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In reply to Mothra • 7:50a, 11/7/23
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whiterock said:
So, once again. a poll with Trump losing to Biden, but Biden losing to other Republican contenders.

It's a damn shame Republicans can't wake up and figure out we have better options than a geriatric loser and re-tread who is likely to lose. Again.
LOL, not exactly the right take. This one is a relative outlier.

We have an A+ NYT poll showing Trump winning in a landslide, and then we have this one showing Trump running behind all his GOP competitors. Obviously the two polls are not sampling the same universe. So which one is correct? Is this one spun to help Desantis? or is the NYT poll spun to help Trump?

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In reply to whiterock • 9:41a, 11/7/23
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Mothra said:
whiterock said:
So, once again. a poll with Trump losing to Biden, but Biden losing to other Republican contenders.

It's a damn shame Republicans can't wake up and figure out we have better options than a geriatric loser and re-tread who is likely to lose. Again.
LOL, not exactly the right take. This one is a relative outlier.

We have an A+ NYT poll showing Trump winning in a landslide, and then we have this one showing Trump running behind all his GOP competitors. Obviously the two polls are not sampling the same universe. So which one is correct? Is this one spun to help Desantis? or is the NYT poll spun to help Trump?

LOL. Outlier, and not the right take because it disagrees with your take. I get it.

Several polls have said the same thing. This isn't the only one. I posted another a couple of weeks ago earlier in this thread. Guess we will see if you're right, since Trump is going to be the nominee. But my money says you're wrong, and going to be sorely disappointed. Just like last time.

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In reply to Mothra • 11:29a, 11/7/23
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
So, once again. a poll with Trump losing to Biden, but Biden losing to other Republican contenders.

It's a damn shame Republicans can't wake up and figure out we have better options than a geriatric loser and re-tread who is likely to lose. Again.
LOL, not exactly the right take. This one is a relative outlier.

We have an A+ NYT poll showing Trump winning in a landslide, and then we have this one showing Trump running behind all his GOP competitors. Obviously the two polls are not sampling the same universe. So which one is correct? Is this one spun to help Desantis? or is the NYT poll spun to help Trump?

LOL. Outlier, and not the right take because it disagrees with your take. I get it.

Several polls have said the same thing. This isn't the only one. I posted another a couple of weeks ago earlier in this thread. Guess we will see if you're right, since Trump is going to be the nominee. But my money says you're wrong, and going to be sorely disappointed. Just like last time.

one out of five polls this week says Trump loses and the other four say Trump wins. Which one is the outlier? Why are the Democrats trying to force Joe Biden to step down so they can run somebody else?

As for a poll from couple of weeks ago, things change dramatically within a week in politics..

I am voting for RFK.. 2024 gonna be a hoot
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In reply to 4th and Inches • 11:43a, 11/7/23
4th and Inches said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
So, once again. a poll with Trump losing to Biden, but Biden losing to other Republican contenders.

It's a damn shame Republicans can't wake up and figure out we have better options than a geriatric loser and re-tread who is likely to lose. Again.
LOL, not exactly the right take. This one is a relative outlier.

We have an A+ NYT poll showing Trump winning in a landslide, and then we have this one showing Trump running behind all his GOP competitors. Obviously the two polls are not sampling the same universe. So which one is correct? Is this one spun to help Desantis? or is the NYT poll spun to help Trump?

LOL. Outlier, and not the right take because it disagrees with your take. I get it.

Several polls have said the same thing. This isn't the only one. I posted another a couple of weeks ago earlier in this thread. Guess we will see if you're right, since Trump is going to be the nominee. But my money says you're wrong, and going to be sorely disappointed. Just like last time.

one out of five polls this week says Trump loses and the other four say Trump wins. Which one is the outlier? Why are the Democrats trying to force Joe Biden to step down so they can run somebody else?

As for a poll from couple of weeks ago, things change dramatically within a week in politics..

I am voting for RFK.. 2024 gonna be a hoot
The one that says Trump loses, of course.

