Why Are We in Ukraine?

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trey3216
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The_barBEARian said:

Doc Holliday said:

sombear said:

historian said:

sombear said:

historian said:





We didn't send him $100 billion.

Closer to $200 billion. He claimed $100 billion was missing. So where did it go?

Just as important, whatever the amount why wasn't it audited? For any government expenditure there should be detailed accounting so that we know exactly where all of it went. That's the problem with the fascists wasting our money: there has been almost no accountability. They have been robbing us for decades creating slush funds for all kinds of evils and using our money to tyrannies us.

Trump & Musk are doing something about this so they are heroes. Many of the loudest critics are probably in the take and belong in prison.
[The "missing $100 billion claim is false]

Since the full-scale Russian military invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, the U.S. Congress has passed five Ukraine aid bills totaling $175 billion. Of that, $106 billion is designated for direct support to Ukraine, comprising some $69.8 billion in military aid, $33.3 billion for budget support, and $2.8 billion in humanitarian assistance, as tracked by the Washington, D.C.-based Council on Foreign Relations.

The remaining funds support U.S. activities related to the war in Ukraine, as well as U.S. aid to countries affected by Russia's war in Ukraine. A significant portion of the aid is spent in the U.S., funding factories and workers to produce weapons for Ukraine and replenishing Pentagon stockpiles.

A November 2023 article in The Washington Post broke down the U.S. military aid to Ukraine, reporting that most of it is spent in the U.S., used to build new weapons or replenish U.S. stockpiles, rather than going directly to Ukraine. Nearly 90% of the $68 billion in military assistance benefits American workers, with 117 production lines across 31 states and 71 cities producing weapons for Ukraine.

The Post's findings corroborated earlier estimates by Mark Cancian of the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Strategic and International Studies that much of the U.S. aid for Ukraine is spent domestically.

On Feb. 5, 2025, General Keith Kellogg, President Donald Trump's special envoy for Ukraine and Russia, reaffirmed that the $174 billion of U.S. aid to Ukraine is accounted for and being distributed through a transparent process:

"The United States, the American people, the U.S. citizens have given Ukraine over $174 billion. And we have put inspector generals on the ground in Ukraine and here to track that money. So, we have fairly good reporting on where it's going," Kellogg said on the Newsmax TV channel.
I see, so at a fundamental level it's billions in tax dollars going to the military industrial complex and benefiting solely those workers while we simultaneously can't find funds to benefit domestic hurricane victims.

Where's the audit on how much these weapons manufacturers are charging and are there profit margins through the roof? I'm willing to bet we could have spent 1/5 of the amount we have and these corporations could have still made insanely large net profits.

When tax dollars are being given to a corporation or contractor, there needs to be a limit on the profit margin because it's paid for with tax dollars. Charge whatever you want in the private sector, but not here. Also they should be completely banned from providing campaign funding, insider information or giving kickbacks.



The MIC are the biggest grifters of all... if it costs $2 million to build a missile, they'll charge the tax payer $20 million
says the guy who works for Big Pharma
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trey3216
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Doc Holliday said:

sombear said:

historian said:

sombear said:

historian said:





We didn't send him $100 billion.

Closer to $200 billion. He claimed $100 billion was missing. So where did it go?

Just as important, whatever the amount why wasn't it audited? For any government expenditure there should be detailed accounting so that we know exactly where all of it went. That's the problem with the fascists wasting our money: there has been almost no accountability. They have been robbing us for decades creating slush funds for all kinds of evils and using our money to tyrannies us.

Trump & Musk are doing something about this so they are heroes. Many of the loudest critics are probably in the take and belong in prison.
[The "missing $100 billion claim is false]

Since the full-scale Russian military invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, the U.S. Congress has passed five Ukraine aid bills totaling $175 billion. Of that, $106 billion is designated for direct support to Ukraine, comprising some $69.8 billion in military aid, $33.3 billion for budget support, and $2.8 billion in humanitarian assistance, as tracked by the Washington, D.C.-based Council on Foreign Relations.

The remaining funds support U.S. activities related to the war in Ukraine, as well as U.S. aid to countries affected by Russia's war in Ukraine. A significant portion of the aid is spent in the U.S., funding factories and workers to produce weapons for Ukraine and replenishing Pentagon stockpiles.

A November 2023 article in The Washington Post broke down the U.S. military aid to Ukraine, reporting that most of it is spent in the U.S., used to build new weapons or replenish U.S. stockpiles, rather than going directly to Ukraine. Nearly 90% of the $68 billion in military assistance benefits American workers, with 117 production lines across 31 states and 71 cities producing weapons for Ukraine.

