She admitted them walking out of the Capitol as she was escaping the day of.historian said:ScottS said:Pelosi turned down the requests. She is at fault, not Trump.Malbec said:I have a couple of questions on that point. If it was someone's intention to incite a riot or commit an "insurrection," why would they make repeated advance requests for troops to protect the Capitol? And why would others admit responsibility for having not provided that deterrent?BUDOS said:
Okay dude, you explain why you believe Trump is not in any way responsible for much of what happened on January 6th?
Pelosi has recently admitted to mistakes regarding J6.
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Osodecentx said:Harrison Bergeron said:Not to mention how many duplicate absentee ballots will be placed for her.Osodecentx said:4th and Inches said:he doesnt, Harris must have PA.ScottS said:Close but it seems you need PA to win.Osodecentx said:
Trump Shows Signs of Strength in Sun Belt Battlegrounds, Polls Find
New polls from The New York Times and Siena College showed Donald J. Trump ahead in Arizona and leading in tight races in Georgia and North Carolina.
Those 3 states get T close to 270
Trump can win without PA but its really the best route for him.
Let's talk about Harris's clearest path to victory. In our polling average, she currently has two-percentage-point leads in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin and if she wins all three, and a single electoral vote from Nebraska, the presidency is hers, assuming the less narrowly divided states vote as expected.
They will stop at no level of cheating to win.
If Trump loses it was unfair?
Why do Democrats aggressively target any voter integrity measures?
Also that it was a mistake not to bring in the National Guard, etc
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
Psalm 119:36
Harrison Bergeron said:Osodecentx said:Harrison Bergeron said:Not to mention how many duplicate absentee ballots will be placed for her.Osodecentx said:4th and Inches said:he doesnt, Harris must have PA.ScottS said:Close but it seems you need PA to win.Osodecentx said:
Trump Shows Signs of Strength in Sun Belt Battlegrounds, Polls Find
New polls from The New York Times and Siena College showed Donald J. Trump ahead in Arizona and leading in tight races in Georgia and North Carolina.
Those 3 states get T close to 270
Trump can win without PA but its really the best route for him.
Let's talk about Harris's clearest path to victory. In our polling average, she currently has two-percentage-point leads in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin and if she wins all three, and a single electoral vote from Nebraska, the presidency is hers, assuming the less narrowly divided states vote as expected.
They will stop at no level of cheating to win.
If Trump loses it was unfair?
Why do Democrats aggressively target any voter integrity measures?
Why do foxes oppose chicken coop security measures?
Leftists make cartoon to show their TDS:
https://notthebee.com/article/lefties-made-a-cartoon-to-show-what-they-think-america-will-look-like-under-trump-and-i-cant-stop-laughing
https://notthebee.com/article/lefties-made-a-cartoon-to-show-what-they-think-america-will-look-like-under-trump-and-i-cant-stop-laughing
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
Psalm 119:36
Mister GrowlTowel I owe you an apology. I was wrong.
Trump is a convicted felon but that was based on screwing a porn star and then attempting to covering it up plus the 34 counts the jury found him guilty. The sexual assault/rape charges of which he was found guilty was a civil case. I apologize for my error and my negative comments to you.
As you can see by the articles below, regarding his convictions, you are supporting someone not worthy of the position. As for your failure to recognize the significance of January 6th, that's on you. Just one example, would be Trump sitting on his butt watching people getting hurt and doing nothing to stop it for hours. This is the kind of person you want to lead our country ?
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/e-jean-carroll-trump-trial-verdict-05-09-23/index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-carroll-judge-rape/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-charges-conviction-guilty-verdict/
Trump is a convicted felon but that was based on screwing a porn star and then attempting to covering it up plus the 34 counts the jury found him guilty. The sexual assault/rape charges of which he was found guilty was a civil case. I apologize for my error and my negative comments to you.
As you can see by the articles below, regarding his convictions, you are supporting someone not worthy of the position. As for your failure to recognize the significance of January 6th, that's on you. Just one example, would be Trump sitting on his butt watching people getting hurt and doing nothing to stop it for hours. This is the kind of person you want to lead our country ?
