Realitybites said:
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bad outcomes in enforcement (an accidentally deported citizen, for example)
If by bad outcomes you mean that an MS13 member has a shootout with DHS that kills his girlfriend and anchor babies creating a PR data point that the left and MSM can use like the George Floyd death, perhaps.
Otherwise as a naturalized citizen, I assure you there is zero chance of this. We keep our passports close, and our naturalization certificates closer.
I agree that the border must be secured, but a country that has been invaded must deal with the invaders to restore its sovereignty. It may be necessary to eliminate the involvement of the regular judicial system in this process and use some sort of a tribunal system.
By the end of Biden's first term, we will have exceeded the point that one out of every ten people living within our borders is an illegal alien. This affects everything from crime to housing affordability to the taking of a census and proportional representation in congress. Mass deportation must occur, or the country is done.
I'm not entirely disagreeing with you in principle. The real assault going on is to "rule of law." Our elected and appointed officials are executing policy they know the American people do not support.
That in no way changes anything I noted. The pushback on securing the border will be substantial, but surmountable. The pushback on mass deportations will make the histrionics of the first Trump term look sedate. You will see one court order after another halting every single facet, taking months/years to move up thru the courts, with the media pointing out the kinds of things I noted 24/7. Many Republicans will wilt under the pressure. And the Dems will get some wins. but the dinosaur in the room is the logistical realities = we do not have enough jail cells to do the kinds of mass deportations it would take to send them all back. We do not have enough courtrooms to do it. We do not have enough judges to do it; i.e. a courtroom is a factory that sits usable 24/7. We could theoretically do three shifts a day. But where do we get the judges? There is an answer for that - POTUS could sign an executive order designating all State Consular officers and All military JAG officers as immigration judges, then redeploy them where necessary to get busy deporting. But that itself would be immediately halted by some Fed District Judge somewhere and have to be litigated to SCOTUS. Trump will of course not give up. but it takes time. And even then, the numbers are not dispositive.
Ex: There is not a quick reference as to how many consular officer positions there are in the ForeignService. But there is for total # of Diplomats = 8,000. Subtract out Senior Service, PolOffs, ComOffs, AdmOffs, etc... and you're talking about maybe, at best 2k total consular officers. Are you going to close all the consular offices? No visas issued to visit USA? Think that would have a negative impact on the US economy? So cut that 2k number down by at least 500. So 1500 ConOffs available. Nice add, but not an ocean draining number. There are about 2K JAG officers in US Army. Multiply that times 3 for other services, then subtract what you think you need to keep the military legal system flowing.....
Or we could deputize those consular and JAG officers as Refugee officers (my choice) to get all the applications denied in short order (which have to happen FIRST, and would happen much more quickly than the deportation hearings).
See?
Mass deportation departures are simply not going to happen. There are not enough warm bodies and cold office spaces to do it. Hell, we don't have enough defense lawyers to do it. (remember, every deportee must have counsel.)
We COULD deputize state & local officials - sheriffs/police to arrest, local courts to do asylum and deporation hearings, etc...but we still have the jail and lawyer shortage issue BEFORE we get to the blizzard of lawsuits challenging existing SCOTUS rulings on supremacy clause.
Deportations will accelerate, but fall well below expectations.
So the Trump Admin will compensate by making a big show about building a wall and repelling all boarders.
Not saying that I wouldn't like to do more.
Saying I understand how hard it's going to be to do mass deportations. So to keep my political base happy, I'm going to slash & burn on the border, big smoke, big noises, to let everyone know no stone is going unturned to stop the flow of faux-refugees. I'll do that because it is a promise, it needs doing, and it will make a very positive impact on the country. And I'll also do it because the other part of the deal is damned near impossible to do and will take years to even get into position to be able to start the process at the level required.
(I didn't note all the obstacles to mass deporations. Just a few of the bigger obvious ones.)
