies

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Controversies, implying that they cannot act independently. That is like saying the My Lai is the same as Battle of Easting in the Gulf War.

I think you read too many conspiracy books. Someone in the Executive Branch approved an operation, especially something like this. You really think that there are CIA Ops, leadership and attorneys saying, sure go ahead blow the pipeline, Executive Branch don't need to know.

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Why do you think the executive branch wouldn't do this?

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I don't think the Biden Administration has the balls. I am not sayng that Biden is in the loop, someone in the Administration would have to have given the "go". I don't think Biden knows what day it is. Also, for Crimea, they only sent blankets. Benghazi, was a nightmare because of indecision. I just can't see the Biden Administration being decisive, imaginative, and proactive enough to take this approach. DeSantis, in a heartbeat.

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ATL Bear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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What do you think happened with the Nordstream pipelines?

A: Russia sabotaged them
B: The USA sabotaged them
C. Some other nation or group sabotaged them
D. Miraculously it wasn't sabotage

Russia could just quit delivering gas any time they wanted without needing to blow anything up. Likewise, the EU can just quit buying gas if they decided it's better to freeze. So what happened here?

The chances of the EU agreeing a peace agreement very unlikely now that there is no gas.

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A. Russia

Like burning one's own boats, it's a message of resolve from Putin to his people and particularly his military. It's also an implicit threat to Europe and other pipelines in the vicinity.

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So Russia destroyed their own $20 billion dollar pipeline which would make trillions over time, expand their global sphere of influence...as a way to attack the "free world"? How dare they blow up the pipeline that USA/NATO/EU has refused to open or use and has threatened to "shut down" as a threat to Russia.

It's more likely the US or another country shut this off to cut Russia's future money supply.

Gazprom already halted supply of Nordstrom 1 at the beginning of the month. Nordstream 2 was never activated in the first place or in use when it was blown up. This forces an energy problem for Europe because now it's not an option.

Is every narrative "Russia does bad things. Bad thing happened, therefore Russia did it"?

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What makes you think most of Europe plans on working with Russia in the future for its energy needs? Why do you think Russia's land objectives make it extremely difficult to get pipelines from other places East? There's no magic agreement that results in everything back to normal at the snap of a finger. Putin made the call to invade. The consequences are evolving.

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Energy needs.

Russia blew up their own pipeline but NOT the Norway-EU pipeline that's right next to it and just opened today?

Blame Putin, escalate the war, advance green agenda, make EU dependent.

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I don't know who or what was the culprit of the pipeline breach. Doesn't change the dynamic at play after Putin decided to invade Ukraine. Again, he decided to invade Ukraine. He decided to alienate his primary customers. We would be stupid not to better position the USA and better energy security for Europe now that Russia is acting like a typical Middle Eastern, North African despotic state. Decisions have consequences.

Israel can help fill the void if they can transport the naty gas.

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I highly doubt Russia blew up their own line.

The Danish military has released volatile footage of a mysterious, frothing disturbance in the Baltic Sea in the vicinity of the Nordstream pipelines pic.twitter.com/vsHtHDUQHT

— Jack Posobiec XLV (@JackPosobiec) September 27, 2022

BIDEN admits US behind sabotage of Nordstream 1 and 2.

Biden: "If Russia invades...then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2."

Reporter: "But how will you do that, it's in germany's control?"

Biden: "I promise you, we will be able to do that." pic.twitter.com/idlxQYuAqU

— Syrian Girl 🇸🇾🎗 (@Partisangirl) September 27, 2022

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Am I to believe that the United States is now sabotaging Germany?

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I mean Biden himself said we'd be able to...

Quote:

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Biden: "If Russia invades...then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2."

Reporter: "But how will you do that, it's in germany's control?"

Biden: "I promise you, we will be able to do that."

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Biden shot off his mouth. Not everything the man says is true. He just loves to pop off.

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Oh yeah Russia is the sole boogeyman and western countries are never corrupt...

Everyone's hands are dirty. We gotta stop buying into the this black and white bs. Be skeptical of everyone.

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I don't blame Russia. I do not think there is enough information to blame anyone at this point.

