Except it's not.Oldbear83 said:Mothra said:This is just a total fabrication.Oldbear83 said:They consistently show Trump winning if he gets the nomination.KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:Only the sane believe Trump can win.KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:Another argument which depends heavily on insults and arrogance, while ignoring the point.KaiBear said:Whiskey Pete said:Never Trumpers to blame as well if Biden walks back into the White House.Quote:
MAGA voters are entirely to blame. Trump is unqualified for the office. By nominating him, they will have left conservatives with no legitimate choice but to stay home.
If you stay and don't vote in the general, then those folks can shut their ass and stop complaining about a Biden White House when their inability to check their emotions at the door contributed to Dementia Joe strolling right back into the Oval Office
LOL
You just can not comprehend the most basic realities.
If all republicans are somehow obligated to vote for Trump in the general.
Then by your logic all Democrats would be obligated to vote for Biden.
So Trump loses.
As there are millions more registered Democrats than Republicans.
So to stand any chance of winning Trump has to garner a significant majority of the votes of independents.
Which he obviously can't.
But the MAGA crowd is going to nominate him anyway.
Then blame others when Trump loses still again.
Now exactly what part of this can you not get through your prepubescent brain ?
So let's try this again:
Trump may win or he may lose in November if he wins the GOP nomination, but the polls have constantly shown he has support among Independents, he absolutely can win.
{ should not have to do this, but because any defense of Trump is considered evidence of somehow wanting Trump to win the nomination - I was DESANTIS to win the nomination, but this is about the BS by the people working hard for Biden by lying about the facts}
Roughly seventy million people voted for Trump in 2020, so pretending he doesn't have a lot of support is a stupid lie. The polls have shown Trump in front not only of his GOP opponents but also Biden for a long time now, and he seems to be gaining among minorities and independents. We can argue about why this is happening, but it's dumb to pretend it's not happening.
Trump lost in 2020 by millions of votes.
Now he is under indictment for various state and federal crimes. In some cases multi counts. Think it doesn't matter to non fanatics ?
LOL good grief what if Trump catches a conviction before Election Day ? Even on a single count of a single indictment ?
How can anyone really believe Trump will still win ?
It's ludicrous.
Anyone 'can' win.
Stop straddling the fence .
Is Trump going to win the general election if he is the nominee …..,yes or no ?
Despite indictments, despite a potential conviction, despite an uncanny compulsion to say politically self destructive things ?
Not a chance.
No, it's just reporting the polls.
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RDS just dropped out. It is down to Haley and Trump..
And endorsed Trump. Will be interesting to see what happens with the VP pick. I previously thought there's no way in hell he's be a VP but who knows?4th and Inches said:
RDS just dropped out. It is down to Haley and Trump..
Still think Trump will get his ass kicked again, but could make things more interesting.
If you look at the margin of victory in close states, Biden was able to get the White House with less than 78,000 total votes in key states GA, WI, NV, AZ4th and Inches said:75% of recent polls show trump winning the popular vote and all of the polls showing 2% in favor of Joe Biden are within the MOE for a Trump win as well.Mothra said:This is just a total fabrication.Oldbear83 said:They consistently show Trump winning if he gets the nomination.KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:Only the sane believe Trump can win.KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:Another argument which depends heavily on insults and arrogance, while ignoring the point.KaiBear said:Whiskey Pete said:Never Trumpers to blame as well if Biden walks back into the White House.Quote:
MAGA voters are entirely to blame. Trump is unqualified for the office. By nominating him, they will have left conservatives with no legitimate choice but to stay home.
If you stay and don't vote in the general, then those folks can shut their ass and stop complaining about a Biden White House when their inability to check their emotions at the door contributed to Dementia Joe strolling right back into the Oval Office
LOL
You just can not comprehend the most basic realities.
If all republicans are somehow obligated to vote for Trump in the general.
Then by your logic all Democrats would be obligated to vote for Biden.
So Trump loses.
As there are millions more registered Democrats than Republicans.
So to stand any chance of winning Trump has to garner a significant majority of the votes of independents.
Which he obviously can't.
But the MAGA crowd is going to nominate him anyway.
Then blame others when Trump loses still again.
Now exactly what part of this can you not get through your prepubescent brain ?
So let's try this again:
Trump may win or he may lose in November if he wins the GOP nomination, but the polls have constantly shown he has support among Independents, he absolutely can win.
{ should not have to do this, but because any defense of Trump is considered evidence of somehow wanting Trump to win the nomination - I was DESANTIS to win the nomination, but this is about the BS by the people working hard for Biden by lying about the facts}
Roughly seventy million people voted for Trump in 2020, so pretending he doesn't have a lot of support is a stupid lie. The polls have shown Trump in front not only of his GOP opponents but also Biden for a long time now, and he seems to be gaining among minorities and independents. We can argue about why this is happening, but it's dumb to pretend it's not happening.
Trump lost in 2020 by millions of votes.
Now he is under indictment for various state and federal crimes. In some cases multi counts. Think it doesn't matter to non fanatics ?
LOL good grief what if Trump catches a conviction before Election Day ? Even on a single count of a single indictment ?
How can anyone really believe Trump will still win ?
It's ludicrous.
Anyone 'can' win.
Stop straddling the fence .
Is Trump going to win the general election if he is the nominee …..,yes or no ?
Despite indictments, despite a potential conviction, despite an uncanny compulsion to say politically self destructive things ?
Not a chance.
Remember that Joe won by like 5-6 million but really he only won by a few hundred thousand across all the swings and that was with way better polling. Trump has never polled this high and never lead in a national poll in any of the prior election cycles except for an occasional swing state poll or two close to the finish in 2020.
Not voting for him in the general, encourages the radical left.Sam Lowry said:Do we already know the answer? I've said for the last three years that the only sure way to stop Trump was to reject him unconditionally. Saying you'll vote for him in the general only encourages him.Mothra said:Consistently would suggest all of the polls show a Trump win. Just yesterday, a PA poll came out with Trump losing.4th and Inches said:75% of recent polls show trump winning the popular vote and all of the polls showing 2% in favor of Joe Biden are within the MOE for a Trump win as well.Mothra said:This is just a total fabrication.Oldbear83 said:They consistently show Trump winning if he gets the nomination.KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:Only the sane believe Trump can win.KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:Another argument which depends heavily on insults and arrogance, while ignoring the point.KaiBear said:Whiskey Pete said:Never Trumpers to blame as well if Biden walks back into the White House.Quote:
MAGA voters are entirely to blame. Trump is unqualified for the office. By nominating him, they will have left conservatives with no legitimate choice but to stay home.
If you stay and don't vote in the general, then those folks can shut their ass and stop complaining about a Biden White House when their inability to check their emotions at the door contributed to Dementia Joe strolling right back into the Oval Office
LOL
You just can not comprehend the most basic realities.
If all republicans are somehow obligated to vote for Trump in the general.
Then by your logic all Democrats would be obligated to vote for Biden.
So Trump loses.
As there are millions more registered Democrats than Republicans.
So to stand any chance of winning Trump has to garner a significant majority of the votes of independents.
Which he obviously can't.
But the MAGA crowd is going to nominate him anyway.
Then blame others when Trump loses still again.
Now exactly what part of this can you not get through your prepubescent brain ?
So let's try this again:
Trump may win or he may lose in November if he wins the GOP nomination, but the polls have constantly shown he has support among Independents, he absolutely can win.
{ should not have to do this, but because any defense of Trump is considered evidence of somehow wanting Trump to win the nomination - I was DESANTIS to win the nomination, but this is about the BS by the people working hard for Biden by lying about the facts}
Roughly seventy million people voted for Trump in 2020, so pretending he doesn't have a lot of support is a stupid lie. The polls have shown Trump in front not only of his GOP opponents but also Biden for a long time now, and he seems to be gaining among minorities and independents. We can argue about why this is happening, but it's dumb to pretend it's not happening.
Trump lost in 2020 by millions of votes.
Now he is under indictment for various state and federal crimes. In some cases multi counts. Think it doesn't matter to non fanatics ?
LOL good grief what if Trump catches a conviction before Election Day ? Even on a single count of a single indictment ?
How can anyone really believe Trump will still win ?
It's ludicrous.
Anyone 'can' win.
Stop straddling the fence .
Is Trump going to win the general election if he is the nominee …..,yes or no ?
Despite indictments, despite a potential conviction, despite an uncanny compulsion to say politically self destructive things ?
Not a chance.
Remember that Joe won by like 5-6 million but really he only won by a few hundred thousand across all the swings and that was with way better polling. Trump has never polled this high and never lead in a national poll in any of the prior election cycles except for an occasional swing state poll or two close to the finish in 2020.
The key is the battleground states. Whether Trump has increased his lead in Texas is irrelevant.
It's just not going to happen, IMO. As I said above, Trump getting more airtime is a terrible thing. Him being the only nominee is likewise a bad thing. Just wait and see how he's polling come Autumn.
Could I be wrong? Sure, and I hope I am. As I have said consistently, anything is preferable to Biden. But I suspect I won't be wrong, and we are going to be asking ourselves how we lost yet another election to the current geriatric commander-in-chief (when we already know the answer).
4th and Inches said:
RDS just dropped out. It is down to Haley and Trump..
...and RFK, who would be a much better choice than Haley.
BREAKING: Florida Governor Ron DeSantis drops out, endorses Donald Trump for president and blasts Nikki Haley.
— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) January 21, 2024
Wow.
"I am today suspending my campaign. I'm proud to have delivered on 100% of my promises and I will not stop."
"Now, it's clear to me that a majority of Republican… pic.twitter.com/TgF08Jn8no
Polling doesn't show that.Mothra said:Source?Doc Holliday said:
Do some of yall not realize that Trump lost the presidency by 22,500 votes across 3 states combined?
Every candidate running is going to get about 10M less votes than Trump did in 2020. Nobody stands a chance against Democrats other than Trump right now. You may not like it, but it's the truth of the situation.
The idea that nobody stands a chance against Biden other than Trump is a bunch of bull**** put out there by the Trumpsters, when the polls show just the opposite.
Trump hasn't won anything since 2016, when he caught lightning in a bottle. Stop drinking the Trump Kool-Aid.
MAGA, libertarians and republicans who don't vote for establishment candidates will not vote for an establishment candidate like Haley. She will not garner millions of their votes.
🚨 Reality is that there is no longer anyone left who is willing to write big checks to the Republican
— Adam Townsend (@adamscrabble) July 26, 2023
party.
The only big checks the GOP can get are from Dems and Liberals who demand it be allocated and deployed to “stop Trump”
Well, sh*t4th and Inches said:
RDS just dropped out. It is down to Haley and Trump..
She is lighter skinned than Cajuns from Lake Charles…
You knew damn well I was a snake before you let me in. https://t.co/RpQNJgn2BV
— James Kirkpatrick (@VDAREJamesK) January 21, 2024
Mothra: "What poster have I attacked personally the last 10 days?
The answer is none.
I could care less about your snarky responses. I just find it hilarious you complain about mine, when you engage in the same type of communications."
Well, let's just see what the last 2 weeks of this thread shows us:
Me, January 7, 1221 PM (page 71)
"In any conviction of Trump, the appeals process would be delayed until after the election."
Statement of fact, no attacks
Mothra, January 8, 1035 AM (page 71)
"I will believe it when I see it on election day." (in response to a poll showing Trump leading by 10 points over Biden with Independents)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 11, 1000 AM (page 71)
"Agreed it is a losing battle. The Trump train on the Republican side is just too strong. So we are stuck with Trump as the Republican candidate, and then another 4 years of Biden after Trump gets smoked in 2024." (replying to Whiterock)
Statement of opinion and assumption
Mothra, January 11, 1034 AM (page 71)
"Meh. When it comes down to it, Americans will turn out the vote for Biden over Trump, despite everyone's lack of excitement for Biden. Wait and see." (replying to Whiterock)
Statement of opinion and assumption
Mothra, January 11, 1038 AM (page 72)
"Too many of the bumpkins think only Trump can save the country. There is a cult of personality surrounding him by a less educated segment of the party.
He's also benefited greatly by being out of the limelight, at least by Trump standards. We don't see him saying stupid and absurd things on TV as much as we used to. But when his quotes and comments start getting more play once he's finally the nominee, he will remind all of those independents who were on the fence why they could never vote for him." (replying to Kaibear)
Insults Trump supporters, followed by statement of opinion and assumption
Mothra, January 11, 252 PM (page 72)
"As I said above, I will believe it when I see it. When he's the actual nominee, I don't believe for a second Trump can beat Biden. Despite the Dems and middle class's dissatisfaction with Biden, I have no doubt they will pull the trigger for him again when it comes down to a binary choice between Trump and Biden." (replying to 4th and inches)
Statement of opinion and assumption
Me, January 11, 721 PM (page 72)
"Trump proved he can win back in 2016
Trump proved he can fall apart back in 2020
Biden proved a second term of Trump is worlds better for the United States than a second term of Biden
DeSantis proved he is a good, solid governor but is a piss-poor national campaigner
Vivek proved he has the heart we need, but he's not ready to be President
The mainstream media, as always, proved they have no morals or intelligence, not to mention critical thinking skills.
Whatever happens, it's going to mean a lot of angry folks. Some of whom matter."
Statement of fact and opinion.
Mothra, January 12, 842 AM (page 72)
"So some MAGA dudes have a youtube channel wherein they opine Trump is "more presidential than ever," and I hate to see it?
Well, damn, if some youtuber is saying it, I am convinced Trump is going to be our Lord and Savior!" (replying to muddybrazos)
Insulting to Trump voters, condescending
Mothra, January 12, 846 AM
"Agree that none of them had a chance with MAGA and the Trump sycophants. But I respect them for at least trying to help the GOP win the election.
As it stands now, we are going to have another 4 years of Biden. But hey, who knows? Maybe Trump can pull it out in 2028 (if he's still alive)." (replying to Redbrickbear)
Insulting to Trump supporters, notably ignored that 'MAGA' was a Reagan creation, followed by statement of opinion
Mothra, January 12, 849 AM (page 72)
"Trump executed well? LOL. Come on now. We all know Trump could have killed a family of four and he'd still be the nominee.
To be honest, I am surprised that Haley has made it as close as she has. Undoubtedly, Trump's continued absurd and ridiculous comments are driving the middle-of-the-roaders to her.
Won't be Trump/DeSantis or Trump/Haley.
Going to be Trump/Sycophant - one of the kiss ups in Congress or at the state level. Doubtful serious candidates will want that kind of baggage when Trump loses." (replying to whiterock)
Angry rant, nothing more.
Mothra, January 12, 850 AM (page 72)
"Of course he does. His sycophants could never be accused of thinking rationally." (replying to Kaibear)
Insults Trump voters, no substance
Mothra, January 12, 1005 AM (page 73)
"I've liked Vivek's reasonable takes as of late.
Unfortunately, this is not one of them." (replying to Jack Bauer)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 12, 1048 AM (page 73)
"Sure it can. We have one of the least-informed electorates in the world. As a nation, we are near dead last in terms of our education system, when compared to other Western nations. Like it or not, we are a society of very ill-informed voters, and that exists all across the spectrum. You call that mean-spirited. I call it just stating the obvious. I suspect you wouldn't have a problem at all with me calling those on the left ill-informed.
Now, that's not to say that people cannot identify with and connect with Trump, and what he was purportedly trying to do with his presidency. Hell, I liked the outsider perspective, and no-nonsense he brought to the table. I liked the non-interventionist approach, the crackdown on illegal immigration (somewhat) and calling out China. But at some point, the excess baggage and lack of results should be a stark reminder for MAGA that Trump is not the answer. He had his shot, and failed.
Trump has a cult of personality surrounding him among MAGA. That is a problem that most conservatives should be able to recognize, you included." (replying to Redbrickbear)
Statement of opinion, with implied insult toward Redbrickbear
Mothra, January 12, 1049 AM (page 73)
"I think Trump/Noem is by far the most likely scenario. He has repeatedly praised her, and Noem has stayed away from criticizing Trump." (replying to Whiskey Pete)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 12, 1212 PM (page 73)
"While I didn't like any of those candidates, calling them madmen is a bit of a stretch, don't you think? None of them were as unstable as our last commander-in-chief. And none of them had a cult of personality surrounding them.
Problem with Trump is he failed and lied as well. Spent like a drunk liberal, and failed for the most part on the vast majority of his campaign promises (see the border wall).
I certainly understand the attraction to Trump. I like the same things about him that you and the rest of MAGA did. But at some point, one has to face reality." (replying to redbrickbear)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 12, 550 PM (page 73)
"You must not read my posts. I have repeatedly gone on record as saying I likewise voted for Trump twice, and will vote for him again if he's the nominee because despite my disappointment with him, as a conservative, he's better than the alternative.
If you will read my posts a little closer, you will see I have never said don't vote for him if he's the nominee. I've said we (conservatives) need to move on from him as a candidate, as the guy will not win, despite the fact he will receive my vote if he's the nominee.
So no, I don't consider your parents (or myself) idiots or rubes by voting for the lesser of the evil. The rubes and idiots are those who will support the guy no matter what, and over candidates who are far better than Trump (see DeSantis). Those are the real rubes." (replying to Redbrickbear)
Implied insult toward Redbrickbear, otherwise belligerent opinion consistent with prior rants as noted here
Mothra, January 13, 1239 PM (page 74)
"I've never said anything of the sort. As I said, the guy could kill a family' of four and people such as yourself would still support him.
When he's convicted it won't make a lick of difference for the sycophants and certainly won't "do him in." No he won't win the general election, but that was never going to happen anyway.
I have no doubt trump will be the nominee and get his ass kicked once again, regardless of whatever happens in his various trials." (replying to whiterock)
Belligerent statement of opinion, more insults toward Trump supporters
Mothra, January 13, 1246 PM (page 74)
"Should conservatives just grin and bear disastrous policies that will do irreversible damage until there's a candidate who checks all the boxes? Is it truly better to put a liberal in power than a conservative we may not like but can live with?
Let's be honest Sam. Your thought process long preceded the trump election. I've never understood the logic behind it." (replying to Sam Lowry)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 13, 531 PM
"We don't agree often but we agree on this." (replying to Porteroso)
Agreeing with insult towards Trump supporters, that statement implying Trump should be disqualified from running
Mothra, January 15, 100 PM (page 74)
"...those who will no longer vote for Trump.
Ann's right again." (replying to Ann Coulter quote by Redbrickbear)
Statement of opinion
Me, January 15, 217 PM (page 75)
"Ann is completely wrong ... Again.
Hate him all you want, but Trump has mojo and that means votes.
Historians are gonna puzzle over this coming election for along time after." (in reply to Mothra)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 15, 403 PM (page 75)
"Agreed. Polling is quite different when the rubber meets the road." (replying to 4th and inches)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 15, 406 PM (page 75)
"I wish you were right, but I am afraid you're going to be disappointed. Again.
