Former Advisor to the President Oleksii Arestovych claims 100,000 desertions from the Ukrainian army:
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Sam Lowry said:
Ukraine's government is bracing for unrest around the time of the now-canceled elections. Dmytro Yarosh, former head of the Right Sector neo-Nazi group and a key player at Maidan, is rumored to be marshaling support.Quote:
Ukrainian intelligence predicts dire situation from mid-May onward
Kirill Budanov acknowledged that the Ukrainian army had long experienced problems on the frontline
MOSCOW, April 22. /TASS/. A difficult period awaits Ukraine on the frontline and in the domestic political situation starting from mid-May, the head of the Defense Ministry's Main Intelligence Directorate (GUR), Kirill Budanov, (listed in Russia as a terrorist and extremist) has said.
"The way we see it, a rather difficult situation awaits us in the near future," he said in an interview with the BBC's Ukrainian service. "There will be problems starting from the middle of May."
Budanov said he was referring to the situation both on the battlefield and in domestic politics.
"This is going to be a difficult period from the middle of May and at the beginning of June," he added.
He acknowledged that the Ukrainian army had long experienced problems on the frontline.
"Yes, there are problems on the frontline, but we should also be frank: these problems did not appear today, or a month ago, or even three months ago. This is a systemic problem that we are facing," he said.
Ukraine is actively discussing the issue of the legitimacy of the authorities in the absence of parliamentary and presidential elections, which cannot be held during martial law. Under the Constitution, President Vladimir Zelensky's five-year term of office expires on May 21.
https://tass.com/politics/1778833
TASS....Lol! Straight-up more lies and propaganda from the biggest Russian shill on this board.
LOL, it's from an interview with BBC Ukraine.Bear8084 said:Sam Lowry said:
Ukraine's government is bracing for unrest around the time of the now-canceled elections. Dmytro Yarosh, former head of the Right Sector neo-Nazi group and a key player at Maidan, is rumored to be marshaling support.Quote:
Ukrainian intelligence predicts dire situation from mid-May onward
Kirill Budanov acknowledged that the Ukrainian army had long experienced problems on the frontline
MOSCOW, April 22. /TASS/. A difficult period awaits Ukraine on the frontline and in the domestic political situation starting from mid-May, the head of the Defense Ministry's Main Intelligence Directorate (GUR), Kirill Budanov, (listed in Russia as a terrorist and extremist) has said.
"The way we see it, a rather difficult situation awaits us in the near future," he said in an interview with the BBC's Ukrainian service. "There will be problems starting from the middle of May."
Budanov said he was referring to the situation both on the battlefield and in domestic politics.
"This is going to be a difficult period from the middle of May and at the beginning of June," he added.
He acknowledged that the Ukrainian army had long experienced problems on the frontline.
"Yes, there are problems on the frontline, but we should also be frank: these problems did not appear today, or a month ago, or even three months ago. This is a systemic problem that we are facing," he said.
Ukraine is actively discussing the issue of the legitimacy of the authorities in the absence of parliamentary and presidential elections, which cannot be held during martial law. Under the Constitution, President Vladimir Zelensky's five-year term of office expires on May 21.
https://tass.com/politics/1778833
TASS....Lol! Straight-up more lies and propaganda from the biggest Russian shill on this board.
He also wants to crack down on social media commentary...I'm sure some here would justify it, ironically enough.
I don't know if this is true. 100,000 seems really high. Estimates from about 3 months ago were in the 4 figures. That assumed that desertions means active military.Sam Lowry said:
Former Advisor to the President Oleksii Arestovych claims 100,000 desertions from the Ukrainian army:
Regardless, this guy is a huge critic of Zelensky and the military. And he fled Ukraine claiming he thought he'd be arrested, when really he just wanted to leave and criticize.
Well, I don't think he actually wanted to leave. He wanted to run for political office and possibly replace Zelensky at some point. On a totally unrelated note, he also happens to fear being arrested.sombear said:I don't know if this is true. 100,000 seems really high. Estimates from about 3 months ago were in the 4 figures. That assumed that desertions means active military.Sam Lowry said:
Former Advisor to the President Oleksii Arestovych claims 100,000 desertions from the Ukrainian army:
Regardless, this guy is a huge critic of Zelensky and the military. And he fled Ukraine claiming he thought he'd be arrested, when really he just wanted to leave and criticize.
Funny how these bizarre coincidences seem to happen in countries that cancel elections and ban political dissent.
Quick, name one war critic who Zelensky has arrested for being a war critic.Sam Lowry said:Well, I don't think he actually wanted to leave. He wanted to run for political office and possibly replace Zelensky at some point. On a totally unrelated note, he also happens to fear being arrested.sombear said:I don't know if this is true. 100,000 seems really high. Estimates from about 3 months ago were in the 4 figures. That assumed that desertions means active military.Sam Lowry said:
Former Advisor to the President Oleksii Arestovych claims 100,000 desertions from the Ukrainian army:
Regardless, this guy is a huge critic of Zelensky and the military. And he fled Ukraine claiming he thought he'd be arrested, when really he just wanted to leave and criticize.
Funny how these bizarre coincidences seem to happen in countries that cancel elections and ban political dissent.
Does killed count? Or do you only want arrested.sombear said:
Quick, name one war critic who Zelensky has arrested for being a war critic.
Unless they capture the village to the east in order to encircle Ukrainian forces, which they have. Meanwhile the Ukrainians have rushed reinforcements from Berdychi, allowing it to fall yet failing to save Ocheretyne, which is now under Russian control.whiterock said:Exactly. It's hard to stop an advance when one has no ammunition. Russia knows this and is pushing as hard as it can before Ukraine stocks up again.Bear8084 said:
"Sudden collapse". More of Sam's vatnik lies.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-april-22-2024
"Russian forces appear to be aiming to make a wide penetration of Ukrainian lines northwest of Avdiivka, Donetsk Oblast, but their ability to do so will likely be blunted by the arrival of US and other Western aid to the frontline."
"Russian forces are similarly intensifying the rate of tactical-level gains elsewhere in the theater, namely in the Lyman direction and west and southwest of Donetsk City, to consolidate gains as rapidly as possible. The Russian military command is likely aware of the closing window before more Western aid arrives and is trying to secure offensive gains before the window closes. Russian forces are likely to continue to make tactical gains along the Berdychi-Novokalynove line and elsewhere in theater in the coming weeks as they intensify offensive operations in anticipation of the arrival of Western aid. However, the currently closing window of low Ukrainian resources will likely inhibit Russian forces from being able to translate tactical advances into operationally significant gains for the most part, though some are possible; and Ukraine's receipt of Western aid will likely position Ukrainian forces to receive the upcoming offensives for which Russian forces are preparing.[17]"
What has not been commented up on is how those Russian advances make them more vulnerable to counter-attacks. They are several klicks beyond their heavily fortified defensive positions, therefore more vulnerable to encirclement in terrain highly conducive to maneuver warfare.
Realitybites said:Does killed count? Or do you only want arrested.sombear said:
Quick, name one war critic who Zelensky has arrested for being a war critic.
Hilarious coming from a Putin lover.
