As we speak, Hunter is preparing his team for a push to get the nomination.
Do Republicans do anything that you don't support?Mothra said:He's now pretending that his vote for a wokester like Rochelle Garza, the AG candidate who supported defunding police forces, was "committed to restoring abortion access in Texas," wanted to unionize Texas, and wanted to expand LGBTQ+ rights, is not a vote for any of those.Ghostrider said:a conservative that votes for abortion, illegal immigration, higher taxes, etc. You sure?Osodecentx said:Mothra said:
You can call yourself whatever you want. Bottom line is you vote for the party of wokeism. I am just glad you've finally admitted it, and dropped any pretenses you were actually conservative.
Know thyself.
I'm the true Conservative, not Republican hack
In other words, he doesn't support those things, he just voted for people who do. What he doesn't realize is that's a distinction without a difference. He's stupid in that way.
Not agreeing with a conservative candidate on every issue is quite different from supporting a candidate that is diametrically opposed to all things conservatism.Sam Lowry said:Do Republicans do anything that you don't support?Mothra said:He's now pretending that his vote for a wokester like Rochelle Garza, the AG candidate who supported defunding police forces, was "committed to restoring abortion access in Texas," wanted to unionize Texas, and wanted to expand LGBTQ+ rights, is not a vote for any of those.Ghostrider said:a conservative that votes for abortion, illegal immigration, higher taxes, etc. You sure?Osodecentx said:Mothra said:
You can call yourself whatever you want. Bottom line is you vote for the party of wokeism. I am just glad you've finally admitted it, and dropped any pretenses you were actually conservative.
Know thyself.
I'm the true Conservative, not Republican hack
In other words, he doesn't support those things, he just voted for people who do. What he doesn't realize is that's a distinction without a difference. He's stupid in that way.
So you do vote for things that you don't support.Mothra said:Not agreeing with a conservative candidate on every issue is quite different from supporting a candidate that is diametrically opposed to all things conservatism.Sam Lowry said:Do Republicans do anything that you don't support?Mothra said:He's now pretending that his vote for a wokester like Rochelle Garza, the AG candidate who supported defunding police forces, was "committed to restoring abortion access in Texas," wanted to unionize Texas, and wanted to expand LGBTQ+ rights, is not a vote for any of those.Ghostrider said:a conservative that votes for abortion, illegal immigration, higher taxes, etc. You sure?Osodecentx said:Mothra said:
You can call yourself whatever you want. Bottom line is you vote for the party of wokeism. I am just glad you've finally admitted it, and dropped any pretenses you were actually conservative.
Know thyself.
I'm the true Conservative, not Republican hack
In other words, he doesn't support those things, he just voted for people who do. What he doesn't realize is that's a distinction without a difference. He's stupid in that way.
Surely even someone as intellectually dishonest as yourself won't deny that.
How many Democrats did you vote for in the last election?
which Democrat do you vote for that is closest to your conservative values?Osodecentx said:Ghostrider said:a conservative that votes for abortion, illegal immigration, higher taxes, etc. You sure?Osodecentx said:Mothra said:
You can call yourself whatever you want. Bottom line is you vote for the party of wokeism. I am just glad you've finally admitted it, and dropped any pretenses you were actually conservative.
Know thyself.
I'm the true Conservative, not Republican hack
Nope
Sam Lowry said:So you do vote for things that you don't support.Mothra said:Not agreeing with a conservative candidate on every issue is quite different from supporting a candidate that is diametrically opposed to all things conservatism.Sam Lowry said:Do Republicans do anything that you don't support?Mothra said:He's now pretending that his vote for a wokester like Rochelle Garza, the AG candidate who supported defunding police forces, was "committed to restoring abortion access in Texas," wanted to unionize Texas, and wanted to expand LGBTQ+ rights, is not a vote for any of those.Ghostrider said:a conservative that votes for abortion, illegal immigration, higher taxes, etc. You sure?Osodecentx said:Mothra said:
You can call yourself whatever you want. Bottom line is you vote for the party of wokeism. I am just glad you've finally admitted it, and dropped any pretenses you were actually conservative.
Know thyself.
I'm the true Conservative, not Republican hack
In other words, he doesn't support those things, he just voted for people who do. What he doesn't realize is that's a distinction without a difference. He's stupid in that way.
Surely even someone as intellectually dishonest as yourself won't deny that.
How many Democrats did you vote for in the last election?
I've never supported or voted for any Democrat.Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:So you do vote for things that you don't support.Mothra said:Not agreeing with a conservative candidate on every issue is quite different from supporting a candidate that is diametrically opposed to all things conservatism.Sam Lowry said:Do Republicans do anything that you don't support?Mothra said:He's now pretending that his vote for a wokester like Rochelle Garza, the AG candidate who supported defunding police forces, was "committed to restoring abortion access in Texas," wanted to unionize Texas, and wanted to expand LGBTQ+ rights, is not a vote for any of those.Ghostrider said:a conservative that votes for abortion, illegal immigration, higher taxes, etc. You sure?Osodecentx said:Mothra said:
You can call yourself whatever you want. Bottom line is you vote for the party of wokeism. I am just glad you've finally admitted it, and dropped any pretenses you were actually conservative.
Know thyself.
I'm the true Conservative, not Republican hack
In other words, he doesn't support those things, he just voted for people who do. What he doesn't realize is that's a distinction without a difference. He's stupid in that way.
Surely even someone as intellectually dishonest as yourself won't deny that.
How many Democrats did you vote for in the last election?
To reiterate, my obtuse and intellectually dishonest friend, I don't vote for politicians who support policies that are diametrically opposed to my conservative beliefs. No reasonable conservative would.
Tell us, which Democrats did you support this last election cycle?
Sam Lowry said:I've never supported any Democrat.Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:So you do vote for things that you don't support.Mothra said:Not agreeing with a conservative candidate on every issue is quite different from supporting a candidate that is diametrically opposed to all things conservatism.Sam Lowry said:Do Republicans do anything that you don't support?Mothra said:He's now pretending that his vote for a wokester like Rochelle Garza, the AG candidate who supported defunding police forces, was "committed to restoring abortion access in Texas," wanted to unionize Texas, and wanted to expand LGBTQ+ rights, is not a vote for any of those.Ghostrider said:a conservative that votes for abortion, illegal immigration, higher taxes, etc. You sure?Osodecentx said:Mothra said:
You can call yourself whatever you want. Bottom line is you vote for the party of wokeism. I am just glad you've finally admitted it, and dropped any pretenses you were actually conservative.
Know thyself.
I'm the true Conservative, not Republican hack
In other words, he doesn't support those things, he just voted for people who do. What he doesn't realize is that's a distinction without a difference. He's stupid in that way.
Surely even someone as intellectually dishonest as yourself won't deny that.
How many Democrats did you vote for in the last election?
To reiterate, my obtuse and intellectually dishonest friend, I don't vote for politicians who support policies that are diametrically opposed to my conservative beliefs. No reasonable conservative would.
Tell us, which Democrats did you support this last election cycle?
