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In reply to Realitybites • 12:21p, 1/7/24
Realitybites said:
Scenario: Trump wins the primary, but is convicted in a handful of kangaroo courts and imprisoned. The RNC agrees to install Haley as the nominee. If they don't, Trump is Epsteined in prison and they are forced to install Haley as the nominee. Biden dies/steps down/whatever and it becomes a Haley-Harris-RFK race. The establishment of both parties counts on either Haley or Harris winning and giving them most of the policies they want.
In any conviction of Trump, the appeals process would be delayed until after the election.
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In reply to Realitybites • 1:56p, 1/7/24
Realitybites said:
Scenario: Trump wins the primary, but is convicted in a handful of kangaroo courts and imprisoned. The RNC agrees to install Haley as the nominee. If they don't, Trump is Epsteined in prison and they are forced to install Haley as the nominee. Biden dies/steps down/whatever and it becomes a Haley-Harris-RFK race. The establishment of both parties counts on either Haley or Harris winning and giving them most of the policies they want.


To equate Haley to Harris is laughable. As for Trump, if they are considered kangaroo courts, we will have another Jan 6th which will further alienate the GOP from mainstream America making winning in the future even more difficult. Let's hope he is innocent or the evidence presented is overwhelming.
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In reply to whiterock • 10:35a, 1/8/24
whiterock said:
Note independent numbers

I will believe it when I see it on election day.
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10:42a, 1/8/24
In one week after the Iowa Caucus we will know the exact status of the Desantis campaign. It's a one game elimination event for him.
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In reply to Realitybites • 10:47a, 1/8/24
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In one week after the Iowa Caucus we will know the exact status of the Desantis campaign. It's a one game elimination event for him.
Unfortunately, that books already written. He's done. Last week there were internal meetings about dropping out to save face before Iowa, but they decided they could not do that to their supported there. It's all about '28 now, so he will endorse Trump.
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In reply to sombear • 10:52a, 1/8/24
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Realitybites said:
In one week after the Iowa Caucus we will know the exact status of the Desantis campaign. It's a one game elimination event for him.
Unfortunately, that books already written. He's done. Last week there were internal meetings about dropping out to save face before Iowa, but they decided they could not do that to their supported there. It's all about '28 now, so he will endorse Trump.
He really shot himself in the foot by not just playing for 28 and publicly supporting Trump. Now Vivek would be in line to get all the Maga voters in 28 since he played his cards right.
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In reply to muddybrazos • 11:11a, 1/8/24
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sombear said:
Realitybites said:
In one week after the Iowa Caucus we will know the exact status of the Desantis campaign. It's a one game elimination event for him.
Unfortunately, that books already written. He's done. Last week there were internal meetings about dropping out to save face before Iowa, but they decided they could not do that to their supported there. It's all about '28 now, so he will endorse Trump.
He really shot himself in the foot by not just playing for 28 and publicly supporting Trump. Now Vivek would be in line to get all the Maga voters in 28 since he played his cards right.
In hindsight, yes, but few predicted Trump would be so strong at this point, and he can thank the Dems and their frivolous lawsuits and other actions for that.
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In reply to Mothra • 10:00p, 1/8/24
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whiterock said:
Note independent numbers

I will believe it when I see it on election day.


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10:04p, 1/8/24
She is the worst crisis actor in politics. She doesn't think people are capable off doing anything without the federal government to protect them.

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In reply to Jack Bauer • 11:38p, 1/8/24
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She is the worst crisis actor in politics. She doesn't think people are capable off doing anything without the federal government to protect them.

Don't think Michelle Obama wants the prez gig, but makes me wonder if she's going to start pushing for a Susan Rice type flip at the DNC convention.
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Insightful…..

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4:46a, 1/11/24
Stanford Data: Clearest indicator I've seen of how the landscape has flipped. Formerly red professional/educated classes have gone woke; while the traditionally blue working/middle classes have gone red. Explains much about Trump appeal/aversion, here on this discussion board and in the society at large. Nearly all posters here are in a demographic which should be blue, and even those who are red struggle to understand Trump dynamic.

it's not about Trump. It's about class. The GOP is now a populist, working class party. The traditional Reganite factions (fiscal conservatives, foreign policy conservatives, and social conservatives) are going to have find a way to make a productive peace with the great mass of people who have to wash their hands when they get home every day, because that's the available allies.

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6:30a, 1/11/24
Not particularly surprising given the degree of institutional capture by the woke left. Many who have or aspire to a six figure job in government or business will have to bow the knee to their woke proclamations. Those whose income streams depend on government largess whether in the public or private sectors will probably be voting (D).

Working class Americans who are seeing their schools, communities, churches, health care, safety and purchasing power eviscerated by the former group will be voting MAGA. The reason someone like Haley will lose a general election is that although she wears the (R) label, the voters in this second group can see that she is as much a member of that first group as Hillary Clinton. There is considerable overlap between this second group and the traditional categories of "faith based" conservatives and "fiscal" (small government) conservatives.

National security conservatives - Neocons - are increasingly aligned with the democrats as institutional capture of the DOD/Military by the left has occurred as well and the increasingly precarious financial situation of the United States puts them into conflict with fiscal conservatives.
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In reply to Realitybites • 7:54a, 1/11/24
Realitybites said:
Not particularly surprising given the degree of institutional capture by the woke left. Many who have or aspire to a six figure job in government or business will have to bow the knee to their woke proclamations. Those whose income streams depend on government largess whether in the public or private sectors will probably be voting (D).

Working class Americans who are seeing their schools, communities, churches, health care, safety and purchasing power eviscerated by the former group will be voting MAGA. The reason someone like Haley will lose a general election is that although she wears the (R) label, the voters in this second group can see that she is as much a member of that first group as Hillary Clinton. There is considerable overlap between this second group and the traditional categories of "faith based" conservatives and "fiscal" (small government) conservatives.

National security conservatives - Neocons - are increasingly aligned with the democrats as institutional capture of the DOD/Military by the left has occurred as well and the increasingly precarious financial situation of the United States puts them into conflict with fiscal conservatives.
Neocons have always been uniparty globalists. They came out of the Democrat party in the late 70s and saw that they could take over the Republican party and bascially create the uniparty. They ran off the true conservatives who were the paleocons. The neocon Zionists are the worst thing that has happened to this country bc they pushed us into all of the foreign wars that only benefit Israel & the military industrial complex to the detriment of those who had to fight and pay for these wars.
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In reply to muddybrazos • 8:56a, 1/11/24
muddybrazos said:
Realitybites said:
Not particularly surprising given the degree of institutional capture by the woke left. Many who have or aspire to a six figure job in government or business will have to bow the knee to their woke proclamations. Those whose income streams depend on government largess whether in the public or private sectors will probably be voting (D).

Working class Americans who are seeing their schools, communities, churches, health care, safety and purchasing power eviscerated by the former group will be voting MAGA. The reason someone like Haley will lose a general election is that although she wears the (R) label, the voters in this second group can see that she is as much a member of that first group as Hillary Clinton. There is considerable overlap between this second group and the traditional categories of "faith based" conservatives and "fiscal" (small government) conservatives.

National security conservatives - Neocons - are increasingly aligned with the democrats as institutional capture of the DOD/Military by the left has occurred as well and the increasingly precarious financial situation of the United States puts them into conflict with fiscal conservatives.
Neocons have always been uniparty globalists. They came out of the Democrat party in the late 70s and saw that they could take over the Republican party and bascially create the uniparty. They ran off the true conservatives who were the paleocons. The neocon Zionists are the worst thing that has happened to this country bc they pushed us into all of the foreign wars that only benefit Israel & the military industrial complex to the detriment of those who had to fight and pay for these wars.
You're taking the anti-globalism position (which does have some merit) a couple of steps it too far. Yes, the foreign policy wonks (my "arena" my first 10 yrs after leaving BU grad school) are going to be "leaders" in focusing attention and direction on policy. No, they are not all profiteering warmongers leeching off the public trough. America DOES have foreign interests which far exceed the ones our founders faced. There are indeed powerful interests abroad seeking to clip our wings or worse and they cannot be left to find their own "level." Part & parcel of that is, a war machine has to have a supply chain capable of marshaling national wealth in wartime; keeping it open & flowing at lower levels has value, in that you cannot just turn such things on and off on a dime.

If you really do want to avoid war, our sons & daughters dying in a "big fires" conflict in Europe, then the best way to avoid that is to write the checks needed to get Ukraine to grind up the Russian war machine (which they are, indeed, doing) and send it back home (which can and will happen if we accelerate supplies to Kyiv.)

Note yesterday's comments by Swedish MOD telling its citizens to prepare for war. Surest way to invite a war is to fail to prepare for one.
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In reply to whiterock • 9:15a, 1/11/24
whiterock said:
muddybrazos said:
Realitybites said:
Not particularly surprising given the degree of institutional capture by the woke left. Many who have or aspire to a six figure job in government or business will have to bow the knee to their woke proclamations. Those whose income streams depend on government largess whether in the public or private sectors will probably be voting (D).

