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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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What is a "literalist?" I don't want to answer your question is it was not intended for me.

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A literalist believes the God of the Bible believes that can create or stop a hurricane. Science believes that idea is nonsensical

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Science says the idea of god in general is nonsensical. So why do you purport to believe in that which science says is nonsensical?

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Science says no such thing, and can say no such thing and still be science.

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God as understood as able to overcome physics, chemistry or biology is indeed nonsensical to science, to secular people and Christians.
Christian's of deep faith cannot abide a God is love and allows the innocent to suffer. No theodicy can assuage them.

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Your premises are incorrect. 99 percent of Christians would find it nonsensical to say that God *lacks* authority over the natural world. If you want some reading on the interplay between Christianity and science, you could try The Science of God, by MIT-trained physicist Dr Gerald Schroeder, or The Language of God by Dr Francis Collins.

As for God "allowing the innocent to suffer," we should point out that no form of Christian theology has ever taught that God guarantees everyone a worry-free, pain-free, stress-free life.

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God has allowed and still allows many to suffer but it is only our selfishness that sees this as a flaw of God.

Waco: "Christian's of deep faith cannot abide a God is love and allows the innocent to suffer."

If that statement were true, then Christ's suffering and death never happened.

You stand against the Gospel itself, Waco.

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Waco1947 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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What is a "literalist?" I don't want to answer your question is it was not intended for me.

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A literalist believes the God of the Bible believes that can create or stop a hurricane. Science believes that idea is nonsensical

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Science says the idea of god in general is nonsensical. So why do you purport to believe in that which science says is nonsensical?

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Science says no such thing, and can say no such thing and still be science.

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I am using 47's own reasoning and view of the world. He believes science disproves the existence of the supernatural. By extension, that would disprove the existence of the God he purports to believe in.

In short, there is a reason my post was directed to him and not you.

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I believe God is spiritual as in love, prayer, communion, fellowship of disciples who share common life together and seek to be faithful. The supernatural is hocus pocus but God is real in the spiritual world as we follow Jesus.

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But "spirituality" is an impossibility, according to your logic, unless of course by spirituality you merely mean one's emotions instead of the spirituality described in scripture. Spirituality, as described by Jesus and his apostles, requires belief in a actual spirit or soul - a supernatural being or presence that exists in each of us. That is the spirt described in scripture.

If, on the other hand, you are referring to the seat of one's emotions when you use the word "spirituality," well you're merely taking about feeling and emotions, not spirituality as described in scripture. You are talking about Jesus as an idea or belief we should strive to emulate, not an actual being that is alive today (outside of our minds, anyway).

And let's be honest - that it the Jesus you believe in - an idea we should strive to emulate, not an actual person as described in scripture who existed, and continues to exist, in the spirit world. For you, Jesus is merely a belief, and you can claim he is "alive" as long as the idea of Jesus is alive, but you don't actually subscribe to what scripture actually says about him - that he lived, died for our sins, rose again, performed miracles, and physically exists in spirit form today.

I am sure you will take great issue with what I am saying, because you use enough Christian code words to try and make others - and perhaps even yourself - believe you are actually "Christian" in your views. You attempt to use enough of Christian vernacular to keep others guessing, but let's be honest - the only way a "God" exists is if the supernatural exists. God is not merely an idea or thought, as you would make him. Scripture is clear he is not only alive as an idea in our minds, but an actual physical presence. That you don't believe.

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Your first premise "spirituality according to you means one's emotion." You put the words in my mouth. By love I mean love on the cross in all it's suffering and dehumanizing Way's. Love is more than "mere emotions ". I have consistently made this point. You others consistently disparage your supposed definition of what I mean by love.
I Corinthians 13 has a great definition of love and it is that love I try to live out. Love is also the power of God in our lives. My proof of God's love is the overwhelming witness of Scripture and the faith at work in love I see in disciple of Jesus who are all around me.
So stop trying to tell me what I believe but listen to what actually say.

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As DC said, this is word salad designed to masquerade as Christianity. You don't believe in the basic tenets of the Christian faith - that Christ lived, died, conquered sin through his death and is physically alive today. You believe God is an emotion - love.

No need to put words in your mouth or assume anything. You said this yourself.

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I thought 47 was a preacher???

So he does not believe god created everything?

What kind of preacher is he?

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A false preacher.

He is the fulfillment of the prophecy in Matthew 24:
4 Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Messiah,' and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9 "Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.


and again in 2 Peter 2:
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought thembringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

And in 1 John 4 we see how to recognize the false teachers like Waco47 (bold added by me)

Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. 5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. 6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit[a] of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

Waco47 clearly speaks with the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to him. He is constantly trying to pull people away from the clear message of the Bible, and is trying to lead people away from faith in God.

His words sound good and enticing to those who are in love with modern culture and the desires of the flesh. He is opposed to the teachings of the Bible, which is why he leans upon the modern interpretations of "science" to disprove the Bible.

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Shooter as a leftist atheist and a false teacher you have no authority over me to declare me anything my infernal father below doesn't approve.
Falseness is all dependent on where one stands. You stand in a true biblically sound theology so you see evil, leftist twisting of God's words and commands for political gain as false. I am a leftist atheist who nevertheless worships Satan and cannot know if you are a false prophet but I assume you believe Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior and I think He was an imaginary unicorn whose pesky words constantly thwart my goals as a follower of Satan. You're not false but I would challenge you to give Satan a fair hearing.

