Pertinent to our discussion


[What If There Were Russian Missiles in Canada?

Washington demands from other nations what it would not tolerate for itself.

Imagine it is October 2025. A ceasefire has been achieved between Russia and Ukraine. Moscow's attention shifted to North America. Canada's left-wing prime minister leaned toward making a trade deal with Russia and its Central Asian partners. Washington, however, offered a last-minute financial sweetener, an early Christmas present of sorts, and Ottawa turned back to the U.S.

Angry crowds hit the streets, causing chaos in Canada's capital. Moscow promotes the violence, as its propagandists lauded democracy in action. When the police give way, Canada's premier flees south. Russian operatives begin putting their candidates for office forward, and new elections confirm a sharp shift toward Russia, which invites Ottawa to join the Collective Security Treaty Organization. The U.S. responds by invading Canada. The Canucks prove surprisingly resilient against personnel used to fighting distant irregulars, and Moscow floods Canada with weapons, including missiles, for use against America. The first salvo results in strikes on cities across America, including on the U.S. Capitol in Washington, DC.

Predict Washington's reaction. 1) Officials admit that Moscow had every right to send arms for Canada's defense, noting that "it's something that we did for Ukraine"; 2) policymakers agree that the costs of the continuing war were too great and decided to make a humiliating withdrawal; 3) the president warns that unless Russia stood down "immediately," there would be serious and deadly consequences....]


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-if-there-were-russian-missiles-in-canada/

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

Pertinent to our discussion


[What If There Were Russian Missiles in Canada?

Washington demands from other nations what it would not tolerate for itself.

Imagine it is October 2025. A ceasefire has been achieved between Russia and Ukraine. Moscow's attention shifted to North America. Canada's left-wing prime minister leaned toward making a trade deal with Russia and its Central Asian partners. Washington, however, offered a last-minute financial sweetener, an early Christmas present of sorts, and Ottawa turned back to the U.S.

Angry crowds hit the streets, causing chaos in Canada's capital. Moscow promotes the violence, as its propagandists lauded democracy in action. When the police give way, Canada's premier flees south. Russian operatives begin putting their candidates for office forward, and new elections confirm a sharp shift toward Russia, which invites Ottawa to join the Collective Security Treaty Organization. The U.S. responds by invading Canada. The Canucks prove surprisingly resilient against personnel used to fighting distant irregulars, and Moscow floods Canada with weapons, including missiles, for use against America. The first salvo results in strikes on cities across America, including on the U.S. Capitol in Washington, DC.

Predict Washington's reaction. 1) Officials admit that Moscow had every right to send arms for Canada's defense, noting that "it's something that we did for Ukraine"; 2) policymakers agree that the costs of the continuing war were too great and decided to make a humiliating withdrawal; 3) the president warns that unless Russia stood down "immediately," there would be serious and deadly consequences....]


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-if-there-were-russian-missiles-in-canada/

---

Russia has strong alliances in our hemisphere. We have lived with them,

---

When the old Soviet Union put missiles in Cuba (90 miles from us) we nearly had a nuclear war. Sent the U.S. Navy to blockade the island. (something many think was illegal under international law)

[The term "blockade" was problematic according to international law, a blockade is an act of war, but the Kennedy administration did not think that the Soviets would be provoked to attack by a mere blockade]

We sponsored a CIA invasion of the island to over throw the government.

And we attempted to assassinate Castro multiple times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro#:~:text=The%201975%20Church%20Committee%20claimed,634%20assassination%20schemes%20or%20attempts.

That just living with it huh....

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

Pertinent to our discussion


[What If There Were Russian Missiles in Canada?

Washington demands from other nations what it would not tolerate for itself.

Imagine it is October 2025. A ceasefire has been achieved between Russia and Ukraine. Moscow's attention shifted to North America. Canada's left-wing prime minister leaned toward making a trade deal with Russia and its Central Asian partners. Washington, however, offered a last-minute financial sweetener, an early Christmas present of sorts, and Ottawa turned back to the U.S.

Angry crowds hit the streets, causing chaos in Canada's capital. Moscow promotes the violence, as its propagandists lauded democracy in action. When the police give way, Canada's premier flees south. Russian operatives begin putting their candidates for office forward, and new elections confirm a sharp shift toward Russia, which invites Ottawa to join the Collective Security Treaty Organization. The U.S. responds by invading Canada. The Canucks prove surprisingly resilient against personnel used to fighting distant irregulars, and Moscow floods Canada with weapons, including missiles, for use against America. The first salvo results in strikes on cities across America, including on the U.S. Capitol in Washington, DC.

Predict Washington's reaction. 1) Officials admit that Moscow had every right to send arms for Canada's defense, noting that "it's something that we did for Ukraine"; 2) policymakers agree that the costs of the continuing war were too great and decided to make a humiliating withdrawal; 3) the president warns that unless Russia stood down "immediately," there would be serious and deadly consequences....]


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-if-there-were-russian-missiles-in-canada/

---

Russia has strong alliances in our hemisphere. We have lived with them,

---

When the old Soviet Union put missiles in Cuba (90 miles from us) we nearly had a nuclear war. Sent the U.S. Navy to blockade the island. (something many think was illegal under international law)

We sponsored a CIA invasion of the island to over throw the government.

And we attempted to assassinate Castro multiple times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro#:~:text=The%201975%20Church%20Committee%20claimed,634%20assassination%20schemes%20or%20attempts.

That just living with it huh....

---

Yet at any time for 70 years we could have formally invaded and taken over Cuba. We never have.

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

Pertinent to our discussion


[What If There Were Russian Missiles in Canada?

Washington demands from other nations what it would not tolerate for itself.

Imagine it is October 2025. A ceasefire has been achieved between Russia and Ukraine. Moscow's attention shifted to North America. Canada's left-wing prime minister leaned toward making a trade deal with Russia and its Central Asian partners. Washington, however, offered a last-minute financial sweetener, an early Christmas present of sorts, and Ottawa turned back to the U.S.

Angry crowds hit the streets, causing chaos in Canada's capital. Moscow promotes the violence, as its propagandists lauded democracy in action. When the police give way, Canada's premier flees south. Russian operatives begin putting their candidates for office forward, and new elections confirm a sharp shift toward Russia, which invites Ottawa to join the Collective Security Treaty Organization. The U.S. responds by invading Canada. The Canucks prove surprisingly resilient against personnel used to fighting distant irregulars, and Moscow floods Canada with weapons, including missiles, for use against America. The first salvo results in strikes on cities across America, including on the U.S. Capitol in Washington, DC.

Predict Washington's reaction. 1) Officials admit that Moscow had every right to send arms for Canada's defense, noting that "it's something that we did for Ukraine"; 2) policymakers agree that the costs of the continuing war were too great and decided to make a humiliating withdrawal; 3) the president warns that unless Russia stood down "immediately," there would be serious and deadly consequences....]


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-if-there-were-russian-missiles-in-canada/

---

Russia has strong alliances in our hemisphere. We have lived with them,

---

When the old Soviet Union put missiles in Cuba (90 miles from us) we nearly had a nuclear war. Sent the U.S. Navy to blockade the island. (something many think was illegal under international law)

We sponsored a CIA invasion of the island to over throw the government.