Watch and see. Trump as the nominee will assure another Biden victory.
I will try not to say I told you so." (replying to me)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 16, 924 AM (page 75)
"Oh, Vivek. You start saying reasonable things that I can get behind, and then you go on Infowars of all places and say this. SMH." (replying to boognish bear, about candidate Vivek R.)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 16, 925 AM (page 75)
"In other words, the dumb people vote for Trump. There's a shocker." (replying to poll posted by boognish bear)
Insults Trump voters, otherwise statement of opinion
Mothra, January 16, 928 AM (page 75)
"There simply is no getting around the cult of personality.
I appreciate that DeSantis tried. But it's going to be Trump again for the loss.
Let's just hope he's dead and buried come 2028." (replying to Redbrickbear)
Insults Trump voters, otherwise statement of opinion
Mothra, January 16, 1002 AM (page 75)
"Couldn't agree more with Rod. He nails it." (replying to Redbrickbear quoting Rod Dreher)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 16, 1038 AM (page 76)
"Yup, or at least for a spot in Trump's cabinet." (replying to 4th and inches about Vivek R. leaving the race)
Statement of opinion
Me, January 16, 306 PM (page 76)
"So, you think insulting tens of millions of voters is how you win them over to your opinion?" (question for Mothra)
Response to the flood of insults towards Trump supporters by Mothra
Mothra, January 16, 344 PM (page 76)
"No. I am not trying to win anyone over. Trump as nominee is a foregone conclusion.
Just stating the facts, and explaining why so many will be disappointed. Couldn't care less if they hurt Trump supporters feelings." (replying to me)
Statement of opinion
Me, January 16, 513 PM (page 76)
"That's one really weak excuse you have there, Mothra." (replying to Mothra)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 16, 615 PM (page 76)
"Did I make an excuse? If so, that wasn't my intention. I couldn't care less what Trump's sycophants think, nor am I afraid of offending them, as you are." (replying to me)
Implied insult
Me, January 16, 1124 PM (page 76)
"Well, if you don't mind acting like an ass, you do you." (replying to Mothra)
Insult, but in response to an insult
Mothra, January 17, 658 AM (page 77)
"Well, to be fair, when has that ever stopped you?" (replying to me)
Repeating insult
Mothra, January 17, 700 AM (page 77)
"My thought when reading this was, I suspect that's how those who supported Hitler felt." (replying to Sam Lowry)
Insults Trump supporters
Me, January 17, 1041 AM (page 77)
"But you're cool with Biden and his policies." (replying to Sam Lowry)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 18, 852 AM (page 77)
"If he was actually instituting policies to help them, that would be one thing. But instead he appeals to their basest emotions. I am not sure that's a good thing." (replying to whiterock)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 18, 950 AM (page 77)
"While I think they're more frightened by the prospect of a Trump presidency, make no mistake - their best chance of winning is Trump running, not Haley or DeSantis. Saw an article on it a few days ago in the NYT. Insiders on Biden's team are saying the same thing.
Recent polls show it would be a closer race if it's Trump vs Biden as opposed to Haley or DeSantis vs. Biden, who should beat Biden more easily. I just posted one from a few days ago. Our best chance of losing in 2024 is running Trump (and we will lose if it's him - wait and see)." (replying to whiterock)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 18, 1050 AM (page 77)
"BTW, here is another recent poll showing Trump losing to Biden.
Again.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-suffers-double-polling-blow-1861753" (replying to whiterock
Using left-leaning magazine to support claim Trump is losing in polls
Mothra, January 18, 1230 PM (page 77)
"Well, except that Haley and DeSantis have been polling better than Trump for weeks.
No doubt it will be another close election (loss, IMO) if it's Trump. But give me a candidate who can soundly beat Biden, instead of a retread loser who hasn't won a thing since 2016." (replying to 4th and inches)
Statement of opinion, contrasts RCP averages and most published polls
Me, January 18, 114 PM (page 77)
"Where exactly have DeSantis and Haley been polling ahead of Trump?" (replying to Mothra)
Challenges claim
Mothra, January 18, 114 PM (page 77)
"Read the link in the post about 5 posts above mine, as well as the separate thread I started that includes another poll that says the same thing.
https://sicem365.com/forums/7/topics/134912
I've posted 2-3 others over the last couple of months as well."
Doubles down in Newsweek, statement of opinion
Mothra, January 18, 206 PM (page 77)
"Yeah, I thought that was clear based on what we were discussing, but he may have misunderstood." (replying to 4th and inches)
Comment
Me, January 18, 646 PM (page 77)
"So you found one or two you like.
Sorry Clark, that does not make your statement true, as there are far more polls showing Trump in firm command.
Bottom line is that while DeSantis has governed well and Haley sometimes makes points, they are both piss-poor campaigners." (replying to Mothra)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 18, 1118 PM (page 78)
"So I post two polls and reference several others that say DeSantis and Haley would perform better against Biden in a general election and your only retort is "sorry Clark that doesn't make it true?"
Lol. Classic Oldbear - putting his fingers in his ears and screaming really loudly. You're a hoot.
Tell you what, I'll give you a chance to prove your snarky point. Cite those many polls in the last couple of months that have Trump performing so much better against Biden than Haley and DeSantis in a general election. Should be pretty easy since you claim they're so many.
I'll hang up and listen."
Belligerent and insulting.
Mothra, January 18, 1120 PM (page 78)
"More likely scenario is Trump is the nominee and wets the bed. Again." (replying to Whiskey Pete)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 19, 740 AM (page 78)
"Here's another:
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/09/haley-electability-trump-biden-polls-00130926
Eh, but what does the Wall Street Journal know, eh Clark?" (replying to me)
Comment, uses poll from last year
Mothra, January 19, 743 AM (page 78)
"And another...
https://law.marquette.edu/poll/2023/11/08/marquette-law-school-poll-survey-of-wisconsin-finds-biden-leads-trump-by-2-points-trails-desantis-and-haley/" (replying to me)
Comment, uses poll from last year
Me, January 19, 611 PM (page 78)
"I'm glad you are having fun, Mothra. But you continue to cherry-pick polls, and that won't go where you seem to think.
As for your last line, it would be nice if you started listening, but I won't hold my breath."
Statement of opinion, implied insult
Me, January 20, 108 PM (page 79)
"I reject your rules, Kai.
First off, the adults in the room understand this is not a simple situation. Like Whiskey Pete, I support DeSantis, but like him and others I recognize Trump right now has command of the primary race and leading in most polls against Biden, making Trump relevant to any discussion.
Second, the clearly partisan nature of the Lawfare being waged against Trump will certainly be taken into consideration by the appellate courts, so no conviction will be enforced prior to the general election in November. Further, polls have consistently shown that most voters not psychopathically committed to Biden consider the legal attacks on Trump to be political, and this is a big part of Trump's support among Independents. There is no reason to believe that support will evaporate just because the cases produce predicted verdicts.
The sound course for voters, in my opinion and others, is to support your preferred candidate in the primaries, and to vote for the GOP nominee in the November election. Anything else is morally dishonest." (replying to KaiBear, specifically that I answer in one word)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 20, 117 PM (page 79)
"I invite you to post evidence in support of your position, but as we all know you have difficulty backing up your bull**** and would just rather yell at the clouds."
Direct and unprovoked insult
Me, January 20, 122 PM (page 79)
"Actually, what we all know is that I use reason and evidence all the time. I stopped with you because you resorted to personal insults like that one to ignore the facts." (replying to Mothra)
Statement of fact
Mothra, January 20, 140 PM (page 79)
"You might be the least self aware poster on these boards. You regularly personally attack others and most of your posts are conclusory in nature - with little to no evidence to support same. This thread is a perfect example. You attacked me personally when I posted a number of polls that disagreed with your assumptions, and then when you were invited to cite some evidence to support your positions you failed and refused to do so.
You're the proverbial old man who yells at the clouds on these boards. It's rare when you make a cogent argument.
I'll vote for trump over the alternative but the idea there is some general consensus that he's the best candidate to beat Biden is complete and total horse ***** Pretty much all of the evidence suggests otherwise."
Multiple direct insults, plus false accusation
Me, January 20, 156 PM (page 79)
"More personal attacks. All you got, then." (replying to Mothra)
Observation
Mothra, January 20, 220 PM (page 79)
"SMH. Saying your personally attack others is a personal attack.
Oy vey." (replying to me)
Repeats false claim
Me, January 20, 237 PM (page 79)
"Look at your last several posts, you literally cannot post without the same tired, stale 'old man yells at clouds' lie.
Ironic in particular since you are the angry one here, mad just because Trump still leads in most of the polls, and you blow up whenever someone mentions it, even forgetting that I and others support non-Trump candidates: we just won't ignore Reality because our guy is losing." (replying to Mothra)
Foolishly attempts reason with Mothra
Me, January 20, 806 PM (page 79)
"Another argument which depends heavily on insults and arrogance, while ignoring the point.
So let's try this again:
Trump may win or he may lose in November if he wins the GOP nomination, but the polls have constantly shown he has support among Independents, he absolutely can win.
{ should not have to do this, but because any defense of Trump is considered evidence of somehow wanting Trump to win the nomination - I want DESANTIS to win the nomination, but this is about the BS by the people working hard for Biden by lying about the facts}
Roughly seventy million people voted for Trump in 2020, so pretending he doesn't have a lot of support is a stupid lie. The polls have shown Trump in front not only of his GOP opponents but also Biden for a long time now, and he seems to be gaining among minorities and independents. We can argue about why this is happening, but it's dumb to pretend it's not happening."
(replying to Kaibear)
Statement of fact and opinion
Me, January 20, 834 PM (page 79)
"Whiskey Pete (to the Hate-Trump crowd)
"Now, why can't you get that through your thick head?"
Because for them, they must hate Trump more than loving their country." (replying to Whiskey Pete)
Statement of opinion
Me, January 20, 846 PM (page 79)
"Only the sane believe Trump can win." (replying to Kaibear)
Statement of opinion
Me, January 20, 857 PM (page 79)
"The polls have generally been right except for 2016. They consistently show Trump winning if he gets the nomination.
Hard to understand why you cannot accept that fact." (replying to Kaibear)
Statement of fact and opinion
Me, January 20, 952 PM (page 79)
"Just read what I already posted. Lord knows I have been clear." (replying to Kaibear)
Observation
Me, January 20, 1057 PM (page 79)
"Actually, I gave you a clear answer. The arrogance comes from demanding I say things in the way you want, and refusing to accept a plain response that does not please you." (replying to Kaibear)
Responds to insult with reason.
Mothra, January 21, 1034 AM (page 80)
"For me at least, it's not your defense of Trump that causes me to say you are a Trumpster. It's ignoring ample evidence that he is not the guy who is best equipped to defeat the Democrat nominee that causes me to question your motives.
When you just completely ignore a number of polls that show both of the other contenders soundly beating Biden - as you have done on this thread - or just completely and obtusely blow it off, it should be no surprise that people question your allegiances.
Some polls show Trump with a miniscule lead over Biden in a hypothetical matchup, others don't. I saw one yesterday in PA - a state that Trump essentially has to win to have a chance to win the presidency - that has Biden with a small lead. But what is clear is that polls as of late show that Haley and DeSantis both have a much more commanding lead over Biden in a hypothetical matchup. It's a shame you want to ignore that evidence." (replying to me)
Statement of opinion, continues false accusations and again ignores I prefer DeSantis, repeats unsupported assertion.
Mothra, January 21, 1036 AM (page 80)
"Do you not recall how this exchange started? Do you think you played no role in how we got here? You're the poster who started with the personal attacks, my friend.
This is what I mean when I say you have a massive blind spot." (replying to me)
Repeats false accusation, ignores his own series of insults.
Mothra, January 21, 1040 AM (page 80)
"That's my only point - polls show Haley and DeSantis are the better matchup. But alas, we will never know for certain, since we all know it's going to be Trump.
I have little hope Trump can win in another matchup with Biden, once he gets more airtime, and is the sole focus. He has benefited from not being completely in the limelight (similar to Biden being in the basement in 2020). But if he engages in debates, and starts getting more airtime, I suspect he reminds all of those who considered voting for him why they will vote (once again) for Biden. Coulter is going to be right on this one." (replying to whiterock)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 21, 1043 AM (page 80)
"I am not sure if it was that as much as him coming under attack from Trump and his minions, accusing him of being a lib in sheep's clothing. It was a ridiculous and false attack of course - not that that matters to the Trumpsters. I had at least two, not so bright, Trump supporters who told me that very thing. There's no reasoning with them. If Trump says it, it's essentially God saying it in their minds.
2024 is going to be a total **** show. It actually scares me for our country." (replying to Realitybites)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 21, 1046 AM (page 80)
"This is just a total fabrication." (replying to my note that Trump has a lead in most polls)
Statement of opinion, and frankly a bitter denial of Reality
Mothra, January 21, 1050 AM (page 80)
"I think you are right on this. You have to be a bombastic self-aggrandizing blowhard nowdays to win elections. DeSantis is too reasoned in his messaging. He needs to sprinkle in some juvenile name calling. That's what resonates in the day of social media and reality TV.
God help us. We are ****ed." (replying to 4th and inches)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 21, 1053 AM (page 80)
"Oh, I completely agree with this. Our electorate is composed of idiots (see my post above), as you suggested above. I have no question that the will of our uneducated electorate is Trump. I am merely lamenting that fact. It is what it is.
And those dumbasses who are voting Trump in the primary are going to be shocked and claiming fraud when Trump loses (again). Hopefully there are no riots this time.
My only consolation is Trump will likely be dead in 2028. Otherwise, God help us." (replying to 4th and inches)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 21, 1106 AM (page 80)
"Consistently would suggest all of the polls show a Trump win. Just yesterday, a PA poll came out with Trump losing.
The key is the battleground states. Whether Trump has increased his lead in Texas is irrelevant.
It's just not going to happen, IMO. As I said above, Trump getting more airtime is a terrible thing. Him being the only nominee is likewise a bad thing. Just wait and see how he's polling come Autumn.
Could I be wrong? Sure, and I hope I am. As I have said consistently, anything is preferable to Biden. But I suspect I won't be wrong, and we are going to be asking ourselves how we lost yet another election to the current geriatric commander-in-chief (when we already know the answer)." (replying to 4th and inches)
Statement of opinion
Me, January 21, 1120 AM (page 80)
"DeSantis. Said that months ago." (replying to FLBear5630)
Answered question
Me, January 21, 1121 AM (page 80)
"No, it's just reporting the polls." (replying to Mothra)
Confirming source
Me, January 21, 1123 AM (page 80)
"If you believe I engaged in personal attacks and they are bad, why have you committed to them in pretty much every one of your posts in the last ten days or so?
You wanna talk about blind spots, check the mirror first." (replying to Mothra)
Statement of fact
Mothra, January 21, 305 PM (page 80)
"What poster have I attacked personally the last 10 days?
The answer is none.
I could care less about your snarky responses. I just find it hilarious you complain about mine, when you engage in the same type of communications." (replying to me)
False claims and false claim to innocence
Mothra, January 21, 308 PM (page 80)
"Source?
The idea that nobody stands a chance against Biden other than Trump is a bunch of bull**** put out there by the Trumpsters, when the polls show just the opposite.
Trump hasn't won anything since 2016, when he caught lightning in a bottle. Stop drinking the Trump Kool-Aid." (replying to Doc Holliday)
Belligerent statement of opinion
Mothra, January 21, 310 PM (page 81)
"Except it's not." (replying to my observation of source)
Denial and nothing but
Mothra, January 21, 316 PM (page 81)
"And endorsed Trump. Will be interesting to see what happens with the VP pick. I previously thought there's no way in hell he's be a VP but who knows?
Still think Trump will get his ass kicked again, but could make things more interesting." (replying to 4th and inches)
Statement of opinion
What all this tells us is
A) You spend a lot of effort and time making noise on this thread
B) You have posted more insults than anyone else in this thread, and when someone does insult you, it's in response to your provocation
C) You fall back on false accusations when I point out point B
D) You probably would be much happier to take a break from politics, it seems to bring out your worst traits
Seriously, you need to chill.
The answer is none.
I could care less about your snarky responses. I just find it hilarious you complain about mine, when you engage in the same type of communications."
Well, let's just see what the last 2 weeks of this thread shows us:
Me, January 7, 1221 PM (page 71)
"In any conviction of Trump, the appeals process would be delayed until after the election."
Statement of fact, no attacks
Mothra, January 8, 1035 AM (page 71)
"I will believe it when I see it on election day." (in response to a poll showing Trump leading by 10 points over Biden with Independents)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 11, 1000 AM (page 71)
"Agreed it is a losing battle. The Trump train on the Republican side is just too strong. So we are stuck with Trump as the Republican candidate, and then another 4 years of Biden after Trump gets smoked in 2024." (replying to Whiterock)
Statement of opinion and assumption
Mothra, January 11, 1034 AM (page 71)
"Meh. When it comes down to it, Americans will turn out the vote for Biden over Trump, despite everyone's lack of excitement for Biden. Wait and see." (replying to Whiterock)
Statement of opinion and assumption
Mothra, January 11, 1038 AM (page 72)
"Too many of the bumpkins think only Trump can save the country. There is a cult of personality surrounding him by a less educated segment of the party.
He's also benefited greatly by being out of the limelight, at least by Trump standards. We don't see him saying stupid and absurd things on TV as much as we used to. But when his quotes and comments start getting more play once he's finally the nominee, he will remind all of those independents who were on the fence why they could never vote for him." (replying to Kaibear)
Insults Trump supporters, followed by statement of opinion and assumption
Mothra, January 11, 252 PM (page 72)
"As I said above, I will believe it when I see it. When he's the actual nominee, I don't believe for a second Trump can beat Biden. Despite the Dems and middle class's dissatisfaction with Biden, I have no doubt they will pull the trigger for him again when it comes down to a binary choice between Trump and Biden." (replying to 4th and inches)
Statement of opinion and assumption
Me, January 11, 721 PM (page 72)
"Trump proved he can win back in 2016
Trump proved he can fall apart back in 2020
Biden proved a second term of Trump is worlds better for the United States than a second term of Biden
DeSantis proved he is a good, solid governor but is a piss-poor national campaigner
Vivek proved he has the heart we need, but he's not ready to be President
The mainstream media, as always, proved they have no morals or intelligence, not to mention critical thinking skills.
Whatever happens, it's going to mean a lot of angry folks. Some of whom matter."
Statement of fact and opinion.
Mothra, January 12, 842 AM (page 72)
"So some MAGA dudes have a youtube channel wherein they opine Trump is "more presidential than ever," and I hate to see it?
