ATL Bear said:
Oldbear83 said:
ATL Bear said:
Oldbear83 said:
ATL Bear said:
Oldbear83 said:
"I could name many, but I doubt it would matter. It wouldn't matter because you are under the false belief that Trump cares about the little guy"
This is what annoys me.
No, I do not support Trump.
No, I do not believe he cares about the little guy.
You are responding to your assumptions, not what I am saying.
Politics is perception. Obama won by creating the illusion that he cared, just as Biden tries to sell the same lie.
People listen for that message.
The Republicans insult their own base, laugh at tens of millions of voters and think they don't need them.
That way lies a second Biden term, and no, that is not because of Trump, it is because of you.
How many names do you need?
And if you don't want people to assume you support Trump, I suggest you stop supporting Trump in your posts and replies.
Maybe you could start with three, since you say there are so many prominent Republicans who have taken up the fight.
And criticizing cheap shots against Trump supporters is not at all the same as supporting Trump. How you still don't understand this by now, is baffling to any rational mind.
Rand Paul
Jim Jordan
James Comer
Just so we're clear, saying someone is wrong/dumb/(insert cheap shot) for supporting Biden or establishment Republicans is ok, but you can't say that about Trump supporters? I thought calling out foolishness was fair game?
Will look up your three.
But again, you really think attacking people you need on your side is good strategy?
I used to not believe that, until those same people decided it was important to attack people they needed, or have been convinced they don't need. Not sure any other message resonates with a group that has no issue with lighting the house on fire, and whose loyalty is to a person.
Debate and policy common ground was the usual approach, but as I said, Trump die hards are about the vibe and approach, not the policies. But if you can give me more ideas of what convinces them beyond being another Trump, I'm willing to listen.
Here's the thing about Trump. For literally
decades, Republicans have promised to address illegal immigration, to address the massive overspending, to stop wars with no purpose.
Only to ignore the base once they were in office.
Republican voters were unhappy to see W palling with the Obamas, to see Bush I pal with Clinton, to see Boehner, McConnell, and all the leading Republicans go along with Democrats on things most of the country never needed or wanted.
And a lot of shady stuff happened in 2020, we all know it.
Most Trump voters did not want him, but once they supported him they see him as doing what he said, following through.
Yes, some of that was just bloviation, some was just posture, but
enough was real to give us the best thing in border control since Reagan was just an actor, and serious common sense in our Foreign and Trade policies.
Your post makes it clear you refuse to look at what the Trump voters see. As I said, my wife - who never even voted until 2016 - supports Trump with the
full knowledge of his limits.
You want her and others like her to vote for your guy, you need him/her to show respect for Trump's policies and present solutions in the same spirit. DeSantis can do it, maybe two others, but you absolutely cannot win without those voters.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier