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Vance lays it out perfectly. Ukraine doesn't have a pathway to victory.

If your goal is to send Ukrainians to die in order to weaken Russia, that is evil. That is the neocon mindset. Hundreds of thousands of men dying has created countless fatherless homes and will have a major negative impact for generations.

It's anti Christian to use their death as a means to seek our desires against Russia. Peace, diplomacy and red lines are the way.

In this thread I'll respond to some of what I've seen out there. Let's start with Niall:

1) On the general background, yes, you have been more right than wrong on a lot of the details of the conflict. Which is why I'm surprised to hear you call the administration's posture… https://t.co/w7OQemI3R7

— JD Vance (@JDVance) February 21, 2025

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Yea, Ukraine never had a path to victory that did not include US-NATO ground troops

(something Obama and Biden said they would not do)

Not even certain that Russia has been all that weakened....Russia is of course replacing what they lost with new equipment.

[IISS assessed that Russia refurbished and built over 1,500 tanks and 2,800 IFVs and APCs in 2024 suggesting that Russia produced enough vehicles to replace all of IISS's estimated tank losses and three quarters of IISS's assessed Russian armored vehicle losses in 2024.]

And even it that is the case...its strengthen China that is the problem.

It gives the Communists in Beijing a resource rich country that is isolated and totally dependent on them.

That is a geo-strategic disaster for the West

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LOL you do not understand what you're reading.

"refurbishing" is largely "pulling WWII and Soviet-era tanks out of mothballs" and that effort has come at the expense of building any significant numbers of new tanks.
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And they are spending a lot to replace it….no doubt

But they do seem to be replacing that lost equipment with new equipment.

And are turning the economy into a military industrial centric one….[Russia: in 2024 it will spend 30% of State expenditures on rebuilding or replacing lost military equipment.]

So they are opening lots of new factories specializing in military hardware

So they are getting rid of 1970s and 80s old Soviet stuff and now getting stuff made in 2024-2025 modern equipment

That does not seem to be "weakening them"

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Ukraine Never Should Have Made the Mistake of Getting Invaded

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Putin should not have invaded. But he did.
Not just true, but the most important truth of all. RUSSIA started all of this.

Biden should not have openly assured the Ukraine that they could join Nato. But he did.
False. Refusing to categorically reject the idea is not synonymous with "assuring" membership.

So what exactly do you want the US to do? Will you send your sons/daughters to go fight for the Ukraine? Or do you just want to send our tax dollars? And to what end and how long?
Support others who are willing to fight, for as long as they are willing to fight, up to and including supporting any future insurgency against a victorious Russia (which we most definitely will do, should such happen).

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It is amazing how hard people work to ignore very elementary geo-strategic realities: Ukraine is a sovereign country which was invaded by Russia without any cause whatsoever, an act which was a significant threat to Nato, an alliance to which we are a member. Russia committed an act of war; Ukraine did not. Nato is significantly more threatened by Russian actions than Russia than vice-versa.

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You're wrong. Biden did in fact assure them that they could join nato.

As for the rest of your comments, I have no problem with Ukraine continuing to fight.
So how much taxpayer money are you willing to just give away so Ukraine can bleed Russia. 100 billion per year? 200 billion? Just curious.

Personally, I think Europe should foot much of the bill. I also think that if we are going to fund/arm them in huge amounts, getting some favors/pay/guarantees in return for America would be reasonable. So I don't disagree entirely with you. There is value in bleeding Russia, but I wouldn't want to incentivize millions of deaths to do it. So if they want to continue to fight, let's sell them weapons and intelligence, but shelling out unlimited cash clearly makes it very easy for the Ukrainian oligarchs to keep killing off their own people without any personal sacrifice.

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Show your work here.

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You have google, it's quite easily found in the public domain. And two months later after Biden assured them it was up to the Ukraine to join or not, Russia invaded.

Yeah, I know ... Russia was always going to invade, blah blah blah. That conversation had nothing to do with it, blah blah blah.