And we attempted to assassinate Castro multiple times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro#:~:text=The%201975%20Church%20Committee%20claimed,634%20assassination%20schemes%20or%20attempts.

That just living with it huh....

---

Yet at any time for 70 years we could have formally invaded and taken over Cuba. We never have.

---

Gotcha....just coups, assassination attempts of their leaders, and mass Naval blockades that violate their sovereignty

You keep moving those goal posts.

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

Pertinent to our discussion


[What If There Were Russian Missiles in Canada?

Washington demands from other nations what it would not tolerate for itself.

Imagine it is October 2025. A ceasefire has been achieved between Russia and Ukraine. Moscow's attention shifted to North America. Canada's left-wing prime minister leaned toward making a trade deal with Russia and its Central Asian partners. Washington, however, offered a last-minute financial sweetener, an early Christmas present of sorts, and Ottawa turned back to the U.S.

Angry crowds hit the streets, causing chaos in Canada's capital. Moscow promotes the violence, as its propagandists lauded democracy in action. When the police give way, Canada's premier flees south. Russian operatives begin putting their candidates for office forward, and new elections confirm a sharp shift toward Russia, which invites Ottawa to join the Collective Security Treaty Organization. The U.S. responds by invading Canada. The Canucks prove surprisingly resilient against personnel used to fighting distant irregulars, and Moscow floods Canada with weapons, including missiles, for use against America. The first salvo results in strikes on cities across America, including on the U.S. Capitol in Washington, DC.

Predict Washington's reaction. 1) Officials admit that Moscow had every right to send arms for Canada's defense, noting that "it's something that we did for Ukraine"; 2) policymakers agree that the costs of the continuing war were too great and decided to make a humiliating withdrawal; 3) the president warns that unless Russia stood down "immediately," there would be serious and deadly consequences....]


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-if-there-were-russian-missiles-in-canada/

---

Russia has strong alliances in our hemisphere. We have lived with them,

---

When the old Soviet Union put missiles in Cuba (90 miles from us) we nearly had a nuclear war. Sent the U.S. Navy to blockade the island. (something many think was illegal under international law)

We sponsored a CIA invasion of the island to over throw the government.

And we attempted to assassinate Castro multiple times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro#:~:text=The%201975%20Church%20Committee%20claimed,634%20assassination%20schemes%20or%20attempts.

That just living with it huh....

---

Yet at any time for 70 years we could have formally invaded and taken over Cuba. We never have.

---

Gotcha....just coups, assassination attempts of their leaders, and mass Naval blockades that violate their sovereignty

You keep moving those goal posts.

---

I'm not moving anything. The flawed (in my view) premise is that we'd do to Canada what Russia has done to Ukraine and others.

I've never denied most accusations against the CIA. I've posted numerous times about our meddling while pointing out that everyone does it, and nobody more than Russia.

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

Pertinent to our discussion


[What If There Were Russian Missiles in Canada?

Washington demands from other nations what it would not tolerate for itself.

Imagine it is October 2025. A ceasefire has been achieved between Russia and Ukraine. Moscow's attention shifted to North America. Canada's left-wing prime minister leaned toward making a trade deal with Russia and its Central Asian partners. Washington, however, offered a last-minute financial sweetener, an early Christmas present of sorts, and Ottawa turned back to the U.S.

Angry crowds hit the streets, causing chaos in Canada's capital. Moscow promotes the violence, as its propagandists lauded democracy in action. When the police give way, Canada's premier flees south. Russian operatives begin putting their candidates for office forward, and new elections confirm a sharp shift toward Russia, which invites Ottawa to join the Collective Security Treaty Organization. The U.S. responds by invading Canada. The Canucks prove surprisingly resilient against personnel used to fighting distant irregulars, and Moscow floods Canada with weapons, including missiles, for use against America. The first salvo results in strikes on cities across America, including on the U.S. Capitol in Washington, DC.

Predict Washington's reaction. 1) Officials admit that Moscow had every right to send arms for Canada's defense, noting that "it's something that we did for Ukraine"; 2) policymakers agree that the costs of the continuing war were too great and decided to make a humiliating withdrawal; 3) the president warns that unless Russia stood down "immediately," there would be serious and deadly consequences....]


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-if-there-were-russian-missiles-in-canada/

---

Russia has strong alliances in our hemisphere. We have lived with them,

---

When the old Soviet Union put missiles in Cuba (90 miles from us) we nearly had a nuclear war. Sent the U.S. Navy to blockade the island. (something many think was illegal under international law)

We sponsored a CIA invasion of the island to over throw the government.

And we attempted to assassinate Castro multiple times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro#:~:text=The%201975%20Church%20Committee%20claimed,634%20assassination%20schemes%20or%20attempts.

That just living with it huh....

---

Yet at any time for 70 years we could have formally invaded and taken over Cuba. We never have.

---

Gotcha....just coups, assassination attempts of their leaders, and mass Naval blockades that violate their sovereignty

You keep moving those goal posts.

---

I'm not moving anything. The flawed (in my view) premise is that we'd do to Canada what Russia has done to Ukraine and others.

---

Historically we have invaded Canada and Mexico for much less than nuclear weapons aimed at us.

But if Russia sponsored a coup in Ottawa and installed a pro-Russia government we would not do anything? Laughable..

You see clearly that D.C. will engaged in strong measures to secure its periphery (coups, assassination attempts, invasions, blockades, etc) .....you just don't like it when Moocow does it.

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

Pertinent to our discussion


[What If There Were Russian Missiles in Canada?

Washington demands from other nations what it would not tolerate for itself.

Imagine it is October 2025. A ceasefire has been achieved between Russia and Ukraine. Moscow's attention shifted to North America. Canada's left-wing prime minister leaned toward making a trade deal with Russia and its Central Asian partners. Washington, however, offered a last-minute financial sweetener, an early Christmas present of sorts, and Ottawa turned back to the U.S.

Angry crowds hit the streets, causing chaos in Canada's capital. Moscow promotes the violence, as its propagandists lauded democracy in action. When the police give way, Canada's premier flees south. Russian operatives begin putting their candidates for office forward, and new elections confirm a sharp shift toward Russia, which invites Ottawa to join the Collective Security Treaty Organization. The U.S. responds by invading Canada. The Canucks prove surprisingly resilient against personnel used to fighting distant irregulars, and Moscow floods Canada with weapons, including missiles, for use against America. The first salvo results in strikes on cities across America, including on the U.S. Capitol in Washington, DC.

Predict Washington's reaction. 1) Officials admit that Moscow had every right to send arms for Canada's defense, noting that "it's something that we did for Ukraine"; 2) policymakers agree that the costs of the continuing war were too great and decided to make a humiliating withdrawal; 3) the president warns that unless Russia stood down "immediately," there would be serious and deadly consequences....]


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-if-there-were-russian-missiles-in-canada/

---

Russia has strong alliances in our hemisphere. We have lived with them,

---

When the old Soviet Union put missiles in Cuba (90 miles from us) we nearly had a nuclear war. Sent the U.S. Navy to blockade the island. (something many think was illegal under international law)

We sponsored a CIA invasion of the island to over throw the government.

