Oldbear83 said:

---

I continue to be amused by how many people don't read much more than the headline.

Of course, these are also usually people who think polls count as real news ...

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

J.R. said:

---

whiterock said:

---

J.R. said:

---

whiterock said:

---

J.R. said:

---

whiterock said:

---

J.R. said:

---

ok, all you posters that post rando tweets from people know one has heard of ...why? I just don't get taking some rando whack job that has computer access and you people think is is all gospel. Help me here. I just do not understand.

---

Red state and CNN are "rando whack jobs"?

---

didn't answer the basic question

---

LOL yes, I did. YOU didn't.

---

don't know what you mean about red states, but I can generally take most on CNN, unlike CNBC and Foxy. My question that I posed, which you did not answer is....why in the world would someone post a rando tweet from some internet jockey that no-one has ever heard of? Don't get it.

---

well, for starters, RedState is not some random internet jockey. It's a main-stream conservative blog that's been around for a couple of decades. It's co-founder, Ben Domenech (also publishes "The Transom," which has tens of thousands of subscribers) is one of the brighter minds on the right who has gone neverTrumper in no small part (I'm sure) due to the fact that he's married to Megan McCain. It's now owned by Salem Media group, a company with $250m/yr in revenues.

So who's the random whack job here?

---

you. I don't have time to get into rando crap no-one knows about, hence lack of credibility

---

JR pretending to be the authority on credibility ...

---

I HATE AARON BURR!

— Alexander Hamilton 🇺🇸 (@TheeThomasB) September 16, 2024

Realitybites said:

---

Bexar County, Texas joins Fulton, Maricopa, Milwaukee, Madison, etc in the ranks of the Democrat vote manufacturing machine.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/09/democrat-judge-blocks-texas-ags-effort-stop-county/

---

sombear said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

I continue to be amused by how many people don't read much more than the headline.

Of course, these are also usually people who think polls count as real news ...

---

I read all publicly available polling data, including tabs.

I often get some internals, but it's been a while.

It is indisputable that Harris has improved her position since the debate.

The only question is whether it is sustainable.

---

historian said:

---

Net positive of 0.1% means nothing especially if it's just an outlier. It's within the margin of error.

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

J.R. said:

---

whiterock said:

---

J.R. said:

---

whiterock said:

---

J.R. said:

---

whiterock said:

---

J.R. said:

---

ok, all you posters that post rando tweets from people know one has heard of ...why? I just don't get taking some rando whack job that has computer access and you people think is is all gospel. Help me here. I just do not understand.

---

Red state and CNN are "rando whack jobs"?

---

didn't answer the basic question

---

LOL yes, I did. YOU didn't.

---

don't know what you mean about red states, but I can generally take most on CNN, unlike CNBC and Foxy. My question that I posed, which you did not answer is....why in the world would someone post a rando tweet from some internet jockey that no-one has ever heard of? Don't get it.

---

well, for starters, RedState is not some random internet jockey. It's a main-stream conservative blog that's been around for a couple of decades. It's co-founder, Ben Domenech (also publishes "The Transom," which has tens of thousands of subscribers) is one of the brighter minds on the right who has gone neverTrumper in no small part (I'm sure) due to the fact that he's married to Megan McCain. It's now owned by Salem Media group, a company with $250m/yr in revenues.

So who's the random whack job here?

---

you. I don't have time to get into rando crap no-one knows about, hence lack of credibility

---

JR pretending to be the authority on credibility ...

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

J.R. said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

J.R. said:

---

whiterock said:

---

J.R. said:

---

whiterock said:

---

J.R. said:

---

whiterock said:

---

J.R. said:

---

ok, all you posters that post rando tweets from people know one has heard of ...why? I just don't get taking some rando whack job that has computer access and you people think is is all gospel. Help me here. I just do not understand.

---

Red state and CNN are "rando whack jobs"?

---

didn't answer the basic question

---

LOL yes, I did. YOU didn't.

---

don't know what you mean about red states, but I can generally take most on CNN, unlike CNBC and Foxy. My question that I posed, which you did not answer is....why in the world would someone post a rando tweet from some internet jockey that no-one has ever heard of? Don't get it.

---

well, for starters, RedState is not some random internet jockey. It's a main-stream conservative blog that's been around for a couple of decades. It's co-founder, Ben Domenech (also publishes "The Transom," which has tens of thousands of subscribers) is one of the brighter minds on the right who has gone neverTrumper in no small part (I'm sure) due to the fact that he's married to Megan McCain. It's now owned by Salem Media group, a company with $250m/yr in revenues.

So who's the random whack job here?

---

you. I don't have time to get into rando crap no-one knows about, hence lack of credibility

---

JR pretending to be the authority on credibility ...

---

I'm very credible. I don't not post on subject matter I know nothing about, unlike you old man. You just spew Fox blather.

