Former Georgia Bulldogs Tennis Player, Lilly Kimbell, Dies at 31, Sudden Cardiac Arrest 💔 pic.twitter.com/joReiziKsg

— TexasLindsay™ (@TexasLindsay_) February 8, 2023

whiterock said:

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Ghostrider said:

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Osodecentx said:

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No Surge in Athlete Deaths, Contrary to Widespread Anti-Vaccine Claims
Posted on January 13, 2023
Sports medicine experts say there has been no increase in sudden death or cardiac injury among U.S. athletes since the COVID-19 vaccines became available. Yet anti-vaccine campaigners, comparing unreliable numbers to an unrelated study, have again spread a false narrative about vaccine safety since NFL player Damar Hamlin suffered cardiac arrest.


How do we know vaccines are safe? For more than a year, anti-vaccine campaigners have been spreading the unfounded claim that athletes are in the grip of a health crisis suggesting that COVID-19 vaccines have caused a surge in sudden deaths and injuries.

This baseless theory, which had been simmering in niche channels online, flooded social media after Buffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin, 24, collapsed during a game on Jan. 2 in front of millions of TV viewers. He has since been discharged from the hospital to recover at home. As we've explained, it's not yet known why his heart stopped, but experts say Hamlin's cardiac arrest was likely caused by an arrhythmia following a blow to his chest, called commotio cordis.

But prominent anti-vaccine influencers quickly posted claims on social media suggesting that the incident was somehow related to vaccination and part of a sinister trend.
For example, Ben Swann, who has spread misinformation about the pandemic since 2020, posted on Facebook on Jan. 3 an old video promoting the unsupported theory that there's a recent surge in athlete deaths. The same day, conservative commentator Liz Wheeler and Dr. Simone Gold who has peddled dubious cures for COVID-19, anti-vaccination messagesand politicized medical misinformation posted similar claims.
Gold wrote, in part, "I want to remind the public that athletes being incapacitated or dropping dead was not a 'thing' prior to 2020. We are now seeing this happen very frequently, and it's extremely concerning."
Both Wheeler and Gold cited a letter to the editor published in the Scandinavian Journal of Immunology that was co-authored by Dr. Peter McCullough, another prominent purveyor of COVID-19 misinformation. Although its publication may give the letter a veneer of legitimacy, the letter did not include any original research, as suggested by Fox News commentator Tucker Carlson. Rather, it relied upon an arbitrary list of athlete deaths maintained on an anonymous website that we wrote about shortly after it appeared online in late 2021.
As we explained before, the list includes students, professionals, amateurs, coaches and retirees. It includes people who died by suicide, car crash and drug overdose. The list does not in nearly all cases include the vaccination status of the deceased, let alone prove any causal relationship between vaccines and the deaths. In fact, as we've previously reported, some of the deaths initially listed happened before the vaccines had even become available to the age category for the person listed.
Wheeler and Gold, though, each shared an image that highlighted a portion of the letter comparing the number of deaths listed on the anonymous website with the number of sudden cardiac deaths among athletes that had appeared in academic literature over a 38-year period as compiled in a 2006 paper. The two figures reflect different criteria. One number is very broad and includes anyone with a passing relationship to sports who died for any reason since 2021, while the other is conspicuously narrow and includes only the deaths of athletes that were analyzed in English-language academic research papers.
Although the comparison they make is meaningless, Wheeler and Gold leave the false impression that there's been a surge in deaths and further the baseless narrative that there's been an increase in athlete injuries and deaths since the COVID-19 vaccines became available.
But the surge is fiction. It doesn't exist.
https://www.factcheck.org/2023/01/scicheck-no-surge-in-athlete-deaths-contrary-to-widespread-anti-vaccine-claims/

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There definitely is a surge in heart compilations and heart attacks. What we don't know is if it because of covid or the vaccine. We know covid damages the organs and heart. It would be nice if there was an unbiased group that could study this, but no one trusts anyone anymore.

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We've seen video after video of professional athletes in top form collapsing in uniform. Are we really to believe that it's been happening at the same rate for the last fifty years but just didn't make the news until now?

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Yes. Believe what the democrats tell you to believe. Duh.

Ghostrider said:

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whiterock said:

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Ghostrider said:

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Osodecentx said:

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No Surge in Athlete Deaths, Contrary to Widespread Anti-Vaccine Claims
Posted on January 13, 2023
Sports medicine experts say there has been no increase in sudden death or cardiac injury among U.S. athletes since the COVID-19 vaccines became available. Yet anti-vaccine campaigners, comparing unreliable numbers to an unrelated study, have again spread a false narrative about vaccine safety since NFL player Damar Hamlin suffered cardiac arrest.


How do we know vaccines are safe? For more than a year, anti-vaccine campaigners have been spreading the unfounded claim that athletes are in the grip of a health crisis suggesting that COVID-19 vaccines have caused a surge in sudden deaths and injuries.

This baseless theory, which had been simmering in niche channels online, flooded social media after Buffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin, 24, collapsed during a game on Jan. 2 in front of millions of TV viewers. He has since been discharged from the hospital to recover at home. As we've explained, it's not yet known why his heart stopped, but experts say Hamlin's cardiac arrest was likely caused by an arrhythmia following a blow to his chest, called commotio cordis.