The Post's findings corroborated earlier estimates by Mark Cancian of the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Strategic and International Studies that much of the U.S. aid for Ukraine is spent domestically.

On Feb. 5, 2025, General Keith Kellogg, President Donald Trump's special envoy for Ukraine and Russia, reaffirmed that the $174 billion of U.S. aid to Ukraine is accounted for and being distributed through a transparent process:

"The United States, the American people, the U.S. citizens have given Ukraine over $174 billion. And we have put inspector generals on the ground in Ukraine and here to track that money. So, we have fairly good reporting on where it's going," Kellogg said on the Newsmax TV channel.
I see, so at a fundamental level it's billions in tax dollars going to the military industrial complex and benefiting solely those workers while we simultaneously can't find funds to benefit domestic hurricane victims.

Where's the audit on how much these weapons manufacturers are charging and are there profit margins through the roof? I'm willing to bet we could have spent 1/5 of the amount we have and these corporations could have still made insanely large net profits.

When tax dollars are being given to a corporation or contractor, there needs to be a limit on the profit margin because it's paid for with tax dollars. Charge whatever you want in the private sector, but not here. Also they should be completely banned from providing campaign funding, insider information or giving kickbacks.




Any wage paid a person Doesn't only affect that person. And your 401k waves at you laughingly.
Mr. Treehorn treats objects like women, man.
ron.reagan
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Trump and Vance have proven to be weaker leaders than I imagine. All that money sent to Ukraine is now a total waste. We could have easily withdrawn financing and made Europe step up. Instead we continue to fund Ukraine while sabotaging the war effort.
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ron.reagan said:

Trump and Vance have proven to be weaker leaders than I imagine. All that money sent to Ukraine is now a total waste. We could have easily withdrawn financing and made Europe step up. Instead we continue to fund Ukraine while sabotaging the war effort.
Putin and Biden started a war Ukraine couldn't win unless the US got involved directly with naval units and a no fly zone. As even Biden's defense dept knew US troops on the ground would have been an eye opening disaster.

You weren't willing to fight ( rear echlon types rarely are ), but were thrilled to play RAMBO safely on the internet. And there were millions of Americans just like you.

So they passively allowed Biden to give away billions of dollars to one of the most corrupt countries on earth, in place of enlisting and risking their collective asses. As if money alone could win the most deadly European ground war since WW2.

Now hundreds of thousands of innocent Ukranians and Russians are dead.....for nothing.

Trump hopefully will find a way to stop this senseless killing.

And with peace established reduce our military budget, and along with other speding cuts......get our deficit under control before it totally destroys our economy.
FLBear5630
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Doc Holliday said:




So, how do you read that?

5 years to get to an 8% annual reduction

or

8% annual reduction per year for 5 years (40% total)
KaiBear
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FLBear5630 said:

Doc Holliday said:




So, how do you read that?

5 years to get to an 8% annual reduction

or

8% annual reduction per year for 5 years (40% total)
Until China stops massively building up their military.....8 % is the more prudent option.

If China makes a 'deal' with Trump.....40% is certainly needed.
Redbrickbear
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KaiBear said:

ron.reagan said:

Trump and Vance have proven to be weaker leaders than I imagine. All that money sent to Ukraine is now a total waste. We could have easily withdrawn financing and made Europe step up. Instead we continue to fund Ukraine while sabotaging the war effort.
Putin and Biden started a war Ukraine couldn't win unless the US got involved directly with naval units and a no fly zone. As even Biden's defense dept knew US troops on the ground would have been an eye opening disaster.





Exactly

Heck the war could probably not be won without direct US-NATO group troops

And they knew that from the start
FLBear5630
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KaiBear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Doc Holliday said:




So, how do you read that?

5 years to get to an 8% annual reduction

or

8% annual reduction per year for 5 years (40% total)
Until China stops massively building up their military.....8 % is the more prudent option.

If China makes a 'deal' with Trump.....40% is certainly needed.
Agree, 100%. With China out there and the size of the Pacific, 8% is reasonable. Also, liked his committment to more ships. Any war with China will be Navy and Air Force focused. A lot of water and coastline...
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ron.reagan said:

Trump and Vance have proven to be weaker leaders than I imagine. All that money sent to Ukraine is now a total waste. We could have easily withdrawn financing and made Europe step up. Instead we continue to fund Ukraine while sabotaging the war effort.


How was the money spent in Ukraine ever not going to be a total waste when it was given as aid and not a loan to be repaid?

Did we ever receive a return on the billions spent nation building in Iraq and Afghanistan?