---

You and I have very different ideas of credible. You pick fights with anyone with a different opinion, and seem pathologically incapable of posting without including an insult.

As for me, where polls are concerned I speak from more than two decades of experience, and that includes personal discussions with people like Frank Gallup and Scott Rasmussen shortly after he founded his polling group in 2003.

You bragged about your MBA in Finance. Mine was concentrated in Accounting, which is germane to this discussion because it's the accountants who see crashes coming when the C-suite guys think the gravy train will never end. It's the accountants who sweat out how much of your cash flow comes from Operations and who is driving spending. In Business we watch out for idiots with stupid Capital spending, in Politics we know to watch the Senate and House Appropriations Committees.

The thing about Trump 2017-20 is that from 2017-18 he faced headwinds from Republicans angry he won, and from 2019-20 he was faced with a very hostile Congress controlled by Democrats.

And before you fall back on your go-to 'someone needs a job' cheap shot, I have worked for over four decades with hard numbers, doing my best to keep idiots from causing layoffs through bad C-suite decisions.

---

FLBear5630 said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

J.R. said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

J.R. said:

---

whiterock said:

---

J.R. said:

---

whiterock said:

---

J.R. said:

---

whiterock said:

---

J.R. said:

---

ok, all you posters that post rando tweets from people know one has heard of ...why? I just don't get taking some rando whack job that has computer access and you people think is is all gospel. Help me here. I just do not understand.

---

Red state and CNN are "rando whack jobs"?

---

didn't answer the basic question

---

LOL yes, I did. YOU didn't.

---

don't know what you mean about red states, but I can generally take most on CNN, unlike CNBC and Foxy. My question that I posed, which you did not answer is....why in the world would someone post a rando tweet from some internet jockey that no-one has ever heard of? Don't get it.

---

well, for starters, RedState is not some random internet jockey. It's a main-stream conservative blog that's been around for a couple of decades. It's co-founder, Ben Domenech (also publishes "The Transom," which has tens of thousands of subscribers) is one of the brighter minds on the right who has gone neverTrumper in no small part (I'm sure) due to the fact that he's married to Megan McCain. It's now owned by Salem Media group, a company with $250m/yr in revenues.

So who's the random whack job here?

---

you. I don't have time to get into rando crap no-one knows about, hence lack of credibility

---

JR pretending to be the authority on credibility ...

---

I'm very credible. I don't not post on subject matter I know nothing about, unlike you old man. You just spew Fox blather.

---

You and I have very different ideas of credible. You pick fights with anyone with a different opinion, and seem pathologically incapable of posting without including an insult.

As for me, where polls are concerned I speak from more than two decades of experience, and that includes personal discussions with people like Frank Gallup and Scott Rasmussen shortly after he founded his polling group in 2003.

You bragged about your MBA in Finance. Mine was concentrated in Accounting, which is germane to this discussion because it's the accountants who see crashes coming when the C-suite guys think the gravy train will never end. It's the accountants who sweat out how much of your cash flow comes from Operations and who is driving spending. In Business we watch out for idiots with stupid Capital spending, in Politics we know to watch the Senate and House Appropriations Committees.

The thing about Trump 2017-20 is that from 2017-18 he faced headwinds from Republicans angry he won, and from 2019-20 he was faced with a very hostile Congress controlled by Democrats.

And before you fall back on your go-to 'someone needs a job' cheap shot, I have worked for over four decades with hard numbers, doing my best to keep idiots from causing layoffs through bad C-suite decisions.

---

Bean counter, tracks...

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

FLBear5630 said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

J.R. said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

J.R. said:

---

whiterock said:

---

J.R. said:

---

whiterock said:

---

J.R. said:

---

whiterock said:

---

J.R. said:

---

ok, all you posters that post rando tweets from people know one has heard of ...why? I just don't get taking some rando whack job that has computer access and you people think is is all gospel. Help me here. I just do not understand.

---

Red state and CNN are "rando whack jobs"?

---

didn't answer the basic question

---

LOL yes, I did. YOU didn't.

---

don't know what you mean about red states, but I can generally take most on CNN, unlike CNBC and Foxy. My question that I posed, which you did not answer is....why in the world would someone post a rando tweet from some internet jockey that no-one has ever heard of? Don't get it.

---

well, for starters, RedState is not some random internet jockey. It's a main-stream conservative blog that's been around for a couple of decades. It's co-founder, Ben Domenech (also publishes "The Transom," which has tens of thousands of subscribers) is one of the brighter minds on the right who has gone neverTrumper in no small part (I'm sure) due to the fact that he's married to Megan McCain. It's now owned by Salem Media group, a company with $250m/yr in revenues.

So who's the random whack job here?

---

you. I don't have time to get into rando crap no-one knows about, hence lack of credibility

---

JR pretending to be the authority on credibility ...