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/e-jean-carroll-trump-trial-verdict-05-09-23/index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-carroll-judge-rape/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-charges-conviction-guilty-verdict/
BUDOS80
this is her path..Osodecentx said:4th and Inches said:he doesnt, Harris must have PA.ScottS said:Close but it seems you need PA to win.Osodecentx said:
Trump Shows Signs of Strength in Sun Belt Battlegrounds, Polls Find
New polls from The New York Times and Siena College showed Donald J. Trump ahead in Arizona and leading in tight races in Georgia and North Carolina.
Those 3 states get T close to 270
Trump can win without PA but its really the best route for him.
Let's talk about Harris's clearest path to victory. In our polling average, she currently has two-percentage-point leads in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin and if she wins all three, and a single electoral vote from Nebraska, the presidency is hers, assuming the less narrowly divided states vote as expected.
Yes she apparently did. I would like to know about the facts and context of the statement. Additionally there appears to be more recent information about this topic of the national guard and it seems that it is a real mess. I hope the truth comes out soon, whatever it is.
BUDOS80
She wants to end the filibuster. Also, don't be surprised when Democrats move to pack the Supreme Court.BUDOS said:
I'm very aware of the points you mention. Your response is partially correct ; however, it does little to detract from my main thesis. She doesn't have the power to implement the more radical aspects of her agenda. Hopefully Trump doesn't either, as I expect he will be our next president.
jan6 was a fed operation.. have you watched the tape where they lead the shaman around, opened doors for him, prayed with him? There are hours of tape showing lots of non violent but all you see is the violence played over and over.BUDOS said:
Mister GrowlTowel I owe you an apology. I was wrong.
Trump is a convicted felon but that was based on screwing a porn star and then attempting to covering it up plus the 34 counts the jury found him guilty. The sexual assault/rape charges of which he was found guilty was a civil case. I apologize for my error and my negative comments to you.
As you can see by the articles below, regarding his convictions, you are supporting someone not worthy of the position. As for your failure to recognize the significance of January 6th, that's on you. Just one example, would be Trump sitting on his butt watching people getting hurt and doing nothing to stop it for hours. This is the kind of person you want to lead our country ?
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/e-jean-carroll-trump-trial-verdict-05-09-23/index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-carroll-judge-rape/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-charges-conviction-guilty-verdict/
Why are they withholding the report that includes how many undercover feds were in the crowd and entered the building?
Carrol lied.. its an exact match to an episode of a TV show. they changed the law specific for this case.
Trumps old lawyer is being accused of padding ihis bill to make up for some debts he had.. The upgrade is illegal as its outside the states jurisdiction and the original misdemeanor charge was passed the statute of limitations. The whole case is contrive trash in order to get Trump.
Lawfare at its finest.
Even Kamala and Co. has pretty much dropped the J6 BS as it has shown to no poll like they had hope, the "disgust" has waned over the years. Of course, Democrats' ability to jump the shark hasn't helped them either, calling it the worst attack in American history - guess Pearl Harbor and 9/11 are just incidents (or something).GrowlTowel said:BUDOS said:
Hmmmm calling me a liar? Do your research. And no, from you I don't believe I will get an apology.
You are lying. Do your own research and retract.
If you believe he is a convicted felon, please link to the conviction. (Let me save you the time, it doesn't exist)
If you think his defamation trial decided whether or not he committed sexual assault, please post the verdict. (Let me save you time, it doesn't exist).
You are lying. You know you are lying.
Enough already. Sick to your Jan 6th bs. That is playing well this cycle - not.
"Most ignorance is vincible ignorance. We don't know because we don't want to know."
Aldous Huxley
Aldous Huxley
BUDOS80
BUDOS said:
Mister GrowlTowel I owe you an apology. I was wrong.
Trump is a convicted felon but that was based on screwing a porn star and then attempting to covering it up plus the 34 counts the jury found him guilty. The sexual assault/rape charges of which he was found guilty was a civil case. I apologize for my error and my negative comments to you.
As you can see by the articles below, regarding his convictions, you are supporting someone not worthy of the position. As for your failure to recognize the significance of January 6th, that's on you. Just one example, would be Trump sitting on his butt watching people getting hurt and doing nothing to stop it for hours. This is the kind of person you want to lead our country ?
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/e-jean-carroll-trump-trial-verdict-05-09-23/index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-carroll-judge-rape/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-charges-conviction-guilty-verdict/
Neither are "worthy" but that's not what the core of this election is truly about. It is our Constitution's rule of law and the integrity of the entire judicial system; sound economic principles; and national security which includes immigration policy and military defense. We're at the inflection point of choosing who we will serve rather than choosing who will serve the nation.
There is a speck of truth in your response; however, I have watched that tape, plus other pieces he has put out in the other forum. In addition to watching live TV that day, plus reading books from former staff and more. IMO, it doesn't matter if he's guilty or whatever he's done or will do, you and others have rationalized that you're going to vote for him. At least you have a more coherent and articulate stance on why. If more of the public would spend as much effort learning the issues we wouldn't be in this mess.
"It ain't what you don't know that gets you in trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so that gets you in trouble." (Mark Twain)
"It ain't what you don't know that gets you in trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so that gets you in trouble." (Mark Twain)
BUDOS80
Ouc! And Bingo! There is some hidden gems of insight in that statement. Shhhhh!
BUDOS80
Here's the deal: I don't think either candidate is worthy of being president. I think the anti-democratic manner in which Biden was replaced with Harris, and her position changes on almost every single major issue should have disqualified her. She's a vapid, shape-shifter, and will say damn near anything to get elected.BUDOS said:
Again I partially agree with you; however, for starters, explain to me how he is worthy of being president after his participation in January 6th? Being a convicted felon? Continuing to spread lies about a stolen election that repeatedly got thrown out on its merits, including Trump appointed judges? Then the Access tapes? Sharing sensitive classified information more than once? Lying then obstructing justice about the records he took from the White House? His incoherent statements during his rallies? His lack of credibility, integrity, immorality, and lack of respect by most of our allies? That's enough for starters.
But it's either her or Trump this election cycle. I don't like what Trump did during the 2020 election, but I also recognize that his political opponents engaged in a campaign of lawfare to try and disqualify him. Is there anything more anti-democracy than that? I mean, they essentially created a new crime in NY to get the guy convicted. The charges were completely unprecedented.
Again, as I've tried to explain, since both Harris and Trump are unworthy, the question you should be asking yourself is whose policies will be better for the country? The answer to the question should be obvious to someone describing themselves as a moderate.
4th and Inches said:jan6 was a fed operation.. have you watched the tape where they lead the shaman around, opened doors for him, prayed with him? There are hours of tape showing lots of non violent but all you see is the violence played over and over.BUDOS said:
Mister GrowlTowel I owe you an apology. I was wrong.
Trump is a convicted felon but that was based on screwing a porn star and then attempting to covering it up plus the 34 counts the jury found him guilty. The sexual assault/rape charges of which he was found guilty was a civil case. I apologize for my error and my negative comments to you.
As you can see by the articles below, regarding his convictions, you are supporting someone not worthy of the position. As for your failure to recognize the significance of January 6th, that's on you. Just one example, would be Trump sitting on his butt watching people getting hurt and doing nothing to stop it for hours. This is the kind of person you want to lead our country ?
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/e-jean-carroll-trump-trial-verdict-05-09-23/index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-carroll-judge-rape/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-charges-conviction-guilty-verdict/
Why are they withholding the report that includes how many undercover feds were in the crowd and entered the building?
Carrol lied.. its an exact match to an episode of a TV show. they changed the law specific for this case.
Trumps old lawyer is being accused of padding ihis bill to make up for some debts he had.. The upgrade is illegal as its outside the states jurisdiction and the original misdemeanor charge was passed the statute of limitations. The whole case is contrive trash in order to get Trump.
Lawfare at its finest.
Are you saying it was political theater?
huh?BUDOS said:
"Most ignorance is vincible ignorance. We don't know because we don't want to know."
Aldous Huxley
What does this has to do with what Kamala has actually said and the moves Democrats have already tried to make with regard to packing the Supreme Court?
