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In reply to FLBear5630 • 5:35a, 2/24/24
FLBear5630 said:
You think Trump is a conservative? Trump is for Trump. No different than the Russian Oligarchs. He is for Trump making money and having power. He is nobodies Champion but his own.


Trump isn't conservative. He is transactional. The same could be said about most politicians and business people. The question is, what are the guardrails to someone like that behaving in a purely transactional manner to the detriment of America? Love of country, religious faith, what exactly?

Someone like Biden has no guardrails. He is perfectly willing to watch the world burn for his self interest and will sign a deal with the devil to make it happen. You are living through that right now.

Despite not being a "conservative" or having a deep religious faith Trump's guardrail is a love of country. Given where most CEOs and politicians have none, that's a win, and a big one.

Frankly, "conservative" as a political term is a dead letter because forty years post Reagan there is nothing left to conserve. What you need is a disruptor candidate, an Anti-Obama.

RDS, Trump, and RFK are the only three this cycle that fit that description.
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In reply to Realitybites • 12:38p, 2/24/24
Realitybites said:
FLBear5630 said:
You think Trump is a conservative? Trump is for Trump. No different than the Russian Oligarchs. He is for Trump making money and having power. He is nobodies Champion but his own.


Trump isn't conservative. He is transactional...


Honeslty it's the best thing about Trump.

He understands it's a two way relationship with his voters and that he has to do something for them


Vs respectable republicans like Bush and Nikki who do nothing for their voters and actively betray them for the donor class



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In reply to KaiBear • 2:18p, 2/24/24
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Bear8084 said:
Doc Holliday said:
Bear8084 said:
Sam Lowry said:
Video is 30+ minutes, and it only took the slime machine three minutes to start churning. You are definitely earning your pay!


You simp for Russia and post obvious lies, disgusting comments, disinformation and straight-up propaganda. I wouldn't be talking about slime machines or earning pay when it's quite obvious you're shilling for Putin.

And "liberation".....LOL. Vatnik please.
Is questioning our actions in regard to Ukraine always considered pro Russian?

Is having a negative or questionable opinion of what the US is doing unacceptable?


Because it is.


So to be a loyal American one must accept and believe whatever our government tells us ?
How about not take Foreign Nations side against your Country? Pretty low bar.

I am a big ugly baby person. Argue among ourselves, but when people start taking foreigners side, go live there...


(Not saying you are doing that, just my answer to your question)
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 8:24p, 2/24/24
Redbrickbear said:
Realitybites said:
FLBear5630 said:
You think Trump is a conservative? Trump is for Trump. No different than the Russian Oligarchs. He is for Trump making money and having power. He is nobodies Champion but his own.


Trump isn't conservative. He is transactional...


Honeslty it's the best thing about Trump.

He understands it's a two way relationship with his voters and that he has to do something for them


Vs respectable republicans like Bush and Nikki who do nothing for their voters and actively betray them for the donor class





Fair point.

Trump does try to accommodate his supporters.

If only he could keep his mouth shut while doing it
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In reply to KaiBear • 10:08a, 2/25/24
KaiBear said:
Redbrickbear said:
Realitybites said:
FLBear5630 said:
You think Trump is a conservative? Trump is for Trump. No different than the Russian Oligarchs. He is for Trump making money and having power. He is nobodies Champion but his own.


Trump isn't conservative. He is transactional...


Honeslty it's the best thing about Trump.

He understands it's a two way relationship with his voters and that he has to do something for them


Vs respectable republicans like Bush and Nikki who do nothing for their voters and actively betray them for the donor class





Fair point.

Trump does try to accommodate his supporters.

If only he could keep his mouth shut while doing it
Not sure it's a fair point.

Trump plays to the Christian crowd more than any other candidate I've seen. He plays us like a piano.

And I'm still not sure what Trump did for us. He left us with Biden and hugely disappointing Dem majorities/slim GOP majorities. Spent like a drunken sailor. All talk on the border. Effectively raised taxes through tariffs. Jan 6. Poor COVID response. And countless civil and criminal trials, not only his but thousands of his supporters locked up, bankrupt, or currently on trial.

Yes, the Supreme Court, but any GOP Pres would have selected through the Fed Society, and Biden has killed the more important lower courts.
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In reply to sombear • 10:47a, 2/25/24
sombear said:
KaiBear said:
Redbrickbear said:
Realitybites said:
FLBear5630 said:
You think Trump is a conservative? Trump is for Trump. No different than the Russian Oligarchs. He is for Trump making money and having power. He is nobodies Champion but his own.


Trump isn't conservative. He is transactional...


Honeslty it's the best thing about Trump.

He understands it's a two way relationship with his voters and that he has to do something for them


Vs respectable republicans like Bush and Nikki who do nothing for their voters and actively betray them for the donor class





Fair point.

Trump does try to accommodate his supporters.

If only he could keep his mouth shut while doing it


Trump plays to the Christian crowd more than any other candidate I've seen. He plays us like a piano.