Never? Good heavens, Sam. Not even I can say that. Surely you don't have to agree with a Democrat candidate on every single issue to vote for him. Right? Why not vote for a Democrat? Remember, you've been defending the logic of Oso's decision to vote for Democrats who are diametrically opposed to his purported conservative values.Sam Lowry said:I've never supported or voted for any Democrat.Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:So you do vote for things that you don't support.Mothra said:Not agreeing with a conservative candidate on every issue is quite different from supporting a candidate that is diametrically opposed to all things conservatism.Sam Lowry said:Do Republicans do anything that you don't support?Mothra said:He's now pretending that his vote for a wokester like Rochelle Garza, the AG candidate who supported defunding police forces, was "committed to restoring abortion access in Texas," wanted to unionize Texas, and wanted to expand LGBTQ+ rights, is not a vote for any of those.Ghostrider said:a conservative that votes for abortion, illegal immigration, higher taxes, etc. You sure?Osodecentx said:Mothra said:
You can call yourself whatever you want. Bottom line is you vote for the party of wokeism. I am just glad you've finally admitted it, and dropped any pretenses you were actually conservative.
Know thyself.
I'm the true Conservative, not Republican hack
In other words, he doesn't support those things, he just voted for people who do. What he doesn't realize is that's a distinction without a difference. He's stupid in that way.
Surely even someone as intellectually dishonest as yourself won't deny that.
How many Democrats did you vote for in the last election?
To reiterate, my obtuse and intellectually dishonest friend, I don't vote for politicians who support policies that are diametrically opposed to my conservative beliefs. No reasonable conservative would.
Tell us, which Democrats did you support this last election cycle?
You already know the answer to this one. It's one of the reasons I voted for Trump, as he kept us out of unnecessary wars.Sam Lowry said:Is the Ukrainian proxy war against your conservative values?Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:So you do vote for things that you don't support.Mothra said:Not agreeing with a conservative candidate on every issue is quite different from supporting a candidate that is diametrically opposed to all things conservatism.Sam Lowry said:Do Republicans do anything that you don't support?Mothra said:He's now pretending that his vote for a wokester like Rochelle Garza, the AG candidate who supported defunding police forces, was "committed to restoring abortion access in Texas," wanted to unionize Texas, and wanted to expand LGBTQ+ rights, is not a vote for any of those.Ghostrider said:a conservative that votes for abortion, illegal immigration, higher taxes, etc. You sure?Osodecentx said:Mothra said:
You can call yourself whatever you want. Bottom line is you vote for the party of wokeism. I am just glad you've finally admitted it, and dropped any pretenses you were actually conservative.
Know thyself.
I'm the true Conservative, not Republican hack
In other words, he doesn't support those things, he just voted for people who do. What he doesn't realize is that's a distinction without a difference. He's stupid in that way.
Surely even someone as intellectually dishonest as yourself won't deny that.
How many Democrats did you vote for in the last election?
To reiterate, my obtuse and intellectually dishonest friend, I don't vote for politicians who support policies that are diametrically opposed to my conservative beliefs. No reasonable conservative would.
Tell us, which Democrats did you support this last election cycle?
According to your "1 drop" rule, you are a Democrat and are not a conservative.Mothra said:Never? Good heavens, Sam. Not even I can say that.Sam Lowry said:I've never supported or voted for any Democrat.Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:So you do vote for things that you don't support.Mothra said:Not agreeing with a conservative candidate on every issue is quite different from supporting a candidate that is diametrically opposed to all things conservatism.Sam Lowry said:Do Republicans do anything that you don't support?Mothra said:He's now pretending that his vote for a wokester like Rochelle Garza, the AG candidate who supported defunding police forces, was "committed to restoring abortion access in Texas," wanted to unionize Texas, and wanted to expand LGBTQ+ rights, is not a vote for any of those.Ghostrider said:a conservative that votes for abortion, illegal immigration, higher taxes, etc. You sure?Osodecentx said:Mothra said:
You can call yourself whatever you want. Bottom line is you vote for the party of wokeism. I am just glad you've finally admitted it, and dropped any pretenses you were actually conservative.
Know thyself.
I'm the true Conservative, not Republican hack
In other words, he doesn't support those things, he just voted for people who do. What he doesn't realize is that's a distinction without a difference. He's stupid in that way.
Surely even someone as intellectually dishonest as yourself won't deny that.
How many Democrats did you vote for in the last election?
To reiterate, my obtuse and intellectually dishonest friend, I don't vote for politicians who support policies that are diametrically opposed to my conservative beliefs. No reasonable conservative would.
Tell us, which Democrats did you support this last election cycle?
I'm not that interested in union issues, nor do I consider them essential to conservatism, so I don't know the answer to that. I may have voted for some libertarians in the past who were pro-choice. Probably wouldn't do so now that the issue has been returned to the states.Mothra said:Never? Good heavens, Sam. Not even I can say that. Surely you don't have to agree with a Democrat candidate on every single issue to vote for him. Right? Why not vote for a Democrat? Remember, you've been defending the logic of Oso's decision to vote for Democrats who are diametrically opposed to his purported conservative values.Sam Lowry said:I've never supported or voted for any Democrat.Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:So you do vote for things that you don't support.Mothra said:Not agreeing with a conservative candidate on every issue is quite different from supporting a candidate that is diametrically opposed to all things conservatism.Sam Lowry said:Do Republicans do anything that you don't support?Mothra said:He's now pretending that his vote for a wokester like Rochelle Garza, the AG candidate who supported defunding police forces, was "committed to restoring abortion access in Texas," wanted to unionize Texas, and wanted to expand LGBTQ+ rights, is not a vote for any of those.Ghostrider said:a conservative that votes for abortion, illegal immigration, higher taxes, etc. You sure?Osodecentx said:Mothra said:
You can call yourself whatever you want. Bottom line is you vote for the party of wokeism. I am just glad you've finally admitted it, and dropped any pretenses you were actually conservative.
Know thyself.
I'm the true Conservative, not Republican hack
In other words, he doesn't support those things, he just voted for people who do. What he doesn't realize is that's a distinction without a difference. He's stupid in that way.
Surely even someone as intellectually dishonest as yourself won't deny that.
How many Democrats did you vote for in the last election?
To reiterate, my obtuse and intellectually dishonest friend, I don't vote for politicians who support policies that are diametrically opposed to my conservative beliefs. No reasonable conservative would.
Tell us, which Democrats did you support this last election cycle?
Tell you what, let's break it down by issue then, since you for some reason just can't bring yourself to ever vote Democrat. What candidates have you voted for that were in favor of the defund the police movement? What candidates have you voted for that were committed to restoring abortion access in Texas? What candidates have you voted for who wanted to unionize Texas? Which candidates have you voted for that wanted to expand LGBTQ+ rights?. And if the answer is none of the above, why?
