How To Get To Heaven When You Die

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So let's see what the Gospels say about Christ's preaching:

From the very start, Christ's message was not one of bring the Jews to power but one of repentance:

"From that time began Jesus to preach, and to say, Repent ye; for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 4:17

And from the beginning, there were people outside Israel who followed Christ:

"And there followed him great multitudes from Galilee and Decapolis and Jerusalem and Judaea and from beyond the Jordan." Matthew 4:25 (bold emphasis added)

And also from the beginning, Christ preached that we are to do good works:

"Even so let your light shine before men; that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven." Matthew 5:16

"whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." Mark 2:35

"Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Every one that cometh unto me, and heareth my words, and doeth them, I will show you to whom he is like: he is like a man building a house, who dug and went deep, and laid a foundation upon the rock: and when a flood arose, the stream brake against that house, and could not shake it: ]because it had been well built. But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that built a house upon the earth without a foundation; against which the stream brake, and straightway it fell in; and the ruin of that house was great." Luke 6:46-49

And Christ warned that He was there not to ignore sin but to make us mindful that our very thoughts could be sinful:

"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. " Matthew 5:19

See also verses 21-48, where Christ makes it plain that the expectation is "Ye therefore shall be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect." (Matthew 5:48)

Now you, Frodo, have made much about Christ speaking 'only' to the Jews. Well, consider who Jesus singled out for His attention, help and praise:

Matthew 8:1-4 and Mark 1:40-45; Jesus heals a leper while ignoring the multitudes following Him at that moment (you should recall that lepers were outcasts, and observant Jews were not allowed to interact with them, but Christ not only did so, but showed immediate attention to the man).

Matthew 8:5-13 and Luke 7:2-10; A Roman Centurion (by no means a Jew) asked Christ to heal his servant, and when Christ offered to go to his house the Centurion replied he was not worthy but that if Christ said it would be done, he knew it would be done. Christ made a point of praising the faith of the Centurion ("I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel." Luke 7:9), saying "many shall come from the east and the west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 8:11), making absolutely clear that His mission included all.

I'm not even going to go into detail about the Good Samaritan, but seriously, you should think about just why Christ was so specific that a man from a group considered non-Jewish would be commended for loving his neighbor as God intends.

Now you, Frodo, may focus on Matthew 10:5, where Christ directed His disciples to only preach to the Jews (the lost sheep of Israel). But I would hope you understand that at that point those disciples were babies in faith, and for them to speak to Gentiles would be well beyond their scope at that time.

Yet John 1:29 tells us as Christ began his ministry, John the Baptist declared "Behold, the Lamb of God, that ]taketh away the sin of the world!"

Not save the Jews, but the whole world.

This is repeated in the third chapter, where Christ promises "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him." John 3:16-17

And by the way, in that same chapter Jesus confirms "But he that doeth the truth cometh to the light, that his works may be made manifest, [h]that they have been wrought in God." John 3:21

That in no way means we are saved by works, but it's plain that Christ expects us to bear fruit, and no that does not mean going to church or posting scripture on a web forum counts as fruit.

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Oldbear83 said:

Denial often comes along for the ride, when Pride is driving the mind.


. I see, so then your pride is what is keeping you from seeing what the Scriptures are saying? Have you even listened to the link I sent that explains this stuff? Or has your pride kept you from even hearing a different view from your own?
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The pride in question is yours, Frodo. Please think about why no one else even bothers with you anymore on this thread.

You make it all about you. I pray for you, and will continue to do so.
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Did someone say Pride?

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Oldbear83 said:

The pride in question is yours, Frodo. Please think about why no one else even bothers with you anymore on this thread.

You make it all about you. I pray for you, and will continue to do so.


Well I think the pride is yours. You like to accuse and deflect your own faults onto others and others have pointed that out to you before.

You are too arrogant and prideful to listen to the link explain Biblically why Jesus sent Paul to reveal Grace. You choose to stay ignorant.

Pray that the Lord will open your heart to the truth.
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Frodo, you remain in denial.

Well, I tried. Enjoy your solitude in this thread.
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Oldbear83 said:

Frodo, you remain in denial.