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Didn't find it on Google. Furthermore, you didn't say "it was up to Ukraine". You said Biden assured them they could join. Everyone knows that "up to Ukraine" goes back to all the required changes necessary to qualify, as well as a vote by the members. You guys are playing fast and loose with the truth. It's getting old.

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Biden said it's up to Ukraine, so that means if Ukraine wants in, they can join. You want to make that some huge obstacle and hoops they'd have to jump through. Whatever you want to pretend, Clearly it's an invitation. So yeah, it's not fast and loose with what he said, you're just being obtuse.

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Wrong. You apparently don't understand what the NATO admission process is. This is why we get all jacked up over framed conspiracies about this war. If someone believes we have no geopolitical or strategic interest in Ukraine, fine, that's a debate. But when the President of the U.S. has to walk back blaming Ukraine for starting the war, and you guys hounding on facts not in existence, it looks like we are so blinded by politics we aren't willing to deal in reality.

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Wrong. Up to Ukraine. The most powerful leader in the world laid it in Ukraine's hands to join. So there's an admission process. So what? Biden should have said it's off the table. You know this but you want to remain obtuse to fit your narrative. You think Biden giving them the green light was just going to slide by Putin? Silly and childish.

And I'm not blaming Ukraine for starting the war. Only that joining NATO was a no-go previously. Biden green lit it as do-able, and Russia invaded two months later. Biden screwed this up, like he did everything else. Blood is on his hands because the outcome was predictable. All Putin needed was an excuse.

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ATL Bear said:

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whiterock said:

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Ukraine Never Should Have Made the Mistake of Getting Invaded

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Putin should not have invaded. But he did.
Not just true, but the most important truth of all. RUSSIA started all of this.

Biden should not have openly assured the Ukraine that they could join Nato. But he did.
False. Refusing to categorically reject the idea is not synonymous with "assuring" membership.

So what exactly do you want the US to do? Will you send your sons/daughters to go fight for the Ukraine? Or do you just want to send our tax dollars? And to what end and how long?
Support others who are willing to fight, for as long as they are willing to fight, up to and including supporting any future insurgency against a victorious Russia (which we most definitely will do, should such happen).

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It is amazing how hard people work to ignore very elementary geo-strategic realities: Ukraine is a sovereign country which was invaded by Russia without any cause whatsoever, an act which was a significant threat to Nato, an alliance to which we are a member. Russia committed an act of war; Ukraine did not. Nato is significantly more threatened by Russian actions than Russia than vice-versa.

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You're wrong. Biden did in fact assure them that they could join nato.

As for the rest of your comments, I have no problem with Ukraine continuing to fight.
So how much taxpayer money are you willing to just give away so Ukraine can bleed Russia. 100 billion per year? 200 billion? Just curious.

Personally, I think Europe should foot much of the bill. I also think that if we are going to fund/arm them in huge amounts, getting some favors/pay/guarantees in return for America would be reasonable. So I don't disagree entirely with you. There is value in bleeding Russia, but I wouldn't want to incentivize millions of deaths to do it. So if they want to continue to fight, let's sell them weapons and intelligence, but shelling out unlimited cash clearly makes it very easy for the Ukrainian oligarchs to keep killing off their own people without any personal sacrifice.

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Show your work here.

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You have google, it's quite easily found in the public domain. And two months later after Biden assured them it was up to the Ukraine to join or not, Russia invaded.

Yeah, I know ... Russia was always going to invade, blah blah blah. That conversation had nothing to do with it, blah blah blah.

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Didn't find it on Google. Furthermore, you didn't say "it was up to Ukraine". You said Biden assured them they could join. Everyone knows that "up to Ukraine" goes back to all the required changes necessary to qualify, as well as a vote by the members. You guys are playing fast and loose with the truth. It's getting old.

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Biden said it's up to Ukraine, so that means if Ukraine wants in, they can join. You want to make that some huge obstacle and hoops they'd have to jump through. Whatever you want to pretend, Clearly it's an invitation. So yeah, it's not fast and loose with what he said, you're just being obtuse.

