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The paralysis underscored the dilemma facing House Republicans: No matter the concessions made to some of those on the far right, they simply will not relent and join their colleagues even if it is for the greater good of their party, and perhaps the nation. They consider themselves conservative purists who cannot be placated unless all their demands are met and maybe not even then. Their agenda is mostly to defund, disrupt and dismantle government, not to participate in it.

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The New York Times weighs in on Republican politics. Go pound sand.

What is McCarthys plan for the Southern border? The trillion dollar deficits? What is his vision that deserves a single vote?

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The paralysis underscored the dilemma facing House Republicans: No matter the concessions made to some of those on the far right, they simply will not relent and join their colleagues even if it is for the greater good of their party, and perhaps the nation. They consider themselves conservative purists who cannot be placated unless all their demands are met and maybe not even then. Their agenda is mostly to defund, disrupt and dismantle government, not to participate in it.

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Ok....define greater good? Are you happy with what Congress has done? Since when did you decide to oppose Republicans who are refusing to go go along with Trump?

Are the dissenters' demands for change completely unreasonable? I mean it's not like Biggs & crew are demanding to end the filibuster or add 4 more states or 2 more SCOTUS seats or not let Democrats pick their own committee members (ala J6 cmee), or any of the other kinds of damned fool nonsense like we see out of the Democrats. So is the fate of the Western Alliance really at risk here? Since they are standing up to a Trump endorsee, shouldn't you be cheering them on?

Why do Republicans bear a burden of statesmanship not expected of Democrats?

Isn't link just more NYT spin to discredit Republicans?
Will spending a week electing a Speaker really put the Republic at existential risk?

Pelosi looking like Einstein
You guys looking looking like Clarabell

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180+ Republican House members voted for McCarthy. That means approximately 42 did not vote for him. Less than 25% of the Republican conference will dictate to the majority.

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To be fair, that's exactly what the Never Trumpers did in 2020 and 2022, is it not?

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In the election of a Speaker?

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I was referring to your consternation that a minority of Republicans are trying to dictate to the majority regarding who should be leader. Wouldn't that same adage aptly apply to the Never Trumpers - a small minority of the Republican Party attempting to hold the majority hostage by threatening in essence to burn the house down if Trump (or his candidates) are either nominated or elected?

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You are comparing the voting patterns of moderate Republican and Independents to 19 Republicans in a Speaker election. They are vastly different things.
I don't care if you guys block McCarthy. He made the trip to Mar a Lago to kiss the ring after Jan 6. He has been rolled by the so-called Freedom Caucus; what will liberals do to him?
In the general election moderates and Independents aren't blocking the election of an executive branch officer, they're just not voting for your preferred candidate. I'm not holding anyone hostage for my vote. You guys nominate candidates and I'll consider them. I'm not asking for anything.

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You are a small minority of vocal Republicans who, instead of coming together for the good of the party and attempting to find a way to co-exist, are instead either outright supporting Democrats or at the very least financially supporting candidates who attempt to get Dems elected because you loathe the potential Republican nominee for president. In short, like the Freedom Caucus, you are small minority that is willing to blow up the party if you don't get your nominee.

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I'm not a Republican and I don't give a damn about your party or the other party. I am Never Trump & I'll be voting in the Republican primary. I'll support a Democrat when you guys nominate a Paxton or someone similar.
I probably am a small minority so why do you care?

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Case in point, right here. Call yourself whatever you want, but you just made my case for me.

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What case? I might plead guilty?

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That you and the NT's share the exact same attributes and are doing the same thing as the minority of Republicans you in Congress you've complained about. The rigidity and willingness to blow it up, as expressed in your last post, is my case in point.

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You guys just aren't meant to govern, just complain

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Lol. From the guy whose preferred candidate for Speaker could not get the votes after three attempts.

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I don't have a preferred candidate. It's your party and your **** show.

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Then stop complaining that a handful of conservative insurgents are standing against Kevin McCarthy. Not your fight.

