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The real prize will be forensic accounting of his election funds during discovery. If this moves forward we will all see how he spent the money you guys so generously gave him. Might be a real eye opener.

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It's always amusing to see fake lawyers at play.

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It is amusing to watch people (that really know. wink, wink) be surprised with speculation on a message board, as well.

Why do you come to a political message board? This is all speculation by people with limited information and expertise. That is the whole point of this set up. To act like only "real" lawyers with "real" information can speculate is a silly and unrealistic expectation.

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I meant what I wrote - it's fun, and often funny.

No one here is going to decide the outcome, all we do is talk.

But Lord knows there are some Trump-sized egos here!

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The real prize will be forensic accounting of his election funds during discovery. If this moves forward we will all see how he spent the money you guys so generously gave him. Might be a real eye opener.

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It's always amusing to see fake lawyers at play.

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It is amusing to watch people (that really know. wink, wink) be surprised with speculation on a message board, as well.

Why do you come to a political message board? This is all speculation by people with limited information and expertise. That is the whole point of this set up. To act like only "real" lawyers with "real" information can speculate is a silly and unrealistic expectation.

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I meant what I wrote - it's fun, and often funny.

No one here is going to decide the outcome, all we do is talk.

But Lord knows there are some Trump-sized egos here!

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We are in agreement there!

I also believe it is fun. This Board is not that bad. My favorite is the Pay Football Board listening to those people that really know and do not seem to ever be right. That was my parenthetical comment.

"Prove your innocence" sounds like something from USSR.

Defendants don’t “prove their innocence” in court. Prosecutors must prove guilt. This isn’t an innocent mistake, it’s a Freudian slip that reveals how certain “leaders” in this country think. https://t.co/g0YHGqtaDh

— Vivek Ramaswamy (@VivekGRamaswamy) March 31, 2023

oh...a fine you say? Why no indictment? Why no frog march to jail?

BREAKING: Last year Hillary Clinton quietly settled a campaign finance violation over reporting the *Steele Dossier* funding as legal services

She paid a fine and was never arrested pic.twitter.com/MoIoClVaQ8

— Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) March 30, 2023

Pelosi: 'We Have To Convict Trump On The Charges To Find Out What Is In Them' https://t.co/bk5UXKynlm

— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) March 31, 2023

David Axelrod is worried Trump being arrested will be bad for Democrats:

"I would certainly not handcuff him. He would love that picture." pic.twitter.com/6869K9jpIW

— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) March 31, 2023

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Either it's illegal to pay off people to hush up during political campaigns or it isn't. Real simple. The fact that it was a porn star is just some butter on the popcorn, doesn't change the nature of the thing.

I'm of the mind that they should not being these charges at this time. However I'm also not sure when the proper time is. At the end of the day, if he broke the law during his first campaign, what do you wait for to charge him. The 7th campaign? Waiting till he has lost seems fair.

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Then the question is, why didn't the feds indict him for it? Most likely because they usually look the other way on most campaign finance violations, especially one such as this, where money was not misused but instead not properly reported.

It was the feds duty to bring the claim, and because they did not, the DA is reportedly trying to shoehorn a misdemeanor allegation into a felony based on a purported campaign finance violation that Trump has never been charged with or convicted of. That screams political prosecution.

To me, the better route to go after Trump, and one that has real legs, is his attempts to intimidate GA officials into throwing the election. Yet in their zeal to get Trump, the DA has purportedly brought some flimsy claims.

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Disagree on GA, saying "Find me the votes..." can be interpreted as just a vernacular phrase, not to be taken literally. GA would be a lot of circumstantial general comments that a reasonable person would not take as literal Especially with someone like Trump that doesn't exactly use precise language for anything.

I do think this will end in a acquittal, but turn up some questionable financial practices that will out DOJ in a tough spot and give the media a lot of ammo.

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We can agree to disagree. I think we know exactly what Trump was doing.

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You really think he meant to manufacture votes? Sorry, I read it more as a figurative comment, he wanted more votes and higher turnout but not to physically go a create votes. Trump consistently has spoken in figurative language, he consistently exaggerated to get a point across. Same as saying "I can eat a horse" or "I am going to kill you in a contest".

