4th and Inches said:

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Mothra said:

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Waco1947 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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What is a "literalist?" I don't want to answer your question is it was not intended for me.

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A literalist believes the God of the Bible believes that can create or stop a hurricane. Science believes that idea is nonsensical

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Science says the idea of god in general is nonsensical. So why do you purport to believe in that which science says is nonsensical?

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he uses an answer from silence.. God isnt real because science cant prove it. Absence of proof is not proof.

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And yet he claims to believe in God, when the very existence of God is anti-science. What amazes me is the guy is critical of those who believe in gods ability to control nature because science cant prove it when his own belief in god likewise can't be proven by science.

He's blind to the fact that the his own logic destroys his purported belief in god. I've tried to get him to see this massive hole in his logic for years - to no avail. He just doesn't get it.

Mothra said:

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Waco1947 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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What is a "literalist?" I don't want to answer your question is it was not intended for me.

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A literalist believes the God of the Bible believes that can create or stop a hurricane. Science believes that idea is nonsensical

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Science says the idea of god in general is nonsensical. So why do you purport to believe in that which science says is nonsensical?

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Science says no such thing, and can say no such thing and still be science.

Waco is not a Christian.
He is a blasphemous, false teacher.

His purpose is to foster doubt and confusion. To lead people away from faith in God.

Best to have nothing to do with him.

ShooterTX said:

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Waco is not a Christian.
He is a blasphemous, false teacher.

His purpose is to foster doubt and confusion. To lead people away from faith in God.

Best to have nothing to do with him.

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If his purpose is to foster doubt and confusion (probably not his purpose in his mind, but I digress) all the more reason to engage him with clarity and order.

EatMoreSalmon said:

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Yet who would I trust more, '47 or a God who has allowed a fallen world to even exist?

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yes, HE has a great deal of patience and a means to rescue. What an awesome God!

Waco1947 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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God created a Hurricane and can't stop it?

There's your .005

Glad I could help

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You beg the question. Can God create a hurricane? The answer is not "The Bible says so." Science says no.God cannot.

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So is your faith in what science says this week or, in what God has always said?

Waco1947 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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What is a "literalist?" I don't want to answer your question is it was not intended for me.

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A literalist believes the God of the Bible believes that can create or stop a hurricane. Science believes that idea is nonsensical

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every earthly hurricane has always stopped before, even Ian.

Your next topic should be about how you think God's timing sucks.

While I am not a so-called biblical literalist, I believed the answer is yes in both cases.

Waco1947 said:

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JXL said:

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Waco1947 said:

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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Does God have the power to stop a hurricane? Yes.

Did you have any other questions?

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Yes, the second was explain your answer

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The historical record which we have of God says that He can stop a hurricane, as set out in Matthew 8:23-27, Mark 4:35-41, and Luke 8:22-25. Yoo are free to believe it or not, as you choose.

Now, since you say that science says God cannot do so, could you cite a scientific textbook to that effect? Thanks!

JXL said:

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Waco1947 said:

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JXL said:

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Waco1947 said:

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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Does God have the power to stop a hurricane? Yes.

Did you have any other questions?

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Yes, the second was explain your answer

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The historical record which we have of God says that He can stop a hurricane, as set out in Matthew 8:23-27, Mark 4:35-41, and Luke 8:22-25. Yoo are free to believe it or not, as you choose.

Now, since you say that science says God cannot do so, could you cite a scientific textbook to that effect? Thanks!

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D. C. Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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What is a "literalist?" I don't want to answer your question is it was not intended for me.

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A literalist believes the God of the Bible believes that can create or stop a hurricane. Science believes that idea is nonsensical

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You need to raise your game.

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Waco47 can barely raise his toilet seat .

D. C. Bear said:

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Mothra said:

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Waco1947 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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What is a "literalist?" I don't want to answer your question is it was not intended for me.

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A literalist believes the God of the Bible believes that can create or stop a hurricane. Science believes that idea is nonsensical

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Science says the idea of god in general is nonsensical. So why do you purport to believe in that which science says is nonsensical?

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Science says no such thing, and can say no such thing and still be science.

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I am using 47's own reasoning and view of the world. He believes science disproves the existence of the supernatural. By extension, that would disprove the existence of the God he purports to believe in.