Well, damn, if some youtuber is saying it, I am convinced Trump is going to be our Lord and Savior!" (replying to muddybrazos)
Insulting to Trump voters, condescending
Mothra, January 12, 846 AM
"Agree that none of them had a chance with MAGA and the Trump sycophants. But I respect them for at least trying to help the GOP win the election.
As it stands now, we are going to have another 4 years of Biden. But hey, who knows? Maybe Trump can pull it out in 2028 (if he's still alive)." (replying to Redbrickbear)
Insulting to Trump supporters, notably ignored that 'MAGA' was a Reagan creation, followed by statement of opinion
Mothra, January 12, 849 AM (page 72)
"Trump executed well? LOL. Come on now. We all know Trump could have killed a family of four and he'd still be the nominee.
To be honest, I am surprised that Haley has made it as close as she has. Undoubtedly, Trump's continued absurd and ridiculous comments are driving the middle-of-the-roaders to her.
Won't be Trump/DeSantis or Trump/Haley.
Going to be Trump/Sycophant - one of the kiss ups in Congress or at the state level. Doubtful serious candidates will want that kind of baggage when Trump loses." (replying to whiterock)
Angry rant, nothing more.
Mothra, January 12, 850 AM (page 72)
"Of course he does. His sycophants could never be accused of thinking rationally." (replying to Kaibear)
Insults Trump voters, no substance
Mothra, January 12, 1005 AM (page 73)
"I've liked Vivek's reasonable takes as of late.
Unfortunately, this is not one of them." (replying to Jack Bauer)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 12, 1048 AM (page 73)
"Sure it can. We have one of the least-informed electorates in the world. As a nation, we are near dead last in terms of our education system, when compared to other Western nations. Like it or not, we are a society of very ill-informed voters, and that exists all across the spectrum. You call that mean-spirited. I call it just stating the obvious. I suspect you wouldn't have a problem at all with me calling those on the left ill-informed.
Now, that's not to say that people cannot identify with and connect with Trump, and what he was purportedly trying to do with his presidency. Hell, I liked the outsider perspective, and no-nonsense he brought to the table. I liked the non-interventionist approach, the crackdown on illegal immigration (somewhat) and calling out China. But at some point, the excess baggage and lack of results should be a stark reminder for MAGA that Trump is not the answer. He had his shot, and failed.
Trump has a cult of personality surrounding him among MAGA. That is a problem that most conservatives should be able to recognize, you included." (replying to Redbrickbear)
Statement of opinion, with implied insult toward Redbrickbear
Mothra, January 12, 1049 AM (page 73)
"I think Trump/Noem is by far the most likely scenario. He has repeatedly praised her, and Noem has stayed away from criticizing Trump." (replying to Whiskey Pete)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 12, 1212 PM (page 73)
"While I didn't like any of those candidates, calling them madmen is a bit of a stretch, don't you think? None of them were as unstable as our last commander-in-chief. And none of them had a cult of personality surrounding them.
Problem with Trump is he failed and lied as well. Spent like a drunk liberal, and failed for the most part on the vast majority of his campaign promises (see the border wall).
I certainly understand the attraction to Trump. I like the same things about him that you and the rest of MAGA did. But at some point, one has to face reality." (replying to redbrickbear)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 12, 550 PM (page 73)
"You must not read my posts. I have repeatedly gone on record as saying I likewise voted for Trump twice, and will vote for him again if he's the nominee because despite my disappointment with him, as a conservative, he's better than the alternative.
If you will read my posts a little closer, you will see I have never said don't vote for him if he's the nominee. I've said we (conservatives) need to move on from him as a candidate, as the guy will not win, despite the fact he will receive my vote if he's the nominee.
So no, I don't consider your parents (or myself) idiots or rubes by voting for the lesser of the evil. The rubes and idiots are those who will support the guy no matter what, and over candidates who are far better than Trump (see DeSantis). Those are the real rubes." (replying to Redbrickbear)
Implied insult toward Redbrickbear, otherwise belligerent opinion consistent with prior rants as noted here
Mothra, January 13, 1239 PM (page 74)
"I've never said anything of the sort. As I said, the guy could kill a family' of four and people such as yourself would still support him.
When he's convicted it won't make a lick of difference for the sycophants and certainly won't "do him in." No he won't win the general election, but that was never going to happen anyway.
I have no doubt trump will be the nominee and get his ass kicked once again, regardless of whatever happens in his various trials." (replying to whiterock)
Belligerent statement of opinion, more insults toward Trump supporters
Mothra, January 13, 1246 PM (page 74)
"Should conservatives just grin and bear disastrous policies that will do irreversible damage until there's a candidate who checks all the boxes? Is it truly better to put a liberal in power than a conservative we may not like but can live with?
Let's be honest Sam. Your thought process long preceded the trump election. I've never understood the logic behind it." (replying to Sam Lowry)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 13, 531 PM
"We don't agree often but we agree on this." (replying to Porteroso)
Agreeing with insult towards Trump supporters, that statement implying Trump should be disqualified from running
Mothra, January 15, 100 PM (page 74)
"...those who will no longer vote for Trump.
Ann's right again." (replying to Ann Coulter quote by Redbrickbear)
Statement of opinion
Me, January 15, 217 PM (page 75)
"Ann is completely wrong ... Again.
Hate him all you want, but Trump has mojo and that means votes.
Historians are gonna puzzle over this coming election for along time after." (in reply to Mothra)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 15, 403 PM (page 75)
"Agreed. Polling is quite different when the rubber meets the road." (replying to 4th and inches)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 15, 406 PM (page 75)
"I wish you were right, but I am afraid you're going to be disappointed. Again.
Watch and see. Trump as the nominee will assure another Biden victory.
I will try not to say I told you so." (replying to me)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 16, 924 AM (page 75)
"Oh, Vivek. You start saying reasonable things that I can get behind, and then you go on Infowars of all places and say this. SMH." (replying to boognish bear, about candidate Vivek R.)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 16, 925 AM (page 75)
"In other words, the dumb people vote for Trump. There's a shocker." (replying to poll posted by boognish bear)
Insults Trump voters, otherwise statement of opinion
Mothra, January 16, 928 AM (page 75)
"There simply is no getting around the cult of personality.
I appreciate that DeSantis tried. But it's going to be Trump again for the loss.
Let's just hope he's dead and buried come 2028." (replying to Redbrickbear)
Insults Trump voters, otherwise statement of opinion
Mothra, January 16, 1002 AM (page 75)
"Couldn't agree more with Rod. He nails it." (replying to Redbrickbear quoting Rod Dreher)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 16, 1038 AM (page 76)
"Yup, or at least for a spot in Trump's cabinet." (replying to 4th and inches about Vivek R. leaving the race)
Statement of opinion
Me, January 16, 306 PM (page 76)
"So, you think insulting tens of millions of voters is how you win them over to your opinion?" (question for Mothra)
Response to the flood of insults towards Trump supporters by Mothra
Mothra, January 16, 344 PM (page 76)
"No. I am not trying to win anyone over. Trump as nominee is a foregone conclusion.
Just stating the facts, and explaining why so many will be disappointed. Couldn't care less if they hurt Trump supporters feelings." (replying to me)
Statement of opinion
Me, January 16, 513 PM (page 76)
"That's one really weak excuse you have there, Mothra." (replying to Mothra)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 16, 615 PM (page 76)
"Did I make an excuse? If so, that wasn't my intention. I couldn't care less what Trump's sycophants think, nor am I afraid of offending them, as you are." (replying to me)
Implied insult
Me, January 16, 1124 PM (page 76)
"Well, if you don't mind acting like an ass, you do you." (replying to Mothra)
Insult, but in response to an insult
Mothra, January 17, 658 AM (page 77)
"Well, to be fair, when has that ever stopped you?" (replying to me)
Repeating insult
Mothra, January 17, 700 AM (page 77)
"My thought when reading this was, I suspect that's how those who supported Hitler felt." (replying to Sam Lowry)
Insults Trump supporters
Me, January 17, 1041 AM (page 77)
"But you're cool with Biden and his policies." (replying to Sam Lowry)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 18, 852 AM (page 77)
"If he was actually instituting policies to help them, that would be one thing. But instead he appeals to their basest emotions. I am not sure that's a good thing." (replying to whiterock)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 18, 950 AM (page 77)
"While I think they're more frightened by the prospect of a Trump presidency, make no mistake - their best chance of winning is Trump running, not Haley or DeSantis. Saw an article on it a few days ago in the NYT. Insiders on Biden's team are saying the same thing.
Recent polls show it would be a closer race if it's Trump vs Biden as opposed to Haley or DeSantis vs. Biden, who should beat Biden more easily. I just posted one from a few days ago. Our best chance of losing in 2024 is running Trump (and we will lose if it's him - wait and see)." (replying to whiterock)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 18, 1050 AM (page 77)
"BTW, here is another recent poll showing Trump losing to Biden.
Again.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-suffers-double-polling-blow-1861753" (replying to whiterock
Using left-leaning magazine to support claim Trump is losing in polls
Mothra, January 18, 1230 PM (page 77)
"Well, except that Haley and DeSantis have been polling better than Trump for weeks.
No doubt it will be another close election (loss, IMO) if it's Trump. But give me a candidate who can soundly beat Biden, instead of a retread loser who hasn't won a thing since 2016." (replying to 4th and inches)
Statement of opinion, contrasts RCP averages and most published polls
Me, January 18, 114 PM (page 77)
"Where exactly have DeSantis and Haley been polling ahead of Trump?" (replying to Mothra)
Challenges claim
Mothra, January 18, 114 PM (page 77)
"Read the link in the post about 5 posts above mine, as well as the separate thread I started that includes another poll that says the same thing.
https://sicem365.com/forums/7/topics/134912
I've posted 2-3 others over the last couple of months as well."
Doubles down in Newsweek, statement of opinion
Mothra, January 18, 206 PM (page 77)
"Yeah, I thought that was clear based on what we were discussing, but he may have misunderstood." (replying to 4th and inches)
Comment
Me, January 18, 646 PM (page 77)
"So you found one or two you like.
Sorry Clark, that does not make your statement true, as there are far more polls showing Trump in firm command.
Bottom line is that while DeSantis has governed well and Haley sometimes makes points, they are both piss-poor campaigners." (replying to Mothra)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 18, 1118 PM (page 78)
"So I post two polls and reference several others that say DeSantis and Haley would perform better against Biden in a general election and your only retort is "sorry Clark that doesn't make it true?"
Lol. Classic Oldbear - putting his fingers in his ears and screaming really loudly. You're a hoot.
Tell you what, I'll give you a chance to prove your snarky point. Cite those many polls in the last couple of months that have Trump performing so much better against Biden than Haley and DeSantis in a general election. Should be pretty easy since you claim they're so many.
I'll hang up and listen."
Belligerent and insulting.
Mothra, January 18, 1120 PM (page 78)
"More likely scenario is Trump is the nominee and wets the bed. Again." (replying to Whiskey Pete)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 19, 740 AM (page 78)
"Here's another:
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/09/haley-electability-trump-biden-polls-00130926
Eh, but what does the Wall Street Journal know, eh Clark?" (replying to me)
Comment, uses poll from last year
Mothra, January 19, 743 AM (page 78)
"And another...
https://law.marquette.edu/poll/2023/11/08/marquette-law-school-poll-survey-of-wisconsin-finds-biden-leads-trump-by-2-points-trails-desantis-and-haley/" (replying to me)
Comment, uses poll from last year
Me, January 19, 611 PM (page 78)
"I'm glad you are having fun, Mothra. But you continue to cherry-pick polls, and that won't go where you seem to think.
As for your last line, it would be nice if you started listening, but I won't hold my breath."
Statement of opinion, implied insult
Me, January 20, 108 PM (page 79)
"I reject your rules, Kai.
First off, the adults in the room understand this is not a simple situation. Like Whiskey Pete, I support DeSantis, but like him and others I recognize Trump right now has command of the primary race and leading in most polls against Biden, making Trump relevant to any discussion.
Second, the clearly partisan nature of the Lawfare being waged against Trump will certainly be taken into consideration by the appellate courts, so no conviction will be enforced prior to the general election in November. Further, polls have consistently shown that most voters not psychopathically committed to Biden consider the legal attacks on Trump to be political, and this is a big part of Trump's support among Independents. There is no reason to believe that support will evaporate just because the cases produce predicted verdicts.
The sound course for voters, in my opinion and others, is to support your preferred candidate in the primaries, and to vote for the GOP nominee in the November election. Anything else is morally dishonest." (replying to KaiBear, specifically that I answer in one word)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 20, 117 PM (page 79)
"I invite you to post evidence in support of your position, but as we all know you have difficulty backing up your bull**** and would just rather yell at the clouds."
Direct and unprovoked insult
Me, January 20, 122 PM (page 79)
"Actually, what we all know is that I use reason and evidence all the time. I stopped with you because you resorted to personal insults like that one to ignore the facts." (replying to Mothra)
Statement of fact
Mothra, January 20, 140 PM (page 79)
"You might be the least self aware poster on these boards. You regularly personally attack others and most of your posts are conclusory in nature - with little to no evidence to support same. This thread is a perfect example. You attacked me personally when I posted a number of polls that disagreed with your assumptions, and then when you were invited to cite some evidence to support your positions you failed and refused to do so.
You're the proverbial old man who yells at the clouds on these boards. It's rare when you make a cogent argument.
I'll vote for trump over the alternative but the idea there is some general consensus that he's the best candidate to beat Biden is complete and total horse ***** Pretty much all of the evidence suggests otherwise."
Multiple direct insults, plus false accusation
Me, January 20, 156 PM (page 79)
"More personal attacks. All you got, then." (replying to Mothra)
Observation
Mothra, January 20, 220 PM (page 79)
"SMH. Saying your personally attack others is a personal attack.
Oy vey." (replying to me)
Repeats false claim
Me, January 20, 237 PM (page 79)
"Look at your last several posts, you literally cannot post without the same tired, stale 'old man yells at clouds' lie.
Ironic in particular since you are the angry one here, mad just because Trump still leads in most of the polls, and you blow up whenever someone mentions it, even forgetting that I and others support non-Trump candidates: we just won't ignore Reality because our guy is losing." (replying to Mothra)
Foolishly attempts reason with Mothra
Me, January 20, 806 PM (page 79)
"Another argument which depends heavily on insults and arrogance, while ignoring the point.
So let's try this again:
Trump may win or he may lose in November if he wins the GOP nomination, but the polls have constantly shown he has support among Independents, he absolutely can win.
{ should not have to do this, but because any defense of Trump is considered evidence of somehow wanting Trump to win the nomination - I want DESANTIS to win the nomination, but this is about the BS by the people working hard for Biden by lying about the facts}
Roughly seventy million people voted for Trump in 2020, so pretending he doesn't have a lot of support is a stupid lie. The polls have shown Trump in front not only of his GOP opponents but also Biden for a long time now, and he seems to be gaining among minorities and independents. We can argue about why this is happening, but it's dumb to pretend it's not happening."
(replying to Kaibear)
Statement of fact and opinion
Me, January 20, 834 PM (page 79)
"Whiskey Pete (to the Hate-Trump crowd)
"Now, why can't you get that through your thick head?"
Because for them, they must hate Trump more than loving their country." (replying to Whiskey Pete)
Statement of opinion
Me, January 20, 846 PM (page 79)
"Only the sane believe Trump can win." (replying to Kaibear)
Statement of opinion
Me, January 20, 857 PM (page 79)
"The polls have generally been right except for 2016. They consistently show Trump winning if he gets the nomination.
Hard to understand why you cannot accept that fact." (replying to Kaibear)
Statement of fact and opinion
Me, January 20, 952 PM (page 79)
"Just read what I already posted. Lord knows I have been clear." (replying to Kaibear)
Observation
Me, January 20, 1057 PM (page 79)
"Actually, I gave you a clear answer. The arrogance comes from demanding I say things in the way you want, and refusing to accept a plain response that does not please you." (replying to Kaibear)
Responds to insult with reason.
Mothra, January 21, 1034 AM (page 80)
"For me at least, it's not your defense of Trump that causes me to say you are a Trumpster. It's ignoring ample evidence that he is not the guy who is best equipped to defeat the Democrat nominee that causes me to question your motives.
When you just completely ignore a number of polls that show both of the other contenders soundly beating Biden - as you have done on this thread - or just completely and obtusely blow it off, it should be no surprise that people question your allegiances.
Some polls show Trump with a miniscule lead over Biden in a hypothetical matchup, others don't. I saw one yesterday in PA - a state that Trump essentially has to win to have a chance to win the presidency - that has Biden with a small lead. But what is clear is that polls as of late show that Haley and DeSantis both have a much more commanding lead over Biden in a hypothetical matchup. It's a shame you want to ignore that evidence." (replying to me)
Statement of opinion, continues false accusations and again ignores I prefer DeSantis, repeats unsupported assertion.
Mothra, January 21, 1036 AM (page 80)
"Do you not recall how this exchange started? Do you think you played no role in how we got here? You're the poster who started with the personal attacks, my friend.
This is what I mean when I say you have a massive blind spot." (replying to me)
Repeats false accusation, ignores his own series of insults.
Mothra, January 21, 1040 AM (page 80)
"That's my only point - polls show Haley and DeSantis are the better matchup. But alas, we will never know for certain, since we all know it's going to be Trump.
I have little hope Trump can win in another matchup with Biden, once he gets more airtime, and is the sole focus. He has benefited from not being completely in the limelight (similar to Biden being in the basement in 2020). But if he engages in debates, and starts getting more airtime, I suspect he reminds all of those who considered voting for him why they will vote (once again) for Biden. Coulter is going to be right on this one." (replying to whiterock)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 21, 1043 AM (page 80)
"I am not sure if it was that as much as him coming under attack from Trump and his minions, accusing him of being a lib in sheep's clothing. It was a ridiculous and false attack of course - not that that matters to the Trumpsters. I had at least two, not so bright, Trump supporters who told me that very thing. There's no reasoning with them. If Trump says it, it's essentially God saying it in their minds.
2024 is going to be a total **** show. It actually scares me for our country." (replying to Realitybites)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 21, 1046 AM (page 80)
"This is just a total fabrication." (replying to my note that Trump has a lead in most polls)
Statement of opinion, and frankly a bitter denial of Reality
Mothra, January 21, 1050 AM (page 80)
"I think you are right on this. You have to be a bombastic self-aggrandizing blowhard nowdays to win elections. DeSantis is too reasoned in his messaging. He needs to sprinkle in some juvenile name calling. That's what resonates in the day of social media and reality TV.
God help us. We are ****ed." (replying to 4th and inches)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 21, 1053 AM (page 80)
"Oh, I completely agree with this. Our electorate is composed of idiots (see my post above), as you suggested above. I have no question that the will of our uneducated electorate is Trump. I am merely lamenting that fact. It is what it is.
