Psalm 119:36
Sorry man, I'm not going to give a pass on something I wholeheartedly disagree with just because I'd rather have Trump win than Biden.whiterock said:ya gotta win elections, too, or your ideas will never even get voted on.Whiskey Pete said:I tend to agree with almost everything you say, but I'm going to disagree on this one.historian said:
Ideally the 16th amendment will be repealed and there will be no income taxes at all. The Founding Fathers were correct on that one, as with so many other important issues. However, I don't think it is likely alto happen ever. Too many states have income taxes and spend upon them to pay for their hair-brained schemes to rip off the people. Repealing an amendment would require a new amendment & 75% of states would need to ratify for it to happen. We would be lucky if we could get 30-40% of the states to go along with it.
Trump's idea about tips is brilliant because it helps ordinary people at the lower end of the socio-economic spectrum and wouldn't really harm anyone. It wouldn't even reduce government revenues much because I cannot imagine the govt gets very much from taxes on tips. It could even give service industries a boost as waiters, etc would be incentivized to provide better service & thus earn more tips. I see it as a win win scenario.
I'm pleased that Sen. Ted Cruz and other members of Congress are already on board to make it law should Trump win. This could be part of a new Contract with America.
I don't feel that we should carve out groups of people that don't need to pay their fair share. Don't care what kind of job they have or how much they make.
The tips proposal is about the young person vote. It's historically always been a strongly blue demographic with very low turnout numbers. Mail-in voting changes that. Trump lost it by typically large number in 2020 (25pt margin), but more importantly the turnout grew in every state over 2018 and was over 50% turnout in all the swing states.
That has changed in 2024. Polls show Biden has only a 2pt lead with young voters, but more importantly, a third are backing some third party candidate. Very high third party voting means dissatisfaction with mainstream candidates, and that usually bodes for lower overall turnout. Add in white hot negative campaigning for both sides, which tends to turn off voters and drive down turnout, and Trump could actually win this demographic.
https://www.npr.org/2024/06/05/nx-s1-4987296/young-voters-biden-gaza-inflation-abortion-trump-genforward-poll
Winning a national election is all about putting together a coalition, an equation of winning a large enough percentage of enough demographics to prevail. When running against an incumbent, you have to eat away at his coalition. You don't necessarily have to win any of the demographics that are part of his equation. You just have to nibble away enough in enough places while growing your own coalition. Biden has lost over 20% points with the youth vote, and the very high 3rd party support shown in polling suggest we will see lower turnout levels in the youth vote. So Biden is at risk of getting a drastically smaller percentage of a lower overall turnout in this demo. That is very, very bad math in a close election. He has to make it up somewhere else. And he can't easily do that. He's at risk of losing the hispanic vote outright, and somewhere between 10-30pts in the black vote. in addition, amidst Biden's struggles with the hispanic and black votes, we see most of his trouble is with the male demographic and the YOUNGER demographic. It's black males and black youth that are abandoning the Democrat party, etc....
That's the context in which the tip proposal occurs. Who lives on tips? Mostly young people.
I think you can also safely assess the proposal about green cards for illegals with college degrees in the same light. Who are illegals with college degrees? Mostly young people who've been here in mainstream society for a good long while. And what do college students tend to have? An active social life. Friends. Threatening to deport a boyfriend or girlfriend or good friend or best friend or popular classmate? Good way to lose votes in the youth demographic.
We are seeing the Trump campaign engage in good strategic targeting of blue demographics to destroy Democrats victory math.
Trump says he told Dana White that he should set up a migrant fighting league: It’s not the worst idea I’ve ever had pic.twitter.com/BCh5CzGl0o
— Acyn (@Acyn) June 22, 2024
FLBear5630 said:
he is a con-man. If anyone is the "Swamp" it is Bannon. He is literally everything you guys hate. Look at his background: Harvard, Georgetown, Goldman Sachs, Hollywood. He is the coastal elite. He is using your frustrations to make millions and worse to direct power.
Look at what he says and how much actually comes to pass. When called on it, he moves the goal posts. Sorry, the guy is using you and the Whiterocks of the world to make his money and play the man behind the curtain.