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"Here you go again.
1.You claim that your theology is based upon the scripture, yet you deny entire sections of biblically based theology
.My first and foremost Biblical premise is that God is love and it is against that standard that we judge all other scripture. The authority of says unequivocally God is love. If "God is love" then that love is in its fullness and completely the nature of God. All other biblical and theological interpretations are judged against that premise. Is there another premise? Maybe the other premise is God is all powerful which. I address in your next interpretation and your premise and your interpretation that love and power over physics, chemistry, and biology can coexist. They cannot.
2. The Bible says that "God is love"... and you agree with it so it must be true. The Bible also says that "God is all powerful" and you declare it to be false.
See my statement above. if God is love then no other premise can stand. If one says God is all powerful then ALL powerful; yet, we have have free will - the power to decide for ourselves the next moment of our lives. God cannot contravene the power inherent because then God really, really powerful but not ALL powerful because you and I have the power to decide for ourselves.
As a pastor I have performed memorial and burial services for 5 or 6 babies - innocent children. The parents demand from your All powerful God that the innocent child's demise is God's fault and God's love failed them.
These parent's exclaim that "If God is love then God is not a god worthy of worship and relationship if that god fails to save their child.
There a dynamic tension between ALL powerful and love. They cannot exist logically together so I come down on the side of love - God's all encompassing, forgiving love. I cannot logically participates in God's love by love others. In the act of loving others (see the greatest command) God acts with me in this world..
You have placed yourself in authority over scripture, and yet you claim your beliefs come from scripture.
I live under the authority of the Bible not your interpretation and my Bible says unequically that God is love -- no other attribute can supercede the commandment to love and the foundational principle that God is love.
This is text book false theology and false teaching.According to your interpretation. You raise interesting questions. I hope I have answered carefully and responded to what you actual said.
Our back and forth is great dialogue. I look forward to your careful response.
I do not claim authority over you, the Bible has that authority and it is by the scriptures that you are found to be false.Again, it is your interpretation of the Bible with which I disagree. I, too, live the authority of the Bible. You cannot judgment by your interpretation. You may judge me by what the authoirty of the scripture which is God's love and grace.

One cannot claim to follow Christ and yet also claim that God is lying about Himself. These are mutually exclusive.
Again, I disagree with your interpretation and claim the God of love and seek to be God's disciple in that love, not your judgment.

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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God created a Hurricane and can't stop it?

There's your .005

Glad I could help

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You beg the question. Can God create a hurricane? The answer is not "The Bible says so." Science says no.God cannot.

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So is your faith in what science says this week or, in what God has always said?

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Physics, chemistry and biology are the stuff of the universe. Gravity is gravity to the ends of the universe and to time. That's eternal. Pure science in and of itself is eternal and our human understanding of it may change this week but the stuff of science does not change.
God is also eternal. Like gravity God as unconditional love was present at the start of the universe and is present now and eternally. Neither science nor God's can be denied.

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How is something eternal when it is on a fixed timeline? And science has changed so many times, I'm not sure how you can even posit that. Maybe God, like science, is revealed to us more as we understand them more.

It is God's Judgment you should regard, and fear, Waco.

Waco47 -

Third and final request for your clarification.

What is your definition of God?
What are His attributes?
How did you come about this theology?

TIA

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"Here you go again.
1.You claim that your theology is based upon the scripture, yet you deny entire sections of biblically based theology
.My first and foremost Biblical premise is that God is love and it is against that standard that we judge all other scripture. The authority of says unequivocally God is love. If "God is love" then that love is in its fullness and completely the nature of God. All other biblical and theological interpretations are judged against that premise. Is there another premise? Maybe the other premise is God is all powerful which. I address in your next interpretation and your premise and your interpretation that love and power over physics, chemistry, and biology can coexist. They cannot.
2. The Bible says that "God is love"... and you agree with it so it must be true. The Bible also says that "God is all powerful" and you declare it to be false.
See my statement above. if God is love then no other premise can stand. If one says God is all powerful then ALL powerful; yet, we have have free will - the power to decide for ourselves the next moment of our lives. God cannot contravene the power inherent because then God really, really powerful but not ALL powerful because you and I have the power to decide for ourselves.
As a pastor I have performed memorial and burial services for 5 or 6 babies - innocent children. The parents demand from your All powerful God that the innocent child's demise is God's fault and God's love failed them.
These parent's exclaim that "If God is love then God is not a god worthy of worship and relationship if that god fails to save their child.
There a dynamic tension between ALL powerful and love. They cannot exist logically together so I come down on the side of love - God's all encompassing, forgiving love. I cannot logically participates in God's love by love others. In the act of loving others (see the greatest command) God acts with me in this world..
You have placed yourself in authority over scripture, and yet you claim your beliefs come from scripture.
I live under the authority of the Bible not your interpretation and my Bible says unequically that God is love -- no other attribute can supercede the commandment to love and the foundational principle that God is love.
This is text book false theology and false teaching.According to your interpretation. You raise interesting questions. I hope I have answered carefully and responded to what you actual said.
Our back and forth is great dialogue. I look forward to your careful response.
I do not claim authority over you, the Bible has that authority and it is by the scriptures that you are found to be false.Again, it is your interpretation of the Bible with which I disagree. I, too, live the authority of the Bible. You cannot judgment by your interpretation. You may judge me by what the authoirty of the scripture which is God's love and grace.

One cannot claim to follow Christ and yet also claim that God is lying about Himself. These are mutually exclusive.
Again, I disagree with your interpretation and claim the God of love and seek to be God's disciple in that love, not your judgment.

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God can be both all loving and all powerful without logical contradiction, and this does not depend on an interpretation of scripture or even a belief in scripture.

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Waco47 -

Third and final request for your clarification.

What is your definition of God? God is love
What are His attributes? Love, justice,
How did you come about this theology? Seminary and reading Tillich, Whitehead, Schubert Ogden, WJA Power (Biblical theology, Fred Craddock, Victor Paul Furnish

TIA

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"Here you go again.
1.You claim that your theology is based upon the scripture, yet you deny entire sections of biblically based theology
.My first and foremost Biblical premise is that God is love and it is against that standard that we judge all other scripture. The authority of says unequivocally God is love. If "God is love" then that love is in its fullness and completely the nature of God. All other biblical and theological interpretations are judged against that premise. Is there another premise? Maybe the other premise is God is all powerful which. I address in your next interpretation and your premise and your interpretation that love and power over physics, chemistry, and biology can coexist. They cannot.
2. The Bible says that "God is love"... and you agree with it so it must be true. The Bible also says that "God is all powerful" and you declare it to be false.
See my statement above. if God is love then no other premise can stand. If one says God is all powerful then ALL powerful; yet, we have have free will - the power to decide for ourselves the next moment of our lives. God cannot contravene the power inherent because then God really, really powerful but not ALL powerful because you and I have the power to decide for ourselves.
As a pastor I have performed memorial and burial services for 5 or 6 babies - innocent children. The parents demand from your All powerful God that the innocent child's demise is God's fault and God's love failed them.
These parent's exclaim that "If God is love then God is not a god worthy of worship and relationship if that god fails to save their child.
There a dynamic tension between ALL powerful and love. They cannot exist logically together so I come down on the side of love - God's all encompassing, forgiving love. I cannot logically participates in God's love by love others. In the act of loving others (see the greatest command) God acts with me in this world..
You have placed yourself in authority over scripture, and yet you claim your beliefs come from scripture.
I live under the authority of the Bible not your interpretation and my Bible says unequically that God is love -- no other attribute can supercede the commandment to love and the foundational principle that God is love.
This is text book false theology and false teaching.According to your interpretation. You raise interesting questions. I hope I have answered carefully and responded to what you actual said.
Our back and forth is great dialogue. I look forward to your careful response.
I do not claim authority over you, the Bible has that authority and it is by the scriptures that you are found to be false.Again, it is your interpretation of the Bible with which I disagree. I, too, live the authority of the Bible. You cannot judgment by your interpretation. You may judge me by what the authoirty of the scripture which is God's love and grace.