---

I'm very credible. I don't not post on subject matter I know nothing about, unlike you old man. You just spew Fox blather.

---

You and I have very different ideas of credible. You pick fights with anyone with a different opinion, and seem pathologically incapable of posting without including an insult.

As for me, where polls are concerned I speak from more than two decades of experience, and that includes personal discussions with people like Frank Gallup and Scott Rasmussen shortly after he founded his polling group in 2003.

You bragged about your MBA in Finance. Mine was concentrated in Accounting, which is germane to this discussion because it's the accountants who see crashes coming when the C-suite guys think the gravy train will never end. It's the accountants who sweat out how much of your cash flow comes from Operations and who is driving spending. In Business we watch out for idiots with stupid Capital spending, in Politics we know to watch the Senate and House Appropriations Committees.

The thing about Trump 2017-20 is that from 2017-18 he faced headwinds from Republicans angry he won, and from 2019-20 he was faced with a very hostile Congress controlled by Democrats.

And before you fall back on your go-to 'someone needs a job' cheap shot, I have worked for over four decades with hard numbers, doing my best to keep idiots from causing layoffs through bad C-suite decisions.

---

Bean counter, tracks...

---

You know those bumper stickers that say 'If you can read this, thank a teacher'?

Mine says 'if your paycheck cleared, thank the accountant'.

---

Here is Kamala Harris’ full answer when asked if she would support executive action on creating a commission to study reparations: pic.twitter.com/ADMYExLIJr

— philip lewis (@Phil_Lewis_) September 17, 2024

This guy has terminal social studies teacher brain. Never mind that it’s just projection since their coalition is just “blame the White man.” https://t.co/owB2SvciA4

— Old Tory Right - Bulltard Strength-📈🐂🏴 (@rightwingnutrs) September 18, 2024

Oldbear83 said:

---

FLBear5630 said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

J.R. said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

J.R. said:

---

whiterock said:

---

J.R. said:

---

whiterock said:

---

J.R. said:

---

whiterock said:

---

J.R. said:

---

ok, all you posters that post rando tweets from people know one has heard of ...why? I just don't get taking some rando whack job that has computer access and you people think is is all gospel. Help me here. I just do not understand.

---

Red state and CNN are "rando whack jobs"?

---

didn't answer the basic question

---

LOL yes, I did. YOU didn't.

---

don't know what you mean about red states, but I can generally take most on CNN, unlike CNBC and Foxy. My question that I posed, which you did not answer is....why in the world would someone post a rando tweet from some internet jockey that no-one has ever heard of? Don't get it.

---

well, for starters, RedState is not some random internet jockey. It's a main-stream conservative blog that's been around for a couple of decades. It's co-founder, Ben Domenech (also publishes "The Transom," which has tens of thousands of subscribers) is one of the brighter minds on the right who has gone neverTrumper in no small part (I'm sure) due to the fact that he's married to Megan McCain. It's now owned by Salem Media group, a company with $250m/yr in revenues.

So who's the random whack job here?

---

you. I don't have time to get into rando crap no-one knows about, hence lack of credibility

---

JR pretending to be the authority on credibility ...

---

I'm very credible. I don't not post on subject matter I know nothing about, unlike you old man. You just spew Fox blather.

---

You and I have very different ideas of credible. You pick fights with anyone with a different opinion, and seem pathologically incapable of posting without including an insult.

As for me, where polls are concerned I speak from more than two decades of experience, and that includes personal discussions with people like Frank Gallup and Scott Rasmussen shortly after he founded his polling group in 2003.

You bragged about your MBA in Finance. Mine was concentrated in Accounting, which is germane to this discussion because it's the accountants who see crashes coming when the C-suite guys think the gravy train will never end. It's the accountants who sweat out how much of your cash flow comes from Operations and who is driving spending. In Business we watch out for idiots with stupid Capital spending, in Politics we know to watch the Senate and House Appropriations Committees.

The thing about Trump 2017-20 is that from 2017-18 he faced headwinds from Republicans angry he won, and from 2019-20 he was faced with a very hostile Congress controlled by Democrats.

And before you fall back on your go-to 'someone needs a job' cheap shot, I have worked for over four decades with hard numbers, doing my best to keep idiots from causing layoffs through bad C-suite decisions.

---

Bean counter, tracks...

---

You know those bumper stickers that say 'If you can read this, thank a teacher'?

Mine says 'if your paycheck cleared, thank the accountant'.

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

You know those bumper stickers that say 'If you can read this, thank a teacher'?

Mine says 'if your paycheck cleared, thank the accountant'.