But it's good some people are confident in Trump winning, I guess. I am sure nothing will go wrong.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 11:58a, 11/7/23
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4th and Inches said:
FLBear5630 said:
Osodecentx said:
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
4th and Inches said:
FLBear5630 said:
Cobretti said:
Polls are polls, but when it comes time to pull the lever (dating myself with old voting machines) I am not sure the votes will be there for Donald. I suspect we are seeing his ceiling with his die hard supporters, not much room for growth
51 vs 48 against Biden in recent poll shows popular vote win as well as electoral win. He doesnt need more ceiling than that.. 3 percent MOE and plus 50 is a strong poll.

Agree that polls dont equal votes but looking at the messaging from Dems, they are worried
"We won, the last time, 50 states, think of it, 50 states," he told the Freedom Summit, outside Orlando, Florida. "We won every state. We then did great in the election. We got 12 million more votes or so … 12 million more votes than we got the first time."
and..

What does that have to do with polls?


The Republican leader in the poll is delusional, may be approaching Biden levels of mental acuity
lol

Largest inauguration crowd ever..

Dude, it's Trump. He embellishes..

He panders like a politician.
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Best Ever, Like you have never seen before.
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Fact Check: Did Donald Trump Call Republicans 'Dumbest Voters' in U.S.?


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The false quote has been in circulation since 2015. People Magazine, alleged to have printed the quote, told factcheck.org that year it had no record of having ever done so. It found no archives of the quote and said there was no interview in 1998. Further searches for the quote by factcheck.org returned no archived results.
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In reply to 4th and Inches • 12:41p, 11/7/23
4th and Inches said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
So, once again. a poll with Trump losing to Biden, but Biden losing to other Republican contenders.

It's a damn shame Republicans can't wake up and figure out we have better options than a geriatric loser and re-tread who is likely to lose. Again.
LOL, not exactly the right take. This one is a relative outlier.

We have an A+ NYT poll showing Trump winning in a landslide, and then we have this one showing Trump running behind all his GOP competitors. Obviously the two polls are not sampling the same universe. So which one is correct? Is this one spun to help Desantis? or is the NYT poll spun to help Trump?

LOL. Outlier, and not the right take because it disagrees with your take. I get it.

Several polls have said the same thing. This isn't the only one. I posted another a couple of weeks ago earlier in this thread. Guess we will see if you're right, since Trump is going to be the nominee. But my money says you're wrong, and going to be sorely disappointed. Just like last time.

one out of five polls this week says Trump loses and the other four say Trump wins. Which one is the outlier? Why are the Democrats trying to force Joe Biden to step down so they can run somebody else?

As for a poll from couple of weeks ago, things change dramatically within a week in politics..

I am voting for RFK.. 2024 gonna be a hoot


Another non-outlier

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1:08p, 11/7/23
Biden Checks His Latest Poll Numbers To See If Israel Still Has Right To Defend Itself
WASHINGTON, D.C. According to sources, President Biden has been awaiting results from the latest polls to see if giving Israel a right to defend itself is a popular thing or if they should just be annihilated or whatever.
"The Biden Administration plans to announce harsh condemnation of Hamas or maybe Israel," said Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre, "We're still waiting for pollsters to get back with us on which condemnation is morally just."
Sources say Presidential approval numbers have dropped in recent weeks, as Biden has been torn between appeasing his supporters who are pro-Israel, and appeasing his supporters who want to shed every last drop of Jewish blood until the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are erased from existence.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been overheard disagreeing slightly with the Biden Administration's standing policy of letting poll numbers determine a nation's right to not be swept from the face of the earth. "We would prefer that Biden endorse our right to live," said the Prime Minister diplomatically.
At publishing time, President Biden had called for the complete annihilation of Israel after checking the results of a poll from Harvard University.
https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-checks-latest-poll-numbers-to-see-if-israel-still-has-right-to-defend-itself

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In reply to whiterock • 2:30p, 11/7/23
whiterock said:
4th and Inches said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
So, once again. a poll with Trump losing to Biden, but Biden losing to other Republican contenders.

It's a damn shame Republicans can't wake up and figure out we have better options than a geriatric loser and re-tread who is likely to lose. Again.
LOL, not exactly the right take. This one is a relative outlier.

We have an A+ NYT poll showing Trump winning in a landslide, and then we have this one showing Trump running behind all his GOP competitors. Obviously the two polls are not sampling the same universe. So which one is correct? Is this one spun to help Desantis? or is the NYT poll spun to help Trump?