And we attempted to assassinate Castro multiple times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro#:~:text=The%201975%20Church%20Committee%20claimed,634%20assassination%20schemes%20or%20attempts.

That just living with it huh....

---

Yet at any time for 70 years we could have formally invaded and taken over Cuba. We never have.

---

Gotcha....just coups, assassination attempts of their leaders, and mass Naval blockades that violate their sovereignty

You keep moving those goal posts.

---

I'm not moving anything. The flawed (in my view) premise is that we'd do to Canada what Russia has done to Ukraine and others.

---

Historically we have invaded Canada and Mexico for much less than nuclear weapons aimed at us.

But if Russia sponsored a coup in Ottawa and installed a pro-Russia government we would not do anything? Laughable..

You see clearly that D.C. will engaged in strong measures to secure its periphery (coups, assassination attempts, invasions, blockades, etc) .....you just don't like it when Moocow does it.

---

You're all over the place on time periods.

You are free to do so, but I don't compare current events with the 18th and 19th Centuries.

In fact, I'm reluctant to even compare current events to the Cold War, but I did for the sake of your argument.

I don't remember your age, but I grew up in the Cold War. It was dark. It was scary. It was waged all over the world in myriad ways - from intelligence to actual war. It affected every geopolitical issue and most economic issues.

We did not sponsor a coup and we did not install a government.

Russia, though, has done that in South America.

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

Pertinent to our discussion


[What If There Were Russian Missiles in Canada?

Washington demands from other nations what it would not tolerate for itself.

Imagine it is October 2025. A ceasefire has been achieved between Russia and Ukraine. Moscow's attention shifted to North America. Canada's left-wing prime minister leaned toward making a trade deal with Russia and its Central Asian partners. Washington, however, offered a last-minute financial sweetener, an early Christmas present of sorts, and Ottawa turned back to the U.S.

Angry crowds hit the streets, causing chaos in Canada's capital. Moscow promotes the violence, as its propagandists lauded democracy in action. When the police give way, Canada's premier flees south. Russian operatives begin putting their candidates for office forward, and new elections confirm a sharp shift toward Russia, which invites Ottawa to join the Collective Security Treaty Organization. The U.S. responds by invading Canada. The Canucks prove surprisingly resilient against personnel used to fighting distant irregulars, and Moscow floods Canada with weapons, including missiles, for use against America. The first salvo results in strikes on cities across America, including on the U.S. Capitol in Washington, DC.

Predict Washington's reaction. 1) Officials admit that Moscow had every right to send arms for Canada's defense, noting that "it's something that we did for Ukraine"; 2) policymakers agree that the costs of the continuing war were too great and decided to make a humiliating withdrawal; 3) the president warns that unless Russia stood down "immediately," there would be serious and deadly consequences....]


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-if-there-were-russian-missiles-in-canada/

---

Russia has strong alliances in our hemisphere. We have lived with them,

---

When the old Soviet Union put missiles in Cuba (90 miles from us) we nearly had a nuclear war. Sent the U.S. Navy to blockade the island. (something many think was illegal under international law)

We sponsored a CIA invasion of the island to over throw the government.

And we attempted to assassinate Castro multiple times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro#:~:text=The%201975%20Church%20Committee%20claimed,634%20assassination%20schemes%20or%20attempts.

That just living with it huh....

---

Yet at any time for 70 years we could have formally invaded and taken over Cuba. We never have.

---

Gotcha....just coups, assassination attempts of their leaders, and mass Naval blockades that violate their sovereignty

You keep moving those goal posts.

---

I'm not moving anything. The flawed (in my view) premise is that we'd do to Canada what Russia has done to Ukraine and others.

---

Historically we have invaded Canada and Mexico for much less than nuclear weapons aimed at us.

But if Russia sponsored a coup in Ottawa and installed a pro-Russia government we would not do anything? Laughable..

You see clearly that D.C. will engaged in strong measures to secure its periphery (coups, assassination attempts, invasions, blockades, etc) .....you just don't like it when Moocow does it.

---

We did not sponsor a coup and we did not install a government.

---

Vietnam
Iran
Dominican Republic
El Salvador

KaiBear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

Pertinent to our discussion


[What If There Were Russian Missiles in Canada?

Washington demands from other nations what it would not tolerate for itself.

Imagine it is October 2025. A ceasefire has been achieved between Russia and Ukraine. Moscow's attention shifted to North America. Canada's left-wing prime minister leaned toward making a trade deal with Russia and its Central Asian partners. Washington, however, offered a last-minute financial sweetener, an early Christmas present of sorts, and Ottawa turned back to the U.S.

Angry crowds hit the streets, causing chaos in Canada's capital. Moscow promotes the violence, as its propagandists lauded democracy in action. When the police give way, Canada's premier flees south. Russian operatives begin putting their candidates for office forward, and new elections confirm a sharp shift toward Russia, which invites Ottawa to join the Collective Security Treaty Organization. The U.S. responds by invading Canada. The Canucks prove surprisingly resilient against personnel used to fighting distant irregulars, and Moscow floods Canada with weapons, including missiles, for use against America. The first salvo results in strikes on cities across America, including on the U.S. Capitol in Washington, DC.

Predict Washington's reaction. 1) Officials admit that Moscow had every right to send arms for Canada's defense, noting that "it's something that we did for Ukraine"; 2) policymakers agree that the costs of the continuing war were too great and decided to make a humiliating withdrawal; 3) the president warns that unless Russia stood down "immediately," there would be serious and deadly consequences....]


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-if-there-were-russian-missiles-in-canada/

---

Russia has strong alliances in our hemisphere. We have lived with them,

---

When the old Soviet Union put missiles in Cuba (90 miles from us) we nearly had a nuclear war. Sent the U.S. Navy to blockade the island. (something many think was illegal under international law)

We sponsored a CIA invasion of the island to over throw the government.

And we attempted to assassinate Castro multiple times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro#:~:text=The%201975%20Church%20Committee%20claimed,634%20assassination%20schemes%20or%20attempts.

That just living with it huh....

---

Yet at any time for 70 years we could have formally invaded and taken over Cuba. We never have.

---

Gotcha....just coups, assassination attempts of their leaders, and mass Naval blockades that violate their sovereignty

You keep moving those goal posts.

---

I'm not moving anything. The flawed (in my view) premise is that we'd do to Canada what Russia has done to Ukraine and others.

---

Historically we have invaded Canada and Mexico for much less than nuclear weapons aimed at us.

But if Russia sponsored a coup in Ottawa and installed a pro-Russia government we would not do anything? Laughable..

You see clearly that D.C. will engaged in strong measures to secure its periphery (coups, assassination attempts, invasions, blockades, etc) .....you just don't like it when Moocow does it.

---

We did not sponsor a coup and we did not install a government.

---

Vietnam
Iran
Dominican Republic
El Salvador

---

I assumed he was referencing Ukraine.

Anyway, Vietnam and DR are debatable. Iran and El Salvador were incredibly unique situations. Nothing like Ukraine.

sombear said:

---

KaiBear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

Pertinent to our discussion


[What If There Were Russian Missiles in Canada?