---

🚨New: Pennsylvania mail-in ballot requests

50 days before the election in 2020:
🔵 Democrats 1,101,962 (+725,000)
🔴 Republicans: 376,956

50 days before the election in 2024:
🔵 Democrats: 798,946 (+477,869)
🔴 Republicans: 321,077

Biden won PA by only 80,555 votes in 2020 pic.twitter.com/UFRp59ZrEe

— The Calvin Coolidge Project (@TheCalvinCooli1) September 18, 2024

Border Patrol reports that 28,873 encounters with migrants in the 5 Texas Sectors of the US border with Mexico in August.

That is down 72% from last year and 75% from the year before.

Remember in Aug 2022, they reported 52K encounters just in Del Rio sector. Now just 7K there. pic.twitter.com/9MAUVNtwjQ

— Jeremy Wallace (@JeremySWallace) September 17, 2024

boognish_bear said:

---

Serious issue not taken seriously until needed votes in Nov were on the line

Border Patrol reports that 28,873 encounters with migrants in the 5 Texas Sectors of the US border with Mexico in August.

That is down 72% from last year and 75% from the year before.

Remember in Aug 2022, they reported 52K encounters just in Del Rio sector. Now just 7K there. pic.twitter.com/9MAUVNtwjQ

— Jeremy Wallace (@JeremySWallace) September 17, 2024

---

whiterock said:

---

boognish_bear said:

---

Serious issue not taken seriously until needed votes in Nov were on the line

Border Patrol reports that 28,873 encounters with migrants in the 5 Texas Sectors of the US border with Mexico in August.

That is down 72% from last year and 75% from the year before.

Remember in Aug 2022, they reported 52K encounters just in Del Rio sector. Now just 7K there. pic.twitter.com/9MAUVNtwjQ

— Jeremy Wallace (@JeremySWallace) September 17, 2024

---

they are accomplishing the reduction in numbers by asking migrants to please cross at the border checkpoints, and/or flying them in to CONUS at taxpayer expense.

---

sombear said:

---

Bad Suffolk PA poll for Trump - down 3.

---

#New Favourable Ratings - Gallup

🔴 Trump 46% (+2)
🔵 Harris 44%

Last poll (8/20) - 🔵 Harris +6

Gallup #B+ - 1007 A - 9/15

— Political Polls (@PpollingNumbers) September 18, 2024

FLBear5630 said:

---

sombear said:

---

Bad Suffolk PA poll for Trump - down 3.

---

No, debate and Swift had no effect. Must be bad poll. Fake news.

---

sombear said:

---

whiterock said:

---

People deserve to be given context. Since this article gives none, here ya go! https://t.co/mjAqaEV4fv pic.twitter.com/92MVWrEnVp

— Rich Baris The People's Pundit (@Peoples_Pundit) September 17, 2024

---

In fairness, GOP-leaning polls were way off in 2020 as well.

And if you look at state poll aggregates from 2020, they were not too bad.

The biggest concern for Trump right now is the sheer number of polls showing him down after the debate.

---

sombear said:

---

whiterock said:

---

People deserve to be given context. Since this article gives none, here ya go! https://t.co/mjAqaEV4fv pic.twitter.com/92MVWrEnVp

— Rich Baris The People's Pundit (@Peoples_Pundit) September 17, 2024

---

In fairness, GOP-leaning polls were way off in 2020 as well.

And if you look at state poll aggregates from 2020, they were not too bad.

The biggest concern for Trump right now is the sheer number of polls showing him down after the debate.

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

This guy has terminal social studies teacher brain. Never mind that it’s just projection since their coalition is just “blame the White man.” https://t.co/owB2SvciA4

— Old Tory Right - Bulltard Strength-📈🐂🏴 (@rightwingnutrs) September 18, 2024

---

whiterock said:

---

PA mail-in ballot requests are far below 2020 levels, Democrats considerably moreso.....by 6x the 2020 margin of victory.

🚨New: Pennsylvania mail-in ballot requests

50 days before the election in 2020:
🔵 Democrats 1,101,962 (+725,000)
🔴 Republicans: 376,956

50 days before the election in 2024:
🔵 Democrats: 798,946 (+477,869)
🔴 Republicans: 321,077

Biden won PA by only 80,555 votes in 2020 pic.twitter.com/UFRp59ZrEe

— The Calvin Coolidge Project (@TheCalvinCooli1) September 18, 2024

---

whiterock said:

---

#New Favourable Ratings - Gallup

🔴 Trump 46% (+2)
🔵 Harris 44%

Last poll (8/20) - 🔵 Harris +6

Gallup #B+ - 1007 A - 9/15

— Political Polls (@PpollingNumbers) September 18, 2024

---

I just signed a bill to make this illegal in the state of California.

You can no longer knowingly distribute an ad or other election communications that contain materially deceptive content -- including deepfakes. https://t.co/VU4b8RBf6N

— Gavin Newsom (@GavinNewsom) September 17, 2024