No... instead we saw our national debt go parabolic and inflation cut the value of our savings in half and we all became irrevocably poorer.
Doc Holliday
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FLBear5630 said:

Doc Holliday said:




So, how do you read that?

5 years to get to an 8% annual reduction

or

8% annual reduction per year for 5 years (40% total)
8% annual. Should equate to $56B
ron.reagan
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KaiBear said:

ron.reagan said:

Trump and Vance have proven to be weaker leaders than I imagine. All that money sent to Ukraine is now a total waste. We could have easily withdrawn financing and made Europe step up. Instead we continue to fund Ukraine while sabotaging the war effort.
Putin and Biden started a war Ukraine couldn't win unless the US got involved directly with naval units and a no fly zone. As even Biden's defense dept knew US troops on the ground would have been an eye opening disaster.

You weren't willing to fight ( rear echlon types rarely are ), but were thrilled to play RAMBO safely on the internet. And there were millions of Americans just like you.

So they passively allowed Biden to give away billions of dollars to one of the most corrupt countries on earth. As if money alone could win the most deadly European ground war since WW2.

Now hundreds of thousands of innocent Ukranians and Russians are dead.....for nothing.

Trump hopefully will find a way to stop this senseless killing.

And with peace established reduce our military budget, and along with other speding cuts......get our deficit under control before it totally destroys our economy.

Imagine being such a ****** you only want to fund wars you personally fight in. It is no wonder you have to live on the poor side of Wyoming
KaiBear
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ron.reagan said:

KaiBear said:

ron.reagan said:

Trump and Vance have proven to be weaker leaders than I imagine. All that money sent to Ukraine is now a total waste. We could have easily withdrawn financing and made Europe step up. Instead we continue to fund Ukraine while sabotaging the war effort.
Putin and Biden started a war Ukraine couldn't win unless the US got involved directly with naval units and a no fly zone. As even Biden's defense dept knew US troops on the ground would have been an eye opening disaster.

You weren't willing to fight ( rear echlon types rarely are ), but were thrilled to play RAMBO safely on the internet. And there were millions of Americans just like you.

So they passively allowed Biden to give away billions of dollars to one of the most corrupt countries on earth. As if money alone could win the most deadly European ground war since WW2.

Now hundreds of thousands of innocent Ukranians and Russians are dead.....for nothing.

Trump hopefully will find a way to stop this senseless killing.

And with peace established reduce our military budget, and along with other speding cuts......get our deficit under control before it totally destroys our economy.

Imagine being such a ****** you only want to fund wars you personally fight in. It is no wonder you have to live on the poor side of Wyoming
LOL

You go back and forth..

During one of your ' 5 drinking days' each week....I am poor, living in Wyoming.

On the other two non drinking days I am 'rich'.

However, all 7 days a week you make no sense. Limited to your childish one liners.

Better make your next drink a double.
The_barBEARian
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trey3216 said:

Doc Holliday said:

sombear said:

historian said:

sombear said:

historian said:





We didn't send him $100 billion.

Closer to $200 billion. He claimed $100 billion was missing. So where did it go?

Just as important, whatever the amount why wasn't it audited? For any government expenditure there should be detailed accounting so that we know exactly where all of it went. That's the problem with the fascists wasting our money: there has been almost no accountability. They have been robbing us for decades creating slush funds for all kinds of evils and using our money to tyrannies us.

Trump & Musk are doing something about this so they are heroes. Many of the loudest critics are probably in the take and belong in prison.
[The "missing $100 billion claim is false]

Since the full-scale Russian military invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, the U.S. Congress has passed five Ukraine aid bills totaling $175 billion. Of that, $106 billion is designated for direct support to Ukraine, comprising some $69.8 billion in military aid, $33.3 billion for budget support, and $2.8 billion in humanitarian assistance, as tracked by the Washington, D.C.-based Council on Foreign Relations.

The remaining funds support U.S. activities related to the war in Ukraine, as well as U.S. aid to countries affected by Russia's war in Ukraine. A significant portion of the aid is spent in the U.S., funding factories and workers to produce weapons for Ukraine and replenishing Pentagon stockpiles.

A November 2023 article in The Washington Post broke down the U.S. military aid to Ukraine, reporting that most of it is spent in the U.S., used to build new weapons or replenish U.S. stockpiles, rather than going directly to Ukraine. Nearly 90% of the $68 billion in military assistance benefits American workers, with 117 production lines across 31 states and 71 cities producing weapons for Ukraine.