Washington demands from other nations what it would not tolerate for itself.

Imagine it is October 2025. A ceasefire has been achieved between Russia and Ukraine. Moscow's attention shifted to North America. Canada's left-wing prime minister leaned toward making a trade deal with Russia and its Central Asian partners. Washington, however, offered a last-minute financial sweetener, an early Christmas present of sorts, and Ottawa turned back to the U.S.

Angry crowds hit the streets, causing chaos in Canada's capital. Moscow promotes the violence, as its propagandists lauded democracy in action. When the police give way, Canada's premier flees south. Russian operatives begin putting their candidates for office forward, and new elections confirm a sharp shift toward Russia, which invites Ottawa to join the Collective Security Treaty Organization. The U.S. responds by invading Canada. The Canucks prove surprisingly resilient against personnel used to fighting distant irregulars, and Moscow floods Canada with weapons, including missiles, for use against America. The first salvo results in strikes on cities across America, including on the U.S. Capitol in Washington, DC.

Predict Washington's reaction. 1) Officials admit that Moscow had every right to send arms for Canada's defense, noting that "it's something that we did for Ukraine"; 2) policymakers agree that the costs of the continuing war were too great and decided to make a humiliating withdrawal; 3) the president warns that unless Russia stood down "immediately," there would be serious and deadly consequences....]


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-if-there-were-russian-missiles-in-canada/

---

Russia has strong alliances in our hemisphere. We have lived with them,

---

When the old Soviet Union put missiles in Cuba (90 miles from us) we nearly had a nuclear war. Sent the U.S. Navy to blockade the island. (something many think was illegal under international law)

We sponsored a CIA invasion of the island to over throw the government.

And we attempted to assassinate Castro multiple times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro#:~:text=The%201975%20Church%20Committee%20claimed,634%20assassination%20schemes%20or%20attempts.

That just living with it huh....

---

Yet at any time for 70 years we could have formally invaded and taken over Cuba. We never have.

---

Gotcha....just coups, assassination attempts of their leaders, and mass Naval blockades that violate their sovereignty

You keep moving those goal posts.

---

I'm not moving anything. The flawed (in my view) premise is that we'd do to Canada what Russia has done to Ukraine and others.

---

Historically we have invaded Canada and Mexico for much less than nuclear weapons aimed at us.

But if Russia sponsored a coup in Ottawa and installed a pro-Russia government we would not do anything? Laughable..

You see clearly that D.C. will engaged in strong measures to secure its periphery (coups, assassination attempts, invasions, blockades, etc) .....you just don't like it when Moocow does it.

---

We did not sponsor a coup and we did not install a government.

---

Vietnam
Iran
Dominican Republic
El Salvador

---

I assumed he was referencing Ukraine.

Anyway, Vietnam and DR are debatable. Iran and El Salvador were incredibly unique situations. Nothing like Ukraine.

---

You want another example ?

Kennedy repeatedly attempted to assassinate Castro.

KaiBear said:

---

sombear said:

---

KaiBear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

Pertinent to our discussion


[What If There Were Russian Missiles in Canada?

Washington demands from other nations what it would not tolerate for itself.

Imagine it is October 2025. A ceasefire has been achieved between Russia and Ukraine. Moscow's attention shifted to North America. Canada's left-wing prime minister leaned toward making a trade deal with Russia and its Central Asian partners. Washington, however, offered a last-minute financial sweetener, an early Christmas present of sorts, and Ottawa turned back to the U.S.

Angry crowds hit the streets, causing chaos in Canada's capital. Moscow promotes the violence, as its propagandists lauded democracy in action. When the police give way, Canada's premier flees south. Russian operatives begin putting their candidates for office forward, and new elections confirm a sharp shift toward Russia, which invites Ottawa to join the Collective Security Treaty Organization. The U.S. responds by invading Canada. The Canucks prove surprisingly resilient against personnel used to fighting distant irregulars, and Moscow floods Canada with weapons, including missiles, for use against America. The first salvo results in strikes on cities across America, including on the U.S. Capitol in Washington, DC.

Predict Washington's reaction. 1) Officials admit that Moscow had every right to send arms for Canada's defense, noting that "it's something that we did for Ukraine"; 2) policymakers agree that the costs of the continuing war were too great and decided to make a humiliating withdrawal; 3) the president warns that unless Russia stood down "immediately," there would be serious and deadly consequences....]


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-if-there-were-russian-missiles-in-canada/

---

Russia has strong alliances in our hemisphere. We have lived with them,

---

When the old Soviet Union put missiles in Cuba (90 miles from us) we nearly had a nuclear war. Sent the U.S. Navy to blockade the island. (something many think was illegal under international law)

We sponsored a CIA invasion of the island to over throw the government.

And we attempted to assassinate Castro multiple times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro#:~:text=The%201975%20Church%20Committee%20claimed,634%20assassination%20schemes%20or%20attempts.

That just living with it huh....

---

Yet at any time for 70 years we could have formally invaded and taken over Cuba. We never have.

---

Gotcha....just coups, assassination attempts of their leaders, and mass Naval blockades that violate their sovereignty

You keep moving those goal posts.

---

I'm not moving anything. The flawed (in my view) premise is that we'd do to Canada what Russia has done to Ukraine and others.

---

Historically we have invaded Canada and Mexico for much less than nuclear weapons aimed at us.

But if Russia sponsored a coup in Ottawa and installed a pro-Russia government we would not do anything? Laughable..

You see clearly that D.C. will engaged in strong measures to secure its periphery (coups, assassination attempts, invasions, blockades, etc) .....you just don't like it when Moocow does it.

---

We did not sponsor a coup and we did not install a government.

---

Vietnam
Iran
Dominican Republic
El Salvador

---

I assumed he was referencing Ukraine.

Anyway, Vietnam and DR are debatable. Iran and El Salvador were incredibly unique situations. Nothing like Ukraine.

---

You want another example ?

Kennedy repeatedly attempted to assassinate Castro.

---

Castro was a piece of shlt commie dictator who destroyed his country. Putin is a piece of shlt wannabe commie (and formerly was in an official capacity) dictator who rules his region via the bully pulpit and iron fist. They both suck

Redbrickbear said:

---

whiterock said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

FLBear5630 said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

FLBear5630 said:

---

Sam Lowry said:

---

FLBear5630 said:

---

Sam Lowry said:

---

Ukrainska Pravda:

Quote:

---

The Pokrovsk front didn't just crumble overnight. Since 15 February 2024, when they withdrew from Avdiivka, Ukraine's defence forces have been retreating towards Pokrovsk sometimes faster, sometimes slower almost every week.

Throughout March and some of April, Russian forces gradually advanced west towards Umanske, Yasnoborodivka and Netailove. Then, in mid-April, they chose a route that was particularly advantageous for them: north from Avdiivka along the railway line. This tactic helped them to capture Ocheretyne, Prohres, Zhelanne, Novohrodivka…

"Before the offensive, I received intelligence that the Russians were going to assault Ocheretyne, where we had no troops at the positions," the officer says. "I passed this information on to my commanders straight away, but the commander of the brigade stationed there [the 115th Separate Mechanised Brigade ed.] responded: 'We have forces there, they're all there.'