Literally not true.

Poll after poll shows that Trump is more popular with non-committed Christians and those who don't go to church much if at all.

While he has lower levels of approval among committed Christians.

Many serious Christians hold their nose and vote for Trump (because the other party has become a truly radical anti-religious party and anti-white racialist party)

But they do not love Trump and never will.
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 12:56p, 2/25/24
Redbrickbear said:
sombear said:
KaiBear said:
Redbrickbear said:
Realitybites said:
FLBear5630 said:
You think Trump is a conservative? Trump is for Trump. No different than the Russian Oligarchs. He is for Trump making money and having power. He is nobodies Champion but his own.


Trump isn't conservative. He is transactional...


Honeslty it's the best thing about Trump.

He understands it's a two way relationship with his voters and that he has to do something for them


Vs respectable republicans like Bush and Nikki who do nothing for their voters and actively betray them for the donor class





Fair point.

Trump does try to accommodate his supporters.

If only he could keep his mouth shut while doing it


Trump plays to the Christian crowd more than any other candidate I've seen. He plays us like a piano.



Literally not true.

Poll after poll shows that Trump is more popular with non-committed Christians and those who don't go to church much if at all.

While he has lower levels of approval among committed Christians.

Many serious Christians hold their nose and vote for Trump (because the other party has become a truly radical anti-religious party and anti-white racialist party)

But they do not love Trump and never will.


Trump did better with self-described white evangelicals than W, McCain, and Romney.

But my point was about Trump campaigning for that vote. He surrounded himself with evangelical preachers and other influential members like no candidates before him.
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In reply to sombear • 3:02p, 2/25/24
sombear said:
Redbrickbear said:
sombear said:
KaiBear said:
Redbrickbear said:
Realitybites said:
FLBear5630 said:
You think Trump is a conservative? Trump is for Trump. No different than the Russian Oligarchs. He is for Trump making money and having power. He is nobodies Champion but his own.


Trump isn't conservative. He is transactional...


Honeslty it's the best thing about Trump.

He understands it's a two way relationship with his voters and that he has to do something for them


Vs respectable republicans like Bush and Nikki who do nothing for their voters and actively betray them for the donor class





Fair point.

Trump does try to accommodate his supporters.

If only he could keep his mouth shut while doing it


Trump plays to the Christian crowd more than any other candidate I've seen. He plays us like a piano.



Literally not true.

Poll after poll shows that Trump is more popular with non-committed Christians and those who don't go to church much if at all.

While he has lower levels of approval among committed Christians.

Many serious Christians hold their nose and vote for Trump (because the other party has become a truly radical anti-religious party and anti-white racialist party)

But they do not love Trump and never will.


Trump did better with self-described white evangelicals than W, McCain, and Romney.

But my point was about Trump campaigning for that vote. He surrounded himself with evangelical preachers and other influential members like no candidates before him.



[Yet when we split the sample by church attendance, we found only 48% of white evangelical Republicans who attend at least monthly planned on voting for Trump, compared to 61% of those who attend less than once a month. ]



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In reply to sombear • 3:47p, 2/25/24
sombear said:
Redbrickbear said:
sombear said:
KaiBear said:
Redbrickbear said:
Realitybites said:
FLBear5630 said:
You think Trump is a conservative? Trump is for Trump. No different than the Russian Oligarchs. He is for Trump making money and having power. He is nobodies Champion but his own.


Trump isn't conservative. He is transactional...


Honeslty it's the best thing about Trump.

He understands it's a two way relationship with his voters and that he has to do something for them


Vs respectable republicans like Bush and Nikki who do nothing for their voters and actively betray them for the donor class





Fair point.

Trump does try to accommodate his supporters.

If only he could keep his mouth shut while doing it


Trump plays to the Christian crowd more than any other candidate I've seen. He plays us like a piano.



Literally not true.

Poll after poll shows that Trump is more popular with non-committed Christians and those who don't go to church much if at all.

While he has lower levels of approval among committed Christians.

Many serious Christians hold their nose and vote for Trump (because the other party has become a truly radical anti-religious party and anti-white racialist party)

But they do not love Trump and never will.


Trump did better with self-described white evangelicals than W, McCain, and Romney.

But my point was about Trump campaigning for that vote. He surrounded himself with evangelical preachers and other influential members like no candidates before him.
Couldn't never understand why in the hell would ministers support that heathen? I give you the all time evangelical clown,, Robert Jeffress. What an idiot.
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 5:11p, 2/25/24
Redbrickbear said:
sombear said:
Redbrickbear said:
sombear said:
KaiBear said:
Redbrickbear said:
Realitybites said:
FLBear5630 said:
You think Trump is a conservative? Trump is for Trump. No different than the Russian Oligarchs. He is for Trump making money and having power. He is nobodies Champion but his own.


Trump isn't conservative. He is transactional...


Honeslty it's the best thing about Trump.