Well, I tried. Enjoy your solitude in this thread.


So then you are so prideful and arrogant that you won't even consider listening to my point of view as shown via the Scriptures themselves?

You are the prideful.and arrogant one. Is that wisdom? Or is it arrogance?
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Read the last several posts Frodo. I posted extensive Gospel verses ... which you ignored.

You don't even see it, is what is truly sad.
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Oldbear83 said:

Read the last several posts Frodo. I posted extensive Gospel verses ... which you ignored.

You don't even see it, is what is truly sad.


Did you listen to the video?
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Oldbear83 said:

Read the last several posts Frodo. I posted extensive Gospel verses ... which you ignored.

You don't even see it, is what is truly sad.


So let's just get this straight: you believe Jesus when he is ministering to the Jews under the law, but you don't believe Jesus when he gives his message to paul? Is that correct?
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xfrodobagginsx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Read the last several posts Frodo. I posted extensive Gospel verses ... which you ignored.

You don't even see it, is what is truly sad.


So let's just get this straight: you believe Jesus when he is ministering to the Jews under the law, but you don't believe Jesus when he gives his message to paul? Is that correct?


No, I believe Christ because the Gospels tell us His words.

I do not believe you when you put Paul in Christ's place and ignore Christ Himself.
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Oldbear83 said:

xfrodobagginsx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Read the last several posts Frodo. I posted extensive Gospel verses ... which you ignored.

You don't even see it, is what is truly sad.


So let's just get this straight: you believe Jesus when he is ministering to the Jews under the law, but you don't believe Jesus when he gives his message to paul? Is that correct?


No, I believe Christ because the Gospels tell us His words.

I do not believe you when you put Paul in Christ's place and ignore Christ Himself.


So then you believe Paul is a liar? He didn't really get his Doctrine from Jesus Christ himself as he says? And also you are too arrogant to listen to the explanation because you are too prideful is that right?
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You ignored what I said, yet again.

That is a habit of yours, and it does not help your argument.
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Oldbear83 said:

You ignored what I said, yet again.

That is a habit of yours, and it does not help your argument.


You said I put Paul in Christ's place and ignore Jesus. That's the same as saying that you don't believe Paul, you believe Jesus over Paul. So, I didn't ignore what you said, I acknowledged that false belief of yours as your own. Here is why you are wrong:

Jesus gave Paul ALL of his Doctrine and sent Paul to share it with the Gentiles.
The last I checked, I am a gentile. So Jesus gave a different message to Paul for gentiles under grace today, then Jesus gave the Jews under the Law that Jesus in His earthly ministry gave them. Why? Because the Jews rejected their Messiah and the message was a Kingdom age message to Jews under Law that the King was in their midst, to repent and be baptized and accept their Messiah. Paul's Message is to have faith in Jesus Christ as your Lord, believing in your heart that He died and rose again, shedding His blood as a Sacrifice for your sins. You want to ignore Paul's message given to him by Christ and therefore reject Christ. I am not serving Paul, I am believing Jesus Message that Paul brings, just as the Jews believed the message that Moses had been given to him by the Lord Jehovah, God, the Pre Incarnate Christ on Mt Sinai. The whole Bible is inspired by God Himself, to reject Paul is to reject the Word of God. Even the 12 Disciples approved of Paul's writings and ministry as from God. Need proof?? You need to repent and ask God to forgive you for your arrogance and pride, while accusing others of YOUR fault.

LISTEN TO THE LINK I SENT YOU!
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I will repost it for you. Tell me what he says that is not backed up by the Bible it's self:

The Disciples & Jesus Ministered To Israel, Paul Preached To The Gentiles

25 minutes

https://www.lesfeldick.org/mp3/35-3-1.mp3
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Oldbear83 said:

xfrodobagginsx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Read the last several posts Frodo. I posted extensive Gospel verses ... which you ignored.

You don't even see it, is what is truly sad.


So let's just get this straight: you believe Jesus when he is ministering to the Jews under the law, but you don't believe Jesus when he gives his message to paul? Is that correct?


No, I believe Christ because the Gospels tell us His words.