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To a point. Russia invaded Crimea and ultimately Ukraine. No excuse when you invade a sovereign nation. Especially to annex into your Nation. This isn't looking to set Ukraine up as an independent nation.

Say what you will, but at least the goal of the US actions is to leave democratic functional Nations.

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Yeah like Vietnam , Cambodia , Iraq, South Korea , Kuwait , Saudi Arabia, Laos ……..

all functional democratic nations .

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South Korea, Kuwait, we fought to preserve a more democratic government. They are better than the alterrnative.

Never said they were all successful.

We don't fight to Annex and haven't for 100 years.

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Kuwait is an emirate with an autocratic political system.

Is that better than Saddams Baathist dictatorship? Sure but let's try and be accurate.

And we absorb states into our economic and political sphere of influence. We don't out right annex them because it is no long seen as acceptable and is bad PR. It's also just plain easier to rule through local elites than officially take over a foreign state.

We see how hard and expensive hostile invasions and long term occupations are (i.e. Afghanistan & Iraq)

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Canada, this is where we disagree.

If Iraq does not invade Kuwait, we do nothing.
If Korth Korea does not invade South Korea, we do nothing.
Tonkin does not happen, Viet Nam does not take off.
Russia does not invade Crimea and Ukraine, we are not in this position.

Typically, US reaction is after another Nation takes a violent act. That is not the same as what Russia does and what China is threatening.

I agree with you on Iraq 03 and Afghanistan. Iraq was a vendetta and I disagree about the US going in there. The no fly zone was enough.

Afghanistan should have ended at a manhunt and destruction of Al Queda. 20 years was ridiculous.


I still do not agree that the US involvement is in any way similar to Russia's actions. Even if we want them in our political and economic sphere, if they choose not to, see Philippine's, we don't invade.

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We're destroying Ukraine just as surely as if we had invaded.

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That's the logic that tells a woman to "relax & enjoy it" if she gets raped

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Which is worse -- telling her to relax, or prodding her to struggle for your amusement while you munch on a bowl of popcorn?

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You have some sick fantasies, beto ...

Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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What do you think happened with the Nordstream pipelines?

A: Russia sabotaged them
B: The USA sabotaged them
C. Some other nation or group sabotaged them
D. Miraculously it wasn't sabotage

Russia could just quit delivering gas any time they wanted without needing to blow anything up. Likewise, the EU can just quit buying gas if they decided it's better to freeze. So what happened here?

The chances of the EU agreeing a peace agreement very unlikely now that there is no gas.

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A. Russia

Like burning one's own boats, it's a message of resolve from Putin to his people and particularly his military. It's also an implicit threat to Europe and other pipelines in the vicinity.

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So Russia destroyed their own $20 billion dollar pipeline which would make trillions over time, expand their global sphere of influence...as a way to attack the "free world"? How dare they blow up the pipeline that USA/NATO/EU has refused to open or use and has threatened to "shut down" as a threat to Russia.

It's more likely the US or another country shut this off to cut Russia's future money supply.

Gazprom already halted supply of Nordstrom 1 at the beginning of the month. Nordstream 2 was never activated in the first place or in use when it was blown up. This forces an energy problem for Europe because now it's not an option.

Is every narrative "Russia does bad things. Bad thing happened, therefore Russia did it"?

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They had already shut the pipeline flow down. Now they can't be sued for not fulfilling a contract according to international law either.

trey3216 said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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What do you think happened with the Nordstream pipelines?

A: Russia sabotaged them
B: The USA sabotaged them
C. Some other nation or group sabotaged them
D. Miraculously it wasn't sabotage

Russia could just quit delivering gas any time they wanted without needing to blow anything up. Likewise, the EU can just quit buying gas if they decided it's better to freeze. So what happened here?

The chances of the EU agreeing a peace agreement very unlikely now that there is no gas.

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A. Russia

Like burning one's own boats, it's a message of resolve from Putin to his people and particularly his military. It's also an implicit threat to Europe and other pipelines in the vicinity.

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So Russia destroyed their own $20 billion dollar pipeline which would make trillions over time, expand their global sphere of influence...as a way to attack the "free world"? How dare they blow up the pipeline that USA/NATO/EU has refused to open or use and has threatened to "shut down" as a threat to Russia.

