FLBear5630 said:
whiterock said:
FLBear5630 said:
whiterock said:
FLBear5630 said:
Standing behind the most polarizing, destructive politician in our history? No thanks. Trump has no business being in public office. HOW ABOUT YOU STANDING BEHIND HALEY? She can actually Govern.
I will if she gets the nomination.
I do agree, however, that Biden is the most polarizing, destructive politician in our history.
Same with Trump. If he is the option, I will vote for him over Biden or any of the Dems. BUT, the question is still open. He is not the nominee. Attacking those that support Haley, DeSantis or Christie as being Neo Cons, closet liberals or any other derogatory label doesn't paint Trump/MAGA as a great uniter. It reenforces the Authoritarian/Facist fears some have about Trump, just like the idiots on Jan 6th storming the Capital. Didn't help...
Hate to tell you this, but your liberal friends were quite convinced that you are deplorable (if somewhat more benignly so than others) long before Donald Trump arrived on the scene. Remember the Iron Law of Woke Projection = anything they accuse you of is something they are already doing. Their own intolerant authoritarianism shapes their interpretation of the acts and motives of others. NEVER let people like that dictate parameters to you.
I'm probably going to vote for Vivek in the primary. He won't win it, of course, but nobody on the stage does a better job of explaining what healthy social contract looks like and that needs to be rewarded.
You keep mistaking my position has anything to do with liberal friends or whether they like me. My position is purely pragmatic. We can't have 4 more years of this crap.
If Trump wins it will be a constant slog of attacks against him. He will ensure EVERY Dem AND Independent that hates him is active and working to ensure he gets nothing done. He is unable to Govern, period. He needs to become the next Rush Limbaugh and use the media, along with his rallies, to get his message out. He is a non-starter as a Public Official and the Libs will see he never wins.
If Biden wins we are done, it will be almost impossible to recover from 4 more years of these policies. He is the worst thing that has happened to the US.
Because of those 2 suppositions, we need someone that may not be as far right as Trump, but can Govern. Haley fits that mold. She is still right of Center, but will give on some issues Dems care about more than the Avg GOPer. Media likes her and so does Industry. That means she can win and get things done. Sign me up.
No more of this polarized politics. I could care less if Libs like me or not. I see a China train coming that we are not prepared to defend.
Here are the faulty assumptions in your argument::
1) that Democrats will be nice to anyone else on the stage
2) that the MSM is going to ever let the GOP message get out
3) that the Democrats want what you want (divisive politics to end).
Reality is the opposite of all three.
Recall departing approval #"s for Bushes: "Kinder, Gentler politics." "Compassionate conservatism."
Recall the rhetoric from the left during the Reagan years ("fascist," "loose canon," gonna get us nuked....")
Democrats do not play nice.
Anybody who does not agree with is deplorable.
The caucus of "people like you" (not terribly ideological) in the Democrat Party is vanishingly small, and declining, but more important.....they invariably appreciate the radicals in their caucus, see them as allies, are glad that someone else has to do the unseemly part of politics (throwing bombs at the other side), and work together them in tandem, motte & bailey and/or good cop/bad cop.... How many lefties on this board have ever criticized anyone on their side AT ALL much less the way it is fashionable for Republicans to criticize Donald Trump.
Wake up. Politics is a polarizing business for the left. It's what they do. And it's going to go on for at least 4 more years, because the two nominees are BOTH polarizing people.
I'm sure you heard in your uniform days the phrase "if you're taking flak, you're over the target." Trump is both flawed and undisciplined, but the primary reason he takes flak is because he's over the target. Democrats fear him not because of his flaws but because they know he is fearless and will NOT back down. They can't bully him to get the big compromise (like Bush 41 agreeing to a tax increase). So they have to bully all his supporters to abandon him. Don't fall for it. They'll do the same thing to you no matter how nice you are.
If Democrats are not squealing like stuck pigs over your nominee, you nominated the wrong person.