American filmmaker arrested and jailed for spreading pro-Russia propaganda dies in Ukrainian prisonsombear said:Quick, name one war critic who Zelensky has arrested for being a war critic.Sam Lowry said:Well, I don't think he actually wanted to leave. He wanted to run for political office and possibly replace Zelensky at some point. On a totally unrelated note, he also happens to fear being arrested.sombear said:I don't know if this is true. 100,000 seems really high. Estimates from about 3 months ago were in the 4 figures. That assumed that desertions means active military.Sam Lowry said:
Former Advisor to the President Oleksii Arestovych claims 100,000 desertions from the Ukrainian army:
Regardless, this guy is a huge critic of Zelensky and the military. And he fled Ukraine claiming he thought he'd be arrested, when really he just wanted to leave and criticize.
Funny how these bizarre coincidences seem to happen in countries that cancel elections and ban political dissent.
By Fox News
Published Jan. 15, 2024, 6:56 p.m. ET
Gonzalo Lira, a 55-year-old YouTuber and film director who was born in Burbank, California, and spent part of his childhood in the Los Angeles area, died in a Ukrainian jail on Friday, the State Department confirmed to Fox News Digital.
"We can confirm the death of U.S. citizen Gonzalo Lira in Ukraine," a State Department spokesperson told Fox News Digital. "We offer our sincerest condolences to the family on their loss."
The Ukrainian government's Center for Stategic Communication and Information Security said Lira was arrested for "justifying Russian aggression against Ukraine," according to Newsweek, a violation of Article 463-2 of Ukrainian criminal law.
https://nypost.com/2024/01/15/news/american-filmmaker-arrested-and-jailed-for-spreading-pro-russia-propaganda-dies-in-ukrainian-prison/
Sam Lowry said:American filmmaker arrested and jailed for spreading pro-Russia propaganda dies in Ukrainian prisonsombear said:Quick, name one war critic who Zelensky has arrested for being a war critic.Sam Lowry said:Well, I don't think he actually wanted to leave. He wanted to run for political office and possibly replace Zelensky at some point. On a totally unrelated note, he also happens to fear being arrested.sombear said:I don't know if this is true. 100,000 seems really high. Estimates from about 3 months ago were in the 4 figures. That assumed that desertions means active military.Sam Lowry said:
Former Advisor to the President Oleksii Arestovych claims 100,000 desertions from the Ukrainian army:
Regardless, this guy is a huge critic of Zelensky and the military. And he fled Ukraine claiming he thought he'd be arrested, when really he just wanted to leave and criticize.
Funny how these bizarre coincidences seem to happen in countries that cancel elections and ban political dissent.
By Fox News
Published Jan. 15, 2024, 6:56 p.m. ET
Gonzalo Lira, a 55-year-old YouTuber and film director who was born in Burbank, California, and spent part of his childhood in the Los Angeles area, died in a Ukrainian jail on Friday, the State Department confirmed to Fox News Digital.
"We can confirm the death of U.S. citizen Gonzalo Lira in Ukraine," a State Department spokesperson told Fox News Digital. "We offer our sincerest condolences to the family on their loss."
The Ukrainian government's Center for Stategic Communication and Information Security said Lira was arrested for "justifying Russian aggression against Ukraine," according to Newsweek, a violation of Article 463-2 of Ukrainian criminal law.
https://nypost.com/2024/01/15/news/american-filmmaker-arrested-and-jailed-for-spreading-pro-russia-propaganda-dies-in-ukrainian-prison/
ROFL. He actually broke the law and was told to leave and don't come back. No one cares about a sex pest propagandist except vatniks.
Yep, he actually broke the law against free speech.Bear8084 said:Sam Lowry said:American filmmaker arrested and jailed for spreading pro-Russia propaganda dies in Ukrainian prisonsombear said:Quick, name one war critic who Zelensky has arrested for being a war critic.Sam Lowry said:Well, I don't think he actually wanted to leave. He wanted to run for political office and possibly replace Zelensky at some point. On a totally unrelated note, he also happens to fear being arrested.sombear said:I don't know if this is true. 100,000 seems really high. Estimates from about 3 months ago were in the 4 figures. That assumed that desertions means active military.Sam Lowry said:
Former Advisor to the President Oleksii Arestovych claims 100,000 desertions from the Ukrainian army:
Regardless, this guy is a huge critic of Zelensky and the military. And he fled Ukraine claiming he thought he'd be arrested, when really he just wanted to leave and criticize.
Funny how these bizarre coincidences seem to happen in countries that cancel elections and ban political dissent.
By Fox News
Published Jan. 15, 2024, 6:56 p.m. ET
Gonzalo Lira, a 55-year-old YouTuber and film director who was born in Burbank, California, and spent part of his childhood in the Los Angeles area, died in a Ukrainian jail on Friday, the State Department confirmed to Fox News Digital.
"We can confirm the death of U.S. citizen Gonzalo Lira in Ukraine," a State Department spokesperson told Fox News Digital. "We offer our sincerest condolences to the family on their loss."
The Ukrainian government's Center for Stategic Communication and Information Security said Lira was arrested for "justifying Russian aggression against Ukraine," according to Newsweek, a violation of Article 463-2 of Ukrainian criminal law.
https://nypost.com/2024/01/15/news/american-filmmaker-arrested-and-jailed-for-spreading-pro-russia-propaganda-dies-in-ukrainian-prison/
ROFL. He actually broke the law and was told to leave and don't come back. No one cares about a sex pest propagandist except vatniks.
Sam Lowry said:American filmmaker arrested and jailed for spreading pro-Russia propaganda dies in Ukrainian prisonsombear said:Quick, name one war critic who Zelensky has arrested for being a war critic.Sam Lowry said:Well, I don't think he actually wanted to leave. He wanted to run for political office and possibly replace Zelensky at some point. On a totally unrelated note, he also happens to fear being arrested.sombear said:I don't know if this is true. 100,000 seems really high. Estimates from about 3 months ago were in the 4 figures. That assumed that desertions means active military.Sam Lowry said:
Former Advisor to the President Oleksii Arestovych claims 100,000 desertions from the Ukrainian army:
Regardless, this guy is a huge critic of Zelensky and the military. And he fled Ukraine claiming he thought he'd be arrested, when really he just wanted to leave and criticize.
Funny how these bizarre coincidences seem to happen in countries that cancel elections and ban political dissent.
By Fox News
Published Jan. 15, 2024, 6:56 p.m. ET
Gonzalo Lira, a 55-year-old YouTuber and film director who was born in Burbank, California, and spent part of his childhood in the Los Angeles area, died in a Ukrainian jail on Friday, the State Department confirmed to Fox News Digital.
"We can confirm the death of U.S. citizen Gonzalo Lira in Ukraine," a State Department spokesperson told Fox News Digital. "We offer our sincerest condolences to the family on their loss."
The Ukrainian government's Center for Stategic Communication and Information Security said Lira was arrested for "justifying Russian aggression against Ukraine," according to Newsweek, a violation of Article 463-2 of Ukrainian criminal law.
https://nypost.com/2024/01/15/news/american-filmmaker-arrested-and-jailed-for-spreading-pro-russia-propaganda-dies-in-ukrainian-prison/
He wasn't arrested for being a "war critic." Is that your only example?