He understands it's a two way relationship with his voters and that he has to do something for them


Vs respectable republicans like Bush and Nikki who do nothing for their voters and actively betray them for the donor class





Fair point.

Trump does try to accommodate his supporters.

If only he could keep his mouth shut while doing it


Trump plays to the Christian crowd more than any other candidate I've seen. He plays us like a piano.



Literally not true.

Poll after poll shows that Trump is more popular with non-committed Christians and those who don't go to church much if at all.

While he has lower levels of approval among committed Christians.

Many serious Christians hold their nose and vote for Trump (because the other party has become a truly radical anti-religious party and anti-white racialist party)

But they do not love Trump and never will.


Trump did better with self-described white evangelicals than W, McCain, and Romney.

But my point was about Trump campaigning for that vote. He surrounded himself with evangelical preachers and other influential members like no candidates before him.



[Yet when we split the sample by church attendance, we found only 48% of white evangelical Republicans who attend at least monthly planned on voting for Trump, compared to 61% of those who attend less than once a month. ]





Trump got 75-85% of the WE vote
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In reply to sombear • 6:07p, 2/25/24
sombear said:
Redbrickbear said:
sombear said:
Redbrickbear said:
sombear said:
KaiBear said:
Redbrickbear said:
Realitybites said:
FLBear5630 said:
You think Trump is a conservative? Trump is for Trump. No different than the Russian Oligarchs. He is for Trump making money and having power. He is nobodies Champion but his own.


Trump isn't conservative. He is transactional...


Honeslty it's the best thing about Trump.

He understands it's a two way relationship with his voters and that he has to do something for them


Vs respectable republicans like Bush and Nikki who do nothing for their voters and actively betray them for the donor class





Fair point.

Trump does try to accommodate his supporters.

If only he could keep his mouth shut while doing it


Trump plays to the Christian crowd more than any other candidate I've seen. He plays us like a piano.



Literally not true.

Poll after poll shows that Trump is more popular with non-committed Christians and those who don't go to church much if at all.

While he has lower levels of approval among committed Christians.

Many serious Christians hold their nose and vote for Trump (because the other party has become a truly radical anti-religious party and anti-white racialist party)

But they do not love Trump and never will.


Trump did better with self-described white evangelicals than W, McCain, and Romney.

But my point was about Trump campaigning for that vote. He surrounded himself with evangelical preachers and other influential members like no candidates before him.



[Yet when we split the sample by church attendance, we found only 48% of white evangelical Republicans who attend at least monthly planned on voting for Trump, compared to 61% of those who attend less than once a month. ]





Trump got 75-85% of the WE vote



No one said he did not

The point is less church going (not more) is correlated with Trump support.

Read the articles. Committed church goers vote for Trump but they hold their nose to do so

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In reply to J.R. • 6:10p, 2/25/24
J.R. said:
sombear said:
Redbrickbear said:
sombear said:
KaiBear said:
Redbrickbear said:
Realitybites said:
FLBear5630 said:
You think Trump is a conservative? Trump is for Trump. No different than the Russian Oligarchs. He is for Trump making money and having power. He is nobodies Champion but his own.


Trump isn't conservative. He is transactional...


Honeslty it's the best thing about Trump.

He understands it's a two way relationship with his voters and that he has to do something for them


Vs respectable republicans like Bush and Nikki who do nothing for their voters and actively betray them for the donor class





Fair point.

Trump does try to accommodate his supporters.

If only he could keep his mouth shut while doing it


Trump plays to the Christian crowd more than any other candidate I've seen. He plays us like a piano.



Literally not true.

Poll after poll shows that Trump is more popular with non-committed Christians and those who don't go to church much if at all.

While he has lower levels of approval among committed Christians.

Many serious Christians hold their nose and vote for Trump (because the other party has become a truly radical anti-religious party and anti-white racialist party)

But they do not love Trump and never will.


Trump did better with self-described white evangelicals than W, McCain, and Romney.

But my point was about Trump campaigning for that vote. He surrounded himself with evangelical preachers and other influential members like no candidates before him.
Couldn't never understand why in the hell would ministers support that heathen? I give you the all time evangelical clown,, Robert Jeffress. What an idiot.



1. Because Republican "Christians" like the Bush family have shown themselves to be wolves in sheep's clothing.


They do nothing for their base and just get us into more wars.


2. The Democratic Party is a functionally anti-religious party.


3. Christianity is in institutional decline in the USA. You are seeing with Trump the rise of the post-religious right.


If you hated the old Christian conservative coalition you are really gonna be afraid of the post-religious Right
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 6:26p, 2/25/24
Redbrickbear said:
J.R. said:
sombear said:
Redbrickbear said:
sombear said:
KaiBear said:
Redbrickbear said:
Realitybites said:
FLBear5630 said:
You think Trump is a conservative? Trump is for Trump. No different than the Russian Oligarchs. He is for Trump making money and having power. He is nobodies Champion but his own.


Trump isn't conservative. He is transactional...


Honeslty it's the best thing about Trump.