And those dumbasses who are voting Trump in the primary are going to be shocked and claiming fraud when Trump loses (again). Hopefully there are no riots this time.
My only consolation is Trump will likely be dead in 2028. Otherwise, God help us." (replying to 4th and inches)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 21, 1106 AM (page 80)
"Consistently would suggest all of the polls show a Trump win. Just yesterday, a PA poll came out with Trump losing.
The key is the battleground states. Whether Trump has increased his lead in Texas is irrelevant.
It's just not going to happen, IMO. As I said above, Trump getting more airtime is a terrible thing. Him being the only nominee is likewise a bad thing. Just wait and see how he's polling come Autumn.
Could I be wrong? Sure, and I hope I am. As I have said consistently, anything is preferable to Biden. But I suspect I won't be wrong, and we are going to be asking ourselves how we lost yet another election to the current geriatric commander-in-chief (when we already know the answer)." (replying to 4th and inches)
Statement of opinion
Me, January 21, 1120 AM (page 80)
"DeSantis. Said that months ago." (replying to FLBear5630)
Answered question
Me, January 21, 1121 AM (page 80)
"No, it's just reporting the polls." (replying to Mothra)
Confirming source
Me, January 21, 1123 AM (page 80)
"If you believe I engaged in personal attacks and they are bad, why have you committed to them in pretty much every one of your posts in the last ten days or so?
You wanna talk about blind spots, check the mirror first." (replying to Mothra)
Statement of fact
Mothra, January 21, 305 PM (page 80)
"What poster have I attacked personally the last 10 days?
The answer is none.
I could care less about your snarky responses. I just find it hilarious you complain about mine, when you engage in the same type of communications." (replying to me)
False claims and false claim to innocence
Mothra, January 21, 308 PM (page 80)
"Source?
The idea that nobody stands a chance against Biden other than Trump is a bunch of bull**** put out there by the Trumpsters, when the polls show just the opposite.
Trump hasn't won anything since 2016, when he caught lightning in a bottle. Stop drinking the Trump Kool-Aid." (replying to Doc Holliday)
Belligerent statement of opinion
Mothra, January 21, 310 PM (page 81)
"Except it's not." (replying to my observation of source)
Denial and nothing but
Mothra, January 21, 316 PM (page 81)
"And endorsed Trump. Will be interesting to see what happens with the VP pick. I previously thought there's no way in hell he's be a VP but who knows?
Still think Trump will get his ass kicked again, but could make things more interesting." (replying to 4th and inches)
Statement of opinion
What all this tells us is
A) You spend a lot of effort and time making noise on this thread
B) You have posted more insults than anyone else in this thread, and when someone does insult you, it's in response to your provocation
C) You fall back on false accusations when I point out point B
D) You probably would be much happier to take a break from politics, it seems to bring out your worst traits
Seriously, you need to chill.
Voting for Trump encourages the radical right. Biden is awful, but he's not the radical left. A lot of people seem to think that if we're accused of being radical, it's a good excuse to be as radical as we can. I think the high road is better in the long run.Whiskey Pete said:Not voting for him in the general, encourages the radical left.Sam Lowry said:Do we already know the answer? I've said for the last three years that the only sure way to stop Trump was to reject him unconditionally. Saying you'll vote for him in the general only encourages him.Mothra said:Consistently would suggest all of the polls show a Trump win. Just yesterday, a PA poll came out with Trump losing.4th and Inches said:75% of recent polls show trump winning the popular vote and all of the polls showing 2% in favor of Joe Biden are within the MOE for a Trump win as well.Mothra said:This is just a total fabrication.Oldbear83 said:They consistently show Trump winning if he gets the nomination.KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:Only the sane believe Trump can win.KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:Another argument which depends heavily on insults and arrogance, while ignoring the point.KaiBear said:Whiskey Pete said:Never Trumpers to blame as well if Biden walks back into the White House.Quote:
MAGA voters are entirely to blame. Trump is unqualified for the office. By nominating him, they will have left conservatives with no legitimate choice but to stay home.
If you stay and don't vote in the general, then those folks can shut their ass and stop complaining about a Biden White House when their inability to check their emotions at the door contributed to Dementia Joe strolling right back into the Oval Office
LOL
You just can not comprehend the most basic realities.
If all republicans are somehow obligated to vote for Trump in the general.
Then by your logic all Democrats would be obligated to vote for Biden.
So Trump loses.
As there are millions more registered Democrats than Republicans.
So to stand any chance of winning Trump has to garner a significant majority of the votes of independents.
Which he obviously can't.
But the MAGA crowd is going to nominate him anyway.
Then blame others when Trump loses still again.
Now exactly what part of this can you not get through your prepubescent brain ?
So let's try this again:
Trump may win or he may lose in November if he wins the GOP nomination, but the polls have constantly shown he has support among Independents, he absolutely can win.
{ should not have to do this, but because any defense of Trump is considered evidence of somehow wanting Trump to win the nomination - I was DESANTIS to win the nomination, but this is about the BS by the people working hard for Biden by lying about the facts}
Roughly seventy million people voted for Trump in 2020, so pretending he doesn't have a lot of support is a stupid lie. The polls have shown Trump in front not only of his GOP opponents but also Biden for a long time now, and he seems to be gaining among minorities and independents. We can argue about why this is happening, but it's dumb to pretend it's not happening.
Trump lost in 2020 by millions of votes.
Now he is under indictment for various state and federal crimes. In some cases multi counts. Think it doesn't matter to non fanatics ?
LOL good grief what if Trump catches a conviction before Election Day ? Even on a single count of a single indictment ?
How can anyone really believe Trump will still win ?
It's ludicrous.
Anyone 'can' win.
Stop straddling the fence .
Is Trump going to win the general election if he is the nominee …..,yes or no ?
Despite indictments, despite a potential conviction, despite an uncanny compulsion to say politically self destructive things ?
Not a chance.
Remember that Joe won by like 5-6 million but really he only won by a few hundred thousand across all the swings and that was with way better polling. Trump has never polled this high and never lead in a national poll in any of the prior election cycles except for an occasional swing state poll or two close to the finish in 2020.
The key is the battleground states. Whether Trump has increased his lead in Texas is irrelevant.
It's just not going to happen, IMO. As I said above, Trump getting more airtime is a terrible thing. Him being the only nominee is likewise a bad thing. Just wait and see how he's polling come Autumn.
Could I be wrong? Sure, and I hope I am. As I have said consistently, anything is preferable to Biden. But I suspect I won't be wrong, and we are going to be asking ourselves how we lost yet another election to the current geriatric commander-in-chief (when we already know the answer).
You have a weird definition of radical left if you believe the Biden administration isn't.Sam Lowry said:Voting for Trump encourages the radical right. Biden is awful, but he's not the radical left. A lot of people seem to think that if we're accused of being radical, it's a good excuse to be as radical as we can. I think the high road is better in the long run.Whiskey Pete said:Not voting for him in the general, encourages the radical left.Sam Lowry said:Do we already know the answer? I've said for the last three years that the only sure way to stop Trump was to reject him unconditionally. Saying you'll vote for him in the general only encourages him.Mothra said:Consistently would suggest all of the polls show a Trump win. Just yesterday, a PA poll came out with Trump losing.4th and Inches said:75% of recent polls show trump winning the popular vote and all of the polls showing 2% in favor of Joe Biden are within the MOE for a Trump win as well.Mothra said:This is just a total fabrication.Oldbear83 said:They consistently show Trump winning if he gets the nomination.KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:Only the sane believe Trump can win.KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:Another argument which depends heavily on insults and arrogance, while ignoring the point.KaiBear said:Whiskey Pete said:Never Trumpers to blame as well if Biden walks back into the White House.Quote:
MAGA voters are entirely to blame. Trump is unqualified for the office. By nominating him, they will have left conservatives with no legitimate choice but to stay home.
If you stay and don't vote in the general, then those folks can shut their ass and stop complaining about a Biden White House when their inability to check their emotions at the door contributed to Dementia Joe strolling right back into the Oval Office
LOL
You just can not comprehend the most basic realities.
If all republicans are somehow obligated to vote for Trump in the general.
Then by your logic all Democrats would be obligated to vote for Biden.
So Trump loses.
As there are millions more registered Democrats than Republicans.
So to stand any chance of winning Trump has to garner a significant majority of the votes of independents.
Which he obviously can't.
But the MAGA crowd is going to nominate him anyway.
Then blame others when Trump loses still again.
Now exactly what part of this can you not get through your prepubescent brain ?
So let's try this again:
Trump may win or he may lose in November if he wins the GOP nomination, but the polls have constantly shown he has support among Independents, he absolutely can win.
{ should not have to do this, but because any defense of Trump is considered evidence of somehow wanting Trump to win the nomination - I was DESANTIS to win the nomination, but this is about the BS by the people working hard for Biden by lying about the facts}
Roughly seventy million people voted for Trump in 2020, so pretending he doesn't have a lot of support is a stupid lie. The polls have shown Trump in front not only of his GOP opponents but also Biden for a long time now, and he seems to be gaining among minorities and independents. We can argue about why this is happening, but it's dumb to pretend it's not happening.
Trump lost in 2020 by millions of votes.
Now he is under indictment for various state and federal crimes. In some cases multi counts. Think it doesn't matter to non fanatics ?
LOL good grief what if Trump catches a conviction before Election Day ? Even on a single count of a single indictment ?
How can anyone really believe Trump will still win ?
It's ludicrous.
Anyone 'can' win.
Stop straddling the fence .
Is Trump going to win the general election if he is the nominee …..,yes or no ?
Despite indictments, despite a potential conviction, despite an uncanny compulsion to say politically self destructive things ?
Not a chance.
Remember that Joe won by like 5-6 million but really he only won by a few hundred thousand across all the swings and that was with way better polling. Trump has never polled this high and never lead in a national poll in any of the prior election cycles except for an occasional swing state poll or two close to the finish in 2020.
The key is the battleground states. Whether Trump has increased his lead in Texas is irrelevant.
It's just not going to happen, IMO. As I said above, Trump getting more airtime is a terrible thing. Him being the only nominee is likewise a bad thing. Just wait and see how he's polling come Autumn.
Could I be wrong? Sure, and I hope I am. As I have said consistently, anything is preferable to Biden. But I suspect I won't be wrong, and we are going to be asking ourselves how we lost yet another election to the current geriatric commander-in-chief (when we already know the answer).
Geez. That's not even very good spin. We USED to teach that immunity from prosecution prevented a President from being hamstrung by constant litigation, freeing his hand to handle affairs of state on behalf of the American people (who elected him), and that the appropriate remedy for malfeasances was impeachment.Sam Lowry said:Unless you grew up in Germany in the 1930s, that's pretty much the opposite of what you were taught in government class. Total immunity for wrongdoing isn't what the Founders meant by checks and balances.whiterock said:That's pretty much what I was taught in government class = our founders were wise enough to put in place checks & balances to ensure the justice system was not usurped by political vendettas (as it has been now by Democrats).Osodecentx said:
Thursday morning at 1:00 a.m.:Quote:
A PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES MUST HAVE FULL IMMUNITY, WITHOUT WHICH IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR HIM/HER TO PROPERLY FUNCTION. ANY MISTAKE, EVEN IF WELL INTENDED, WOULD BE MET WITH ALMOST CERTAIN INDICTMENT BY THE OPPOSING PARTY AT TERM END. EVEN EVENTS THAT "CROSS THE LINE" MUST FALL UNDER TOTAL IMMUNITY, OR IT WILL BE YEARS OF TRAUMA TRYING TO DETERMINE GOOD FROM BAD. THERE MUST BE CERTAINTY. EXAMPLE: YOU CAN'T STOP POLICE FROM DOING THE JOB OF STRONG & EFFECTIVE CRIME PREVENTION BECAUSE YOU WANT TO GUARD AGAINST THE OCCASIONAL "ROGUE COP" OR "BAD APPLE." SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO LIVE WITH "GREAT BUT SLIGHTLY IMPERFECT." ALL PRESIDENTS MUST HAVE COMPLETE & TOTAL PRESIDENTIAL IMMUNITY, OR THE AUTHORITY & DECISIVENESS OF A PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WILL BE STRIPPED & GONE FOREVER. HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE AN EASY DECISION. GOD BLESS THE SUPREME COURT!
Donald Trump Truth Social 12:59 AM EST 01/18/24
The beneficiary to the principle is not the President. It's the People, who do need a Chief Executive that can act on their behalf. If he/she doesn't, well......there's impeachment.
Your views are a menace to the Republic.
You mean the 60% or so of the GOP voters are a menace to YOU, because they won't do what you want.Sam Lowry said:MAGA voters are entirely to blame. Trump is unqualified for the office. By nominating him, they will have left conservatives with no legitimate choice but to stay home.Whiskey Pete said:You fail to see my point, or perhaps you're mentally not capable of comprehension, which is more likely.KaiBear said:Whiskey Pete said:I'm not a registered Republican, dumb-ass.KaiBear said:Whiskey Pete said:ATL Bear said:Apologies if you didn't say uniparty, but a lot of the Trump lot fling that around.Whiskey Pete said:Never once did I say the Trump voters wouldn't be to blame. I have said, more than once, that the Never Trumpers will be as much to blame as the Only Trumpers.ATL Bear said:You openly blame people voting for Biden. Why shouldn't the Trump voters get the same scrutiny? And for all the "uniparty" "swamp" fist pounding, it's odd to see the criticisms being leveled at those that would actually be voting against that cycle.Whiskey Pete said:What is it with? Well, genius, my beef is with people who sit on their high horse and try to blame people for voting for Trump in the primary, but refuse to accept any blame for they themselves not voting for Trump in the general.FLBear5630 said:What is it with you and this if you don't love Trump you are pro-Biden??? The two are not related. If on November 1st we are in that position, than it is a decision to make. To say in January not supporting Trump is giving Biden the WH is ridiculous. My dislike of Trump has NOTHING to do with Biden. Biden is the worst President in history. It is not an either/or until November.Whiskey Pete said:Yep, the Never Trumpers (like yourself) won't check their emotions at the door, apply a little logic and just let Biden waltz right back into the White House.KaiBear said:Good grief man; forget this ' poll game '.Oldbear83 said:
I'm glad you are having fun, Mothra. But you continue to cherry-pick polls, and that won't go where you seem to think.
As for your last line, it would be nice if you started listening, but I won't hold my breath.
Let's cut to the chase.
Do you predict Trump is going to receive enough votes from women, minorites, and independents to overcome his possible convictions on multiple indictments regarding both state and federal charges ?
That Donald Trump can WIN back the White House ?
One word answers.
Mine is ' no '.
If you want to blame those voting for Trump in the primary, then you need to blame yourself for not voting for Trump in the general.
If you don't want to vote for Trump, then don't, but don't pretend it's only Trump supporters that are too blame and none of it falls on the Never Trumpers.
And I'm a DeSantis guy.
I've never said anything about "uniparty"
And make no mistake, Donald Trump, not any voters, are to blame. Bad candidates are bad candidates and he chose to run when he didn't have to.
Yes, Trump is a brash ******* who has no filter and invites chaos. The guy can't even pick and choose his battles. He gives the democrats and media too much ammunition and frankly his last go 'round was very tiresome to watch. But is sure was a hell of a lot better than the ****show we've had the past 3 years.
Dummy
If you as a registered Republican have such an opinion of Trump
Just what in the hell makes you think INDEPENDENTS are going to vote for Trump in the numbers required for him to overcome the Dems numerical advantage?
And if it's obvious Trump can't get those independent voters, he is going to lose.
But nominate Trump irregardless ?
That's NOT on MAGA voters . Hell many just love his free comedy routine. They can't understand why the ready of the country is tired of their fat freak.
But party leadership is supposed to LEAD.
And the Republican hierarchy has abandoned that function.
So they are going ( apparently willingly ) to ensure the election of the Dems with all the chaos and hell that will result .
Holy ****, you really are about as bright as a broken light bulb. You keep arguing points I'm not even trying to make.
This post of yours shows me that you comprehension skills are along the same lines as Biden. Where the in **** did I say you should nominate Trump? Holy cow, you really are an idiot.
You're not a fool, but a clown and an idiot.
By the way, I though you put me on ignore. Couldn't help yourself, I see.
And of course dummy you again ignore my point.
Because you realize the answer negates your whole jr high thought process.
If Trump can't win the majority of independent voters he loses the general
Irregardless on how much ' responsibility' you are attempting to put on Republican primary voters.
This reality involving independents has been understood since day one. And yet Republican leadership has still allowed Trumps campaign to progress .
That's on them. Republican power brokers are the ones who are supposed to comprehend the realities of national politics .
Not MAGA voters who can't see beyond their infatuation with the orange haired guy.
FYI ' ignore' eventually times out . And after you addressed a couple of inane posts to me I decided to kill some time on this flight to Fort Lauderdale.
Land in 80 minutes .
You continue to try and argue the same crap over and over and over that has zero to do with my original point.
YOU CAN'T ONLY BLAME ONLY TRUMPERS FOR GIVING BIDEN THE WHITE HOUSE AND NOT BLAME NEVER TRUMPERS TOO.
It's not hard to understand, except for you. You're a fool and have **** for brains.
FYI, I've had people on ignore for quite some time and it has never timed out.
Here's the problem with your argument: Obama was disliked by 57% of the population in 2012. He won.FLBear5630 said:Trump is DOA in a General Election. What you say may be true about the GOP losing, but Trump has no shot of winning a General. He is too flawed and disliked by 55% of the electorate. His only shot is low turnout and if he runs it will be record setting. May be time for a new Party, not the first time in our history. But the GOP looks about done if Trump is standard bearer and represents the best shot.Doc Holliday said:
Do some of yall not realize that Trump lost the presidency by 22,500 votes across 3 states combined?
Every candidate running is going to get about 10M less votes than Trump did in 2020. Nobody stands a chance against Democrats other than Trump right now. You may not like it, but it's the truth of the situation.
Voters vote for people they don't particularly like ALL the time.
Voters vote for the lesser of two evils ALL the time.
One is a higher quality choice than the other.FLBear5630 said:We are down to how the vote breaks on:4th and Inches said:Biden is running almost the identical 55% disapproval rating in recent polls on 538.FLBear5630 said:Trump is DOA in a General Election. What you say may be true about the GOP losing, but Trump has no shot of winning a General. He is too flawed and disliked by 55% of the electorate. His only shot is low turnout and if he runs it will be record setting. May be time for a new Party, not the first time in our history. But the GOP looks about done if Trump is standard bearer and represents the best shot.Doc Holliday said:
Do some of yall not realize that Trump lost the presidency by 22,500 votes across 3 states combined?