Sorry, I'm not following you here.
The J6 incident is not as big of a deal to Americans as you want it to be, it's waned over the years. Sorry bro, but if you want to try and change people's mind about voting for Trump, this isn't the argument.BUDOS said:
There is a speck of truth in your response; however, I have watched that tape, plus other pieces he has put out in the other forum. In addition to watching live TV that day, plus reading books from former staff and more. IMO, it doesn't matter if he's guilty or whatever he's done or will do, you and others have rationalized that you're going to vote for him. At least you have a more coherent and articulate stance on why. If more of the public would spend as much effort learning the issues we wouldn't be in this mess.
"It ain't what you don't know that gets you in trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so that gets you in trouble." (Mark Twain)
You're not going to guilt anyone into not voting for Trump.
PA firm. Knows how to poll PA as well as anyone.
📊 PENNSYLVANIA poll by @SusquehannaPR for @La_Torre_Live
— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) September 25, 2024
🟥 Donald Trump: 46%
🟦 Kamala Harris: 46%
Last poll (7/28) - 🔵 Harris +4 (with RFK Jr)
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Senate
🟦 Bob Casey (inc): 48%
🟥 David McCormick: 40%
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That's a really good poll for Trump.whiterock said:
PA firm. Knows how to poll PA as well as anyone.📊 PENNSYLVANIA poll by @SusquehannaPR for @La_Torre_Live
— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) September 25, 2024
🟥 Donald Trump: 46%
🟦 Kamala Harris: 46%
Last poll (7/28) - 🔵 Harris +4 (with RFK Jr)
——
Senate
🟦 Bob Casey (inc): 48%
🟥 David McCormick: 40%
——
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I've been skeptical of other good PA polls for Trump because they also have McCormick close, which I believe is way off. Here, McCormick is far behind, but Trump still tied.
The RNC thinks Trump is behind in PA but likes the trends.
sombear said:That's a really good poll for Trump.whiterock said:
PA firm. Knows how to poll PA as well as anyone.📊 PENNSYLVANIA poll by @SusquehannaPR for @La_Torre_Live
— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) September 25, 2024
🟥 Donald Trump: 46%
🟦 Kamala Harris: 46%
Last poll (7/28) - 🔵 Harris +4 (with RFK Jr)
——
Senate
🟦 Bob Casey (inc): 48%
🟥 David McCormick: 40%
——
#66 (2.3/3.0) | 700 LV | 9/16-22 | ±3.7% pic.twitter.com/oJqhHti63o
I've been skeptical of other good PA polls for Trump because they also have McCormick close, which I believe is way off. Here, McCormick is far behind, but Trump still tied.
The RNC thinks Trump is behind in PA but likes the trends.
LOL
Voter harvesting in Philadelphia makes Trumps chances of winning Pennsylvania very remote.
It looks to me like Trump needs to get GA, AZ, and NC and 1 of these (PA, MI, WI).
Conversely, Harris (or Brown as some say) needs to hold PA, MI, WI, ie the blue wall.
All of these are so razor thin so who knows.
Conversely, Harris (or Brown as some say) needs to hold PA, MI, WI, ie the blue wall.
All of these are so razor thin so who knows.
He won in 2016 and would have won in 2020 but for the suburbs and certain rurals. For all the talk about Dem fraud, Trump did better in the cities in 2020 than he did in 2016.KaiBear said:sombear said:That's a really good poll for Trump.whiterock said:
PA firm. Knows how to poll PA as well as anyone.📊 PENNSYLVANIA poll by @SusquehannaPR for @La_Torre_Live
— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) September 25, 2024
🟥 Donald Trump: 46%
🟦 Kamala Harris: 46%
Last poll (7/28) - 🔵 Harris +4 (with RFK Jr)
——
Senate
🟦 Bob Casey (inc): 48%
🟥 David McCormick: 40%
——
#66 (2.3/3.0) | 700 LV | 9/16-22 | ±3.7% pic.twitter.com/oJqhHti63o
I've been skeptical of other good PA polls for Trump because they also have McCormick close, which I believe is way off. Here, McCormick is far behind, but Trump still tied.