It's more likely the US or another country shut this off to cut Russia's future money supply.

Gazprom already halted supply of Nordstrom 1 at the beginning of the month. Nordstream 2 was never activated in the first place or in use when it was blown up. This forces an energy problem for Europe because now it's not an option.

Is every narrative "Russia does bad things. Bad thing happened, therefore Russia did it"?

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What makes you think most of Europe plans on working with Russia in the future for its energy needs? Why do you think Russia's land objectives make it extremely difficult to get pipelines from other places East? There's no magic agreement that results in everything back to normal at the snap of a finger. Putin made the call to invade. The consequences are evolving.

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Energy needs.

Russia blew up their own pipeline but NOT the Norway-EU pipeline that's right next to it and just opened today?

Blame Putin, escalate the war, advance green agenda, make EU dependent.

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Not sure how cutting gas and thereby highlighting the failure of "green energy" will advance the green agenda. But then again, I am surprised that people have bought into the green agenda as hard as they have.

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Cutting gas means they EU will have to pump billions into green energy because EU is anti hydrocarbon, or they'll have to buy much more gas from the US. Probably both.

Fear is the most powerful motivator.

I think this is what's going on:

USA is now doing to Germany what Germany did to Greece, and really the entire EU, for the past 15 years - showing them, and not in subtle fashion, who really runs the show.

— FischerKing (@FischerKing64) September 28, 2022

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You are probably right that the EU will not reconsider its position on nukes, coal, or green energy. It is really silly to be that hard headed, but here we (and they) are.

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Yet France, who is almost as large a presence in EU politics as Germany, is the world's largest nuclear energy producer and they're adding even more. You can't just throw a blanket excuse on everything.

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They are preparing for a cold winter too.

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Doc Holliday said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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RMF5630 said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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What do you think happened with the Nordstream pipelines?

A: Russia sabotaged them
B: The USA sabotaged them
C. Some other nation or group sabotaged them
D. Miraculously it wasn't sabotage

Russia could just quit delivering gas any time they wanted without needing to blow anything up. Likewise, the EU can just quit buying gas if they decided it's better to freeze. So what happened here?

The chances of the EU agreeing a peace agreement very unlikely now that there is no gas.

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A. Russia

Like burning one's own boats, it's a message of resolve from Putin to his people and particularly his military. It's also an implicit threat to Europe and other pipelines in the vicinity.

---

So Russia destroyed their own $20 billion dollar pipeline which would make trillions over time, expand their global sphere of influence...as a way to attack the "free world"? How dare they blow up the pipeline that USA/NATO/EU has refused to open or use and has threatened to "shut down" as a threat to Russia.

It's more likely the US or another country shut this off to cut Russia's future money supply.

Gazprom already halted supply of Nordstrom 1 at the beginning of the month. Nordstream 2 was never activated in the first place or in use when it was blown up. This forces an energy problem for Europe because now it's not an option.

Is every narrative "Russia does bad things. Bad thing happened, therefore Russia did it"?

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What makes you think most of Europe plans on working with Russia in the future for its energy needs? Why do you think Russia's land objectives make it extremely difficult to get pipelines from other places East? There's no magic agreement that results in everything back to normal at the snap of a finger. Putin made the call to invade. The consequences are evolving.

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Energy needs.

Russia blew up their own pipeline but NOT the Norway-EU pipeline that's right next to it and just opened today?

Blame Putin, escalate the war, advance green agenda, make EU dependent.

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Not sure how cutting gas and thereby highlighting the failure of "green energy" will advance the green agenda. But then again, I am surprised that people have bought into the green agenda as hard as they have.

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Cutting gas means they EU will have to pump billions into green energy because EU is anti hydrocarbon, or they'll have to buy much more gas from the US. Probably both.

Fear is the most powerful motivator.

I think this is what's going on:

USA is now doing to Germany what Germany did to Greece, and really the entire EU, for the past 15 years - showing them, and not in subtle fashion, who really runs the show.

— FischerKing (@FischerKing64) September 28, 2022

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You are probably right that the EU will not reconsider its position on nukes, coal, or green energy. It is really silly to be that hard headed, but here we (and they) are.