The Post's findings corroborated earlier estimates by Mark Cancian of the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Strategic and International Studies that much of the U.S. aid for Ukraine is spent domestically.

On Feb. 5, 2025, General Keith Kellogg, President Donald Trump's special envoy for Ukraine and Russia, reaffirmed that the $174 billion of U.S. aid to Ukraine is accounted for and being distributed through a transparent process:

"The United States, the American people, the U.S. citizens have given Ukraine over $174 billion. And we have put inspector generals on the ground in Ukraine and here to track that money. So, we have fairly good reporting on where it's going," Kellogg said on the Newsmax TV channel.
I see, so at a fundamental level it's billions in tax dollars going to the military industrial complex and benefiting solely those workers while we simultaneously can't find funds to benefit domestic hurricane victims.

Where's the audit on how much these weapons manufacturers are charging and are there profit margins through the roof? I'm willing to bet we could have spent 1/5 of the amount we have and these corporations could have still made insanely large net profits.

When tax dollars are being given to a corporation or contractor, there needs to be a limit on the profit margin because it's paid for with tax dollars. Charge whatever you want in the private sector, but not here. Also they should be completely banned from providing campaign funding, insider information or giving kickbacks.




Any wage paid a person Doesn't only affect that person. And your 401k waves at you laughingly.

When Martin Shkreli raised the price Medicare and Medicaid pay for Daraprim from $13 to $750 he was just stimulating the economy!

ron.reagan
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KaiBear said:

ron.reagan said:

KaiBear said:

ron.reagan said:

Trump and Vance have proven to be weaker leaders than I imagine. All that money sent to Ukraine is now a total waste. We could have easily withdrawn financing and made Europe step up. Instead we continue to fund Ukraine while sabotaging the war effort.
Putin and Biden started a war Ukraine couldn't win unless the US got involved directly with naval units and a no fly zone. As even Biden's defense dept knew US troops on the ground would have been an eye opening disaster.

You weren't willing to fight ( rear echlon types rarely are ), but were thrilled to play RAMBO safely on the internet. And there were millions of Americans just like you.

So they passively allowed Biden to give away billions of dollars to one of the most corrupt countries on earth. As if money alone could win the most deadly European ground war since WW2.

Now hundreds of thousands of innocent Ukranians and Russians are dead.....for nothing.

Trump hopefully will find a way to stop this senseless killing.

And with peace established reduce our military budget, and along with other speding cuts......get our deficit under control before it totally destroys our economy.

Imagine being such a ****** you only want to fund wars you personally fight in. It is no wonder you have to live on the poor side of Wyoming
I am poor, living in Wyoming.


That is the only thing I understood and I agree
KaiBear
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ron.reagan said:

KaiBear said:

ron.reagan said:

KaiBear said:

ron.reagan said:

Trump and Vance have proven to be weaker leaders than I imagine. All that money sent to Ukraine is now a total waste. We could have easily withdrawn financing and made Europe step up. Instead we continue to fund Ukraine while sabotaging the war effort.
Putin and Biden started a war Ukraine couldn't win unless the US got involved directly with naval units and a no fly zone. As even Biden's defense dept knew US troops on the ground would have been an eye opening disaster.

You weren't willing to fight ( rear echlon types rarely are ), but were thrilled to play RAMBO safely on the internet. And there were millions of Americans just like you.

So they passively allowed Biden to give away billions of dollars to one of the most corrupt countries on earth. As if money alone could win the most deadly European ground war since WW2.

Now hundreds of thousands of innocent Ukranians and Russians are dead.....for nothing.

Trump hopefully will find a way to stop this senseless killing.

And with peace established reduce our military budget, and along with other speding cuts......get our deficit under control before it totally destroys our economy.

Imagine being such a ****** you only want to fund wars you personally fight in. It is no wonder you have to live on the poor side of Wyoming
I am poor, living in Wyoming.


That is the only thing I understood and I agree
LOL

You need to break your little piggy bank and invest in better booze.

As you comments are getting ever more ridiculous.
Redbrickbear
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ron.reagan said:

KaiBear said:

ron.reagan said:

Trump and Vance have proven to be weaker leaders than I imagine. All that money sent to Ukraine is now a total waste. We could have easily withdrawn financing and made Europe step up. Instead we continue to fund Ukraine while sabotaging the war effort.
Putin and Biden started a war Ukraine couldn't win unless the US got involved directly with naval units and a no fly zone. As even Biden's defense dept knew US troops on the ground would have been an eye opening disaster.

You weren't willing to fight ( rear echlon types rarely are ), but were thrilled to play RAMBO safely on the internet. And there were millions of Americans just like you.

