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In reply to Malbec • 8:16p, 9/27/24
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whiterock said:
Hard to square this with polls showing Kamala ahead
If that were the question that they actually asked in the poll survey, why would one of the choices for an answer be, "Someone else?"
they wont vote or dont want to tell you who they are voting for..
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 8:17p, 9/27/24
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hey look, people blaming the easy target for killing a crappy bill
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 8:23p, 9/27/24
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sombear said:
boognish_bear said:
This more than anything else out there is the most concerning for Trump.

Silver had Trump at 60% just a couple weeks ago. With his modeling, this is a dramatic shift.
Harris is going to win this thing. Trump thinks his base is enough, suburban women will put her over the top. Vance does not help. All the women at work comment on how creepy he is. That is what you want the electorate to say...
i was with you early on.. but I dont think you understand his base.

Little secret, those at work were always voting harris.. Trump has eroded young people votes, tribal people votes, hispanic votes, and black votes significantly from her base. Harris is doing well with women.

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In reply to 4th and Inches • 8:27p, 9/27/24
4th and Inches said:
Malbec said:
whiterock said:
Hard to square this with polls showing Kamala ahead
If that were the question that they actually asked in the poll survey, why would one of the choices for an answer be, "Someone else?"
they wont vote or dont want to tell you who they are voting for..
If they were registered voters polled, then "not voting" should be a choice. If they are likely voters, then "someone else" should not be a choice in the scenario offered in the question, unless we are to believe that fully 8% plan to write in a choice.
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In reply to Harrison Bergeron • 8:51p, 9/27/24
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I genuinely do not know how any sane person can vote for Harris. I genuinely think the only reason anyone will vote for her is because they have been misled by the media. There is not rational reason to vote for her unless one is just a purely tribal Democrat, which is much of the Democrats - there is a reason the phrase "yellow dog" Democrat is a true stereotype.

- Trump is a proven commodity: he had the most successful three-year presidency maybe ever; I am sure it can be debated, but hard to argue the success of his first three years
- Trump has a mixed record on Covid; like everything else, he tried to get in front of it but was immediately thwarted by Democrats; he brought the vaccine to market in record time, and most of the terrible Covid-era decisions were driven by governors not the federal government (although Fauci's terrible advice was behind much of it)
- Harris is literally the stupidest person ever to run for president; she is a abject moron
- Harris has failed at everything she has done including four years of one of the worse presidencies in modern memory, and she particularly failed at the tasks she was given
- Harris is the most radical, extreme president ever to run for office as a major party candidate

Unless one is a crazy partisan or just disinformed, no reasonable case to vote for Harris.

Well, Kamala might be the most successful prostitute in history. She might just parlay an affair with a corrupt politician years ago into a gif in the White House as puppet to Obama, Soros, or whomever is pulling the strings. True, she might have had to prostitute herself repeatedly to several fascist perverts like Bill Clinton or Joe Biden (which if pretty gross) but still might make her nominally the mist powerful person on earth.

If Joe Biden is the poster boy for elder abuse (virtually undeniable) then Joe & the Hoe are prime indicators that there is too much power in Washington.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
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In reply to 4th and Inches • 8:52p, 9/27/24
4th and Inches said:
BUDOS said:
So, If Trump's efforts that January 6th had been successful, would you have been unsettled?
what efforts are you talking about? Alot of J6 things happened..

“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
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In reply to Malbec • 8:54p, 9/27/24
Malbec said:
4th and Inches said:
Malbec said:
whiterock said:
Hard to square this with polls showing Kamala ahead
If that were the question that they actually asked in the poll survey, why would one of the choices for an answer be, "Someone else?"
they wont vote or dont want to tell you who they are voting for..
If they were registered voters polled, then "not voting" should be a choice. If they are likely voters, then "someone else" should not be a choice in the scenario offered in the question, unless we are to believe that fully 8% plan to write in a choice.
depending on the state, there will be up to 4 other choices besides Trump and Harris..

I dont think it should have been allowed response but i didnt write or complete the poll
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In reply to Malbec • 8:55p, 9/27/24
Malbec said:
4th and Inches said:
Malbec said:
whiterock said:
Hard to square this with polls showing Kamala ahead
If that were the question that they actually asked in the poll survey, why would one of the choices for an answer be, "Someone else?"
they wont vote or dont want to tell you who they are voting for..
If they were registered voters polled, then "not voting" should be a choice. If they are likely voters, then "someone else" should not be a choice in the scenario offered in the question, unless we are to believe that fully 8% plan to write in a choice.