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You guys really think that Biden has the balls to pull this? He and Obama sent blankets when left to their own. You really think OBiden would take this tact??? I say no way. The guy was scared to leave the basement.

Russia did this and will blame West. This is the first move on the Baltics. You will start to hear that Russia tried,but can't have the Baltics and Ukraine in the West.

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Do you know what the CIA has done around the world for the past 70 years?!

I want to believe the US is wholesome, good and by the book...but that's not even close to reality.

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The CIA cannot act independently. On something like this, there has to be an Executive Approval.

Remember Iran=Contra? Jail time accompanies not having a get out of jail free card...

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_CIA_controversies

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Controversies, implying that they cannot act independently. That is like saying the My Lai is the same as Battle of Easting in the Gulf War.

I think you read too many conspiracy books. Someone in the Executive Branch approved an operation, especially something like this. You really think that there are CIA Ops, leadership and attorneys saying, sure go ahead blow the pipeline, Executive Branch don't need to know.

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Why do you think the executive branch wouldn't do this?

Again, Biden literally said we could stop it:

Pres. Biden: "If Russia invades...then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it."

Reporter: "But how will you do that, exactly, since...the project is in Germany's control?"

Biden: "I promise you, we will be able to do that." https://t.co/uruQ4F4zM9 pic.twitter.com/4ksDaaU0YC

— ABC News (@ABC) February 7, 2022

Did the US tell the truth about USS Maine, the RMS Lusitania, the USS Greer, the Gulf of Tonkin, Iraqi babies in incubators, WMDs, etc?

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The fact that a Russian media asset like Tucker Carlson immediately blamed the U.S. is maybe the clearest sign yet that Putin gave the order.

— Peter Principle (@Jobsboils) September 28, 2022

You see, Russia blew up their own pipeline but NOT the Norway-EU pipeline that’s right next to it and just opened today

65D undersea chess! pic.twitter.com/3dMypc14Kd

— Jack Posobiec XLV (@JackPosobiec) September 28, 2022

Boris, forget Moose and Squirrel. You blow up pipeline now.

The plot thickens — one day after the Nordstream explosions, Gazprom (Russia’s state gas company) again threatens to cut off Russian gas transit to Europe via Ukrainian pipelines.

Pretty crazy that the flow of Russian gas through Ukraine to Europe continues during the war… https://t.co/HV2WtT0gS6

— Nolan Peterson (@nolanwpeterson) September 28, 2022

Why would Polish officials be thanking the US for this?

They not get the memo to blame Russia for the attack?

Redbrickbear said:

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Why would Polish officials be thanking the US for this?

They not get the memo to blame Russia for the attack?

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Why not post his other tweets about the attack where he blames Russia and calls it a 'Special Maintenance Operation"? Doesn't fit your anti-America narrative? Fool

From the mouth of the 2014 Ukraine coup d'etat manager:

“If Russia invades Ukraine >ONE WAY OR ANOTHER< North Steam 2 will not move forward. pic.twitter.com/rG6vmP8yJe

— Kim Dotcom (@KimDotcom) September 28, 2022

trey3216 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Why would Polish officials be thanking the US for this?

They not get the memo to blame Russia for the attack?

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Why not post his other tweets about the attack where he blames Russia and calls it a 'Special Maintenance Operation"? Doesn't fit your anti-America narrative? Fool

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For the 7,000th time Trey.

Spooks in the CIA and the unaccountable intelligence services are not America. And don't get to claim to speak for us or our Constitutional Republic.

But what's sad is they actually pay Georgetown and Ivy League grads to run interference for the intelligence services on the internet.

You just do it from Waco for free….lol

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Doc Holliday said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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RMF5630 said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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What do you think happened with the Nordstream pipelines?

A: Russia sabotaged them
B: The USA sabotaged them
C. Some other nation or group sabotaged them
D. Miraculously it wasn't sabotage

Russia could just quit delivering gas any time they wanted without needing to blow anything up. Likewise, the EU can just quit buying gas if they decided it's better to freeze. So what happened here?

The chances of the EU agreeing a peace agreement very unlikely now that there is no gas.

---

A. Russia

Like burning one's own boats, it's a message of resolve from Putin to his people and particularly his military. It's also an implicit threat to Europe and other pipelines in the vicinity.