But prominent anti-vaccine influencers quickly posted claims on social media suggesting that the incident was somehow related to vaccination and part of a sinister trend.
For example, Ben Swann, who has spread misinformation about the pandemic since 2020, posted on Facebook on Jan. 3 an old video promoting the unsupported theory that there's a recent surge in athlete deaths. The same day, conservative commentator Liz Wheeler and Dr. Simone Gold who has peddled dubious cures for COVID-19, anti-vaccination messagesand politicized medical misinformation posted similar claims.
Gold wrote, in part, "I want to remind the public that athletes being incapacitated or dropping dead was not a 'thing' prior to 2020. We are now seeing this happen very frequently, and it's extremely concerning."
Both Wheeler and Gold cited a letter to the editor published in the Scandinavian Journal of Immunology that was co-authored by Dr. Peter McCullough, another prominent purveyor of COVID-19 misinformation. Although its publication may give the letter a veneer of legitimacy, the letter did not include any original research, as suggested by Fox News commentator Tucker Carlson. Rather, it relied upon an arbitrary list of athlete deaths maintained on an anonymous website that we wrote about shortly after it appeared online in late 2021.
As we explained before, the list includes students, professionals, amateurs, coaches and retirees. It includes people who died by suicide, car crash and drug overdose. The list does not in nearly all cases include the vaccination status of the deceased, let alone prove any causal relationship between vaccines and the deaths. In fact, as we've previously reported, some of the deaths initially listed happened before the vaccines had even become available to the age category for the person listed.
Wheeler and Gold, though, each shared an image that highlighted a portion of the letter comparing the number of deaths listed on the anonymous website with the number of sudden cardiac deaths among athletes that had appeared in academic literature over a 38-year period as compiled in a 2006 paper. The two figures reflect different criteria. One number is very broad and includes anyone with a passing relationship to sports who died for any reason since 2021, while the other is conspicuously narrow and includes only the deaths of athletes that were analyzed in English-language academic research papers.
Although the comparison they make is meaningless, Wheeler and Gold leave the false impression that there's been a surge in deaths and further the baseless narrative that there's been an increase in athlete injuries and deaths since the COVID-19 vaccines became available.
But the surge is fiction. It doesn't exist.
https://www.factcheck.org/2023/01/scicheck-no-surge-in-athlete-deaths-contrary-to-widespread-anti-vaccine-claims/

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There definitely is a surge in heart compilations and heart attacks. What we don't know is if it because of covid or the vaccine. We know covid damages the organs and heart. It would be nice if there was an unbiased group that could study this, but no one trusts anyone anymore.

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We've seen video after video of professional athletes in top form collapsing in uniform. Are we really to believe that it's been happening at the same rate for the last fifty years but just didn't make the news until now?

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Video after video? Can you name me more than 1 professional NBA, NFL or MLB players? Did Hank Gathers also get the covid vaccine? Michel Johnson had a stroke like 10 years ago. Covid vaccine? Jared Butler? Nope, that was pre-covid. Jose Lima? Pete Maravich? Reggie Lewis? Darryl Kile? List goes on and on of athletes that have had heart problems pre covid.

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Pete Maravich? Who died after retirement of a congenital heart problem?

You stretch your time frame back 30+ years to total what we now see in a fortnight? (and that's before we get to apples & oranges on issues and ages).
How could you possibly think you scored a debating point with selection bias like that?

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Former Georgia Bulldogs Tennis Player, Lilly Kimbell, Dies at 31, Sudden Cardiac Arrest 💔 pic.twitter.com/joReiziKsg

— TexasLindsay™ (@TexasLindsay_) February 8, 2023

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Sad....only 31. She has had a lot of medical issues, including kidney problems.

"Her family asserts that it was a heart issue triggered by a kidney condition. Trust the family. The residual effects of covid or performance enhancers would've been more likely causes if we didn't already know the cause, as detailed by the family."

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/belgian-goalkeeper-dies-after-reportedly-collapsing-on-field-following-penalty-save-151153685.html

Belgian goalkeeper drops dead on the field at 25. An autopsy will be performed.

My gosh, I wonder what it could be?

Damar Hamlin (subject of much virtue signaling last month) won't say what the doctors told him about his heart stopping: https://rumble.com/v29jum0-damar-hamlin-says-he-doesnt-want-to-talk-about-what-stopped-his-heart.html

Former Cardinals legend Conrad Dobler, widely dubbed NFL's dirtiest player, dies.

My gosh, I wonder what it could be

Osodecentx said:

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Former Cardinals legend Conrad Dobler, widely dubbed NFL's dirtiest player, dies.

My gosh, I wonder what it could be

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Conrad was 72. Belgian goalie was 25.

You sure seem defensive when it comes to the subject of young people unexpectedly dropping dead.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/dave-hollis-former-disney-exec-175350069.html

Former Disney exec dead at 47. He was "youthful and didn't have a long medical history."

Autopsy pending. I wonder what it could be?

I don't know what caused these deaths or if there is in fact a spike in deaths - but there definitely seems to be a spike.

I do know I am always nervous when people avoid and don't want to ask questions.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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I don't know what caused these deaths or if there is in fact a spike in deaths - but there definitely seems to be a spike.