"Someone else" = all other candidates, each getting 1-2% max

It's easier to combine them all into one than to list a dozen different people, some of whom won't even be in the ballot for all 50 states and none of whom have a chance of getting a significant number of votes. Think of RFK, Cornell West, the Green candidate, etc.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
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In reply to historian • 9:23p, 9/27/24
historian said:
Malbec said:
4th and Inches said:
Malbec said:
whiterock said:
Hard to square this with polls showing Kamala ahead
If that were the question that they actually asked in the poll survey, why would one of the choices for an answer be, "Someone else?"
they wont vote or dont want to tell you who they are voting for..
If they were registered voters polled, then "not voting" should be a choice. If they are likely voters, then "someone else" should not be a choice in the scenario offered in the question, unless we are to believe that fully 8% plan to write in a choice.

"Someone else" = all other candidates, each getting 1-2% max

It's easier to combine them all into one than to list a dozen different people, some of whom won't even be in the ballot for all 50 states and none of whom have a chance of getting a significant number of votes. Think of RFK, Cornell West, the Green candidate, etc.
That's not the question the poll asked. It wasn't "who are you voting for?" It was:
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If the 2024 election were between Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump, who would you vote for?
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In reply to boognish_bear • 9:26p, 9/27/24
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Of course if you don't have the "academic credentials," you can't turn the keys or tell us what a woman is.
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In reply to Malbec • 9:37p, 9/27/24
We live in a world where someone can roll up to a Burger King and demand a Big Mac, tell you Math is 'racist' and a Man can be a Woman if he feels that way, especially in sports.

I'm frankly surprised they don't get answers like "Obama" or "Iron man".
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In reply to Malbec • 9:47p, 9/27/24
And some people won't be pigeonholed into only two choices. They will choose another. That's the way elections or any other free choice works.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
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In reply to historian • 10:06p, 9/27/24
historian said:
And some people won't be pigeonholed into only two choices. They will choose another. That's the way elections or any other free choice works.
Never mind, you're not getting it. It's not a ballot, it's a poll that only gives you two choices. "Hi, this is Gallup. Are you a man or a woman?" "I'm a rock." Men 42% Women 47% Rocks 1%
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In reply to Malbec • 10:21p, 9/27/24
Malbec said:
historian said:
And some people won't be pigeonholed into only two choices. They will choose another. That's the way elections or any other free choice works.
Never mind, you're not getting it. It's not a ballot, it's a poll that only gives you two choices. "Hi, this is Gallup. Are you a man or a woman?" "I'm a rock." Men 42% Women 47% Rocks 1%
If it's a phone poll, responses will be more than the offered choices.

Humans do human things.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 10:38p, 9/27/24
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Adolf: "My cold dead soul... as he makes a joke about me getting murdered."

Not at all. You wanna play Nazi, that's you playing with Fate and I'm just the observer.

I will say I am glad you are spending so much time ranting online here. Every hour you spend here is one more synagogue that doesn't get vandalized.

I'll still be alive in 20 years and you wont.

Your passionate support of Netanyahu is ironic given that he is one of the most evil world leaders in recent history. It's a close race between Netanyahu, Osama Bin Ladin, and the guy who ran ISIS.

Netanyahu and the IDF make Putin and the Russians look like saints.
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In reply to The_barBEARian • 11:27p, 9/27/24
The_barBEARian said:
Oldbear83 said:
Adolf: "My cold dead soul... as he makes a joke about me getting murdered."

Not at all. You wanna play Nazi, that's you playing with Fate and I'm just the observer.

I will say I am glad you are spending so much time ranting online here. Every hour you spend here is one more synagogue that doesn't get vandalized.

I'll still be alive in 20 years and you wont.

Your passionate support of Netanyahu is ironic given that he is one of the most evil world leaders in recent history. It's a close race between Netanyahu, Osama Bin Ladin, and the guy who ran ISIS.

Netanyahu and the IDF make Putin and the Russians look like saints.
You continue to be wrong in a growing number of ways, Bar[notarealbear}ian.

I do not support any politician in Israel, but I do pay attention to who starts wars and actually commits heinous acts of murder.