He pulls cliches and turns them into war cries for the frustrated. We are talking full out Goebbels and Ulrich stuff here. That is why I think he is a clown.
DeSantis isn't making a living being a bomb-thrower on the internet. DeSantis never called to burn it down. Big difference.Realitybites said:FLBear5630 said:
he is a con-man. If anyone is the "Swamp" it is Bannon. He is literally everything you guys hate. Look at his background: Harvard, Georgetown, Goldman Sachs, Hollywood. He is the coastal elite. He is using your frustrations to make millions and worse to direct power.
Look at what he says and how much actually comes to pass. When called on it, he moves the goal posts. Sorry, the guy is using you and the Whiterocks of the world to make his money and play the man behind the curtain.
He pulls cliches and turns them into war cries for the frustrated. We are talking full out Goebbels and Ulrich stuff here. That is why I think he is a clown.
If he is everything you say he is, then he is an exceptionally poor con man in light of the federal prison sentence he is facing. People like Hannity and his "tick tock" shtick are the real con men.
Desantis has those same roots - and a military background to boot.
FLBear5630 said:Whiterock's showing Trump is winning are welded as fact. Anything showing Biden winning, we know that ain't happening...Whiskey Pete said:I like to see polls, but rarely give them any weight this far out. The funny thing about this latest Fox News poll is that it has Biden beating Trump among rural voters, which we both know ain't happening.FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:📊 AARP Poll of 44 most competitive Congressional Districts by Fabrizio Ward (R) & Impact Research (D)
— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) June 20, 2024
🟦 Democrats: 45%
🟥 Republicans: 45%
⬜ Undecided: 10%
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President
🟥 Trump: 47%
🟦 Biden: 45%
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🟥 Trump: 42%
🟦 Biden: 37%
🟨 RFK Jr: 11%
🟩 Stein: 3%
🟪 Oliver: 2%
—
Job… pic.twitter.com/9LTC0peiXy
According to FOX, Biden is up by 2.
Fox News Poll: Three-point shift in Biden-Trump matchup since May | Fox News
Don't tell me, if Biden wins it was stolen. It couldn't be that there are a fair number of people that wouldn't trust Trump holding their coat, never mind in power. You guys went with the Primary numbers that this thing is a lock for Trump. Hell, Whiterock say 2/3 of the US is in line with Bannon! You are underestimating the number of people that are either liberal OR hate Trump. This is not going to be a landslide win for Donald. The closer we get the more the status quo will play in.
President Joe Biden's lead among female voters has waned since the 2020 election and is smaller than former President Donald Trump's support among male voters, according to an average of polls compiled by The New York Times. https://t.co/SfImir7TGy
— NEWSMAX (@NEWSMAX) June 23, 2024
From what I am seeing and reading, Trump should win this thing. Biden really does not have a story to tell, besides Trump negatives from 2020. Trump is now in what he does very well, talk to people. He is very effective. If I were in his Admin, I would have a 1/2 hour every week on TV and do fireside/beachside chats. He would knock that out of the park. If he keeps talking to the WHOLE nation, not just MAGA, he will win. He is doing much better. It is like the Court case experience helped him as a candidate on how to do this...whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:Whiterock's showing Trump is winning are welded as fact. Anything showing Biden winning, we know that ain't happening...Whiskey Pete said:I like to see polls, but rarely give them any weight this far out. The funny thing about this latest Fox News poll is that it has Biden beating Trump among rural voters, which we both know ain't happening.FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:📊 AARP Poll of 44 most competitive Congressional Districts by Fabrizio Ward (R) & Impact Research (D)
— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) June 20, 2024
🟦 Democrats: 45%
🟥 Republicans: 45%
⬜ Undecided: 10%
—
President
🟥 Trump: 47%
🟦 Biden: 45%
---
🟥 Trump: 42%
🟦 Biden: 37%
🟨 RFK Jr: 11%
🟩 Stein: 3%
🟪 Oliver: 2%
—
Job… pic.twitter.com/9LTC0peiXy
According to FOX, Biden is up by 2.
Fox News Poll: Three-point shift in Biden-Trump matchup since May | Fox News
Don't tell me, if Biden wins it was stolen. It couldn't be that there are a fair number of people that wouldn't trust Trump holding their coat, never mind in power. You guys went with the Primary numbers that this thing is a lock for Trump. Hell, Whiterock say 2/3 of the US is in line with Bannon! You are underestimating the number of people that are either liberal OR hate Trump. This is not going to be a landslide win for Donald. The closer we get the more the status quo will play in.
About 25% of the population is liberal, smaller than either liberals or moderates.
I'm posting stuff from a lot of polling units, some GOP and some less so. Most of it favorable to Trump, like this from NYT:President Joe Biden's lead among female voters has waned since the 2020 election and is smaller than former President Donald Trump's support among male voters, according to an average of polls compiled by The New York Times. https://t.co/SfImir7TGy
— NEWSMAX (@NEWSMAX) June 23, 2024
🇺🇲 2024 GE: CBS News/YouGov
— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) June 23, 2024
🟥 Trump: 50% [=]
🟦 Biden: 49% [=]
[+/- change vs June 5-7]
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Crosstabs
• Age 18-29: Biden 61-38%
• Age 30-44: Trump 50-49%
• Age 45-64: Trump 53-47%
• Age 65+: Trump 55-45%
• Independents: Biden 50-49%
• White: Trump 57-43%
• Black: Biden… pic.twitter.com/UXdryH1LCq
Are we talking about the same Bannon that Trump fired?FLBear5630 said:DeSantis isn't making a living being a bomb-thrower on the internet. DeSantis never called to burn it down. Big difference.Realitybites said:FLBear5630 said:
he is a con-man. If anyone is the "Swamp" it is Bannon. He is literally everything you guys hate. Look at his background: Harvard, Georgetown, Goldman Sachs, Hollywood. He is the coastal elite. He is using your frustrations to make millions and worse to direct power.
Look at what he says and how much actually comes to pass. When called on it, he moves the goal posts. Sorry, the guy is using you and the Whiterocks of the world to make his money and play the man behind the curtain.
He pulls cliches and turns them into war cries for the frustrated. We are talking full out Goebbels and Ulrich stuff here. That is why I think he is a clown.
If he is everything you say he is, then he is an exceptionally poor con man in light of the federal prison sentence he is facing. People like Hannity and his "tick tock" shtick are the real con men.
Desantis has those same roots - and a military background to boot.
You really think Bannon thought he was going to have to serve that sentence? He is still trying to weasel out. He quotes Civil Disobedience and our rights to go against the Govt but he leaves out the consequences part. It should all go his way, he should be able to thumb his nose at Congress, but when the time comes to take the consequences where is he? Thomas Paine went and did his prison term. The Viet Nam draft dodgers left the US. That is Civil Disobedience, you break the law you pay the price. Bannon doesn't think that way because he doesn't believe what he says. It is a show to make money. To get people like you riled up and send money.
You want to follow Bannon have at it. Just don't tell me he is some how legit and an American hero...
One last Nixon clip, since I think it's so relevant to today's politics, and explains a lot about Trump's appeal.
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) June 23, 2024
Nixon was a vehement anti-Communist, but admired Khrushchev's charisma. He says most Western politicians are boring and dull: the worst thing a politician can be. pic.twitter.com/Y1SbFUFKmr
Trump: Cornel West, he's one of my favorite candidates. Cornel West and I like her also, Jill Stein, I like her very much. You know why? She takes 100% from them. He takes 100% pic.twitter.com/l6k4cugvXo
— Acyn (@Acyn) June 22, 2024
Whiskey Pete said:Are we talking about the same Bannon that Trump fired?FLBear5630 said:DeSantis isn't making a living being a bomb-thrower on the internet. DeSantis never called to burn it down. Big difference.Realitybites said:FLBear5630 said:
he is a con-man. If anyone is the "Swamp" it is Bannon. He is literally everything you guys hate. Look at his background: Harvard, Georgetown, Goldman Sachs, Hollywood. He is the coastal elite. He is using your frustrations to make millions and worse to direct power.