LOL. Outlier, and not the right take because it disagrees with your take. I get it.

Several polls have said the same thing. This isn't the only one. I posted another a couple of weeks ago earlier in this thread. Guess we will see if you're right, since Trump is going to be the nominee. But my money says you're wrong, and going to be sorely disappointed. Just like last time.

one out of five polls this week says Trump loses and the other four say Trump wins. Which one is the outlier? Why are the Democrats trying to force Joe Biden to step down so they can run somebody else?

As for a poll from couple of weeks ago, things change dramatically within a week in politics..

I am voting for RFK.. 2024 gonna be a hoot


Another non-outlier

Haley does better in General than Trump. Will GOP let her compete? OR, more Trump.



Haley Has Largest Lead over Biden of Any GOP Candidate in New Poll | National Review
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What's Behind Kennedy's Poll Numbers? Voters Dread a Trump-Biden Rematch.
Frustration with the two men likely to be the major parties' nominees has led voters to entertain the idea of other options, New York Times/Siena College polls found.

A looming rematch next year between President Biden and former President Donald J. Trump has left voters deeply dissatisfied with their options, longing for alternatives and curious about independent candidates like Robert F. Kennedy Jr., according to new polls of six battleground states conducted by The New York Times and Siena College.
Both Mr. Biden and Mr. Trump are viewed unfavorably by a majority of voters in these states, one-fifth of voters don't like either of them, and enthusiasm about the coming election is down sharply compared with a poll conducted before the 2020 contest.

That frustration and malaise have prompted voters to entertain the idea of other options. When asked about the likeliest 2024 matchup, Mr. Biden versus Mr. Trump, only 2 percent of those polled said they would support another candidate. But when Mr. Kennedy's name was included as an option, nearly a quarter said they would choose him.
That number almost surely inflates the support of Mr. Kennedy, the political scion and vaccine skeptic, because two-thirds of those who said they would back him had said earlier that they would definitely or probably vote for one of the two front-runners.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/07/us/politics/rfk-jr-trump-biden-poll.html

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3:46p, 11/7/23
Interesting 3-way race polling. Of course, there's likely to be 4-6 on the ballot.

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In reply to FLBear5630 • 3:47p, 11/7/23
FLBear5630 said:
whiterock said:
4th and Inches said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
So, once again. a poll with Trump losing to Biden, but Biden losing to other Republican contenders.

It's a damn shame Republicans can't wake up and figure out we have better options than a geriatric loser and re-tread who is likely to lose. Again.
LOL, not exactly the right take. This one is a relative outlier.

We have an A+ NYT poll showing Trump winning in a landslide, and then we have this one showing Trump running behind all his GOP competitors. Obviously the two polls are not sampling the same universe. So which one is correct? Is this one spun to help Desantis? or is the NYT poll spun to help Trump?

LOL. Outlier, and not the right take because it disagrees with your take. I get it.

Several polls have said the same thing. This isn't the only one. I posted another a couple of weeks ago earlier in this thread. Guess we will see if you're right, since Trump is going to be the nominee. But my money says you're wrong, and going to be sorely disappointed. Just like last time.

one out of five polls this week says Trump loses and the other four say Trump wins. Which one is the outlier? Why are the Democrats trying to force Joe Biden to step down so they can run somebody else?

As for a poll from couple of weeks ago, things change dramatically within a week in politics..

I am voting for RFK.. 2024 gonna be a hoot


Another non-outlier

Haley does better in General than Trump. Will GOP let her compete? OR, more Trump.



Haley Has Largest Lead over Biden of Any GOP Candidate in New Poll | National Review

GOP voters will decide that.

In a couple she does better. Most of them she either does not or not significantly.

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In reply to Cobretti • 8:36p, 11/7/23
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and.. they did in 2020 and 2022
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11:39p, 11/7/23
Another bad election night for the Repubs, unfortunately.

But I am sure we can all trust Trump to do much better.
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In reply to Mothra • 12:22a, 11/8/23
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Another bad election night for the Repubs, unfortunately.

But I am sure we can all trust Trump to do much better.


He can't do much worse.