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LOL. Ain't that the truth.

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Mussolini made the trains run in time by fear, extortion and lies. You certainly admire him as well. He would have forced the masks, vaxxing and lockdowns you clamored for and loved.

Your admiration of totalitarian leftists speaks volumes. Go play in traffic, socialist.

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The paralysis underscored the dilemma facing House Republicans: No matter the concessions made to some of those on the far right, they simply will not relent and join their colleagues even if it is for the greater good of their party, and perhaps the nation. They consider themselves conservative purists who cannot be placated unless all their demands are met and maybe not even then. Their agenda is mostly to defund, disrupt and dismantle government, not to participate in it.

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If the unabashedly liberal and partisan NYTimes is upset about it, then they must be scared about the possibilities.

And that's a good thing.

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Well, I am glad that at least you're no longer deceiving yourself or this board by dropping the pretense you are a "conservative."

Know thyself.

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Looking like statesman here:

BREAKING: Chip Roy nominates Jim Jordan for House Speaker pic.twitter.com/TXY5hWEQ1u

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) January 3, 2023

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The paralysis underscored the dilemma facing House Republicans: No matter the concessions made to some of those on the far right, they simply will not relent and join their colleagues even if it is for the greater good of their party, and perhaps the nation. They consider themselves conservative purists who cannot be placated unless all their demands are met and maybe not even then. Their agenda is mostly to defund, disrupt and dismantle government, not to participate in it.

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"Their agenda is mostly to defund, disrupt and dismantle government"

Yes, that is what we want to happen. Washington is way too big, bloated and out of control and the people in congress are just ramming through trillion $$ bills with who knows what all is in there and the voters just have to shut up and take it. This is not how the government was intended to function and both parties are to blame. It cannot be allowed to continue like this into perpetuity.

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The paralysis underscored the dilemma facing House Republicans: No matter the concessions made to some of those on the far right, they simply will not relent and join their colleagues even if it is for the greater good of their party, and perhaps the nation. They consider themselves conservative purists who cannot be placated unless all their demands are met and maybe not even then. Their agenda is mostly to defund, disrupt and dismantle government, not to participate in it.

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"Their agenda is mostly to defund, disrupt and dismantle government"

Yes, that is what we want to happen. Washington is way too big, bloated and out of control and the people in congress are just ramming through trillion $$ bills with who knows what all is in there and the voters just have to shut up and take it. This is not how the government was intended to function and both parties are to blame. It cannot be allowed to continue like this into perpetuity.

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You guys can't elect a speaker or tell us who won the 2020 election. Those should be easy. How will you do difficult stuff

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No words needed - Just two pictures which should disqualify him! pic.twitter.com/vX9IRARSNl

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So McCarthy spoke at Davos like Trump did, and that disqualifies him? Hmmm…

How long before McCarthy starts doing deals with democrats to get the required votes?

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The paralysis underscored the dilemma facing House Republicans: No matter the concessions made to some of those on the far right, they simply will not relent and join their colleagues even if it is for the greater good of their party, and perhaps the nation. They consider themselves conservative purists who cannot be placated unless all their demands are met and maybe not even then. Their agenda is mostly to defund, disrupt and dismantle government, not to participate in it.

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"Their agenda is mostly to defund, disrupt and dismantle government"

Yes, that is what we want to happen. Washington is way too big, bloated and out of control and the people in congress are just ramming through trillion $$ bills with who knows what all is in there and the voters just have to shut up and take it. This is not how the government was intended to function and both parties are to blame. It cannot be allowed to continue like this into perpetuity.

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You guys can't elect a speaker or tell us who won the 2020 election. Those should be easy. How will you do difficult stuff

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What does that say about the presumptive nominee? Or your assumption that McCarthy won the midterms?