So they passively allowed Biden to give away billions of dollars to one of the most corrupt countries on earth. As if money alone could win the most deadly European ground war since WW2.

Now hundreds of thousands of innocent Ukranians and Russians are dead.....for nothing.

Trump hopefully will find a way to stop this senseless killing.

And with peace established reduce our military budget, and along with other speding cuts......get our deficit under control before it totally destroys our economy.

Imagine being such a ****** you only want to fund wars you personally fight in.

How about only fund wars we personally have an interest in?

Can't we all get behind that good idea....

There is currently a war going on in the Congo right now.

Rwanda literally invaded Congo to support rebels

Somehow the USA managed to not get involved with funding that war.

Do you want us in that one as well?

[A conflict began between the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Rwanda in 2022 after Rwandan forces entered the country to provide military support to the March 23 Movement (M23) rebel group]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo%E2%80%93Rwanda_conflict
trey3216
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The_barBEARian said:

trey3216 said:

Doc Holliday said:

sombear said:

historian said:

sombear said:

historian said:





We didn't send him $100 billion.

Closer to $200 billion. He claimed $100 billion was missing. So where did it go?

Just as important, whatever the amount why wasn't it audited? For any government expenditure there should be detailed accounting so that we know exactly where all of it went. That's the problem with the fascists wasting our money: there has been almost no accountability. They have been robbing us for decades creating slush funds for all kinds of evils and using our money to tyrannies us.

Trump & Musk are doing something about this so they are heroes. Many of the loudest critics are probably in the take and belong in prison.
[The "missing $100 billion claim is false]

Since the full-scale Russian military invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, the U.S. Congress has passed five Ukraine aid bills totaling $175 billion. Of that, $106 billion is designated for direct support to Ukraine, comprising some $69.8 billion in military aid, $33.3 billion for budget support, and $2.8 billion in humanitarian assistance, as tracked by the Washington, D.C.-based Council on Foreign Relations.

The remaining funds support U.S. activities related to the war in Ukraine, as well as U.S. aid to countries affected by Russia's war in Ukraine. A significant portion of the aid is spent in the U.S., funding factories and workers to produce weapons for Ukraine and replenishing Pentagon stockpiles.

A November 2023 article in The Washington Post broke down the U.S. military aid to Ukraine, reporting that most of it is spent in the U.S., used to build new weapons or replenish U.S. stockpiles, rather than going directly to Ukraine. Nearly 90% of the $68 billion in military assistance benefits American workers, with 117 production lines across 31 states and 71 cities producing weapons for Ukraine.

The Post's findings corroborated earlier estimates by Mark Cancian of the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Strategic and International Studies that much of the U.S. aid for Ukraine is spent domestically.

On Feb. 5, 2025, General Keith Kellogg, President Donald Trump's special envoy for Ukraine and Russia, reaffirmed that the $174 billion of U.S. aid to Ukraine is accounted for and being distributed through a transparent process:

"The United States, the American people, the U.S. citizens have given Ukraine over $174 billion. And we have put inspector generals on the ground in Ukraine and here to track that money. So, we have fairly good reporting on where it's going," Kellogg said on the Newsmax TV channel.
I see, so at a fundamental level it's billions in tax dollars going to the military industrial complex and benefiting solely those workers while we simultaneously can't find funds to benefit domestic hurricane victims.

Where's the audit on how much these weapons manufacturers are charging and are there profit margins through the roof? I'm willing to bet we could have spent 1/5 of the amount we have and these corporations could have still made insanely large net profits.

When tax dollars are being given to a corporation or contractor, there needs to be a limit on the profit margin because it's paid for with tax dollars. Charge whatever you want in the private sector, but not here. Also they should be completely banned from providing campaign funding, insider information or giving kickbacks.




Any wage paid a person Doesn't only affect that person. And your 401k waves at you laughingly.

When Martin Shkreli raised the price Medicare and Medicaid pay for Daraprim from $13 to $750 he was just stimulating the economy!


Mr. Treehorn treats objects like women, man.
ron.reagan
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Redbrickbear said:

ron.reagan said:

KaiBear said:

ron.reagan said:

Trump and Vance have proven to be weaker leaders than I imagine. All that money sent to Ukraine is now a total waste. We could have easily withdrawn financing and made Europe step up. Instead we continue to fund Ukraine while sabotaging the war effort.
Putin and Biden started a war Ukraine couldn't win unless the US got involved directly with naval units and a no fly zone. As even Biden's defense dept knew US troops on the ground would have been an eye opening disaster.