Honestly he gave the GOP a presidential win against Hillary that it did not deserve and might never get again.

There is just not much of a constituency out there for what the GOP is selling: foreign wars, tax cuts for the rich, mass immigration (without citizenship), slavish devotion to Israel and Wall St., etc

And the demographic transformation (that they helped bring about) is crushing them





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5:25a, 11/8/23
Another rough night for GOP to quote FOX.

You sure you want to believe those polls showing how everyone wants Trump? I am telling you, if it looks too good, it is. We are being fed what Dems and media want GOP to see, to run Trump. They are counting on "reasonable" GOP types more interested in how they are perceived than winning. Trump runs, it will be another 2020.


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/youngkin-falls-short-mission-win-total-gop-control-virginia-state-legislature
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 9:32a, 11/8/23
FLBear5630 said:
4th and Inches said:
FLBear5630 said:
Osodecentx said:
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
4th and Inches said:
FLBear5630 said:
Cobretti said:
Polls are polls, but when it comes time to pull the lever (dating myself with old voting machines) I am not sure the votes will be there for Donald. I suspect we are seeing his ceiling with his die hard supporters, not much room for growth
51 vs 48 against Biden in recent poll shows popular vote win as well as electoral win. He doesnt need more ceiling than that.. 3 percent MOE and plus 50 is a strong poll.

Agree that polls dont equal votes but looking at the messaging from Dems, they are worried
"We won, the last time, 50 states, think of it, 50 states," he told the Freedom Summit, outside Orlando, Florida. "We won every state. We then did great in the election. We got 12 million more votes or so … 12 million more votes than we got the first time."
and..

What does that have to do with polls?


The Republican leader in the poll is delusional, may be approaching Biden levels of mental acuity
lol

Largest inauguration crowd ever..

Dude, it's Trump. He embellishes..

He panders like a politician.
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the meme is a lie.
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 10:21a, 11/8/23
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Mothra said:
Another bad election night for the Repubs, unfortunately.

But I am sure we can all trust Trump to do much better.


He can't do much worse.

Honestly he gave the GOP a presidential win against Hillary that it did not deserve and might never get again.

There is just not much of a constituency out there for what the GOP is selling: foreign wars, tax cuts for the rich, mass immigration (without citizenship), slavish devotion to Israel and Wall St., etc

And the demographic transformation (that they helped bring about) is crushing them





I don't believe he'll get the chance to, when he loses once again. Trump's lone win was against a historically weak and unlikable Democrat candidate in HRC. He hasn't won anything since, and there's no reason to think it will be different the third time, IMO.

I like some of the things Trump brought to the GOP (limiting involvement in foreign conflicts, trying to enforce border control, trying to limit China's influence). Other things, not so much (out of control spending, pettiness, inability to follow through on campaign promises). If the GOP can't do better than him, it is indeed in trouble.
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10:42a, 11/8/23
Rod Dreher:

Bad Day For Republicans, The Unborn
I woke up this morning to the following text from an American conservative friend:
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I don't know if you've been paying attention to the election results in America yesterday.

Conservatives LOST. Big time.

In any state where child sacrifice was on the ballot, such as Kentucky, or even recently-conservative Ohio, child sacrifice won. This winning streak is unbroken since last year, and even includes dark red Kansas. Americans demand their child sacrifice. Period.

Secondly, in other states where abortion was not on the ballot, such as purple Virginia, Republicans still lost. Despite Biden's atrocious poll numbers, and the deeply divided Democratic Party, the fact that most Americans live paycheck to paycheck, we are on the brink of a 3-front war, and on and on, it doesn't matter. Poll numbers don't even matter anymore. It's all about turning out your voters, and the Democrats have a much more sophisticated get out the vote national apparatus, and have approximately 5 times the money. They are not going to lose anytime soon, and certainly not in 2024.
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 11:28a, 11/8/23
Redbrickbear said:
Mothra said:
Another bad election night for the Repubs, unfortunately.

But I am sure we can all trust Trump to do much better.


He can't do much worse.

Honestly he gave the GOP a presidential win against Hillary that it did not deserve and might never get again.