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Wrong. You apparently don't understand what the NATO admission process is. This is why we get all jacked up over framed conspiracies about this war. If someone believes we have no geopolitical or strategic interest in Ukraine, fine, that's a debate. But when the President of the U.S. has to walk back blaming Ukraine for starting the war, and you guys hounding on facts not in existence, it looks like we are so blinded by politics we aren't willing to deal in reality.

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Wrong. Up to Ukraine. The most powerful leader in the world laid it in Ukraine's hands to join. So there's an admission process. So what? Biden should have said it's off the table. You know this but you want to remain obtuse to fit your narrative. You think Biden giving them the green light was just going to slide by Putin? Silly and childish.

And I'm not blaming Ukraine for starting the war. Only that joining NATO was a no-go previously. Biden green lit it as do-able, and Russia invaded two months later. Biden screwed this up, like he did everything else. Blood is on his hands because the outcome was predictable. All Putin needed was an excuse.

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Again, it's always been in Ukraine's hands to comply and the membership to assess whether they had and to determine if they wanted to let them in. We (US) in fact do NOT have unilateral authority to let anyone in. But you're right about one thing. Putin used it as cover to invade when it was something easily retracted as a statement, and had zero practical authority as it regards NATO.

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ATL Bear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Ukraine Never Should Have Made the Mistake of Getting Invaded

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Putin should not have invaded. But he did.
Not just true, but the most important truth of all. RUSSIA started all of this.

Biden should not have openly assured the Ukraine that they could join Nato. But he did.
False. Refusing to categorically reject the idea is not synonymous with "assuring" membership.

So what exactly do you want the US to do? Will you send your sons/daughters to go fight for the Ukraine? Or do you just want to send our tax dollars? And to what end and how long?
Support others who are willing to fight, for as long as they are willing to fight, up to and including supporting any future insurgency against a victorious Russia (which we most definitely will do, should such happen).

.

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It is amazing how hard people work to ignore very elementary geo-strategic realities: Ukraine is a sovereign country which was invaded by Russia without any cause whatsoever, an act which was a significant threat to Nato, an alliance to which we are a member. Russia committed an act of war; Ukraine did not. Nato is significantly more threatened by Russian actions than Russia than vice-versa.

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You're wrong. Biden did in fact assure them that they could join nato.

As for the rest of your comments, I have no problem with Ukraine continuing to fight.
So how much taxpayer money are you willing to just give away so Ukraine can bleed Russia. 100 billion per year? 200 billion? Just curious.

Personally, I think Europe should foot much of the bill. I also think that if we are going to fund/arm them in huge amounts, getting some favors/pay/guarantees in return for America would be reasonable. So I don't disagree entirely with you. There is value in bleeding Russia, but I wouldn't want to incentivize millions of deaths to do it. So if they want to continue to fight, let's sell them weapons and intelligence, but shelling out unlimited cash clearly makes it very easy for the Ukrainian oligarchs to keep killing off their own people without any personal sacrifice.

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Show your work here.

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You have google, it's quite easily found in the public domain. And two months later after Biden assured them it was up to the Ukraine to join or not, Russia invaded.

Yeah, I know ... Russia was always going to invade, blah blah blah. That conversation had nothing to do with it, blah blah blah.

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Didn't find it on Google. Furthermore, you didn't say "it was up to Ukraine". You said Biden assured them they could join. Everyone knows that "up to Ukraine" goes back to all the required changes necessary to qualify, as well as a vote by the members. You guys are playing fast and loose with the truth. It's getting old.

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Biden said it's up to Ukraine, so that means if Ukraine wants in, they can join. You want to make that some huge obstacle and hoops they'd have to jump through. Whatever you want to pretend, Clearly it's an invitation. So yeah, it's not fast and loose with what he said, you're just being obtuse.

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Wrong. You apparently don't understand what the NATO admission process is. This is why we get all jacked up over framed conspiracies about this war. If someone believes we have no geopolitical or strategic interest in Ukraine, fine, that's a debate. But when the President of the U.S. has to walk back blaming Ukraine for starting the war, and you guys hounding on facts not in existence, it looks like we are so blinded by politics we aren't willing to deal in reality.