In short, there is a reason my post was directed to him and not you.

WACO47 -

What is your definition of God?
What are His attributes?
How did you come about this theology?

JXL said:

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Waco1947 said:

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JXL said:

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Waco1947 said:

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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Does God have the power to stop a hurricane? Yes.

Did you have any other questions?

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Yes, the second was explain your answer

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The historical record which we have of God says that He can stop a hurricane, as set out in Matthew 8:23-27, Mark 4:35-41, and Luke 8:22-25. Yoo are free to believe it or not, as you choose.

Now, since you say that science says God cannot do so, could you cite a scientific textbook to that effect? Thanks!

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some of the greatest thinkers and scientists in history state there is in fact a God and he can do things man can not do..

The internet age of man says God is not real because I cant prove it.

BearN said:

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Only a fool thinks science can explain everything that happens in the universe.

Jesus spoke to the storm and it stopped.

God parted the Red Sea.

and, ahem…

God created the Heavens and the Earth

But OP doesn't believe the Bible, because he is his own god.

Here is more from the Almighty:



Job 38

Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm. He said:

2 "Who is this that obscures my plans
with words without knowledge?
3 Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.
4 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone
7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels shouted for joy?
8 "Who shut up the sea behind doors
when it burst forth from the womb,
9 when I made the clouds its garment
and wrapped it in thick darkness,
10 when I fixed limits for it
and set its doors and bars in place,
11 when I said, 'This far you may come and no farther;
here is where your proud waves halt'?
12 "Have you ever given orders to the morning,
or shown the dawn its place,
13 that it might take the earth by the edges
and shake the wicked out of it?
14 The earth takes shape like clay under a seal;
its features stand out like those of a garment.
15 The wicked are denied their light,
and their upraised arm is broken.
16 "Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea
or walked in the recesses of the deep?
17 Have the gates of death been shown to you?
Have you seen the gates of the deepest darkness?
18 Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth?
Tell me, if you know all this.
19 "What is the way to the abode of light?
And where does darkness reside?
20 Can you take them to their places?
Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
21 Surely you know, for you were already born!
You have lived so many years!
22 "Have you entered the storehouses of the snow
or seen the storehouses of the hail,
23 which I reserve for times of trouble,
for days of war and battle?
24 What is the way to the place where the lightning is dispersed,
or the place where the east winds are scattered over the earth?
25 Who cuts a channel for the torrents of rain,
and a path for the thunderstorm,
26 to water a land where no one lives,
an uninhabited desert,
27 to satisfy a desolate wasteland
and make it sprout with grass?
28 Does the rain have a father?
Who fathers the drops of dew?
29 From whose womb comes the ice?
Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens
30 when the waters become hard as stone,
when the surface of the deep is frozen?
31 "Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades?
Can you loosen Orion's Belt?
32 Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons
or lead out the Bear with its cubs?
33 Do you know the laws of the heavens?
Can you set up God's dominion over the earth?
34 "Can you raise your voice to the clouds
and cover yourself with a flood of water?
35 Do you send the lightning bolts on their way?
Do they report to you, 'Here we are'?
36 Who gives the ibis wisdom
or gives the rooster understanding?
37 Who has the wisdom to count the clouds?
Who can tip over the water jars of the heavens
38 when the dust becomes hard
and the clods of earth stick together?
39 "Do you hunt the prey for the lioness
and satisfy the hunger of the lions
40 when they crouch in their dens
or lie in wait in a thicket?
41 Who provides food for the raven
when its young cry out to God
and wander about for lack of food?

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This does not prove God has the power. It is simply a belief statement not grounded in science. Hurricanes are science pure and simple.
One does not look in a science book for Job and the origins of hurricanes. One goes to the Horn of Africa and looks for scientific evidence.

Waco1947 said:

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BearN said:

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Only a fool thinks science can explain everything that happens in the universe.

Jesus spoke to the storm and it stopped.

God parted the Red Sea.

and, ahem…

God created the Heavens and the Earth

But OP doesn't believe the Bible, because he is his own god.