---

So Russia destroyed their own $20 billion dollar pipeline which would make trillions over time, expand their global sphere of influence...as a way to attack the "free world"? How dare they blow up the pipeline that USA/NATO/EU has refused to open or use and has threatened to "shut down" as a threat to Russia.

It's more likely the US or another country shut this off to cut Russia's future money supply.

Gazprom already halted supply of Nordstrom 1 at the beginning of the month. Nordstream 2 was never activated in the first place or in use when it was blown up. This forces an energy problem for Europe because now it's not an option.

Is every narrative "Russia does bad things. Bad thing happened, therefore Russia did it"?

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What makes you think most of Europe plans on working with Russia in the future for its energy needs? Why do you think Russia's land objectives make it extremely difficult to get pipelines from other places East? There's no magic agreement that results in everything back to normal at the snap of a finger. Putin made the call to invade. The consequences are evolving.

---

Energy needs.

Russia blew up their own pipeline but NOT the Norway-EU pipeline that's right next to it and just opened today?

Blame Putin, escalate the war, advance green agenda, make EU dependent.

---

Not sure how cutting gas and thereby highlighting the failure of "green energy" will advance the green agenda. But then again, I am surprised that people have bought into the green agenda as hard as they have.

---

Cutting gas means they EU will have to pump billions into green energy because EU is anti hydrocarbon, or they'll have to buy much more gas from the US. Probably both.

Fear is the most powerful motivator.

I think this is what's going on:

USA is now doing to Germany what Germany did to Greece, and really the entire EU, for the past 15 years - showing them, and not in subtle fashion, who really runs the show.

— FischerKing (@FischerKing64) September 28, 2022

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You are probably right that the EU will not reconsider its position on nukes, coal, or green energy. It is really silly to be that hard headed, but here we (and they) are.

---

You guys really think that Biden has the balls to pull this? He and Obama sent blankets when left to their own. You really think OBiden would take this tact??? I say no way. The guy was scared to leave the basement.

Russia did this and will blame West. This is the first move on the Baltics. You will start to hear that Russia tried,but can't have the Baltics and Ukraine in the West.

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Do you know what the CIA has done around the world for the past 70 years?!

I want to believe the US is wholesome, good and by the book...but that's not even close to reality.

---

The CIA cannot act independently. On something like this, there has to be an Executive Approval.

Remember Iran=Contra? Jail time accompanies not having a get out of jail free card...

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_CIA_controversies

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Controversies, implying that they cannot act independently. That is like saying the My Lai is the same as Battle of Easting in the Gulf War.

I think you read too many conspiracy books. Someone in the Executive Branch approved an operation, especially something like this. You really think that there are CIA Ops, leadership and attorneys saying, sure go ahead blow the pipeline, Executive Branch don't need to know.

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Why do you think the executive branch wouldn't do this?

Again, Biden literally said we could stop it:

Pres. Biden: "If Russia invades...then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it."

Reporter: "But how will you do that, exactly, since...the project is in Germany's control?"

Biden: "I promise you, we will be able to do that." https://t.co/uruQ4F4zM9 pic.twitter.com/4ksDaaU0YC

— ABC News (@ABC) February 7, 2022

Did the US tell the truth about USS Maine, the RMS Lusitania, the USS Greer, the Gulf of Tonkin, Iraqi babies in incubators, WMDs, etc?

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The fact that a Russian media asset like Tucker Carlson immediately blamed the U.S. is maybe the clearest sign yet that Putin gave the order.

— Peter Principle (@Jobsboils) September 28, 2022

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If you believe the Luisitania, Greer and Gulf of Tonkin were done by the US Government, we really can't have a discussion. All three were attacks.

Maine, the initial US report and the Spanish inquiry said accident. So, I can go there.

The other 2 were reports, not attacks.

Wow, do you subscribe to conspiracy.com or something? So, nothing is what we are told? No moon landing, JFK was killed by the US Govt, aliens at Area 51, and male models are assassins? I have a tin foil hat, but you leave me in the dust...

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Redbrickbear said:

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trey3216 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Why would Polish officials be thanking the US for this?

They not get the memo to blame Russia for the attack?