Look at what he says and how much actually comes to pass. When called on it, he moves the goal posts. Sorry, the guy is using you and the Whiterocks of the world to make his money and play the man behind the curtain.
He pulls cliches and turns them into war cries for the frustrated. We are talking full out Goebbels and Ulrich stuff here. That is why I think he is a clown.
If he is everything you say he is, then he is an exceptionally poor con man in light of the federal prison sentence he is facing. People like Hannity and his "tick tock" shtick are the real con men.
Desantis has those same roots - and a military background to boot.
You really think Bannon thought he was going to have to serve that sentence? He is still trying to weasel out. He quotes Civil Disobedience and our rights to go against the Govt but he leaves out the consequences part. It should all go his way, he should be able to thumb his nose at Congress, but when the time comes to take the consequences where is he? Thomas Paine went and did his prison term. The Viet Nam draft dodgers left the US. That is Civil Disobedience, you break the law you pay the price. Bannon doesn't think that way because he doesn't believe what he says. It is a show to make money. To get people like you riled up and send money.
You want to follow Bannon have at it. Just don't tell me he is some how legit and an American hero...
🚨FLASHBACK
— Republicans against Trump (@RpsAgainstTrump) June 23, 2024
Trump said he never asked God for forgiveness: “I don’t bring God into that picture. I don’t…When I drink my little wine – which is about the only wine I drink – and have my little cracker, I guess that is a form of asking for forgiveness”
pic.twitter.com/SIFcxJTydZ
Good. He should walk it back, it's a stupid idea. Glad to see he's able to he's capable of ditching a dumb idea instead of doubling down on it - like his opponent.boognish_bear said:
boognish_bear said:
Whiskey Pete said:Good. He should walk it back, it's a stupid idea. Glad to see he's able to he's capable of ditching a dumb idea instead of doubling down on it - like his opponent.boognish_bear said:
boognish_bear said:Whiskey Pete said:
Headline says his "campaign" walks it back....not necessarily Trump himself. If it comes up at the debate he may get the chance to walk it back himself.
he's had way more influence outside than inside of government. That's true for a lot of people. In a very real sense, the media IS the main arena of politics and the electeds are just functionaries.FLBear5630 said:Whiskey Pete said:Are we talking about the same Bannon that Trump fired?FLBear5630 said:DeSantis isn't making a living being a bomb-thrower on the internet. DeSantis never called to burn it down. Big difference.Realitybites said:FLBear5630 said:
he is a con-man. If anyone is the "Swamp" it is Bannon. He is literally everything you guys hate. Look at his background: Harvard, Georgetown, Goldman Sachs, Hollywood. He is the coastal elite. He is using your frustrations to make millions and worse to direct power.
Look at what he says and how much actually comes to pass. When called on it, he moves the goal posts. Sorry, the guy is using you and the Whiterocks of the world to make his money and play the man behind the curtain.
He pulls cliches and turns them into war cries for the frustrated. We are talking full out Goebbels and Ulrich stuff here. That is why I think he is a clown.
If he is everything you say he is, then he is an exceptionally poor con man in light of the federal prison sentence he is facing. People like Hannity and his "tick tock" shtick are the real con men.
Desantis has those same roots - and a military background to boot.
You really think Bannon thought he was going to have to serve that sentence? He is still trying to weasel out. He quotes Civil Disobedience and our rights to go against the Govt but he leaves out the consequences part. It should all go his way, he should be able to thumb his nose at Congress, but when the time comes to take the consequences where is he? Thomas Paine went and did his prison term. The Viet Nam draft dodgers left the US. That is Civil Disobedience, you break the law you pay the price. Bannon doesn't think that way because he doesn't believe what he says. It is a show to make money. To get people like you riled up and send money.
You want to follow Bannon have at it. Just don't tell me he is some how legit and an American hero...