You're the one who introduced the term "war critic," and I'm not sure why. It seems to me that justifying Russian aggression would qualify. How are you defining the term?sombear said:Sam Lowry said:American filmmaker arrested and jailed for spreading pro-Russia propaganda dies in Ukrainian prisonsombear said:Quick, name one war critic who Zelensky has arrested for being a war critic.Sam Lowry said:Well, I don't think he actually wanted to leave. He wanted to run for political office and possibly replace Zelensky at some point. On a totally unrelated note, he also happens to fear being arrested.sombear said:I don't know if this is true. 100,000 seems really high. Estimates from about 3 months ago were in the 4 figures. That assumed that desertions means active military.Sam Lowry said:
Former Advisor to the President Oleksii Arestovych claims 100,000 desertions from the Ukrainian army:
Regardless, this guy is a huge critic of Zelensky and the military. And he fled Ukraine claiming he thought he'd be arrested, when really he just wanted to leave and criticize.
Funny how these bizarre coincidences seem to happen in countries that cancel elections and ban political dissent.
By Fox News
Published Jan. 15, 2024, 6:56 p.m. ET
Gonzalo Lira, a 55-year-old YouTuber and film director who was born in Burbank, California, and spent part of his childhood in the Los Angeles area, died in a Ukrainian jail on Friday, the State Department confirmed to Fox News Digital.
"We can confirm the death of U.S. citizen Gonzalo Lira in Ukraine," a State Department spokesperson told Fox News Digital. "We offer our sincerest condolences to the family on their loss."
The Ukrainian government's Center for Stategic Communication and Information Security said Lira was arrested for "justifying Russian aggression against Ukraine," according to Newsweek, a violation of Article 463-2 of Ukrainian criminal law.
https://nypost.com/2024/01/15/news/american-filmmaker-arrested-and-jailed-for-spreading-pro-russia-propaganda-dies-in-ukrainian-prison/
He wasn't arrested for being a "war critic." Is that your only example?
German defense minister: Russia already produces surplus military equipment
by Martin Fornusek
April 25, 2024 1:15 PM
Russia is already producing more arms and military equipment than it needs for its war against Ukraine, and is filling its weapons warehouses, German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius said, as reported by the German television channel n-tv on April 25.
https://kyivindependent.com/german-defense-minister-russia-already-produces-surplus-military-equipment/
by Martin Fornusek
April 25, 2024 1:15 PM
Russia is already producing more arms and military equipment than it needs for its war against Ukraine, and is filling its weapons warehouses, German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius said, as reported by the German television channel n-tv on April 25.
https://kyivindependent.com/german-defense-minister-russia-already-produces-surplus-military-equipment/
I think the entire "inhabiting a particular country or territory" throws a loop in your assertion.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:No, they weren't. A religious tribe, yes.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:Well, you'll have to enlighten me on how you have a nation without a state/government.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:What you seem to be blind to is that almost every time something is brought up about Russia, you are right there with some US whataboutism, regardless of relevance.Redbrickbear said:Mothra said:
Post 9/11 wars were a mistake, IMO, with the possible exception of Afghanistan, had it been handled correctly. But the link you posted said that the wars have contributed to 4.5 million deaths,
I am certainly willing have to have discussion about if the well intentioned aims were worth the human suffering (and the failures)
But I think I am just shocked at people like ATL (and others on this forum) who still won't admit the massive DC lead mistakes of the past 25 years....and seem to have memory holed the human deaths.
Its like it never happened at all!
Or worse pretend that pointing out these deaths or mistakes is an "attack on the USA"
Well there is your logic problem right there
You think comparisons of death tolls in regime change wars of choice are "whataboutism" (lol did you just learn that term)
And you continue to confuse State/government with Nation
Were Jews not a nation when they did not have a State or government?
For 2,000 years they were a nation and yet had no State and no government
Yes, they were
[ Nation: a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory.
Ex. a North American Indian people or confederation of peoples.]
Ethnos (from Greek: , lit. 'nation')
I guess if you ignore the election results, ignore his words, ignore January 6, Ignore the fake electors, ignore the charges in Georgia and Arizona, Ignore the arguments in front of the Supreme Court and call everyone stupid, your position makes sense.whiterock said:lol. "48 months in office and he knew nothing, 4 years to learn how to prepare to suspend the Constitution and rule forever, but was clueless to pull it off. But now, after being subjected to 4 years of lawfare and no longer possessing the awesome powers of office, he knows everything and has all the right people in place to perfect a plan to destroy the Republic."Mitch Blood Green said:whiterock said:If Trump was going to end Democracy, he had four years to do it the first go-around. He was CIC of the entire military and federal apparatus. If he wanted to go full-Putin, he could have won the 2020 election 90-10, or he could have just made a few phone calls and dared anyone to throw him out.Mothra said:Yes, there are a number of countries around the world that significantly impinge on Christianity in the guise of "regulation." But that wasn't the point. I took issue with your absurd position that Putin was an "ally" of Christianity. If by "ally" you mean he allows Christians to merely exist, well, sure, so long as of course they confine their beliefs to themselves and live in Russia (Ukraine is apparently a different matter altogether).Sam Lowry said:Evangelism is regulated, not outlawed. Russia recognizes the importance of all forms of Christianity, as well as Judaism, Islam, and Buddhism, not just Russian Orthodoxy. I disagree with many of their policies, but none of that is really relevant to the war.Mothra said:
My friend, you have been deceived. While Putin may share some cultural beliefs with people who call themselves "Christians," he is no ally of Christianity in any way, shape or form. When you pass laws that outlaw evangelism outside of the church building, and severely restrict and penalize those who practice a faith other than the Russian Orthodoxy, that is in no way Christian. You might want to talk to some missionaries to Russia just to see how oppressive it's become.
The irony here is, you're defending a guy who is the antithesis of Christianity and democracy because he is an ally in the cultural war, yet constantly decry Trump because he's an anti-democratic despot, despite the fact he is also an ally in the cultural war and has achieved more in that battle than any Republican president before him. It's remarkable.
I also recognize that Trump is a cultural ally and has done many good things. I'm not willing to support him any more because I actually care about democracy in this country. The irony is that you criticize others while still supporting Trump, despite his open assaults on the republic, as long as he furthers your cultural agenda.
You're not willing to support Trump, but you will vociferously defend and support Putin for being a cultural ally. Is it because you are ethnocentric and only care about policies that personally affect you? Don't give a **** about the average every day Russian? We already know you couldn't give two ****s about the average Ukrainian, of course, so perhaps that's the case.
I would submit anyone who thinks there is any real danger Trump is going to overthrow democracy in our country is either a moron, or is all up in their emotions. There literally is zero chance Trump could come close to doing any of the things your little buddy Putin has done in Russia. Yet, you don't appear to care very much about winning the culture war here.
That's not exactly true. He didn't have full control and he didn't know where the levers were.
He had "Party" control. But from day one, he didn't have the enablers he will have in a second term. He had people (generals, Secretaries of State, elected officials who checked him.
Today, he calls those people "weak", they call him dangerous.
can you not see what a profoundly stupid comment that is?