What Democrat did you vote for?Mothra said:Never? Good heavens, Sam. Not even I can say that. Surely you don't have to agree with a Democrat candidate on every single issue to vote for him. Right? Why not vote for a Democrat?Sam Lowry said:I've never supported or voted for any Democrat.Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:So you do vote for things that you don't support.Mothra said:Not agreeing with a conservative candidate on every issue is quite different from supporting a candidate that is diametrically opposed to all things conservatism.Sam Lowry said:Do Republicans do anything that you don't support?Mothra said:He's now pretending that his vote for a wokester like Rochelle Garza, the AG candidate who supported defunding police forces, was "committed to restoring abortion access in Texas," wanted to unionize Texas, and wanted to expand LGBTQ+ rights, is not a vote for any of those.Ghostrider said:a conservative that votes for abortion, illegal immigration, higher taxes, etc. You sure?Osodecentx said:Mothra said:
You can call yourself whatever you want. Bottom line is you vote for the party of wokeism. I am just glad you've finally admitted it, and dropped any pretenses you were actually conservative.
Know thyself.
I'm the true Conservative, not Republican hack
In other words, he doesn't support those things, he just voted for people who do. What he doesn't realize is that's a distinction without a difference. He's stupid in that way.
Surely even someone as intellectually dishonest as yourself won't deny that.
How many Democrats did you vote for in the last election?
To reiterate, my obtuse and intellectually dishonest friend, I don't vote for politicians who support policies that are diametrically opposed to my conservative beliefs. No reasonable conservative would.
Tell us, which Democrats did you support this last election cycle?
I'm against the war, but plenty of Republicans other than Trump are for it. Both US senators from Texas, for example. If you don't support it, will you vote for people who do? Isn't that a distinction without a difference?Mothra said:You already know the answer to this one. It's one of the reasons I voted for Trump, as he kept us out of unnecessary wars.Sam Lowry said:Is the Ukrainian proxy war against your conservative values?Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:So you do vote for things that you don't support.Mothra said:Not agreeing with a conservative candidate on every issue is quite different from supporting a candidate that is diametrically opposed to all things conservatism.Sam Lowry said:Do Republicans do anything that you don't support?Mothra said:He's now pretending that his vote for a wokester like Rochelle Garza, the AG candidate who supported defunding police forces, was "committed to restoring abortion access in Texas," wanted to unionize Texas, and wanted to expand LGBTQ+ rights, is not a vote for any of those.Ghostrider said:a conservative that votes for abortion, illegal immigration, higher taxes, etc. You sure?Osodecentx said:Mothra said:
You can call yourself whatever you want. Bottom line is you vote for the party of wokeism. I am just glad you've finally admitted it, and dropped any pretenses you were actually conservative.
Know thyself.
I'm the true Conservative, not Republican hack
In other words, he doesn't support those things, he just voted for people who do. What he doesn't realize is that's a distinction without a difference. He's stupid in that way.
Surely even someone as intellectually dishonest as yourself won't deny that.
How many Democrats did you vote for in the last election?
To reiterate, my obtuse and intellectually dishonest friend, I don't vote for politicians who support policies that are diametrically opposed to my conservative beliefs. No reasonable conservative would.
Tell us, which Democrats did you support this last election cycle?
Since you didn't vote for Trump, tell us, are you in favor of proxy wars against Russia? Or is that just something you're willing to accept as the price of getting rid of the mean tweets?
That is what the craziest Tea Party organizations, the ones controlled by libertarian groups, used to say. I spoke to one as a Ted Cruz surrogate one evening in Belton during his first primary contest. Every single time they mentioned the GOP, they did so in third person....."they" not "we," "the Republicans" not "us"..... Amazing thing to hear. THEY were the true conservatives. Republicans were just pretenders. absolute article of faith worldview.Mothra said:Osodecentx said:Mothra said:And yet, they can do far more damage to our state by instituting policies which are the antithesis of your purported conservative beliefs.Osodecentx said:Mothra said:You continue to make the mistake of voting with your emotions instead of on policy. Let me help you understand where your vote went, my little Padawan:Osodecentx said:Speaking of delusional, self important bubbles, let's see who you voted for.Mothra said:Hate to burst your delusional, self-important bubble, but real conservatives don't vote for the party of wokeism.Osodecentx said:Mothra said:
You can call yourself whatever you want. Bottom line is you vote for the party of wokeism. I am just glad you've finally admitted it, and dropped any pretenses you were actually conservative.
Know thyself.
I'm the true Conservative, not Republican hack
Sorry.
Ag Commissioner who took a state plane out of state to get the Jesus Shot. IQ of a sack of potatoes.
https://apnews.com/article/60cd9eccb70240548ee7a339d9db63bb
Attorney General who is under indictment for securities fraud. He is such a good lawyer that he essentially admitted committing the elements of the crime in a press release.
But as a loyal Republican, you voted for these folks.
Rochelle Garza, the AG candidate you voted for, is an unaccomplished plaintiff's attorney who wanted health care for all, supported defunding police forces, was "committed to restoring abortion access in Texas," wanted to unionize Texas, and wanted to expand LGBTQ+ rights. https://www.rochellegarzafortexas.com/issues
Susan Hays, the Ag Commissioner candidate you voted for, is a cannabis attorney who wants expansion of Medicaid to what is tantamount to universal health care, was for vaccine mandates, and wanted to legalize recreational use of marijuana. https://texassignal.com/a-conversation-with-agriculture-commissioner-candidate-susan-hays/
But as a "true conservative," you voted for these folks.
Yep, neither one is indicted or misused state planes
You are a fool.
At least I'm not a Republican hack
Of course we do. It's the nature of politics. I vote for GOP a bunch of candidates who promise to vote for school choice/vouchers, with is supported by a majority of almost every demographic in the state (except teacher's unions) yet never gets enacted into law despite Texas being an allegedly very red state even though other purportedly less-red states have already passed the necessary legislation.Sam Lowry said:So you do vote for things that you don't support.Mothra said:Not agreeing with a conservative candidate on every issue is quite different from supporting a candidate that is diametrically opposed to all things conservatism.Sam Lowry said:Do Republicans do anything that you don't support?Mothra said:He's now pretending that his vote for a wokester like Rochelle Garza, the AG candidate who supported defunding police forces, was "committed to restoring abortion access in Texas," wanted to unionize Texas, and wanted to expand LGBTQ+ rights, is not a vote for any of those.Ghostrider said:a conservative that votes for abortion, illegal immigration, higher taxes, etc. You sure?Osodecentx said:Mothra said:
You can call yourself whatever you want. Bottom line is you vote for the party of wokeism. I am just glad you've finally admitted it, and dropped any pretenses you were actually conservative.
Know thyself.
I'm the true Conservative, not Republican hack
In other words, he doesn't support those things, he just voted for people who do. What he doesn't realize is that's a distinction without a difference. He's stupid in that way.
Surely even someone as intellectually dishonest as yourself won't deny that.
