Realitybites said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Mitt Romney was right
pic.twitter.com/XZJrK6aeSC

— Republicans against Trump (@RpsAgainstTrump) February 18, 2024

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Mitt Romney is never right. The architect of Obamacare before Obama. The governor who legalized gay marriage in his state. Mitt Romney is always wrong. Always? Always.

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Not that surprising of a view for a communist.

whiterock said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Has Russia lost ……YET ?

Has their economy crumbled due to our vaunted sanctions ?

When is the Ukrainian victory parade ?

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Avdiivka is a major disaster for the Ukrainian side. It was more heavily fortified and more strategically important than Bakhmut, and it collapsed more precipitously than even pro-Russian analysts expected. The Ukes might have managed an orderly retreat if they'd started weeks ago, but of course Zelensky wouldn't allow it.

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It was orderly, vatnik.

The rest is your usual Russian shilling and bending over.

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Since he's never been able to explain why the small city of Bakhmut has any strategic significance, let's see if he can give the considerably easier explanation for why the three-street village of Avdiivka is of such "strategic importance" that it was worth the deaths of tens of thousands of Russian soldiers.

Better yet, I'd love to see him explain how Russia can sustain 47k losses per village for the next 50 miles of villages, much less all the way thru Ukraine to the Polish border.

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I've explained several times that Bakhmut's significance was symbolic. That's one reason it was a mistake for Ukraine to waste so many troops there (another is that they were needed for the counter-offensive). Avdiivka was the launch pad for Ukraine's attacks on Donetsk city and any potential move in that direction. Capturing it positions Russia to take Pokrovsk, which is a crucial logistics and supply hub.

Your question about sustaining 47K losses per village is an exceedingly odd one. Aside from the fact that it's way higher than any other estimate I've seen from Avdiivka, you seem to be assuming that other villages are equally well defended. This couldn't be farther from the truth. The Ukes put everything they had into making Avdiivka exceptionally well fortified. Without it they have very little to fall back on.

Of course they have also pulled more and more troops from other points on the front, giving Russia more and more opportunities. How you ever thought Ukraine wasn't losing the war of attrition remains a mystery, but the results are more evident by the week. Expect further developments around Robotyne, Lyman, and/or Kupiansk soon.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-february-18-2024

Ukrainian forces will likely be able to establish new defensive lines not far beyond Avdiivka, which will likely prompt the culmination of the Russian offensive in this area. The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) claimed on February 18 that elements of the Russian Central Grouping of Forces completely captured Avdiivka, advancing 8.6 kilometers in depth in the area, and that Russian forces continue offensive operations to capture additional territory in Donetsk Oblast.[1] Several Russian milbloggers claimed on February 18 that Ukrainian forces lack well prepared defensive positions west of Avdiivka and that Russian forces will be able to advance further into western Donetsk Oblast behind "panicked" and "disorganized" Ukrainian forces withdrawing from Avdiivka.[2] ISW has still not observed footage of disorderly Ukrainian withdrawals to support these Russian claims and would expect to observe such footage if the withdrawal was disorderly on a large scale given the normal patterns of Russian sources with access to such material. One Russian milblogger claimed that a large-scale collapse of the Avdiivka front is "unlikely" as Ukrainian forces withdraw to prepared defensive lines, however, indicating that the Russian understanding (or presentation) of Ukrainian defensive capabilities on this sector of the front differs from source to source.[3]

Available imagery, which ISW will not present or describe in greater detail at this time to preserve Ukrainian operational security, does not support claims that Ukrainian forces lack prepared defensive positions west of Avdiivka. The Ukrainian command also recently committed fresh units to the Avdiivka front to counterattack advancing Russian forces and provide an evacuation corridor for Ukrainian units withdrawing from Avdiivka.[4] These newly committed units are likely able to establish and hold defensive positions against Russian forces, degraded by their assaults on the town, west of Avdiivka. Russian forces, which have suffered high personnel and equipment losses in seizing Avdiivka, will likely culminate when they come up against relatively fresher Ukrainian units manning prepared defensive positions.

This army is never going to take over a country.

🇺🇦I saw this video showing 447 visually confirmed vehicles #russia lost trying to take #Avdiivka. Our defenders did an incredible job! They only gained 10 km in 2 years, at that rate its 59 years to Kyiv. Or if our allies send enough weapons, 1 year to hell🔥
Слава Україні!❤️ pic.twitter.com/aPj5RU3Jpy

— Sofia Ukraini (@SlavaUk30722777) February 19, 2024

I thought perhaps parking half your army on the same road and forgetting to bring gas was a fluke

Denmark has passed all of its CAESAR self-propelled howitzers to Ukraine along with thousands of 155-mm rounds and training 100 Ukrainian gunmen to use the howitzers.

Say a kind word to Denmarkpic.twitter.com/srTUHtGutw

— OPIUM Fella 🐶 🇺🇦 ❤ 🇮🇱 (@PopoolaAyomiku2) February 19, 2024

BREAKING:

Biden is planning on sending Ukraine ATACMS missiles with longer range than the ATACMS sent previously.

These missiles will be particularly threatening for Russian critical infrastructure and military hardware in Crimea.

US officials shared the news with NBC pic.twitter.com/cIxUuoqpO7

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) February 19, 2024

"Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans, born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage, and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world. Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty."
JF Kennedy

BREAKING:

Minutes ago, Sweden announced it’s transferring its 15th military aid package to Ukraine, the largest yet by far.

It’s worth USD 700 mln

- Desperately needed artillery ammunition
- 30 military boats of which 10 are the excellent CB90-class fast assault craft

🇸🇪🇺🇦 pic.twitter.com/gSedKZryyt

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) February 20, 2024

Realitybites said:

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Since he's never been able to explain why the small city of Bakhmut has any strategic significance, let's see if he can give the considerably easier explanation for why the three-street village of Avdiivka is of such "strategic importance" that it was worth the deaths of tens of thousands of Russian soldiers.

Better yet, I'd love to see him explain how Russia can sustain 47k losses per village for the next 50 miles of villages, much less all the way thru Ukraine to the Polish border.

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Don't you think that the Russians have done the math on this?
They think this expenditure of losses shows resolve that will further weaken Western will to continue support, and also exploits US dithering about sending more aid = hitting Ukraine while/ they're weak.

What makes you think that they are going to push all the way to the Polish border when they've basically telegraphed that (1) they don't want to and (2) they're looking for rational negotiating partners in NATO to end this conflict?
Putin has stated that he does not want a Ukrainian state to survive.