I do know I am always nervous when people avoid and don't want to ask questions.

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I agree about people failing to ask appropriate questions.

I see people trying to create a trend out of two data points and attribute causation based on what they'd like it to be. That's not science, that's scare-mongering politics that is based either on gross incompetence or intentional deception. When I see people doing basic statistics badly, I stop taking what they say seriously because they are either too incompetent to listen to or that are lying to me on purpose.

D. C. Bear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I don't know what caused these deaths or if there is in fact a spike in deaths - but there definitely seems to be a spike.

I do know I am always nervous when people avoid and don't want to ask questions.

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I agree about people failing to ask appropriate questions.

I see people trying to create a trend out of two data points and attribute causation based on what they'd like it to be. That's not science, that's scare-mongering politics that is based either on gross incompetence or intentional deception. When I see people doing basic statistics badly, I stop taking what they say seriously because they are either too incompetent to listen to or that are lying to me on purpose.

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I think there are more than two data points - there seem to be a good bit of young, healthy people dropping dead of heart-related issues famous enough to make news, so who knows how many don't make the news. This seemed to start post-2020 ... not arguing causality but seems unusual. Maybe there were more in 2019 and 2020 and just not reported.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I don't know what caused these deaths or if there is in fact a spike in deaths - but there definitely seems to be a spike.

I do know I am always nervous when people avoid and don't want to ask questions.

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I agree about people failing to ask appropriate questions.

I see people trying to create a trend out of two data points and attribute causation based on what they'd like it to be. That's not science, that's scare-mongering politics that is based either on gross incompetence or intentional deception. When I see people doing basic statistics badly, I stop taking what they say seriously because they are either too incompetent to listen to or that are lying to me on purpose.

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I think there are more than two data points - there seem to be a good bit of young, healthy people dropping dead of heart-related issues famous enough to make news, so who knows how many don't make the news. This seemed to start post-2020 ... not arguing causality but seems unusual. Maybe there were more in 2019 and 2020 and just not reported.

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If it isn't new, it isn't news. It's a story now because of the anti-vax angle.

Sam Lowry said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I don't know what caused these deaths or if there is in fact a spike in deaths - but there definitely seems to be a spike.

I do know I am always nervous when people avoid and don't want to ask questions.

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I agree about people failing to ask appropriate questions.

I see people trying to create a trend out of two data points and attribute causation based on what they'd like it to be. That's not science, that's scare-mongering politics that is based either on gross incompetence or intentional deception. When I see people doing basic statistics badly, I stop taking what they say seriously because they are either too incompetent to listen to or that are lying to me on purpose.

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I think there are more than two data points - there seem to be a good bit of young, healthy people dropping dead of heart-related issues famous enough to make news, so who knows how many don't make the news. This seemed to start post-2020 ... not arguing causality but seems unusual. Maybe there were more in 2019 and 2020 and just not reported.

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If it isn't new, it isn't news. It's a story now because of the anti-vax angle.

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Anti-vax? Ummm no. Anyone that feels like the Covid vaccine will protect them should get one. Not real sure how this has become so political. It should be about the public safety. Period!

Deaths of young people dying of heart issues seem to be the new normal. EVERYBODY should want to know the reasons why.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I don't know what caused these deaths or if there is in fact a spike in deaths - but there definitely seems to be a spike.

I do know I am always nervous when people avoid and don't want to ask questions.

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I agree about people failing to ask appropriate questions.

I see people trying to create a trend out of two data points and attribute causation based on what they'd like it to be. That's not science, that's scare-mongering politics that is based either on gross incompetence or intentional deception. When I see people doing basic statistics badly, I stop taking what they say seriously because they are either too incompetent to listen to or that are lying to me on purpose.

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I think there are more than two data points - there seem to be a good bit of young, healthy people dropping dead of heart-related issues famous enough to make news, so who knows how many don't make the news. This seemed to start post-2020 ... not arguing causality but seems unusual. Maybe there were more in 2019 and 2020 and just not reported.

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If it isn't new, it isn't news. It's a story now because of the anti-vax angle.

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Anti-vax? Ummm no. Anyone that feels like the Covid vaccine will protect them should get one. Not real sure how this has become so political. It should be about the public safety. Period!

Deaths of young people dying of heart issues seem to be the new normal. EVERYBODY should want to know the reasons why.

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The Covid angle, then. Call it whatever you want.

Sam Lowry said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I don't know what caused these deaths or if there is in fact a spike in deaths - but there definitely seems to be a spike.

I do know I am always nervous when people avoid and don't want to ask questions.

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I agree about people failing to ask appropriate questions.

I see people trying to create a trend out of two data points and attribute causation based on what they'd like it to be. That's not science, that's scare-mongering politics that is based either on gross incompetence or intentional deception. When I see people doing basic statistics badly, I stop taking what they say seriously because they are either too incompetent to listen to or that are lying to me on purpose.

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I think there are more than two data points - there seem to be a good bit of young, healthy people dropping dead of heart-related issues famous enough to make news, so who knows how many don't make the news. This seemed to start post-2020 ... not arguing causality but seems unusual. Maybe there were more in 2019 and 2020 and just not reported.

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If it isn't new, it isn't news. It's a story now because of the anti-vax angle.