How many Democrats did you vote for in the last election?
hate to tell you this, but the neverTrumpers are the ones doing the mau mau...... LOLOsodecentx said:Quote:The people who cared about the "1 drop rule" were the ones doing the mau mauQuote:And voter for a few of Democrats in 2022. Don't forget. It's important to me. "1 drop" rule, right?Quote:....says the guy who gave $1k to Liz CheneyQuote:Quote:......because party platforms don't matter, remember. Doesn't matter what they've stated they want to accomplish in office (by virtue of running in a party primary). Only matters if you can feel good about having voted for a person deemed virtuous on some nebulous and ever-shifting standard.Quote:Quote:You continue to make the mistake of voting with your emotions instead of on policy. Let me help you understand where your vote went, my little Padawan:Quote:Speaking of delusional, self important bubbles, let's see who you voted for.Quote:
Hate to burst your delusional, self-important bubble, but real conservatives don't vote for the party of wokeism.
Sorry.
Ag Commissioner who took a state plane out of state to get the Jesus Shot. IQ of a sack of potatoes.
https://apnews.com/article/60cd9eccb70240548ee7a339d9db63bb
Attorney General who is under indictment for securities fraud. He is such a good lawyer that he essentially admitted committing the elements of the crime in a press release.
But as a loyal Republican, you voted for these folks.
Rochelle Garza, the AG candidate you voted for, is an unaccomplished plaintiff's attorney who wanted health care for all, supported defunding police forces, was "committed to restoring abortion access in Texas," wanted to unionize Texas, and wanted to expand LGBTQ+ rights. https://www.rochellegarzafortexas.com/issues
Susan Hays, the Ag Commissioner candidate you voted for, is a cannabis attorney who wants expansion of Medicaid to what is tantamount to universal health care, was for vaccine mandates, and wanted to legalize recreational use of marijuana. https://texassignal.com/a-conversation-with-agriculture-commissioner-candidate-susan-hays/
But as a "true conservative," you voted for these folks.
Yep, neither one is indicted or misused state planes
Another Republican hack
True then, but now you're raising up a new generation , not of racists, but RWNJs who mau mau Republicans who don't toe your mark
What about the other issues? And why would the candidate's stance on those issues prevent you from voting for them?Sam Lowry said:I'm not that interested in union issues, nor do I consider them essential to conservatism, so I don't know the answer to that. I may have voted for some libertarians in the past who were pro-choice. Probably wouldn't do so now that the issue has been returned to the states.Mothra said:Never? Good heavens, Sam. Not even I can say that. Surely you don't have to agree with a Democrat candidate on every single issue to vote for him. Right? Why not vote for a Democrat? Remember, you've been defending the logic of Oso's decision to vote for Democrats who are diametrically opposed to his purported conservative values.Sam Lowry said:I've never supported or voted for any Democrat.Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:So you do vote for things that you don't support.Mothra said:Not agreeing with a conservative candidate on every issue is quite different from supporting a candidate that is diametrically opposed to all things conservatism.Sam Lowry said:Do Republicans do anything that you don't support?Mothra said:He's now pretending that his vote for a wokester like Rochelle Garza, the AG candidate who supported defunding police forces, was "committed to restoring abortion access in Texas," wanted to unionize Texas, and wanted to expand LGBTQ+ rights, is not a vote for any of those.Ghostrider said:a conservative that votes for abortion, illegal immigration, higher taxes, etc. You sure?Osodecentx said:Mothra said:
You can call yourself whatever you want. Bottom line is you vote for the party of wokeism. I am just glad you've finally admitted it, and dropped any pretenses you were actually conservative.
Know thyself.
I'm the true Conservative, not Republican hack
In other words, he doesn't support those things, he just voted for people who do. What he doesn't realize is that's a distinction without a difference. He's stupid in that way.
Surely even someone as intellectually dishonest as yourself won't deny that.
How many Democrats did you vote for in the last election?
To reiterate, my obtuse and intellectually dishonest friend, I don't vote for politicians who support policies that are diametrically opposed to my conservative beliefs. No reasonable conservative would.
Tell us, which Democrats did you support this last election cycle?
Tell you what, let's break it down by issue then, since you for some reason just can't bring yourself to ever vote Democrat. What candidates have you voted for that were in favor of the defund the police movement? What candidates have you voted for that were committed to restoring abortion access in Texas? What candidates have you voted for who wanted to unionize Texas? Which candidates have you voted for that wanted to expand LGBTQ+ rights?. And if the answer is none of the above, why?
Mothra said:What about the other issues? And why would the candidate's stance on those issues prevent you from voting for them?Sam Lowry said:I'm not that interested in union issues, nor do I consider them essential to conservatism, so I don't know the answer to that. I may have voted for some libertarians in the past who were pro-choice. Probably wouldn't do so now that the issue has been returned to the states.Mothra said:Never? Good heavens, Sam. Not even I can say that. Surely you don't have to agree with a Democrat candidate on every single issue to vote for him. Right? Why not vote for a Democrat? Remember, you've been defending the logic of Oso's decision to vote for Democrats who are diametrically opposed to his purported conservative values.Sam Lowry said:I've never supported or voted for any Democrat.Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:So you do vote for things that you don't support.Mothra said:Not agreeing with a conservative candidate on every issue is quite different from supporting a candidate that is diametrically opposed to all things conservatism.Sam Lowry said:Do Republicans do anything that you don't support?Mothra said:He's now pretending that his vote for a wokester like Rochelle Garza, the AG candidate who supported defunding police forces, was "committed to restoring abortion access in Texas," wanted to unionize Texas, and wanted to expand LGBTQ+ rights, is not a vote for any of those.Ghostrider said:a conservative that votes for abortion, illegal immigration, higher taxes, etc. You sure?Osodecentx said:Mothra said:
You can call yourself whatever you want. Bottom line is you vote for the party of wokeism. I am just glad you've finally admitted it, and dropped any pretenses you were actually conservative.
Know thyself.
I'm the true Conservative, not Republican hack
In other words, he doesn't support those things, he just voted for people who do. What he doesn't realize is that's a distinction without a difference. He's stupid in that way.
Surely even someone as intellectually dishonest as yourself won't deny that.
How many Democrats did you vote for in the last election?
To reiterate, my obtuse and intellectually dishonest friend, I don't vote for politicians who support policies that are diametrically opposed to my conservative beliefs. No reasonable conservative would.
Tell us, which Democrats did you support this last election cycle?
Tell you what, let's break it down by issue then, since you for some reason just can't bring yourself to ever vote Democrat. What candidates have you voted for that were in favor of the defund the police movement? What candidates have you voted for that were committed to restoring abortion access in Texas? What candidates have you voted for who wanted to unionize Texas? Which candidates have you voted for that wanted to expand LGBTQ+ rights?. And if the answer is none of the above, why?