Every candidate running is going to get about 10M less votes than Trump did in 2020. Nobody stands a chance against Democrats other than Trump right now. You may not like it, but it's the truth of the situation.
Will the Trump-haters still vote for him over ****ty Biden?
Will those that think Biden sucks still vote for him over ******* Trump?
Nice to have quality choices.
Not that I think this is likely in a world of junk mail ballots but "If neither candidate gets a majority of the 538 electoral votes, the election for President is decided in the House of Representatives, with each state delegation having one vote. A majority of states (26) is needed to win. Senators would elect the Vice-President, with each Senator having a vote. A majority of Senators (51) is needed to win"
Are the House and Senate limited to choosing between declared candidates and their VP choices who have garnered electoral votes or can they install anyone they choose?
Are the House and Senate limited to choosing between declared candidates and their VP choices who have garnered electoral votes or can they install anyone they choose?
Solid take. Except for the next to last sentence. Trump isn't significantly more flawed than anyone here. Haley, his likely VP choice, is flawed as well.
Ron DeSantis is the most effective governor in the country, turned a swing-state into a red state, and uniquely marries Donald Trump's fighting spirit with a discipline and focus on effective governing that Trump doesn't have. He would be a terrific president. Better than we…
— Jeremy Boreing (@JeremyDBoreing) January 21, 2024
Ok, time to go to neutral corners...Oldbear83 said:
Mothra: "What poster have I attacked personally the last 10 days?
The answer is none.
I could care less about your snarky responses. I just find it hilarious you complain about mine, when you engage in the same type of communications."
Well, let's just see what the last 2 weeks of this thread shows us:
Me, January 7, 1221 PM (page 71)
"In any conviction of Trump, the appeals process would be delayed until after the election."
Statement of fact, no attacks
Mothra, January 8, 1035 AM (page 71)
"I will believe it when I see it on election day." (in response to a poll showing Trump leading by 10 points over Biden with Independents)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 11, 1000 AM (page 71)
"Agreed it is a losing battle. The Trump train on the Republican side is just too strong. So we are stuck with Trump as the Republican candidate, and then another 4 years of Biden after Trump gets smoked in 2024." (replying to Whiterock)
Statement of opinion and assumption
Mothra, January 11, 1034 AM (page 71)
"Meh. When it comes down to it, Americans will turn out the vote for Biden over Trump, despite everyone's lack of excitement for Biden. Wait and see." (replying to Whiterock)
Statement of opinion and assumption
Mothra, January 11, 1038 AM (page 72)
"Too many of the bumpkins think only Trump can save the country. There is a cult of personality surrounding him by a less educated segment of the party.
He's also benefited greatly by being out of the limelight, at least by Trump standards. We don't see him saying stupid and absurd things on TV as much as we used to. But when his quotes and comments start getting more play once he's finally the nominee, he will remind all of those independents who were on the fence why they could never vote for him." (replying to Kaibear)
Insults Trump supporters, followed by statement of opinion and assumption
Mothra, January 11, 252 PM (page 72)
"As I said above, I will believe it when I see it. When he's the actual nominee, I don't believe for a second Trump can beat Biden. Despite the Dems and middle class's dissatisfaction with Biden, I have no doubt they will pull the trigger for him again when it comes down to a binary choice between Trump and Biden." (replying to 4th and inches)
Statement of opinion and assumption
Me, January 11, 721 PM (page 72)
"Trump proved he can win back in 2016
Trump proved he can fall apart back in 2020
Biden proved a second term of Trump is worlds better for the United States than a second term of Biden
DeSantis proved he is a good, solid governor but is a piss-poor national campaigner
Vivek proved he has the heart we need, but he's not ready to be President
The mainstream media, as always, proved they have no morals or intelligence, not to mention critical thinking skills.
Whatever happens, it's going to mean a lot of angry folks. Some of whom matter."
Statement of fact and opinion.
Mothra, January 12, 842 AM (page 72)
"So some MAGA dudes have a youtube channel wherein they opine Trump is "more presidential than ever," and I hate to see it?
Well, damn, if some youtuber is saying it, I am convinced Trump is going to be our Lord and Savior!" (replying to muddybrazos)
Insulting to Trump voters, condescending
Mothra, January 12, 846 AM
"Agree that none of them had a chance with MAGA and the Trump sycophants. But I respect them for at least trying to help the GOP win the election.
As it stands now, we are going to have another 4 years of Biden. But hey, who knows? Maybe Trump can pull it out in 2028 (if he's still alive)." (replying to Redbrickbear)
Insulting to Trump supporters, notably ignored that 'MAGA' was a Reagan creation, followed by statement of opinion
Mothra, January 12, 849 AM (page 72)
"Trump executed well? LOL. Come on now. We all know Trump could have killed a family of four and he'd still be the nominee.
To be honest, I am surprised that Haley has made it as close as she has. Undoubtedly, Trump's continued absurd and ridiculous comments are driving the middle-of-the-roaders to her.
Won't be Trump/DeSantis or Trump/Haley.
Going to be Trump/Sycophant - one of the kiss ups in Congress or at the state level. Doubtful serious candidates will want that kind of baggage when Trump loses." (replying to whiterock)
Angry rant, nothing more.
Mothra, January 12, 850 AM (page 72)
"Of course he does. His sycophants could never be accused of thinking rationally." (replying to Kaibear)
Insults Trump voters, no substance
Mothra, January 12, 1005 AM (page 73)
"I've liked Vivek's reasonable takes as of late.
Unfortunately, this is not one of them." (replying to Jack Bauer)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 12, 1048 AM (page 73)
"Sure it can. We have one of the least-informed electorates in the world. As a nation, we are near dead last in terms of our education system, when compared to other Western nations. Like it or not, we are a society of very ill-informed voters, and that exists all across the spectrum. You call that mean-spirited. I call it just stating the obvious. I suspect you wouldn't have a problem at all with me calling those on the left ill-informed.
Now, that's not to say that people cannot identify with and connect with Trump, and what he was purportedly trying to do with his presidency. Hell, I liked the outsider perspective, and no-nonsense he brought to the table. I liked the non-interventionist approach, the crackdown on illegal immigration (somewhat) and calling out China. But at some point, the excess baggage and lack of results should be a stark reminder for MAGA that Trump is not the answer. He had his shot, and failed.
Trump has a cult of personality surrounding him among MAGA. That is a problem that most conservatives should be able to recognize, you included." (replying to Redbrickbear)
Statement of opinion, with implied insult toward Redbrickbear
Mothra, January 12, 1049 AM (page 73)
"I think Trump/Noem is by far the most likely scenario. He has repeatedly praised her, and Noem has stayed away from criticizing Trump." (replying to Whiskey Pete)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 12, 1212 PM (page 73)
"While I didn't like any of those candidates, calling them madmen is a bit of a stretch, don't you think? None of them were as unstable as our last commander-in-chief. And none of them had a cult of personality surrounding them.
Problem with Trump is he failed and lied as well. Spent like a drunk liberal, and failed for the most part on the vast majority of his campaign promises (see the border wall).
I certainly understand the attraction to Trump. I like the same things about him that you and the rest of MAGA did. But at some point, one has to face reality." (replying to redbrickbear)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 12, 550 PM (page 73)
"You must not read my posts. I have repeatedly gone on record as saying I likewise voted for Trump twice, and will vote for him again if he's the nominee because despite my disappointment with him, as a conservative, he's better than the alternative.
If you will read my posts a little closer, you will see I have never said don't vote for him if he's the nominee. I've said we (conservatives) need to move on from him as a candidate, as the guy will not win, despite the fact he will receive my vote if he's the nominee.
So no, I don't consider your parents (or myself) idiots or rubes by voting for the lesser of the evil. The rubes and idiots are those who will support the guy no matter what, and over candidates who are far better than Trump (see DeSantis). Those are the real rubes." (replying to Redbrickbear)
Implied insult toward Redbrickbear, otherwise belligerent opinion consistent with prior rants as noted here
Mothra, January 13, 1239 PM (page 74)
"I've never said anything of the sort. As I said, the guy could kill a family' of four and people such as yourself would still support him.
When he's convicted it won't make a lick of difference for the sycophants and certainly won't "do him in." No he won't win the general election, but that was never going to happen anyway.
I have no doubt trump will be the nominee and get his ass kicked once again, regardless of whatever happens in his various trials." (replying to whiterock)
Belligerent statement of opinion, more insults toward Trump supporters
Mothra, January 13, 1246 PM (page 74)
"Should conservatives just grin and bear disastrous policies that will do irreversible damage until there's a candidate who checks all the boxes? Is it truly better to put a liberal in power than a conservative we may not like but can live with?
Let's be honest Sam. Your thought process long preceded the trump election. I've never understood the logic behind it." (replying to Sam Lowry)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 13, 531 PM
"We don't agree often but we agree on this." (replying to Porteroso)
Agreeing with insult towards Trump supporters, that statement implying Trump should be disqualified from running
Mothra, January 15, 100 PM (page 74)
"...those who will no longer vote for Trump.
Ann's right again." (replying to Ann Coulter quote by Redbrickbear)
Statement of opinion
Me, January 15, 217 PM (page 75)
"Ann is completely wrong ... Again.
Hate him all you want, but Trump has mojo and that means votes.
Historians are gonna puzzle over this coming election for along time after." (in reply to Mothra)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 15, 403 PM (page 75)
"Agreed. Polling is quite different when the rubber meets the road." (replying to 4th and inches)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 15, 406 PM (page 75)
"I wish you were right, but I am afraid you're going to be disappointed. Again.
Watch and see. Trump as the nominee will assure another Biden victory.
I will try not to say I told you so." (replying to me)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 16, 924 AM (page 75)
"Oh, Vivek. You start saying reasonable things that I can get behind, and then you go on Infowars of all places and say this. SMH." (replying to boognish bear, about candidate Vivek R.)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 16, 925 AM (page 75)
"In other words, the dumb people vote for Trump. There's a shocker." (replying to poll posted by boognish bear)
Insults Trump voters, otherwise statement of opinion
Mothra, January 16, 928 AM (page 75)
"There simply is no getting around the cult of personality.
I appreciate that DeSantis tried. But it's going to be Trump again for the loss.
Let's just hope he's dead and buried come 2028." (replying to Redbrickbear)
Insults Trump voters, otherwise statement of opinion
Mothra, January 16, 1002 AM (page 75)
"Couldn't agree more with Rod. He nails it." (replying to Redbrickbear quoting Rod Dreher)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 16, 1038 AM (page 76)
"Yup, or at least for a spot in Trump's cabinet." (replying to 4th and inches about Vivek R. leaving the race)
Statement of opinion
Me, January 16, 306 PM (page 76)
"So, you think insulting tens of millions of voters is how you win them over to your opinion?" (question for Mothra)
Response to the flood of insults towards Trump supporters by Mothra
Mothra, January 16, 344 PM (page 76)
"No. I am not trying to win anyone over. Trump as nominee is a foregone conclusion.
Just stating the facts, and explaining why so many will be disappointed. Couldn't care less if they hurt Trump supporters feelings." (replying to me)
Statement of opinion
Me, January 16, 513 PM (page 76)
"That's one really weak excuse you have there, Mothra." (replying to Mothra)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 16, 615 PM (page 76)
"Did I make an excuse? If so, that wasn't my intention. I couldn't care less what Trump's sycophants think, nor am I afraid of offending them, as you are." (replying to me)
Implied insult
Me, January 16, 1124 PM (page 76)
"Well, if you don't mind acting like an ass, you do you." (replying to Mothra)
Insult, but in response to an insult
Mothra, January 17, 658 AM (page 77)
"Well, to be fair, when has that ever stopped you?" (replying to me)
Repeating insult
Mothra, January 17, 700 AM (page 77)
"My thought when reading this was, I suspect that's how those who supported Hitler felt." (replying to Sam Lowry)
Insults Trump supporters
Me, January 17, 1041 AM (page 77)
"But you're cool with Biden and his policies." (replying to Sam Lowry)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 18, 852 AM (page 77)
"If he was actually instituting policies to help them, that would be one thing. But instead he appeals to their basest emotions. I am not sure that's a good thing." (replying to whiterock)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 18, 950 AM (page 77)
"While I think they're more frightened by the prospect of a Trump presidency, make no mistake - their best chance of winning is Trump running, not Haley or DeSantis. Saw an article on it a few days ago in the NYT. Insiders on Biden's team are saying the same thing.
Recent polls show it would be a closer race if it's Trump vs Biden as opposed to Haley or DeSantis vs. Biden, who should beat Biden more easily. I just posted one from a few days ago. Our best chance of losing in 2024 is running Trump (and we will lose if it's him - wait and see)." (replying to whiterock)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 18, 1050 AM (page 77)
"BTW, here is another recent poll showing Trump losing to Biden.
Again.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-suffers-double-polling-blow-1861753" (replying to whiterock
Using left-leaning magazine to support claim Trump is losing in polls
Mothra, January 18, 1230 PM (page 77)
"Well, except that Haley and DeSantis have been polling better than Trump for weeks.
No doubt it will be another close election (loss, IMO) if it's Trump. But give me a candidate who can soundly beat Biden, instead of a retread loser who hasn't won a thing since 2016." (replying to 4th and inches)
Statement of opinion, contrasts RCP averages and most published polls
Me, January 18, 114 PM (page 77)
"Where exactly have DeSantis and Haley been polling ahead of Trump?" (replying to Mothra)
Challenges claim
Mothra, January 18, 114 PM (page 77)
"Read the link in the post about 5 posts above mine, as well as the separate thread I started that includes another poll that says the same thing.
https://sicem365.com/forums/7/topics/134912
I've posted 2-3 others over the last couple of months as well."
Doubles down in Newsweek, statement of opinion
Mothra, January 18, 206 PM (page 77)
"Yeah, I thought that was clear based on what we were discussing, but he may have misunderstood." (replying to 4th and inches)
Comment
Me, January 18, 646 PM (page 77)
"So you found one or two you like.
Sorry Clark, that does not make your statement true, as there are far more polls showing Trump in firm command.
Bottom line is that while DeSantis has governed well and Haley sometimes makes points, they are both piss-poor campaigners." (replying to Mothra)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 18, 1118 PM (page 78)
"So I post two polls and reference several others that say DeSantis and Haley would perform better against Biden in a general election and your only retort is "sorry Clark that doesn't make it true?"
Lol. Classic Oldbear - putting his fingers in his ears and screaming really loudly. You're a hoot.
Tell you what, I'll give you a chance to prove your snarky point. Cite those many polls in the last couple of months that have Trump performing so much better against Biden than Haley and DeSantis in a general election. Should be pretty easy since you claim they're so many.
I'll hang up and listen."
Belligerent and insulting.
Mothra, January 18, 1120 PM (page 78)
"More likely scenario is Trump is the nominee and wets the bed. Again." (replying to Whiskey Pete)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 19, 740 AM (page 78)
"Here's another:
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/09/haley-electability-trump-biden-polls-00130926
Eh, but what does the Wall Street Journal know, eh Clark?" (replying to me)
Comment, uses poll from last year
Mothra, January 19, 743 AM (page 78)
"And another...
https://law.marquette.edu/poll/2023/11/08/marquette-law-school-poll-survey-of-wisconsin-finds-biden-leads-trump-by-2-points-trails-desantis-and-haley/" (replying to me)
Comment, uses poll from last year
Me, January 19, 611 PM (page 78)
"I'm glad you are having fun, Mothra. But you continue to cherry-pick polls, and that won't go where you seem to think.
As for your last line, it would be nice if you started listening, but I won't hold my breath."
Statement of opinion, implied insult
Me, January 20, 108 PM (page 79)
"I reject your rules, Kai.
First off, the adults in the room understand this is not a simple situation. Like Whiskey Pete, I support DeSantis, but like him and others I recognize Trump right now has command of the primary race and leading in most polls against Biden, making Trump relevant to any discussion.
Second, the clearly partisan nature of the Lawfare being waged against Trump will certainly be taken into consideration by the appellate courts, so no conviction will be enforced prior to the general election in November. Further, polls have consistently shown that most voters not psychopathically committed to Biden consider the legal attacks on Trump to be political, and this is a big part of Trump's support among Independents. There is no reason to believe that support will evaporate just because the cases produce predicted verdicts.
The sound course for voters, in my opinion and others, is to support your preferred candidate in the primaries, and to vote for the GOP nominee in the November election. Anything else is morally dishonest." (replying to KaiBear, specifically that I answer in one word)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 20, 117 PM (page 79)
"I invite you to post evidence in support of your position, but as we all know you have difficulty backing up your bull**** and would just rather yell at the clouds."
Direct and unprovoked insult
Me, January 20, 122 PM (page 79)
"Actually, what we all know is that I use reason and evidence all the time. I stopped with you because you resorted to personal insults like that one to ignore the facts." (replying to Mothra)
Statement of fact
Mothra, January 20, 140 PM (page 79)
"You might be the least self aware poster on these boards. You regularly personally attack others and most of your posts are conclusory in nature - with little to no evidence to support same. This thread is a perfect example. You attacked me personally when I posted a number of polls that disagreed with your assumptions, and then when you were invited to cite some evidence to support your positions you failed and refused to do so.
You're the proverbial old man who yells at the clouds on these boards. It's rare when you make a cogent argument.
I'll vote for trump over the alternative but the idea there is some general consensus that he's the best candidate to beat Biden is complete and total horse ***** Pretty much all of the evidence suggests otherwise."
Multiple direct insults, plus false accusation
Me, January 20, 156 PM (page 79)
"More personal attacks. All you got, then." (replying to Mothra)
Observation
Mothra, January 20, 220 PM (page 79)
"SMH. Saying your personally attack others is a personal attack.
Oy vey." (replying to me)
Repeats false claim
Me, January 20, 237 PM (page 79)
"Look at your last several posts, you literally cannot post without the same tired, stale 'old man yells at clouds' lie.
Ironic in particular since you are the angry one here, mad just because Trump still leads in most of the polls, and you blow up whenever someone mentions it, even forgetting that I and others support non-Trump candidates: we just won't ignore Reality because our guy is losing." (replying to Mothra)
Foolishly attempts reason with Mothra
Me, January 20, 806 PM (page 79)
"Another argument which depends heavily on insults and arrogance, while ignoring the point.
So let's try this again:
Trump may win or he may lose in November if he wins the GOP nomination, but the polls have constantly shown he has support among Independents, he absolutely can win.
{ should not have to do this, but because any defense of Trump is considered evidence of somehow wanting Trump to win the nomination - I want DESANTIS to win the nomination, but this is about the BS by the people working hard for Biden by lying about the facts}
Roughly seventy million people voted for Trump in 2020, so pretending he doesn't have a lot of support is a stupid lie. The polls have shown Trump in front not only of his GOP opponents but also Biden for a long time now, and he seems to be gaining among minorities and independents. We can argue about why this is happening, but it's dumb to pretend it's not happening."