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The paralysis underscored the dilemma facing House Republicans: No matter the concessions made to some of those on the far right, they simply will not relent and join their colleagues even if it is for the greater good of their party, and perhaps the nation. They consider themselves conservative purists who cannot be placated unless all their demands are met and maybe not even then. Their agenda is mostly to defund, disrupt and dismantle government, not to participate in it.

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"Their agenda is mostly to defund, disrupt and dismantle government"

Yes, that is what we want to happen. Washington is way too big, bloated and out of control and the people in congress are just ramming through trillion $$ bills with who knows what all is in there and the voters just have to shut up and take it. This is not how the government was intended to function and both parties are to blame. It cannot be allowed to continue like this into perpetuity.

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You guys can't elect a speaker or tell us who won the 2020 election. Those should be easy. How will you do difficult stuff

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What does that say about the presumptive nominee? Or your assumption that McCarthy won the midterms?

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What do you think it says about your party?

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Looking like statesman here:

BREAKING: Chip Roy nominates Jim Jordan for House Speaker pic.twitter.com/TXY5hWEQ1u

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All this debate and democracy is very troubling.

Why can't these decisions on who leads the Congress be taken behind closed doors?

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180+ Republican House members voted for McCarthy. That means approximately 42 did not vote for him. Less than 25% of the Republican conference will dictate to the majority.

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To be fair, that's exactly what the Never Trumpers did in 2020 and 2022, is it not?

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In the election of a Speaker?

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I was referring to your consternation that a minority of Republicans are trying to dictate to the majority regarding who should be leader. Wouldn't that same adage aptly apply to the Never Trumpers - a small minority of the Republican Party attempting to hold the majority hostage by threatening in essence to burn the house down if Trump (or his candidates) are either nominated or elected?

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You are comparing the voting patterns of moderate Republican and Independents to 19 Republicans in a Speaker election. They are vastly different things.
I don't care if you guys block McCarthy. He made the trip to Mar a Lago to kiss the ring after Jan 6. He has been rolled by the so-called Freedom Caucus; what will liberals do to him?
In the general election moderates and Independents aren't blocking the election of an executive branch officer, they're just not voting for your preferred candidate. I'm not holding anyone hostage for my vote. You guys nominate candidates and I'll consider them. I'm not asking for anything.

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You are a small minority of vocal Republicans who, instead of coming together for the good of the party and attempting to find a way to co-exist, are instead either outright supporting Democrats or at the very least financially supporting candidates who attempt to get Dems elected because you loathe the potential Republican nominee for president. In short, like the Freedom Caucus, you are small minority that is willing to blow up the party if you don't get your nominee.

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I'm not a Republican and I don't give a damn about your party or the other party. I am Never Trump & I'll be voting in the Republican primary. I'll support a Democrat when you guys nominate a Paxton or someone similar.
I probably am a small minority so why do you care?

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Case in point, right here. Call yourself whatever you want, but you just made my case for me.

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What case? I might plead guilty?

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That you and the NT's share the exact same attributes and are doing the same thing as the minority of Republicans you in Congress you've complained about. The rigidity and willingness to blow it up, as expressed in your last post, is my case in point.

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You guys just aren't meant to govern, just complain

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Lol. From the guy whose preferred candidate for Speaker could not get the votes after three attempts.

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I don't have a preferred candidate. It's your party and your **** show.

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Then stop complaining that a handful of conservative insurgents are standing against Kevin McCarthy. Not your fight.

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Our Andy McCarthy no relation to the aspiring speaker points out that if twelve House Republicans voted "present," New York Democrat Hakeem Jeffries could be elected speaker. That scenario is unlikely, but there was a report yesterday that "Reps. Matt Gaetz (R-FL), Lauren Boebert (R-CO) and Scott Perry (R-PA) told Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) that they don't mind if the speaker vote goes to plurality and Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) is elected because they will fight him"