Depends on the alternative, and how strongly I feel about the policy at issue. In the case of the Ukraine war, it seems only a handful of Republicans oppose funding it. So what good is it to vote for the Democrat on a policy that is largely bipartisan?Sam Lowry said:I'm against the war, but plenty of Republicans other than Trump are for it. Both US senators from Texas, for example. If you don't support it, will you vote for people who do? Isn't that a distinction without a difference?Mothra said:You already know the answer to this one. It's one of the reasons I voted for Trump, as he kept us out of unnecessary wars.Sam Lowry said:Is the Ukrainian proxy war against your conservative values?Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:So you do vote for things that you don't support.Mothra said:Not agreeing with a conservative candidate on every issue is quite different from supporting a candidate that is diametrically opposed to all things conservatism.Sam Lowry said:Do Republicans do anything that you don't support?Mothra said:He's now pretending that his vote for a wokester like Rochelle Garza, the AG candidate who supported defunding police forces, was "committed to restoring abortion access in Texas," wanted to unionize Texas, and wanted to expand LGBTQ+ rights, is not a vote for any of those.Ghostrider said:a conservative that votes for abortion, illegal immigration, higher taxes, etc. You sure?Osodecentx said:Mothra said:
You can call yourself whatever you want. Bottom line is you vote for the party of wokeism. I am just glad you've finally admitted it, and dropped any pretenses you were actually conservative.
Know thyself.
I'm the true Conservative, not Republican hack
In other words, he doesn't support those things, he just voted for people who do. What he doesn't realize is that's a distinction without a difference. He's stupid in that way.
Surely even someone as intellectually dishonest as yourself won't deny that.
How many Democrats did you vote for in the last election?
To reiterate, my obtuse and intellectually dishonest friend, I don't vote for politicians who support policies that are diametrically opposed to my conservative beliefs. No reasonable conservative would.
Tell us, which Democrats did you support this last election cycle?
Since you didn't vote for Trump, tell us, are you in favor of proxy wars against Russia? Or is that just something you're willing to accept as the price of getting rid of the mean tweets?
1 drop rule? Did you see the list of policies that the candidates you voted for support? Or are you truly this glib?Osodecentx said:According to your "1 drop" rule, you are a Democrat and are not a conservative.Mothra said:Never? Good heavens, Sam. Not even I can say that.Sam Lowry said:I've never supported or voted for any Democrat.Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:So you do vote for things that you don't support.Mothra said:Not agreeing with a conservative candidate on every issue is quite different from supporting a candidate that is diametrically opposed to all things conservatism.Sam Lowry said:Do Republicans do anything that you don't support?Mothra said:He's now pretending that his vote for a wokester like Rochelle Garza, the AG candidate who supported defunding police forces, was "committed to restoring abortion access in Texas," wanted to unionize Texas, and wanted to expand LGBTQ+ rights, is not a vote for any of those.Ghostrider said:a conservative that votes for abortion, illegal immigration, higher taxes, etc. You sure?Osodecentx said:Mothra said:
You can call yourself whatever you want. Bottom line is you vote for the party of wokeism. I am just glad you've finally admitted it, and dropped any pretenses you were actually conservative.
Know thyself.
I'm the true Conservative, not Republican hack
In other words, he doesn't support those things, he just voted for people who do. What he doesn't realize is that's a distinction without a difference. He's stupid in that way.
Surely even someone as intellectually dishonest as yourself won't deny that.
How many Democrats did you vote for in the last election?
To reiterate, my obtuse and intellectually dishonest friend, I don't vote for politicians who support policies that are diametrically opposed to my conservative beliefs. No reasonable conservative would.
Tell us, which Democrats did you support this last election cycle?
I've voted for several at the local level who have been friends of mine, over the years, including the mayor of my former city, the tax assessor of the county I lived in, and one who ran for city council.Osodecentx said:What Democrat did you vote for?Mothra said:Never? Good heavens, Sam. Not even I can say that. Surely you don't have to agree with a Democrat candidate on every single issue to vote for him. Right? Why not vote for a Democrat?Sam Lowry said:I've never supported or voted for any Democrat.Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:So you do vote for things that you don't support.Mothra said:Not agreeing with a conservative candidate on every issue is quite different from supporting a candidate that is diametrically opposed to all things conservatism.Sam Lowry said:Do Republicans do anything that you don't support?Mothra said:He's now pretending that his vote for a wokester like Rochelle Garza, the AG candidate who supported defunding police forces, was "committed to restoring abortion access in Texas," wanted to unionize Texas, and wanted to expand LGBTQ+ rights, is not a vote for any of those.Ghostrider said:a conservative that votes for abortion, illegal immigration, higher taxes, etc. You sure?Osodecentx said:Mothra said:
You can call yourself whatever you want. Bottom line is you vote for the party of wokeism. I am just glad you've finally admitted it, and dropped any pretenses you were actually conservative.
Know thyself.
I'm the true Conservative, not Republican hack
In other words, he doesn't support those things, he just voted for people who do. What he doesn't realize is that's a distinction without a difference. He's stupid in that way.
Surely even someone as intellectually dishonest as yourself won't deny that.
How many Democrats did you vote for in the last election?
To reiterate, my obtuse and intellectually dishonest friend, I don't vote for politicians who support policies that are diametrically opposed to my conservative beliefs. No reasonable conservative would.
Tell us, which Democrats did you support this last election cycle?
No true conservative would, now days.Ghostrider said:
I could never vote for a democrat.
Wait a minute! You are friends with tax collectors and Democrats? You probably eat with them, too.Mothra said:I've voted for several at the local level who have been friends of mine, over the years, including the mayor of my former city, the tax assessor of the county I lived in, and one who ran for city council.Osodecentx said:What Democrat did you vote for?Mothra said:Never? Good heavens, Sam. Not even I can say that. Surely you don't have to agree with a Democrat candidate on every single issue to vote for him. Right? Why not vote for a Democrat?Sam Lowry said:I've never supported or voted for any Democrat.Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:So you do vote for things that you don't support.Mothra said:Not agreeing with a conservative candidate on every issue is quite different from supporting a candidate that is diametrically opposed to all things conservatism.Sam Lowry said:Do Republicans do anything that you don't support?Mothra said:He's now pretending that his vote for a wokester like Rochelle Garza, the AG candidate who supported defunding police forces, was "committed to restoring abortion access in Texas," wanted to unionize Texas, and wanted to expand LGBTQ+ rights, is not a vote for any of those.Ghostrider said:a conservative that votes for abortion, illegal immigration, higher taxes, etc. You sure?Osodecentx said:Mothra said:
You can call yourself whatever you want. Bottom line is you vote for the party of wokeism. I am just glad you've finally admitted it, and dropped any pretenses you were actually conservative.
Know thyself.
I'm the true Conservative, not Republican hack
In other words, he doesn't support those things, he just voted for people who do. What he doesn't realize is that's a distinction without a difference. He's stupid in that way.
Surely even someone as intellectually dishonest as yourself won't deny that.
How many Democrats did you vote for in the last election?
To reiterate, my obtuse and intellectually dishonest friend, I don't vote for politicians who support policies that are diametrically opposed to my conservative beliefs. No reasonable conservative would.
Tell us, which Democrats did you support this last election cycle?
Ghostrider said:
I could never vote for a democrat.