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Why not post his other tweets about the attack where he blames Russia and calls it a 'Special Maintenance Operation"? Doesn't fit your anti-America narrative? Fool

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For the 7,000th time Trey.

Spooks in the CIA and the unaccountable intelligence services are not America. And don't get to claim to speak for us or our Constitutional Republic.

But what's sad is they actually pay Georgetown and Ivy League grads to run interference for the intelligence services on the internet.

You just do it from Waco for free….lol

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I don't run interference for anyone. I'm just capable of wading through a thought project without needing to look like Charlie Kelly or Carrie Matheson and their crazy boards.

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You constantly relate everything the ruling class of the USA does (and it's goals) as synonyms with America and the American people.

And view any criticism of those goals and acts as tantamount to criticism of America itself.

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Doc Holliday said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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What do you think happened with the Nordstream pipelines?

A: Russia sabotaged them
B: The USA sabotaged them
C. Some other nation or group sabotaged them
D. Miraculously it wasn't sabotage

Russia could just quit delivering gas any time they wanted without needing to blow anything up. Likewise, the EU can just quit buying gas if they decided it's better to freeze. So what happened here?

The chances of the EU agreeing a peace agreement very unlikely now that there is no gas.

---

A. Russia

Like burning one's own boats, it's a message of resolve from Putin to his people and particularly his military. It's also an implicit threat to Europe and other pipelines in the vicinity.

---

So Russia destroyed their own $20 billion dollar pipeline which would make trillions over time, expand their global sphere of influence...as a way to attack the "free world"? How dare they blow up the pipeline that USA/NATO/EU has refused to open or use and has threatened to "shut down" as a threat to Russia.

It's more likely the US or another country shut this off to cut Russia's future money supply.

Gazprom already halted supply of Nordstrom 1 at the beginning of the month. Nordstream 2 was never activated in the first place or in use when it was blown up. This forces an energy problem for Europe because now it's not an option.

Is every narrative "Russia does bad things. Bad thing happened, therefore Russia did it"?

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What makes you think most of Europe plans on working with Russia in the future for its energy needs? Why do you think Russia's land objectives make it extremely difficult to get pipelines from other places East? There's no magic agreement that results in everything back to normal at the snap of a finger. Putin made the call to invade. The consequences are evolving.

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Energy needs.

Russia blew up their own pipeline but NOT the Norway-EU pipeline that's right next to it and just opened today?

Blame Putin, escalate the war, advance green agenda, make EU dependent.

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I don't know who or what was the culprit of the pipeline breach. Doesn't change the dynamic at play after Putin decided to invade Ukraine. Again, he decided to invade Ukraine. He decided to alienate his primary customers. We would be stupid not to better position the USA and better energy security for Europe now that Russia is acting like a typical Middle Eastern, North African despotic state. Decisions have consequences.

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Pursuing diplomacy > Military escalation.

trey3216 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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trey3216 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Why would Polish officials be thanking the US for this?

They not get the memo to blame Russia for the attack?

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Why not post his other tweets about the attack where he blames Russia and calls it a 'Special Maintenance Operation"? Doesn't fit your anti-America narrative? Fool

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For the 7,000th time Trey.

Spooks in the CIA and the unaccountable intelligence services are not America. And don't get to claim to speak for us or our Constitutional Republic.

But what's sad is they actually pay Georgetown and Ivy League grads to run interference for the intelligence services on the internet.

You just do it from Waco for free….lol

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I don't run interference for anyone. I'm just capable of wading through a thought project without needing to look like Charlie Kelly or Carrie Matheson and their crazy boards.

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Are there conspiracies? Of course. Are all of these? I really doubt it. I believe there is some opportunism involved, such as the Maine. Some propaganda like WMD. Lusitania was carrying munitions, which would make it a target.

I just think people mistake opportunism for conspiracy. The only 2 I know of was Watergate and Iran-Contra, they are proven.

RMF5630 said:

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trey3216 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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trey3216 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Why would Polish officials be thanking the US for this?

They not get the memo to blame Russia for the attack?

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Why not post his other tweets about the attack where he blames Russia and calls it a 'Special Maintenance Operation"? Doesn't fit your anti-America narrative? Fool

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For the 7,000th time Trey.