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Wrong. Up to Ukraine. The most powerful leader in the world laid it in Ukraine's hands to join. So there's an admission process. So what? Biden should have said it's off the table. You know this but you want to remain obtuse to fit your narrative. You think Biden giving them the green light was just going to slide by Putin? Silly and childish.

And I'm not blaming Ukraine for starting the war. Only that joining NATO was a no-go previously. Biden green lit it as do-able, and Russia invaded two months later. Biden screwed this up, like he did everything else. Blood is on his hands because the outcome was predictable. All Putin needed was an excuse.

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Again, it's always been in Ukraine's hands to comply and the membership to assess whether they had and to determine if they wanted to let them in. We (US) in fact do NOT have unilateral authority to let anyone in. But you're right about one thing. Putin used it as cover to invade when it was something easily retracted as a statement, and had zero practical authority as it regards NATO.

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Yeah Biden the president of the most powerful nation in the world, who also dominates NATO in power and funding shouldn't be taken at his word. Putin had enough of a "valid" reason to justify his act.

We all know that the US would have acted similar if the positions were somehow reversed at our border.

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This entire narrative that this bloodfest in Ukraine was somehow worth it in order to 'weaken' the Russian military is ludicrous.

Hundreds of thousands of people have been slaughtered.

Only folks thousands of miles from the carnage can even attempt to be smug about it.

And for what …..to argue about tanks ?

Russia will easily rebuild their tank numbers.

The United States might even get back some of the hundreds of billions Biden cynically gave away.

But those lives are irrevocably lost.

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^ dude over here thinks we won our freedom by thoughts and prayers

ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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This entire narrative that this bloodfest in Ukraine was somehow worth it in order to 'weaken' the Russian military is ludicrous.

Hundreds of thousands of people have been slaughtered.

Only folks thousands of miles from the carnage can even attempt to be smug about it.

And for what …..to argue about tanks ?

Russia will easily rebuild their tank numbers.

The United States might even get back some of the hundreds of billions Biden cynically gave away.

But those lives are irrevocably lost.

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^ dude over here thinks we won our freedom by thoughts and prayers

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^and this dude thinks we are fighting commies in Eastern Europe and that the USSR is still around….

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KaiBear said:

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This entire narrative that this bloodfest in Ukraine was somehow worth it in order to 'weaken' the Russian military is ludicrous.

Hundreds of thousands of people have been slaughtered.

Only folks thousands of miles from the carnage can even attempt to be smug about it.

And for what …..to argue about tanks ?

Russia will easily rebuild their tank numbers.

The United States might even get back some of the hundreds of billions Biden cynically gave away.

But those lives are irrevocably lost.

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^ dude over here thinks we won our freedom by thoughts and prayers

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Dude over here owns a Combat Infantry Badge.

But of course you Rear Echelon Pukes remain the real 'warriors'.

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^ Guy in rolex and bone spurs makes fun of ex-military.

Redbrickbear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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This entire narrative that this bloodfest in Ukraine was somehow worth it in order to 'weaken' the Russian military is ludicrous.

Hundreds of thousands of people have been slaughtered.

Only folks thousands of miles from the carnage can even attempt to be smug about it.

And for what …..to argue about tanks ?

Russia will easily rebuild their tank numbers.

The United States might even get back some of the hundreds of billions Biden cynically gave away.

But those lives are irrevocably lost.

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^ dude over here thinks we won our freedom by thoughts and prayers

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^and this dude thinks we are fighting commies in Eastern Europe and that the USSR is still around….

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I don't think we are fighting anybody. That is the entire point of funding Ukraine

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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This entire narrative that this bloodfest in Ukraine was somehow worth it in order to 'weaken' the Russian military is ludicrous.

Hundreds of thousands of people have been slaughtered.

Only folks thousands of miles from the carnage can even attempt to be smug about it.

And for what …..to argue about tanks ?

Russia will easily rebuild their tank numbers.

The United States might even get back some of the hundreds of billions Biden cynically gave away.

But those lives are irrevocably lost.

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^ dude over here thinks we won our freedom by thoughts and prayers

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Dude over here owns a Combat Infantry Badge.