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What he wanted was for Georgia to throw out enough votes in majority dem (black) areas to change the result, based on claims of "fraud" that he arguably knew or should have know were bullsht. There's a reason his attacks have been so laser focused on certain counties, it's the ones that went overwhelmingly blue so throwing out their votes wouldnt hurt his own vote total much. All he really needed was to throw out 15-20k or so of the "right" votes in a given precinct to make him the winner. Remember, it's not just Trump's call to the Georgia SecState at issue, he also called the local US Attorney, Governor Kemp, and the Georgia Speaker of the House all with substantially the same request: do whatever they had to do to change the winner to him. Lindsey Graham and a host of others participated in that same scheme too.

The Georgia case has stronger legs, but that doesn't mean Bragg doesn't have the goods either. Lindsey Graham almost cried his eyes out last night on Fox begging for people to donate to Trump, he knows what might be coming out of Georgia and what it means for both of them.

HuMcK said:

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Either it's illegal to pay off people to hush up during political campaigns or it isn't. Real simple. The fact that it was a porn star is just some butter on the popcorn, doesn't change the nature of the thing.

I'm of the mind that they should not being these charges at this time. However I'm also not sure when the proper time is. At the end of the day, if he broke the law during his first campaign, what do you wait for to charge him. The 7th campaign? Waiting till he has lost seems fair.

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Then the question is, why didn't the feds indict him for it? Most likely because they usually look the other way on most campaign finance violations, especially one such as this, where money was not misused but instead not properly reported.

It was the feds duty to bring the claim, and because they did not, the DA is reportedly trying to shoehorn a misdemeanor allegation into a felony based on a purported campaign finance violation that Trump has never been charged with or convicted of. That screams political prosecution.

To me, the better route to go after Trump, and one that has real legs, is his attempts to intimidate GA officials into throwing the election. Yet in their zeal to get Trump, the DA has purportedly brought some flimsy claims.

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Disagree on GA, saying "Find me the votes..." can be interpreted as just a vernacular phrase, not to be taken literally. GA would be a lot of circumstantial general comments that a reasonable person would not take as literal Especially with someone like Trump that doesn't exactly use precise language for anything.

I do think this will end in a acquittal, but turn up some questionable financial practices that will out DOJ in a tough spot and give the media a lot of ammo.

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We can agree to disagree. I think we know exactly what Trump was doing.

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You really think he meant to manufacture votes? Sorry, I read it more as a figurative comment, he wanted more votes and higher turnout but not to physically go a create votes. Trump consistently has spoken in figurative language, he consistently exaggerated to get a point across. Same as saying "I can eat a horse" or "I am going to kill you in a contest".

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What he wanted was for Georgia to throw out enough votes in majority dem (black) areas to change the result, based on claims of "fraud" that he arguably knew or should have know were bullsht. There's a reason his attacks have been so laser focused on certain counties, it's the ones that went overwhelmingly blue so throwing out their votes wouldnt hurt his own vote total much. All he really needed was to throw out 15-20k or so of the "right" votes in a given precinct to make him the winner. Remember, it's not just Trump's call to the Georgia SecState at issue, he also called the local US Attorney, Governor Kemp, and the Georgia Speaker of the House all with substantially the same request: do whatever they had to do to change the winner to him. Lindsey Graham and a host of others participated in that same scheme too.

The Georgia case has stronger legs, but that doesn't mean Bragg doesn't have the goods either. Lindsey Graham almost cried his eyes out last night on Fox begging for people to donate to Trump, he knows what might be coming out of Georgia and what it means for both of them.

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By all reports, what Bragg has is weak. Very weak. But I guess we will see.

Dems cheated via massive mail in votes in Atlanta etc. The participation rate of registered voters in Atlanta etc , all heavy Dem districts, was like 88%. Normally its like 55% to 57%. This can't be. So however they CHEATED. Cleavlend had a voter participation rate of like 56% in 2020. So however they cheated, they cheated. They tried to mailout 2.2 million ballots in Harris County, TX. Ken Paxton put a stop to it via the courts.

So this is good for Biden and his crime family as it takes attention away from them. The Biden's must feel proud they have the world by the balls. However it's just a matter of time before Joe and his clan are jailed and this crap is finally cleaned up

As a democrat, do you think it's shady that they go after Trump but shove the Epstein client list under the rug?

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As a democrat, do you think it's shady that they go after Trump but shove the Epstein client list under the rug?

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Trump is also on that list.

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Doc Holliday said:

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As a democrat, do you think it's shady that they go after Trump but shove the Epstein client list under the rug?

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Trump is also on that list.

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Maybe. Bill Clinton and many neoliberal elites are and they're all untouchable.

Are you a democrat?