Defunding the police wasn't a big issue back in my libertarian days. I may have voted for some candidates who wanted to leave marriage to the states. I typically would not vote for a pro-LGBT or anti-police candidate because I don't agree with those policies.Mothra said:What about the other issues? And why would the candidate's stance on those issues prevent you from voting for them?Sam Lowry said:I'm not that interested in union issues, nor do I consider them essential to conservatism, so I don't know the answer to that. I may have voted for some libertarians in the past who were pro-choice. Probably wouldn't do so now that the issue has been returned to the states.Mothra said:Never? Good heavens, Sam. Not even I can say that. Surely you don't have to agree with a Democrat candidate on every single issue to vote for him. Right? Why not vote for a Democrat? Remember, you've been defending the logic of Oso's decision to vote for Democrats who are diametrically opposed to his purported conservative values.Sam Lowry said:I've never supported or voted for any Democrat.Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:So you do vote for things that you don't support.Mothra said:Not agreeing with a conservative candidate on every issue is quite different from supporting a candidate that is diametrically opposed to all things conservatism.Sam Lowry said:Do Republicans do anything that you don't support?Mothra said:He's now pretending that his vote for a wokester like Rochelle Garza, the AG candidate who supported defunding police forces, was "committed to restoring abortion access in Texas," wanted to unionize Texas, and wanted to expand LGBTQ+ rights, is not a vote for any of those.Ghostrider said:a conservative that votes for abortion, illegal immigration, higher taxes, etc. You sure?Osodecentx said:Mothra said:
You can call yourself whatever you want. Bottom line is you vote for the party of wokeism. I am just glad you've finally admitted it, and dropped any pretenses you were actually conservative.
Know thyself.
I'm the true Conservative, not Republican hack
In other words, he doesn't support those things, he just voted for people who do. What he doesn't realize is that's a distinction without a difference. He's stupid in that way.
Surely even someone as intellectually dishonest as yourself won't deny that.
How many Democrats did you vote for in the last election?
To reiterate, my obtuse and intellectually dishonest friend, I don't vote for politicians who support policies that are diametrically opposed to my conservative beliefs. No reasonable conservative would.
Tell us, which Democrats did you support this last election cycle?
Tell you what, let's break it down by issue then, since you for some reason just can't bring yourself to ever vote Democrat. What candidates have you voted for that were in favor of the defund the police movement? What candidates have you voted for that were committed to restoring abortion access in Texas? What candidates have you voted for who wanted to unionize Texas? Which candidates have you voted for that wanted to expand LGBTQ+ rights?. And if the answer is none of the above, why?
How do you distinguish a candidate who's merely opposed to your worldview from one who is "diametrically" opposed? Is it just a matter of how strongly you feel? If Oso doesn't feel as strongly about a particular issue, can he vote his conscience and still be a conservative?Mothra said:Depends on the alternative, and how strongly I feel about the policy at issue. In the case of the Ukraine war, it seems only a handful of Republicans oppose funding it. So what good is it to vote for the Democrat on a policy that is largely bipartisan?Sam Lowry said:I'm against the war, but plenty of Republicans other than Trump are for it. Both US senators from Texas, for example. If you don't support it, will you vote for people who do? Isn't that a distinction without a difference?Mothra said:You already know the answer to this one. It's one of the reasons I voted for Trump, as he kept us out of unnecessary wars.Sam Lowry said:Is the Ukrainian proxy war against your conservative values?Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:So you do vote for things that you don't support.Mothra said:Not agreeing with a conservative candidate on every issue is quite different from supporting a candidate that is diametrically opposed to all things conservatism.Sam Lowry said:Do Republicans do anything that you don't support?Mothra said:He's now pretending that his vote for a wokester like Rochelle Garza, the AG candidate who supported defunding police forces, was "committed to restoring abortion access in Texas," wanted to unionize Texas, and wanted to expand LGBTQ+ rights, is not a vote for any of those.Ghostrider said:a conservative that votes for abortion, illegal immigration, higher taxes, etc. You sure?Osodecentx said:Mothra said:
You can call yourself whatever you want. Bottom line is you vote for the party of wokeism. I am just glad you've finally admitted it, and dropped any pretenses you were actually conservative.
Know thyself.
I'm the true Conservative, not Republican hack
In other words, he doesn't support those things, he just voted for people who do. What he doesn't realize is that's a distinction without a difference. He's stupid in that way.
Surely even someone as intellectually dishonest as yourself won't deny that.
How many Democrats did you vote for in the last election?
To reiterate, my obtuse and intellectually dishonest friend, I don't vote for politicians who support policies that are diametrically opposed to my conservative beliefs. No reasonable conservative would.
Tell us, which Democrats did you support this last election cycle?
Since you didn't vote for Trump, tell us, are you in favor of proxy wars against Russia? Or is that just something you're willing to accept as the price of getting rid of the mean tweets?
As I tried to explain to you above to no avail, I don't vote for candidates who are diametrically opposed to my conservative worldview - much like yourself. It's the same reason you have never voted Democrat, or could not support someone who is pro-choice. No reasonable person who claims to be conservative would vote for a candidate with views that are diametrically opposed to his own purported views. That's insanity.
And yes, supporting a candidate who will work to employ policies that are the antithesis of conservatism is supporting those policies, whether tacit or not. It's pretty shocking that any reasonable person would try to defend such logic (or lack thereof).
Do you believe "conservative" to be some fungible concept, with no clearly defined parameters? In other words, if a person such as Oso "feels" he is conservative, that means he's conservative, as long as of course he's voting his "conscience," regardless of the issue or candidate? What role, if any, does a person's voting record or positions on issues play in that characterization, in your mind?Sam Lowry said:How do you distinguish a candidate who's merely opposed to your worldview from one who is "diametrically" opposed? Is it just a matter of how strongly you feel? If Oso doesn't feel as strongly about a particular issue, can he vote his conscience and still be a conservative?Mothra said:Depends on the alternative, and how strongly I feel about the policy at issue. In the case of the Ukraine war, it seems only a handful of Republicans oppose funding it. So what good is it to vote for the Democrat on a policy that is largely bipartisan?Sam Lowry said:I'm against the war, but plenty of Republicans other than Trump are for it. Both US senators from Texas, for example. If you don't support it, will you vote for people who do? Isn't that a distinction without a difference?Mothra said:You already know the answer to this one. It's one of the reasons I voted for Trump, as he kept us out of unnecessary wars.Sam Lowry said:Is the Ukrainian proxy war against your conservative values?Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:So you do vote for things that you don't support.Mothra said:Not agreeing with a conservative candidate on every issue is quite different from supporting a candidate that is diametrically opposed to all things conservatism.Sam Lowry said:Do Republicans do anything that you don't support?Mothra said:He's now pretending that his vote for a wokester like Rochelle Garza, the AG candidate who supported defunding police forces, was "committed to restoring abortion access in Texas," wanted to unionize Texas, and wanted to expand LGBTQ+ rights, is not a vote for any of those.Ghostrider said:a conservative that votes for abortion, illegal immigration, higher taxes, etc. You sure?Osodecentx said:Mothra said:
You can call yourself whatever you want. Bottom line is you vote for the party of wokeism. I am just glad you've finally admitted it, and dropped any pretenses you were actually conservative.
Know thyself.