He understands it's a two way relationship with his voters and that he has to do something for them


Vs respectable republicans like Bush and Nikki who do nothing for their voters and actively betray them for the donor class





Fair point.

Trump does try to accommodate his supporters.

If only he could keep his mouth shut while doing it


Trump plays to the Christian crowd more than any other candidate I've seen. He plays us like a piano.



Literally not true.

Poll after poll shows that Trump is more popular with non-committed Christians and those who don't go to church much if at all.

While he has lower levels of approval among committed Christians.

Many serious Christians hold their nose and vote for Trump (because the other party has become a truly radical anti-religious party and anti-white racialist party)

But they do not love Trump and never will.


Trump did better with self-described white evangelicals than W, McCain, and Romney.

But my point was about Trump campaigning for that vote. He surrounded himself with evangelical preachers and other influential members like no candidates before him.
Couldn't never understand why in the hell would ministers support that heathen? I give you the all time evangelical clown,, Robert Jeffress. What an idiot.



1. Because Republican "Christians" like the Bush family have shown themselves to be wolves in sheep's clothing.


They do nothing for their base and just get us into more wars.


2. The Democratic Party is a functionally anti-religious party.


3. Christianity is in institutional decline in the USA. You are seeing with Trump the rise of the post-religious right.


If you hated the old Christian conservative coalition you are really gonna be afraid of the post-religious Right
Agree. The Post-Religious Right is downright scary. Might makes right to them, better either have a ton of money or a lot of ammunition...
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 6:47p, 2/25/24
Redbrickbear said:
sombear said:
Redbrickbear said:
sombear said:
Redbrickbear said:
sombear said:
KaiBear said:
Redbrickbear said:
Realitybites said:
FLBear5630 said:
You think Trump is a conservative? Trump is for Trump. No different than the Russian Oligarchs. He is for Trump making money and having power. He is nobodies Champion but his own.


Trump isn't conservative. He is transactional...


Honeslty it's the best thing about Trump.

He understands it's a two way relationship with his voters and that he has to do something for them


Vs respectable republicans like Bush and Nikki who do nothing for their voters and actively betray them for the donor class





Fair point.

Trump does try to accommodate his supporters.

If only he could keep his mouth shut while doing it


Trump plays to the Christian crowd more than any other candidate I've seen. He plays us like a piano.



Literally not true.

Poll after poll shows that Trump is more popular with non-committed Christians and those who don't go to church much if at all.

While he has lower levels of approval among committed Christians.

Many serious Christians hold their nose and vote for Trump (because the other party has become a truly radical anti-religious party and anti-white racialist party)

But they do not love Trump and never will.


Trump did better with self-described white evangelicals than W, McCain, and Romney.

But my point was about Trump campaigning for that vote. He surrounded himself with evangelical preachers and other influential members like no candidates before him.



[Yet when we split the sample by church attendance, we found only 48% of white evangelical Republicans who attend at least monthly planned on voting for Trump, compared to 61% of those who attend less than once a month. ]





Trump got 75-85% of the WE vote



No one said he did not

The point is less church going (not more) is correlated with Trump support.

Read the articles. Committed church goers vote for Trump but they hold their nose to do so

I'm not convinced of this.

They may say that, but then Trump dominates primaries over solid Christians with similar policy views. That's not holding your nose and voting for Trump over Hillary and Biden.
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 7:51p, 2/25/24
Redbrickbear said:
J.R. said:
sombear said:
Redbrickbear said:
sombear said:
KaiBear said:
Redbrickbear said:
Realitybites said:
FLBear5630 said:
You think Trump is a conservative? Trump is for Trump. No different than the Russian Oligarchs. He is for Trump making money and having power. He is nobodies Champion but his own.


Trump isn't conservative. He is transactional...


Honeslty it's the best thing about Trump.

He understands it's a two way relationship with his voters and that he has to do something for them


Vs respectable republicans like Bush and Nikki who do nothing for their voters and actively betray them for the donor class





Fair point.

Trump does try to accommodate his supporters.

If only he could keep his mouth shut while doing it


Trump plays to the Christian crowd more than any other candidate I've seen. He plays us like a piano.



Literally not true.

Poll after poll shows that Trump is more popular with non-committed Christians and those who don't go to church much if at all.

While he has lower levels of approval among committed Christians.

Many serious Christians hold their nose and vote for Trump (because the other party has become a truly radical anti-religious party and anti-white racialist party)

But they do not love Trump and never will.


Trump did better with self-described white evangelicals than W, McCain, and Romney.

But my point was about Trump campaigning for that vote. He surrounded himself with evangelical preachers and other influential members like no candidates before him.
Couldn't never understand why in the hell would ministers support that heathen? I give you the all time evangelical clown,, Robert Jeffress. What an idiot.



1. Because Republican "Christians" like the Bush family have shown themselves to be wolves in sheep's clothing.


They do nothing for their base and just get us into more wars.