Next morning the Russians started to walk into [Ocheretyne], moving through what were officially minefields but in fact there were no mines there. After we surrendered Novobakhmutivka, Ocheretyne and Soloviovo, the front started to collapse at the rate we're seeing now."

The ammunition to stop the Russian infantry ran out during the battles near Avdiivka in March 2024. A source in the 68th Brigade says that while each 120mm mortar would receive 50 shells per day in March, they got far fewer in September.

"That's a drop in the ocean for the defence of an area like this. We need to talk about this. Our commanders like to read us the field manuals, and there are standards for combat operations we don't meet them, and that means we can't perform tasks effectively. And then they ask why we are losing Donbas," the soldier says. His voice betrays his indignation and months of fatigue.

"The Russians use guided aerial bombs more often than we use mortars," he adds.

"The first problem on the Pokrovsk front is personnel numbers, the second is their level of training, and the third is the skills of the unit command. And then we run into the defence-related issues tactics, measures, and so on." This, a soldier from the 47th Brigade tells Ukrainska Pravda, is the order of priority of the reasons for the Russians' super-fast advance.

The massive shortage of personnel, especially infantry, has been a huge problem for the defence forces on the Pokrovsk front. Another soldier who spent six months on the Pokrovsk front recalls that "the lack of soldiers was always and immediately felt," as understaffed brigades were sent off to the battlefield.

"The backbone of the brigades was lost during the battles near Avdiivka, and the replenishments that arrived later left a lot to be desired," says a source from the 68th, explaining the shortage of motivated people. "The mobilisation failed. Let's be honest each subsequent replenishment was less motivated and trained. So they could not reliably hold the defence.

In Semenivka we had about 90% experienced people in the unit and 10% newcomers. Now we have about the same ratio, but the other way round. And the average age of the newcomers can even be 55+, not 45+."

Another point is that one of the stated aims of the Kursk operation was to draw Russian forces away from other locations where Ukraine was struggling due to a lack of weaponry. Ideally, one of these areas would have been Pokrovsk.

However, the first month of the operation showed that Putin, despite facing defeat on his own turf, did not adhere to the Ukrainian rules of the game. Russia did not withdraw its main forces from Pokrovsk. The Russian army continued its advance towards Hrodivka, Novohrodivka, Selydove and Hirnyk, advancing 6 to 12 km in the month after the Kursk operation began.

Another figure the official number of combat encounters reported by Ukraine's General Staff confirms that Russian infantry attacks on the Pokrovsk front have continued, and have in fact slightly intensified. We analysed the number of combat clashes on the Pokrovsk front before and after the Kursk operation began and found that it had increased significantly on average from 40 to 52 per day.

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/articles/2024/09/17/7475408/

---

---

What is your point? They should just give up? They have no choice, fight or cease to exist. Unless you are pro-russia and Ukraine losing is good, what is your point? Ukraine is losing so we backed a loser pull all support? Just trying to get where u are coming from.

---

The point is to base our decisions on reality. As David Ignatius wrote in the Washington Post, supporting Ukraine "as long as it takes" simply doesn't match the reality of this conflict. They cannot win a war of attrition.

---

It was up to them. How long does Ukraine want to fight? It is their call.

However, Zelensky did a lot of damage campaigning for Harris. He lost a lot of credibility.

---

Now long does Ukraine want to fight?

Good question.

Since Zelenskyy and his close associates are not going to hold an election during the war.

So it comes down to how long Zelensky decides to fight

The people of Ukraine have no say in the conflict

---

Sure they do, he has power as long as the let him have power. Trump has more assassination attempts against him! We are not even seeing any protests and the guy is flying around the world. If Ukraine wanted him out, he would be out.

---

I guess I'm confused

Are you saying that since they have no elections in Ukraine….if the people wanted him out they would just assassinate him?

That is an interesting way of doing politics

---

of all the arguments levied against support for Ukraine, "lack of elections" is perhaps the weakest.

---

Well its not a charged leveled at them....Its just a fact.

There are no elections in Ukraine during this war...so that means the Ukraine people are out of the decision making process.

Its just Zelensky and his buddies.

Do they sue for peace or keep fighting? Who knows....it's just up to Zelensky

---

Nope. There is a Ukrainian parliament which represent the people That parliament could cease funding at any time.


Check history. You will see how weak is this particular line of attack.

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

Pertinent to our discussion


[What If There Were Russian Missiles in Canada?

Washington demands from other nations what it would not tolerate for itself.

Imagine it is October 2025. A ceasefire has been achieved between Russia and Ukraine. Moscow's attention shifted to North America. Canada's left-wing prime minister leaned toward making a trade deal with Russia and its Central Asian partners. Washington, however, offered a last-minute financial sweetener, an early Christmas present of sorts, and Ottawa turned back to the U.S.

Angry crowds hit the streets, causing chaos in Canada's capital. Moscow promotes the violence, as its propagandists lauded democracy in action. When the police give way, Canada's premier flees south. Russian operatives begin putting their candidates for office forward, and new elections confirm a sharp shift toward Russia, which invites Ottawa to join the Collective Security Treaty Organization. The U.S. responds by invading Canada. The Canucks prove surprisingly resilient against personnel used to fighting distant irregulars, and Moscow floods Canada with weapons, including missiles, for use against America. The first salvo results in strikes on cities across America, including on the U.S. Capitol in Washington, DC.

Predict Washington's reaction. 1) Officials admit that Moscow had every right to send arms for Canada's defense, noting that "it's something that we did for Ukraine"; 2) policymakers agree that the costs of the continuing war were too great and decided to make a humiliating withdrawal; 3) the president warns that unless Russia stood down "immediately," there would be serious and deadly consequences....]


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-if-there-were-russian-missiles-in-canada/

---

But, mostly, it would never happen. Free countries don't align with Russia.

---

You bet they don't. We won't allow it!

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

Pertinent to our discussion


[What If There Were Russian Missiles in Canada?

Washington demands from other nations what it would not tolerate for itself.

Imagine it is October 2025. A ceasefire has been achieved between Russia and Ukraine. Moscow's attention shifted to North America. Canada's left-wing prime minister leaned toward making a trade deal with Russia and its Central Asian partners. Washington, however, offered a last-minute financial sweetener, an early Christmas present of sorts, and Ottawa turned back to the U.S.

Angry crowds hit the streets, causing chaos in Canada's capital. Moscow promotes the violence, as its propagandists lauded democracy in action. When the police give way, Canada's premier flees south. Russian operatives begin putting their candidates for office forward, and new elections confirm a sharp shift toward Russia, which invites Ottawa to join the Collective Security Treaty Organization. The U.S. responds by invading Canada. The Canucks prove surprisingly resilient against personnel used to fighting distant irregulars, and Moscow floods Canada with weapons, including missiles, for use against America. The first salvo results in strikes on cities across America, including on the U.S. Capitol in Washington, DC.

Predict Washington's reaction. 1) Officials admit that Moscow had every right to send arms for Canada's defense, noting that "it's something that we did for Ukraine"; 2) policymakers agree that the costs of the continuing war were too great and decided to make a humiliating withdrawal; 3) the president warns that unless Russia stood down "immediately," there would be serious and deadly consequences....]