The RNC thinks Trump is behind in PA but likes the trends.
LOL
Voter harvesting in Philadelphia makes Trumps chances of winning Pennsylvania very remote.
2,000 duplicate ballots were sent out in Wisconsin...
Wisconsin City's 'Clerical Error' Results In Thousands Of Duplicate Ballots Sent Out To Voters One America News Network (oann.com)
uncovered fraud?
Wisconsin City's 'Clerical Error' Results In Thousands Of Duplicate Ballots Sent Out To Voters One America News Network (oann.com)
uncovered fraud?
Nope. Try again. He has not been convicted of anything.BUDOS said:
Mister GrowlTowel I owe you an apology. I was wrong.
Trump is a convicted felon but that was based on screwing a porn star and then attempting to covering it up plus the 34 counts the jury found him guilty. The sexual assault/rape charges of which he was found guilty was a civil case. I apologize for my error and my negative comments to you.
As you can see by the articles below, regarding his convictions, you are supporting someone not worthy of the position. As for your failure to recognize the significance of January 6th, that's on you. Just one example, would be Trump sitting on his butt watching people getting hurt and doing nothing to stop it for hours. This is the kind of person you want to lead our country ?
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/e-jean-carroll-trump-trial-verdict-05-09-23/index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-carroll-judge-rape/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-charges-conviction-guilty-verdict/
The defamation case did not involve any claim for sexual assault.
Stop lying.
And yes, I will take him over a blow job artist any day of the week.
Trump: But if I were the president, I would inform the threatening country -- in this case, Iran -- that if you do anything to harm this person, we are going to blow your largest cities and the country itself to smithereens. We are going to blow it to smithereens. pic.twitter.com/Q8iMAjNsdz
— Acyn (@Acyn) September 25, 2024
Putin talk
"There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true." Soren Kierkegaard
Why the last inappropriate comment?
Why the last inappropriate comment?
BUDOS80
Ouch! Your argument scores points as it is a good one and well stated. I admit to having a major problem with what I witnessed all day on TV that January 6th. I saw and heard his speech, and I have a copy of it. I saw the vandalism and the mob, some of which seriously hurt others. I saw what happened when Trump sent out his text about Pence. And how Trump sit on his butt, watching all of it on TV. Trump attempted to overturn the results of the election by force, denying results of 30 court decisions ( including Trump appointed judges). How do you rationalize his actions just in this instance?
BUDOS80
BUDOS said:
Ouch! Your argument scores points as it is a good one and well stated. I admit to having a major problem with what I witnessed all day on TV that January 6th. I saw and heard his speech, and I have a copy of it. I saw the vandalism and the mob, some of which seriously hurt others. I saw what happened when Trump sent out his text about Pence. And how Trump sit on his butt, watching all of it on TV. Trump attempted to overturn the results of the election by force, denying results of 30 court decisions ( including Trump appointed judges). How do you rationalize his actions just in this instance?
Did you choose to forget Trump gave up power and left office ?
BUDOS said:
"There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true." Soren Kierkegaard
Why the last inappropriate comment?
The other is to be a lawyer that knows the law. But you keep believing the lies you're telling. They may come true someday if you hope and pray enough.
For the small cost of 4 years tuition at a state school you can own a Trump watch
I don't disagree, and it is highly unlikely that either of us is going to change our votes.
Much of what you said, IMO, symbolizes part of the reason our country is in this mess. Our overall political ignorance and lack of constructive political involvement has significantly contributed to many of our problems. We have become excellent grippers and trolls regarding our problems; however, when it comes to active participation in politics we don't.
Much of what you said, IMO, symbolizes part of the reason our country is in this mess. Our overall political ignorance and lack of constructive political involvement has significantly contributed to many of our problems. We have become excellent grippers and trolls regarding our problems; however, when it comes to active participation in politics we don't.
BUDOS80
But what if he had been successful January 6th?
Think about what would have had to happen for his effort to be successful and he remained our "illegitimate president"?
Think about what would have had to happen for his effort to be successful and he remained our "illegitimate president"?
BUDOS80