Or maybe you've been wrong since the beginning of this conflict and Russian goals are actually to secure Dontesk and Lugansk (and maybe push to the Dniper to create a DMZ if NATO forces this upon them).
That's a minimal objective to achieve before they can agree to a cease fire. It means they launch the next attack, they will have a logistics base outside the range of Ukrainian artillery fire

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If Russia wants to keep sacrificing soldiers at a rate of 5-1 or more, by all means we should let them do it. The more men and equipment they lose, the longer it will take them to rebuild and return.

Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Has Russia lost ……YET ?

Has their economy crumbled due to our vaunted sanctions ?

When is the Ukrainian victory parade ?

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Avdiivka is a major disaster for the Ukrainian side. It was more heavily fortified and more strategically important than Bakhmut, and it collapsed more precipitously than even pro-Russian analysts expected. The Ukes might have managed an orderly retreat if they'd started weeks ago, but of course Zelensky wouldn't allow it.

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It was orderly, vatnik.

The rest is your usual Russian shilling and bending over.

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Since he's never been able to explain why the small city of Bakhmut has any strategic significance, let's see if he can give the considerably easier explanation for why the three-street village of Avdiivka is of such "strategic importance" that it was worth the deaths of tens of thousands of Russian soldiers.

Better yet, I'd love to see him explain how Russia can sustain 47k losses per village for the next 50 miles of villages, much less all the way thru Ukraine to the Polish border.

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I've explained several times that Bakhmut's significance was symbolic. That's one reason it was a mistake for Ukraine to waste so many troops there (another is that they were needed for the counter-offensive). Avdiivka was the launch pad for Ukraine's attacks on Donetsk city and any potential move in that direction. Capturing it positions Russia to take Pokrovsk, which is a crucial logistics and supply hub.

Your question about sustaining 47K losses per village is an exceedingly odd one. Aside from the fact that it's way higher than any other estimate I've seen from Avdiivka, you seem to be assuming that other villages are equally well defended. This couldn't be farther from the truth. The Ukes put everything they had into making Avdiivka exceptionally well fortified. Without it they have very little to fall back on.

Of course they have also pulled more and more troops from other points on the front, giving Russia more and more opportunities. How you ever thought Ukraine wasn't losing the war of attrition remains a mystery, but the results are more evident by the week. Expect further developments around Robotyne, Lyman, and/or Kupiansk soon.

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So you don't really understand he difference between the words "strategic" and "tactical."
Got it.

You also have everything else wrong, to include the meaning of the word "war of attrition."

Bear8084 said:

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https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-february-18-2024

Ukrainian forces will likely be able to establish new defensive lines not far beyond Avdiivka, which will likely prompt the culmination of the Russian offensive in this area. The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) claimed on February 18 that elements of the Russian Central Grouping of Forces completely captured Avdiivka, advancing 8.6 kilometers in depth in the area, and that Russian forces continue offensive operations to capture additional territory in Donetsk Oblast.[1] Several Russian milbloggers claimed on February 18 that Ukrainian forces lack well prepared defensive positions west of Avdiivka and that Russian forces will be able to advance further into western Donetsk Oblast behind "panicked" and "disorganized" Ukrainian forces withdrawing from Avdiivka.[2] ISW has still not observed footage of disorderly Ukrainian withdrawals to support these Russian claims and would expect to observe such footage if the withdrawal was disorderly on a large scale given the normal patterns of Russian sources with access to such material. One Russian milblogger claimed that a large-scale collapse of the Avdiivka front is "unlikely" as Ukrainian forces withdraw to prepared defensive lines, however, indicating that the Russian understanding (or presentation) of Ukrainian defensive capabilities on this sector of the front differs from source to source.[3]

Available imagery, which ISW will not present or describe in greater detail at this time to preserve Ukrainian operational security, does not support claims that Ukrainian forces lack prepared defensive positions west of Avdiivka. The Ukrainian command also recently committed fresh units to the Avdiivka front to counterattack advancing Russian forces and provide an evacuation corridor for Ukrainian units withdrawing from Avdiivka.[4] These newly committed units are likely able to establish and hold defensive positions against Russian forces, degraded by their assaults on the town, west of Avdiivka. Russian forces, which have suffered high personnel and equipment losses in seizing Avdiivka, will likely culminate when they come up against relatively fresher Ukrainian units manning prepared defensive positions.

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Yep. And new UKR CIC is a proponent of fortifications. So UKR appears to have correctly concluded it will not get sufficient Western equipment to support offensive operations this summer, and is making preps to do more fortification to make the Russian assaults even more costly.

It's very sound thinking. Loss rates already favor UKR and Russia continues to attack. So settle back and let them come.

FLBear5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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"Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans, born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage, and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world. Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty."
JF Kennedy

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Not the current batch...

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nor do they heed these words in domestic policy:

"Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."
-President John F. Kennedy

whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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"Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans, born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage, and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world. Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty."
JF Kennedy

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Not the current batch...

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nor do they heed these words in domestic policy:

"Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."
-President John F. Kennedy

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Yup. Outside of Donald, we are pretty much in agreement...

Funny, how much Apollo impacted so many of my Generation. Everyone has different skill sets, so there is no one path to service. But I spent most of my life building and operating roads and infrastructure. I know alot who served 30 in the military. Foreign Service. etc...

US is going to have a tough time going forward, seems younger Generation is against the US and its policies. Left has done well molding opinion through education.


Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.


Vladimir Lenin

Bear8084 said:

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https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-february-18-2024

Ukrainian forces will likely be able to establish new defensive lines not far beyond Avdiivka, which will likely prompt the culmination of the Russian offensive in this area. The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) claimed on February 18 that elements of the Russian Central Grouping of Forces completely captured Avdiivka, advancing 8.6 kilometers in depth in the area, and that Russian forces continue offensive operations to capture additional territory in Donetsk Oblast.[1] Several Russian milbloggers claimed on February 18 that Ukrainian forces lack well prepared defensive positions west of Avdiivka and that Russian forces will be able to advance further into western Donetsk Oblast behind "panicked" and "disorganized" Ukrainian forces withdrawing from Avdiivka.[2] ISW has still not observed footage of disorderly Ukrainian withdrawals to support these Russian claims and would expect to observe such footage if the withdrawal was disorderly on a large scale given the normal patterns of Russian sources with access to such material. One Russian milblogger claimed that a large-scale collapse of the Avdiivka front is "unlikely" as Ukrainian forces withdraw to prepared defensive lines, however, indicating that the Russian understanding (or presentation) of Ukrainian defensive capabilities on this sector of the front differs from source to source.[3]

Available imagery, which ISW will not present or describe in greater detail at this time to preserve Ukrainian operational security, does not support claims that Ukrainian forces lack prepared defensive positions west of Avdiivka. The Ukrainian command also recently committed fresh units to the Avdiivka front to counterattack advancing Russian forces and provide an evacuation corridor for Ukrainian units withdrawing from Avdiivka.[4] These newly committed units are likely able to establish and hold defensive positions against Russian forces, degraded by their assaults on the town, west of Avdiivka. Russian forces, which have suffered high personnel and equipment losses in seizing Avdiivka, will likely culminate when they come up against relatively fresher Ukrainian units manning prepared defensive positions.