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Doc Holliday said:

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As a democrat, do you think it's shady that they go after Trump but shove the Epstein client list under the rug?

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Trump is also on that list.

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Maybe. Bill Clinton and many neoliberal elites are and they're all untouchable.

Are you a democrat?

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not maybe, he is.

nope, R.

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Doc Holliday said:

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As a democrat, do you think it's shady that they go after Trump but shove the Epstein client list under the rug?

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Trump is also on that list.

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Maybe. Bill Clinton and many neoliberal elites are and they're all untouchable.

Are you a democrat?

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not maybe, he is.

nope, R.

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Bwahaha. You're about as Republican as Trump is likely to receive a written apology from Biden.

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LateSteak69 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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As a democrat, do you think it's shady that they go after Trump but shove the Epstein client list under the rug?

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Trump is also on that list.

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Maybe. Bill Clinton and many neoliberal elites are and they're all untouchable.

Are you a democrat?

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not maybe, he is.

nope, R.

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Bwahaha. You're about as Republican as Trump is likely to receive a written apology from Biden.

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always have been. Didnt vote for fat orange because his isnt a republican.

now move along and go drink some kool aid.

Not only is Trump on that list, it was his (and Barr's) DoJ that scooped Epstein up and buried it. Trump ran a modeling agency and Epstein recruited at least one girl from Trump's club, I never really got how the Q nuts didn't turn their attention to him because the red flags are glaring.

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LateSteak69 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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LateSteak69 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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As a democrat, do you think it's shady that they go after Trump but shove the Epstein client list under the rug?

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Trump is also on that list.

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Maybe. Bill Clinton and many neoliberal elites are and they're all untouchable.

Are you a democrat?

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not maybe, he is.

nope, R.

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Bwahaha. You're about as Republican as Trump is likely to receive a written apology from Biden.

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always have been. Didnt vote for fat orange because his isnt a republican.

now move along and go drink some kool aid.

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Who did you vote for out of curiosity?

The United States of America is a misnomer.

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Not only is Trump on that list, it was his (and Barr's) DoJ that scooped Epstein up and buried it. Trump ran a modeling agency and Epstein recruited at least one girl from Trump's club, I never really got how the Q nuts didn't turn their attention to him because the red flags are glaring.

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For someone who gets on Republicans about election conspiracies and media conspiracies and Benghazi conspiracies, I must say you sure do subscribe to your fair share of conspiracies about Trump.

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LateSteak69 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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LateSteak69 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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As a democrat, do you think it's shady that they go after Trump but shove the Epstein client list under the rug?

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Trump is also on that list.

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Maybe. Bill Clinton and many neoliberal elites are and they're all untouchable.

Are you a democrat?

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not maybe, he is.

nope, R.

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Bwahaha. You're about as Republican as Trump is likely to receive a written apology from Biden.

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always have been. Didnt vote for fat orange because his isnt a republican.

now move along and go drink some kool aid.

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Your posts read like an AOC screed.

You have the courtesy level of a BIden

Hell no, you are no Conservative, although you might be a RINO like Romney.

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Not only is Trump on that list, it was his (and Barr's) DoJ that scooped Epstein up and buried it. Trump ran a modeling agency and Epstein recruited at least one girl from Trump's club, I never really got how the Q nuts didn't turn their attention to him because the red flags are glaring.

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Why is the current DOJ burying it?

Trump was supporting Lindsay Graham and Fauci. He was trusting of career bureaucrats and neoliberal elites, like the kind of people you democrats fully support.

It's just bizarre to me that you democrats used to be all occupy wallstreet and now you're shaming anyone who questions government and what can only be described as a kleptocracy between corporation, bureaucracy and politicians. Like if I say "government is recklessly spending money on total bs" it upsets you.

I'm honestly curious what your ideal America looks like because it's probably going to be democrats controlling everything in the near future. Like do you want the entire country resembling how they run San Francisco?

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Either it's illegal to pay off people to hush up during political campaigns or it isn't. Real simple. The fact that it was a porn star is just some butter on the popcorn, doesn't change the nature of the thing.

I'm of the mind that they should not being these charges at this time. However I'm also not sure when the proper time is. At the end of the day, if he broke the law during his first campaign, what do you wait for to charge him. The 7th campaign? Waiting till he has lost seems fair.

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Then the question is, why didn't the feds indict him for it? Most likely because they usually look the other way on most campaign finance violations, especially one such as this, where money was not misused but instead not properly reported.