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-if-there-were-russian-missiles-in-canada/

---

Russia has strong alliances in our hemisphere. We have lived with them,

---

When the old Soviet Union put missiles in Cuba (90 miles from us) we nearly had a nuclear war. Sent the U.S. Navy to blockade the island. (something many think was illegal under international law)

We sponsored a CIA invasion of the island to over throw the government.

And we attempted to assassinate Castro multiple times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro#:~:text=The%201975%20Church%20Committee%20claimed,634%20assassination%20schemes%20or%20attempts.

That just living with it huh....

---

Yet at any time for 70 years we could have formally invaded and taken over Cuba. We never have.

---

Gotcha....just coups, assassination attempts of their leaders, and mass Naval blockades that violate their sovereignty

You keep moving those goal posts.

---

I'm not moving anything. The flawed (in my view) premise is that we'd do to Canada what Russia has done to Ukraine and others.

---

Historically we have invaded Canada and Mexico for much less than nuclear weapons aimed at us.

But if Russia sponsored a coup in Ottawa and installed a pro-Russia government we would not do anything? Laughable..

You see clearly that D.C. will engaged in strong measures to secure its periphery (coups, assassination attempts, invasions, blockades, etc) .....you just don't like it when Moocow does it.

---

We did not sponsor a coup and we did not install a government.

---

Absolutely not true.

Sam Lowry said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

Pertinent to our discussion


[What If There Were Russian Missiles in Canada?

Washington demands from other nations what it would not tolerate for itself.

Imagine it is October 2025. A ceasefire has been achieved between Russia and Ukraine. Moscow's attention shifted to North America. Canada's left-wing prime minister leaned toward making a trade deal with Russia and its Central Asian partners. Washington, however, offered a last-minute financial sweetener, an early Christmas present of sorts, and Ottawa turned back to the U.S.

Angry crowds hit the streets, causing chaos in Canada's capital. Moscow promotes the violence, as its propagandists lauded democracy in action. When the police give way, Canada's premier flees south. Russian operatives begin putting their candidates for office forward, and new elections confirm a sharp shift toward Russia, which invites Ottawa to join the Collective Security Treaty Organization. The U.S. responds by invading Canada. The Canucks prove surprisingly resilient against personnel used to fighting distant irregulars, and Moscow floods Canada with weapons, including missiles, for use against America. The first salvo results in strikes on cities across America, including on the U.S. Capitol in Washington, DC.

Predict Washington's reaction. 1) Officials admit that Moscow had every right to send arms for Canada's defense, noting that "it's something that we did for Ukraine"; 2) policymakers agree that the costs of the continuing war were too great and decided to make a humiliating withdrawal; 3) the president warns that unless Russia stood down "immediately," there would be serious and deadly consequences....]


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-if-there-were-russian-missiles-in-canada/

---

But, mostly, it would never happen. Free countries don't align with Russia.

---

You bet they don't. We won't allow it!

---

Love to hear some names of countries that want to.

trey3216 said:

---

KaiBear said:

---

sombear said:

---

KaiBear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

Pertinent to our discussion


[What If There Were Russian Missiles in Canada?

Washington demands from other nations what it would not tolerate for itself.

Imagine it is October 2025. A ceasefire has been achieved between Russia and Ukraine. Moscow's attention shifted to North America. Canada's left-wing prime minister leaned toward making a trade deal with Russia and its Central Asian partners. Washington, however, offered a last-minute financial sweetener, an early Christmas present of sorts, and Ottawa turned back to the U.S.

Angry crowds hit the streets, causing chaos in Canada's capital. Moscow promotes the violence, as its propagandists lauded democracy in action. When the police give way, Canada's premier flees south. Russian operatives begin putting their candidates for office forward, and new elections confirm a sharp shift toward Russia, which invites Ottawa to join the Collective Security Treaty Organization. The U.S. responds by invading Canada. The Canucks prove surprisingly resilient against personnel used to fighting distant irregulars, and Moscow floods Canada with weapons, including missiles, for use against America. The first salvo results in strikes on cities across America, including on the U.S. Capitol in Washington, DC.

Predict Washington's reaction. 1) Officials admit that Moscow had every right to send arms for Canada's defense, noting that "it's something that we did for Ukraine"; 2) policymakers agree that the costs of the continuing war were too great and decided to make a humiliating withdrawal; 3) the president warns that unless Russia stood down "immediately," there would be serious and deadly consequences....]


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-if-there-were-russian-missiles-in-canada/

---

Russia has strong alliances in our hemisphere. We have lived with them,

---

When the old Soviet Union put missiles in Cuba (90 miles from us) we nearly had a nuclear war. Sent the U.S. Navy to blockade the island. (something many think was illegal under international law)

We sponsored a CIA invasion of the island to over throw the government.

And we attempted to assassinate Castro multiple times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro#:~:text=The%201975%20Church%20Committee%20claimed,634%20assassination%20schemes%20or%20attempts.

That just living with it huh....

---

Yet at any time for 70 years we could have formally invaded and taken over Cuba. We never have.

---

Gotcha....just coups, assassination attempts of their leaders, and mass Naval blockades that violate their sovereignty

You keep moving those goal posts.

---

I'm not moving anything. The flawed (in my view) premise is that we'd do to Canada what Russia has done to Ukraine and others.

---

Historically we have invaded Canada and Mexico for much less than nuclear weapons aimed at us.

But if Russia sponsored a coup in Ottawa and installed a pro-Russia government we would not do anything? Laughable..

You see clearly that D.C. will engaged in strong measures to secure its periphery (coups, assassination attempts, invasions, blockades, etc) .....you just don't like it when Moocow does it.

---

We did not sponsor a coup and we did not install a government.

---

Vietnam
Iran
Dominican Republic
El Salvador

---

I assumed he was referencing Ukraine.

Anyway, Vietnam and DR are debatable. Iran and El Salvador were incredibly unique situations. Nothing like Ukraine.

---

You want another example ?

Kennedy repeatedly attempted to assassinate Castro.

---

Castro was a piece of shlt commie dictator who destroyed his country. Putin is a piece of shlt wannabe commie (and formerly was in an official capacity) dictator who rules his region via the bully pulpit and iron fist. They both suck

---

Simpletons like you bore me.

When the US defeated Spain we didn't in fact give Cube their freedom as promised. For years the US governed the island against the wish of the people. When concluded US commercial interests owned much of the best sugar fields and sugar mills which were the island's overwhelming source of revenue.

To keep the facade of independence in play the US supported Cuban dictators who were notorious for their corruption and murderous behavior.

Even worse the American mafia established casinos, brothels and drug distribution throughout Cuba, but especially in Havana.

Castro won his revolution because the Cuban people were fed up with the Yankee domination of their country and the corruption of the mafia .


But to a genius like you it's far easier to just say ' they suck' or ' love it or leave it'.

Of course I am wasting my time here, God gave you a short stack and there is nothing either of us can do about it.

Putin is a nationalistic cold blooded murderer, but so was Curtis LeMay.