2. The Democratic Party is a functionally anti-religious party.


3. Christianity is in institutional decline in the USA. You are seeing with Trump the rise of the post-religious right.


If you hated the old Christian conservative coalition you are really gonna be afraid of the post-religious Right
I'm totally calling bull**** on most of this nonsense and FRWNJ. 1). I know 43 and you can quarrel with his Presidency, however, he is one of the best Christian men you can find. That is a fact. You have Zero Idea what you are talking about. Zero. 2) Don't agree with that assertion at all , I know many, many Dems that are fine, Christian and Jewish folks. 3) Ain't no freaking way Trump is Christian. No freaking way.
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In reply to J.R. • 10:43p, 2/25/24
J.R. said:
Redbrickbear said:
J.R. said:
sombear said:
Redbrickbear said:
sombear said:
KaiBear said:
Redbrickbear said:
Realitybites said:
FLBear5630 said:
You think Trump is a conservative? Trump is for Trump. No different than the Russian Oligarchs. He is for Trump making money and having power. He is nobodies Champion but his own.


Trump isn't conservative. He is transactional...


Honeslty it's the best thing about Trump.

He understands it's a two way relationship with his voters and that he has to do something for them


Vs respectable republicans like Bush and Nikki who do nothing for their voters and actively betray them for the donor class





Fair point.

Trump does try to accommodate his supporters.

If only he could keep his mouth shut while doing it


Trump plays to the Christian crowd more than any other candidate I've seen. He plays us like a piano.



Literally not true.

Poll after poll shows that Trump is more popular with non-committed Christians and those who don't go to church much if at all.

While he has lower levels of approval among committed Christians.

Many serious Christians hold their nose and vote for Trump (because the other party has become a truly radical anti-religious party and anti-white racialist party)

But they do not love Trump and never will.


Trump did better with self-described white evangelicals than W, McCain, and Romney.

But my point was about Trump campaigning for that vote. He surrounded himself with evangelical preachers and other influential members like no candidates before him.
Couldn't never understand why in the hell would ministers support that heathen? I give you the all time evangelical clown,, Robert Jeffress. What an idiot.



1. Because Republican "Christians" like the Bush family have shown themselves to be wolves in sheep's clothing.


They do nothing for their base and just get us into more wars.


2. The Democratic Party is a functionally anti-religious party.


3. Christianity is in institutional decline in the USA. You are seeing with Trump the rise of the post-religious right.


If you hated the old Christian conservative coalition you are really gonna be afraid of the post-religious Right
I'm totally calling bull**** on most of this nonsense and FRWNJ. 1). I know 43 and you can quarrel with his Presidency, however, he is one of the best Christian men you can find. That is a fact.

I don't want to get in a fight with you but George W Bush is a moral monster (and a globalist)

His war of choice in Iraq was in violation of international law and got thousands of Americans killed, trillions in taxpayer money wasted, and somewhere between 300,000 to 1 million Iraqis killed.

He is not a good Christian and he will have a LOT to answer for when he stands before the Lord of Hosts at the end times…..I would not want to be in his shoes at the last judgement
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In reply to sombear • 7:28a, 2/26/24
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And I'm still not sure what Trump did for us.

Overturning Roe v Wade and returning the abortion issue to the states was the biggest win for Christian values at a federal level in my lifetime.

Baby Bush is a Methodist. No serious Christian is going to be attending a Methodist church from about 1990-1995 on. The rot there has been going on longer than that, but I can see where it might not have been visible to the average parishoner on main street. His involvement in Iraq was one of America's biggest foreign policy disasters that has destabilized the middle east for generations. It virtually destroyed the Christian population of Iraq, which was protected under Saddam Hussein. His push to allow government funds to religious charities - cheered by Christian leaders at the time - has directly resulted in millions of dollars going to Catholic Charities and Lutheran Social Services so that they can cooperate with the UN to import millions of illegal aliens into the country.

His presidency was a disaster for Christians.

Worst presidents since 1900: Wilson, FDR, LBJ, Nixon, Carter, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Biden
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 7:45a, 2/26/24
FLBear5630 said:
whiterock said:
FLBear5630 said:
Osodecentx said:
"Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans, born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage, and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world. Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty."
JF Kennedy
Not the current batch...

nor do they heed these words in domestic policy:

"Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."
-President John F. Kennedy
Yup. Outside of Donald, we are pretty much in agreement...

Funny, how much Apollo impacted so many of my Generation. Everyone has different skill sets, so there is no one path to service. But I spent most of my life building and operating roads and infrastructure. I know alot who served 30 in the military. Foreign Service. etc...

US is going to have a tough time going forward, seems younger Generation is against the US and its policies. Left has done well molding opinion through education.


Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.


Vladimir Lenin
I have said many times, here and elsewhere, we are in a cold civil war.....ideas which are completely incompatible with those of our founding have captured key societal institutions and are proceeding with a cultural revolution. They are not interested in cooperation. They fully intend to cancel anything that will not bow to their new orthodoxy. There really isn't much middle ground. One side is going to win, and the other is going to lose.