In other words, at least a handful of House Republicans are saying they're fine with a Democratic speaker and Democrats effectively controlling the House, despite the outcome of the 2022 midterm elections. Note that these are exactly the kinds of Republicans who call each other "RINO," contend that other Republicans aren't tough enough or smart enough, and simply believe that others aren't willing to do what it takes to win.
Right now, in the House, the GOP is a nominal or technical majority party with a large faction which has no interest in acting like a majority. They may well be happier being in the minority.
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/what-the-speaker-fight-says-about-the-republican-party/

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The paralysis underscored the dilemma facing House Republicans: No matter the concessions made to some of those on the far right, they simply will not relent and join their colleagues even if it is for the greater good of their party, and perhaps the nation. They consider themselves conservative purists who cannot be placated unless all their demands are met and maybe not even then. Their agenda is mostly to defund, disrupt and dismantle government, not to participate in it.

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"Their agenda is mostly to defund, disrupt and dismantle government"

Yes, that is what we want to happen. Washington is way too big, bloated and out of control and the people in congress are just ramming through trillion $$ bills with who knows what all is in there and the voters just have to shut up and take it. This is not how the government was intended to function and both parties are to blame. It cannot be allowed to continue like this into perpetuity.

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You guys can't elect a speaker or tell us who won the 2020 election. Those should be easy. How will you do difficult stuff

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What does that say about the presumptive nominee? Or your assumption that McCarthy won the midterms?

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What do you think it says about your party?

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I like that you are sticking with this schtick despite your blatant hypocrisy. Ballsy.

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The paralysis underscored the dilemma facing House Republicans: No matter the concessions made to some of those on the far right, they simply will not relent and join their colleagues even if it is for the greater good of their party, and perhaps the nation. They consider themselves conservative purists who cannot be placated unless all their demands are met and maybe not even then. Their agenda is mostly to defund, disrupt and dismantle government, not to participate in it.

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The New York Times weighs in on Republican politics. Go pound sand.

What is McCarthys plan for the Southern border? The trillion dollar deficits? What is his vision that deserves a single vote?

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Has the regressive media every used "far left" when describing the radicals that make up much of the Democrat House including the election-denying minority leader?

I'm just waiting for all the TDSers heads to explode now that Trump endorsed McCarthy!

OH THE NARRATIVE!

Fake News strikes again.

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I'm just waiting for all the TDSers heads to explode now that Trump endorsed McCarthy!

OH THE NARRATIVE!

Fake News strikes again.

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LOL. Indeed.

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I'm just waiting for all the TDSers heads to explode now that Trump endorsed McCarthy!

OH THE NARRATIVE!

Fake News strikes again.

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LOL. Indeed.

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I'm guessing the TDSers quietly leave this thread.

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The paralysis underscored the dilemma facing House Republicans: No matter the concessions made to some of those on the far right, they simply will not relent and join their colleagues even if it is for the greater good of their party, and perhaps the nation. They consider themselves conservative purists who cannot be placated unless all their demands are met and maybe not even then. Their agenda is mostly to defund, disrupt and dismantle government, not to participate in it.

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"Their agenda is mostly to defund, disrupt and dismantle government"

Yes, that is what we want to happen. Washington is way too big, bloated and out of control and the people in congress are just ramming through trillion $$ bills with who knows what all is in there and the voters just have to shut up and take it. This is not how the government was intended to function and both parties are to blame. It cannot be allowed to continue like this into perpetuity.

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You guys can't elect a speaker or tell us who won the 2020 election. Those should be easy. How will you do difficult stuff

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What does that say about the presumptive nominee? Or your assumption that McCarthy won the midterms?

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What do you think it says about your party?

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I like that you are sticking with this schtick despite your blatant hypocrisy. Ballsy.

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What do you think it says about your party? The Dear Leader endorses McCarthy and the Gaetz/Bobert wing ignores it? WTH is going on?

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The GOP is just stupid.

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If we don't get rid of the Santos, Greene and the ilk of Lake we are doomed.

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Isn't Greene supporting McCarthy?

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Yep, She is

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Was surprised to learn she actually did support Kevin but I still think her ilk are the biggest detriment to the Party.