Sam Lowry said:I've posted evidence. If you haven't seen it, it's because you don't want to.sombear said:It's absolutely relevant. Actions that a country takes when they are attacked and invaded are different. That's not only common sense but has been true in every invasion in world history.Sam Lowry said:Who invaded whom is irrelevant to the issue. You're also wrong on the facts. Zelensky banned the second largest political party in the country, which is also the largest in the south and east, along with ten other parties. Ukraine is routinely incarcerating priests and other political prisoners. The UOC is still the largest denomination in terms of parishes despite hundreds of seizures by the government (250 in 2022, 1500 as of this year). And of course the drastic decline in membership only took place after Kiev started its pogroms.sombear said:No. Your post was full of misinformation and irrelevant info.Sam Lowry said:So you were aware?sombear said:Sam Lowry said:I guess you weren't aware that Zelensky's government had seized and locked down 250 churches as of 2022. Or that UOC churches were vandalized and burned. Or that priests were forcibly dragged out, kidnapped, imprisoned, and replaced by officially recognized clergy. Or that parishioners were beaten and coerced to attend officially recognized churches. Or that priests have disappeared or been murdered by Ukrainian security forces. Or that Zelensky canceled elections and outlawed opposition parties. Or that he introduced a bill to ban the UOC outright. I could go on too.sombear said:No. You said Putin is more Christian . . . . .Sam Lowry said:
We were talking about the church in Russia. Ukraine is obviously rife with suspicion and conflict, and both sides carry out raids in search of enemy spies.
He has a history of slaughtering Christians.
He bribed the head of the Russian Church and heavily restricts non-Orthodox churches.
He does not believe in individual freedom or liberty.
He murders or incarcerates domestic political opponents.
He's in bed with the Russian mob and looks the other way on child sex and human trafficking.
His closest allies are countries that persecute Christians and even sentence them to death.
He has opposed numerous churches and sects and instead fought for secular socialist governments.
He is literally torturing and murdering Ukrainian Christians and Christian leaders and burning down their churches.
I worked with Russians. Many were afraid to publicly identify as Christians.
Contrary to what idiot propagandists say, Russia is one of the least Christian countries in Europe when it comes to church attendance and people who say their Christianity is important to them. BTW Ukraine is at or near the top.
I could go on and on.
Putin is not a Christian and doesn't act like one. He is the epitome of anti-Christian.
False
First of all, again, I was responding to your silly claim that Putin is somehow Christian or at least strongly supports Christianity. I did not claim Zelensky was a Christian or compare him to Putin in that regard. I simply stated facts about Ukraine itself being far more of a Christian country - one of the most Christian countries in the world.
Second, I've seen no evidence of the Ukrainian atrocities against Christian churches that you cite. Heck, I've worked with Russians for over a decade and never even heard them make those claims. And, man, do they tell some stories . . . .
Third, to the extent you're comparing Ukraine to Russia from a democracy and freedom perspective, it's a silly comparison. Russia invaded Ukraine. So, its apples to 18-wheelers to compare what Putin has done for decades with what Ukraine has done since being invaded by Russia.
As for specifics, canceling elections was the easy and obvious move. And I think you know that. Ukraine doesn't have the time, money, resources, or security to hold a national election. Not to mention its people are scattered all over the place, and Russia controls significant areas.
You and I will never know the full truth in every case, but Ukraine's move against the Russia-affiliated churches were allegedly based on actual evidence of colluding with Russia. And that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Why would Ukraine - which again was invaded by Russia - allow openly pro-invasion churches or political parties (a tiny fraction BTW) to undermine Ukraine's defense?
And unlike, Russia, Ukraine isn't sentencing those leaders to death or even incarcerating. Ukraine is simply suspending their ability to operate. And that has affected very few churches.
Again, Putin is not a Christian. Putin does not support Christianity. He is everything that Christianity is not.
I've still seen no evidence of "routine incarceration" or thousands of "seizures."
As for the party, "The largest of the parties with links to Russia is the Opposition Platform for Life, which has 44 out of 450 seats in parliament. The party is led by Viktor Medvedchuk, who has friendly ties with Russian President Vladimir Putin, the godfather of Medvedchuk's daughter."
Shocking that party would be suspended!!!
And BTW, party activities were suspended. Nobody was arrested, indicted, etc. Again, common sense, war-time/invasion measures, especially when the invader is your neighbor with deep tenacles in your country.
Thanks for your honesty in admitting you support the banning of political parties (which included confiscation of their money and property, by the way). Please read the linked evidence and let us know how you justify the violent seizure of churches, arrest of clergy on trumped-up charges, censorship, beatings, vandalism, arson, etc.
If this is what it takes to win support during an invasion, maybe that says something about the kind of corrupt regime we're allied with.
Gotta say your righteous indignation of the banning of pro-Russian political parties during an invasion by Russia is amusing, given the numerous Russian actions you've overlooked or even attempted to justify.
Your attempt to argue the invasion meets Christian just war principles is an all-timer and will never be topped by another poster in comparison.
Again, you've turned into a Russian shill at this point. Putin wants to invade his neighbors, drop missiles in civilian centers, ban free speech in his OWN country, ban or restrict Christian groups in Russia, jail and kill political dissidents, engage in terrorist attacks around the world - you're cool with that.
Putin dick sucker and nothing more.
ATL Bear said:I think the entire "inhabiting a particular country or territory" throws a loop in your assertion.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:No, they weren't. A religious tribe, yes.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:Well, you'll have to enlighten me on how you have a nation without a state/government.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:What you seem to be blind to is that almost every time something is brought up about Russia, you are right there with some US whataboutism, regardless of relevance.Redbrickbear said:Mothra said:
Post 9/11 wars were a mistake, IMO, with the possible exception of Afghanistan, had it been handled correctly. But the link you posted said that the wars have contributed to 4.5 million deaths,
I am certainly willing have to have discussion about if the well intentioned aims were worth the human suffering (and the failures)
But I think I am just shocked at people like ATL (and others on this forum) who still won't admit the massive DC lead mistakes of the past 25 years....and seem to have memory holed the human deaths.
Its like it never happened at all!
Or worse pretend that pointing out these deaths or mistakes is an "attack on the USA"
Well there is your logic problem right there
You think comparisons of death tolls in regime change wars of choice are "whataboutism" (lol did you just learn that term)
And you continue to confuse State/government with Nation
Were Jews not a nation when they did not have a State or government?
For 2,000 years they were a nation and yet had no State and no government
Yes, they were
[ Nation: a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory.
Ex. a North American Indian people or confederation of peoples.]
Ethnos (from Greek: , lit. 'nation')
It does not say they can't inhabit multiple territories or countries
Nation is not identical to State
You seem to think there is no Nation without a State…when of course there can be
Isn't this all academic since the Palestinians do in fact have a state?