(replying to Kaibear)
Statement of fact and opinion
Me, January 20, 834 PM (page 79)
"Whiskey Pete (to the Hate-Trump crowd)
"Now, why can't you get that through your thick head?"
Because for them, they must hate Trump more than loving their country." (replying to Whiskey Pete)
Statement of opinion
Me, January 20, 846 PM (page 79)
"Only the sane believe Trump can win." (replying to Kaibear)
Statement of opinion
Me, January 20, 857 PM (page 79)
"The polls have generally been right except for 2016. They consistently show Trump winning if he gets the nomination.
Hard to understand why you cannot accept that fact." (replying to Kaibear)
Statement of fact and opinion
Me, January 20, 952 PM (page 79)
"Just read what I already posted. Lord knows I have been clear." (replying to Kaibear)
Observation
Me, January 20, 1057 PM (page 79)
"Actually, I gave you a clear answer. The arrogance comes from demanding I say things in the way you want, and refusing to accept a plain response that does not please you." (replying to Kaibear)
Responds to insult with reason.
Mothra, January 21, 1034 AM (page 80)
"For me at least, it's not your defense of Trump that causes me to say you are a Trumpster. It's ignoring ample evidence that he is not the guy who is best equipped to defeat the Democrat nominee that causes me to question your motives.
When you just completely ignore a number of polls that show both of the other contenders soundly beating Biden - as you have done on this thread - or just completely and obtusely blow it off, it should be no surprise that people question your allegiances.
Some polls show Trump with a miniscule lead over Biden in a hypothetical matchup, others don't. I saw one yesterday in PA - a state that Trump essentially has to win to have a chance to win the presidency - that has Biden with a small lead. But what is clear is that polls as of late show that Haley and DeSantis both have a much more commanding lead over Biden in a hypothetical matchup. It's a shame you want to ignore that evidence." (replying to me)
Statement of opinion, continues false accusations and again ignores I prefer DeSantis, repeats unsupported assertion.
Mothra, January 21, 1036 AM (page 80)
"Do you not recall how this exchange started? Do you think you played no role in how we got here? You're the poster who started with the personal attacks, my friend.
This is what I mean when I say you have a massive blind spot." (replying to me)
Repeats false accusation, ignores his own series of insults.
Mothra, January 21, 1040 AM (page 80)
"That's my only point - polls show Haley and DeSantis are the better matchup. But alas, we will never know for certain, since we all know it's going to be Trump.
I have little hope Trump can win in another matchup with Biden, once he gets more airtime, and is the sole focus. He has benefited from not being completely in the limelight (similar to Biden being in the basement in 2020). But if he engages in debates, and starts getting more airtime, I suspect he reminds all of those who considered voting for him why they will vote (once again) for Biden. Coulter is going to be right on this one." (replying to whiterock)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 21, 1043 AM (page 80)
"I am not sure if it was that as much as him coming under attack from Trump and his minions, accusing him of being a lib in sheep's clothing. It was a ridiculous and false attack of course - not that that matters to the Trumpsters. I had at least two, not so bright, Trump supporters who told me that very thing. There's no reasoning with them. If Trump says it, it's essentially God saying it in their minds.
2024 is going to be a total **** show. It actually scares me for our country." (replying to Realitybites)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 21, 1046 AM (page 80)
"This is just a total fabrication." (replying to my note that Trump has a lead in most polls)
Statement of opinion, and frankly a bitter denial of Reality
Mothra, January 21, 1050 AM (page 80)
"I think you are right on this. You have to be a bombastic self-aggrandizing blowhard nowdays to win elections. DeSantis is too reasoned in his messaging. He needs to sprinkle in some juvenile name calling. That's what resonates in the day of social media and reality TV.
God help us. We are ****ed." (replying to 4th and inches)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 21, 1053 AM (page 80)
"Oh, I completely agree with this. Our electorate is composed of idiots (see my post above), as you suggested above. I have no question that the will of our uneducated electorate is Trump. I am merely lamenting that fact. It is what it is.
And those dumbasses who are voting Trump in the primary are going to be shocked and claiming fraud when Trump loses (again). Hopefully there are no riots this time.
My only consolation is Trump will likely be dead in 2028. Otherwise, God help us." (replying to 4th and inches)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 21, 1106 AM (page 80)
"Consistently would suggest all of the polls show a Trump win. Just yesterday, a PA poll came out with Trump losing.
The key is the battleground states. Whether Trump has increased his lead in Texas is irrelevant.
It's just not going to happen, IMO. As I said above, Trump getting more airtime is a terrible thing. Him being the only nominee is likewise a bad thing. Just wait and see how he's polling come Autumn.
Could I be wrong? Sure, and I hope I am. As I have said consistently, anything is preferable to Biden. But I suspect I won't be wrong, and we are going to be asking ourselves how we lost yet another election to the current geriatric commander-in-chief (when we already know the answer)." (replying to 4th and inches)
Statement of opinion
Me, January 21, 1120 AM (page 80)
"DeSantis. Said that months ago." (replying to FLBear5630)
Answered question
Me, January 21, 1121 AM (page 80)
"No, it's just reporting the polls." (replying to Mothra)
Confirming source
Me, January 21, 1123 AM (page 80)
"If you believe I engaged in personal attacks and they are bad, why have you committed to them in pretty much every one of your posts in the last ten days or so?
You wanna talk about blind spots, check the mirror first." (replying to Mothra)
Statement of fact
Mothra, January 21, 305 PM (page 80)
"What poster have I attacked personally the last 10 days?
The answer is none.
I could care less about your snarky responses. I just find it hilarious you complain about mine, when you engage in the same type of communications." (replying to me)
False claims and false claim to innocence
Mothra, January 21, 308 PM (page 80)
"Source?
The idea that nobody stands a chance against Biden other than Trump is a bunch of bull**** put out there by the Trumpsters, when the polls show just the opposite.
Trump hasn't won anything since 2016, when he caught lightning in a bottle. Stop drinking the Trump Kool-Aid." (replying to Doc Holliday)
Belligerent statement of opinion
Mothra, January 21, 310 PM (page 81)
"Except it's not." (replying to my observation of source)
Denial and nothing but
Mothra, January 21, 316 PM (page 81)
"And endorsed Trump. Will be interesting to see what happens with the VP pick. I previously thought there's no way in hell he's be a VP but who knows?
Still think Trump will get his ass kicked again, but could make things more interesting." (replying to 4th and inches)
Statement of opinion
What all this tells us is
A) You spend a lot of effort and time making noise on this thread
B) You have posted more insults than anyone else in this thread, and when someone does insult you, it's in response to your provocation
C) You fall back on false accusations when I point out point B
D) You probably would be much happier to take a break from politics, it seems to bring out your worst traits
Seriously, you need to chill.
We do not disagree there. Trump, as flawed as he is as a candidate, is a better choice than Biden by orders of magnitude.whiterock said:One is a higher quality choice than the other.FLBear5630 said:We are down to how the vote breaks on:4th and Inches said:Biden is running almost the identical 55% disapproval rating in recent polls on 538.FLBear5630 said:Trump is DOA in a General Election. What you say may be true about the GOP losing, but Trump has no shot of winning a General. He is too flawed and disliked by 55% of the electorate. His only shot is low turnout and if he runs it will be record setting. May be time for a new Party, not the first time in our history. But the GOP looks about done if Trump is standard bearer and represents the best shot.Doc Holliday said:
Do some of yall not realize that Trump lost the presidency by 22,500 votes across 3 states combined?
Every candidate running is going to get about 10M less votes than Trump did in 2020. Nobody stands a chance against Democrats other than Trump right now. You may not like it, but it's the truth of the situation.
Will the Trump-haters still vote for him over ****ty Biden?
Will those that think Biden sucks still vote for him over ******* Trump?
Nice to have quality choices.
We are fast reaching a point where, like it or not, Trump will be the nominee before Super Tuesday. Got to hand it to him, he masterfully played the media and social media to make it a non-race before the race even began.
All I can say, is I really hope you guys are right...
Doc Holliday said:Polling doesn't show that.Mothra said:Source?Doc Holliday said:
Do some of yall not realize that Trump lost the presidency by 22,500 votes across 3 states combined?
Every candidate running is going to get about 10M less votes than Trump did in 2020. Nobody stands a chance against Democrats other than Trump right now. You may not like it, but it's the truth of the situation.
The idea that nobody stands a chance against Biden other than Trump is a bunch of bull**** put out there by the Trumpsters, when the polls show just the opposite.
Trump hasn't won anything since 2016, when he caught lightning in a bottle. Stop drinking the Trump Kool-Aid.
MAGA, libertarians and republicans who don't vote for establishment candidates will not vote for an establishment candidate like Haley. She will not garner millions of their votes.
You serious, Clark? Are you actually reading this thread? I just posted 4 recent polls a couple of pages ago that show just that. Trump is polling worse than they are against Biden.
Sorry, but that is exactly what the polls show, Trumpster. DeSantis and Haley are both polling better than Trump against Biden.
Repubs have to win more than just MAGA and Republicans to win a general. 2016 and 2020 both proved that.
Get ready to lose again.
Oldbear83 said:
Mothra: "What poster have I attacked personally the last 10 days?
The answer is none.
I could care less about your snarky responses. I just find it hilarious you complain about mine, when you engage in the same type of communications."
Well, let's just see what the last 2 weeks of this thread shows us:
Me, January 7, 1221 PM (page 71)
"In any conviction of Trump, the appeals process would be delayed until after the election."
Statement of fact, no attacks
Mothra, January 8, 1035 AM (page 71)
"I will believe it when I see it on election day." (in response to a poll showing Trump leading by 10 points over Biden with Independents)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 11, 1000 AM (page 71)
"Agreed it is a losing battle. The Trump train on the Republican side is just too strong. So we are stuck with Trump as the Republican candidate, and then another 4 years of Biden after Trump gets smoked in 2024." (replying to Whiterock)
Statement of opinion and assumption
Mothra, January 11, 1034 AM (page 71)
"Meh. When it comes down to it, Americans will turn out the vote for Biden over Trump, despite everyone's lack of excitement for Biden. Wait and see." (replying to Whiterock)
Statement of opinion and assumption
Mothra, January 11, 1038 AM (page 72)
"Too many of the bumpkins think only Trump can save the country. There is a cult of personality surrounding him by a less educated segment of the party.
He's also benefited greatly by being out of the limelight, at least by Trump standards. We don't see him saying stupid and absurd things on TV as much as we used to. But when his quotes and comments start getting more play once he's finally the nominee, he will remind all of those independents who were on the fence why they could never vote for him." (replying to Kaibear)
Insults Trump supporters, followed by statement of opinion and assumption
Mothra, January 11, 252 PM (page 72)
"As I said above, I will believe it when I see it. When he's the actual nominee, I don't believe for a second Trump can beat Biden. Despite the Dems and middle class's dissatisfaction with Biden, I have no doubt they will pull the trigger for him again when it comes down to a binary choice between Trump and Biden." (replying to 4th and inches)
Statement of opinion and assumption
Me, January 11, 721 PM (page 72)
"Trump proved he can win back in 2016
Trump proved he can fall apart back in 2020
Biden proved a second term of Trump is worlds better for the United States than a second term of Biden
DeSantis proved he is a good, solid governor but is a piss-poor national campaigner
Vivek proved he has the heart we need, but he's not ready to be President
The mainstream media, as always, proved they have no morals or intelligence, not to mention critical thinking skills.
Whatever happens, it's going to mean a lot of angry folks. Some of whom matter."
Statement of fact and opinion.
Mothra, January 12, 842 AM (page 72)
"So some MAGA dudes have a youtube channel wherein they opine Trump is "more presidential than ever," and I hate to see it?
Well, damn, if some youtuber is saying it, I am convinced Trump is going to be our Lord and Savior!" (replying to muddybrazos)
Insulting to Trump voters, condescending
Mothra, January 12, 846 AM
"Agree that none of them had a chance with MAGA and the Trump sycophants. But I respect them for at least trying to help the GOP win the election.
As it stands now, we are going to have another 4 years of Biden. But hey, who knows? Maybe Trump can pull it out in 2028 (if he's still alive)." (replying to Redbrickbear)
Insulting to Trump supporters, notably ignored that 'MAGA' was a Reagan creation, followed by statement of opinion
Mothra, January 12, 849 AM (page 72)
"Trump executed well? LOL. Come on now. We all know Trump could have killed a family of four and he'd still be the nominee.
To be honest, I am surprised that Haley has made it as close as she has. Undoubtedly, Trump's continued absurd and ridiculous comments are driving the middle-of-the-roaders to her.
Won't be Trump/DeSantis or Trump/Haley.
Going to be Trump/Sycophant - one of the kiss ups in Congress or at the state level. Doubtful serious candidates will want that kind of baggage when Trump loses." (replying to whiterock)
Angry rant, nothing more.
Mothra, January 12, 850 AM (page 72)
"Of course he does. His sycophants could never be accused of thinking rationally." (replying to Kaibear)
Insults Trump voters, no substance
Mothra, January 12, 1005 AM (page 73)
"I've liked Vivek's reasonable takes as of late.
Unfortunately, this is not one of them." (replying to Jack Bauer)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 12, 1048 AM (page 73)
"Sure it can. We have one of the least-informed electorates in the world. As a nation, we are near dead last in terms of our education system, when compared to other Western nations. Like it or not, we are a society of very ill-informed voters, and that exists all across the spectrum. You call that mean-spirited. I call it just stating the obvious. I suspect you wouldn't have a problem at all with me calling those on the left ill-informed.
Now, that's not to say that people cannot identify with and connect with Trump, and what he was purportedly trying to do with his presidency. Hell, I liked the outsider perspective, and no-nonsense he brought to the table. I liked the non-interventionist approach, the crackdown on illegal immigration (somewhat) and calling out China. But at some point, the excess baggage and lack of results should be a stark reminder for MAGA that Trump is not the answer. He had his shot, and failed.
Trump has a cult of personality surrounding him among MAGA. That is a problem that most conservatives should be able to recognize, you included." (replying to Redbrickbear)
Statement of opinion, with implied insult toward Redbrickbear
Mothra, January 12, 1049 AM (page 73)
"I think Trump/Noem is by far the most likely scenario. He has repeatedly praised her, and Noem has stayed away from criticizing Trump." (replying to Whiskey Pete)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 12, 1212 PM (page 73)
"While I didn't like any of those candidates, calling them madmen is a bit of a stretch, don't you think? None of them were as unstable as our last commander-in-chief. And none of them had a cult of personality surrounding them.
Problem with Trump is he failed and lied as well. Spent like a drunk liberal, and failed for the most part on the vast majority of his campaign promises (see the border wall).
I certainly understand the attraction to Trump. I like the same things about him that you and the rest of MAGA did. But at some point, one has to face reality." (replying to redbrickbear)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 12, 550 PM (page 73)
"You must not read my posts. I have repeatedly gone on record as saying I likewise voted for Trump twice, and will vote for him again if he's the nominee because despite my disappointment with him, as a conservative, he's better than the alternative.
If you will read my posts a little closer, you will see I have never said don't vote for him if he's the nominee. I've said we (conservatives) need to move on from him as a candidate, as the guy will not win, despite the fact he will receive my vote if he's the nominee.
So no, I don't consider your parents (or myself) idiots or rubes by voting for the lesser of the evil. The rubes and idiots are those who will support the guy no matter what, and over candidates who are far better than Trump (see DeSantis). Those are the real rubes." (replying to Redbrickbear)
Implied insult toward Redbrickbear, otherwise belligerent opinion consistent with prior rants as noted here
Mothra, January 13, 1239 PM (page 74)
"I've never said anything of the sort. As I said, the guy could kill a family' of four and people such as yourself would still support him.
When he's convicted it won't make a lick of difference for the sycophants and certainly won't "do him in." No he won't win the general election, but that was never going to happen anyway.
I have no doubt trump will be the nominee and get his ass kicked once again, regardless of whatever happens in his various trials." (replying to whiterock)
Belligerent statement of opinion, more insults toward Trump supporters
Mothra, January 13, 1246 PM (page 74)
"Should conservatives just grin and bear disastrous policies that will do irreversible damage until there's a candidate who checks all the boxes? Is it truly better to put a liberal in power than a conservative we may not like but can live with?
Let's be honest Sam. Your thought process long preceded the trump election. I've never understood the logic behind it." (replying to Sam Lowry)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 13, 531 PM
"We don't agree often but we agree on this." (replying to Porteroso)
Agreeing with insult towards Trump supporters, that statement implying Trump should be disqualified from running
Mothra, January 15, 100 PM (page 74)
"...those who will no longer vote for Trump.
Ann's right again." (replying to Ann Coulter quote by Redbrickbear)
Statement of opinion
Me, January 15, 217 PM (page 75)
"Ann is completely wrong ... Again.
Hate him all you want, but Trump has mojo and that means votes.
Historians are gonna puzzle over this coming election for along time after." (in reply to Mothra)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 15, 403 PM (page 75)
"Agreed. Polling is quite different when the rubber meets the road." (replying to 4th and inches)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 15, 406 PM (page 75)
"I wish you were right, but I am afraid you're going to be disappointed. Again.
Watch and see. Trump as the nominee will assure another Biden victory.
I will try not to say I told you so." (replying to me)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 16, 924 AM (page 75)
"Oh, Vivek. You start saying reasonable things that I can get behind, and then you go on Infowars of all places and say this. SMH." (replying to boognish bear, about candidate Vivek R.)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 16, 925 AM (page 75)
"In other words, the dumb people vote for Trump. There's a shocker." (replying to poll posted by boognish bear)
Insults Trump voters, otherwise statement of opinion
Mothra, January 16, 928 AM (page 75)
"There simply is no getting around the cult of personality.
I appreciate that DeSantis tried. But it's going to be Trump again for the loss.
Let's just hope he's dead and buried come 2028." (replying to Redbrickbear)
Insults Trump voters, otherwise statement of opinion
Mothra, January 16, 1002 AM (page 75)
"Couldn't agree more with Rod. He nails it." (replying to Redbrickbear quoting Rod Dreher)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 16, 1038 AM (page 76)
"Yup, or at least for a spot in Trump's cabinet." (replying to 4th and inches about Vivek R. leaving the race)
Statement of opinion
Me, January 16, 306 PM (page 76)
"So, you think insulting tens of millions of voters is how you win them over to your opinion?" (question for Mothra)
Response to the flood of insults towards Trump supporters by Mothra
Mothra, January 16, 344 PM (page 76)
"No. I am not trying to win anyone over. Trump as nominee is a foregone conclusion.