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I'm not a Republican and I don't give a damn about your party or the other party. I am Never Trump & I'll be voting in the Republican primary. I'll support a Democrat when you guys nominate a Paxton or someone similar.
I probably am a small minority so why do you care?

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I am a Republican and I absolutely agree with you 100%!!!!

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The paralysis underscored the dilemma facing House Republicans: No matter the concessions made to some of those on the far right, they simply will not relent and join their colleagues even if it is for the greater good of their party, and perhaps the nation. They consider themselves conservative purists who cannot be placated unless all their demands are met and maybe not even then. Their agenda is mostly to defund, disrupt and dismantle government, not to participate in it.

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"Their agenda is mostly to defund, disrupt and dismantle government"

Yes, that is what we want to happen. Washington is way too big, bloated and out of control and the people in congress are just ramming through trillion $$ bills with who knows what all is in there and the voters just have to shut up and take it. This is not how the government was intended to function and both parties are to blame. It cannot be allowed to continue like this into perpetuity.

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You guys can't elect a speaker or tell us who won the 2020 election. Those should be easy. How will you do difficult stuff

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What does that say about the presumptive nominee? Or your assumption that McCarthy won the midterms?

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What do you think it says about your party?

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I like that you are sticking with this schtick despite your blatant hypocrisy. Ballsy.

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What do you think it says about your party? The Dear Leader endorses McCarthy and the Gaetz/Bobert wing ignores it? WTH is going on?

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I've never registered as a Republican, so technically, it's not my party any more than yours. But here's my take:

There is a lot of dysfunction in the party, no question. The pragmatic and reasonable are caught in the middle of a civil war between the Always Trumpers and sycophants, who bend knee to POS Trump, and the Never Trumpers/Neocons (the Republican bourgeois, if you will), who loathe Trump, the working class populist bent the party has taken, and/or want to see a return to the interventionist foreign policy of the Bush years (see Cheney). Both loathe the other, and would rather see the party burn to the ground than come to a compromise. What they will eventually realize is that we are in the midst of a culture war, and if conservatism is to have any future, they will have to stop the loathing and learn to co-exist with one another. My hope is that this little skirmish will teach them that hard lesson.

I have no love at all for Gaetz and the Trump sycophants engaged in that little rebellion. But I also have no love at all for McCarthy, who has in my opinion been one of the worst and most ineffective leaders of the party in the House. He's a milquetoast R with no backbone.

To quote Jefferson, "I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and is as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical." That is my hope here - that it teaches both sides a lesson about humility, pragmatism, and acting like decent human beings by coming together for the good of conservatism and the country.

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The paralysis underscored the dilemma facing House Republicans: No matter the concessions made to some of those on the far right, they simply will not relent and join their colleagues even if it is for the greater good of their party, and perhaps the nation. They consider themselves conservative purists who cannot be placated unless all their demands are met and maybe not even then. Their agenda is mostly to defund, disrupt and dismantle government, not to participate in it.

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"Their agenda is mostly to defund, disrupt and dismantle government"

Yes, that is what we want to happen. Washington is way too big, bloated and out of control and the people in congress are just ramming through trillion $$ bills with who knows what all is in there and the voters just have to shut up and take it. This is not how the government was intended to function and both parties are to blame. It cannot be allowed to continue like this into perpetuity.

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You guys can't elect a speaker or tell us who won the 2020 election. Those should be easy. How will you do difficult stuff

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What does that say about the presumptive nominee? Or your assumption that McCarthy won the midterms?

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What do you think it says about your party?

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I like that you are sticking with this schtick despite your blatant hypocrisy. Ballsy.

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What do you think it says about your party? The Dear Leader endorses McCarthy and the Gaetz/Bobert wing ignores it? WTH is going on?