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Anti-vax? Ummm no. Anyone that feels like the Covid vaccine will protect them should get one. Not real sure how this has become so political. It should be about the public safety. Period!

Deaths of young people dying of heart issues seem to be the new normal. EVERYBODY should want to know the reasons why.

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The Covid angle, then. Call it whatever you want.

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Most here are too young to remember the drug Thalidomide from the 50s and 60s that caused thousands of birth defects in Europe and the United States. Sometimes governments get things wrong and/ or don't react quickly enough. This includes the FDA.

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Osodecentx said:

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Former Cardinals legend Conrad Dobler, widely dubbed NFL's dirtiest player, dies.

My gosh, I wonder what it could be

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Conrad was 72. Belgian goalie was 25.

You sure seem defensive when it comes to the subject of young people unexpectedly dropping dead.

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Why did they die? Young folks have died suddenly for centuries. You never never follow up with COD. Well, Conrad died too

Osodecentx said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Former Cardinals legend Conrad Dobler, widely dubbed NFL's dirtiest player, dies.

My gosh, I wonder what it could be

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Conrad was 72. Belgian goalie was 25.

You sure seem defensive when it comes to the subject of young people unexpectedly dropping dead.

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Why did they die? Young folks have died suddenly for centuries. You never never follow up with COD. Well, Conrad died too

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If you are not concerned, then good for you. A whole lot of Americans are VERY concerned.

I can assure you that I will not die as the result of an adverse reaction to the Covid-19 vaccine. 100 percent sure. I hope and pray for the safety and well being of my fellow Americans. Especially the vaxxed ones.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Former Cardinals legend Conrad Dobler, widely dubbed NFL's dirtiest player, dies.

My gosh, I wonder what it could be

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Conrad was 72. Belgian goalie was 25.

You sure seem defensive when it comes to the subject of young people unexpectedly dropping dead.

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Why did they die? Young folks have died suddenly for centuries. You never never follow up with COD. Well, Conrad died too

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If you are not concerned, then good for you. A whole lot of Americans are VERY concerned.

I can assure you that I will not die as the result of an adverse reaction to the Covid-19 vaccine. 100 percent sure. I hope and pray for the safety and well being of my fellow Americans. Especially the vaxxed ones.

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Tell us why they are dying. I'm always concerned, but you have no clue about COD. Give us some follow up

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Former Cardinals legend Conrad Dobler, widely dubbed NFL's dirtiest player, dies.

My gosh, I wonder what it could be

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Conrad was 72. Belgian goalie was 25.

You sure seem defensive when it comes to the subject of young people unexpectedly dropping dead.

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Why did they die? Young folks have died suddenly for centuries. You never never follow up with COD. Well, Conrad died too

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If you are not concerned, then good for you. A whole lot of Americans are VERY concerned.

I can assure you that I will not die as the result of an adverse reaction to the Covid-19 vaccine. 100 percent sure. I hope and pray for the safety and well being of my fellow Americans. Especially the vaxxed ones.

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So if VAERS says you died from the vax, they're lying?

Osodecentx said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Former Cardinals legend Conrad Dobler, widely dubbed NFL's dirtiest player, dies.

My gosh, I wonder what it could be

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Conrad was 72. Belgian goalie was 25.

You sure seem defensive when it comes to the subject of young people unexpectedly dropping dead.

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Why did they die? Young folks have died suddenly for centuries. You never never follow up with COD. Well, Conrad died too

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over 500,000 excess deaths in 2022 not related to Covid or the flu or any of those things. Over 500,000 excess deaths with primary one two and three causes being cardiovascular related things, blood related things, cancers. It's interesting that lung cancer is down yet other types of cancers like lymphoma are up. I am not stating that this is related to the vaccine or that it's related to Covid. But we do have a significant excess death issue in the United States that is being ignored

Sam Lowry said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Former Cardinals legend Conrad Dobler, widely dubbed NFL's dirtiest player, dies.

My gosh, I wonder what it could be

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Conrad was 72. Belgian goalie was 25.

You sure seem defensive when it comes to the subject of young people unexpectedly dropping dead.

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Why did they die? Young folks have died suddenly for centuries. You never never follow up with COD. Well, Conrad died too

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If you are not concerned, then good for you. A whole lot of Americans are VERY concerned.

I can assure you that I will not die as the result of an adverse reaction to the Covid-19 vaccine. 100 percent sure. I hope and pray for the safety and well being of my fellow Americans. Especially the vaxxed ones.

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So if VAERS says you died from the vax, they're lying?

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Personally, I don't think the CDC is corrupt. I think they are just incompetent. Most in the CDC I'm sure are just following their marching orders regarding Covid.

4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Former Cardinals legend Conrad Dobler, widely dubbed NFL's dirtiest player, dies.

My gosh, I wonder what it could be

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Conrad was 72. Belgian goalie was 25.

You sure seem defensive when it comes to the subject of young people unexpectedly dropping dead.

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Why did they die? Young folks have died suddenly for centuries. You never never follow up with COD. Well, Conrad died too

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over 500,000 excess deaths in 2022 not related to Covid or the flu or any of those things. Over 500,000 excess deaths with primary one two and three causes being cardiovascular related things, blood related things, cancers. It's interesting that lung cancer is down yet other types of cancers like lymphoma are up. I am not stating that this is related to the vaccine or that it's related to Covid. But we do have a significant excess death issue in the United States that is being ignored

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Of course you are saying it. It's dishonest

"I am not stating that this is related to the vaccine or that it's related to Covid."

Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Former Cardinals legend Conrad Dobler, widely dubbed NFL's dirtiest player, dies.

My gosh, I wonder what it could be

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Conrad was 72. Belgian goalie was 25.

You sure seem defensive when it comes to the subject of young people unexpectedly dropping dead.

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Why did they die? Young folks have died suddenly for centuries. You never never follow up with COD. Well, Conrad died too

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over 500,000 excess deaths in 2022 not related to Covid or the flu or any of those things. Over 500,000 excess deaths with primary one two and three causes being cardiovascular related things, blood related things, cancers. It's interesting that lung cancer is down yet other types of cancers like lymphoma are up. I am not stating that this is related to the vaccine or that it's related to Covid. But we do have a significant excess death issue in the United States that is being ignored

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Of course you are saying it. It's dishonest

"I am not stating that this is related to the vaccine or that it's related to Covid."

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yay, instead of talking about the real issue, lets discuss your made up one..

Whats more dishonest, your preception of what I posted where i clearly stated i wasnt assigning it to a particular causation or your dismissal of the problem outright with "young folks always die"

4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Former Cardinals legend Conrad Dobler, widely dubbed NFL's dirtiest player, dies.

My gosh, I wonder what it could be

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Conrad was 72. Belgian goalie was 25.

You sure seem defensive when it comes to the subject of young people unexpectedly dropping dead.

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Why did they die? Young folks have died suddenly for centuries. You never never follow up with COD. Well, Conrad died too

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over 500,000 excess deaths in 2022 not related to Covid or the flu or any of those things. Over 500,000 excess deaths with primary one two and three causes being cardiovascular related things, blood related things, cancers. It's interesting that lung cancer is down yet other types of cancers like lymphoma are up. I am not stating that this is related to the vaccine or that it's related to Covid. But we do have a significant excess death issue in the United States that is being ignored

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Of course you are saying it. It's dishonest

"I am not stating that this is related to the vaccine or that it's related to Covid."

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yay, instead of talking about the real issue, lets discuss your made up one..

Whats more dishonest, your preception of what I posted where i clearly stated i wasnt assigning it to a particular causation or your dismissal of the problem outright with "young folks always die"

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You were dishonest in th post. You imply that every death under 25 y/o is b/c of vaccine

Dishonest

Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Former Cardinals legend Conrad Dobler, widely dubbed NFL's dirtiest player, dies.

My gosh, I wonder what it could be

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Conrad was 72. Belgian goalie was 25.

You sure seem defensive when it comes to the subject of young people unexpectedly dropping dead.

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Why did they die? Young folks have died suddenly for centuries. You never never follow up with COD. Well, Conrad died too

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over 500,000 excess deaths in 2022 not related to Covid or the flu or any of those things. Over 500,000 excess deaths with primary one two and three causes being cardiovascular related things, blood related things, cancers. It's interesting that lung cancer is down yet other types of cancers like lymphoma are up. I am not stating that this is related to the vaccine or that it's related to Covid. But we do have a significant excess death issue in the United States that is being ignored

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Of course you are saying it. It's dishonest

"I am not stating that this is related to the vaccine or that it's related to Covid."

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yay, instead of talking about the real issue, lets discuss your made up one..

Whats more dishonest, your preception of what I posted where i clearly stated i wasnt assigning it to a particular causation or your dismissal of the problem outright with "young folks always die"

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You were dishonest in th post. You imply that every death under 25 y/o is b/c of vaccine

Dishonest

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no, i didnt.. you expected me To say that and you want me to say that but I didnt and I wont. I dont know that it is the cause and you dont know that it isnt.

You have lost the plot, you are going off script and it isnt working..

Next time, when a person writes, "i dont know the cause" its ok to believe them.

If you are trying to be funny, i applaud the attempt. If you are being serious.. welp

4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Former Cardinals legend Conrad Dobler, widely dubbed NFL's dirtiest player, dies.

My gosh, I wonder what it could be

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Conrad was 72. Belgian goalie was 25.

You sure seem defensive when it comes to the subject of young people unexpectedly dropping dead.

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Why did they die? Young folks have died suddenly for centuries. You never never follow up with COD. Well, Conrad died too

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over 500,000 excess deaths in 2022 not related to Covid or the flu or any of those things. Over 500,000 excess deaths with primary one two and three causes being cardiovascular related things, blood related things, cancers. It's interesting that lung cancer is down yet other types of cancers like lymphoma are up. I am not stating that this is related to the vaccine or that it's related to Covid. But we do have a significant excess death issue in the United States that is being ignored

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Of course you are saying it. It's dishonest

"I am not stating that this is related to the vaccine or that it's related to Covid."

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yay, instead of talking about the real issue, lets discuss your made up one..

Whats more dishonest, your preception of what I posted where i clearly stated i wasnt assigning it to a particular causation or your dismissal of the problem outright with "young folks always die"

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You were dishonest in th post. You imply that every death under 25 y/o is b/c of vaccine

Dishonest

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no, i didnt.. you expected me To say that and you want me to say that but I didnt and I wont. I dont know that it is the cause and you dont know that it isnt.