It was the feds duty to bring the claim, and because they did not, the DA is reportedly trying to shoehorn a misdemeanor allegation into a felony based on a purported campaign finance violation that Trump has never been charged with or convicted of. That screams political prosecution.

To me, the better route to go after Trump, and one that has real legs, is his attempts to intimidate GA officials into throwing the election. Yet in their zeal to get Trump, the DA has purportedly brought some flimsy claims.

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Disagree on GA, saying "Find me the votes..." can be interpreted as just a vernacular phrase, not to be taken literally. GA would be a lot of circumstantial general comments that a reasonable person would not take as literal Especially with someone like Trump that doesn't exactly use precise language for anything.

I do think this will end in a acquittal, but turn up some questionable financial practices that will out DOJ in a tough spot and give the media a lot of ammo.

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We can agree to disagree. I think we know exactly what Trump was doing.

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You really think he meant to manufacture votes? Sorry, I read it more as a figurative comment, he wanted more votes and higher turnout but not to physically go a create votes. Trump consistently has spoken in figurative language, he consistently exaggerated to get a point across. Same as saying "I can eat a horse" or "I am going to kill you in a contest".

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What he wanted was for Georgia to throw out enough votes in majority dem (black) areas to change the result, based on claims of "fraud" that he arguably knew or should have know were bullsht. There's a reason his attacks have been so laser focused on certain counties, it's the ones that went overwhelmingly blue so throwing out their votes wouldnt hurt his own vote total much. All he really needed was to throw out 15-20k or so of the "right" votes in a given precinct to make him the winner. Remember, it's not just Trump's call to the Georgia SecState at issue, he also called the local US Attorney, Governor Kemp, and the Georgia Speaker of the House all with substantially the same request: do whatever they had to do to change the winner to him. Lindsey Graham and a host of others participated in that same scheme too.

The Georgia case has stronger legs, but that doesn't mean Bragg doesn't have the goods either. Lindsey Graham almost cried his eyes out last night on Fox begging for people to donate to Trump, he knows what might be coming out of Georgia and what it means for both of them.

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Queen Lindsey has become just a pathetic boot licker politician. ZERO respect for that arse clown getting all teary eyed and begging people to send $ to Trump. Saw it last night and it was just pathetic. I don't know who is, worse, Trumps, Jim Jordon or Queen Lindsey. What a clown show.

Dems are politically brilliant .

This legally flawed and obviously politically motivated indictment will never put Trump in jail.

Even with the most liberal judge available and a jury made up of the biggest Trump haters to be found in Manhattan.

Any 'guilty' verdict will be tossed on appeal .

So why did the Dem power brokers authorize this sham ?

To motivate Trump's diehard base and intimidate any other Republicans from running against the ' martyr ' during the presidential primary .

Dems WANT to face Trump in the 2024 general election ( as he is a far weaker opponent than DeSantis ) .

Dems KNOW Trump is hated by most independents, women and younger voters .

Trump the 'martyr' is now the odds on favorite to win the Republican nomination.

Whom the Dems will mud stomp in the general election despite every economic, social and foreign policy screw up imaginable.

100% brilliant political warfare.

Dems…..continue to outthink and outmaneuver the Republicans .

I think it is bad for the country that a former president got indicted.

Trump may be the first, but he won't be the last. You pick the man, I'll find the crime. This is a bad road we're traveling.

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I think it is bad for the country that a former president got indicted.

Trump may be the first, but he won't be the last. You pick the man, I'll find the crime. This is a bad road we're traveling.

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So, Trump should be aloud to break laws, lie, cheat and steal and that is ok with you?

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I think it is bad for the country that a former president got indicted.

Trump may be the first, but he won't be the last. You pick the man, I'll find the crime. This is a bad road we're traveling.

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Part of Trump's problem (at least with NYS), is he didn't leave town fast enough. Not many Dems. attaining high office while a resident of a Red State. So the Republicans looking for a POTUS payback will have to go the Federal route, with Dems home court advantage in DC.

Seriously, I agree this is a horrible precedent. Politics of vengeance, where each new leader is going to tear down everything the last guy built up, is not a sane way to govern a banana republic, let alone the sole super power on earth.

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Dems are politically brilliant .

This legally flawed and obviously politically motivated indictment will never put Trump in jail.

Even with the most liberal judge available and a jury made up of the biggest Trump haters to be found in Manhattan.

Any 'guilty' verdict will be tossed on appeal .