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I've never registered as a Republican, so technically, it's not my party any more than yours. But here's my take:

There is a lot of dysfunction in the party, no question. The pragmatic and reasonable are caught in the middle of a civil war between the Always Trumpers and sycophants, who bend knee to POS Trump, and the Never Trumpers/Neocons (the Republican bourgeois, if you will), who loathe Trump, the working class populist bent the party has taken, and/or want to see a return to the interventionist foreign policy of the Bush years (see Cheney). Both loathe the other, and would rather see the party burn to the ground than come to a compromise. What they will eventually realize is that we are in the midst of a culture war, and if conservatism is to have any future, they will have to stop the loathing and learn to co-exist with one another. My hope is that this little skirmish will teach them that hard lesson.

I have no love at all for Gaetz and the Trump sycophants engaged in that little rebellion. But I also have no love at all for McCarthy, who has in my opinion been one of the worst and most ineffective leaders of the party in the House. He's a milquetoast R with no backbone.

To quote Jefferson, "I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and is as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical." That is my hope here - that it teaches both sides a lesson about humility, pragmatism, and acting like decent human beings by coming together for the good of conservatism and the country.

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Good post
(Hope I don't hurt your reputation by agreeing)

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The paralysis underscored the dilemma facing House Republicans: No matter the concessions made to some of those on the far right, they simply will not relent and join their colleagues even if it is for the greater good of their party, and perhaps the nation. They consider themselves conservative purists who cannot be placated unless all their demands are met and maybe not even then. Their agenda is mostly to defund, disrupt and dismantle government, not to participate in it.

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"Their agenda is mostly to defund, disrupt and dismantle government"

Yes, that is what we want to happen. Washington is way too big, bloated and out of control and the people in congress are just ramming through trillion $$ bills with who knows what all is in there and the voters just have to shut up and take it. This is not how the government was intended to function and both parties are to blame. It cannot be allowed to continue like this into perpetuity.

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You guys can't elect a speaker or tell us who won the 2020 election. Those should be easy. How will you do difficult stuff

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What does that say about the presumptive nominee? Or your assumption that McCarthy won the midterms?

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What do you think it says about your party?

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I don't have a party. I have principles.

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The paralysis underscored the dilemma facing House Republicans: No matter the concessions made to some of those on the far right, they simply will not relent and join their colleagues even if it is for the greater good of their party, and perhaps the nation. They consider themselves conservative purists who cannot be placated unless all their demands are met and maybe not even then. Their agenda is mostly to defund, disrupt and dismantle government, not to participate in it.

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"Their agenda is mostly to defund, disrupt and dismantle government"

Yes, that is what we want to happen. Washington is way too big, bloated and out of control and the people in congress are just ramming through trillion $$ bills with who knows what all is in there and the voters just have to shut up and take it. This is not how the government was intended to function and both parties are to blame. It cannot be allowed to continue like this into perpetuity.

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You guys can't elect a speaker or tell us who won the 2020 election. Those should be easy. How will you do difficult stuff

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What does that say about the presumptive nominee? Or your assumption that McCarthy won the midterms?

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What do you think it says about your party?

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I don't have a party. I have principles.

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I'm just waiting for all the TDSers heads to explode now that Trump endorsed McCarthy!

OH THE NARRATIVE!

Fake News strikes again.

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LOL. Indeed.

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I'm guessing the TDSers quietly leave this thread.

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Trump, Mum as McCarthy Flailed, Calls on Republicans to Embrace Him for Speaker.

Former President Donald J. Trump on Wednesday made a direct appeal to House Republicans to support Representative Kevin McCarthy of California for speaker, after Mr. McCarthy lost three successive votes for the post amid a hard-right rebellion led by some of Mr. Trump's most loyal allies in Congress.
"Some really good conversations took place last night, and it's now time for all of our GREAT Republican House Members to VOTE FOR KEVIN, CLOSE THE DEAL, TAKE THE VICTORY," Mr. Trump, who is running for president, wrote on his website, Truth Social.
On Tuesday, as the California Republican suffered defeat after humiliating defeat on the House floor, Mr. Trump had refused to reiterate his endorsement for Mr. McCarthy, telling NBC News' Garrett Haake, simply, "We'll see what happens."
Mr. Trump and Mr. McCarthy then spoke Tuesday night, after the embarrassing once-in-a-century debacle on the House floor and after Mr. Trump made his tepid comment on NBC.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/04/us/politics/trump-mccarthy-house-speaker.html

Okay, so now the Chaos Caucus has put forth a man who's been in Congress a grand total of 2 years.

That's going to go well.

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I'm just waiting for all the TDSers heads to explode now that Trump endorsed McCarthy!

OH THE NARRATIVE!

Fake News strikes again.

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LOL. Indeed.

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I'm guessing the TDSers quietly leave this thread.

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Trump, Mum as McCarthy Flailed, Calls on Republicans to Embrace Him for Speaker.

Former President Donald J. Trump on Wednesday made a direct appeal to House Republicans to support Representative Kevin McCarthy of California for speaker, after Mr. McCarthy lost three successive votes for the post amid a hard-right rebellion led by some of Mr. Trump's most loyal allies in Congress.
"Some really good conversations took place last night, and it's now time for all of our GREAT Republican House Members to VOTE FOR KEVIN, CLOSE THE DEAL, TAKE THE VICTORY," Mr. Trump, who is running for president, wrote on his website, Truth Social.
On Tuesday, as the California Republican suffered defeat after humiliating defeat on the House floor, Mr. Trump had refused to reiterate his endorsement for Mr. McCarthy, telling NBC News' Garrett Haake, simply, "We'll see what happens."
Mr. Trump and Mr. McCarthy then spoke Tuesday night, after the embarrassing once-in-a-century debacle on the House floor and after Mr. Trump made his tepid comment on NBC.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/04/us/politics/trump-mccarthy-house-speaker.html

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Fell on deaf ears.

C. Jordan said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Mothra said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I'm just waiting for all the TDSers heads to explode now that Trump endorsed McCarthy!

OH THE NARRATIVE!

Fake News strikes again.

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LOL. Indeed.

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I'm guessing the TDSers quietly leave this thread.

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Trump, Mum as McCarthy Flailed, Calls on Republicans to Embrace Him for Speaker.

Former President Donald J. Trump on Wednesday made a direct appeal to House Republicans to support Representative Kevin McCarthy of California for speaker, after Mr. McCarthy lost three successive votes for the post amid a hard-right rebellion led by some of Mr. Trump's most loyal allies in Congress.
"Some really good conversations took place last night, and it's now time for all of our GREAT Republican House Members to VOTE FOR KEVIN, CLOSE THE DEAL, TAKE THE VICTORY," Mr. Trump, who is running for president, wrote on his website, Truth Social.
On Tuesday, as the California Republican suffered defeat after humiliating defeat on the House floor, Mr. Trump had refused to reiterate his endorsement for Mr. McCarthy, telling NBC News' Garrett Haake, simply, "We'll see what happens."
Mr. Trump and Mr. McCarthy then spoke Tuesday night, after the embarrassing once-in-a-century debacle on the House floor and after Mr. Trump made his tepid comment on NBC.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/04/us/politics/trump-mccarthy-house-speaker.html

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Fell on deaf ears.

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Just another Trump endorsed candidate losing

Yep.

A sure sign his influence is waning.

Don't see how McCarthy prevails. Only if Dems vote for him. Which they won't do. This is personal with the Chaos Caucus.

This may go many more rounds!

I suppose more moderate Reps could combine with Dems on a compromise Rep speaker.

But I can't see that happening either.

Osodecentx said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Mothra said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I'm just waiting for all the TDSers heads to explode now that Trump endorsed McCarthy!

OH THE NARRATIVE!

Fake News strikes again.

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LOL. Indeed.

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I'm guessing the TDSers quietly leave this thread.