You have lost the plot, you are going off script and it isnt working..

Next time, when a person writes, "i dont know the cause" its ok to believe them.

If you are trying to be funny, i applaud the attempt. If you are being serious.. welp

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Dishonest thread and you're a part of the disinformation

Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Former Cardinals legend Conrad Dobler, widely dubbed NFL's dirtiest player, dies.

My gosh, I wonder what it could be

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Conrad was 72. Belgian goalie was 25.

You sure seem defensive when it comes to the subject of young people unexpectedly dropping dead.

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Why did they die? Young folks have died suddenly for centuries. You never never follow up with COD. Well, Conrad died too

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over 500,000 excess deaths in 2022 not related to Covid or the flu or any of those things. Over 500,000 excess deaths with primary one two and three causes being cardiovascular related things, blood related things, cancers. It's interesting that lung cancer is down yet other types of cancers like lymphoma are up. I am not stating that this is related to the vaccine or that it's related to Covid. But we do have a significant excess death issue in the United States that is being ignored

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Of course you are saying it. It's dishonest

"I am not stating that this is related to the vaccine or that it's related to Covid."

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yay, instead of talking about the real issue, lets discuss your made up one..

Whats more dishonest, your preception of what I posted where i clearly stated i wasnt assigning it to a particular causation or your dismissal of the problem outright with "young folks always die"

---

You were dishonest in th post. You imply that every death under 25 y/o is b/c of vaccine

Dishonest

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no, i didnt.. you expected me To say that and you want me to say that but I didnt and I wont. I dont know that it is the cause and you dont know that it isnt.

You have lost the plot, you are going off script and it isnt working..

Next time, when a person writes, "i dont know the cause" its ok to believe them.

If you are trying to be funny, i applaud the attempt. If you are being serious.. welp

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Dishonest thread and you're a part of the disinformation

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ah, so you are a clown.. good on you for following your dream

Enjoy your evening.

Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Former Cardinals legend Conrad Dobler, widely dubbed NFL's dirtiest player, dies.

My gosh, I wonder what it could be

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Conrad was 72. Belgian goalie was 25.

You sure seem defensive when it comes to the subject of young people unexpectedly dropping dead.

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Why did they die? Young folks have died suddenly for centuries. You never never follow up with COD. Well, Conrad died too

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over 500,000 excess deaths in 2022 not related to Covid or the flu or any of those things. Over 500,000 excess deaths with primary one two and three causes being cardiovascular related things, blood related things, cancers. It's interesting that lung cancer is down yet other types of cancers like lymphoma are up. I am not stating that this is related to the vaccine or that it's related to Covid. But we do have a significant excess death issue in the United States that is being ignored

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Of course you are saying it. It's dishonest

"I am not stating that this is related to the vaccine or that it's related to Covid."

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yay, instead of talking about the real issue, lets discuss your made up one..

Whats more dishonest, your preception of what I posted where i clearly stated i wasnt assigning it to a particular causation or your dismissal of the problem outright with "young folks always die"

---

You were dishonest in th post. You imply that every death under 25 y/o is b/c of vaccine

Dishonest

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no, i didnt.. you expected me To say that and you want me to say that but I didnt and I wont. I dont know that it is the cause and you dont know that it isnt.

You have lost the plot, you are going off script and it isnt working..

Next time, when a person writes, "i dont know the cause" its ok to believe them.

If you are trying to be funny, i applaud the attempt. If you are being serious.. welp

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Dishonest thread and you're a part of the disinformation

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You are out of line, Sir. Going forward, I will take a play from the Libs of Tik Tok playbook. I will simply post the articles of the latest died too young cardiac deaths and leave out any commentary. People can make their own conclusions. And some people won't.

4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Former Cardinals legend Conrad Dobler, widely dubbed NFL's dirtiest player, dies.

My gosh, I wonder what it could be

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Conrad was 72. Belgian goalie was 25.

You sure seem defensive when it comes to the subject of young people unexpectedly dropping dead.

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Why did they die? Young folks have died suddenly for centuries. You never never follow up with COD. Well, Conrad died too

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over 500,000 excess deaths in 2022 not related to Covid or the flu or any of those things. Over 500,000 excess deaths with primary one two and three causes being cardiovascular related things, blood related things, cancers. It's interesting that lung cancer is down yet other types of cancers like lymphoma are up. I am not stating that this is related to the vaccine or that it's related to Covid. But we do have a significant excess death issue in the United States that is being ignored

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Of course you are saying it. It's dishonest

"I am not stating that this is related to the vaccine or that it's related to Covid."

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yay, instead of talking about the real issue, lets discuss your made up one..

Whats more dishonest, your preception of what I posted where i clearly stated i wasnt assigning it to a particular causation or your dismissal of the problem outright with "young folks always die"

---

You were dishonest in th post. You imply that every death under 25 y/o is b/c of vaccine

Dishonest

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no, i didnt.. you expected me To say that and you want me to say that but I didnt and I wont. I dont know that it is the cause and you dont know that it isnt.

You have lost the plot, you are going off script and it isnt working..

Next time, when a person writes, "i dont know the cause" its ok to believe them.