I do not believe you when you put Paul in Christ's place and ignore Christ Himself.
If you believe Jesus' words, then you have to believe in salvation purely by works, don't you? Because as it says in Matthew 19:16-17 :

"Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"
"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.
"

So are we saved by our keeping of the Law? I mean, these ARE Jesus' words, aren't they?
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Oldbear83 said:

You ignored what I said, yet again.

That is a habit of yours, and it does not help your argument.
You are implying that Paul in some way contradicts or competes against Jesus. This pretty much puts you in the same boat as another person in another thread (which I'm certain you read) who did the same thing, except that he was more direct and flat out claimed Paul was wrong. The implication of this, then, is that Paul's epistles are NOT the inspired word of God, and therefore the New Testament is corrupted, correct?

So how do you answer this? Frodo is right to point this out.
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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

Oldbear83 said:

You ignored what I said, yet again.

That is a habit of yours, and it does not help your argument.
You are implying that Paul in some way contradicts or competes against Jesus. This pretty much puts you in the same boat as another person in another thread (which I'm certain you read) who did the same thing, except that he was more direct and flat out claimed Paul was wrong. The implication of this, then, is that Paul's epistles are NOT the inspired word of God, and therefore the New Testament is corrupted, correct?

So how do you answer this? Frodo is right to point this out.


Yes, he called me a heretic for pointing it out and so I am trying to ask him which Scripture I listed or which Scripture Les Feldick lists in the link is incorrect. Because he insists that what I am saying is not Biblical. He says I am putting Paul in the place of Christ. I pointed out that Christ GAVE Paul his Doctrine, so it's all the Word of Christ. Christ was Ministering to JEWS still under Law. And Christ revealed to the Gentiles that we are no longer under the Law (After the Cross) through Paul. Law (Works). Grace (Faith without works). Dispensationalism is correct Theology. It's Biblical and Logical.
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Please take the time to read this first post if you haven't yet.
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No one is saying that Paul contradicts Christ.

The error is in ignoring Christ because you are falsely interpreting Paul to serve a different claim than what Christ taught and practiced.

This is, I believe, why you continue to ignore every verse from Christ. Jesus gets in your way.
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Oldbear83 said:

So let's see what the Gospels say about Christ's preaching:

From the very start, Christ's message was not one of bring the Jews to power but one of repentance:

"From that time began Jesus to preach, and to say, Repent ye; for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 4:17

And from the beginning, there were people outside Israel who followed Christ:

"And there followed him great multitudes from Galilee and Decapolis and Jerusalem and Judaea and from beyond the Jordan." Matthew 4:25 (bold emphasis added)

And also from the beginning, Christ preached that we are to do good works:

"Even so let your light shine before men; that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven." Matthew 5:16

"whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." Mark 2:35

"Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Every one that cometh unto me, and heareth my words, and doeth them, I will show you to whom he is like: he is like a man building a house, who dug and went deep, and laid a foundation upon the rock: and when a flood arose, the stream brake against that house, and could not shake it: ]because it had been well built. But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that built a house upon the earth without a foundation; against which the stream brake, and straightway it fell in; and the ruin of that house was great." Luke 6:46-49

And Christ warned that He was there not to ignore sin but to make us mindful that our very thoughts could be sinful:

"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. " Matthew 5:19

See also verses 21-48, where Christ makes it plain that the expectation is "Ye therefore shall be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect." (Matthew 5:48)

Now you, Frodo, have made much about Christ speaking 'only' to the Jews. Well, consider who Jesus singled out for His attention, help and praise:

Matthew 8:1-4 and Mark 1:40-45; Jesus heals a leper while ignoring the multitudes following Him at that moment (you should recall that lepers were outcasts, and observant Jews were not allowed to interact with them, but Christ not only did so, but showed immediate attention to the man).

Matthew 8:5-13 and Luke 7:2-10; A Roman Centurion (by no means a Jew) asked Christ to heal his servant, and when Christ offered to go to his house the Centurion replied he was not worthy but that if Christ said it would be done, he knew it would be done. Christ made a point of praising the faith of the Centurion ("I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel." Luke 7:9), saying "many shall come from the east and the west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 8:11), making absolutely clear that His mission included all.