I'm the true Conservative, not Republican hack
In other words, he doesn't support those things, he just voted for people who do. What he doesn't realize is that's a distinction without a difference. He's stupid in that way.
Surely even someone as intellectually dishonest as yourself won't deny that.
How many Democrats did you vote for in the last election?
To reiterate, my obtuse and intellectually dishonest friend, I don't vote for politicians who support policies that are diametrically opposed to my conservative beliefs. No reasonable conservative would.
Tell us, which Democrats did you support this last election cycle?
Since you didn't vote for Trump, tell us, are you in favor of proxy wars against Russia? Or is that just something you're willing to accept as the price of getting rid of the mean tweets?
As I tried to explain to you above to no avail, I don't vote for candidates who are diametrically opposed to my conservative worldview - much like yourself. It's the same reason you have never voted Democrat, or could not support someone who is pro-choice. No reasonable person who claims to be conservative would vote for a candidate with views that are diametrically opposed to his own purported views. That's insanity.
And yes, supporting a candidate who will work to employ policies that are the antithesis of conservatism is supporting those policies, whether tacit or not. It's pretty shocking that any reasonable person would try to defend such logic (or lack thereof).
So, it sounds like you have never (and would never) vote for candidates who support such issues because they are opposed to your conservative beliefs. Correct?Sam Lowry said:Defunding the police wasn't a big issue back in my libertarian days. I may have voted for some candidates who wanted to leave marriage to the states. I typically would not vote for a pro-LGBT or anti-police candidate because I don't agree with those policies.Mothra said:What about the other issues? And why would the candidate's stance on those issues prevent you from voting for them?Sam Lowry said:I'm not that interested in union issues, nor do I consider them essential to conservatism, so I don't know the answer to that. I may have voted for some libertarians in the past who were pro-choice. Probably wouldn't do so now that the issue has been returned to the states.Mothra said:Never? Good heavens, Sam. Not even I can say that. Surely you don't have to agree with a Democrat candidate on every single issue to vote for him. Right? Why not vote for a Democrat? Remember, you've been defending the logic of Oso's decision to vote for Democrats who are diametrically opposed to his purported conservative values.Sam Lowry said:I've never supported or voted for any Democrat.Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:So you do vote for things that you don't support.Mothra said:Not agreeing with a conservative candidate on every issue is quite different from supporting a candidate that is diametrically opposed to all things conservatism.Sam Lowry said:Do Republicans do anything that you don't support?Mothra said:He's now pretending that his vote for a wokester like Rochelle Garza, the AG candidate who supported defunding police forces, was "committed to restoring abortion access in Texas," wanted to unionize Texas, and wanted to expand LGBTQ+ rights, is not a vote for any of those.Ghostrider said:a conservative that votes for abortion, illegal immigration, higher taxes, etc. You sure?Osodecentx said:Mothra said:
You can call yourself whatever you want. Bottom line is you vote for the party of wokeism. I am just glad you've finally admitted it, and dropped any pretenses you were actually conservative.
Know thyself.
I'm the true Conservative, not Republican hack
In other words, he doesn't support those things, he just voted for people who do. What he doesn't realize is that's a distinction without a difference. He's stupid in that way.
Surely even someone as intellectually dishonest as yourself won't deny that.
How many Democrats did you vote for in the last election?
To reiterate, my obtuse and intellectually dishonest friend, I don't vote for politicians who support policies that are diametrically opposed to my conservative beliefs. No reasonable conservative would.
Tell us, which Democrats did you support this last election cycle?
Tell you what, let's break it down by issue then, since you for some reason just can't bring yourself to ever vote Democrat. What candidates have you voted for that were in favor of the defund the police movement? What candidates have you voted for that were committed to restoring abortion access in Texas? What candidates have you voted for who wanted to unionize Texas? Which candidates have you voted for that wanted to expand LGBTQ+ rights?. And if the answer is none of the above, why?
Doesn't that question cut any number of ways.Mothra said:Do you believe "conservative" to be some fungible concept, with no clearly defined parameters? In other words, if a person such as Oso "feels" he is conservative, that means he's conservative, as long as of course he's voting his "conscience," regardless of the issue or candidate? What role, if any, does a person's voting record or positions on issues play in that characterization, in your mind?Sam Lowry said:How do you distinguish a candidate who's merely opposed to your worldview from one who is "diametrically" opposed? Is it just a matter of how strongly you feel? If Oso doesn't feel as strongly about a particular issue, can he vote his conscience and still be a conservative?Mothra said:Depends on the alternative, and how strongly I feel about the policy at issue. In the case of the Ukraine war, it seems only a handful of Republicans oppose funding it. So what good is it to vote for the Democrat on a policy that is largely bipartisan?Sam Lowry said:I'm against the war, but plenty of Republicans other than Trump are for it. Both US senators from Texas, for example. If you don't support it, will you vote for people who do? Isn't that a distinction without a difference?Mothra said:You already know the answer to this one. It's one of the reasons I voted for Trump, as he kept us out of unnecessary wars.Sam Lowry said:Is the Ukrainian proxy war against your conservative values?Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:So you do vote for things that you don't support.Mothra said:Not agreeing with a conservative candidate on every issue is quite different from supporting a candidate that is diametrically opposed to all things conservatism.Sam Lowry said:Do Republicans do anything that you don't support?Mothra said:He's now pretending that his vote for a wokester like Rochelle Garza, the AG candidate who supported defunding police forces, was "committed to restoring abortion access in Texas," wanted to unionize Texas, and wanted to expand LGBTQ+ rights, is not a vote for any of those.Ghostrider said:a conservative that votes for abortion, illegal immigration, higher taxes, etc. You sure?Osodecentx said:Mothra said:
You can call yourself whatever you want. Bottom line is you vote for the party of wokeism. I am just glad you've finally admitted it, and dropped any pretenses you were actually conservative.
Know thyself.
I'm the true Conservative, not Republican hack
In other words, he doesn't support those things, he just voted for people who do. What he doesn't realize is that's a distinction without a difference. He's stupid in that way.
Surely even someone as intellectually dishonest as yourself won't deny that.
How many Democrats did you vote for in the last election?
To reiterate, my obtuse and intellectually dishonest friend, I don't vote for politicians who support policies that are diametrically opposed to my conservative beliefs. No reasonable conservative would.
Tell us, which Democrats did you support this last election cycle?
Since you didn't vote for Trump, tell us, are you in favor of proxy wars against Russia? Or is that just something you're willing to accept as the price of getting rid of the mean tweets?
As I tried to explain to you above to no avail, I don't vote for candidates who are diametrically opposed to my conservative worldview - much like yourself. It's the same reason you have never voted Democrat, or could not support someone who is pro-choice. No reasonable person who claims to be conservative would vote for a candidate with views that are diametrically opposed to his own purported views. That's insanity.
And yes, supporting a candidate who will work to employ policies that are the antithesis of conservatism is supporting those policies, whether tacit or not. It's pretty shocking that any reasonable person would try to defend such logic (or lack thereof).