He broke no laws on any of those points, yet is facing highly contrived charges on some of it and a lot more unrelated to it, just because the authoritarians in power are afraid of him.Mitch Blood Green said:I guess if you ignore the election results, ignore his words, ignore January 6, Ignore the fake electors, ignore the charges in Georgia and Arizona, Ignore the arguments in front of the Supreme Court and call everyone stupid, your position makes sense.whiterock said:lol. "48 months in office and he knew nothing, 4 years to learn how to prepare to suspend the Constitution and rule forever, but was clueless to pull it off. But now, after being subjected to 4 years of lawfare and no longer possessing the awesome powers of office, he knows everything and has all the right people in place to perfect a plan to destroy the Republic."Mitch Blood Green said:whiterock said:If Trump was going to end Democracy, he had four years to do it the first go-around. He was CIC of the entire military and federal apparatus. If he wanted to go full-Putin, he could have won the 2020 election 90-10, or he could have just made a few phone calls and dared anyone to throw him out.Mothra said:Yes, there are a number of countries around the world that significantly impinge on Christianity in the guise of "regulation." But that wasn't the point. I took issue with your absurd position that Putin was an "ally" of Christianity. If by "ally" you mean he allows Christians to merely exist, well, sure, so long as of course they confine their beliefs to themselves and live in Russia (Ukraine is apparently a different matter altogether).Sam Lowry said:Evangelism is regulated, not outlawed. Russia recognizes the importance of all forms of Christianity, as well as Judaism, Islam, and Buddhism, not just Russian Orthodoxy. I disagree with many of their policies, but none of that is really relevant to the war.Mothra said:
My friend, you have been deceived. While Putin may share some cultural beliefs with people who call themselves "Christians," he is no ally of Christianity in any way, shape or form. When you pass laws that outlaw evangelism outside of the church building, and severely restrict and penalize those who practice a faith other than the Russian Orthodoxy, that is in no way Christian. You might want to talk to some missionaries to Russia just to see how oppressive it's become.
The irony here is, you're defending a guy who is the antithesis of Christianity and democracy because he is an ally in the cultural war, yet constantly decry Trump because he's an anti-democratic despot, despite the fact he is also an ally in the cultural war and has achieved more in that battle than any Republican president before him. It's remarkable.
I also recognize that Trump is a cultural ally and has done many good things. I'm not willing to support him any more because I actually care about democracy in this country. The irony is that you criticize others while still supporting Trump, despite his open assaults on the republic, as long as he furthers your cultural agenda.
You're not willing to support Trump, but you will vociferously defend and support Putin for being a cultural ally. Is it because you are ethnocentric and only care about policies that personally affect you? Don't give a **** about the average every day Russian? We already know you couldn't give two ****s about the average Ukrainian, of course, so perhaps that's the case.
I would submit anyone who thinks there is any real danger Trump is going to overthrow democracy in our country is either a moron, or is all up in their emotions. There literally is zero chance Trump could come close to doing any of the things your little buddy Putin has done in Russia. Yet, you don't appear to care very much about winning the culture war here.
That's not exactly true. He didn't have full control and he didn't know where the levers were.
He had "Party" control. But from day one, he didn't have the enablers he will have in a second term. He had people (generals, Secretaries of State, elected officials who checked him.
Today, he calls those people "weak", they call him dangerous.
can you not see what a profoundly stupid comment that is?
unfortunately, all they do with it is attack Israel. I say end the Palestinian state in the name of world peace.Sam Lowry said:
Isn't this all academic since the Palestinians do in fact have a state?
So, if he is found guilty of the charges? Appeals Courts don't overturn. Supreme Court does not agree with his attorneys. Witnesses testifying under oath and evidence presented under the rules of evidence.whiterock said:He broke no laws on any of those points, yet is facing highly contrived charges on some of it and a lot more unrelated to it, just because the authoritarians in power are afraid of him.Mitch Blood Green said:I guess if you ignore the election results, ignore his words, ignore January 6, Ignore the fake electors, ignore the charges in Georgia and Arizona, Ignore the arguments in front of the Supreme Court and call everyone stupid, your position makes sense.whiterock said:lol. "48 months in office and he knew nothing, 4 years to learn how to prepare to suspend the Constitution and rule forever, but was clueless to pull it off. But now, after being subjected to 4 years of lawfare and no longer possessing the awesome powers of office, he knows everything and has all the right people in place to perfect a plan to destroy the Republic."Mitch Blood Green said:whiterock said:If Trump was going to end Democracy, he had four years to do it the first go-around. He was CIC of the entire military and federal apparatus. If he wanted to go full-Putin, he could have won the 2020 election 90-10, or he could have just made a few phone calls and dared anyone to throw him out.Mothra said:Yes, there are a number of countries around the world that significantly impinge on Christianity in the guise of "regulation." But that wasn't the point. I took issue with your absurd position that Putin was an "ally" of Christianity. If by "ally" you mean he allows Christians to merely exist, well, sure, so long as of course they confine their beliefs to themselves and live in Russia (Ukraine is apparently a different matter altogether).Sam Lowry said:Evangelism is regulated, not outlawed. Russia recognizes the importance of all forms of Christianity, as well as Judaism, Islam, and Buddhism, not just Russian Orthodoxy. I disagree with many of their policies, but none of that is really relevant to the war.Mothra said:
My friend, you have been deceived. While Putin may share some cultural beliefs with people who call themselves "Christians," he is no ally of Christianity in any way, shape or form. When you pass laws that outlaw evangelism outside of the church building, and severely restrict and penalize those who practice a faith other than the Russian Orthodoxy, that is in no way Christian. You might want to talk to some missionaries to Russia just to see how oppressive it's become.
The irony here is, you're defending a guy who is the antithesis of Christianity and democracy because he is an ally in the cultural war, yet constantly decry Trump because he's an anti-democratic despot, despite the fact he is also an ally in the cultural war and has achieved more in that battle than any Republican president before him. It's remarkable.
I also recognize that Trump is a cultural ally and has done many good things. I'm not willing to support him any more because I actually care about democracy in this country. The irony is that you criticize others while still supporting Trump, despite his open assaults on the republic, as long as he furthers your cultural agenda.
You're not willing to support Trump, but you will vociferously defend and support Putin for being a cultural ally. Is it because you are ethnocentric and only care about policies that personally affect you? Don't give a **** about the average every day Russian? We already know you couldn't give two ****s about the average Ukrainian, of course, so perhaps that's the case.
I would submit anyone who thinks there is any real danger Trump is going to overthrow democracy in our country is either a moron, or is all up in their emotions. There literally is zero chance Trump could come close to doing any of the things your little buddy Putin has done in Russia. Yet, you don't appear to care very much about winning the culture war here.
That's not exactly true. He didn't have full control and he didn't know where the levers were.
He had "Party" control. But from day one, he didn't have the enablers he will have in a second term. He had people (generals, Secretaries of State, elected officials who checked him.
Today, he calls those people "weak", they call him dangerous.
can you not see what a profoundly stupid comment that is?
He is not guilty?