One cannot claim to follow Christ and yet also claim that God is lying about Himself. These are mutually exclusive.
Again, I disagree with your interpretation and claim the God of love and seek to be God's disciple in that love, not your judgment.

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God can be both all loving and all powerful without logical contradiction, and this does not depend on an interpretation of scripture or even a belief in scripture.

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Then support your logically. But read my statement above in response to Shooter. My response should be your starting. Your declaration indicates you did not read it otherwise you would know I answered it

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Waco1947 said:

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"Here you go again.
1.You claim that your theology is based upon the scripture, yet you deny entire sections of biblically based theology
.My first and foremost Biblical premise is that God is love and it is against that standard that we judge all other scripture. The authority of says unequivocally God is love. If "God is love" then that love is in its fullness and completely the nature of God. All other biblical and theological interpretations are judged against that premise. Is there another premise? Maybe the other premise is God is all powerful which. I address in your next interpretation and your premise and your interpretation that love and power over physics, chemistry, and biology can coexist. They cannot.
2. The Bible says that "God is love"... and you agree with it so it must be true. The Bible also says that "God is all powerful" and you declare it to be false.
See my statement above. if God is love then no other premise can stand. If one says God is all powerful then ALL powerful; yet, we have have free will - the power to decide for ourselves the next moment of our lives. God cannot contravene the power inherent because then God really, really powerful but not ALL powerful because you and I have the power to decide for ourselves.
As a pastor I have performed memorial and burial services for 5 or 6 babies - innocent children. The parents demand from your All powerful God that the innocent child's demise is God's fault and God's love failed them.
These parent's exclaim that "If God is love then God is not a god worthy of worship and relationship if that god fails to save their child.
There a dynamic tension between ALL powerful and love. They cannot exist logically together so I come down on the side of love - God's all encompassing, forgiving love. I cannot logically participates in God's love by love others. In the act of loving others (see the greatest command) God acts with me in this world..
You have placed yourself in authority over scripture, and yet you claim your beliefs come from scripture.
I live under the authority of the Bible not your interpretation and my Bible says unequically that God is love -- no other attribute can supercede the commandment to love and the foundational principle that God is love.
This is text book false theology and false teaching.According to your interpretation. You raise interesting questions. I hope I have answered carefully and responded to what you actual said.
Our back and forth is great dialogue. I look forward to your careful response.
I do not claim authority over you, the Bible has that authority and it is by the scriptures that you are found to be false.Again, it is your interpretation of the Bible with which I disagree. I, too, live the authority of the Bible. You cannot judgment by your interpretation. You may judge me by what the authoirty of the scripture which is God's love and grace.

One cannot claim to follow Christ and yet also claim that God is lying about Himself. These are mutually exclusive.
Again, I disagree with your interpretation and claim the God of love and seek to be God's disciple in that love, not your judgment.

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God can be both all loving and all powerful without logical contradiction, and this does not depend on an interpretation of scripture or even a belief in scripture.

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Then support your logically. But read my statement above in response to Shooter. My response should be your starting. Your declaration indicates you did not read it otherwise you would know I answered it

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I read every word of your response quite carefully. However, I find your logic, independent of scripture, quite lacking. It looks like you have an insufficient definition of love.

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Waco47 -

Third and final request for your clarification.

What is your definition of God? God is love
What are His attributes? Love, justice,
How did you come about this theology? Seminary and reading Tillich, Whitehead, Schubert Ogden, WJA Power (Biblical theology, Fred Craddock, Victor Paul Furnish

TIA

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Thank you for your answers.

I would 100% agree that God is Love, but most on here would argue that it is a limited definition.

I'll respond later when I have a little more time.

My first and foremost biblical premise is "God is love"
It is premise against which all other theological, philosophical, biblical premises must be tested. Must be tested.

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My first and foremost biblical premise is "God is love"
It is premise against which all other theological, philosophical, biblical premises must be tested. Must be tested.

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Yes, but man limits God because he didn't "save" an infant.

Christians believe that Heaven is infinitely greater than life on earth. I cannot imagine the lost of a child. I won't try to pretend. Having said that, I that infant in Heaven has a better existence at this point than we on earth.

I'm sure that parents are hurting; however, they are looking (understandably) at an incredibly infinitesimal small space of time. God's love is still present with them.

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"Here you go again.
1.You claim that your theology is based upon the scripture, yet you deny entire sections of biblically based theology
.My first and foremost Biblical premise is that God is love and it is against that standard that we judge all other scripture. The authority of says unequivocally God is love. If "God is love" then that love is in its fullness and completely the nature of God. All other biblical and theological interpretations are judged against that premise. Is there another premise? Maybe the other premise is God is all powerful which. I address in your next interpretation and your premise and your interpretation that love and power over physics, chemistry, and biology can coexist. They cannot.
2. The Bible says that "God is love"... and you agree with it so it must be true. The Bible also says that "God is all powerful" and you declare it to be false.
See my statement above. if God is love then no other premise can stand. If one says God is all powerful then ALL powerful; yet, we have have free will - the power to decide for ourselves the next moment of our lives. God cannot contravene the power inherent because then God really, really powerful but not ALL powerful because you and I have the power to decide for ourselves.
As a pastor I have performed memorial and burial services for 5 or 6 babies - innocent children. The parents demand from your All powerful God that the innocent child's demise is God's fault and God's love failed them.
These parent's exclaim that "If God is love then God is not a god worthy of worship and relationship if that god fails to save their child.
There a dynamic tension between ALL powerful and love. They cannot exist logically together so I come down on the side of love - God's all encompassing, forgiving love. I cannot logically participates in God's love by love others. In the act of loving others (see the greatest command) God acts with me in this world..
You have placed yourself in authority over scripture, and yet you claim your beliefs come from scripture.
I live under the authority of the Bible not your interpretation and my Bible says unequically that God is love -- no other attribute can supercede the commandment to love and the foundational principle that God is love.
This is text book false theology and false teaching.According to your interpretation. You raise interesting questions. I hope I have answered carefully and responded to what you actual said.
Our back and forth is great dialogue. I look forward to your careful response.
I do not claim authority over you, the Bible has that authority and it is by the scriptures that you are found to be false.Again, it is your interpretation of the Bible with which I disagree. I, too, live the authority of the Bible. You cannot judgment by your interpretation. You may judge me by what the authoirty of the scripture which is God's love and grace.