You weren't willing to fight ( rear echlon types rarely are ), but were thrilled to play RAMBO safely on the internet. And there were millions of Americans just like you.

So they passively allowed Biden to give away billions of dollars to one of the most corrupt countries on earth. As if money alone could win the most deadly European ground war since WW2.

Now hundreds of thousands of innocent Ukranians and Russians are dead.....for nothing.

Trump hopefully will find a way to stop this senseless killing.

And with peace established reduce our military budget, and along with other speding cuts......get our deficit under control before it totally destroys our economy.

Imagine being such a ****** you only want to fund wars you personally fight in.

How about only fund wars we personally have an interest in?

Can't we all get behind that good idea....

There is currently a war going on in the Congo right now.

Rwanda literally invaded Congo to support rebels

Somehow the USA managed to not get involved with funding that war.

Do you want us in that one as well?

[A conflict began between the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Rwanda in 2022 after Rwandan forces entered the country to provide military support to the March 23 Movement (M23) rebel group]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo%E2%80%93Rwanda_conflict
No one has more of a personal interest than you, comrade
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ron.reagan said:

Redbrickbear said:

ron.reagan said:

KaiBear said:

ron.reagan said:

Trump and Vance have proven to be weaker leaders than I imagine. All that money sent to Ukraine is now a total waste. We could have easily withdrawn financing and made Europe step up. Instead we continue to fund Ukraine while sabotaging the war effort.
Putin and Biden started a war Ukraine couldn't win unless the US got involved directly with naval units and a no fly zone. As even Biden's defense dept knew US troops on the ground would have been an eye opening disaster.

You weren't willing to fight ( rear echlon types rarely are ), but were thrilled to play RAMBO safely on the internet. And there were millions of Americans just like you.

So they passively allowed Biden to give away billions of dollars to one of the most corrupt countries on earth. As if money alone could win the most deadly European ground war since WW2.

Now hundreds of thousands of innocent Ukranians and Russians are dead.....for nothing.

Trump hopefully will find a way to stop this senseless killing.

And with peace established reduce our military budget, and along with other speding cuts......get our deficit under control before it totally destroys our economy.

Imagine being such a ****** you only want to fund wars you personally fight in.

How about only fund wars we personally have an interest in?

Can't we all get behind that good idea....

There is currently a war going on in the Congo right now.

Rwanda literally invaded Congo to support rebels

Somehow the USA managed to not get involved with funding that war.

Do you want us in that one as well?

[A conflict began between the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Rwanda in 2022 after Rwandan forces entered the country to provide military support to the March 23 Movement (M23) rebel group]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo%E2%80%93Rwanda_conflict
No one has more of a personal interest than you, comrade


When will you be headed over to fight in the Donbas Mr. boomer?

Stop rooting on a war that your fat cowardly liberal butt won't be fighting in
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ron.reagan
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Redbrickbear said:

ron.reagan said:

Redbrickbear said:

ron.reagan said:

KaiBear said:

ron.reagan said:

Trump and Vance have proven to be weaker leaders than I imagine. All that money sent to Ukraine is now a total waste. We could have easily withdrawn financing and made Europe step up. Instead we continue to fund Ukraine while sabotaging the war effort.
Putin and Biden started a war Ukraine couldn't win unless the US got involved directly with naval units and a no fly zone. As even Biden's defense dept knew US troops on the ground would have been an eye opening disaster.

You weren't willing to fight ( rear echlon types rarely are ), but were thrilled to play RAMBO safely on the internet. And there were millions of Americans just like you.

So they passively allowed Biden to give away billions of dollars to one of the most corrupt countries on earth. As if money alone could win the most deadly European ground war since WW2.

Now hundreds of thousands of innocent Ukranians and Russians are dead.....for nothing.

Trump hopefully will find a way to stop this senseless killing.

And with peace established reduce our military budget, and along with other speding cuts......get our deficit under control before it totally destroys our economy.

Imagine being such a ****** you only want to fund wars you personally fight in.

How about only fund wars we personally have an interest in?

Can't we all get behind that good idea....

There is currently a war going on in the Congo right now.

Rwanda literally invaded Congo to support rebels

Somehow the USA managed to not get involved with funding that war.

Do you want us in that one as well?

[A conflict began between the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Rwanda in 2022 after Rwandan forces entered the country to provide military support to the March 23 Movement (M23) rebel group]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo%E2%80%93Rwanda_conflict
No one has more of a personal interest than you, comrade


When will you be headed over to fight in the Donbas Mr. boomer?