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An orderly retreat typically doesn't leave thousands of troops stranded behind enemy lines.

Avdiivka's defense took years to prepare. They won't have anything like it soon.

Sam Lowry said:

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Bear8084 said:

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https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-february-18-2024

Ukrainian forces will likely be able to establish new defensive lines not far beyond Avdiivka, which will likely prompt the culmination of the Russian offensive in this area. The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) claimed on February 18 that elements of the Russian Central Grouping of Forces completely captured Avdiivka, advancing 8.6 kilometers in depth in the area, and that Russian forces continue offensive operations to capture additional territory in Donetsk Oblast.[1] Several Russian milbloggers claimed on February 18 that Ukrainian forces lack well prepared defensive positions west of Avdiivka and that Russian forces will be able to advance further into western Donetsk Oblast behind "panicked" and "disorganized" Ukrainian forces withdrawing from Avdiivka.[2] ISW has still not observed footage of disorderly Ukrainian withdrawals to support these Russian claims and would expect to observe such footage if the withdrawal was disorderly on a large scale given the normal patterns of Russian sources with access to such material. One Russian milblogger claimed that a large-scale collapse of the Avdiivka front is "unlikely" as Ukrainian forces withdraw to prepared defensive lines, however, indicating that the Russian understanding (or presentation) of Ukrainian defensive capabilities on this sector of the front differs from source to source.[3]

Available imagery, which ISW will not present or describe in greater detail at this time to preserve Ukrainian operational security, does not support claims that Ukrainian forces lack prepared defensive positions west of Avdiivka. The Ukrainian command also recently committed fresh units to the Avdiivka front to counterattack advancing Russian forces and provide an evacuation corridor for Ukrainian units withdrawing from Avdiivka.[4] These newly committed units are likely able to establish and hold defensive positions against Russian forces, degraded by their assaults on the town, west of Avdiivka. Russian forces, which have suffered high personnel and equipment losses in seizing Avdiivka, will likely culminate when they come up against relatively fresher Ukrainian units manning prepared defensive positions.

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An orderly retreat typically doesn't leave thousands of troops stranded behind enemy lines.

Avdiivka's defense took years to build. They won't have anything like it soon.

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"Thousands"....Lol!

whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Has Russia lost ……YET ?

Has their economy crumbled due to our vaunted sanctions ?

When is the Ukrainian victory parade ?

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Avdiivka is a major disaster for the Ukrainian side. It was more heavily fortified and more strategically important than Bakhmut, and it collapsed more precipitously than even pro-Russian analysts expected. The Ukes might have managed an orderly retreat if they'd started weeks ago, but of course Zelensky wouldn't allow it.

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It was orderly, vatnik.

The rest is your usual Russian shilling and bending over.

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Since he's never been able to explain why the small city of Bakhmut has any strategic significance, let's see if he can give the considerably easier explanation for why the three-street village of Avdiivka is of such "strategic importance" that it was worth the deaths of tens of thousands of Russian soldiers.

Better yet, I'd love to see him explain how Russia can sustain 47k losses per village for the next 50 miles of villages, much less all the way thru Ukraine to the Polish border.

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I've explained several times that Bakhmut's significance was symbolic. That's one reason it was a mistake for Ukraine to waste so many troops there (another is that they were needed for the counter-offensive). Avdiivka was the launch pad for Ukraine's attacks on Donetsk city and any potential move in that direction. Capturing it positions Russia to take Pokrovsk, which is a crucial logistics and supply hub.

Your question about sustaining 47K losses per village is an exceedingly odd one. Aside from the fact that it's way higher than any other estimate I've seen from Avdiivka, you seem to be assuming that other villages are equally well defended. This couldn't be farther from the truth. The Ukes put everything they had into making Avdiivka exceptionally well fortified. Without it they have very little to fall back on.

Of course they have also pulled more and more troops from other points on the front, giving Russia more and more opportunities. How you ever thought Ukraine wasn't losing the war of attrition remains a mystery, but the results are more evident by the week. Expect further developments around Robotyne, Lyman, and/or Kupiansk soon.

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So you don't really understand he difference between the words "strategic" and "tactical."
Got it.

You also have everything else wrong, to include the meaning of the word "war of attrition."

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I understand the words just fine. I assumed you did too, but at this point nothing surprises me. This loss will do enormous damage to the regime's credibility, by the way, if such a thing is still possible. Syrsky barely got the retreat order out in time to make it look planned, and Zelensky apparently wants to pursue criminal charges against some of the officers. It's obvious to everyone now that he should have listened to Zaluzhny. It would still have been a loss, but not a complete rout. He also sent in the Azov Brigade at the last minute, which was decimated, so now the Nazis are furious with him on top of everything else.

Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Has Russia lost ……YET ?

Has their economy crumbled due to our vaunted sanctions ?

When is the Ukrainian victory parade ?

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Avdiivka is a major disaster for the Ukrainian side. It was more heavily fortified and more strategically important than Bakhmut, and it collapsed more precipitously than even pro-Russian analysts expected. The Ukes might have managed an orderly retreat if they'd started weeks ago, but of course Zelensky wouldn't allow it.

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It was orderly, vatnik.

The rest is your usual Russian shilling and bending over.

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Since he's never been able to explain why the small city of Bakhmut has any strategic significance, let's see if he can give the considerably easier explanation for why the three-street village of Avdiivka is of such "strategic importance" that it was worth the deaths of tens of thousands of Russian soldiers.

Better yet, I'd love to see him explain how Russia can sustain 47k losses per village for the next 50 miles of villages, much less all the way thru Ukraine to the Polish border.

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I've explained several times that Bakhmut's significance was symbolic. That's one reason it was a mistake for Ukraine to waste so many troops there (another is that they were needed for the counter-offensive). Avdiivka was the launch pad for Ukraine's attacks on Donetsk city and any potential move in that direction. Capturing it positions Russia to take Pokrovsk, which is a crucial logistics and supply hub.

Your question about sustaining 47K losses per village is an exceedingly odd one. Aside from the fact that it's way higher than any other estimate I've seen from Avdiivka, you seem to be assuming that other villages are equally well defended. This couldn't be farther from the truth. The Ukes put everything they had into making Avdiivka exceptionally well fortified. Without it they have very little to fall back on.

Of course they have also pulled more and more troops from other points on the front, giving Russia more and more opportunities. How you ever thought Ukraine wasn't losing the war of attrition remains a mystery, but the results are more evident by the week. Expect further developments around Robotyne, Lyman, and/or Kupiansk soon.

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So you don't really understand he difference between the words "strategic" and "tactical."
Got it.

You also have everything else wrong, to include the meaning of the word "war of attrition."

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I understand the words just fine. I assumed you did too, but at this point nothing surprises me. This loss will do enormous damage to the regime's credibility, by the way, if such a thing is still possible. Syrsky barely got the retreat order out in time to make it look planned, and Zelensky apparently wants to pursue criminal charges against some of the officers. It's obvious to everyone now that he should have listened to Zaluzhny. It would still have been a loss, but not a complete rout. He also sent in the Azov Brigade at the last minute, which was decimated, so now the Nazis are furious with him on top of everything else.

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You have clearly shown you don't understand much other than vatnik propaganda points.

Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Has Russia lost ……YET ?

Has their economy crumbled due to our vaunted sanctions ?

When is the Ukrainian victory parade ?

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Avdiivka is a major disaster for the Ukrainian side. It was more heavily fortified and more strategically important than Bakhmut, and it collapsed more precipitously than even pro-Russian analysts expected. The Ukes might have managed an orderly retreat if they'd started weeks ago, but of course Zelensky wouldn't allow it.

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It was orderly, vatnik.

The rest is your usual Russian shilling and bending over.

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Since he's never been able to explain why the small city of Bakhmut has any strategic significance, let's see if he can give the considerably easier explanation for why the three-street village of Avdiivka is of such "strategic importance" that it was worth the deaths of tens of thousands of Russian soldiers.

Better yet, I'd love to see him explain how Russia can sustain 47k losses per village for the next 50 miles of villages, much less all the way thru Ukraine to the Polish border.

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I've explained several times that Bakhmut's significance was symbolic. That's one reason it was a mistake for Ukraine to waste so many troops there (another is that they were needed for the counter-offensive). Avdiivka was the launch pad for Ukraine's attacks on Donetsk city and any potential move in that direction. Capturing it positions Russia to take Pokrovsk, which is a crucial logistics and supply hub.

Your question about sustaining 47K losses per village is an exceedingly odd one. Aside from the fact that it's way higher than any other estimate I've seen from Avdiivka, you seem to be assuming that other villages are equally well defended. This couldn't be farther from the truth. The Ukes put everything they had into making Avdiivka exceptionally well fortified. Without it they have very little to fall back on.

Of course they have also pulled more and more troops from other points on the front, giving Russia more and more opportunities. How you ever thought Ukraine wasn't losing the war of attrition remains a mystery, but the results are more evident by the week. Expect further developments around Robotyne, Lyman, and/or Kupiansk soon.

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So you don't really understand he difference between the words "strategic" and "tactical."
Got it.

You also have everything else wrong, to include the meaning of the word "war of attrition."

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I understand the words just fine. I assumed you did too, but at this point nothing surprises me. This loss will do enormous damage to the regime's credibility, by the way, if such a thing is still possible. Syrsky barely got the retreat order out in time to make it look planned, and Zelensky apparently wants to pursue criminal charges against some of the officers. It's obvious to everyone now that he should have listened to Zaluzhny. It would still have been a loss, but not a complete rout. He also sent in the Azov Brigade at the last minute, which was decimated, so now the Nazis are furious with him on top of everything else.

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Every other line you wrote is complete nonsense. I'm sure your wife believes you are informed.

FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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"Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans, born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage, and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world. Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty."
JF Kennedy

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Not the current batch...

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nor do they heed these words in domestic policy:

"Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."
-President John F. Kennedy

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US is going to have a tough time going forward, seems younger Generation is against the US and its policies. Left has done well molding opinion through education.

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Bush 43's policies were education enough for me, sadly.

Sam Lowry said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Has Russia lost ……YET ?

Has their economy crumbled due to our vaunted sanctions ?

When is the Ukrainian victory parade ?

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Avdiivka is a major disaster for the Ukrainian side. It was more heavily fortified and more strategically important than Bakhmut, and it collapsed more precipitously than even pro-Russian analysts expected. The Ukes might have managed an orderly retreat if they'd started weeks ago, but of course Zelensky wouldn't allow it.

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It was orderly, vatnik.

The rest is your usual Russian shilling and bending over.

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Since he's never been able to explain why the small city of Bakhmut has any strategic significance, let's see if he can give the considerably easier explanation for why the three-street village of Avdiivka is of such "strategic importance" that it was worth the deaths of tens of thousands of Russian soldiers.

Better yet, I'd love to see him explain how Russia can sustain 47k losses per village for the next 50 miles of villages, much less all the way thru Ukraine to the Polish border.

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I've explained several times that Bakhmut's significance was symbolic. That's one reason it was a mistake for Ukraine to waste so many troops there (another is that they were needed for the counter-offensive). Avdiivka was the launch pad for Ukraine's attacks on Donetsk city and any potential move in that direction. Capturing it positions Russia to take Pokrovsk, which is a crucial logistics and supply hub.

Your question about sustaining 47K losses per village is an exceedingly odd one. Aside from the fact that it's way higher than any other estimate I've seen from Avdiivka, you seem to be assuming that other villages are equally well defended. This couldn't be farther from the truth. The Ukes put everything they had into making Avdiivka exceptionally well fortified. Without it they have very little to fall back on.

Of course they have also pulled more and more troops from other points on the front, giving Russia more and more opportunities. How you ever thought Ukraine wasn't losing the war of attrition remains a mystery, but the results are more evident by the week. Expect further developments around Robotyne, Lyman, and/or Kupiansk soon.

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So you don't really understand he difference between the words "strategic" and "tactical."
Got it.

You also have everything else wrong, to include the meaning of the word "war of attrition."

---

I understand the words just fine. I assumed you did too, but at this point nothing surprises me. This loss will do enormous damage to the regime's credibility, by the way, if such a thing is still possible. Syrsky barely got the retreat order out in time to make it look planned, and Zelensky apparently wants to pursue criminal charges against some of the officers. It's obvious to everyone now that he should have listened to Zaluzhny. It would still have been a loss, but not a complete rout. He also sent in the Azov Brigade at the last minute, which was decimated, so now the Nazis are furious with him on top of everything else.

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Every other line you wrote is complete nonsense. I'm sure your wife believes you are informed.

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Never get drunk on your own propaganda.

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LOL! The irony. Oh vatnik shill....

Sam Lowry said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Has Russia lost ……YET ?

Has their economy crumbled due to our vaunted sanctions ?

When is the Ukrainian victory parade ?

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Avdiivka is a major disaster for the Ukrainian side. It was more heavily fortified and more strategically important than Bakhmut, and it collapsed more precipitously than even pro-Russian analysts expected. The Ukes might have managed an orderly retreat if they'd started weeks ago, but of course Zelensky wouldn't allow it.

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It was orderly, vatnik.

The rest is your usual Russian shilling and bending over.

---

Since he's never been able to explain why the small city of Bakhmut has any strategic significance, let's see if he can give the considerably easier explanation for why the three-street village of Avdiivka is of such "strategic importance" that it was worth the deaths of tens of thousands of Russian soldiers.

Better yet, I'd love to see him explain how Russia can sustain 47k losses per village for the next 50 miles of villages, much less all the way thru Ukraine to the Polish border.

---

I've explained several times that Bakhmut's significance was symbolic. That's one reason it was a mistake for Ukraine to waste so many troops there (another is that they were needed for the counter-offensive). Avdiivka was the launch pad for Ukraine's attacks on Donetsk city and any potential move in that direction. Capturing it positions Russia to take Pokrovsk, which is a crucial logistics and supply hub.

Your question about sustaining 47K losses per village is an exceedingly odd one. Aside from the fact that it's way higher than any other estimate I've seen from Avdiivka, you seem to be assuming that other villages are equally well defended. This couldn't be farther from the truth. The Ukes put everything they had into making Avdiivka exceptionally well fortified. Without it they have very little to fall back on.

Of course they have also pulled more and more troops from other points on the front, giving Russia more and more opportunities. How you ever thought Ukraine wasn't losing the war of attrition remains a mystery, but the results are more evident by the week. Expect further developments around Robotyne, Lyman, and/or Kupiansk soon.

---

So you don't really understand he difference between the words "strategic" and "tactical."
Got it.

You also have everything else wrong, to include the meaning of the word "war of attrition."

---

I understand the words just fine. I assumed you did too, but at this point nothing surprises me. This loss will do enormous damage to the regime's credibility, by the way, if such a thing is still possible. Syrsky barely got the retreat order out in time to make it look planned, and Zelensky apparently wants to pursue criminal charges against some of the officers. It's obvious to everyone now that he should have listened to Zaluzhny. It would still have been a loss, but not a complete rout. He also sent in the Azov Brigade at the last minute, which was decimated, so now the Nazis are furious with him on top of everything else.

---

Every other line you wrote is complete nonsense. I'm sure your wife believes you are informed.

---

Have you read the thread? I could flip a coin and make better predictions than this "expert" I'm talking to. Now he tells us the Russians have taken five times the losses...sigh.

It's like I said when they started hyping the Big Offensive. Never get drunk on your own propaganda.

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Not only are you a moron but you are an evil moron.

ron.reagan said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Has Russia lost ……YET ?

Has their economy crumbled due to our vaunted sanctions ?

When is the Ukrainian victory parade ?

---

Avdiivka is a major disaster for the Ukrainian side. It was more heavily fortified and more strategically important than Bakhmut, and it collapsed more precipitously than even pro-Russian analysts expected. The Ukes might have managed an orderly retreat if they'd started weeks ago, but of course Zelensky wouldn't allow it.

---

It was orderly, vatnik.

The rest is your usual Russian shilling and bending over.

---

Since he's never been able to explain why the small city of Bakhmut has any strategic significance, let's see if he can give the considerably easier explanation for why the three-street village of Avdiivka is of such "strategic importance" that it was worth the deaths of tens of thousands of Russian soldiers.

Better yet, I'd love to see him explain how Russia can sustain 47k losses per village for the next 50 miles of villages, much less all the way thru Ukraine to the Polish border.

---

I've explained several times that Bakhmut's significance was symbolic. That's one reason it was a mistake for Ukraine to waste so many troops there (another is that they were needed for the counter-offensive). Avdiivka was the launch pad for Ukraine's attacks on Donetsk city and any potential move in that direction. Capturing it positions Russia to take Pokrovsk, which is a crucial logistics and supply hub.

Your question about sustaining 47K losses per village is an exceedingly odd one. Aside from the fact that it's way higher than any other estimate I've seen from Avdiivka, you seem to be assuming that other villages are equally well defended. This couldn't be farther from the truth. The Ukes put everything they had into making Avdiivka exceptionally well fortified. Without it they have very little to fall back on.

Of course they have also pulled more and more troops from other points on the front, giving Russia more and more opportunities. How you ever thought Ukraine wasn't losing the war of attrition remains a mystery, but the results are more evident by the week. Expect further developments around Robotyne, Lyman, and/or Kupiansk soon.

---

So you don't really understand he difference between the words "strategic" and "tactical."
Got it.

You also have everything else wrong, to include the meaning of the word "war of attrition."

---

I understand the words just fine. I assumed you did too, but at this point nothing surprises me. This loss will do enormous damage to the regime's credibility, by the way, if such a thing is still possible. Syrsky barely got the retreat order out in time to make it look planned, and Zelensky apparently wants to pursue criminal charges against some of the officers. It's obvious to everyone now that he should have listened to Zaluzhny. It would still have been a loss, but not a complete rout. He also sent in the Azov Brigade at the last minute, which was decimated, so now the Nazis are furious with him on top of everything else.

---

Every other line you wrote is complete nonsense. I'm sure your wife believes you are informed.

---

Have you read the thread? I could flip a coin and make better predictions than this "expert" I'm talking to. Now he tells us the Russians have taken five times the losses...sigh.

It's like I said when they started hyping the Big Offensive. Never get drunk on your own propaganda.

---

Not only are you a moron but you are an evil moron.

---

Don't lose your sense of humor. It's the best thing about your posts, and the second best is the fact you spelled your name right.

ron.reagan said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

---

KaiBear said:

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Has Russia lost ……YET ?

Has their economy crumbled due to our vaunted sanctions ?

When is the Ukrainian victory parade ?

---

Avdiivka is a major disaster for the Ukrainian side. It was more heavily fortified and more strategically important than Bakhmut, and it collapsed more precipitously than even pro-Russian analysts expected. The Ukes might have managed an orderly retreat if they'd started weeks ago, but of course Zelensky wouldn't allow it.

---

It was orderly, vatnik.

The rest is your usual Russian shilling and bending over.

---

Since he's never been able to explain why the small city of Bakhmut has any strategic significance, let's see if he can give the considerably easier explanation for why the three-street village of Avdiivka is of such "strategic importance" that it was worth the deaths of tens of thousands of Russian soldiers.

Better yet, I'd love to see him explain how Russia can sustain 47k losses per village for the next 50 miles of villages, much less all the way thru Ukraine to the Polish border.

---

I've explained several times that Bakhmut's significance was symbolic. That's one reason it was a mistake for Ukraine to waste so many troops there (another is that they were needed for the counter-offensive). Avdiivka was the launch pad for Ukraine's attacks on Donetsk city and any potential move in that direction. Capturing it positions Russia to take Pokrovsk, which is a crucial logistics and supply hub.

Your question about sustaining 47K losses per village is an exceedingly odd one. Aside from the fact that it's way higher than any other estimate I've seen from Avdiivka, you seem to be assuming that other villages are equally well defended. This couldn't be farther from the truth. The Ukes put everything they had into making Avdiivka exceptionally well fortified. Without it they have very little to fall back on.

Of course they have also pulled more and more troops from other points on the front, giving Russia more and more opportunities. How you ever thought Ukraine wasn't losing the war of attrition remains a mystery, but the results are more evident by the week. Expect further developments around Robotyne, Lyman, and/or Kupiansk soon.

---

So you don't really understand he difference between the words "strategic" and "tactical."
Got it.

You also have everything else wrong, to include the meaning of the word "war of attrition."

---

I understand the words just fine. I assumed you did too, but at this point nothing surprises me. This loss will do enormous damage to the regime's credibility, by the way, if such a thing is still possible. Syrsky barely got the retreat order out in time to make it look planned, and Zelensky apparently wants to pursue criminal charges against some of the officers. It's obvious to everyone now that he should have listened to Zaluzhny. It would still have been a loss, but not a complete rout. He also sent in the Azov Brigade at the last minute, which was decimated, so now the Nazis are furious with him on top of everything else.

---

Every other line you wrote is complete nonsense. I'm sure your wife believes you are informed.

---

Have you read the thread? I could flip a coin and make better predictions than this "expert" I'm talking to. Now he tells us the Russians have taken five times the losses...sigh.

It's like I said when they started hyping the Big Offensive. Never get drunk on your own propaganda.

---

Not only are you a moron but you are an evil moron.

---

Don't lose your sense of humor. It's the best thing about your posts, and the second best is the fact you spelled your name right.

---

Sorry Sammy, we aren't bonding here. You are an evil piece of ***** I only hope some Ukranians move in next door to you so you can explain how they shouldn't fight back against their country getting raped and murdered.

---

It was an insult, not an attempt at bonding. Too subtle for my own good, I guess. Anyway, I'll give you a serious response for whatever it's worth. Bear in mind that Putin considers the liberated oblasts to be Russian territory and its citizens Russian people. The last thing he wants to do is harm them. This is borne out by UN statistics. People in places like Avdiivka have been asked to leave, and almost all of them have. There are only about 1,000 civilians left there, most of them living underground. Every one of those buildings was full of Ukrainian troops and nothing else. So regardless of whatever emotional slam dunk you're going for with the propaganda photos, they say nothing about the war except that...it's a war. And this particular turn of events will bring nothing but benefit for the people of Donetsk who have been under constant attack by your fascist friends for the last ten years. If you want to see what evil is, take a look at our Western leaders who throw away hundreds of thousands of lives just to make loot for their cronies and give you the warm fuzzies inside. The world would be a much better place if you found something else to jerk off to and left Ukraine alone.

Sam Lowry said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

---

KaiBear said:

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Has Russia lost ……YET ?

Has their economy crumbled due to our vaunted sanctions ?

When is the Ukrainian victory parade ?

---

Avdiivka is a major disaster for the Ukrainian side. It was more heavily fortified and more strategically important than Bakhmut, and it collapsed more precipitously than even pro-Russian analysts expected. The Ukes might have managed an orderly retreat if they'd started weeks ago, but of course Zelensky wouldn't allow it.

---

It was orderly, vatnik.

The rest is your usual Russian shilling and bending over.

---

Since he's never been able to explain why the small city of Bakhmut has any strategic significance, let's see if he can give the considerably easier explanation for why the three-street village of Avdiivka is of such "strategic importance" that it was worth the deaths of tens of thousands of Russian soldiers.

Better yet, I'd love to see him explain how Russia can sustain 47k losses per village for the next 50 miles of villages, much less all the way thru Ukraine to the Polish border.

---

I've explained several times that Bakhmut's significance was symbolic. That's one reason it was a mistake for Ukraine to waste so many troops there (another is that they were needed for the counter-offensive). Avdiivka was the launch pad for Ukraine's attacks on Donetsk city and any potential move in that direction. Capturing it positions Russia to take Pokrovsk, which is a crucial logistics and supply hub.

Your question about sustaining 47K losses per village is an exceedingly odd one. Aside from the fact that it's way higher than any other estimate I've seen from Avdiivka, you seem to be assuming that other villages are equally well defended. This couldn't be farther from the truth. The Ukes put everything they had into making Avdiivka exceptionally well fortified. Without it they have very little to fall back on.

Of course they have also pulled more and more troops from other points on the front, giving Russia more and more opportunities. How you ever thought Ukraine wasn't losing the war of attrition remains a mystery, but the results are more evident by the week. Expect further developments around Robotyne, Lyman, and/or Kupiansk soon.

---

So you don't really understand he difference between the words "strategic" and "tactical."
Got it.

You also have everything else wrong, to include the meaning of the word "war of attrition."

---

I understand the words just fine. I assumed you did too, but at this point nothing surprises me. This loss will do enormous damage to the regime's credibility, by the way, if such a thing is still possible. Syrsky barely got the retreat order out in time to make it look planned, and Zelensky apparently wants to pursue criminal charges against some of the officers. It's obvious to everyone now that he should have listened to Zaluzhny. It would still have been a loss, but not a complete rout. He also sent in the Azov Brigade at the last minute, which was decimated, so now the Nazis are furious with him on top of everything else.

---

Every other line you wrote is complete nonsense. I'm sure your wife believes you are informed.

---

Have you read the thread? I could flip a coin and make better predictions than this "expert" I'm talking to. Now he tells us the Russians have taken five times the losses...sigh.

It's like I said when they started hyping the Big Offensive. Never get drunk on your own propaganda.

---

Not only are you a moron but you are an evil moron.

---

Don't lose your sense of humor. It's the best thing about your posts, and the second best is the fact you spelled your name right.

---

Sorry Sammy, we aren't bonding here. You are an evil piece of ***** I only hope some Ukranians move in next door to you so you can explain how they shouldn't fight back against their country getting raped and murdered.