Completely agree with the first paragraph. I believe how a person votes, the candidates he financially supports, and where he stands on certain issues are what give him the right to call himself conservative. In other words, it is not a fungible concept, but one defined by clear parameters - those I just mentioned. Sam seems to feel differently, thus, my questions.Osodecentx said:Doesn't that question cut any number of ways.Mothra said:Do you believe "conservative" to be some fungible concept, with no clearly defined parameters? In other words, if a person such as Oso "feels" he is conservative, that means he's conservative, as long as of course he's voting his "conscience," regardless of the issue or candidate? What role, if any, does a person's voting record or positions on issues play in that characterization, in your mind?Sam Lowry said:How do you distinguish a candidate who's merely opposed to your worldview from one who is "diametrically" opposed? Is it just a matter of how strongly you feel? If Oso doesn't feel as strongly about a particular issue, can he vote his conscience and still be a conservative?Mothra said:Depends on the alternative, and how strongly I feel about the policy at issue. In the case of the Ukraine war, it seems only a handful of Republicans oppose funding it. So what good is it to vote for the Democrat on a policy that is largely bipartisan?Sam Lowry said:I'm against the war, but plenty of Republicans other than Trump are for it. Both US senators from Texas, for example. If you don't support it, will you vote for people who do? Isn't that a distinction without a difference?Mothra said:You already know the answer to this one. It's one of the reasons I voted for Trump, as he kept us out of unnecessary wars.Sam Lowry said:Is the Ukrainian proxy war against your conservative values?Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:So you do vote for things that you don't support.Mothra said:Not agreeing with a conservative candidate on every issue is quite different from supporting a candidate that is diametrically opposed to all things conservatism.Sam Lowry said:Do Republicans do anything that you don't support?Mothra said:He's now pretending that his vote for a wokester like Rochelle Garza, the AG candidate who supported defunding police forces, was "committed to restoring abortion access in Texas," wanted to unionize Texas, and wanted to expand LGBTQ+ rights, is not a vote for any of those.Ghostrider said:a conservative that votes for abortion, illegal immigration, higher taxes, etc. You sure?Osodecentx said:Mothra said:
You can call yourself whatever you want. Bottom line is you vote for the party of wokeism. I am just glad you've finally admitted it, and dropped any pretenses you were actually conservative.
Know thyself.
I'm the true Conservative, not Republican hack
In other words, he doesn't support those things, he just voted for people who do. What he doesn't realize is that's a distinction without a difference. He's stupid in that way.
Surely even someone as intellectually dishonest as yourself won't deny that.
How many Democrats did you vote for in the last election?
To reiterate, my obtuse and intellectually dishonest friend, I don't vote for politicians who support policies that are diametrically opposed to my conservative beliefs. No reasonable conservative would.
Tell us, which Democrats did you support this last election cycle?
Since you didn't vote for Trump, tell us, are you in favor of proxy wars against Russia? Or is that just something you're willing to accept as the price of getting rid of the mean tweets?
As I tried to explain to you above to no avail, I don't vote for candidates who are diametrically opposed to my conservative worldview - much like yourself. It's the same reason you have never voted Democrat, or could not support someone who is pro-choice. No reasonable person who claims to be conservative would vote for a candidate with views that are diametrically opposed to his own purported views. That's insanity.
And yes, supporting a candidate who will work to employ policies that are the antithesis of conservatism is supporting those policies, whether tacit or not. It's pretty shocking that any reasonable person would try to defend such logic (or lack thereof).
In other words, if a person such as Mothra "feels" he is conservative, does that means he's conservative,
We've discussed this before. Youand I don't get to decide what conservative is.
No. Their statements and voting record are important. But you didn't answer my questions.Mothra said:Do you believe "conservative" to be some fungible concept, with no clearly defined parameters? In other words, if a person such as Oso "feels" he is conservative, that means he's conservative, as long as of course he's voting his "conscience," regardless of the issue or candidate? What role, if any, does a person's voting record or positions on issues play in that characterization, in your mind?Sam Lowry said:How do you distinguish a candidate who's merely opposed to your worldview from one who is "diametrically" opposed? Is it just a matter of how strongly you feel? If Oso doesn't feel as strongly about a particular issue, can he vote his conscience and still be a conservative?Mothra said:Depends on the alternative, and how strongly I feel about the policy at issue. In the case of the Ukraine war, it seems only a handful of Republicans oppose funding it. So what good is it to vote for the Democrat on a policy that is largely bipartisan?Sam Lowry said:I'm against the war, but plenty of Republicans other than Trump are for it. Both US senators from Texas, for example. If you don't support it, will you vote for people who do? Isn't that a distinction without a difference?Mothra said:You already know the answer to this one. It's one of the reasons I voted for Trump, as he kept us out of unnecessary wars.Sam Lowry said:Is the Ukrainian proxy war against your conservative values?Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:So you do vote for things that you don't support.Mothra said:Not agreeing with a conservative candidate on every issue is quite different from supporting a candidate that is diametrically opposed to all things conservatism.Sam Lowry said:Do Republicans do anything that you don't support?Mothra said:He's now pretending that his vote for a wokester like Rochelle Garza, the AG candidate who supported defunding police forces, was "committed to restoring abortion access in Texas," wanted to unionize Texas, and wanted to expand LGBTQ+ rights, is not a vote for any of those.Ghostrider said:a conservative that votes for abortion, illegal immigration, higher taxes, etc. You sure?Osodecentx said:Mothra said:
You can call yourself whatever you want. Bottom line is you vote for the party of wokeism. I am just glad you've finally admitted it, and dropped any pretenses you were actually conservative.
Know thyself.
I'm the true Conservative, not Republican hack
In other words, he doesn't support those things, he just voted for people who do. What he doesn't realize is that's a distinction without a difference. He's stupid in that way.
Surely even someone as intellectually dishonest as yourself won't deny that.
How many Democrats did you vote for in the last election?
To reiterate, my obtuse and intellectually dishonest friend, I don't vote for politicians who support policies that are diametrically opposed to my conservative beliefs. No reasonable conservative would.
Tell us, which Democrats did you support this last election cycle?
Since you didn't vote for Trump, tell us, are you in favor of proxy wars against Russia? Or is that just something you're willing to accept as the price of getting rid of the mean tweets?
As I tried to explain to you above to no avail, I don't vote for candidates who are diametrically opposed to my conservative worldview - much like yourself. It's the same reason you have never voted Democrat, or could not support someone who is pro-choice. No reasonable person who claims to be conservative would vote for a candidate with views that are diametrically opposed to his own purported views. That's insanity.
And yes, supporting a candidate who will work to employ policies that are the antithesis of conservatism is supporting those policies, whether tacit or not. It's pretty shocking that any reasonable person would try to defend such logic (or lack thereof).
I never have, unless you count Trump as pro-LGBT. I suppose I might, if the candidate a was moderate on those issues, they agreed with me on most other things, and their opponent was exceptionally bad.Quote:
So, it sounds like you have never (and would never) vote for candidates who support such issues because they are opposed to your conservative beliefs. Correct?