Do you think OJ was innocent?FLBear5630 said:So, if he is found guilty of the charges? Appeals Courts don't overturn. Supreme Court does not agree with his attorneys. Witnesses testifying under oath and evidence presented under the rules of evidence.whiterock said:He broke no laws on any of those points, yet is facing highly contrived charges on some of it and a lot more unrelated to it, just because the authoritarians in power are afraid of him.Mitch Blood Green said:I guess if you ignore the election results, ignore his words, ignore January 6, Ignore the fake electors, ignore the charges in Georgia and Arizona, Ignore the arguments in front of the Supreme Court and call everyone stupid, your position makes sense.whiterock said:lol. "48 months in office and he knew nothing, 4 years to learn how to prepare to suspend the Constitution and rule forever, but was clueless to pull it off. But now, after being subjected to 4 years of lawfare and no longer possessing the awesome powers of office, he knows everything and has all the right people in place to perfect a plan to destroy the Republic."Mitch Blood Green said:whiterock said:If Trump was going to end Democracy, he had four years to do it the first go-around. He was CIC of the entire military and federal apparatus. If he wanted to go full-Putin, he could have won the 2020 election 90-10, or he could have just made a few phone calls and dared anyone to throw him out.Mothra said:Yes, there are a number of countries around the world that significantly impinge on Christianity in the guise of "regulation." But that wasn't the point. I took issue with your absurd position that Putin was an "ally" of Christianity. If by "ally" you mean he allows Christians to merely exist, well, sure, so long as of course they confine their beliefs to themselves and live in Russia (Ukraine is apparently a different matter altogether).Sam Lowry said:Evangelism is regulated, not outlawed. Russia recognizes the importance of all forms of Christianity, as well as Judaism, Islam, and Buddhism, not just Russian Orthodoxy. I disagree with many of their policies, but none of that is really relevant to the war.Mothra said:
My friend, you have been deceived. While Putin may share some cultural beliefs with people who call themselves "Christians," he is no ally of Christianity in any way, shape or form. When you pass laws that outlaw evangelism outside of the church building, and severely restrict and penalize those who practice a faith other than the Russian Orthodoxy, that is in no way Christian. You might want to talk to some missionaries to Russia just to see how oppressive it's become.
The irony here is, you're defending a guy who is the antithesis of Christianity and democracy because he is an ally in the cultural war, yet constantly decry Trump because he's an anti-democratic despot, despite the fact he is also an ally in the cultural war and has achieved more in that battle than any Republican president before him. It's remarkable.
I also recognize that Trump is a cultural ally and has done many good things. I'm not willing to support him any more because I actually care about democracy in this country. The irony is that you criticize others while still supporting Trump, despite his open assaults on the republic, as long as he furthers your cultural agenda.
You're not willing to support Trump, but you will vociferously defend and support Putin for being a cultural ally. Is it because you are ethnocentric and only care about policies that personally affect you? Don't give a **** about the average every day Russian? We already know you couldn't give two ****s about the average Ukrainian, of course, so perhaps that's the case.
I would submit anyone who thinks there is any real danger Trump is going to overthrow democracy in our country is either a moron, or is all up in their emotions. There literally is zero chance Trump could come close to doing any of the things your little buddy Putin has done in Russia. Yet, you don't appear to care very much about winning the culture war here.
That's not exactly true. He didn't have full control and he didn't know where the levers were.
He had "Party" control. But from day one, he didn't have the enablers he will have in a second term. He had people (generals, Secretaries of State, elected officials who checked him.
Today, he calls those people "weak", they call him dangerous.
can you not see what a profoundly stupid comment that is?
He is not guilty?
I have no idea. He was acquitted. You are saying that we should disregard Court findings because we "think" people are guilty? What is the standard of guilt? If a jury trial with rules of evidence is not good enough. We go by what the media let's us see? In the format they want us to see it?whiterock said:Do you think OJ was innocent?FLBear5630 said:So, if he is found guilty of the charges? Appeals Courts don't overturn. Supreme Court does not agree with his attorneys. Witnesses testifying under oath and evidence presented under the rules of evidence.whiterock said:He broke no laws on any of those points, yet is facing highly contrived charges on some of it and a lot more unrelated to it, just because the authoritarians in power are afraid of him.Mitch Blood Green said:I guess if you ignore the election results, ignore his words, ignore January 6, Ignore the fake electors, ignore the charges in Georgia and Arizona, Ignore the arguments in front of the Supreme Court and call everyone stupid, your position makes sense.whiterock said:lol. "48 months in office and he knew nothing, 4 years to learn how to prepare to suspend the Constitution and rule forever, but was clueless to pull it off. But now, after being subjected to 4 years of lawfare and no longer possessing the awesome powers of office, he knows everything and has all the right people in place to perfect a plan to destroy the Republic."Mitch Blood Green said:whiterock said:If Trump was going to end Democracy, he had four years to do it the first go-around. He was CIC of the entire military and federal apparatus. If he wanted to go full-Putin, he could have won the 2020 election 90-10, or he could have just made a few phone calls and dared anyone to throw him out.Mothra said:Yes, there are a number of countries around the world that significantly impinge on Christianity in the guise of "regulation." But that wasn't the point. I took issue with your absurd position that Putin was an "ally" of Christianity. If by "ally" you mean he allows Christians to merely exist, well, sure, so long as of course they confine their beliefs to themselves and live in Russia (Ukraine is apparently a different matter altogether).Sam Lowry said:Evangelism is regulated, not outlawed. Russia recognizes the importance of all forms of Christianity, as well as Judaism, Islam, and Buddhism, not just Russian Orthodoxy. I disagree with many of their policies, but none of that is really relevant to the war.Mothra said:
My friend, you have been deceived. While Putin may share some cultural beliefs with people who call themselves "Christians," he is no ally of Christianity in any way, shape or form. When you pass laws that outlaw evangelism outside of the church building, and severely restrict and penalize those who practice a faith other than the Russian Orthodoxy, that is in no way Christian. You might want to talk to some missionaries to Russia just to see how oppressive it's become.
The irony here is, you're defending a guy who is the antithesis of Christianity and democracy because he is an ally in the cultural war, yet constantly decry Trump because he's an anti-democratic despot, despite the fact he is also an ally in the cultural war and has achieved more in that battle than any Republican president before him. It's remarkable.
I also recognize that Trump is a cultural ally and has done many good things. I'm not willing to support him any more because I actually care about democracy in this country. The irony is that you criticize others while still supporting Trump, despite his open assaults on the republic, as long as he furthers your cultural agenda.
You're not willing to support Trump, but you will vociferously defend and support Putin for being a cultural ally. Is it because you are ethnocentric and only care about policies that personally affect you? Don't give a **** about the average every day Russian? We already know you couldn't give two ****s about the average Ukrainian, of course, so perhaps that's the case.
I would submit anyone who thinks there is any real danger Trump is going to overthrow democracy in our country is either a moron, or is all up in their emotions. There literally is zero chance Trump could come close to doing any of the things your little buddy Putin has done in Russia. Yet, you don't appear to care very much about winning the culture war here.
That's not exactly true. He didn't have full control and he didn't know where the levers were.
He had "Party" control. But from day one, he didn't have the enablers he will have in a second term. He had people (generals, Secretaries of State, elected officials who checked him.
Today, he calls those people "weak", they call him dangerous.
can you not see what a profoundly stupid comment that is?
He is not guilty?
You have no idea if OJ really killed those people or not. We can speculate, we can say we think? But, when rules of evidence were used, a jury that the accuser had a part in selecting, said they didn't think so. But we know better?
Same with Trump. We know better, we have more information than the jury selected by both sides seeing evidence that has to meet an agreed standard? You know. Really surprised an "analyst", someone that respects data as much as you post. For certain things, say "I know more" with no real access to the data. At least I am consistent, either we respect and follow our system or not.