Just stating the facts, and explaining why so many will be disappointed. Couldn't care less if they hurt Trump supporters feelings." (replying to me)
Statement of opinion
Me, January 16, 513 PM (page 76)
"That's one really weak excuse you have there, Mothra." (replying to Mothra)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 16, 615 PM (page 76)
"Did I make an excuse? If so, that wasn't my intention. I couldn't care less what Trump's sycophants think, nor am I afraid of offending them, as you are." (replying to me)
Implied insult
Me, January 16, 1124 PM (page 76)
"Well, if you don't mind acting like an ass, you do you." (replying to Mothra)
Insult, but in response to an insult
Mothra, January 17, 658 AM (page 77)
"Well, to be fair, when has that ever stopped you?" (replying to me)
Repeating insult
Mothra, January 17, 700 AM (page 77)
"My thought when reading this was, I suspect that's how those who supported Hitler felt." (replying to Sam Lowry)
Insults Trump supporters
Me, January 17, 1041 AM (page 77)
"But you're cool with Biden and his policies." (replying to Sam Lowry)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 18, 852 AM (page 77)
"If he was actually instituting policies to help them, that would be one thing. But instead he appeals to their basest emotions. I am not sure that's a good thing." (replying to whiterock)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 18, 950 AM (page 77)
"While I think they're more frightened by the prospect of a Trump presidency, make no mistake - their best chance of winning is Trump running, not Haley or DeSantis. Saw an article on it a few days ago in the NYT. Insiders on Biden's team are saying the same thing.
Recent polls show it would be a closer race if it's Trump vs Biden as opposed to Haley or DeSantis vs. Biden, who should beat Biden more easily. I just posted one from a few days ago. Our best chance of losing in 2024 is running Trump (and we will lose if it's him - wait and see)." (replying to whiterock)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 18, 1050 AM (page 77)
"BTW, here is another recent poll showing Trump losing to Biden.
Again.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-suffers-double-polling-blow-1861753" (replying to whiterock
Using left-leaning magazine to support claim Trump is losing in polls
Mothra, January 18, 1230 PM (page 77)
"Well, except that Haley and DeSantis have been polling better than Trump for weeks.
No doubt it will be another close election (loss, IMO) if it's Trump. But give me a candidate who can soundly beat Biden, instead of a retread loser who hasn't won a thing since 2016." (replying to 4th and inches)
Statement of opinion, contrasts RCP averages and most published polls
Me, January 18, 114 PM (page 77)
"Where exactly have DeSantis and Haley been polling ahead of Trump?" (replying to Mothra)
Challenges claim
Mothra, January 18, 114 PM (page 77)
"Read the link in the post about 5 posts above mine, as well as the separate thread I started that includes another poll that says the same thing.
https://sicem365.com/forums/7/topics/134912
I've posted 2-3 others over the last couple of months as well."
Doubles down in Newsweek, statement of opinion
Mothra, January 18, 206 PM (page 77)
"Yeah, I thought that was clear based on what we were discussing, but he may have misunderstood." (replying to 4th and inches)
Comment
Me, January 18, 646 PM (page 77)
"So you found one or two you like.
Sorry Clark, that does not make your statement true, as there are far more polls showing Trump in firm command.
Bottom line is that while DeSantis has governed well and Haley sometimes makes points, they are both piss-poor campaigners." (replying to Mothra)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 18, 1118 PM (page 78)
"So I post two polls and reference several others that say DeSantis and Haley would perform better against Biden in a general election and your only retort is "sorry Clark that doesn't make it true?"
Lol. Classic Oldbear - putting his fingers in his ears and screaming really loudly. You're a hoot.
Tell you what, I'll give you a chance to prove your snarky point. Cite those many polls in the last couple of months that have Trump performing so much better against Biden than Haley and DeSantis in a general election. Should be pretty easy since you claim they're so many.
I'll hang up and listen."
Belligerent and insulting.
Mothra, January 18, 1120 PM (page 78)
"More likely scenario is Trump is the nominee and wets the bed. Again." (replying to Whiskey Pete)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 19, 740 AM (page 78)
"Here's another:
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/09/haley-electability-trump-biden-polls-00130926
Eh, but what does the Wall Street Journal know, eh Clark?" (replying to me)
Comment, uses poll from last year
Mothra, January 19, 743 AM (page 78)
"And another...
https://law.marquette.edu/poll/2023/11/08/marquette-law-school-poll-survey-of-wisconsin-finds-biden-leads-trump-by-2-points-trails-desantis-and-haley/" (replying to me)
Comment, uses poll from last year
Me, January 19, 611 PM (page 78)
"I'm glad you are having fun, Mothra. But you continue to cherry-pick polls, and that won't go where you seem to think.
As for your last line, it would be nice if you started listening, but I won't hold my breath."
Statement of opinion, implied insult
Me, January 20, 108 PM (page 79)
"I reject your rules, Kai.
First off, the adults in the room understand this is not a simple situation. Like Whiskey Pete, I support DeSantis, but like him and others I recognize Trump right now has command of the primary race and leading in most polls against Biden, making Trump relevant to any discussion.
Second, the clearly partisan nature of the Lawfare being waged against Trump will certainly be taken into consideration by the appellate courts, so no conviction will be enforced prior to the general election in November. Further, polls have consistently shown that most voters not psychopathically committed to Biden consider the legal attacks on Trump to be political, and this is a big part of Trump's support among Independents. There is no reason to believe that support will evaporate just because the cases produce predicted verdicts.
The sound course for voters, in my opinion and others, is to support your preferred candidate in the primaries, and to vote for the GOP nominee in the November election. Anything else is morally dishonest." (replying to KaiBear, specifically that I answer in one word)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 20, 117 PM (page 79)
"I invite you to post evidence in support of your position, but as we all know you have difficulty backing up your bull**** and would just rather yell at the clouds."
Direct and unprovoked insult
Me, January 20, 122 PM (page 79)
"Actually, what we all know is that I use reason and evidence all the time. I stopped with you because you resorted to personal insults like that one to ignore the facts." (replying to Mothra)
Statement of fact
Mothra, January 20, 140 PM (page 79)
"You might be the least self aware poster on these boards. You regularly personally attack others and most of your posts are conclusory in nature - with little to no evidence to support same. This thread is a perfect example. You attacked me personally when I posted a number of polls that disagreed with your assumptions, and then when you were invited to cite some evidence to support your positions you failed and refused to do so.
You're the proverbial old man who yells at the clouds on these boards. It's rare when you make a cogent argument.
I'll vote for trump over the alternative but the idea there is some general consensus that he's the best candidate to beat Biden is complete and total horse ***** Pretty much all of the evidence suggests otherwise."
Multiple direct insults, plus false accusation
Me, January 20, 156 PM (page 79)
"More personal attacks. All you got, then." (replying to Mothra)
Observation
Mothra, January 20, 220 PM (page 79)
"SMH. Saying your personally attack others is a personal attack.
Oy vey." (replying to me)
Repeats false claim
Me, January 20, 237 PM (page 79)
"Look at your last several posts, you literally cannot post without the same tired, stale 'old man yells at clouds' lie.
Ironic in particular since you are the angry one here, mad just because Trump still leads in most of the polls, and you blow up whenever someone mentions it, even forgetting that I and others support non-Trump candidates: we just won't ignore Reality because our guy is losing." (replying to Mothra)
Foolishly attempts reason with Mothra
Me, January 20, 806 PM (page 79)
"Another argument which depends heavily on insults and arrogance, while ignoring the point.
So let's try this again:
Trump may win or he may lose in November if he wins the GOP nomination, but the polls have constantly shown he has support among Independents, he absolutely can win.
{ should not have to do this, but because any defense of Trump is considered evidence of somehow wanting Trump to win the nomination - I want DESANTIS to win the nomination, but this is about the BS by the people working hard for Biden by lying about the facts}
Roughly seventy million people voted for Trump in 2020, so pretending he doesn't have a lot of support is a stupid lie. The polls have shown Trump in front not only of his GOP opponents but also Biden for a long time now, and he seems to be gaining among minorities and independents. We can argue about why this is happening, but it's dumb to pretend it's not happening."
(replying to Kaibear)
Statement of fact and opinion
Me, January 20, 834 PM (page 79)
"Whiskey Pete (to the Hate-Trump crowd)
"Now, why can't you get that through your thick head?"
Because for them, they must hate Trump more than loving their country." (replying to Whiskey Pete)
Statement of opinion
Me, January 20, 846 PM (page 79)
"Only the sane believe Trump can win." (replying to Kaibear)
Statement of opinion
Me, January 20, 857 PM (page 79)
"The polls have generally been right except for 2016. They consistently show Trump winning if he gets the nomination.
Hard to understand why you cannot accept that fact." (replying to Kaibear)
Statement of fact and opinion
Me, January 20, 952 PM (page 79)
"Just read what I already posted. Lord knows I have been clear." (replying to Kaibear)
Observation
Me, January 20, 1057 PM (page 79)
"Actually, I gave you a clear answer. The arrogance comes from demanding I say things in the way you want, and refusing to accept a plain response that does not please you." (replying to Kaibear)
Responds to insult with reason.
Mothra, January 21, 1034 AM (page 80)
"For me at least, it's not your defense of Trump that causes me to say you are a Trumpster. It's ignoring ample evidence that he is not the guy who is best equipped to defeat the Democrat nominee that causes me to question your motives.
When you just completely ignore a number of polls that show both of the other contenders soundly beating Biden - as you have done on this thread - or just completely and obtusely blow it off, it should be no surprise that people question your allegiances.
Some polls show Trump with a miniscule lead over Biden in a hypothetical matchup, others don't. I saw one yesterday in PA - a state that Trump essentially has to win to have a chance to win the presidency - that has Biden with a small lead. But what is clear is that polls as of late show that Haley and DeSantis both have a much more commanding lead over Biden in a hypothetical matchup. It's a shame you want to ignore that evidence." (replying to me)
Statement of opinion, continues false accusations and again ignores I prefer DeSantis, repeats unsupported assertion.
Mothra, January 21, 1036 AM (page 80)
"Do you not recall how this exchange started? Do you think you played no role in how we got here? You're the poster who started with the personal attacks, my friend.
This is what I mean when I say you have a massive blind spot." (replying to me)
Repeats false accusation, ignores his own series of insults.
Mothra, January 21, 1040 AM (page 80)
"That's my only point - polls show Haley and DeSantis are the better matchup. But alas, we will never know for certain, since we all know it's going to be Trump.
I have little hope Trump can win in another matchup with Biden, once he gets more airtime, and is the sole focus. He has benefited from not being completely in the limelight (similar to Biden being in the basement in 2020). But if he engages in debates, and starts getting more airtime, I suspect he reminds all of those who considered voting for him why they will vote (once again) for Biden. Coulter is going to be right on this one." (replying to whiterock)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 21, 1043 AM (page 80)
"I am not sure if it was that as much as him coming under attack from Trump and his minions, accusing him of being a lib in sheep's clothing. It was a ridiculous and false attack of course - not that that matters to the Trumpsters. I had at least two, not so bright, Trump supporters who told me that very thing. There's no reasoning with them. If Trump says it, it's essentially God saying it in their minds.
2024 is going to be a total **** show. It actually scares me for our country." (replying to Realitybites)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 21, 1046 AM (page 80)
"This is just a total fabrication." (replying to my note that Trump has a lead in most polls)
Statement of opinion, and frankly a bitter denial of Reality
Mothra, January 21, 1050 AM (page 80)
"I think you are right on this. You have to be a bombastic self-aggrandizing blowhard nowdays to win elections. DeSantis is too reasoned in his messaging. He needs to sprinkle in some juvenile name calling. That's what resonates in the day of social media and reality TV.
God help us. We are ****ed." (replying to 4th and inches)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 21, 1053 AM (page 80)
"Oh, I completely agree with this. Our electorate is composed of idiots (see my post above), as you suggested above. I have no question that the will of our uneducated electorate is Trump. I am merely lamenting that fact. It is what it is.
And those dumbasses who are voting Trump in the primary are going to be shocked and claiming fraud when Trump loses (again). Hopefully there are no riots this time.
My only consolation is Trump will likely be dead in 2028. Otherwise, God help us." (replying to 4th and inches)
Statement of opinion
Mothra, January 21, 1106 AM (page 80)
"Consistently would suggest all of the polls show a Trump win. Just yesterday, a PA poll came out with Trump losing.
The key is the battleground states. Whether Trump has increased his lead in Texas is irrelevant.
It's just not going to happen, IMO. As I said above, Trump getting more airtime is a terrible thing. Him being the only nominee is likewise a bad thing. Just wait and see how he's polling come Autumn.
Could I be wrong? Sure, and I hope I am. As I have said consistently, anything is preferable to Biden. But I suspect I won't be wrong, and we are going to be asking ourselves how we lost yet another election to the current geriatric commander-in-chief (when we already know the answer)." (replying to 4th and inches)
Statement of opinion
Me, January 21, 1120 AM (page 80)
"DeSantis. Said that months ago." (replying to FLBear5630)
Answered question
Me, January 21, 1121 AM (page 80)
"No, it's just reporting the polls." (replying to Mothra)
Confirming source
Me, January 21, 1123 AM (page 80)
"If you believe I engaged in personal attacks and they are bad, why have you committed to them in pretty much every one of your posts in the last ten days or so?
You wanna talk about blind spots, check the mirror first." (replying to Mothra)
Statement of fact
Mothra, January 21, 305 PM (page 80)
"What poster have I attacked personally the last 10 days?
The answer is none.
I could care less about your snarky responses. I just find it hilarious you complain about mine, when you engage in the same type of communications." (replying to me)
False claims and false claim to innocence
Mothra, January 21, 308 PM (page 80)
"Source?
The idea that nobody stands a chance against Biden other than Trump is a bunch of bull**** put out there by the Trumpsters, when the polls show just the opposite.
Trump hasn't won anything since 2016, when he caught lightning in a bottle. Stop drinking the Trump Kool-Aid." (replying to Doc Holliday)
Belligerent statement of opinion
Mothra, January 21, 310 PM (page 81)
"Except it's not." (replying to my observation of source)
Denial and nothing but
Mothra, January 21, 316 PM (page 81)
"And endorsed Trump. Will be interesting to see what happens with the VP pick. I previously thought there's no way in hell he's be a VP but who knows?
Still think Trump will get his ass kicked again, but could make things more interesting." (replying to 4th and inches)
Statement of opinion
What all this tells us is
A) You spend a lot of effort and time making noise on this thread
B) You have posted more insults than anyone else in this thread, and when someone does insult you, it's in response to your provocation
C) You fall back on false accusations when I point out point B
D) You probably would be much happier to take a break from politics, it seems to bring out your worst traits
Seriously, you need to chill.
Do you understand the difference between opinion, assumption, a rant and an ad hominem aimed at another poster?
Apparently not. My gosh man. I've given you far too much credit it would appear. I thought we could at least agree on basic terminology. What a waste of time.
Oh and just FYI, we all post opinions on this board, you included. Can't believe I'm having to explain that.
whiterock said:
Solid take. Except for the next to last sentence. Trump isn't significantly more flawed than anyone here. Haley, his likely VP choice, is flawed as well.Ron DeSantis is the most effective governor in the country, turned a swing-state into a red state, and uniquely marries Donald Trump's fighting spirit with a discipline and focus on effective governing that Trump doesn't have. He would be a terrific president. Better than we…
— Jeremy Boreing (@JeremyDBoreing) January 21, 2024
Depends on what you mean by flawed. If a self aggrandizing, petty as a 6th grader blowhard whose had multiple affairs, has been accused of sexual assault, has had money judgments assessed against him on multiple occasions, has lied repeatedly to the American public, has broken numerous campaign promises, has been indicted on multiple felony counts, and attempted to obstruct the orderly transfer of power isn't more flawed than other Republican candidates, Id like to know what you mean by that term.
MAGA is partly to blame. Never Trumpers are also partly to blame.Sam Lowry said:MAGA voters are entirely to blame. Trump is unqualified for the office. By nominating him, they will have left conservatives with no legitimate choice but to stay home.Whiskey Pete said:You fail to see my point, or perhaps you're mentally not capable of comprehension, which is more likely.KaiBear said:Whiskey Pete said:I'm not a registered Republican, dumb-ass.KaiBear said:Whiskey Pete said:ATL Bear said:Apologies if you didn't say uniparty, but a lot of the Trump lot fling that around.Whiskey Pete said:Never once did I say the Trump voters wouldn't be to blame. I have said, more than once, that the Never Trumpers will be as much to blame as the Only Trumpers.ATL Bear said:You openly blame people voting for Biden. Why shouldn't the Trump voters get the same scrutiny? And for all the "uniparty" "swamp" fist pounding, it's odd to see the criticisms being leveled at those that would actually be voting against that cycle.Whiskey Pete said:What is it with? Well, genius, my beef is with people who sit on their high horse and try to blame people for voting for Trump in the primary, but refuse to accept any blame for they themselves not voting for Trump in the general.FLBear5630 said:What is it with you and this if you don't love Trump you are pro-Biden??? The two are not related. If on November 1st we are in that position, than it is a decision to make. To say in January not supporting Trump is giving Biden the WH is ridiculous. My dislike of Trump has NOTHING to do with Biden. Biden is the worst President in history. It is not an either/or until November.Whiskey Pete said:Yep, the Never Trumpers (like yourself) won't check their emotions at the door, apply a little logic and just let Biden waltz right back into the White House.KaiBear said:Good grief man; forget this ' poll game '.Oldbear83 said:
I'm glad you are having fun, Mothra. But you continue to cherry-pick polls, and that won't go where you seem to think.
As for your last line, it would be nice if you started listening, but I won't hold my breath.
Let's cut to the chase.
Do you predict Trump is going to receive enough votes from women, minorites, and independents to overcome his possible convictions on multiple indictments regarding both state and federal charges ?
That Donald Trump can WIN back the White House ?
One word answers.
Mine is ' no '.
If you want to blame those voting for Trump in the primary, then you need to blame yourself for not voting for Trump in the general.
If you don't want to vote for Trump, then don't, but don't pretend it's only Trump supporters that are too blame and none of it falls on the Never Trumpers.
And I'm a DeSantis guy.
I've never said anything about "uniparty"
And make no mistake, Donald Trump, not any voters, are to blame. Bad candidates are bad candidates and he chose to run when he didn't have to.
Yes, Trump is a brash ******* who has no filter and invites chaos. The guy can't even pick and choose his battles. He gives the democrats and media too much ammunition and frankly his last go 'round was very tiresome to watch. But is sure was a hell of a lot better than the ****show we've had the past 3 years.
Dummy
If you as a registered Republican have such an opinion of Trump
Just what in the hell makes you think INDEPENDENTS are going to vote for Trump in the numbers required for him to overcome the Dems numerical advantage?
And if it's obvious Trump can't get those independent voters, he is going to lose.
But nominate Trump irregardless ?