Stop rooting on a war that your fat cowardly liberal butt won't be fighting in
I'm sorry to tell you this but if the US did go to war with you it would be over before I had a chance to leave the house. Russia can't even get back Russia.
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Assassin said:


lmao, as if we don't do that here
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ron.reagan said:

Assassin said:


lmao, as if we don't do that here
Starting to see why most people here call you a troll. Nothing much to say so you just throw a random line out there and see who will bite...
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Assassin said:


yeah, that tweet looks like a bunch of jumbled stories cobbled together to make it look like what it's not.
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ron.reagan said:

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ron.reagan said:

Trump and Vance have proven to be weaker leaders than I imagine. All that money sent to Ukraine is now a total waste. We could have easily withdrawn financing and made Europe step up. Instead we continue to fund Ukraine while sabotaging the war effort.
Putin and Biden started a war Ukraine couldn't win unless the US got involved directly with naval units and a no fly zone. As even Biden's defense dept knew US troops on the ground would have been an eye opening disaster.

You weren't willing to fight ( rear echlon types rarely are ), but were thrilled to play RAMBO safely on the internet. And there were millions of Americans just like you.

So they passively allowed Biden to give away billions of dollars to one of the most corrupt countries on earth. As if money alone could win the most deadly European ground war since WW2.

Now hundreds of thousands of innocent Ukranians and Russians are dead.....for nothing.

Trump hopefully will find a way to stop this senseless killing.

And with peace established reduce our military budget, and along with other speding cuts......get our deficit under control before it totally destroys our economy.

Imagine being such a ****** you only want to fund wars you personally fight in.

How about only fund wars we personally have an interest in?

Can't we all get behind that good idea....

There is currently a war going on in the Congo right now.

Rwanda literally invaded Congo to support rebels

Somehow the USA managed to not get involved with funding that war.

Do you want us in that one as well?

[A conflict began between the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Rwanda in 2022 after Rwandan forces entered the country to provide military support to the March 23 Movement (M23) rebel group]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo%E2%80%93Rwanda_conflict
No one has more of a personal interest than you, comrade


When will you be headed over to fight in the Donbas Mr. boomer?

Stop rooting on a war that your fat cowardly liberal butt won't be fighting in
I'm sorry to tell you this but if the US did go to war with you it would be over before I had a chance to leave the house..


lol the U.S. is going to go to war with U.S. citizens?

My family has been here since the late 1600s you demented bat

We fought at battles of Cowpens and San Jacinto
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Assassin said:

ron.reagan said:

Assassin said:


lmao, as if we don't do that here
Starting to see why most people here call you a troll. Nothing much to say so you just throw a random line out there and see who will bite...
A random line? Unless you are 14 years old I don't understand how you haven't heard about our organ harvesting issues. Perhaps stop using twitter for your source of information
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The_barBEARian said:

trey3216 said:

Doc Holliday said:

sombear said:

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historian said:





We didn't send him $100 billion.

Closer to $200 billion. He claimed $100 billion was missing. So where did it go?

Just as important, whatever the amount why wasn't it audited? For any government expenditure there should be detailed accounting so that we know exactly where all of it went. That's the problem with the fascists wasting our money: there has been almost no accountability. They have been robbing us for decades creating slush funds for all kinds of evils and using our money to tyrannies us.

Trump & Musk are doing something about this so they are heroes. Many of the loudest critics are probably in the take and belong in prison.
[The "missing $100 billion claim is false]

Since the full-scale Russian military invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, the U.S. Congress has passed five Ukraine aid bills totaling $175 billion. Of that, $106 billion is designated for direct support to Ukraine, comprising some $69.8 billion in military aid, $33.3 billion for budget support, and $2.8 billion in humanitarian assistance, as tracked by the Washington, D.C.-based Council on Foreign Relations.

The remaining funds support U.S. activities related to the war in Ukraine, as well as U.S. aid to countries affected by Russia's war in Ukraine. A significant portion of the aid is spent in the U.S., funding factories and workers to produce weapons for Ukraine and replenishing Pentagon stockpiles.

A November 2023 article in The Washington Post broke down the U.S. military aid to Ukraine, reporting that most of it is spent in the U.S., used to build new weapons or replenish U.S. stockpiles, rather than going directly to Ukraine. Nearly 90% of the $68 billion in military assistance benefits American workers, with 117 production lines across 31 states and 71 cities producing weapons for Ukraine.

The Post's findings corroborated earlier estimates by Mark Cancian of the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Strategic and International Studies that much of the U.S. aid for Ukraine is spent domestically.