One cannot claim to follow Christ and yet also claim that God is lying about Himself. These are mutually exclusive.
Again, I disagree with your interpretation and claim the God of love and seek to be God's disciple in that love, not your judgment.

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To say that I disagree with you is a vast understatement.. but let's just try baby steps instead of going for it all in one post.

Is it loving to witness pain and do nothing to stop it, when you know you can stop it immediately? Is that an example of love?

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"Here you go again.
1.You claim that your theology is based upon the scripture, yet you deny entire sections of biblically based theology
.My first and foremost Biblical premise is that God is love and it is against that standard that we judge all other scripture. The authority of says unequivocally God is love. If "God is love" then that love is in its fullness and completely the nature of God. All other biblical and theological interpretations are judged against that premise. Is there another premise? Maybe the other premise is God is all powerful which. I address in your next interpretation and your premise and your interpretation that love and power over physics, chemistry, and biology can coexist. They cannot.
2. The Bible says that "God is love"... and you agree with it so it must be true. The Bible also says that "God is all powerful" and you declare it to be false.
See my statement above. if God is love then no other premise can stand. If one says God is all powerful then ALL powerful; yet, we have have free will - the power to decide for ourselves the next moment of our lives. God cannot contravene the power inherent because then God really, really powerful but not ALL powerful because you and I have the power to decide for ourselves.
As a pastor I have performed memorial and burial services for 5 or 6 babies - innocent children. The parents demand from your All powerful God that the innocent child's demise is God's fault and God's love failed them.
These parent's exclaim that "If God is love then God is not a god worthy of worship and relationship if that god fails to save their child.
There a dynamic tension between ALL powerful and love. They cannot exist logically together so I come down on the side of love - God's all encompassing, forgiving love. I cannot logically participates in God's love by love others. In the act of loving others (see the greatest command) God acts with me in this world..
You have placed yourself in authority over scripture, and yet you claim your beliefs come from scripture.
I live under the authority of the Bible not your interpretation and my Bible says unequically that God is love -- no other attribute can supercede the commandment to love and the foundational principle that God is love.
This is text book false theology and false teaching.According to your interpretation. You raise interesting questions. I hope I have answered carefully and responded to what you actual said.
Our back and forth is great dialogue. I look forward to your careful response.
I do not claim authority over you, the Bible has that authority and it is by the scriptures that you are found to be false.Again, it is your interpretation of the Bible with which I disagree. I, too, live the authority of the Bible. You cannot judgment by your interpretation. You may judge me by what the authoirty of the scripture which is God's love and grace.

One cannot claim to follow Christ and yet also claim that God is lying about Himself. These are mutually exclusive.
Again, I disagree with your interpretation and claim the God of love and seek to be God's disciple in that love, not your judgment.

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To say that I disagree with you is a vast understatement.. but let's just try baby steps instead of going for it all in one post.

Is it loving to witness pain and do nothing to stop it, when you know you can stop it immediately? Is that an example of love?

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It can be loving to witness pain and do nothing to stop it when you know you can stop it immediately.

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Shooter as a Christian and pastor you have no authority over me to declare me a false prophet.
Falseness is all dependent on where one stands. You stand in a traditionalist theology so you see progressives as false. I am a progressive and cannot know if you are a false prophet but I assume you believe Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior and so do I. You're not false but I would challenge your theology but not your faith. I ask the same of you.

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By the way, I am sad that your feelings are hurt by this thread. You should be aware that challenging people on their faith and theology is very personal. Your opening post was a challenge towards the theology of others (in a very mocking tone), and it seems natural that a challenge would be returned. Perhaps you thought everyone would just agree with you?

For the record, I do not really concern myself with your opinions on my faith or my theology. I know the truth, and am very secure in my relationship with God. If you wish to claim that I am false or my faith is false or whatever... go ahead. It doesn't matter to me. You can claim that I am a false prophet, but I would suggest that you back up those claims with Biblical passages to support your claims, as I have done. Years ago, I dealt with that issue. The truth is that no one on this earth will ever perfectly judge me, my actions or my character. There is only one person who will do that, and his name is Jesus. His opinion is the only one that truly matters to me. You can state incorrect opinions or straight up lies about me, and it really won't matter. Of course, I will always counter with the truth but it won't hurt my feelings or upset me. I hope someday you can experience the true love & full acceptance of Jesus... it is quite freeing.

I will pray for you, that you will find your way to Jesus who is the truth. Until that time, I will counter your false claims about God with the truth. If that offends you, then I suggest you keep your false ideas to yourself. As long as you attempt to lead others astray, you should get used to being challenged and offended.

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Thank you.

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Waco1947 said:

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My first and foremost biblical premise is "God is love"
It is premise against which all other theological, philosophical, biblical premises must be tested. Must be tested.

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Yes, but man limits God because he didn't "save" an infant. Humans cannot limit God with regards to love but your (Coke Bear) understanding of God delivers a theology that lays blame at God's feet whose, all power nature of your theology rules the univese and could have "saved" the baby.universe

Christians believe that Heaven is infinitely greater than life on earth. I cannot imagine the loss of a child. I won't try to pretend to. Having said that, I am sure that infant in Heaven has a better existence at this point than we on earth. That notion will not fly with the parents. God could have saved but did not. That is the onus placed on your theology. Having talked to way too many parents who have lost a child, believe all they hear is "blah, blah,Heaven."