I'm not even going to go into detail about the Good Samaritan, but seriously, you should think about just why Christ was so specific that a man from a group considered non-Jewish would be commended for loving his neighbor as God intends.

Now you, Frodo, may focus on Matthew 10:5, where Christ directed His disciples to only preach to the Jews (the lost sheep of Israel). But I would hope you understand that at that point those disciples were babies in faith, and for them to speak to Gentiles would be well beyond their scope at that time.

Yet John 1:29 tells us as Christ began his ministry, John the Baptist declared "Behold, the Lamb of God, that ]taketh away the sin of the world!"

Not save the Jews, but the whole world.

This is repeated in the third chapter, where Christ promises "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him." John 3:16-17

And by the way, in that same chapter Jesus confirms "But he that doeth the truth cometh to the light, that his works may be made manifest, [h]that they have been wrought in God." John 3:21

That in no way means we are saved by works, but it's plain that Christ expects us to bear fruit, and no that does not mean going to church or posting scripture on a web forum counts as fruit.


Posting these verses again, in case you would care to address what Christ actually said.

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Oldbear83 said:

No one is saying that Paul contradicts Christ.

The error is in ignoring Christ because you are falsely interpreting Paul to serve a different claim than what Christ taught and practiced.

This is, I believe, why you continue to ignore every verse from Christ. Jesus gets in your way.
You are misrepresenting/misunderstanding what is being said. No one is "ignoring" Christ. Frodo is presenting the dispensational view of Jesus' ministry and is approaching Jesus' words in their context. You seem to be unwilling or unable to understand that. What he is saying is completely biblical. It's exactly what the bible is teaching.

Case in point: I asked you about Jesus' own words in Matthew 19 where he clearly says that to get eternal life, you must keep the commandments. You haven't answered that yet. Well, do you believe Jesus' direct words? Is our salvation based on our keeping of the Law? If, rather, you believe that we are NOT saved by our keeping of the Law, then aren't you yourself "ignoring" Christ here? What's your answer to this?
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Oldbear83 said:

Oldbear83 said:

So let's see what the Gospels say about Christ's preaching:

From the very start, Christ's message was not one of bring the Jews to power but one of repentance:

"From that time began Jesus to preach, and to say, Repent ye; for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 4:17

And from the beginning, there were people outside Israel who followed Christ:

"And there followed him great multitudes from Galilee and Decapolis and Jerusalem and Judaea and from beyond the Jordan." Matthew 4:25 (bold emphasis added)

And also from the beginning, Christ preached that we are to do good works:

"Even so let your light shine before men; that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven." Matthew 5:16

"whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." Mark 2:35

"Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Every one that cometh unto me, and heareth my words, and doeth them, I will show you to whom he is like: he is like a man building a house, who dug and went deep, and laid a foundation upon the rock: and when a flood arose, the stream brake against that house, and could not shake it: ]because it had been well built. But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that built a house upon the earth without a foundation; against which the stream brake, and straightway it fell in; and the ruin of that house was great." Luke 6:46-49

And Christ warned that He was there not to ignore sin but to make us mindful that our very thoughts could be sinful:

"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. " Matthew 5:19

See also verses 21-48, where Christ makes it plain that the expectation is "Ye therefore shall be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect." (Matthew 5:48)

Now you, Frodo, have made much about Christ speaking 'only' to the Jews. Well, consider who Jesus singled out for His attention, help and praise:

Matthew 8:1-4 and Mark 1:40-45; Jesus heals a leper while ignoring the multitudes following Him at that moment (you should recall that lepers were outcasts, and observant Jews were not allowed to interact with them, but Christ not only did so, but showed immediate attention to the man).

Matthew 8:5-13 and Luke 7:2-10; A Roman Centurion (by no means a Jew) asked Christ to heal his servant, and when Christ offered to go to his house the Centurion replied he was not worthy but that if Christ said it would be done, he knew it would be done. Christ made a point of praising the faith of the Centurion ("I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel." Luke 7:9), saying "many shall come from the east and the west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 8:11), making absolutely clear that His mission included all.