---

It was an insult, not an attempt at bonding. Too subtle for my own good, I guess. Anyway, I'll give you a serious response for whatever it's worth. Bear in mind that Putin considers the liberated oblasts to be Russian territory and its citizens Russian people. The last thing he wants to do is harm them. This is borne out by UN statistics. People in places like Avdiivka have been encouraged to leave, and almost all of them have. There are only about 1,000 civilians left there, most of them living underground. Every one of those buildings was full of Ukrainian troops and nothing else. So regardless of whatever emotional slam dunk you're going for with the propaganda photos, they say nothing about the war except that...it's a war. And this particular turn of events will bring nothing but benefit for the people of Donetsk who have been under constant attack by your fascist friends for the last ten years. If you want to see what evil is, take a look at our Western leaders who throw away hundreds of thousands of lives just to make loot for their cronies and give you the warm fuzzies inside. The world would be a better place if you found something else to jerk off to and left Ukraine alone.

---

Gets called evil, doubles down on evil and lies.

"Donetsk under constant attack" myth...LOL.

Bear8084 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

---

whiterock said:

---

Bear8084 said:

---

Sam Lowry said:

---

KaiBear said:

---

Has Russia lost ……YET ?

Has their economy crumbled due to our vaunted sanctions ?

When is the Ukrainian victory parade ?

---

Avdiivka is a major disaster for the Ukrainian side. It was more heavily fortified and more strategically important than Bakhmut, and it collapsed more precipitously than even pro-Russian analysts expected. The Ukes might have managed an orderly retreat if they'd started weeks ago, but of course Zelensky wouldn't allow it.

---

It was orderly, vatnik.

The rest is your usual Russian shilling and bending over.

---

Since he's never been able to explain why the small city of Bakhmut has any strategic significance, let's see if he can give the considerably easier explanation for why the three-street village of Avdiivka is of such "strategic importance" that it was worth the deaths of tens of thousands of Russian soldiers.

Better yet, I'd love to see him explain how Russia can sustain 47k losses per village for the next 50 miles of villages, much less all the way thru Ukraine to the Polish border.

---

I've explained several times that Bakhmut's significance was symbolic. That's one reason it was a mistake for Ukraine to waste so many troops there (another is that they were needed for the counter-offensive). Avdiivka was the launch pad for Ukraine's attacks on Donetsk city and any potential move in that direction. Capturing it positions Russia to take Pokrovsk, which is a crucial logistics and supply hub.

Your question about sustaining 47K losses per village is an exceedingly odd one. Aside from the fact that it's way higher than any other estimate I've seen from Avdiivka, you seem to be assuming that other villages are equally well defended. This couldn't be farther from the truth. The Ukes put everything they had into making Avdiivka exceptionally well fortified. Without it they have very little to fall back on.

Of course they have also pulled more and more troops from other points on the front, giving Russia more and more opportunities. How you ever thought Ukraine wasn't losing the war of attrition remains a mystery, but the results are more evident by the week. Expect further developments around Robotyne, Lyman, and/or Kupiansk soon.

---

So you don't really understand he difference between the words "strategic" and "tactical."
Got it.

You also have everything else wrong, to include the meaning of the word "war of attrition."

---

I understand the words just fine. I assumed you did too, but at this point nothing surprises me. This loss will do enormous damage to the regime's credibility, by the way, if such a thing is still possible. Syrsky barely got the retreat order out in time to make it look planned, and Zelensky apparently wants to pursue criminal charges against some of the officers. It's obvious to everyone now that he should have listened to Zaluzhny. It would still have been a loss, but not a complete rout. He also sent in the Azov Brigade at the last minute, which was decimated, so now the Nazis are furious with him on top of everything else.

---

Every other line you wrote is complete nonsense. I'm sure your wife believes you are informed.

---

Have you read the thread? I could flip a coin and make better predictions than this "expert" I'm talking to. Now he tells us the Russians have taken five times the losses...sigh.

It's like I said when they started hyping the Big Offensive. Never get drunk on your own propaganda.

---

Not only are you a moron but you are an evil moron.

---

Don't lose your sense of humor. It's the best thing about your posts, and the second best is the fact you spelled your name right.

---

Sorry Sammy, we aren't bonding here. You are an evil piece of ***** I only hope some Ukranians move in next door to you so you can explain how they shouldn't fight back against their country getting raped and murdered.

---

It was an insult, not an attempt at bonding. Too subtle for my own good, I guess. Anyway, I'll give you a serious response for whatever it's worth. Bear in mind that Putin considers the liberated oblasts to be Russian territory and its citizens Russian people. The last thing he wants to do is harm them. This is borne out by UN statistics. People in places like Avdiivka have been encouraged to leave, and almost all of them have. There are only about 1,000 civilians left there, most of them living underground. Every one of those buildings was full of Ukrainian troops and nothing else. So regardless of whatever emotional slam dunk you're going for with the propaganda photos, they say nothing about the war except that...it's a war. And this particular turn of events will bring nothing but benefit for the people of Donetsk who have been under constant attack by your fascist friends for the last ten years. If you want to see what evil is, take a look at our Western leaders who throw away hundreds of thousands of lives just to make loot for their cronies and give you the warm fuzzies inside. The world would be a better place if you found something else to jerk off to and left Ukraine alone.

---

Gets called evil, doubles down on evil and lies.

"Donetsk under constant attack" myth...LOL.

---

It's too bad they can't load howitzers with lies, or you could supply Ukraine single-handed.

Sam Lowry said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

---

whiterock said:

---

Bear8084 said:

---

Sam Lowry said:

---

KaiBear said:

---

Has Russia lost ……YET ?

Has their economy crumbled due to our vaunted sanctions ?

When is the Ukrainian victory parade ?

---

Avdiivka is a major disaster for the Ukrainian side. It was more heavily fortified and more strategically important than Bakhmut, and it collapsed more precipitously than even pro-Russian analysts expected. The Ukes might have managed an orderly retreat if they'd started weeks ago, but of course Zelensky wouldn't allow it.

---

It was orderly, vatnik.

The rest is your usual Russian shilling and bending over.

---

Since he's never been able to explain why the small city of Bakhmut has any strategic significance, let's see if he can give the considerably easier explanation for why the three-street village of Avdiivka is of such "strategic importance" that it was worth the deaths of tens of thousands of Russian soldiers.

Better yet, I'd love to see him explain how Russia can sustain 47k losses per village for the next 50 miles of villages, much less all the way thru Ukraine to the Polish border.

---

I've explained several times that Bakhmut's significance was symbolic. That's one reason it was a mistake for Ukraine to waste so many troops there (another is that they were needed for the counter-offensive). Avdiivka was the launch pad for Ukraine's attacks on Donetsk city and any potential move in that direction. Capturing it positions Russia to take Pokrovsk, which is a crucial logistics and supply hub.

Your question about sustaining 47K losses per village is an exceedingly odd one. Aside from the fact that it's way higher than any other estimate I've seen from Avdiivka, you seem to be assuming that other villages are equally well defended. This couldn't be farther from the truth. The Ukes put everything they had into making Avdiivka exceptionally well fortified. Without it they have very little to fall back on.