Yes the one that lasted all of 6 months when he had a chance to make a real difference not just talk about it.
unpopular incumbents typically have no positives that matter. The main issues of importance to movement liberals and movement conservatives never change much. Politics is a matter of principle for them. But for that bunch in the middle......the issues that matter change a lot from cycle to cycle. And right now, the ones that matter to the bunch in the middle are all CAUSED by Democrat policies that liberals believe are true and just. So Biden is quite limited on what he can do.....other than beat up on Trump, who of course has already been beat up for years. Problem with that is, Trump has a cast iron floor (none of his supporters will leave him) and many of the objectionable things about him play well IN THIS CYCLE given the issues at play IN THIS CYCLE.FLBear5630 said:From what I am seeing and reading, Trump should win this thing. Biden really does not have a story to tell, besides Trump negatives from 2020. Trump is now in what he does very well, talk to people. He is very effective. If I were in his Admin, I would have a 1/2 hour every week on TV and do fireside/beachside chats. He would knock that out of the park. If he keeps talking to the WHOLE nation, not just MAGA, he will win. He is doing much better. It is like the Court case experience helped him as a candidate on how to do this...whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:Whiterock's showing Trump is winning are welded as fact. Anything showing Biden winning, we know that ain't happening...Whiskey Pete said:I like to see polls, but rarely give them any weight this far out. The funny thing about this latest Fox News poll is that it has Biden beating Trump among rural voters, which we both know ain't happening.FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:📊 AARP Poll of 44 most competitive Congressional Districts by Fabrizio Ward (R) & Impact Research (D)
— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) June 20, 2024
🟦 Democrats: 45%
🟥 Republicans: 45%
⬜ Undecided: 10%
—
President
🟥 Trump: 47%
🟦 Biden: 45%
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🟥 Trump: 42%
🟦 Biden: 37%
🟨 RFK Jr: 11%
🟩 Stein: 3%
🟪 Oliver: 2%
—
Job… pic.twitter.com/9LTC0peiXy
According to FOX, Biden is up by 2.
Fox News Poll: Three-point shift in Biden-Trump matchup since May | Fox News
Don't tell me, if Biden wins it was stolen. It couldn't be that there are a fair number of people that wouldn't trust Trump holding their coat, never mind in power. You guys went with the Primary numbers that this thing is a lock for Trump. Hell, Whiterock say 2/3 of the US is in line with Bannon! You are underestimating the number of people that are either liberal OR hate Trump. This is not going to be a landslide win for Donald. The closer we get the more the status quo will play in.
About 25% of the population is liberal, smaller than either liberals or moderates.
I'm posting stuff from a lot of polling units, some GOP and some less so. Most of it favorable to Trump, like this from NYT:President Joe Biden's lead among female voters has waned since the 2020 election and is smaller than former President Donald Trump's support among male voters, according to an average of polls compiled by The New York Times. https://t.co/SfImir7TGy
— NEWSMAX (@NEWSMAX) June 23, 2024
What I find interesting is the Biden Admin struggling to explain positives. Never seen that before, like they have no ideal what is going on. Mainly on the economy, there have been positives but Biden can't get the message. It is like they don't understand it themselves... Strange.
True, but as with any President if the economy does better, whether their doing or not, they get credit.historian said:
Biden doesn't have any positives. All the ones he claims are lies or deceptions. For examples, prices might be a bit lower then a couple months ago but they are still much higher than under Trump. Gasoline is 20 cents a gallon lower than in the Spring but still more than a dollar a gallon higher than January 2021. Milk, cereal, eggs, etc are still significantly higher and orange juice just went up quite a bit. Bidenflation is real and everyone knows it.
One reason gas prices have declined is that Biden has dipped into our Strategic Reserves again. They are already dangerously low but he never replenished them so that we are vulnerable if & when a crisis strikes. And Biden seems determined to create crises. Biden's weaknesses embolden Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, etc. Biden's economic policies have been almost universally terrible. Forcing the rest of us to pay off student loans for rich Leftists is a clear example. Talk about pandering!
Most important to many, Biden has opened the border up to illegal aliens adding to the Leftist-caused crime wave. We see these illegals raping & murdering Americans across the country & the Leftist authorities in places like New York & California do nothing or worse, release them back into the public repeatedly so they can rampage more. Biden is the greatest coyote in history and the cartels control our border. And Biden's criminal schemes are blatantly transparent: it's obvious that the fascists want these illegals in America to steal elections. They are openly pushing for giving them the vote and govt agencies are handing out voter registration cards like Halloween candy.