I'm not even going to go into detail about the Good Samaritan, but seriously, you should think about just why Christ was so specific that a man from a group considered non-Jewish would be commended for loving his neighbor as God intends.

Now you, Frodo, may focus on Matthew 10:5, where Christ directed His disciples to only preach to the Jews (the lost sheep of Israel). But I would hope you understand that at that point those disciples were babies in faith, and for them to speak to Gentiles would be well beyond their scope at that time.

Yet John 1:29 tells us as Christ began his ministry, John the Baptist declared "Behold, the Lamb of God, that ]taketh away the sin of the world!"

Not save the Jews, but the whole world.

This is repeated in the third chapter, where Christ promises "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him." John 3:16-17

And by the way, in that same chapter Jesus confirms "But he that doeth the truth cometh to the light, that his works may be made manifest, [h]that they have been wrought in God." John 3:21

That in no way means we are saved by works, but it's plain that Christ expects us to bear fruit, and no that does not mean going to church or posting scripture on a web forum counts as fruit.


Posting these verses again, in case you would care to address what Christ actually said.




We know what Christ said to the Jews who were under the law. But we need you to do is address what Christ said through Paul to the Gentiles who are under grace.

You obviously didn't listen to the program that I told you to listen to. Because you know that he's going to prove you wrong.

What Christ said to the Jews under law he said to the Jews under law. Do you sacrifice animals for your sins? Well that's what the Bible says now doesn't it?

It wasn't written to you it was written to Jews under law.

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You ducked it again. Christ plainly spoke to ALL, it's there for all to see.


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Oldbear83 said:

You ducked it again. Christ plainly spoke to ALL, it's there for all to see.





Christ told the Jews to keep the Law because He was sent to fulfil God's Promises to Israel. He had to fulfil the law before He could abolish it. After the Cross, He abolished the Law. Did you Sacrifice animals for your sins?
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xfrodobagginsx said:

Oldbear83 said:

You ducked it again. Christ plainly spoke to ALL, it's there for all to see.





Christ told the Jews to keep the Law because He was sent to fulfil God's Promises to Israel. He had to fulfil the law before He could abolish it. After the Cross, He abolished the Law. Did you Sacrifice animals for your sins?
For all your braying, you are still ignoring the quotes from Christ I posted.

Paul is a servant of Christ, not the Christ Himself.

That is why you continue to miss the truth. You worship Paul, even when he says not to do so.
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Oldbear83 said:

xfrodobagginsx said:

Oldbear83 said:

You ducked it again. Christ plainly spoke to ALL, it's there for all to see.





Christ told the Jews to keep the Law because He was sent to fulfil God's Promises to Israel. He had to fulfil the law before He could abolish it. After the Cross, He abolished the Law. Did you Sacrifice animals for your sins?
For all your braying, you are still ignoring the quotes from Christ I posted.

Paul is a servant of Christ, not the Christ Himself.

That is why you continue to miss the truth. You worship Paul, even when he says not to do so.


Paul's Doctrine came directly from Jesus Christ Himself. Paul's Writings are inspired by God Himself. You refuse to answer the question of whether you sacrifice animals because you know that you don't. Jesus ministered to Jews who were still under the Law. Jesus sent Paul to Minister to Gentiles who are now under Grace as the result of Christ's Sacrifice on the cross. I worship Jesus Christ who sent Paul with his inspired message of grace. You would like to think that I worship Paul as an excuse to not believe the message of grace given to him by Jesus. I worship Jesus and I believe the message that Jesus gave to Paul for me. Paul's Writings say that in order to be saved, we have to place our faith in Jesus Christ (not Paul) believing that He died and rose again as a Sacrifice for our sins. It's what JESUS did on the cross that paid COMPLETELY for our sins and to add works to to grace is to nullify grace. The Bible says that we are His workmanship, created UNTO (To do) good works, not because of them. That's the whole point you seem to be missing and dodging.
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Oldbear83 said:

xfrodobagginsx said:

Oldbear83 said:

You ducked it again. Christ plainly spoke to ALL, it's there for all to see.





Christ told the Jews to keep the Law because He was sent to fulfil God's Promises to Israel. He had to fulfil the law before He could abolish it. After the Cross, He abolished the Law. Did you Sacrifice animals for your sins?
For all your braying, you are still ignoring the quotes from Christ I posted.