Here is more from the Almighty:



Job 38

Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm. He said:

2 "Who is this that obscures my plans
with words without knowledge?
3 Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.
4 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone
7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels shouted for joy?
8 "Who shut up the sea behind doors
when it burst forth from the womb,
9 when I made the clouds its garment
and wrapped it in thick darkness,
10 when I fixed limits for it
and set its doors and bars in place,
11 when I said, 'This far you may come and no farther;
here is where your proud waves halt'?
12 "Have you ever given orders to the morning,
or shown the dawn its place,
13 that it might take the earth by the edges
and shake the wicked out of it?
14 The earth takes shape like clay under a seal;
its features stand out like those of a garment.
15 The wicked are denied their light,
and their upraised arm is broken.
16 "Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea
or walked in the recesses of the deep?
17 Have the gates of death been shown to you?
Have you seen the gates of the deepest darkness?
18 Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth?
Tell me, if you know all this.
19 "What is the way to the abode of light?
And where does darkness reside?
20 Can you take them to their places?
Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
21 Surely you know, for you were already born!
You have lived so many years!
22 "Have you entered the storehouses of the snow
or seen the storehouses of the hail,
23 which I reserve for times of trouble,
for days of war and battle?
24 What is the way to the place where the lightning is dispersed,
or the place where the east winds are scattered over the earth?
25 Who cuts a channel for the torrents of rain,
and a path for the thunderstorm,
26 to water a land where no one lives,
an uninhabited desert,
27 to satisfy a desolate wasteland
and make it sprout with grass?
28 Does the rain have a father?
Who fathers the drops of dew?
29 From whose womb comes the ice?
Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens
30 when the waters become hard as stone,
when the surface of the deep is frozen?
31 "Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades?
Can you loosen Orion's Belt?
32 Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons
or lead out the Bear with its cubs?
33 Do you know the laws of the heavens?
Can you set up God's dominion over the earth?
34 "Can you raise your voice to the clouds
and cover yourself with a flood of water?
35 Do you send the lightning bolts on their way?
Do they report to you, 'Here we are'?
36 Who gives the ibis wisdom
or gives the rooster understanding?
37 Who has the wisdom to count the clouds?
Who can tip over the water jars of the heavens
38 when the dust becomes hard
and the clods of earth stick together?
39 "Do you hunt the prey for the lioness
and satisfy the hunger of the lions
40 when they crouch in their dens
or lie in wait in a thicket?
41 Who provides food for the raven
when its young cry out to God
and wander about for lack of food?

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This does not prove God has the power. It is simply a belief statement not grounded in science. Hurricanes are science pure and simple.
One does not look in a science book for Job and the possible origins of hurricanes. One goes to the Horn of Africa and looks for plausible scientific evidence.

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edited and you are correct, one doesnt look in science books to explain Gods power.

Another answer from Silence.. there is no proof God has the power in science so he doesnt.

If science can not measure Gods power then science is not the right source for answering this question.

4th and Inches said:

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Waco1947 said:

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BearN said:

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Only a fool thinks science can explain everything that happens in the universe.

Jesus spoke to the storm and it stopped.

God parted the Red Sea.

and, ahem…

God created the Heavens and the Earth

But OP doesn't believe the Bible, because he is his own god.

Here is more from the Almighty:



Job 38

Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm. He said:

2 "Who is this that obscures my plans
with words without knowledge?
3 Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.
4 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone
7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels shouted for joy?
8 "Who shut up the sea behind doors
when it burst forth from the womb,
9 when I made the clouds its garment
and wrapped it in thick darkness,
10 when I fixed limits for it
and set its doors and bars in place,
11 when I said, 'This far you may come and no farther;
here is where your proud waves halt'?
12 "Have you ever given orders to the morning,
or shown the dawn its place,
13 that it might take the earth by the edges
and shake the wicked out of it?
14 The earth takes shape like clay under a seal;
its features stand out like those of a garment.
15 The wicked are denied their light,
and their upraised arm is broken.
16 "Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea
or walked in the recesses of the deep?
17 Have the gates of death been shown to you?
Have you seen the gates of the deepest darkness?
18 Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth?
Tell me, if you know all this.
19 "What is the way to the abode of light?
And where does darkness reside?
20 Can you take them to their places?
Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
21 Surely you know, for you were already born!
You have lived so many years!
22 "Have you entered the storehouses of the snow
or seen the storehouses of the hail,
23 which I reserve for times of trouble,
for days of war and battle?
24 What is the way to the place where the lightning is dispersed,
or the place where the east winds are scattered over the earth?
25 Who cuts a channel for the torrents of rain,
and a path for the thunderstorm,
26 to water a land where no one lives,
an uninhabited desert,
27 to satisfy a desolate wasteland
and make it sprout with grass?
28 Does the rain have a father?
Who fathers the drops of dew?
29 From whose womb comes the ice?
Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens
30 when the waters become hard as stone,
when the surface of the deep is frozen?
31 "Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades?
Can you loosen Orion's Belt?
32 Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons
or lead out the Bear with its cubs?
33 Do you know the laws of the heavens?
Can you set up God's dominion over the earth?
34 "Can you raise your voice to the clouds
and cover yourself with a flood of water?
35 Do you send the lightning bolts on their way?
Do they report to you, 'Here we are'?
36 Who gives the ibis wisdom
or gives the rooster understanding?
37 Who has the wisdom to count the clouds?
Who can tip over the water jars of the heavens
38 when the dust becomes hard
and the clods of earth stick together?
39 "Do you hunt the prey for the lioness
and satisfy the hunger of the lions
40 when they crouch in their dens
or lie in wait in a thicket?
41 Who provides food for the raven
when its young cry out to God
and wander about for lack of food?

---

This does not prove God has the power. It is simply a belief statement not grounded in science. Hurricanes are science pure and simple.
One does not look in a science book for Job and the possible origins of hurricanes. One goes to the Horn of Africa and looks for plausible scientific evidence.

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edited and you are correct, one doesn't look in science books to explain Gods power.

Another answer from Silence.. there is no proof God has the power in science so he doesn't Science makes no attempt to prove God because God is spiritual and not scientific.

If science can not measure Gods power then science is not the right source for answering this question.

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"Measure God's power" is not the task of science.

Waco1947 said:

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BearN said:

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Only a fool thinks science can explain everything that happens in the universe.

Jesus spoke to the storm and it stopped.

God parted the Red Sea.

and, ahem…

God created the Heavens and the Earth

But OP doesn't believe the Bible, because he is his own god.

Here is more from the Almighty:



Job 38

Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm. He said:

2 "Who is this that obscures my plans
with words without knowledge?
3 Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.
4 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone
7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels shouted for joy?
8 "Who shut up the sea behind doors
when it burst forth from the womb,
9 when I made the clouds its garment
and wrapped it in thick darkness,
10 when I fixed limits for it
and set its doors and bars in place,
11 when I said, 'This far you may come and no farther;
here is where your proud waves halt'?
12 "Have you ever given orders to the morning,
or shown the dawn its place,
13 that it might take the earth by the edges
and shake the wicked out of it?
14 The earth takes shape like clay under a seal;
its features stand out like those of a garment.
15 The wicked are denied their light,
and their upraised arm is broken.
16 "Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea
or walked in the recesses of the deep?
17 Have the gates of death been shown to you?
Have you seen the gates of the deepest darkness?
18 Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth?
Tell me, if you know all this.
19 "What is the way to the abode of light?
And where does darkness reside?
20 Can you take them to their places?
Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
21 Surely you know, for you were already born!
You have lived so many years!
22 "Have you entered the storehouses of the snow
or seen the storehouses of the hail,
23 which I reserve for times of trouble,
for days of war and battle?
24 What is the way to the place where the lightning is dispersed,
or the place where the east winds are scattered over the earth?
25 Who cuts a channel for the torrents of rain,
and a path for the thunderstorm,
26 to water a land where no one lives,
an uninhabited desert,
27 to satisfy a desolate wasteland
and make it sprout with grass?
28 Does the rain have a father?
Who fathers the drops of dew?
29 From whose womb comes the ice?
Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens
30 when the waters become hard as stone,
when the surface of the deep is frozen?
31 "Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades?
Can you loosen Orion's Belt?
32 Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons
or lead out the Bear with its cubs?
33 Do you know the laws of the heavens?
Can you set up God's dominion over the earth?
34 "Can you raise your voice to the clouds
and cover yourself with a flood of water?
35 Do you send the lightning bolts on their way?
Do they report to you, 'Here we are'?
36 Who gives the ibis wisdom
or gives the rooster understanding?
37 Who has the wisdom to count the clouds?
Who can tip over the water jars of the heavens
38 when the dust becomes hard
and the clods of earth stick together?
39 "Do you hunt the prey for the lioness
and satisfy the hunger of the lions
40 when they crouch in their dens
or lie in wait in a thicket?
41 Who provides food for the raven
when its young cry out to God
and wander about for lack of food?