The fascists keep proving Trump correct: many of the illegals are thugs & gang bangers & the 2020 election was stolen. It's scary to think how many illegals might be terrorists. Or how many are members of China's army. We cannot forget that the ChiComs are Biden's paymasters. The many ways the Dems are openly trying to steal 2024 leads to the obvious conclusion, bolstered by abundant evidence, that they did so in 2020. Biden is a crook and a traitor while Trump was only convicted because the entire trial was an unconstitutional sham.
Trump led us in a time of peace and relative prosperity. Biden is the opposite. The American people are not as stupid as the Left assumes.
Biden's focus is on perversion and destruction: he wants to kill more babies in the womb, mutilate more children, and generally push the trans & pervert agenda. Most Americans agree more with the people who did donuts on the rainbow street murals.
Baylor sits on how many millions of dollars worth or property? They pay zero in property taxes. That's not right, when everyday homeowner's property taxes goes up year after year after year after year - yes, I realize that's more a state issue and less a federal issue, but it's still a tax.historian said:
I understand the reasoning in the main but I like Trump's proposal because it makes economic sense. It's a tax cut for the bottom of the pay scale only. They are the people who need it most, especially under Bidenflation. I do not agree that taxes & charities should be taxed. Many do important things & better than when the govt tries to.
Your overall point illustrates why the Founding Fathers were wise to ban income taxes altogether and why we should go back to that. But I don't see it ever happening.
NBC projects that George Latimer has defeated Rep. Jamaal Bowman in the NY-16 Democratic primary
— Steve Kornacki (@SteveKornacki) June 26, 2024
historian said:
I do like the idea of a higher standard deduction. No one making less than $20k should pay income taxes. Ultimately, the goal is to eliminate income taxes completely.
Property taxes should be frozen at some point. Cities, counties, & states need to learn to economize the same as the federal government. Every entity with pension funds should be required to maintain them at a certain level. This is a huge problem hanging over everyone's heads because the amount of money promised to people (real entitlements) far exceeds our insane national debt. Almost 600%:
https://www.usdebtclock.org/
All those seem like great reasons to cut out a lot of the non-essential items.FLBear5630 said:historian said:
I do like the idea of a higher standard deduction. No one making less than $20k should pay income taxes. Ultimately, the goal is to eliminate income taxes completely.
Property taxes should be frozen at some point. Cities, counties, & states need to learn to economize the same as the federal government. Every entity with pension funds should be required to maintain them at a certain level. This is a huge problem hanging over everyone's heads because the amount of money promised to people (real entitlements) far exceeds our insane national debt. Almost 600%:
https://www.usdebtclock.org/
Agree, except cities are being required to provide more services and rebuild infrastructure that is well beyond the property tax revenue potential. User fees are coming, more than just tolls. In transportation, the gas tax played a huge role and that is in decline. What replaced that to stay even? People do not realize the cost of providing public services and I infrastructure 365/24/7 at a public safety level. It is not like retail, this stuff has to work every time or someone is injured or dies. A traffic signal goes out it is back operational in hours, not weeks. Trash pick up, you want to see disease and other issues? Let trash go.
Most all local governments are part of the State retirement or ICMA, very few maintain their own retirement and those that do want out of that mess!
Trump trusted more than Biden on democracy among key swing-state voters - The Washington Post https://t.co/P2A8x4heU5
— Jason Miller (@JasonMillerinDC) June 26, 2024
Remember when 17 Nobel Prize–winning economists backed Biden’s inflation reduction plan https://t.co/XQAtOoLBuG
— Sean Agnew (@seanagnew) June 26, 2024
What is going on in Utah?
— Brigitte Gabriel (@ACTBrigitte) June 26, 2024
The Mitt Romney endorsed candidate who refuses to endorse President Trump just won their Senate primary. pic.twitter.com/O2PzGKDdOG
The next US Senator from Utah is an embarrassment.
— Nick Adams (Alpha Male) (@NickAdamsinUSA) June 26, 2024
Any Republican who refuses to endorse President Trump is not America First. pic.twitter.com/UELg04t3oh