Paul is a servant of Christ, not the Christ Himself.

That is why you continue to miss the truth. You worship Paul, even when he says not to do so.
. Did you listen to the link yet?
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I will repost it for you. Tell me what he says that is not backed up by the Bible it's self:

The Disciples & Jesus Ministered To Israel, Paul Preached To The Gentiles

25 minutes

https://www.lesfeldick.org/mp3/35-3-
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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

Oldbear83 said:

No one is saying that Paul contradicts Christ.

The error is in ignoring Christ because you are falsely interpreting Paul to serve a different claim than what Christ taught and practiced.

This is, I believe, why you continue to ignore every verse from Christ. Jesus gets in your way.
You are misrepresenting/misunderstanding what is being said. No one is "ignoring" Christ. Frodo is presenting the dispensational view of Jesus' ministry and is approaching Jesus' words in their context. You seem to be unwilling or unable to understand that. What he is saying is completely biblical. It's exactly what the bible is teaching.

Case in point: I asked you about Jesus' own words in Matthew 19 where he clearly says that to get eternal life, you must keep the commandments. You haven't answered that yet. Well, do you believe Jesus' direct words? Is our salvation based on our keeping of the Law? If, rather, you believe that we are NOT saved by our keeping of the Law, then aren't you yourself "ignoring" Christ here? What's your answer to this?
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Thank you so much for your support and understanding. Yes, he is unwilling to even consider any other Biblical argument other than what he wants to be true. He believes 100% like my Catholic friend who does the same thing.

Thanks again
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Paul is not Christ.

Nothing you claim will change that, Frodo.

Be well.
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Oldbear83 said:

Paul is not Christ.

Nothing you claim will change that, Frodo.

Be well.


The inspired Words of Paul ARE the Words of Christ. Nothing YOU can do will change that. You won't listen to the audio because you are afraid to be proven wrong. You won't even consider another view, even if it alignes with Scripture. You care more about your belief system than what is actually true.
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You are trying to replace Christ with Paul.

I simply declined, trusting Christ's words and teaching and examples.

You run from Christ's words when I quoted them, I observe.

Christ died for our sins, not Paul.

The Father said He was "well pleased" when Christ was baptized by John. There is no place where The Father confused Paul for Christ.

Paul never performed the miracles Christ did, Paul never claimed authority under his own name, indeed Paul never once pretended he was Christ's equal, saying he was "the least" of Christians.

Strange how you miss all that, but sure, you found a video which somehow matters more to you than the Gospels.

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Oldbear83 said:

You are trying to replace Christ with Paul.

I simply declined, trusting Christ's words and teaching and examples.

You run from Christ's words when I quoted them, I observe.

Christ died for our sins, not Paul.

The Father said He was "well pleased" when Christ was baptized by John. There is no place where The Father confused Paul for Christ.

Paul never performed the miracles Christ did, Paul never claimed authority under his own name, indeed Paul never once pretended he was Christ's equal, saying he was "the least" of Christians.

Strange how you miss all that, but sure, you found a video which somehow matters more to you than the Gospels.




1) I have not replaced Jesus with Paul

2) You believe I have because you lack understanding and you willfully close your ears to hearing anything that could possibly prove you wrong.

3) I agree that Christ died for our sins not Paul. And Christ revealed the need for the cross through Paul.

4) you just made a reference to John baptizing Christ so now are you putting John in Christ's place? Because that's what you're saying I'm doing with Paul. It's ridiculous and you don't know what you're talking about.

5). Actually Jesus did give Paul the power to perform miracles you obviously haven't read any of Paul's writings. I never said that Paul got his authority from himself I repeatedly said that he got his authority from Christ himself. Learn how to read better.

6) The video explains what I've been saying all along but you are too afraid to look at it. It's only 25 minutes long. I never said that the video was more important than the gospels.

You are doing everything you can to deflect from the fact that you are just unwilling to hear anything that you don't want to believe is true, even if it can be backed up with scripture. It seems that you want to create your own beliefs rather than conform to what scripture tells you.
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