10 years of this will cost us trillions.
Zelensky announces that Ukraine is working on a security agreement with the U.S. that will fix levels of support for the next 10 years. The $61 billion was just the beginning. The next two U.S. presidents won’t be able to switch it off. pic.twitter.com/q1RWCxf93m
— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) April 28, 2024
There are more than a few legal analysts ill-disposed to Trump who have lambasted that NYC case. It's not spin to note the trial is over a misdemeanor case outside the statute of limitations bumped up to a felony ostensibly because the acts were connected to some unspecified other crime. It's not spin to note that Bragg dropped the charges years ago, and then resurrected them shortly after a senior DOJ official left the DOJ to join the NYC prosecutor staff. Who does that? A political appointee leaves a DOJ leadership position to consult on a state level prosecution? A prosecution in which the lead witness has been convicted of multiple crimes, to include perjury? A prosecution where the judge is a Biden donor whose wife worked for AG James (who literally campaigned on a pledge to 'get Trump") and whose daughter is a consultant for VP Harris. A prosecution where the jury pool is pulled from an area 90% Biden voters.FLBear5630 said:I have no idea. He was acquitted. You are saying that we should disregard Court findings because we "think" people are guilty? What is the standard of guilt? If a jury trial with rules of evidence is not good enough. We go by what the media let's us see? In the format they want us to see it?whiterock said:Do you think OJ was innocent?FLBear5630 said:So, if he is found guilty of the charges? Appeals Courts don't overturn. Supreme Court does not agree with his attorneys. Witnesses testifying under oath and evidence presented under the rules of evidence.whiterock said:He broke no laws on any of those points, yet is facing highly contrived charges on some of it and a lot more unrelated to it, just because the authoritarians in power are afraid of him.Mitch Blood Green said:I guess if you ignore the election results, ignore his words, ignore January 6, Ignore the fake electors, ignore the charges in Georgia and Arizona, Ignore the arguments in front of the Supreme Court and call everyone stupid, your position makes sense.whiterock said:lol. "48 months in office and he knew nothing, 4 years to learn how to prepare to suspend the Constitution and rule forever, but was clueless to pull it off. But now, after being subjected to 4 years of lawfare and no longer possessing the awesome powers of office, he knows everything and has all the right people in place to perfect a plan to destroy the Republic."Mitch Blood Green said:whiterock said:If Trump was going to end Democracy, he had four years to do it the first go-around. He was CIC of the entire military and federal apparatus. If he wanted to go full-Putin, he could have won the 2020 election 90-10, or he could have just made a few phone calls and dared anyone to throw him out.Mothra said:Yes, there are a number of countries around the world that significantly impinge on Christianity in the guise of "regulation." But that wasn't the point. I took issue with your absurd position that Putin was an "ally" of Christianity. If by "ally" you mean he allows Christians to merely exist, well, sure, so long as of course they confine their beliefs to themselves and live in Russia (Ukraine is apparently a different matter altogether).Sam Lowry said:Evangelism is regulated, not outlawed. Russia recognizes the importance of all forms of Christianity, as well as Judaism, Islam, and Buddhism, not just Russian Orthodoxy. I disagree with many of their policies, but none of that is really relevant to the war.Mothra said:
My friend, you have been deceived. While Putin may share some cultural beliefs with people who call themselves "Christians," he is no ally of Christianity in any way, shape or form. When you pass laws that outlaw evangelism outside of the church building, and severely restrict and penalize those who practice a faith other than the Russian Orthodoxy, that is in no way Christian. You might want to talk to some missionaries to Russia just to see how oppressive it's become.
The irony here is, you're defending a guy who is the antithesis of Christianity and democracy because he is an ally in the cultural war, yet constantly decry Trump because he's an anti-democratic despot, despite the fact he is also an ally in the cultural war and has achieved more in that battle than any Republican president before him. It's remarkable.
I also recognize that Trump is a cultural ally and has done many good things. I'm not willing to support him any more because I actually care about democracy in this country. The irony is that you criticize others while still supporting Trump, despite his open assaults on the republic, as long as he furthers your cultural agenda.
You're not willing to support Trump, but you will vociferously defend and support Putin for being a cultural ally. Is it because you are ethnocentric and only care about policies that personally affect you? Don't give a **** about the average every day Russian? We already know you couldn't give two ****s about the average Ukrainian, of course, so perhaps that's the case.
I would submit anyone who thinks there is any real danger Trump is going to overthrow democracy in our country is either a moron, or is all up in their emotions. There literally is zero chance Trump could come close to doing any of the things your little buddy Putin has done in Russia. Yet, you don't appear to care very much about winning the culture war here.
That's not exactly true. He didn't have full control and he didn't know where the levers were.
He had "Party" control. But from day one, he didn't have the enablers he will have in a second term. He had people (generals, Secretaries of State, elected officials who checked him.
Today, he calls those people "weak", they call him dangerous.
can you not see what a profoundly stupid comment that is?
He is not guilty?
You have no idea if OJ really killed those people or not. We can speculate, we can say we think? But, when rules of evidence were used, a jury that the accuser had a part in selecting, said they didn't think so. But we know better?
Same with Trump. We know better, we have more information than the jury selected by both sides seeing evidence that has to meet an agreed standard? You know. Really surprised an "analyst", someone that respects data as much as you post. For certain things, say "I know more" with no real access to the data. At least I am consistent, either we respect and follow our system or not.
None of that is disputable. It is an incredibly unfair prosecution, which if successful will likely be overturned on appeal.
If the process wants to be respected, it must first be respectable.