I'm sure that parents are hurting; however, they are looking (understandably) at an incredibly infinitesimal small space of time. God's love is still present with them.You are offering platitudes that reflect a theology that makes no sense to parent. What parents say is, "Coke Bear, if your God is both all powerful and also all love then why did God not intervene biologically to save my child. Your God makes no sense."

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D. C. Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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"Here you go again.
1.You claim that your theology is based upon the scripture, yet you deny entire sections of biblically based theology
.My first and foremost Biblical premise is that God is love and it is against that standard that we judge all other scripture. The authority of says unequivocally God is love. If "God is love" then that love is in its fullness and completely the nature of God. All other biblical and theological interpretations are judged against that premise. Is there another premise? Maybe the other premise is God is all powerful which. I address in your next interpretation and your premise and your interpretation that love and power over physics, chemistry, and biology can coexist. They cannot.
2. The Bible says that "God is love"... and you agree with it so it must be true. The Bible also says that "God is all powerful" and you declare it to be false.
See my statement above. if God is love then no other premise can stand. If one says God is all powerful then ALL powerful; yet, we have have free will - the power to decide for ourselves the next moment of our lives. God cannot contravene the power inherent because then God really, really powerful but not ALL powerful because you and I have the power to decide for ourselves.
As a pastor I have performed memorial and burial services for 5 or 6 babies - innocent children. The parents demand from your All powerful God that the innocent child's demise is God's fault and God's love failed them.
These parent's exclaim that "If God is love then God is not a god worthy of worship and relationship if that god fails to save their child.
There a dynamic tension between ALL powerful and love. They cannot exist logically together so I come down on the side of love - God's all encompassing, forgiving love. I cannot logically participates in God's love by love others. In the act of loving others (see the greatest command) God acts with me in this world..
You have placed yourself in authority over scripture, and yet you claim your beliefs come from scripture.
I live under the authority of the Bible not your interpretation and my Bible says unequically that God is love -- no other attribute can supercede the commandment to love and the foundational principle that God is love.
This is text book false theology and false teaching.According to your interpretation. You raise interesting questions. I hope I have answered carefully and responded to what you actual said.
Our back and forth is great dialogue. I look forward to your careful response.
I do not claim authority over you, the Bible has that authority and it is by the scriptures that you are found to be false.Again, it is your interpretation of the Bible with which I disagree. I, too, live the authority of the Bible. You cannot judgment by your interpretation. You may judge me by what the authoirty of the scripture which is God's love and grace.

One cannot claim to follow Christ and yet also claim that God is lying about Himself. These are mutually exclusive.
Again, I disagree with your interpretation and claim the God of love and seek to be God's disciple in that love, not your judgment.

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God can be both all loving and all powerful without logical contradiction, and this does not depend on an interpretation of scripture or even a belief in scripture. Then tell me why it is not a logical contradiction.
If God is all powerful then why does God choose not to act in a world full of war and pain and suffering and hunger and disease. An all powerful God of physics, chemistry, and biology could act in a instance to bring this world's suffering to an end. Goes not act to end it which makes God an exceptionally cruel God if that god is all powerful.

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Waco1947 said:

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Coke Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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My first and foremost biblical premise is "God is love"
It is premise against which all other theological, philosophical, biblical premises must be tested. Must be tested.

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Yes, but man limits God because he didn't "save" an infant. Humans cannot limit God with regards to love but your (Coke Bear) understanding of God delivers a theology that lays blame at God's feet whose, all power nature of your theology rules the univese and could have "saved" the baby.universe

Christians believe that Heaven is infinitely greater than life on earth. I cannot imagine the loss of a child. I won't try to pretend to. Having said that, I am sure that infant in Heaven has a better existence at this point than we on earth. That notion will not fly with the parents. God could have saved but did not. That is the onus placed on your theology. Having talked to way too many parents who have lost a child, believe all they hear is "blah, blah,Heaven."

I'm sure that parents are hurting; however, they are looking (understandably) at an incredibly infinitesimal small space of time. God's love is still present with them.You are offering platitudes that reflect a theology that makes no sense to parent. What parents say is, "Coke Bear, if your God is both all powerful and also all love then why did God not intervene biologically to save my child. Your God makes no sense."

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Per 47, Job is a cartoon character so there is nothing to be gained by reading that book.

Waco1947 said:

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Coke Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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My first and foremost biblical premise is "God is love"
It is premise against which all other theological, philosophical, biblical premises must be tested. Must be tested.

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Yes, but man limits God because he didn't "save" an infant. Humans cannot limit God with regards to love but your (Coke Bear) understanding of God delivers a theology that lays blame at God's feet whose, all power nature of your theology rules the univese and could have "saved" the baby.universe

Christians believe that Heaven is infinitely greater than life on earth. I cannot imagine the loss of a child. I won't try to pretend to. Having said that, I am sure that infant in Heaven has a better existence at this point than we on earth. That notion will not fly with the parents. God could have saved but did not. That is the onus placed on your theology. Having talked to way too many parents who have lost a child, believe all they hear is "blah, blah,Heaven."

I'm sure that parents are hurting; however, they are looking (understandably) at an incredibly infinitesimal small space of time. God's love is still present with them.You are offering platitudes that reflect a theology that makes no sense to parent. What parents say is, "Coke Bear, if your God is both all powerful and also all love then why did God not intervene biologically to save my child. Your God makes no sense."

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God can be all powerful and can be all love and still not save your child. Your thoughts are selfish.

Waco1947 said:

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Coke Bear said:

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Waco47 -

Third and final request for your clarification.

What is your definition of God? God is love
What are His attributes? Love, justice,
How did you come about this theology? Seminary and reading Tillich, Whitehead, Schubert Ogden, WJA Power (Biblical theology, Fred Craddock, Victor Paul Furnish

TIA

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Asked and answered

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So for you God is a mere emotion, but not a physical or spiritual incarnation, and not who he says he is in scripture.

You might consider that you are no longer Christian, 47.