But of course you Rear Echelon Pukes remain the real 'warriors'.

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^ Guy in rolex and bone spurs makes fun of ex-military.

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Guy with rolex(s) and three grandsons mocks Rear Echelon Pukes who play internet Rambo.

KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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This entire narrative that this bloodfest in Ukraine was somehow worth it in order to 'weaken' the Russian military is ludicrous.

Hundreds of thousands of people have been slaughtered.

Only folks thousands of miles from the carnage can even attempt to be smug about it.

And for what …..to argue about tanks ?

Russia will easily rebuild their tank numbers.

The United States might even get back some of the hundreds of billions Biden cynically gave away.

But those lives are irrevocably lost.

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^ dude over here thinks we won our freedom by thoughts and prayers

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Dude over here owns a Combat Infantry Badge.

But of course you Rear Echelon Pukes remain the real 'warriors'.

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^ Guy in rolex and bone spurs makes fun of ex-military.

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Guy with rolex(s) and three grandsons mocks Rear Echelon Pukes who play internet Rambo.

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Considering your personality you might want to get a DNA test

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Redbrickbear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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This entire narrative that this bloodfest in Ukraine was somehow worth it in order to 'weaken' the Russian military is ludicrous.

Hundreds of thousands of people have been slaughtered.

Only folks thousands of miles from the carnage can even attempt to be smug about it.

And for what …..to argue about tanks ?

Russia will easily rebuild their tank numbers.

The United States might even get back some of the hundreds of billions Biden cynically gave away.

But those lives are irrevocably lost.

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^ dude over here thinks we won our freedom by thoughts and prayers

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^and this dude thinks we are fighting commies in Eastern Europe and that the USSR is still around….

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I don't think we are fighting anybody. That is the entire point of funding Ukraine

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A corrupt rusting out Russia with a ultra low birth rate, declining population, and GDP like Mexico is not the big threat you think it is…

Certainly not worth spending hundreds of billions on a proxy war

(a proxy war that Ukraine can not win without US-NATO troops)

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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This entire narrative that this bloodfest in Ukraine was somehow worth it in order to 'weaken' the Russian military is ludicrous.

Hundreds of thousands of people have been slaughtered.

Only folks thousands of miles from the carnage can even attempt to be smug about it.

And for what …..to argue about tanks ?

Russia will easily rebuild their tank numbers.

The United States might even get back some of the hundreds of billions Biden cynically gave away.

But those lives are irrevocably lost.

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^ dude over here thinks we won our freedom by thoughts and prayers

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Dude over here owns a Combat Infantry Badge.

But of course you Rear Echelon Pukes remain the real 'warriors'.

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^ Guy in rolex and bone spurs makes fun of ex-military.

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Guy with rolex(s) and three grandsons mocks Rear Echelon Pukes who play internet Rambo.

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Considering your personality you might want to get a DNA test

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Considering your five day a week drinking habit you might want to get your fatty liver checked.

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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This entire narrative that this bloodfest in Ukraine was somehow worth it in order to 'weaken' the Russian military is ludicrous.

Hundreds of thousands of people have been slaughtered.

Only folks thousands of miles from the carnage can even attempt to be smug about it.

And for what …..to argue about tanks ?

Russia will easily rebuild their tank numbers.

The United States might even get back some of the hundreds of billions Biden cynically gave away.

But those lives are irrevocably lost.

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^ dude over here thinks we won our freedom by thoughts and prayers

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Dude over here owns a Combat Infantry Badge.

But of course you Rear Echelon Pukes remain the real 'warriors'.

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^ Guy in rolex and bone spurs makes fun of ex-military.

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Guy with rolex(s) and three grandsons mocks Rear Echelon Pukes who play internet Rambo.

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Considering your personality you might want to get a DNA test

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Considering your five day a week drinking habit you might want to get your fatty liver checked.

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I understand at your advanced age that is an issue but for a young healthy adult your body is capable of processing alcohols and doesn't require soft foods. I think you should get a few more months of fun in before the grandchildren check you into Sunset Manor

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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This entire narrative that this bloodfest in Ukraine was somehow worth it in order to 'weaken' the Russian military is ludicrous.