Ok, he's a victim. We need to gut the US Government and start over under Trump's flag.whiterock said:There are more than a few legal analysts ill-disposed to Trump who have lambasted that NYC case. It's not spin to note the trial is over a misdemeanor case outside the statute of limitations bumped up to a felony ostensibly because the acts were connected to some unspecified other crime. It's not spin to note that Bragg dropped the charges years ago, and then resurrected them shortly after a senior DOJ official left the DOJ to join the NYC prosecutor staff. Who does that? A political appointee leaves a DOJ leadership position to consult on a state level prosecution? A prosecution in which the lead witness has been convicted of multiple crimes, to include perjury? A prosecution where the judge is a Biden donor whose wife worked for AG James (who literally campaigned on a pledge to 'get Trump") and whose daughter is a consultant for VP Harris. A prosecution where the jury pool is pulled from an area 90% Biden voters.FLBear5630 said:I have no idea. He was acquitted. You are saying that we should disregard Court findings because we "think" people are guilty? What is the standard of guilt? If a jury trial with rules of evidence is not good enough. We go by what the media let's us see? In the format they want us to see it?whiterock said:Do you think OJ was innocent?FLBear5630 said:So, if he is found guilty of the charges? Appeals Courts don't overturn. Supreme Court does not agree with his attorneys. Witnesses testifying under oath and evidence presented under the rules of evidence.whiterock said:He broke no laws on any of those points, yet is facing highly contrived charges on some of it and a lot more unrelated to it, just because the authoritarians in power are afraid of him.Mitch Blood Green said:I guess if you ignore the election results, ignore his words, ignore January 6, Ignore the fake electors, ignore the charges in Georgia and Arizona, Ignore the arguments in front of the Supreme Court and call everyone stupid, your position makes sense.whiterock said:lol. "48 months in office and he knew nothing, 4 years to learn how to prepare to suspend the Constitution and rule forever, but was clueless to pull it off. But now, after being subjected to 4 years of lawfare and no longer possessing the awesome powers of office, he knows everything and has all the right people in place to perfect a plan to destroy the Republic."Mitch Blood Green said:whiterock said:If Trump was going to end Democracy, he had four years to do it the first go-around. He was CIC of the entire military and federal apparatus. If he wanted to go full-Putin, he could have won the 2020 election 90-10, or he could have just made a few phone calls and dared anyone to throw him out.Mothra said:Yes, there are a number of countries around the world that significantly impinge on Christianity in the guise of "regulation." But that wasn't the point. I took issue with your absurd position that Putin was an "ally" of Christianity. If by "ally" you mean he allows Christians to merely exist, well, sure, so long as of course they confine their beliefs to themselves and live in Russia (Ukraine is apparently a different matter altogether).Sam Lowry said:Evangelism is regulated, not outlawed. Russia recognizes the importance of all forms of Christianity, as well as Judaism, Islam, and Buddhism, not just Russian Orthodoxy. I disagree with many of their policies, but none of that is really relevant to the war.Mothra said:
My friend, you have been deceived. While Putin may share some cultural beliefs with people who call themselves "Christians," he is no ally of Christianity in any way, shape or form. When you pass laws that outlaw evangelism outside of the church building, and severely restrict and penalize those who practice a faith other than the Russian Orthodoxy, that is in no way Christian. You might want to talk to some missionaries to Russia just to see how oppressive it's become.
The irony here is, you're defending a guy who is the antithesis of Christianity and democracy because he is an ally in the cultural war, yet constantly decry Trump because he's an anti-democratic despot, despite the fact he is also an ally in the cultural war and has achieved more in that battle than any Republican president before him. It's remarkable.
I also recognize that Trump is a cultural ally and has done many good things. I'm not willing to support him any more because I actually care about democracy in this country. The irony is that you criticize others while still supporting Trump, despite his open assaults on the republic, as long as he furthers your cultural agenda.
You're not willing to support Trump, but you will vociferously defend and support Putin for being a cultural ally. Is it because you are ethnocentric and only care about policies that personally affect you? Don't give a **** about the average every day Russian? We already know you couldn't give two ****s about the average Ukrainian, of course, so perhaps that's the case.
I would submit anyone who thinks there is any real danger Trump is going to overthrow democracy in our country is either a moron, or is all up in their emotions. There literally is zero chance Trump could come close to doing any of the things your little buddy Putin has done in Russia. Yet, you don't appear to care very much about winning the culture war here.
That's not exactly true. He didn't have full control and he didn't know where the levers were.
He had "Party" control. But from day one, he didn't have the enablers he will have in a second term. He had people (generals, Secretaries of State, elected officials who checked him.
Today, he calls those people "weak", they call him dangerous.
can you not see what a profoundly stupid comment that is?
He is not guilty?
You have no idea if OJ really killed those people or not. We can speculate, we can say we think? But, when rules of evidence were used, a jury that the accuser had a part in selecting, said they didn't think so. But we know better?
Same with Trump. We know better, we have more information than the jury selected by both sides seeing evidence that has to meet an agreed standard? You know. Really surprised an "analyst", someone that respects data as much as you post. For certain things, say "I know more" with no real access to the data. At least I am consistent, either we respect and follow our system or not.
None of that is disputable. It is an incredibly unfair prosecution, which if successful will likely be overturned on appeal.
If the process wants to be respected, it must first be respectable.
That is really the only acceptable answer here, right? Trump didn't do anything that brought these charges, no matter what the witnesses or evidence says. It is all Biden.
Jan 6th was a peaceful demonstration.
He didn't do anything in GA, even though the Republican Gov and AG said he did, really didn't happen.
Any classified documents were planted and if one did exist, no matter what it says or who he showed, it should be ignored.
No matter what amount of money or how it was given to the stripper to make sure it did not show up in the 2016 election coverage is off limits.
Creating artificial values on properties and telling that they can be developed when they can't. Didn't happen and because the Bank didn't file is a non-case.
All this there is nothing that should be looked at further.
BREAKING:
— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) April 30, 2024
Poland has handed in an official request to Washington to have U.S. nuclear weapons hosted in Poland.
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Move out of Germany if they don't want us. Poland definitely does. They will actually pay their share.boognish_bear said:BREAKING:
— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) April 30, 2024
Poland has handed in an official request to Washington to have U.S. nuclear weapons hosted in Poland.
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FLBear5630 said:Move out of Germany if they don't want us. Poland definitely does. They will actually pay their share.boognish_bear said:BREAKING:
— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) April 30, 2024
Poland has handed in an official request to Washington to have U.S. nuclear weapons hosted in Poland.
🇵🇱🇺🇸 pic.twitter.com/UEt7tWSnXJ
Germany, the land of my ancestors, is about to become an Islamic Caliphate bcs you fools continue to support our Zionist government which has no interest in preserving the people, history, and culture of the continent.
We could send money and arms to the German nationalist party like we do with Israel and they could go postal on the Islamic fundamentalist like we encourage Israel to do.
America is responsible for destroying Europe... white American men need to group up and emulate the Jews ASAP to save Europe and America.
The_barBEARian said:FLBear5630 said:Move out of Germany if they don't want us. Poland definitely does. They will actually pay their share.boognish_bear said:BREAKING:
— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) April 30, 2024
Poland has handed in an official request to Washington to have U.S. nuclear weapons hosted in Poland.
🇵🇱🇺🇸 pic.twitter.com/UEt7tWSnXJ
Germany, the land of my ancestors, is about to become an Islamic Caliphate bcs you fools continue to support our Zionist government which has no interest in preserving the people, history, and culture of the continent.
We could send money and arms to the German nationalist party like we do with Israel and they could go postal on the Islamic fundamentalist like we encourage Israel to do.
America is responsible for destroying Europe... white American men need to group up and immulate the Jews ASAP to save Europe and America.
Just need the Horst-Wessel-Lied playing in the background. Your there...
FLBear5630 said:The_barBEARian said:FLBear5630 said:Move out of Germany if they don't want us. Poland definitely does. They will actually pay their share.boognish_bear said:BREAKING:
— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) April 30, 2024
Poland has handed in an official request to Washington to have U.S. nuclear weapons hosted in Poland.
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Germany, the land of my ancestors, is about to become an Islamic Caliphate bcs you fools continue to support our Zionist government which has no interest in preserving the people, history, and culture of the continent.
We could send money and arms to the German nationalist party like we do with Israel and they could go postal on the Islamic fundamentalist like we encourage Israel to do.
America is responsible for destroying Europe... white American men need to group up and immulate the Jews ASAP to save Europe and America.
Just need the Horst-Wessel-Lied playing in the background. Your there...
Ok...?
What's your point?
That present day Germans deserve to suffer and lose their country because of your sick revenge fantasies?