That's NOT on MAGA voters . Hell many just love his free comedy routine. They can't understand why the ready of the country is tired of their fat freak.
But party leadership is supposed to LEAD.
And the Republican hierarchy has abandoned that function.
So they are going ( apparently willingly ) to ensure the election of the Dems with all the chaos and hell that will result .
Holy ****, you really are about as bright as a broken light bulb. You keep arguing points I'm not even trying to make.
This post of yours shows me that you comprehension skills are along the same lines as Biden. Where the in **** did I say you should nominate Trump? Holy cow, you really are an idiot.
You're not a fool, but a clown and an idiot.
By the way, I though you put me on ignore. Couldn't help yourself, I see.
And of course dummy you again ignore my point.
Because you realize the answer negates your whole jr high thought process.
If Trump can't win the majority of independent voters he loses the general
Irregardless on how much ' responsibility' you are attempting to put on Republican primary voters.
This reality involving independents has been understood since day one. And yet Republican leadership has still allowed Trumps campaign to progress .
That's on them. Republican power brokers are the ones who are supposed to comprehend the realities of national politics .
Not MAGA voters who can't see beyond their infatuation with the orange haired guy.
FYI ' ignore' eventually times out . And after you addressed a couple of inane posts to me I decided to kill some time on this flight to Fort Lauderdale.
Land in 80 minutes .
You continue to try and argue the same crap over and over and over that has zero to do with my original point.
YOU CAN'T ONLY BLAME ONLY TRUMPERS FOR GIVING BIDEN THE WHITE HOUSE AND NOT BLAME NEVER TRUMPERS TOO.
It's not hard to understand, except for you. You're a fool and have **** for brains.
FYI, I've had people on ignore for quite some time and it has never timed out.
No choice but to stay home? Horsesh*t. People still have a choice. They choose to not vote for him.
So, you're 11 years old, your friends come over to get you play football with them. You grap your pink football and they say they are actually going to play with the brown football. You get pissy and tell them that you're not going to play football unless they use your pink football. They said sorry, we're using the brown. So you stay home. Now, whose choice/fault was that you didn't get to play football?
There's no reason DeSanits supporters can't support Trump in the general election, except for the Never Trump cult.Sam Lowry said:MAGA voters rejected politics as usual in 2016. They didn't actually step outside the system until 1/6/21. There's no reason they couldn't go with DeSantis in 2024 except for the personality cult.4th and Inches said:establishment politics is entirely to blame. %A0Figure it out, MAGA voters told yall enough was enough and stepped outside the system because it wasnt working for them. Trump was an outsider in 2016.. Ramswamy who is an absolute nobody got 8%. %A0People should look at that.. a huge voting block hates the direction of the country, you have to have them to win. %A0To pull the MAGA voter back from Trump to alternative canidates, you have to ask them what they want and come up with a plan to solve it. %A0Trump is picking up people who are not doing well now but were during his presidency. %A0Sam Lowry said:
MAGA voters are entirely to blame. Trump is unqualified for the office. By nominating him, they will have left conservatives with no legitimate choice but to stay home.
Had Biden been status quo, Trump would be out. Had Biden been effective, Trump would be out. Because Biden is an absolute disaster, Trump is in. %A0Because GOP hasnt learned any lessons since 2008, It has set itself up for failure again. MAGA isnt at fault, lack of a message the resonates with all the GOP is at fault. When the main part of your voting base is displeased, do something different.
Whiskey Pete said:MAGA is partly to blame. Never Trumpers are also partly to blame.Sam Lowry said:MAGA voters are entirely to blame. Trump is unqualified for the office. By nominating him, they will have left conservatives with no legitimate choice but to stay home.Whiskey Pete said:You fail to see my point, or perhaps you're mentally not capable of comprehension, which is more likely.KaiBear said:Whiskey Pete said:I'm not a registered Republican, dumb-ass.KaiBear said:Whiskey Pete said:ATL Bear said:Apologies if you didn't say uniparty, but a lot of the Trump lot fling that around.Whiskey Pete said:Never once did I say the Trump voters wouldn't be to blame. I have said, more than once, that the Never Trumpers will be as much to blame as the Only Trumpers.ATL Bear said:You openly blame people voting for Biden. Why shouldn't the Trump voters get the same scrutiny? And for all the "uniparty" "swamp" fist pounding, it's odd to see the criticisms being leveled at those that would actually be voting against that cycle.Whiskey Pete said:What is it with? Well, genius, my beef is with people who sit on their high horse and try to blame people for voting for Trump in the primary, but refuse to accept any blame for they themselves not voting for Trump in the general.FLBear5630 said:What is it with you and this if you don't love Trump you are pro-Biden??? The two are not related. If on November 1st we are in that position, than it is a decision to make. To say in January not supporting Trump is giving Biden the WH is ridiculous. My dislike of Trump has NOTHING to do with Biden. Biden is the worst President in history. It is not an either/or until November.Whiskey Pete said:Yep, the Never Trumpers (like yourself) won't check their emotions at the door, apply a little logic and just let Biden waltz right back into the White House.KaiBear said:Good grief man; forget this ' poll game '.Oldbear83 said:
I'm glad you are having fun, Mothra. But you continue to cherry-pick polls, and that won't go where you seem to think.
As for your last line, it would be nice if you started listening, but I won't hold my breath.
Let's cut to the chase.
Do you predict Trump is going to receive enough votes from women, minorites, and independents to overcome his possible convictions on multiple indictments regarding both state and federal charges ?
That Donald Trump can WIN back the White House ?
One word answers.
Mine is ' no '.
If you want to blame those voting for Trump in the primary, then you need to blame yourself for not voting for Trump in the general.
If you don't want to vote for Trump, then don't, but don't pretend it's only Trump supporters that are too blame and none of it falls on the Never Trumpers.
And I'm a DeSantis guy.
I've never said anything about "uniparty"
And make no mistake, Donald Trump, not any voters, are to blame. Bad candidates are bad candidates and he chose to run when he didn't have to.
Yes, Trump is a brash ******* who has no filter and invites chaos. The guy can't even pick and choose his battles. He gives the democrats and media too much ammunition and frankly his last go 'round was very tiresome to watch. But is sure was a hell of a lot better than the ****show we've had the past 3 years.
Dummy
If you as a registered Republican have such an opinion of Trump
Just what in the hell makes you think INDEPENDENTS are going to vote for Trump in the numbers required for him to overcome the Dems numerical advantage?
And if it's obvious Trump can't get those independent voters, he is going to lose.
But nominate Trump irregardless ?
That's NOT on MAGA voters . Hell many just love his free comedy routine. They can't understand why the ready of the country is tired of their fat freak.
But party leadership is supposed to LEAD.
And the Republican hierarchy has abandoned that function.
So they are going ( apparently willingly ) to ensure the election of the Dems with all the chaos and hell that will result .
Holy ****, you really are about as bright as a broken light bulb. You keep arguing points I'm not even trying to make.
This post of yours shows me that you comprehension skills are along the same lines as Biden. Where the in **** did I say you should nominate Trump? Holy cow, you really are an idiot.
You're not a fool, but a clown and an idiot.
By the way, I though you put me on ignore. Couldn't help yourself, I see.
And of course dummy you again ignore my point.
Because you realize the answer negates your whole jr high thought process.
If Trump can't win the majority of independent voters he loses the general
Irregardless on how much ' responsibility' you are attempting to put on Republican primary voters.
This reality involving independents has been understood since day one. And yet Republican leadership has still allowed Trumps campaign to progress .
That's on them. Republican power brokers are the ones who are supposed to comprehend the realities of national politics .
Not MAGA voters who can't see beyond their infatuation with the orange haired guy.
FYI ' ignore' eventually times out . And after you addressed a couple of inane posts to me I decided to kill some time on this flight to Fort Lauderdale.
Land in 80 minutes .
You continue to try and argue the same crap over and over and over that has zero to do with my original point.
YOU CAN'T ONLY BLAME ONLY TRUMPERS FOR GIVING BIDEN THE WHITE HOUSE AND NOT BLAME NEVER TRUMPERS TOO.
It's not hard to understand, except for you. You're a fool and have **** for brains.
FYI, I've had people on ignore for quite some time and it has never timed out.
No choice but to stay home? Horsesh*t. People still have a choice. They choose to not vote for him.
So, you're 11 years old, your friends come over to get you play football with them. You grap your pink football and they say they are actually going to play with the brown football. You get pissy and tell them that you're not going to play football unless they use your pink football. They said sorry, we're using the brown. So you stay home. Now, whose choice/fault was that you didn't get to play football?
You keep ignoring the obvious.
If the coach insists on playing his untalented son at quarterback.
And the selection infuriates the other teammates who have lost games with the quarterback before. Teammates who are aware a far more talented quarterback forced to sit on the bench.
Teammates who now refuse to play with the coach 's son forcing the team to forfeit the rest of the season.
That is on the coach.
You keep ignoring the obvious. People who stay home and decide not to vote for the GOP nominee will be partly to blame for a biden walking right back into the White House.KaiBear said:Whiskey Pete said:MAGA is partly to blame. Never Trumpers are also partly to blame.Sam Lowry said:MAGA voters are entirely to blame. Trump is unqualified for the office. By nominating him, they will have left conservatives with no legitimate choice but to stay home.Whiskey Pete said:You fail to see my point, or perhaps you're mentally not capable of comprehension, which is more likely.KaiBear said:Whiskey Pete said:I'm not a registered Republican, dumb-ass.KaiBear said:Whiskey Pete said:ATL Bear said:Apologies if you didn't say uniparty, but a lot of the Trump lot fling that around. %A0Whiskey Pete said:Never once did I say the Trump voters wouldn't be to blame. I have said, more than once, that the Never Trumpers will be as much to blame as the Only Trumpers.ATL Bear said:You openly blame people voting for Biden. Why shouldn't the Trump voters get the same scrutiny? %A0And for all the "uniparty" "swamp" fist pounding, it's odd to see the criticisms being leveled at those that would actually be voting against that cycle. %A0Whiskey Pete said:What is it with? Well, genius, my beef is with people who sit on their high horse and try to blame people for voting for Trump in the primary, but refuse to accept any blame for they themselves not voting for Trump in the general.FLBear5630 said:What is it with you and this if you don't love Trump you are pro-Biden??? %A0The two are not related. %A0If on November 1st we are in that position, than it is a decision to make. %A0To say in January not supporting Trump is giving Biden the WH is ridiculous. %A0 My dislike of Trump has NOTHING to do with Biden. %A0Biden is the worst President in history. %A0It is not an either/or until November.Whiskey Pete said:Yep, the Never Trumpers (like yourself) won't check their emotions at the door, apply a little logic and just let Biden waltz right back into the White House.KaiBear said:Good grief man; forget this ' poll game '.Oldbear83 said:
I'm glad you are having fun, Mothra. %A0 But you continue to cherry-pick polls, and that won't go where you seem to think.
As for your last line, it would be nice if you started listening, but I won't hold my breath.
Let's cut to the chase.
Do you predict Trump is going to receive enough votes from women, minorites, and independents to overcome his possible convictions on multiple indictments regarding both state and federal charges ?
That Donald Trump can WIN %A0back the White House ?
One word answers.
Mine is ' no '.
If you want to blame those voting for Trump in the primary, then you need to blame yourself for not voting for Trump in the general.
If you don't want to vote for Trump, then don't, but don't pretend it's only Trump supporters that are too blame and none of it falls on the Never Trumpers.
And I'm a DeSantis guy.
I've never said anything about "uniparty"
And make no mistake, Donald Trump, not any voters, are to blame. %A0Bad candidates are bad candidates and he chose to run when he didn't have to. %A0
Yes, Trump is a brash ******* who has no filter and invites chaos. The guy can't even pick and choose his battles. He gives the democrats and media too much ammunition and frankly his last go 'round was very tiresome to watch. But is sure was a hell of a lot better than the ****show we've had the past 3 years.
Dummy
If you as a registered Republican have such an opinion of Trump
Just what in the hell makes you think INDEPENDENTS are going to vote for Trump in the numbers required for him to overcome the Dems numerical advantage?
And if it's obvious Trump can't get those independent voters, he is going to lose.
But nominate Trump irregardless ?
That's NOT on MAGA voters . Hell many just love his free comedy routine. They can't understand why the ready of the country is tired of their fat freak.
But party leadership is supposed to LEAD.
And the Republican hierarchy has abandoned that function.
So they are going ( apparently willingly ) to ensure the election of the Dems with all the chaos and hell that will result .
Holy ****, you really are about as bright as a broken light bulb. You keep arguing points I'm not even trying to make.
This post of yours shows me that you comprehension skills are along the same lines as Biden. Where the in **** did I say you should nominate Trump? Holy cow, you really are an idiot.
You're not a fool, but a clown and an idiot.
By the way, I though you put me on ignore. Couldn't help yourself, I see.
And of course dummy you again ignore my point.
Because you realize the answer negates your whole jr high thought process.
If Trump can't win the majority of independent voters he loses the general
Irregardless on how much ' responsibility' you are attempting to put on Republican primary voters.
This reality involving independents has been understood since day one. And yet Republican leadership has still allowed Trumps campaign to progress .
That's on them. Republican power brokers are the ones who are supposed to comprehend the realities of national politics .
Not MAGA voters who can't see beyond their infatuation with the orange haired guy.
FYI ' ignore' eventually times out . And after you addressed %A0a couple of inane posts to me I decided to kill some time on this flight to Fort Lauderdale.
Land in 80 minutes .
You continue to try and argue the same crap over and over and over that has zero to do with my original point.
YOU CAN'T ONLY BLAME ONLY TRUMPERS FOR GIVING BIDEN THE WHITE HOUSE AND NOT BLAME NEVER TRUMPERS TOO.
It's not hard to understand, except for you. You're a fool and have **** for brains.
FYI, I've had people on ignore for quite some time and it has never timed out.
No choice but to stay home? Horsesh*t. People still have a choice. They choose to not vote for him.
So, you're 11 years old, your friends come over to get you play football with them. You grap your pink football and they say they are actually going to play with the brown football. You get pissy and tell them that you're not going to play football unless they use your pink football. They said sorry, we're using the brown. So you stay home. Now, whose choice/fault was that you didn't get to play football?
You keep ignoring the obvious.
If the coach insists on playing his untalented son at quarterback.
And the selection infuriates the other teammates who have lost games with the quarterback before. Teammates who are aware a far more talented quarterback forced to sit on the bench.
And those teammates now refuse to play with the coach 's son forcing the team to forfeit the rest of the season.
That is on the coach.
Get over yourself Kai, you're not perfect. Yes, you be partly responsible for a democrat walking back into the White House by getting pissy and taking your toys and going home.
It's on the coach and the immature teammates who refuse to play
Good grief you are so limited.
Come up with something original.
Come up with something original.
DeSantis Says He Will Try Running Again When He's A Senile 75-Year-Old
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TALLAHASSEE, FL Governor Ron DeSantis has officially suspended his Presidential campaign, deciding to wait until he is 75 years old and senile before attempting to become leader of the free world.
"My time has not yet come," said DeSantis as he ably walked up a flight of stairs carrying a dozen pizzas. "I still have complete control of my mental and physical faculties."
DeSantis launched his campaign with high hopes, only to see his poll numbers slide as voters began to realize he was not old and decrepit. "Everything he says makes sense, and I don't like it," said local man Gene Cummings. "I haven't heard him confuse his mom and his wife a single time, and he can walk on flat surfaces effortlessly. He's just not Presidential material."
After several difficult conversations within the campaign, DeSantis came to terms with his own health and youthful vitality. "I feel like I'm in peak condition, which is tough to acknowledge," said DeSantis. "I need to wait for osteoporosis and dementia to take hold before I'm ready to take the reins of this great country. This is not good-bye only see you later, in about thirty years."
At publishing time, a mourning DeSantis had been spotted eating pudding by the handful to drown his sorrows.
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TALLAHASSEE, FL Governor Ron DeSantis has officially suspended his Presidential campaign, deciding to wait until he is 75 years old and senile before attempting to become leader of the free world.
"My time has not yet come," said DeSantis as he ably walked up a flight of stairs carrying a dozen pizzas. "I still have complete control of my mental and physical faculties."
DeSantis launched his campaign with high hopes, only to see his poll numbers slide as voters began to realize he was not old and decrepit. "Everything he says makes sense, and I don't like it," said local man Gene Cummings. "I haven't heard him confuse his mom and his wife a single time, and he can walk on flat surfaces effortlessly. He's just not Presidential material."
After several difficult conversations within the campaign, DeSantis came to terms with his own health and youthful vitality. "I feel like I'm in peak condition, which is tough to acknowledge," said DeSantis. "I need to wait for osteoporosis and dementia to take hold before I'm ready to take the reins of this great country. This is not good-bye only see you later, in about thirty years."
At publishing time, a mourning DeSantis had been spotted eating pudding by the handful to drown his sorrows.
Says the guy who keeps repeating the same thing over an over.KaiBear said:
Good grief you are so limited.
Come up with something original.
LOL "limited" - says the guy that's not capable of understanding that if he stays home during a general election and not voting against Biden he plays a role in letting Biden walk right back into the White House.
You're so ******* stupid
I will say this until I can't say it anymore.
— Ryan Burge 📊 (@ryanburge) January 22, 2024
Partisanship is the master identity.
Religious attendance doesn't matter once you control for partisanship.
Except for Independents!
They abandoned Trump big time in 2020 vs 2016.
That's probably a big reason he lost. pic.twitter.com/ppnygtKGkg
This is the easy part for Trump. The General, if he can run, will be a different animal. Unfortunately, at this point the only path is to take the least of two evils.Redbrickbear said:I will say this until I can't say it anymore.
— Ryan Burge 📊 (@ryanburge) January 22, 2024
Partisanship is the master identity.
Religious attendance doesn't matter once you control for partisanship.
Except for Independents!
They abandoned Trump big time in 2020 vs 2016.
That's probably a big reason he lost. pic.twitter.com/ppnygtKGkg
Any chance Haley takes NH and then SC? If that happens, we may have a race. DeSantis leaving hurt Haley.
NO chance in hell Haley has a shot at SC and I doubt she has much chance in NH.FLBear5630 said:This is the easy part for Trump. The General, if he can run, will be a different animal. Unfortunately, at this point the only path is to take the least of two evils.Redbrickbear said:I will say this until I can't say it anymore.
— Ryan Burge 📊 (@ryanburge) January 22, 2024
Partisanship is the master identity.
Religious attendance doesn't matter once you control for partisanship.
Except for Independents!
They abandoned Trump big time in 2020 vs 2016.
That's probably a big reason he lost. pic.twitter.com/ppnygtKGkg
Any chance Haley takes NH and then SC? If that happens, we may have a race. DeSantis leaving hurt Haley.