Waco1947 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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"Here you go again.
1.You claim that your theology is based upon the scripture, yet you deny entire sections of biblically based theology
.My first and foremost Biblical premise is that God is love and it is against that standard that we judge all other scripture. The authority of says unequivocally God is love. If "God is love" then that love is in its fullness and completely the nature of God. All other biblical and theological interpretations are judged against that premise. Is there another premise? Maybe the other premise is God is all powerful which. I address in your next interpretation and your premise and your interpretation that love and power over physics, chemistry, and biology can coexist. They cannot.
2. The Bible says that "God is love"... and you agree with it so it must be true. The Bible also says that "God is all powerful" and you declare it to be false.
See my statement above. if God is love then no other premise can stand. If one says God is all powerful then ALL powerful; yet, we have have free will - the power to decide for ourselves the next moment of our lives. God cannot contravene the power inherent because then God really, really powerful but not ALL powerful because you and I have the power to decide for ourselves.
As a pastor I have performed memorial and burial services for 5 or 6 babies - innocent children. The parents demand from your All powerful God that the innocent child's demise is God's fault and God's love failed them.
These parent's exclaim that "If God is love then God is not a god worthy of worship and relationship if that god fails to save their child.
There a dynamic tension between ALL powerful and love. They cannot exist logically together so I come down on the side of love - God's all encompassing, forgiving love. I cannot logically participates in God's love by love others. In the act of loving others (see the greatest command) God acts with me in this world..
You have placed yourself in authority over scripture, and yet you claim your beliefs come from scripture.
I live under the authority of the Bible not your interpretation and my Bible says unequically that God is love -- no other attribute can supercede the commandment to love and the foundational principle that God is love.
This is text book false theology and false teaching.According to your interpretation. You raise interesting questions. I hope I have answered carefully and responded to what you actual said.
Our back and forth is great dialogue. I look forward to your careful response.
I do not claim authority over you, the Bible has that authority and it is by the scriptures that you are found to be false.Again, it is your interpretation of the Bible with which I disagree. I, too, live the authority of the Bible. You cannot judgment by your interpretation. You may judge me by what the authoirty of the scripture which is God's love and grace.

One cannot claim to follow Christ and yet also claim that God is lying about Himself. These are mutually exclusive.
Again, I disagree with your interpretation and claim the God of love and seek to be God's disciple in that love, not your judgment.

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God can be both all loving and all powerful without logical contradiction, and this does not depend on an interpretation of scripture or even a belief in scripture. Then tell me why it is not a logical contradiction.
If God is all powerful then why does God choose not to act in a world full of war and pain and suffering and hunger and disease. An all powerful God of physics, chemistry, and biology could act in a instance to bring this world's suffering to an end. Goes not act to end it which makes God an exceptionally cruel God if that god is all powerful.

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Your error is focusing on one verse to the exclusion of all others. God is indeed love, but it does not appear you understand what John meant by that characterization. He was describing the attributes of God. He was not saying God is a mere emotion.

God says much about himself in scripture. You would appear to ignore all other aspects of God by focusing on one verse in 1John that describes the attributes of God.

Therein lies your error.

Waco1947 said:

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See my statement above. if God is love then no other premise can stand. If one says God is all powerful then ALL powerful; yet, we have have free will - the power to decide for ourselves the next moment of our lives. God cannot contravene the power inherent because then God really, really powerful but not ALL powerful because you and I have the power to decide for ourselves.

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It is so unfortunate how your beliefs are shaped by such flawed thinking and understanding.

All powerful does not mean that power is continually being exerted in every moment at the expense of overriding our free will. It means God has the capacity to do all but may choose not to.

Waco1947 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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God can be both all loving and all powerful without logical contradiction, and this does not depend on an interpretation of scripture or even a belief in scripture. Then tell me why it is not a logical contradiction.
If God is all powerful then why does God choose not to act in a world full of war and pain and suffering and hunger and disease. An all powerful God of physics, chemistry, and biology could act in a instance to bring this world's suffering to an end. Goes not act to end it which makes God an exceptionally cruel God if that god is all powerful.

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God may have a plan for all the suffering and evil in the world. You are forgetting that the whole story isn't over yet. What God has planned may prove to be all loving in the end. You don't even know what's one second in front of your face, and you think you are a position to judge God? You with your heavily flawed, extremely limited perspective are defining "love" based on what YOU think is good. Humility before God is understanding that what seems right to us, may not be so.

Waco1947 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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"Here you go again.
1.You claim that your theology is based upon the scripture, yet you deny entire sections of biblically based theology
.My first and foremost Biblical premise is that God is love and it is against that standard that we judge all other scripture. The authority of says unequivocally God is love. If "God is love" then that love is in its fullness and completely the nature of God. All other biblical and theological interpretations are judged against that premise. Is there another premise? Maybe the other premise is God is all powerful which. I address in your next interpretation and your premise and your interpretation that love and power over physics, chemistry, and biology can coexist. They cannot.
2. The Bible says that "God is love"... and you agree with it so it must be true. The Bible also says that "God is all powerful" and you declare it to be false.
See my statement above. if God is love then no other premise can stand. If one says God is all powerful then ALL powerful; yet, we have have free will - the power to decide for ourselves the next moment of our lives. God cannot contravene the power inherent because then God really, really powerful but not ALL powerful because you and I have the power to decide for ourselves.
As a pastor I have performed memorial and burial services for 5 or 6 babies - innocent children. The parents demand from your All powerful God that the innocent child's demise is God's fault and God's love failed them.
These parent's exclaim that "If God is love then God is not a god worthy of worship and relationship if that god fails to save their child.
There a dynamic tension between ALL powerful and love. They cannot exist logically together so I come down on the side of love - God's all encompassing, forgiving love. I cannot logically participates in God's love by love others. In the act of loving others (see the greatest command) God acts with me in this world..
You have placed yourself in authority over scripture, and yet you claim your beliefs come from scripture.
I live under the authority of the Bible not your interpretation and my Bible says unequically that God is love -- no other attribute can supercede the commandment to love and the foundational principle that God is love.
This is text book false theology and false teaching.According to your interpretation. You raise interesting questions. I hope I have answered carefully and responded to what you actual said.
Our back and forth is great dialogue. I look forward to your careful response.
I do not claim authority over you, the Bible has that authority and it is by the scriptures that you are found to be false.Again, it is your interpretation of the Bible with which I disagree. I, too, live the authority of the Bible. You cannot judgment by your interpretation. You may judge me by what the authoirty of the scripture which is God's love and grace.

One cannot claim to follow Christ and yet also claim that God is lying about Himself. These are mutually exclusive.
Again, I disagree with your interpretation and claim the God of love and seek to be God's disciple in that love, not your judgment.