The most important thing to know about our candidates is.....do they understand this and are they prepared to fight?

What I just stated is, essentially, the worldview of 2/3rds of the GOP. We have a lot of work to do and it will not happen in a single election. I hope you join us.
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 7:55a, 2/26/24
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Standing with Yanukovich is standing for democracy?

Peter is a smart guy (although outclassed by his brother Chris), but he's got this one totally backwards.

Man, I miss Chris Hitchens.
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In reply to KaiBear • 7:57a, 2/26/24
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Bear8084 said:
Doc Holliday said:
Bear8084 said:
Sam Lowry said:
Video is 30+ minutes, and it only took the slime machine three minutes to start churning. You are definitely earning your pay!


You simp for Russia and post obvious lies, disgusting comments, disinformation and straight-up propaganda. I wouldn't be talking about slime machines or earning pay when it's quite obvious you're shilling for Putin.

And "liberation".....LOL. Vatnik please.
Is questioning our actions in regard to Ukraine always considered pro Russian?

Is having a negative or questionable opinion of what the US is doing unacceptable?


Because it is.


So to be a loyal American one must accept and believe whatever our government tells us ?
That's not the issue.

Opposing support for Ukraine IS pro-Russian. It unambiguously helps Russian policy objectives.
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 8:05a, 2/26/24
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nothing surprising about that, nor objectionable. WHEN is the key question. My timeframe is decades. I want to see political stability and institutionalization of western order.

Here's the irony for those who oppose Nato membership for Ukraine: The only way to avoid it is to restore the pre-2014 territorial integrity of Ukraine. The greater the level of dismemberment of Ukraine, the weaker the viability of argument of neutral status for the remnant state.

So. Choose your poison.
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In reply to sombear • 8:11a, 2/26/24
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Redbrickbear said:
Trump did better with self-described white evangelicals than W, McCain, and Romney.

But my point was about Trump campaigning for that vote. He surrounded himself with evangelical preachers and other influential members like no candidates before him.

Not surprising. McCain and Romney wanted to try and win the presidency without Christian support and went out of their way to ignore our interests.

Romney: Chick-fil-A controversy 'not part of my campaign'
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/?p=1879812

"Speaking with reporters in Nevada, Mitt Romney refused to enter the Chick-fil-A controversy that has occupied most of the nation's attention this week.

During the press conference, Romney was asked whether the Chick-fil-A controversy or the controversy about Huma Abedin's ties to the Muslim Brotherhood should be part of the national conversation.

"Those are not things that's not part of my campaign." he answered shortly..."

Every campaign has turning points. This was probably when Christian voters finally walked away from Romney (despite earlier misgivings about his support for gay marriage as governor and support for an Obamacare like policy as governor) for good.

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J.R. said:
Redbrickbear said:
J.R. said:
sombear said:
Redbrickbear said:
sombear said:
KaiBear said:
Redbrickbear said:
Realitybites said:
FLBear5630 said:
You think Trump is a conservative? Trump is for Trump. No different than the Russian Oligarchs. He is for Trump making money and having power. He is nobodies Champion but his own.


Trump isn't conservative. He is transactional...


Honeslty it's the best thing about Trump.

He understands it's a two way relationship with his voters and that he has to do something for them


Vs respectable republicans like Bush and Nikki who do nothing for their voters and actively betray them for the donor class





Fair point.

Trump does try to accommodate his supporters.

If only he could keep his mouth shut while doing it


Trump plays to the Christian crowd more than any other candidate I've seen. He plays us like a piano.



Literally not true.

Poll after poll shows that Trump is more popular with non-committed Christians and those who don't go to church much if at all.

While he has lower levels of approval among committed Christians.

Many serious Christians hold their nose and vote for Trump (because the other party has become a truly radical anti-religious party and anti-white racialist party)

But they do not love Trump and never will.


Trump did better with self-described white evangelicals than W, McCain, and Romney.

But my point was about Trump campaigning for that vote. He surrounded himself with evangelical preachers and other influential members like no candidates before him.
Couldn't never understand why in the hell would ministers support that heathen? I give you the all time evangelical clown,, Robert Jeffress. What an idiot.



1. Because Republican "Christians" like the Bush family have shown themselves to be wolves in sheep's clothing.


They do nothing for their base and just get us into more wars.


2. The Democratic Party is a functionally anti-religious party.


3. Christianity is in institutional decline in the USA. You are seeing with Trump the rise of the post-religious right.


If you hated the old Christian conservative coalition you are really gonna be afraid of the post-religious Right
I'm totally calling bull**** on most of this nonsense and FRWNJ. 1). I know 43 and you can quarrel with his Presidency, however, he is one of the best Christian men you can find. That is a fact. You have Zero Idea what you are talking about. Zero. 2) Don't agree with that assertion at all , I know many, many Dems that are fine, Christian and Jewish folks. 3) Ain't no freaking way Trump is Christian. No freaking way.
You really didn't address his points.