Hundreds of thousands of people have been slaughtered.

Only folks thousands of miles from the carnage can even attempt to be smug about it.

And for what …..to argue about tanks ?

Russia will easily rebuild their tank numbers.

The United States might even get back some of the hundreds of billions Biden cynically gave away.

But those lives are irrevocably lost.

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^ dude over here thinks we won our freedom by thoughts and prayers

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Dude over here owns a Combat Infantry Badge.

But of course you Rear Echelon Pukes remain the real 'warriors'.

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^ Guy in rolex and bone spurs makes fun of ex-military.

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Guy with rolex(s) and three grandsons mocks Rear Echelon Pukes who play internet Rambo.

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Considering your personality you might want to get a DNA test

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Considering your five day a week drinking habit you might want to get your fatty liver checked.

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I understand at your advanced age that is an issue but for a young healthy adult your body is capable of processing alcohols and doesn't require soft foods. I think you should get a few more months of fun in before the grandchildren check you into Sunset Manor

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LOL

Oh yeah drinking 5 days a week keeps a body 'slim' and a mind sharp.

That's why you are the multi millionaire with a stable family life.

"As an event, it is horrible, a hellish panorama of innocent people shivering without electricity in half-ruined cities, broken homes, broken hearts and broken bodies, hospitals crammed with maimed soldiers..."https://t.co/U0ZypKxBj6

— Andrew Smith (@AndrewSmithClub) February 23, 2025

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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This entire narrative that this bloodfest in Ukraine was somehow worth it in order to 'weaken' the Russian military is ludicrous.

Hundreds of thousands of people have been slaughtered.

Only folks thousands of miles from the carnage can even attempt to be smug about it.

And for what …..to argue about tanks ?

Russia will easily rebuild their tank numbers.

The United States might even get back some of the hundreds of billions Biden cynically gave away.

But those lives are irrevocably lost.

---

^ dude over here thinks we won our freedom by thoughts and prayers

---

Dude over here owns a Combat Infantry Badge.

But of course you Rear Echelon Pukes remain the real 'warriors'.

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^ Guy in rolex and bone spurs makes fun of ex-military.

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Guy with rolex(s) and three grandsons mocks Rear Echelon Pukes who play internet Rambo.

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Considering your personality you might want to get a DNA test

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Considering your five day a week drinking habit you might want to get your fatty liver checked.

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I understand at your advanced age that is an issue but for a young healthy adult your body is capable of processing alcohols and doesn't require soft foods. I think you should get a few more months of fun in before the grandchildren check you into Sunset Manor

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LOL

Oh yeah drinking 5 days a week keeps a body 'slim' and a mind sharp.

That's why you are the multi millionaire with a stable family life.

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In my industry you are a millionaire with your first set of bonus stocks right out of college.I realize it took you 80 years to build up your average net worth managing a trailer park though

KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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This entire narrative that this bloodfest in Ukraine was somehow worth it in order to 'weaken' the Russian military is ludicrous.

Hundreds of thousands of people have been slaughtered.

Only folks thousands of miles from the carnage can even attempt to be smug about it.

And for what …..to argue about tanks ?

Russia will easily rebuild their tank numbers.

The United States might even get back some of the hundreds of billions Biden cynically gave away.

But those lives are irrevocably lost.

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^ dude over here thinks we won our freedom by thoughts and prayers

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Dude over here owns a Combat Infantry Badge.

But of course you Rear Echelon Pukes remain the real 'warriors'.

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Thanks for your service Kai!

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I think that award goes to the church

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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This entire narrative that this bloodfest in Ukraine was somehow worth it in order to 'weaken' the Russian military is ludicrous.

Hundreds of thousands of people have been slaughtered.

Only folks thousands of miles from the carnage can even attempt to be smug about it.

And for what …..to argue about tanks ?

Russia will easily rebuild their tank numbers.

The United States might even get back some of the hundreds of billions Biden cynically gave away.

But those lives are irrevocably lost.