On Feb. 5, 2025, General Keith Kellogg, President Donald Trump's special envoy for Ukraine and Russia, reaffirmed that the $174 billion of U.S. aid to Ukraine is accounted for and being distributed through a transparent process:

"The United States, the American people, the U.S. citizens have given Ukraine over $174 billion. And we have put inspector generals on the ground in Ukraine and here to track that money. So, we have fairly good reporting on where it's going," Kellogg said on the Newsmax TV channel.
I see, so at a fundamental level it's billions in tax dollars going to the military industrial complex and benefiting solely those workers while we simultaneously can't find funds to benefit domestic hurricane victims.

Where's the audit on how much these weapons manufacturers are charging and are there profit margins through the roof? I'm willing to bet we could have spent 1/5 of the amount we have and these corporations could have still made insanely large net profits.

When tax dollars are being given to a corporation or contractor, there needs to be a limit on the profit margin because it's paid for with tax dollars. Charge whatever you want in the private sector, but not here. Also they should be completely banned from providing campaign funding, insider information or giving kickbacks.




Any wage paid a person Doesn't only affect that person. And your 401k waves at you laughingly.

When Martin Shkreli raised the price Medicare and Medicaid pay for Daraprim from $13 to $750 he was just stimulating the economy!



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trey3216 said:

Doc Holliday said:

sombear said:

historian said:

sombear said:

historian said:





We didn't send him $100 billion.

Closer to $200 billion. He claimed $100 billion was missing. So where did it go?

Just as important, whatever the amount why wasn't it audited? For any government expenditure there should be detailed accounting so that we know exactly where all of it went. That's the problem with the fascists wasting our money: there has been almost no accountability. They have been robbing us for decades creating slush funds for all kinds of evils and using our money to tyrannies us.

Trump & Musk are doing something about this so they are heroes. Many of the loudest critics are probably in the take and belong in prison.
[The "missing $100 billion claim is false]

Since the full-scale Russian military invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, the U.S. Congress has passed five Ukraine aid bills totaling $175 billion. Of that, $106 billion is designated for direct support to Ukraine, comprising some $69.8 billion in military aid, $33.3 billion for budget support, and $2.8 billion in humanitarian assistance, as tracked by the Washington, D.C.-based Council on Foreign Relations.

The remaining funds support U.S. activities related to the war in Ukraine, as well as U.S. aid to countries affected by Russia's war in Ukraine. A significant portion of the aid is spent in the U.S., funding factories and workers to produce weapons for Ukraine and replenishing Pentagon stockpiles.

A November 2023 article in The Washington Post broke down the U.S. military aid to Ukraine, reporting that most of it is spent in the U.S., used to build new weapons or replenish U.S. stockpiles, rather than going directly to Ukraine. Nearly 90% of the $68 billion in military assistance benefits American workers, with 117 production lines across 31 states and 71 cities producing weapons for Ukraine.

The Post's findings corroborated earlier estimates by Mark Cancian of the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Strategic and International Studies that much of the U.S. aid for Ukraine is spent domestically.

On Feb. 5, 2025, General Keith Kellogg, President Donald Trump's special envoy for Ukraine and Russia, reaffirmed that the $174 billion of U.S. aid to Ukraine is accounted for and being distributed through a transparent process:

"The United States, the American people, the U.S. citizens have given Ukraine over $174 billion. And we have put inspector generals on the ground in Ukraine and here to track that money. So, we have fairly good reporting on where it's going," Kellogg said on the Newsmax TV channel.
I see, so at a fundamental level it's billions in tax dollars going to the military industrial complex and benefiting solely those workers while we simultaneously can't find funds to benefit domestic hurricane victims.

Where's the audit on how much these weapons manufacturers are charging and are there profit margins through the roof? I'm willing to bet we could have spent 1/5 of the amount we have and these corporations could have still made insanely large net profits.

When tax dollars are being given to a corporation or contractor, there needs to be a limit on the profit margin because it's paid for with tax dollars. Charge whatever you want in the private sector, but not here. Also they should be completely banned from providing campaign funding, insider information or giving kickbacks.




Any wage paid a person Doesn't only affect that person. And your 401k waves at you laughingly.
Tax dollars given to corporations entices corporations to buy off politicians to continue taking in tax dollars.

401k won't mean anything if the dollar ain't worth sh*t
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riflebear said:


If you aren't intelligent enough to realize why a president would publicly demand more weapons while his country is getting demolished you are going to have a hard time in international diplomacy. He initially got helmets, thoughts and prayers from Europe until he escalated the rhetoric.
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ron.reagan said:





Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.
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KaiBear said:

ron.reagan said:





Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.
Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email
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