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God can be both all loving and all powerful without logical contradiction, and this does not depend on an interpretation of scripture or even a belief in scripture.

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Then tell me why it is not a logical contradiction.
If God is all powerful then why does God choose not to act in a world full of war and pain and suffering and hunger and disease. An all powerful God of physics, chemistry, and biology could act in a instance to bring this world's suffering to an end. Goes not act to end it which makes God an exceptionally cruel God if that god is all powerful.

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First define love.

Waco1947 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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"Here you go again.
1.You claim that your theology is based upon the scripture, yet you deny entire sections of biblically based theology
.My first and foremost Biblical premise is that God is love and it is against that standard that we judge all other scripture. The authority of says unequivocally God is love. If "God is love" then that love is in its fullness and completely the nature of God. All other biblical and theological interpretations are judged against that premise. Is there another premise? Maybe the other premise is God is all powerful which. I address in your next interpretation and your premise and your interpretation that love and power over physics, chemistry, and biology can coexist. They cannot.
2. The Bible says that "God is love"... and you agree with it so it must be true. The Bible also says that "God is all powerful" and you declare it to be false.
See my statement above. if God is love then no other premise can stand. If one says God is all powerful then ALL powerful; yet, we have have free will - the power to decide for ourselves the next moment of our lives. God cannot contravene the power inherent because then God really, really powerful but not ALL powerful because you and I have the power to decide for ourselves.
As a pastor I have performed memorial and burial services for 5 or 6 babies - innocent children. The parents demand from your All powerful God that the innocent child's demise is God's fault and God's love failed them.
These parent's exclaim that "If God is love then God is not a god worthy of worship and relationship if that god fails to save their child.
There a dynamic tension between ALL powerful and love. They cannot exist logically together so I come down on the side of love - God's all encompassing, forgiving love. I cannot logically participates in God's love by love others. In the act of loving others (see the greatest command) God acts with me in this world..
You have placed yourself in authority over scripture, and yet you claim your beliefs come from scripture.
I live under the authority of the Bible not your interpretation and my Bible says unequically that God is love -- no other attribute can supercede the commandment to love and the foundational principle that God is love.
This is text book false theology and false teaching.According to your interpretation. You raise interesting questions. I hope I have answered carefully and responded to what you actual said.
Our back and forth is great dialogue. I look forward to your careful response.
I do not claim authority over you, the Bible has that authority and it is by the scriptures that you are found to be false.Again, it is your interpretation of the Bible with which I disagree. I, too, live the authority of the Bible. You cannot judgment by your interpretation. You may judge me by what the authoirty of the scripture which is God's love and grace.

One cannot claim to follow Christ and yet also claim that God is lying about Himself. These are mutually exclusive.
Again, I disagree with your interpretation and claim the God of love and seek to be God's disciple in that love, not your judgment.

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God can be both all loving and all powerful without logical contradiction, and this does not depend on an interpretation of scripture or even a belief in scripture. Then tell me why it is not a logical contradiction.
If God is all powerful then why does God choose not to act in a world full of war and pain and suffering and hunger and disease. An all powerful God of physics, chemistry, and biology could act in a instance to bring this world's suffering to an end. Goes not act to end it which makes God an exceptionally cruel God if that god is all powerful.

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How could God end all suffering without destroying free will?

And does the Bible ever promise that every single person will have a life free of suffering?

JXL said:

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Waco1947 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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"Here you go again.
1.You claim that your theology is based upon the scripture, yet you deny entire sections of biblically based theology
.My first and foremost Biblical premise is that God is love and it is against that standard that we judge all other scripture. The authority of says unequivocally God is love. If "God is love" then that love is in its fullness and completely the nature of God. All other biblical and theological interpretations are judged against that premise. Is there another premise? Maybe the other premise is God is all powerful which. I address in your next interpretation and your premise and your interpretation that love and power over physics, chemistry, and biology can coexist. They cannot.
2. The Bible says that "God is love"... and you agree with it so it must be true. The Bible also says that "God is all powerful" and you declare it to be false.
See my statement above. if God is love then no other premise can stand. If one says God is all powerful then ALL powerful; yet, we have have free will - the power to decide for ourselves the next moment of our lives. God cannot contravene the power inherent because then God really, really powerful but not ALL powerful because you and I have the power to decide for ourselves.
As a pastor I have performed memorial and burial services for 5 or 6 babies - innocent children. The parents demand from your All powerful God that the innocent child's demise is God's fault and God's love failed them.
These parent's exclaim that "If God is love then God is not a god worthy of worship and relationship if that god fails to save their child.
There a dynamic tension between ALL powerful and love. They cannot exist logically together so I come down on the side of love - God's all encompassing, forgiving love. I cannot logically participates in God's love by love others. In the act of loving others (see the greatest command) God acts with me in this world..
You have placed yourself in authority over scripture, and yet you claim your beliefs come from scripture.
I live under the authority of the Bible not your interpretation and my Bible says unequically that God is love -- no other attribute can supercede the commandment to love and the foundational principle that God is love.
This is text book false theology and false teaching.According to your interpretation. You raise interesting questions. I hope I have answered carefully and responded to what you actual said.
Our back and forth is great dialogue. I look forward to your careful response.
I do not claim authority over you, the Bible has that authority and it is by the scriptures that you are found to be false.Again, it is your interpretation of the Bible with which I disagree. I, too, live the authority of the Bible. You cannot judgment by your interpretation. You may judge me by what the authoirty of the scripture which is God's love and grace.

One cannot claim to follow Christ and yet also claim that God is lying about Himself. These are mutually exclusive.
Again, I disagree with your interpretation and claim the God of love and seek to be God's disciple in that love, not your judgment.

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God can be both all loving and all powerful without logical contradiction, and this does not depend on an interpretation of scripture or even a belief in scripture. Then tell me why it is not a logical contradiction.
If God is all powerful then why does God choose not to act in a world full of war and pain and suffering and hunger and disease. An all powerful God of physics, chemistry, and biology could act in a instance to bring this world's suffering to an end. Goes not act to end it which makes God an exceptionally cruel God if that god is all powerful.

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How could God end all suffering without destroying free will?

And does the Bible ever promise that every single person will have a life free of suffering?

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Of course not. His argument is that it is impossible for unlimited power, unlimited love and any degree of suffering to exist simultaneously, so the Bible must be wrong in its description of God.