Working class Americans who are seeing their schools, communities, churches, health care, safety and purchasing power eviscerated by the former group will be voting MAGA. The reason someone like Haley will lose a general election is that although she wears the (R) label, the voters in this second group can see that she is as much a member of that first group as Hillary Clinton. There is considerable overlap between this second group and the traditional categories of "faith based" conservatives and "fiscal" (small government) conservatives.

National security conservatives - Neocons - are increasingly aligned with the democrats as institutional capture of the DOD/Military by the left has occurred as well and the increasingly precarious financial situation of the United States puts them into conflict with fiscal conservatives.
Neocons have always been uniparty globalists. They came out of the Democrat party in the late 70s and saw that they could take over the Republican party and bascially create the uniparty. They ran off the true conservatives who were the paleocons. The neocon Zionists are the worst thing that has happened to this country bc they pushed us into all of the foreign wars that only benefit Israel & the military industrial complex to the detriment of those who had to fight and pay for these wars.
You're taking the anti-globalism position (which does have some merit) a couple of steps it too far. Yes, the foreign policy wonks (my "arena" my first 10 yrs after leaving BU grad school) are going to be "leaders" in focusing attention and direction on policy. No, they are not all profiteering warmongers leeching off the public trough. America DOES have foreign interests which far exceed the ones our founders faced. There are indeed powerful interests abroad seeking to clip our wings or worse and they cannot be left to find their own "level." Part & parcel of that is, a war machine has to have a supply chain capable of marshaling national wealth in wartime; keeping it open & flowing at lower levels has value, in that you cannot just turn such things on and off on a dime.

If you really do want to avoid war, our sons & daughters dying in a "big fires" conflict in Europe, then the best way to avoid that is to write the checks needed to get Ukraine to grind up the Russian war machine (which they are, indeed, doing) and send it back home (which can and will happen if we accelerate supplies to Kyiv.)

Note yesterday's comments by Swedish MOD telling its citizens to prepare for war. Surest way to invite a war is to fail to prepare for one.
I respect Russia and admire their return to traditional culture and anti globohomo stance. We should have normalized relations with them and not done a color revolution in Ukraine in 2014. They dont want war with the west and we keep pushing them into it. They are still a world power and should be allowed to have influence over Ukraine like they always have had historically.

I also see that your CIA bros helped install Millei in Argentina bc they were going to be joining BRICS and America cant allow that. I'm not sure why your bros helped oust Bolsonaro, though.
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In reply to whiterock • 10:00a, 1/11/24
whiterock said:
Insightful…..

Agreed it is a losing battle. The Trump train on the Republican side is just too strong. So we are stuck with Trump as the Republican candidate, and then another 4 years of Biden after Trump gets smoked in 2024.
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In reply to Mothra • 10:25a, 1/11/24
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Insightful…..

Agreed it is a losing battle. The Trump train on the Republican side is just too strong. So we are stuck with Trump as the Republican candidate, and then another 4 years of Biden after Trump gets smoked in 2024.
And then (probably) 8 years of Nikki Haley
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In reply to Mothra • 10:25a, 1/11/24
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Insightful…..

Agreed it is a losing battle. The Trump train on the Republican side is just too strong. So we are stuck with Trump as the Republican candidate, and then another 4 years of Biden after Trump gets smoked in 2024.


Top 3 pollster last 4-5 cycles, consistently showing Biden approvals well above everyone else (i.e. not skewed red)

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In reply to Mothra • 10:30a, 1/11/24
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Insightful…..

Agreed it is a losing battle. The Trump train on the Republican side is just too strong. So we are stuck with Trump as the Republican candidate, and then another 4 years of Biden after Trump gets smoked in 2024.
Incredible how gutless the Republicans are.

They know what's coming in November but are too intimidaed by Trump's potential negative mpact in their own congressional races.


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In reply to whiterock • 10:34a, 1/11/24
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Insightful…..

Agreed it is a losing battle. The Trump train on the Republican side is just too strong. So we are stuck with Trump as the Republican candidate, and then another 4 years of Biden after Trump gets smoked in 2024.


Top 3 pollster last 4-5 cycles, consistently showing Biden approvals well above everyone else (i.e. not skewed red)

Meh. When it comes down to it, Americans will turn out the vote for Biden over Trump, despite everyone's lack of excitement for Biden. Wait and see.
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