Of course they have also pulled more and more troops from other points on the front, giving Russia more and more opportunities. How you ever thought Ukraine wasn't losing the war of attrition remains a mystery, but the results are more evident by the week. Expect further developments around Robotyne, Lyman, and/or Kupiansk soon.

---

So you don't really understand he difference between the words "strategic" and "tactical."
Got it.

You also have everything else wrong, to include the meaning of the word "war of attrition."

---

I understand the words just fine. I assumed you did too, but at this point nothing surprises me. This loss will do enormous damage to the regime's credibility, by the way, if such a thing is still possible. Syrsky barely got the retreat order out in time to make it look planned, and Zelensky apparently wants to pursue criminal charges against some of the officers. It's obvious to everyone now that he should have listened to Zaluzhny. It would still have been a loss, but not a complete rout. He also sent in the Azov Brigade at the last minute, which was decimated, so now the Nazis are furious with him on top of everything else.

---

Every other line you wrote is complete nonsense. I'm sure your wife believes you are informed.

---

Have you read the thread? I could flip a coin and make better predictions than this "expert" I'm talking to. Now he tells us the Russians have taken five times the losses...sigh.

It's like I said when they started hyping the Big Offensive. Never get drunk on your own propaganda.

---

Not only are you a moron but you are an evil moron.

---

Don't lose your sense of humor. It's the best thing about your posts, and the second best is the fact you spelled your name right.

---

Sorry Sammy, we aren't bonding here. You are an evil piece of ***** I only hope some Ukranians move in next door to you so you can explain how they shouldn't fight back against their country getting raped and murdered.

---

It was an insult, not an attempt at bonding. Too subtle for my own good, I guess. Anyway, I'll give you a serious response for whatever it's worth. Bear in mind that Putin considers the liberated oblasts to be Russian territory and its citizens Russian people. The last thing he wants to do is harm them. This is borne out by UN statistics. People in places like Avdiivka have been encouraged to leave, and almost all of them have. There are only about 1,000 civilians left there, most of them living underground. Every one of those buildings was full of Ukrainian troops and nothing else. So regardless of whatever emotional slam dunk you're going for with the propaganda photos, they say nothing about the war except that...it's a war. And this particular turn of events will bring nothing but benefit for the people of Donetsk who have been under constant attack by your fascist friends for the last ten years. If you want to see what evil is, take a look at our Western leaders who throw away hundreds of thousands of lives just to make loot for their cronies and give you the warm fuzzies inside. The world would be a better place if you found something else to jerk off to and left Ukraine alone.

---

Gets called evil, doubles down on evil and lies.

"Donetsk under constant attack" myth...LOL.

---

It's too bad they can't load howitzers with lies, or you could supply Ukraine single-handed.

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Lol! Uh huh.

ron.reagan said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

---

whiterock said:

---

Bear8084 said:

---

Sam Lowry said:

---

KaiBear said:

---

Has Russia lost ……YET ?

Has their economy crumbled due to our vaunted sanctions ?

When is the Ukrainian victory parade ?

---

Avdiivka is a major disaster for the Ukrainian side. It was more heavily fortified and more strategically important than Bakhmut, and it collapsed more precipitously than even pro-Russian analysts expected. The Ukes might have managed an orderly retreat if they'd started weeks ago, but of course Zelensky wouldn't allow it.

---

It was orderly, vatnik.

The rest is your usual Russian shilling and bending over.

---

Since he's never been able to explain why the small city of Bakhmut has any strategic significance, let's see if he can give the considerably easier explanation for why the three-street village of Avdiivka is of such "strategic importance" that it was worth the deaths of tens of thousands of Russian soldiers.

Better yet, I'd love to see him explain how Russia can sustain 47k losses per village for the next 50 miles of villages, much less all the way thru Ukraine to the Polish border.

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I've explained several times that Bakhmut's significance was symbolic. That's one reason it was a mistake for Ukraine to waste so many troops there (another is that they were needed for the counter-offensive). Avdiivka was the launch pad for Ukraine's attacks on Donetsk city and any potential move in that direction. Capturing it positions Russia to take Pokrovsk, which is a crucial logistics and supply hub.

Your question about sustaining 47K losses per village is an exceedingly odd one. Aside from the fact that it's way higher than any other estimate I've seen from Avdiivka, you seem to be assuming that other villages are equally well defended. This couldn't be farther from the truth. The Ukes put everything they had into making Avdiivka exceptionally well fortified. Without it they have very little to fall back on.

Of course they have also pulled more and more troops from other points on the front, giving Russia more and more opportunities. How you ever thought Ukraine wasn't losing the war of attrition remains a mystery, but the results are more evident by the week. Expect further developments around Robotyne, Lyman, and/or Kupiansk soon.

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So you don't really understand he difference between the words "strategic" and "tactical."
Got it.

You also have everything else wrong, to include the meaning of the word "war of attrition."

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I understand the words just fine. I assumed you did too, but at this point nothing surprises me. This loss will do enormous damage to the regime's credibility, by the way, if such a thing is still possible. Syrsky barely got the retreat order out in time to make it look planned, and Zelensky apparently wants to pursue criminal charges against some of the officers. It's obvious to everyone now that he should have listened to Zaluzhny. It would still have been a loss, but not a complete rout. He also sent in the Azov Brigade at the last minute, which was decimated, so now the Nazis are furious with him on top of everything else.

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Every other line you wrote is complete nonsense. I'm sure your wife believes you are informed.

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Have you read the thread? I could flip a coin and make better predictions than this "expert" I'm talking to. Now he tells us the Russians have taken five times the losses...sigh.

It's like I said when they started hyping the Big Offensive. Never get drunk on your own propaganda.

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Not only are you a moron but you are an evil moron.

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Don't lose your sense of humor. It's the best thing about your posts, and the second best is the fact you spelled your name right.

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Sorry Sammy, we aren't bonding here. You are an evil piece of ***** I only hope some Ukranians move in next door to you so you can explain how they shouldn't fight back against their country getting raped and murdered.

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You and Sam disagree on this subject and he is evil? Very Trump of you

I disagree with Sam on this subject. That doesn't make him evil or a moron

Sweden comes through with the largest defense package of the war, giving Ukraine another $700,000,000 in secret military aid for crushing the barbaric hordes. pic.twitter.com/zBih9WyBLK

— Jay in Kyiv (@JayinKyiv) February 20, 2024

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Sweden comes through with the largest defense package of the war, giving Ukraine another $700,000,000 in secret military aid for crushing the barbaric hordes. pic.twitter.com/zBih9WyBLK

— Jay in Kyiv (@JayinKyiv) February 20, 2024

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Is it secret military aid if they post it on X?