D. C. Bear said:

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JXL said:

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Waco1947 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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"Here you go again.
1.You claim that your theology is based upon the scripture, yet you deny entire sections of biblically based theology
.My first and foremost Biblical premise is that God is love and it is against that standard that we judge all other scripture. The authority of says unequivocally God is love. If "God is love" then that love is in its fullness and completely the nature of God. All other biblical and theological interpretations are judged against that premise. Is there another premise? Maybe the other premise is God is all powerful which. I address in your next interpretation and your premise and your interpretation that love and power over physics, chemistry, and biology can coexist. They cannot.
2. The Bible says that "God is love"... and you agree with it so it must be true. The Bible also says that "God is all powerful" and you declare it to be false.
See my statement above. if God is love then no other premise can stand. If one says God is all powerful then ALL powerful; yet, we have have free will - the power to decide for ourselves the next moment of our lives. God cannot contravene the power inherent because then God really, really powerful but not ALL powerful because you and I have the power to decide for ourselves.
As a pastor I have performed memorial and burial services for 5 or 6 babies - innocent children. The parents demand from your All powerful God that the innocent child's demise is God's fault and God's love failed them.
These parent's exclaim that "If God is love then God is not a god worthy of worship and relationship if that god fails to save their child.
There a dynamic tension between ALL powerful and love. They cannot exist logically together so I come down on the side of love - God's all encompassing, forgiving love. I cannot logically participates in God's love by love others. In the act of loving others (see the greatest command) God acts with me in this world..
You have placed yourself in authority over scripture, and yet you claim your beliefs come from scripture.
I live under the authority of the Bible not your interpretation and my Bible says unequically that God is love -- no other attribute can supercede the commandment to love and the foundational principle that God is love.
This is text book false theology and false teaching.According to your interpretation. You raise interesting questions. I hope I have answered carefully and responded to what you actual said.
Our back and forth is great dialogue. I look forward to your careful response.
I do not claim authority over you, the Bible has that authority and it is by the scriptures that you are found to be false.Again, it is your interpretation of the Bible with which I disagree. I, too, live the authority of the Bible. You cannot judgment by your interpretation. You may judge me by what the authoirty of the scripture which is God's love and grace.

One cannot claim to follow Christ and yet also claim that God is lying about Himself. These are mutually exclusive.
Again, I disagree with your interpretation and claim the God of love and seek to be God's disciple in that love, not your judgment.

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God can be both all loving and all powerful without logical contradiction, and this does not depend on an interpretation of scripture or even a belief in scripture. Then tell me why it is not a logical contradiction.
If God is all powerful then why does God choose not to act in a world full of war and pain and suffering and hunger and disease. An all powerful God of physics, chemistry, and biology could act in a instance to bring this world's suffering to an end. Goes not act to end it which makes God an exceptionally cruel God if that god is all powerful.

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How could God end all suffering without destroying free will?

And does the Bible ever promise that every single person will have a life free of suffering?

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Of course not. His argument is that it is impossible for unlimited power, unlimited love and any degree of suffering to exist simultaneously, so the Bible must be wrong in its description of God.

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Anyone who has seriously consider the lessons of Life would reject that claim as myopic and narcissist.

Waco47, let's try a thought experiment:

Suppose a baby is dying and the parents ask God to save him. God does not.

The baby was Adolph Hitler.

Would it have been loving if God did save him?

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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It is interesting to me that the Progressive Left/ Climate Change fanatics believe they have the ability to stop a hurricane if they throw enough money at it. These people actually believe they are God.

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By and large, they actually do believe that when you consider that "climate change" is for all intents and purposes a religion for many of these indoctrinated and duped cultist believers who are otherwise atheists and agnostics. If you fall into the atheist/agnostic category then you virtually have to believe that humankind is the highest form of being and therefore humankind becomes "god" to you. It then becomes a lot easier to assign "god like capabilities" to human beings - such as the ability to actually alter the climate. It's complete fantasy and nonsense of course, but a whole lot easier to believe if you first believe there is no higher power beyond human beings.

Johnny Bear said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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It is interesting to me that the Progressive Left/ Climate Change fanatics believe they have the ability to stop a hurricane if they throw enough money at it. These people actually believe they are God.

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By and large, they actually do believe that when you consider that "climate change" is for all intents and purposes a religion for many of these indoctrinated and duped cultist believers who are otherwise atheists and agnostics. If you fall into the atheist/agnostic category then you virtually have to believe that humankind is the highest form of being and therefore humankind becomes "god" to you. It then becomes a lot easier to assign "god like capabilities" to human beings - such as the ability to actually alter the climate. It's complete fantasy and nonsense of course, but a whole lot easier to believe if you first believe there is no higher power beyond human beings.

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These are red herrings. Make your case for God's over physics

Waco1947 said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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It is interesting to me that the Progressive Left/ Climate Change fanatics believe they have the ability to stop a hurricane if they throw enough money at it. These people actually believe they are God.

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By and large, they actually do believe that when you consider that "climate change" is for all intents and purposes a religion for many of these indoctrinated and duped cultist believers who are otherwise atheists and agnostics. If you fall into the atheist/agnostic category then you virtually have to believe that humankind is the highest form of being and therefore humankind becomes "god" to you. It then becomes a lot easier to assign "god like capabilities" to human beings - such as the ability to actually alter the climate. It's complete fantasy and nonsense of course, but a whole lot easier to believe if you first believe there is no higher power beyond human beings.

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I am a red herring. Making my case for Godless solipsism

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Corrected

Waco1947 said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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It is interesting to me that the Progressive Left/ Climate Change fanatics believe they have the ability to stop a hurricane if they throw enough money at it. These people actually believe they are God.

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By and large, they actually do believe that when you consider that "climate change" is for all intents and purposes a religion for many of these indoctrinated and duped cultist believers who are otherwise atheists and agnostics. If you fall into the atheist/agnostic category then you virtually have to believe that humankind is the highest form of being and therefore humankind becomes "god" to you. It then becomes a lot easier to assign "god like capabilities" to human beings - such as the ability to actually alter the climate. It's complete fantasy and nonsense of course, but a whole lot easier to believe if you first believe there is no higher power beyond human beings.

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These are red herrings. Make your case for God's over physics

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Make your case for your definition of love, whatever that happens to be. You have yet to provide a definition of love.