If you are trying to be funny, i applaud the attempt. If you are being serious.. welp

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Dishonest thread and you're a part of the disinformation

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ah, so you are a clown.. good on you for following your dream

Enjoy your evening.

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And you can spread your bs to the weak minded on this board.
Weak minded conspiratorial BS
I hope you have a podcast

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D. C. Bear said:

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I don't know what caused these deaths or if there is in fact a spike in deaths - but there definitely seems to be a spike.

I do know I am always nervous when people avoid and don't want to ask questions.

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I agree about people failing to ask appropriate questions.

I see people trying to create a trend out of two data points and attribute causation based on what they'd like it to be. That's not science, that's scare-mongering politics that is based either on gross incompetence or intentional deception. When I see people doing basic statistics badly, I stop taking what they say seriously because they are either too incompetent to listen to or that are lying to me on purpose.

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I think there are more than two data points - there seem to be a good bit of young, healthy people dropping dead of heart-related issues famous enough to make news, so who knows how many don't make the news. This seemed to start post-2020 ... not arguing causality but seems unusual. Maybe there were more in 2019 and 2020 and just not reported.

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I was actually talking about the "excess deaths" data I have seen floating around. Two data points and nothing that looks at what the usual range of that data might usually be over time or how the numbers are even calculated. Maybe there is some massive number of people being killed by the vaccine, which is what some offering those data points would want us to believe, but there is no indication of what the range of that variable might be over many years, and you can't even make claims that something like that is unusual unless you have looked at those other years. Then you also have to consider that there may be any number of things that could cause a variation in those numbers in addition to normal fluctuations.

It is similar with young people dying. Young seemingly healthy people, even athletes, have died unexpectedly for much longer than any of us have been alive. When someone points out an individual who died unexpectedly and claims it was because they were vaccinated, that's not really useful data if one wants to make a case that vaccines are causing vast numbers of people to fall over dead.

Anyone paying attention knows (and knew) that some people would die as a result of taking the vaccine, as is the case with just about anything medical, including non-opioid analgesics. If there is something to be concerned about in the data, specifically if there are these large numbers of people dying from these vaccines, it is irresponsible to throw out individual cases and try to argue that a vast conspiracy surrounds these vaccines whereby media and government and "the medical establishment" are working together to kill off thousands of people. Makes them sound like Hillary Clinton.

It is also very dangerous to try to get data and draw conclusions merely from the frequency of media reports or, even more insidiously, how often it shows up in your social media feed, which is designed to feed you what will keep you paying attention.

Media talked about shark attacks a lot in the days leading up to 9/11. Anyone watching the news would have thought we were in more danger from Jaws than Osama bin Laden.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Former Cardinals legend Conrad Dobler, widely dubbed NFL's dirtiest player, dies.

My gosh, I wonder what it could be

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Conrad was 72. Belgian goalie was 25.

You sure seem defensive when it comes to the subject of young people unexpectedly dropping dead.

---

Why did they die? Young folks have died suddenly for centuries. You never never follow up with COD. Well, Conrad died too

---

over 500,000 excess deaths in 2022 not related to Covid or the flu or any of those things. Over 500,000 excess deaths with primary one two and three causes being cardiovascular related things, blood related things, cancers. It's interesting that lung cancer is down yet other types of cancers like lymphoma are up. I am not stating that this is related to the vaccine or that it's related to Covid. But we do have a significant excess death issue in the United States that is being ignored

---

Of course you are saying it. It's dishonest

"I am not stating that this is related to the vaccine or that it's related to Covid."

---

yay, instead of talking about the real issue, lets discuss your made up one..

Whats more dishonest, your preception of what I posted where i clearly stated i wasnt assigning it to a particular causation or your dismissal of the problem outright with "young folks always die"

---

You were dishonest in th post. You imply that every death under 25 y/o is b/c of vaccine

Dishonest

---

no, i didnt.. you expected me To say that and you want me to say that but I didnt and I wont. I dont know that it is the cause and you dont know that it isnt.

You have lost the plot, you are going off script and it isnt working..

Next time, when a person writes, "i dont know the cause" its ok to believe them.

If you are trying to be funny, i applaud the attempt. If you are being serious.. welp

---

Dishonest thread and you're a part of the disinformation

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You are out of line, Sir. Going forward, I will take a play from the Libs of Tik Tok playbook. I will simply post the articles of the latest died too young cardiac deaths and leave out any commentary. People can make their own conclusions. And some people won't.

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Officials Remind Residents Of East Palestine To Protect Themselves By Getting Their COVID Booster

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"In light of the ongoing environmental and health crisis in rural Ohio, we are urging all citizens to make sure they are up to date on their vaccinations," said Ohio Health Department spokesperson Danze Pickleton. "The chemicals being spilled into the water and burned into the air are nothing compared to the deadly power of the latest variant XBB.1.5. Get your booster, East Palestinians!"

The Ohio DOH reiterated that it's essential to get vaccinated, especially if you are traveling to a new place after losing your home to a deadly chemical spill and are being forced to leave under threat of arrest.
"If there's one thing we care about here in government it's your health. Please get vaccinated," said Pickleton.
At publishing time, the Department of Transportation had recommended preventing future chemical spills by making everyone turn in their guns.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Former Cardinals legend Conrad Dobler, widely dubbed NFL's dirtiest player, dies.