And Putin is in a place of his own for evil. Dismissing his crimes speaks even worse for you.
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In reply to Malbec • 11:46p, 9/27/24
I do get that it's a poll and not a ballot and that not everyone polled is voting for one of the two choices, like the electorate in general. A poll is meaningless unless it reflects at least somewhat on the general population. This is not rocket science. People make their own choices regardless of what pollsters or anyone else want them to say. If the pollster only gives them 2 choices and someone is determined to vote another way, they might not give the pollster what he wants: they might make a third choice. Real ballots even offer the option for write in votes.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
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In reply to 4th and Inches • 7:23p, 9/28/24
4th and Inches said:
FLBear5630 said:
sombear said:
boognish_bear said:
This more than anything else out there is the most concerning for Trump.

Silver had Trump at 60% just a couple weeks ago. With his modeling, this is a dramatic shift.
Harris is going to win this thing. Trump thinks his base is enough, suburban women will put her over the top. Vance does not help. All the women at work comment on how creepy he is. That is what you want the electorate to say...
i was with you early on.. but I dont think you understand his base.

Little secret, those at work were always voting harris.. Trump has eroded young people votes, tribal people votes, hispanic votes, and black votes significantly from her base. Harris is doing well with women.




Not any better than Hillary did.
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 12:07a, 9/29/24
Redbrickbear said:

"Trump will be a dictator and our democracy is hanging by a thread"

ALSO

"Biden should unilaterally and unconstitutionally dissolve the Supreme Court because we don't like them"
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In reply to Jack Bauer • 3:20a, 9/29/24
Jack Bauer said:
Redbrickbear said:

"Trump will be a dictator and our democracy is hanging by a thread"

ALSO

"Biden should unilaterally and unconstitutionally dissolve the Supreme Court because we don't like them"


Millions just like this pseudo intellectual lesbian.

In their arrogance they would celebrate the murder of a political opponent.



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In reply to Redbrickbear • 6:39a, 9/29/24
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When you look at credit card interest rates, it becomes clear that:

(1) Lending standards and default rates are so astronomically bad that these companies have to charge 5x the prime to remain profitable.

(2) This sector has consolidated to the point that its monopolistic nature prevents a competitior from charging 2x the prime and poaching business.

Neither is a good take for a stable free market economy. Neither affect me personally because I dont carry credit card balances. But I understand that in an economy where inflation unleashed by Biden and Harris is destroying the purchasing power of most household salaries, that such people are trying to plug holes on the dyke with whatever they can, including using credit card debt for daily necessities. And since I like living in a stable society, I do need to care about things that affect other Americans.
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In reply to Realitybites • 8:31a, 9/29/24
Realitybites said:
Redbrickbear said:


When you look at credit card interest rates, it becomes clear that:

(1) Lending standards and default rates are so astronomically bad that these companies have to charge 5x the prime to remain profitable.

(2) This sector has consolidated to the point that its monopolistic nature prevents a competitior from charging 2x the prime and poaching business.

Neither is a good take for a stable free market economy. Neither affect me personally because I dont carry credit card balances. But I understand that in an economy where inflation unleashed by Biden and Harris is destroying the purchasing power of most household salaries, that such people are trying to plug holes on the dyke with whatever they can, including using credit card debt for daily necessities. And since I like living in a stable society, I do need to care about things that affect other Americans.
Interest rates are killing people. I love this idea of capping at 10%. This is a big issue with families. The day of saying well they shouldn't carry balances are gone. That does not help those already in the situation. Although it does make those that say that feel better.

I think Trump is on to something here. There is a difference between making a fair profit on lending and 20 and 30% that they are doing.
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10:04a, 9/29/24
Poll numbers are scaring Trump and his desperation is becoming evident.
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In reply to KaiBear • 10:51a, 9/29/24
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Poll numbers are scaring Trump and his desperation is becoming evident.


Not sure what poll numbers you are looking at. Or which candidate.
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11:11a, 9/29/24
At some point it does become if there is a sentient adult stupid enough to vote for that lying idiot then they deserve her good and hard.
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In reply to KaiBear • 11:12a, 9/29/24
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Poll numbers are scaring Trump and his desperation is becoming evident.
Please list those polls and the tabs [if any] referenced.
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In reply to Harrison Bergeron • 11:42a, 9/29/24
Harrison Bergeron said:
At some point it does become if there is a sentient adult stupid enough to vote for that lying idiot then they deserve her good and hard.
Yeah, but the rest of us don't deserve her good and hard
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In reply to Harrison Bergeron • 12:41p, 9/29/24
Harrison Bergeron said:
At some point it does become if there is a sentient adult stupid enough to vote for that lying idiot then they deserve her good and hard.

Maybe they do but the rest of us don't.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
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