Spooks in the CIA and the unaccountable intelligence services are not America. And don't get to claim to speak for us or our Constitutional Republic.

But what's sad is they actually pay Georgetown and Ivy League grads to run interference for the intelligence services on the internet.

You just do it from Waco for free….lol

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I don't run interference for anyone. I'm just capable of wading through a thought project without needing to look like Charlie Kelly or Carrie Matheson and their crazy boards.

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Are there conspiracies? Of course. Are all of these? I really doubt it. I believe there is some opportunism involved, such as the Maine. Some propaganda like WMD. Lusitania was carrying munitions, which would make it a target.

I just think people mistake opportunism for conspiracy. The only 2 I know of was Watergate and Iran-Contra, they are proven.

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Yep. WMD was a lot of propaganda, but also had some truth to it (even if it was old truth). We know for a fact Saddam had WMD's because he killed nearly a million of his own countrymen with them in the 80's. Could those have been transported to Syria and other locales prior to our invasion in '03? Absolutely. Do I think GWB is the devil because he believed the intelligence briefed to him by an extremely trustworthy former General as well as his VP? Absolutely not.

trey3216 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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trey3216 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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trey3216 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Why would Polish officials be thanking the US for this?

They not get the memo to blame Russia for the attack?

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Why not post his other tweets about the attack where he blames Russia and calls it a 'Special Maintenance Operation"? Doesn't fit your anti-America narrative? Fool

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For the 7,000th time Trey.

Spooks in the CIA and the unaccountable intelligence services are not America. And don't get to claim to speak for us or our Constitutional Republic.

But what's sad is they actually pay Georgetown and Ivy League grads to run interference for the intelligence services on the internet.

You just do it from Waco for free….lol

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I don't run interference for anyone. I'm just capable of wading through a thought project without needing to look like Charlie Kelly or Carrie Matheson and their crazy boards.

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Are there conspiracies? Of course. Are all of these? I really doubt it. I believe there is some opportunism involved, such as the Maine. Some propaganda like WMD. Lusitania was carrying munitions, which would make it a target.

I just think people mistake opportunism for conspiracy. The only 2 I know of was Watergate and Iran-Contra, they are proven.

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Yep. WMD was a lot of propaganda, but also had some truth to it (even if it was old truth). We know for a fact Saddam had WMD's because he killed nearly a million of his own countrymen with them in the 80's. Could those have been transported to Syria and other locales prior to our invasion in '03? Absolutely. Do I think GWB is the devil because he believed the intelligence briefed to him by an extremely trustworthy former General as well as his VP? Absolutely not.

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Same here. I do not think Powell, Rice, Bush would have gone if they don't believe it. Cheney or Rumsfeld, not so much.

trey3216 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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trey3216 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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trey3216 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Why would Polish officials be thanking the US for this?

They not get the memo to blame Russia for the attack?

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Why not post his other tweets about the attack where he blames Russia and calls it a 'Special Maintenance Operation"? Doesn't fit your anti-America narrative? Fool

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For the 7,000th time Trey.

Spooks in the CIA and the unaccountable intelligence services are not America. And don't get to claim to speak for us or our Constitutional Republic.

But what's sad is they actually pay Georgetown and Ivy League grads to run interference for the intelligence services on the internet.

You just do it from Waco for free….lol

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I don't run interference for anyone. I'm just capable of wading through a thought project without needing to look like Charlie Kelly or Carrie Matheson and their crazy boards.

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Are there conspiracies? Of course. Are all of these? I really doubt it. I believe there is some opportunism involved, such as the Maine. Some propaganda like WMD. Lusitania was carrying munitions, which would make it a target.

I just think people mistake opportunism for conspiracy. The only 2 I know of was Watergate and Iran-Contra, they are proven.

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Yep. WMD was a lot of propaganda, but also had some truth to it (even if it was old truth). We know for a fact Saddam had WMD's because he killed nearly a million of his own countrymen with them in the 80's. Could those have been transported to Syria and other locales prior to our invasion in '03? Absolutely. Do I think GWB is the devil because he believed the intelligence briefed to him by an extremely trustworthy former General as well as his VP? Absolutely not.

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Sounds like a good summation of reasons not to trust the unaccountable intelligence services.