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Trump, Mum as McCarthy Flailed, Calls on Republicans to Embrace Him for Speaker.

Former President Donald J. Trump on Wednesday made a direct appeal to House Republicans to support Representative Kevin McCarthy of California for speaker, after Mr. McCarthy lost three successive votes for the post amid a hard-right rebellion led by some of Mr. Trump's most loyal allies in Congress.
"Some really good conversations took place last night, and it's now time for all of our GREAT Republican House Members to VOTE FOR KEVIN, CLOSE THE DEAL, TAKE THE VICTORY," Mr. Trump, who is running for president, wrote on his website, Truth Social.
On Tuesday, as the California Republican suffered defeat after humiliating defeat on the House floor, Mr. Trump had refused to reiterate his endorsement for Mr. McCarthy, telling NBC News' Garrett Haake, simply, "We'll see what happens."
Mr. Trump and Mr. McCarthy then spoke Tuesday night, after the embarrassing once-in-a-century debacle on the House floor and after Mr. Trump made his tepid comment on NBC.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/04/us/politics/trump-mccarthy-house-speaker.html

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Fell on deaf ears.

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Just another Trump endorsed candidate losing

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LOL.

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NYTimes:
The paralysis underscored the dilemma facing House Republicans: No matter the concessions made to some of those on the far right, they simply will not relent and join their colleagues even if it is for the greater good of their party, and perhaps the nation. They consider themselves conservative purists who cannot be placated unless all their demands are met and maybe not even then. Their agenda is mostly to defund, disrupt and dismantle government, not to participate in it.

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"Their agenda is mostly to defund, disrupt and dismantle government"

Yes, that is what we want to happen. Washington is way too big, bloated and out of control and the people in congress are just ramming through trillion $$ bills with who knows what all is in there and the voters just have to shut up and take it. This is not how the government was intended to function and both parties are to blame. It cannot be allowed to continue like this into perpetuity.

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You guys can't elect a speaker or tell us who won the 2020 election. Those should be easy. How will you do difficult stuff

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What does that say about the presumptive nominee? Or your assumption that McCarthy won the midterms?

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What do you think it says about your party?

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I like that you are sticking with this schtick despite your blatant hypocrisy. Ballsy.

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What do you think it says about your party? The Dear Leader endorses McCarthy and the Gaetz/Bobert wing ignores it? WTH is going on?

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I've never registered as a Republican, so technically, it's not my party any more than yours. But here's my take:

There is a lot of dysfunction in the party, no question. The pragmatic and reasonable are caught in the middle of a civil war between the Always Trumpers and sycophants, who bend knee to POS Trump, and the Never Trumpers/Neocons (the Republican bourgeois, if you will), who loathe Trump, the working class populist bent the party has taken, and/or want to see a return to the interventionist foreign policy of the Bush years (see Cheney). Both loathe the other, and would rather see the party burn to the ground than come to a compromise. What they will eventually realize is that we are in the midst of a culture war, and if conservatism is to have any future, they will have to stop the loathing and learn to co-exist with one another. My hope is that this little skirmish will teach them that hard lesson.

I have no love at all for Gaetz and the Trump sycophants engaged in that little rebellion. But I also have no love at all for McCarthy, who has in my opinion been one of the worst and most ineffective leaders of the party in the House. He's a milquetoast R with no backbone.

To quote Jefferson, "I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and is as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical." That is my hope here - that it teaches both sides a lesson about humility, pragmatism, and acting like decent human beings by coming together for the good of conservatism and the country.

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I do not think it really has anything to do with Trump, but there is more of an Establishment / anti-Establishment civil war. However, I do not give some of the idiots like Gaetz enough credit to have a principle - I think he's just trying to get free press. He guy has a few screws loose.

I respect the fact that there could be some Republicans that want to stand on their principles and not become creatures of Washington despite its temptations. However, I do not think these guys are genuine, and even if they were, one has to be intelligently pragmatic about it and not stupidly demagogue it.