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^ dude over here thinks we won our freedom by thoughts and prayers

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Dude over here owns a Combat Infantry Badge.

But of course you Rear Echelon Pukes remain the real 'warriors'.

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Thanks for your service Kai!

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Dumbest series of choices I have ever made in my life.

Relieved none of my sons did the same.

As no one gives a flying **** about the sacrifices made.

Least of all the elites ( of every country ) who cause the bloodshed to begin with.

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You and Antifa would get along great

BREAKING: Zelensky says that he is willing to resign as Ukraine’s leader in exchange for NATO membership.

— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) February 23, 2025

boognish_bear said:

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BREAKING: Zelensky says that he is willing to resign as Ukraine’s leader in exchange for NATO membership.

— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) February 23, 2025

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worst dictator ever

ron.reagan said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BREAKING: Zelensky says that he is willing to resign as Ukraine’s leader in exchange for NATO membership.

— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) February 23, 2025

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worst dictator ever

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Why not just hold a freaking election instead?

If he wins it he can stay in office and advocate for membership

ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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Assassin said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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This entire narrative that this bloodfest in Ukraine was somehow worth it in order to 'weaken' the Russian military is ludicrous.

Hundreds of thousands of people have been slaughtered.

Only folks thousands of miles from the carnage can even attempt to be smug about it.

And for what …..to argue about tanks ?

Russia will easily rebuild their tank numbers.

The United States might even get back some of the hundreds of billions Biden cynically gave away.

But those lives are irrevocably lost.

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^ dude over here thinks we won our freedom by thoughts and prayers

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Dude over here owns a Combat Infantry Badge.

But of course you Rear Echelon Pukes remain the real 'warriors'.

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Thanks for your service Kai!

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Dumbest series of choices I have ever made in my life.

Relieved none of my sons did the same.

As no one gives a flying **** about the sacrifices made.

Least of all the elites ( of every country ) who cause the bloodshed to begin with.

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You and Antifa would get along great

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Your views on organized religion and LGBTQ would fit in great with antifa

Redbrickbear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BREAKING: Zelensky says that he is willing to resign as Ukraine’s leader in exchange for NATO membership.

— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) February 23, 2025

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worst dictator ever

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Why not just hold a freaking election instead?

If he wins it he can stay in office and advocate for membership

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He did and he already won...

ron.reagan said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BREAKING: Zelensky says that he is willing to resign as Ukraine’s leader in exchange for NATO membership.

— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) February 23, 2025

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worst dictator ever

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Why not just hold a freaking election instead?

If he wins it he can stay in office and advocate for membership

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He did and he already won...

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So he never has to run again?

Sounds like dictator behavior to me eh comrade?

Redbrickbear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BREAKING: Zelensky says that he is willing to resign as Ukraine’s leader in exchange for NATO membership.

— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) February 23, 2025

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worst dictator ever

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Why not just hold a freaking election instead?

If he wins it he can stay in office and advocate for membership

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He did and he already won...

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So he never has to run again?

Sounds like dictator behavior to me eh comrade?

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a dictator could have an election whenever they wanted to. I'm not sure you know how these things work

Redbrickbear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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Assassin said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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This entire narrative that this bloodfest in Ukraine was somehow worth it in order to 'weaken' the Russian military is ludicrous.

Hundreds of thousands of people have been slaughtered.

Only folks thousands of miles from the carnage can even attempt to be smug about it.

And for what …..to argue about tanks ?

Russia will easily rebuild their tank numbers.

The United States might even get back some of the hundreds of billions Biden cynically gave away.

But those lives are irrevocably lost.

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^ dude over here thinks we won our freedom by thoughts and prayers

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Dude over here owns a Combat Infantry Badge.

But of course you Rear Echelon Pukes remain the real 'warriors'.

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Thanks for your service Kai!

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Dumbest series of choices I have ever made in my life.

Relieved none of my sons did the same.

As no one gives a flying **** about the sacrifices made.

Least of all the elites ( of every country ) who cause the bloodshed to begin with.

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You and Antifa would get along great

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Your views on organized religion and LGBTQ would fit in great with antifa

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They wouldn't at all actually.