For that matter both JFK and Robert Kennedy weren't above killing others when it suited them.

So…..

God Bless the Elites and the minions in all countries who swallow the local propaganda only to die for someone else's monetary gain.

KaiBear said:

---

trey3216 said:

---

KaiBear said:

---

sombear said:

---

KaiBear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

Pertinent to our discussion


[What If There Were Russian Missiles in Canada?

Washington demands from other nations what it would not tolerate for itself.

Imagine it is October 2025. A ceasefire has been achieved between Russia and Ukraine. Moscow's attention shifted to North America. Canada's left-wing prime minister leaned toward making a trade deal with Russia and its Central Asian partners. Washington, however, offered a last-minute financial sweetener, an early Christmas present of sorts, and Ottawa turned back to the U.S.

Angry crowds hit the streets, causing chaos in Canada's capital. Moscow promotes the violence, as its propagandists lauded democracy in action. When the police give way, Canada's premier flees south. Russian operatives begin putting their candidates for office forward, and new elections confirm a sharp shift toward Russia, which invites Ottawa to join the Collective Security Treaty Organization. The U.S. responds by invading Canada. The Canucks prove surprisingly resilient against personnel used to fighting distant irregulars, and Moscow floods Canada with weapons, including missiles, for use against America. The first salvo results in strikes on cities across America, including on the U.S. Capitol in Washington, DC.

Predict Washington's reaction. 1) Officials admit that Moscow had every right to send arms for Canada's defense, noting that "it's something that we did for Ukraine"; 2) policymakers agree that the costs of the continuing war were too great and decided to make a humiliating withdrawal; 3) the president warns that unless Russia stood down "immediately," there would be serious and deadly consequences....]


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-if-there-were-russian-missiles-in-canada/

---

Russia has strong alliances in our hemisphere. We have lived with them,

---

When the old Soviet Union put missiles in Cuba (90 miles from us) we nearly had a nuclear war. Sent the U.S. Navy to blockade the island. (something many think was illegal under international law)

We sponsored a CIA invasion of the island to over throw the government.

And we attempted to assassinate Castro multiple times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro#:~:text=The%201975%20Church%20Committee%20claimed,634%20assassination%20schemes%20or%20attempts.

That just living with it huh....

---

Yet at any time for 70 years we could have formally invaded and taken over Cuba. We never have.

---

Gotcha....just coups, assassination attempts of their leaders, and mass Naval blockades that violate their sovereignty

You keep moving those goal posts.

---

I'm not moving anything. The flawed (in my view) premise is that we'd do to Canada what Russia has done to Ukraine and others.

---

Historically we have invaded Canada and Mexico for much less than nuclear weapons aimed at us.

But if Russia sponsored a coup in Ottawa and installed a pro-Russia government we would not do anything? Laughable..

You see clearly that D.C. will engaged in strong measures to secure its periphery (coups, assassination attempts, invasions, blockades, etc) .....you just don't like it when Moocow does it.

---

We did not sponsor a coup and we did not install a government.

---

Vietnam
Iran
Dominican Republic
El Salvador

---

I assumed he was referencing Ukraine.

Anyway, Vietnam and DR are debatable. Iran and El Salvador were incredibly unique situations. Nothing like Ukraine.

---

You want another example ?

Kennedy repeatedly attempted to assassinate Castro.

---

Castro was a piece of shlt commie dictator who destroyed his country. Putin is a piece of shlt wannabe commie (and formerly was in an official capacity) dictator who rules his region via the bully pulpit and iron fist. They both suck

---

Simpletons like you bore me.

When the US defeated Spain we didn't in fact give Cube their freedom as promised. For years the US governed the island against the wish of the people. When concluded US commercial interests owned much of the best sugar fields and sugar mills which were the island's overwhelming source of revenue.

To keep the facade of independence in play the US supported Cuban dictators who were notorious for their corruption and murderous behavior.

Even worse the American mafia established casinos, brothels and drug distribution throughout Cuba, but especially in Havana.

Castro won his revolution because the Cuban people were fed up with the Yankee domination of their country and the corruption of the mafia .


Of course to genius like you it's far easier to just say ' they suck' or ' love it or leave it'.

Of course I am wasting my time here because God gave you a short stack and you are too lazy to read.

Putin is a nationalistic like Trump only far more ruthless and a habitual killer. A cold blooded murderer, but so was Curtis LeMay.

For that matter both JFK and Robert Kennedy weren't above killing other people either .

---

I mean, overthrowing the Batista dictatorship in favor of Castro is a scene dozens of times over in Latin America. But keep up with your pancake references.

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

Pertinent to our discussion


[What If There Were Russian Missiles in Canada?

Washington demands from other nations what it would not tolerate for itself.

Imagine it is October 2025. A ceasefire has been achieved between Russia and Ukraine. Moscow's attention shifted to North America. Canada's left-wing prime minister leaned toward making a trade deal with Russia and its Central Asian partners. Washington, however, offered a last-minute financial sweetener, an early Christmas present of sorts, and Ottawa turned back to the U.S.

Angry crowds hit the streets, causing chaos in Canada's capital. Moscow promotes the violence, as its propagandists lauded democracy in action. When the police give way, Canada's premier flees south. Russian operatives begin putting their candidates for office forward, and new elections confirm a sharp shift toward Russia, which invites Ottawa to join the Collective Security Treaty Organization. The U.S. responds by invading Canada. The Canucks prove surprisingly resilient against personnel used to fighting distant irregulars, and Moscow floods Canada with weapons, including missiles, for use against America. The first salvo results in strikes on cities across America, including on the U.S. Capitol in Washington, DC.

Predict Washington's reaction. 1) Officials admit that Moscow had every right to send arms for Canada's defense, noting that "it's something that we did for Ukraine"; 2) policymakers agree that the costs of the continuing war were too great and decided to make a humiliating withdrawal; 3) the president warns that unless Russia stood down "immediately," there would be serious and deadly consequences....]


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-if-there-were-russian-missiles-in-canada/

---

Russia has strong alliances in our hemisphere. We have lived with them,

---

When the old Soviet Union put missiles in Cuba (90 miles from us) we nearly had a nuclear war. Sent the U.S. Navy to blockade the island. (something many think was illegal under international law)

We sponsored a CIA invasion of the island to over throw the government.

And we attempted to assassinate Castro multiple times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro#:~:text=The%201975%20Church%20Committee%20claimed,634%20assassination%20schemes%20or%20attempts.

That just living with it huh....

---

Yet at any time for 70 years we could have formally invaded and taken over Cuba. We never have.

---

Gotcha....just coups, assassination attempts of their leaders, and mass Naval blockades that violate their sovereignty

You keep moving those goal posts.

---

I'm not moving anything. The flawed (in my view) premise is that we'd do to Canada what Russia has done to Ukraine and others.

---

Historically we have invaded Canada and Mexico for much less than nuclear weapons aimed at us.

But if Russia sponsored a coup in Ottawa and installed a pro-Russia government we would not do anything? Laughable..

You see clearly that D.C. will engaged in strong measures to secure its periphery (coups, assassination attempts, invasions, blockades, etc) .....you just don't like it when Moocow does it.