My gosh, I wonder what it could be

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Conrad was 72. Belgian goalie was 25.

You sure seem defensive when it comes to the subject of young people unexpectedly dropping dead.

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Why did they die? Young folks have died suddenly for centuries. You never never follow up with COD. Well, Conrad died too

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over 500,000 excess deaths in 2022 not related to Covid or the flu or any of those things. Over 500,000 excess deaths with primary one two and three causes being cardiovascular related things, blood related things, cancers. It's interesting that lung cancer is down yet other types of cancers like lymphoma are up. I am not stating that this is related to the vaccine or that it's related to Covid. But we do have a significant excess death issue in the United States that is being ignored

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Of course you are saying it. It's dishonest

"I am not stating that this is related to the vaccine or that it's related to Covid."

---

yay, instead of talking about the real issue, lets discuss your made up one..

Whats more dishonest, your preception of what I posted where i clearly stated i wasnt assigning it to a particular causation or your dismissal of the problem outright with "young folks always die"

---

You were dishonest in th post. You imply that every death under 25 y/o is b/c of vaccine

Dishonest

---

no, i didnt.. you expected me To say that and you want me to say that but I didnt and I wont. I dont know that it is the cause and you dont know that it isnt.

You have lost the plot, you are going off script and it isnt working..

Next time, when a person writes, "i dont know the cause" its ok to believe them.

If you are trying to be funny, i applaud the attempt. If you are being serious.. welp

---

Dishonest thread and you're a part of the disinformation

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You are out of line, Sir. Going forward, I will take a play from the Libs of Tik Tok playbook. I will simply post the articles of the latest died too young cardiac deaths and leave out any commentary. People can make their own conclusions. And some people won't.

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We could, from what you propose, make our own unfounded conclusions.

We could hunt down and repeatedly publicize, without commentary, any kind of event and create the impression that it was becoming more common whether that was actually the case or not. What you are proposing would create an impression of change without any actual evidence of change and would be, therefore, of dubious ethics.

It is also of dubious ethics to go with the "I'm not saying…" lines when anyone with a brain knows exactly why the person has highlighted the information they have offered.

Sometimes, when people say "I'm just asking questions," what they are really doing is, through the false premise behind their question, spreading ignorance. The old saying that there are no stupid questions is fine for encouraging classroom discussion, but it is quite untrue. There are stupid questions, or, since a question cannot think for itself, there are stupid people who make up questions.

LOL! Am glad you have kept your sense of humor. Thanks for posting.

D. C. Bear said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Former Cardinals legend Conrad Dobler, widely dubbed NFL's dirtiest player, dies.

My gosh, I wonder what it could be

---

Conrad was 72. Belgian goalie was 25.

You sure seem defensive when it comes to the subject of young people unexpectedly dropping dead.

---

Why did they die? Young folks have died suddenly for centuries. You never never follow up with COD. Well, Conrad died too

---

over 500,000 excess deaths in 2022 not related to Covid or the flu or any of those things. Over 500,000 excess deaths with primary one two and three causes being cardiovascular related things, blood related things, cancers. It's interesting that lung cancer is down yet other types of cancers like lymphoma are up. I am not stating that this is related to the vaccine or that it's related to Covid. But we do have a significant excess death issue in the United States that is being ignored

---

Of course you are saying it. It's dishonest

"I am not stating that this is related to the vaccine or that it's related to Covid."

---

yay, instead of talking about the real issue, lets discuss your made up one..

Whats more dishonest, your preception of what I posted where i clearly stated i wasnt assigning it to a particular causation or your dismissal of the problem outright with "young folks always die"

---

You were dishonest in th post. You imply that every death under 25 y/o is b/c of vaccine

Dishonest

---

no, i didnt.. you expected me To say that and you want me to say that but I didnt and I wont. I dont know that it is the cause and you dont know that it isnt.

You have lost the plot, you are going off script and it isnt working..

Next time, when a person writes, "i dont know the cause" its ok to believe them.

If you are trying to be funny, i applaud the attempt. If you are being serious.. welp

---

Dishonest thread and you're a part of the disinformation

---

You are out of line, Sir. Going forward, I will take a play from the Libs of Tik Tok playbook. I will simply post the articles of the latest died too young cardiac deaths and leave out any commentary. People can make their own conclusions. And some people won't.

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We could, from what you propose, make our own unfounded conclusions.

We could hunt down and repeatedly publicize, without commentary, any kind of event and create the impression that it was becoming more common whether that was actually the case or not. What you are proposing would create an impression of change without any actual evidence of change and would be, therefore, of dubious ethics.

It is also of dubious ethics to go with the "I'm not saying…" lines when anyone with a brain knows exactly why the person has highlighted the information they have offered.

Sometimes, when people say "I'm just asking questions," what they are really doing is, through the false premise behind their question, spreading ignorance. The old saying that there are no stupid questions is fine for encouraging classroom discussion, but it is quite untrue. There are stupid questions, or, since a question cannot think for itself, there are stupid people who make up questions.

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Never ever pictured you as a Covid vaccine water carrier. Am surprised and very disappointed.

Make sure you get that booster! Don't forget the kiddos!!!!