There is just not much of a constituency out there for what the GOP is selling: foreign wars, tax cuts for the rich, mass immigration (without citizenship), slavish devotion to Israel and Wall St., etc

And the demographic transformation (that they helped bring about) is crushing them





Yet, the GOPers keep saying but the polls... Dems are showing them exactly what they want to see. If it is too good, it is not real. Trump going up no matter what negatives come out? Looking forward to Primaries to fact check, maybe we can then run Haley or DeSantis real candidates.
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In reply to Cobretti • 1:24p, 11/8/23
Cobretti said:
FLBear5630 said:
4th and Inches said:
FLBear5630 said:
Osodecentx said:
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
4th and Inches said:
FLBear5630 said:
Cobretti said:
Polls are polls, but when it comes time to pull the lever (dating myself with old voting machines) I am not sure the votes will be there for Donald. I suspect we are seeing his ceiling with his die hard supporters, not much room for growth
51 vs 48 against Biden in recent poll shows popular vote win as well as electoral win. He doesnt need more ceiling than that.. 3 percent MOE and plus 50 is a strong poll.

Agree that polls dont equal votes but looking at the messaging from Dems, they are worried
"We won, the last time, 50 states, think of it, 50 states," he told the Freedom Summit, outside Orlando, Florida. "We won every state. We then did great in the election. We got 12 million more votes or so … 12 million more votes than we got the first time."
and..

What does that have to do with polls?


The Republican leader in the poll is delusional, may be approaching Biden levels of mental acuity
lol

Largest inauguration crowd ever..

Dude, it's Trump. He embellishes..

He panders like a politician.
HUGE111
Best Ever, Like you have never seen before.
exactly..
Fact Check: Did Donald Trump Call Republicans 'Dumbest Voters' in U.S.?


Quote:
The false quote has been in circulation since 2015. People Magazine, alleged to have printed the quote, told factcheck.org that year it had no record of having ever done so. It found no archives of the quote and said there was no interview in 1998. Further searches for the quote by factcheck.org returned no archived results.
No, he did not. Won't matter. Stuff like this all over with him running. Just add Jan 6th, Court Cases and Jan 6t Commission. Gonna be a non-stop ****-show.
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 5:33p, 11/8/23
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This sums it up. Unpopular positions, won't act as a block and are more interested in calling out their own R's as RINOs. Not a good combo. But the polls said a Red Wave is coming. Run Haley, win and govern. Pretty straight forward, little drama...
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Redbrickbear said:


This sums it up. Unpopular positions, won't act as a block and are more interested in calling out their own R's as RINOs. Not a good combo. But the polls said a Red Wave is coming. Run Haley, win and govern. Pretty straight forward, little drama...


Drive the moderates out of the tent
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In reply to Osodecentx • 5:54p, 11/8/23
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FLBear5630 said:
Redbrickbear said:


This sums it up. Unpopular positions, won't act as a block and are more interested in calling out their own R's as RINOs. Not a good combo. But the polls said a Red Wave is coming. Run Haley, win and govern. Pretty straight forward, little drama...


Drive the moderates out of the tent


The GOP does not lose elections because it's lost "moderates"….but because it lost the country demographically



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In reply to Redbrickbear • 6:32p, 11/8/23
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
FLBear5630 said:
Redbrickbear said:


This sums it up. Unpopular positions, won't act as a block and are more interested in calling out their own R's as RINOs. Not a good combo. But the polls said a Red Wave is coming. Run Haley, win and govern. Pretty straight forward, little drama...


Drive the moderates out of the tent


The GOP does not lose elections because it's lost "moderates"….but because it lost the country demographically





Like I said…
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In reply to Osodecentx • 6:37p, 11/8/23
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Redbrickbear said:
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This sums it up. Unpopular positions, won't act as a block and are more interested in calling out their own R's as RINOs. Not a good combo. But the polls said a Red Wave is coming. Run Haley, win and govern. Pretty straight forward, little drama...


Drive the moderates out of the tent


The GOP does not lose elections because it's lost "moderates"….but because it lost the country demographically





Like I said…


Like I said…

moderates are not why the GOP is losing…it's losing because America has been forcibly racially transformed/reconstructed
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In reply to boognish_bear • 6:58p, 11/8/23
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Thats probably the best pick he could make and I think they would win.
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