He didn't say Bushes were not good Christians. He said they do not attend to the interests of the party base. If that were not true, Jeb would be going on a coronation tour instead of Trump.

I also know quite a few Democrats who are serious, committed Christians, which makes their support for the Democrat Party quite illogical, because it is, as Redbrick stated, functionally anti-religious, from the platform to the statute, to regulatory interpretation. How on earth could any open mind watch public affairs and not see that?

You don't really know the substance of Trump's relationship with the Lord , do you? Good Christians are not supposed to judge such things.
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In reply to Realitybites • 8:19a, 2/26/24
Realitybites said:
sombear said:
Redbrickbear said:
Trump did better with self-described white evangelicals than W, McCain, and Romney.

But my point was about Trump campaigning for that vote. He surrounded himself with evangelical preachers and other influential members like no candidates before him.

Not surprising. McCain and Romney wanted to try and win the presidency without Christian support and went out of their way to ignore our interests.

Romney: Chick-fil-A controversy 'not part of my campaign'
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/?p=1879812

"Speaking with reporters in Nevada, Mitt Romney refused to enter the Chick-fil-A controversy that has occupied most of the nation's attention this week.

During the press conference, Romney was asked whether the Chick-fil-A controversy or the controversy about Huma Abedin's ties to the Muslim Brotherhood should be part of the national conversation."

Every campaign has turning points. This was probably when Christian voters finally walked away from Romney (despite earlier misgivings about his support for gay marriage as governor and support for an Obamacare like policy as governor) for good.
sombear forgets about Reagan and "the Christian Coalition." The Bushies were not exactly hostile to it, but as a rule establishment GOP never really liked them at all. Trump has effectively restored it.

To the extent Trump is not a true believer, it only emphasizes how pragmatic he is. Either he found God on the way to politics, or he's finding a way to work with political coalitions he'd not entirely comfortable with. That his opponents cannot come to grips with that just illustrates that their antipathy to the man is so great that it discombobulates their ability to see clearly.
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you are really gonna be afraid of the post-religious Right

A post-religious right or left is something to be feared, as both lack moral guardrails. It is all to easy for the former to devolve into fascism, while the latter devolves into communism.
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In reply to whiterock • 8:27a, 2/26/24
whiterock said:
Realitybites said:
sombear said:
Redbrickbear said:
Trump did better with self-described white evangelicals than W, McCain, and Romney.

But my point was about Trump campaigning for that vote. He surrounded himself with evangelical preachers and other influential members like no candidates before him.

Not surprising. McCain and Romney wanted to try and win the presidency without Christian support and went out of their way to ignore our interests.

Romney: Chick-fil-A controversy 'not part of my campaign'
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/?p=1879812

"Speaking with reporters in Nevada, Mitt Romney refused to enter the Chick-fil-A controversy that has occupied most of the nation's attention this week.

During the press conference, Romney was asked whether the Chick-fil-A controversy or the controversy about Huma Abedin's ties to the Muslim Brotherhood should be part of the national conversation."

Every campaign has turning points. This was probably when Christian voters finally walked away from Romney (despite earlier misgivings about his support for gay marriage as governor and support for an Obamacare like policy as governor) for good.
sombear forgets about Reagan and "the Christian Coalition." The Bushies were not exactly hostile to it, but as a rule establishment GOP never really liked them at all. Trump has effectively restored it.

To the extent Trump is not a true believer, it only emphasizes how pragmatic he is. Either he found God on the way to politics, or he's finding a way to work with political coalitions he'd not entirely comfortable with. That his opponents cannot come to grips with that just illustrates that their antipathy to the man is so great that it discombobulates their ability to see clearly.
and Democrats now attack it as...."Christian Nationalism"

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In reply to whiterock • 8:38a, 2/26/24
whiterock said:
Realitybites said:
sombear said:
Redbrickbear said:
Trump did better with self-described white evangelicals than W, McCain, and Romney.

But my point was about Trump campaigning for that vote. He surrounded himself with evangelical preachers and other influential members like no candidates before him.

Not surprising. McCain and Romney wanted to try and win the presidency without Christian support and went out of their way to ignore our interests.

Romney: Chick-fil-A controversy 'not part of my campaign'
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/?p=1879812

"Speaking with reporters in Nevada, Mitt Romney refused to enter the Chick-fil-A controversy that has occupied most of the nation's attention this week.

During the press conference, Romney was asked whether the Chick-fil-A controversy or the controversy about Huma Abedin's ties to the Muslim Brotherhood should be part of the national conversation."

Every campaign has turning points. This was probably when Christian voters finally walked away from Romney (despite earlier misgivings about his support for gay marriage as governor and support for an Obamacare like policy as governor) for good.
sombear forgets about Reagan and "the Christian Coalition." The Bushies were not exactly hostile to it, but as a rule establishment GOP never really liked them at all. Trump has effectively restored it.