---

This does not prove God has the power. It is simply a belief statement not grounded in science. Hurricanes are science pure and simple.
One does not look in a science book for Job and the origins of hurricanes. One goes to the Horn of Africa and looks for scientific evidence.

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If God has no power, then what makes him God?

Mothra said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Mothra said:

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Waco1947 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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What is a "literalist?" I don't want to answer your question is it was not intended for me.

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A literalist believes the God of the Bible believes that can create or stop a hurricane. Science believes that idea is nonsensical

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Science says the idea of god in general is nonsensical. So why do you purport to believe in that which science says is nonsensical?

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Science says no such thing, and can say no such thing and still be science.

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I am using 47's own reasoning and view of the world. He believes science disproves the existence of the supernatural. By extension, that would disprove the existence of the God he purports to believe in.

In short, there is a reason my post was directed to him and not you.

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I believe God is spiritual as in love, prayer, communion, fellowship of disciples who share common life together and seek to be faithful. The supernatural is hocus pocus but God is real in the spiritual world as we follow Jesus.

Waco1947 said:

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Mothra said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Mothra said:

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Waco1947 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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What is a "literalist?" I don't want to answer your question is it was not intended for me.

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A literalist believes the God of the Bible believes that can create or stop a hurricane. Science believes that idea is nonsensical

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Science says the idea of god in general is nonsensical. So why do you purport to believe in that which science says is nonsensical?

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Science says no such thing, and can say no such thing and still be science.

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I am using 47's own reasoning and view of the world. He believes science disproves the existence of the supernatural. By extension, that would disprove the existence of the God he purports to believe in.

In short, there is a reason my post was directed to him and not you.

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I believe God is spiritual as in love, prayer, communion, fellowship of disciples who share common life together and seek to be faithful. The supernatural is hocus pocus but God is real in the spiritual world as we follow Jesus.

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But "spirituality" is an impossibility, according to your logic, unless of course by spirituality you merely mean one's emotions instead of the spirituality described in scripture. Spirituality, as described by Jesus and his apostles, requires belief in a actual spirit or soul - a supernatural being or presence that exists in each of us. That is the spirt described in scripture.

If, on the other hand, you are referring to the seat of one's emotions when you use the word "spirituality," well you're merely taking about feeling and emotions, not spirituality as described in scripture. You are talking about Jesus as an idea or belief we should strive to emulate, not an actual being that is alive today (outside of our minds, anyway).

And let's be honest - that it the Jesus you believe in - an idea we should strive to emulate, not an actual person as described in scripture who existed, and continues to exist, in the spirit world. For you, Jesus is merely a belief, and you can claim he is "alive" as long as the idea of Jesus is alive, but you don't actually subscribe to what scripture actually says about him - that he lived, died for our sins, rose again, performed miracles, and physically exists in spirit form today.

I am sure you will take great issue with what I am saying, because you use enough Christian code words to try and make others - and perhaps even yourself - believe you are actually "Christian" in your views. You attempt to use enough of Christian vernacular to keep others guessing, but let's be honest - the only way a "God" exists is if the supernatural exists. God is not merely an idea or thought, as you would make him. Scripture is clear he is not only alive as an idea in our minds, but an actual physical presence. That you don't believe.

Waco1947 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Waco1947 said:

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BearN said:

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Only a fool thinks science can explain everything that happens in the universe.

Jesus spoke to the storm and it stopped.

God parted the Red Sea.

and, ahem…

God created the Heavens and the Earth

But OP doesn't believe the Bible, because he is his own god.

Here is more from the Almighty:



Job 38

Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm. He said:

2 "Who is this that obscures my plans
with words without knowledge?
3 Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.
4 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone
7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels shouted for joy?
8 "Who shut up the sea behind doors
when it burst forth from the womb,
9 when I made the clouds its garment
and wrapped it in thick darkness,
10 when I fixed limits for it
and set its doors and bars in place,
11 when I said, 'This far you may come and no farther;
here is where your proud waves halt'?
12 "Have you ever given orders to the morning,
or shown the dawn its place,
13 that it might take the earth by the edges
and shake the wicked out of it?
14 The earth takes shape like clay under a seal;
its features stand out like those of a garment.
15 The wicked are denied their light,
and their upraised arm is broken.
16 "Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea
or walked in the recesses of the deep?
17 Have the gates of death been shown to you?
Have you seen the gates of the deepest darkness?
18 Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth?
Tell me, if you know all this.
19 "What is the way to the abode of light?
And where does darkness reside?
20 Can you take them to their places?
Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
21 Surely you know, for you were already born!
You have lived so many years!
22 "Have you entered the storehouses of the snow
or seen the storehouses of the hail,
23 which I reserve for times of trouble,
for days of war and battle?
24 What is the way to the place where the lightning is dispersed,
or the place where the east winds are scattered over the earth?
25 Who cuts a channel for the torrents of rain,
and a path for the thunderstorm,
26 to water a land where no one lives,
an uninhabited desert,
27 to satisfy a desolate wasteland
and make it sprout with grass?
28 Does the rain have a father?
Who fathers the drops of dew?
29 From whose womb comes the ice?
Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens
30 when the waters become hard as stone,
when the surface of the deep is frozen?
31 "Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades?
Can you loosen Orion's Belt?
32 Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons
or lead out the Bear with its cubs?
33 Do you know the laws of the heavens?
Can you set up God's dominion over the earth?
34 "Can you raise your voice to the clouds
and cover yourself with a flood of water?
35 Do you send the lightning bolts on their way?
Do they report to you, 'Here we are'?
36 Who gives the ibis wisdom
or gives the rooster understanding?
37 Who has the wisdom to count the clouds?
Who can tip over the water jars of the heavens
38 when the dust becomes hard
and the clods of earth stick together?
39 "Do you hunt the prey for the lioness
and satisfy the hunger of the lions
40 when they crouch in their dens
or lie in wait in a thicket?
41 Who provides food for the raven
when its young cry out to God
and wander about for lack of food?

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This does not prove God has the power. It is simply a belief statement not grounded in science. Hurricanes are science pure and simple.
One does not look in a science book for Job and the possible origins of hurricanes. One goes to the Horn of Africa and looks for plausible scientific evidence.

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edited and you are correct, one doesn't look in science books to explain Gods power.

Another answer from Silence.. there is no proof God has the power in science so he doesn't Science makes no attempt to prove God because God is spiritual and not scientific.

If science can not measure Gods power then science is not the right source for answering this question.

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"Measure God's power" is not the task of science.

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I know, I wasn't sure if you did..

God is supernatural and science is natural.

Supernatural is relating to existence outside the natural world.

Supernatural is attributed to a power that seems to violate or go beyond natural forces.

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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What is a "literalist?" I don't want to answer your question is it was not intended for me.

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A literalist believes the God of the Bible believes that can create or stop a hurricane. Science believes that idea is nonsensical

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Science says the idea of god in general is nonsensical. So why do you purport to believe in that which science says is nonsensical?

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Science says no such thing, and can say no such thing and still be science.

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I am using 47's own reasoning and view of the world. He believes science disproves the existence of the supernatural. By extension, that would disprove the existence of the God he purports to believe in.

In short, there is a reason my post was directed to him and not you.

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I believe God is spiritual as in love, prayer, communion, fellowship of disciples who share common life together and seek to be faithful. The supernatural is hocus pocus but God is real in the spiritual world as we follow Jesus.

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So God does not really exist as an entity, that is simply a term we use to describe the collective feelings of persons who get together to worship the entity which does not exist, is that right?

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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What is a "literalist?" I don't want to answer your question is it was not intended for me.

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A literalist believes the God of the Bible believes that can create or stop a hurricane. Science believes that idea is nonsensical

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Science says the idea of god in general is nonsensical. So why do you purport to believe in that which science says is nonsensical?

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Science says no such thing, and can say no such thing and still be science.

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I am using 47's own reasoning and view of the world. He believes science disproves the existence of the supernatural. By extension, that would disprove the existence of the God he purports to believe in.