So why did the Dem power brokers authorize this shame ?

To motivate Trump's diehard base and intimidate any other Republicans from running against the ' martyr ' during the presidential primary .

Dems WANT to face Trump in the 2024 general election ( as he is a far weaker opponent than DeSantis ) .

Dems KNOW Trump is hated by most independents, women and younger voters .

Trump the 'martyr' is now the odds on favorite to win the Republican nomination.

Whom the Dems will mud stomp in the general election despite every economic, social and foreign policy screw up imaginable.

100% brilliant political warfare.

Dems…..continue to outthink and outmaneuver the Republicans .

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They don't know how to govern though, which means we're headed for even tougher times.

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Osodecentx said:

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I think it is bad for the country that a former president got indicted.

Trump may be the first, but he won't be the last. You pick the man, I'll find the crime. This is a bad road we're traveling.

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So, Trump should be aloud to break laws, lie, cheat and steal and that is ok with you?

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Many think Trump should be allowed to participate in the election process without being attacked and harassed by the dnc controlled intelligence agencies and activist DAs based on spurious at best accusations based on standards that literally no one else has ever been held to.

If Trump runs again, Democrats have the perfect cover for the unexplained surge in votes that will ensure their victory.

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Osodecentx said:

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I think it is bad for the country that a former president got indicted.

Trump may be the first, but he won't be the last. You pick the man, I'll find the crime. This is a bad road we're traveling.

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So, Trump should be aloud to break laws, lie, cheat and steal and that is ok with you?

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It is more complex
What is good for the country? BTW, I'm Never Trump

Do you think a Republican DA in Tx won't be able to indict Biden in Denton? In Wynne?'

This is a bad road

I can't stand the fat SOB but agree the charges are weak. However, Bragg going first is going to blunt the backlash when the real charges from Georgia and the 1/6 prosecutor arrive. And for those I hope he does time. Then I hope to help Youngkin or Christie or Desantis mop up the floor with what's left of Biden.

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Osodecentx said:

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I think it is bad for the country that a former president got indicted.

Trump may be the first, but he won't be the last. You pick the man, I'll find the crime. This is a bad road we're traveling.

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So, Trump should be aloud to break laws, lie, cheat and steal and that is ok with you?

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It is more complex
What is good for the country? BTW, I'm Never Trump

Do you think a Republican DA in Tx won't be able to indict Biden in Denton? In Wynne?'

This is a bad road

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That, and Comey pretty much said the reason he did not refer charges against Hillary was the election. Should she have been indicted? Her husband? Biden when he is done?

I, too, am not defending Trump. In fact, he cried wolf too many times, screaming to the rooftops about how Hillary and countless others SHOULD be indicted.

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Either it's illegal to pay off people to hush up during political campaigns or it isn't. Real simple. The fact that it was a porn star is just some butter on the popcorn, doesn't change the nature of the thing.

I'm of the mind that they should not being these charges at this time. However I'm also not sure when the proper time is. At the end of the day, if he broke the law during his first campaign, what do you wait for to charge him. The 7th campaign? Waiting till he has lost seems fair.

The fact that some of you are so upset that this guy is being indicted shows what a stranglehold he has on conservatives. You guys are so in love with him you can't stomach him standing trial. You trash America in response. Really taking one out of the lib playbook.

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Who is in love with him on here? I want him to go away. If he is the nominee it guarantees a Dem win.

If he's guilty then charge him but everyone knows what the Dems and Biden have done is 100x worse and Dems get off all the time doing far more major things. That's why people are so upset.

Desantis 100%

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How is the dems going after Trump that far different from Repubs going after Clinton for a blowie in his office.?

This will solidify the "vote for Trump no matter what he does" and probably give him the nomination. I dont think the dems could win against even a mediocre csandidate. The outcome of this will pave the way for another incompetent Dem president. As long as men vote for PoS's America is in trouble.

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You should probably do a little research if you thought Clinton's offense was getting a blow job. Pretty significant distinction between repeatedly lying under oath - a well known felony offense called perjury - and this misdemeanor offense, which the DA is trying to spin into a felony. Clinton's offense was considered bad enough that his license to practice law in his home state was suspended for 5 years. So apples to oranges comparison here.

I'm curious - do you plan on voting in the Republican primaries? If so who will you vote for?

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Undecided but if election were today I would vote for DeSantis. I dont agree with him 100% but I appreciate his military service. He seems like an honest man