To the extent Trump is not a true believer, it only emphasizes how pragmatic he is. Either he found God on the way to politics, or he's finding a way to work with political coalitions he'd not entirely comfortable with. That his opponents cannot come to grips with that just illustrates that their antipathy to the man is so great that it discombobulates their ability to see clearly.
I have not forgotten that at all. I was responding to posts arguing that (1) Trump didn't seek or attract white evangelical support (false) and (2) Trump accomplished so much (false).
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In reply to J.R. • 9:35a, 2/26/24
J.R. said:
Redbrickbear said:
J.R. said:
sombear said:
Redbrickbear said:
sombear said:
KaiBear said:
Redbrickbear said:
Realitybites said:
FLBear5630 said:
You think Trump is a conservative? Trump is for Trump. No different than the Russian Oligarchs. He is for Trump making money and having power. He is nobodies Champion but his own.


Trump isn't conservative. He is transactional...


Honeslty it's the best thing about Trump.

He understands it's a two way relationship with his voters and that he has to do something for them


Vs respectable republicans like Bush and Nikki who do nothing for their voters and actively betray them for the donor class





Fair point.

Trump does try to accommodate his supporters.

If only he could keep his mouth shut while doing it


Trump plays to the Christian crowd more than any other candidate I've seen. He plays us like a piano.



Literally not true.

Poll after poll shows that Trump is more popular with non-committed Christians and those who don't go to church much if at all.

While he has lower levels of approval among committed Christians.

Many serious Christians hold their nose and vote for Trump (because the other party has become a truly radical anti-religious party and anti-white racialist party)

But they do not love Trump and never will.


Trump did better with self-described white evangelicals than W, McCain, and Romney.

But my point was about Trump campaigning for that vote. He surrounded himself with evangelical preachers and other influential members like no candidates before him.
Couldn't never understand why in the hell would ministers support that heathen? I give you the all time evangelical clown,, Robert Jeffress. What an idiot.



1. Because Republican "Christians" like the Bush family have shown themselves to be wolves in sheep's clothing.


They do nothing for their base and just get us into more wars.


2. The Democratic Party is a functionally anti-religious party.


3. Christianity is in institutional decline in the USA. You are seeing with Trump the rise of the post-religious right.


If you hated the old Christian conservative coalition you are really gonna be afraid of the post-religious Right
I'm totally calling bull**** on most of this nonsense and FRWNJ. 1). I know 43 and you can quarrel with his Presidency, however, he is one of the best Christian men you can find. That is a fact. You have Zero Idea what you are talking about. Zero. 2) Don't agree with that assertion at all , I know many, many Dems that are fine, Christian and Jewish folks. 3) Ain't no freaking way Trump is Christian. No freaking way.


My friend it is really very simple.

Christians watched the Obama administration attack some of their related organizations. The Little Sisters of the Poor for example. Such organizations were faced with closure due to high legal bills defending themselves .

Trump put a halt to such attacks.

Trump effectively ended federal support of abortion and returned such procedures to the discretion of the states.

Is Trump a practicing Christian…..probably not .

But his ACTIONS as president were definitely pro Christian.

As a result it is only natural that most Christians will vote for him. At our Church I suspect at least 70% will do so.



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In reply to whiterock • 12:43p, 2/26/24
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Redbrickbear said:
nothing surprising about that, nor objectionable. WHEN is the key question. My timeframe is decades. I want to see political stability and institutionalization of western order.

Here's the irony for those who oppose Nato membership for Ukraine: The only way to avoid it is to restore the pre-2014 territorial integrity of Ukraine. The greater the level of dismemberment of Ukraine, the weaker the viability of argument of neutral status for the remnant state.

So. Choose your poison.

What about those of us who think that it's time NATO needs to be dismembered because it has turned into a destabilizing force for peace?

The pre-2014 territorial intergrity of Ukraine as a neutral state is off the table at this point.

What is on the table is Ukraine west of the Dniper as a military neutral non-NATO member that's free to trade with the EU. The harder NATO pushes to get what is left of Ukraine into NATO, the smaller what is left of Ukraine will be and the larger the DMZ will be.
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In reply to Realitybites • 12:50p, 2/26/24
Realitybites said:
whiterock said:
Redbrickbear said:
nothing surprising about that, nor objectionable. WHEN is the key question. My timeframe is decades. I want to see political stability and institutionalization of western order.

Here's the irony for those who oppose Nato membership for Ukraine: The only way to avoid it is to restore the pre-2014 territorial integrity of Ukraine. The greater the level of dismemberment of Ukraine, the weaker the viability of argument of neutral status for the remnant state.

So. Choose your poison.

What about those of us who think that it's time NATO needs to be dismembered because it has turned into a destabilizing force for peace?

The pre-2014 territorial intergrity of Ukraine as a neutral state is off the table at this point.

What is on the table is Ukraine west of the Dniper as a military neutral non-NATO member that's free to trade with the EU. The harder NATO pushes to get what is left of Ukraine into NATO, the smaller what is left of Ukraine will be and the larger the DMZ will be.


Lol no.
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