In short, there is a reason my post was directed to him and not you.

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I believe God is spiritual as in love, prayer, communion, fellowship of disciples who share common life together and seek to be faithful. The supernatural is hocus pocus but God is real in the spiritual world as we follow Jesus.

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So God does not really exist as an entity, that is simply a term we use to describe the collective feelings of persons who get together to worship the entity which does not exist, is that right?

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Think you pretty much nailed it.

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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What is a "literalist?" I don't want to answer your question is it was not intended for me.

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A literalist believes the God of the Bible believes that can create or stop a hurricane. Science believes that idea is nonsensical

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Science says the idea of god in general is nonsensical. So why do you purport to believe in that which science says is nonsensical?

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Science says no such thing, and can say no such thing and still be science.

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I am using 47's own reasoning and view of the world. He believes science disproves the existence of the supernatural. By extension, that would disprove the existence of the God he purports to believe in.

In short, there is a reason my post was directed to him and not you.

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I believe God is spiritual as in love, prayer, communion, fellowship of disciples who share common life together and seek to be faithful. The supernatural is hocus pocus but God is real in the spiritual world as we follow Jesus.

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Logically, what you have here is a collection of self contradictory word salad. "Spiritual," by definition, is supernatural, so if "the supernatural" isn't real then "spiritual" and "God" aren't real either. You can't have it both ways.

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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What is a "literalist?" I don't want to answer your question is it was not intended for me.

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A literalist believes the God of the Bible believes that can create or stop a hurricane. Science believes that idea is nonsensical

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Science says the idea of god in general is nonsensical. So why do you purport to believe in that which science says is nonsensical?

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Science says no such thing, and can say no such thing and still be science.

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I am using 47's own reasoning and view of the world. He believes science disproves the existence of the supernatural. By extension, that would disprove the existence of the God he purports to believe in.

In short, there is a reason my post was directed to him and not you.

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I believe God is spiritual as in love, prayer, communion, fellowship of disciples who share common life together and seek to be faithful. The supernatural is hocus pocus but God is real in the spiritual world as we follow Jesus.

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Where is your proof?

I'll make it easy for you. There is no proof so, where is your evidence?

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WACO47 -

What is your definition of God?
What are His attributes?
How did you come about this theology?

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On Behalf of 47:

A being that doesn't exist but if did, would support murdering babies, mutilating children and communism.

Her…if she existed.

Weed. Lots and lots of weed.

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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What is a "literalist?" I don't want to answer your question is it was not intended for me.

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A literalist believes the God of the Bible believes that can create or stop a hurricane. Science believes that idea is nonsensical

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Science says the idea of god in general is nonsensical. So why do you purport to believe in that which science says is nonsensical?

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Science says no such thing, and can say no such thing and still be science.

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I am using 47's own reasoning and view of the world. He believes science disproves the existence of the supernatural. By extension, that would disprove the existence of the God he purports to believe in.

In short, there is a reason my post was directed to him and not you.

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I believe God is spiritual as in love, prayer, communion, fellowship of disciples who share common life together and seek to be faithful. The supernatural is hocus pocus but God is real in the spiritual world as we follow Jesus.

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I can always count on you to post silliness. Are you sure you're not an Episcopalian? I say that as one confirmed in the Episcopal Church for 25 years now. I've heard plenty of what we call "Episcobabble" in that time. You would fit right in.

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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What is a "literalist?" I don't want to answer your question is it was not intended for me.

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A literalist believes the God of the Bible believes that can create or stop a hurricane. Science believes that idea is nonsensical

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Science says the idea of god in general is nonsensical. So why do you purport to believe in that which science says is nonsensical?

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Science says no such thing, and can say no such thing and still be science.

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I am using 47's own reasoning and view of the world. He believes science disproves the existence of the supernatural. By extension, that would disprove the existence of the God he purports to believe in.

In short, there is a reason my post was directed to him and not you.

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I believe God is spiritual as in love, prayer, communion, fellowship of disciples who share common life together and seek to be faithful. The supernatural is hocus pocus but God is real in the spiritual world as we follow Jesus.

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I can always count on you to post silliness. Are you sure you're not an Episcopalian? I say that as one confirmed in the Episcopal Church for 25 years now. I've heard plenty of what we call "Episcobabble" in that time. You would fit right in.

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It's like the Kamala Harris of religions…

"The spiritual, that is spirit and not not spirit, or to say physical, is the quintessence of a collective spirituality that forms, much like Voltron, into a supernatural spirit through which our spiritual arms, legs, and lion body commune with the spiritual world, which is to say unseen and ultimately unreal. " - Probably Waco47

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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What is a "literalist?" I don't want to answer your question is it was not intended for me.

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A literalist believes the God of the Bible believes that can create or stop a hurricane. Science believes that idea is nonsensical

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Science says the idea of god in general is nonsensical. So why do you purport to believe in that which science says is nonsensical?

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Science says no such thing, and can say no such thing and still be science.

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I am using 47's own reasoning and view of the world. He believes science disproves the existence of the supernatural. By extension, that would disprove the existence of the God he purports to believe in.

In short, there is a reason my post was directed to him and not you.

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I believe God is spiritual as in love, prayer, communion, fellowship of disciples who share common life together and seek to be faithful. The supernatural is hocus pocus but God is real in the spiritual world as we follow Jesus.

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I can always count on you to post silliness. Are you sure you're not an Episcopalian? I say that as one confirmed in the Episcopal Church for 25 years now. I've heard plenty of what we call "Episcobabble" in that time. You would fit right in.

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It's like the Kamala Harris of religions…

"The spiritual, that is spirit and not not spirit, or to say physical, is the quintessence of a collective spirituality that forms, much like Voltron, into a supernatural spirit through which our spiritual arms, legs, and lion body commune with the spiritual world, which is to say unseen and ultimately unreal. " - Probably Waco47

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Perfect

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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What is a "literalist?" I don't want to answer your question is it was not intended for me.

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A literalist believes the God of the Bible believes that can create or stop a hurricane. Science believes that idea is nonsensical

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Science says the idea of god in general is nonsensical. So why do you purport to believe in that which science says is nonsensical?

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Science says no such thing, and can say no such thing and still be science.

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I am using 47's own reasoning and view of the world. He believes science disproves the existence of the supernatural. By extension, that would disprove the existence of the God he purports to believe in.

In short, there is a reason my post was directed to him and not you.

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I believe God is spiritual as in love, prayer, communion, fellowship of disciples who share common life together and seek to be faithful. The supernatural is hocus pocus but God is real in the spiritual world as we follow Jesus.

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You are so big on proof and evidence, so where is your proof and evidence for the bolded statement above?

Only an idiot tries to use rules that are based upon the created world, to prove or disprove the one who created it all.

The other day, my kids and I made a pizza. Can you use that pizza to prove or disprove my existence? Or maybe use the laws of cooking to prove or disprove my existence? This is how futile and stupid it is to try and explain the Creator of the universe, by using the "laws of nature" or natural science.

God is above and beyond the natural world. You cannot use the restraints of the natural world to prove or disprove God.

Another example: Use the laws of science to prove or disprove the existence of love. Good luck with that.

I thought 47 was a preacher???

So he does not believe god created everything?

What kind of preacher is he?

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I thought 47 was a preacher???

So he does not believe god created everything?

What kind of preacher is he?

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He is a good hearted individual that is now misguided due to a very tragic incident that happened during his ministry. It is his story to share, so I won't.

Sadly, this incident has misshaped his beliefs to a version of the false Process theology.

I pray for him every night.

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I thought 47 was a preacher???

So he does not believe god created everything?

What kind of preacher is he?

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He is a good hearted individual that is now misguided due to a very tragic incident that happened during his ministry. It is his story to share, so I won't.

Sadly, this incident has misshaped his beliefs to a version of the false Process theology.

I pray for him every night.

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So he is a former preacher? Like he had something tragic happened that turned him into a non believer?

I don't need details just I don't follow how he is a preacher but doesn't believe God created everything.

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I thought 47 was a preacher???

So he does not believe god created everything?

What kind of preacher is he?

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He is a good hearted individual that is now misguided due to a very tragic incident that happened during his ministry. It is his story to share, so I won't.

Sadly, this incident has misshaped his beliefs to a version of the false Process theology.

I pray for him every night.

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Thank you Coke Bear. I hope he finds his way home.