---

You're all over the place on time periods.

You are free to do so, but I don't compare current events with the 18th and 19th Centuries.

---

Kind of like the guys on here who are all over time periods between the Russian Empire, the USSR, and the Modern Russian Federation (1600s-2024)

And those posters are absolutely right to point out that whatever State exists in Moscow has had an interest in Ukraine.

In a very similar manner the Untied States as ruled from DC has had a keen interest in Canada and Mexico.

Moscow is not going to stop interfering in Belarus/Ukraine....DC is not going to stop interfering in Canada/Mexico

trey3216 said:

---

KaiBear said:

---

trey3216 said:

---

KaiBear said:

---

sombear said:

---

KaiBear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

Pertinent to our discussion


[What If There Were Russian Missiles in Canada?

Washington demands from other nations what it would not tolerate for itself.

Imagine it is October 2025. A ceasefire has been achieved between Russia and Ukraine. Moscow's attention shifted to North America. Canada's left-wing prime minister leaned toward making a trade deal with Russia and its Central Asian partners. Washington, however, offered a last-minute financial sweetener, an early Christmas present of sorts, and Ottawa turned back to the U.S.

Angry crowds hit the streets, causing chaos in Canada's capital. Moscow promotes the violence, as its propagandists lauded democracy in action. When the police give way, Canada's premier flees south. Russian operatives begin putting their candidates for office forward, and new elections confirm a sharp shift toward Russia, which invites Ottawa to join the Collective Security Treaty Organization. The U.S. responds by invading Canada. The Canucks prove surprisingly resilient against personnel used to fighting distant irregulars, and Moscow floods Canada with weapons, including missiles, for use against America. The first salvo results in strikes on cities across America, including on the U.S. Capitol in Washington, DC.

Predict Washington's reaction. 1) Officials admit that Moscow had every right to send arms for Canada's defense, noting that "it's something that we did for Ukraine"; 2) policymakers agree that the costs of the continuing war were too great and decided to make a humiliating withdrawal; 3) the president warns that unless Russia stood down "immediately," there would be serious and deadly consequences....]


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-if-there-were-russian-missiles-in-canada/

---

Russia has strong alliances in our hemisphere. We have lived with them,

---

When the old Soviet Union put missiles in Cuba (90 miles from us) we nearly had a nuclear war. Sent the U.S. Navy to blockade the island. (something many think was illegal under international law)

We sponsored a CIA invasion of the island to over throw the government.

And we attempted to assassinate Castro multiple times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro#:~:text=The%201975%20Church%20Committee%20claimed,634%20assassination%20schemes%20or%20attempts.

That just living with it huh....

---

Yet at any time for 70 years we could have formally invaded and taken over Cuba. We never have.

---

Gotcha....just coups, assassination attempts of their leaders, and mass Naval blockades that violate their sovereignty

You keep moving those goal posts.

---

I'm not moving anything. The flawed (in my view) premise is that we'd do to Canada what Russia has done to Ukraine and others.

---

Historically we have invaded Canada and Mexico for much less than nuclear weapons aimed at us.

But if Russia sponsored a coup in Ottawa and installed a pro-Russia government we would not do anything? Laughable..

You see clearly that D.C. will engaged in strong measures to secure its periphery (coups, assassination attempts, invasions, blockades, etc) .....you just don't like it when Moocow does it.

---

We did not sponsor a coup and we did not install a government.

---

Vietnam
Iran
Dominican Republic
El Salvador

---

I assumed he was referencing Ukraine.

Anyway, Vietnam and DR are debatable. Iran and El Salvador were incredibly unique situations. Nothing like Ukraine.

---

You want another example ?

Kennedy repeatedly attempted to assassinate Castro.

---

Castro was a piece of shlt commie dictator who destroyed his country. Putin is a piece of shlt wannabe commie (and formerly was in an official capacity) dictator who rules his region via the bully pulpit and iron fist. They both suck

---

Simpletons like you bore me.

When the US defeated Spain we didn't in fact give Cube their freedom as promised. For years the US governed the island against the wish of the people. When concluded US commercial interests owned much of the best sugar fields and sugar mills which were the island's overwhelming source of revenue.

To keep the facade of independence in play the US supported Cuban dictators who were notorious for their corruption and murderous behavior.

Even worse the American mafia established casinos, brothels and drug distribution throughout Cuba, but especially in Havana.

Castro won his revolution because the Cuban people were fed up with the Yankee domination of their country and the corruption of the mafia .


Of course to genius like you it's far easier to just say ' they suck' or ' love it or leave it'.

Of course I am wasting my time here because God gave you a short stack and you are too lazy to read.

Putin is a nationalistic like Trump only far more ruthless and a habitual killer. A cold blooded murderer, but so was Curtis LeMay.

For that matter both JFK and Robert Kennedy weren't above killing other people either .

---

I mean, overthrowing the Batista dictatorship in favor of Castro is a scene dozens of times over in Latin America. But keep up with your pancake references.

---

You simply don't get it.

Batista was supported by the American government AND the mafia.

The Cuban people came to hate all three.

Making Castro very popular from the very beginning.

And Kennedy wanted him dead.

Putin is worse but only by degrees.

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

Pertinent to our discussion


[What If There Were Russian Missiles in Canada?

Washington demands from other nations what it would not tolerate for itself.

Imagine it is October 2025. A ceasefire has been achieved between Russia and Ukraine. Moscow's attention shifted to North America. Canada's left-wing prime minister leaned toward making a trade deal with Russia and its Central Asian partners. Washington, however, offered a last-minute financial sweetener, an early Christmas present of sorts, and Ottawa turned back to the U.S.

Angry crowds hit the streets, causing chaos in Canada's capital. Moscow promotes the violence, as its propagandists lauded democracy in action. When the police give way, Canada's premier flees south. Russian operatives begin putting their candidates for office forward, and new elections confirm a sharp shift toward Russia, which invites Ottawa to join the Collective Security Treaty Organization. The U.S. responds by invading Canada. The Canucks prove surprisingly resilient against personnel used to fighting distant irregulars, and Moscow floods Canada with weapons, including missiles, for use against America. The first salvo results in strikes on cities across America, including on the U.S. Capitol in Washington, DC.

Predict Washington's reaction. 1) Officials admit that Moscow had every right to send arms for Canada's defense, noting that "it's something that we did for Ukraine"; 2) policymakers agree that the costs of the continuing war were too great and decided to make a humiliating withdrawal; 3) the president warns that unless Russia stood down "immediately," there would be serious and deadly consequences....]


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-if-there-were-russian-missiles-in-canada/

---

Russia has strong alliances in our hemisphere. We have lived with them,

---

When the old Soviet Union put missiles in Cuba (90 miles from us) we nearly had a nuclear war. Sent the U.S. Navy to blockade the island. (something many think was illegal under international law)

We sponsored a CIA invasion of the island to over throw the government.

And we attempted to assassinate Castro multiple times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro#:~:text=The%201975%20Church%20Committee%20claimed,634%20assassination%20schemes%20or%20attempts.

That just living with it huh....

---

Yet at any time for 70 years we could have formally invaded and taken over Cuba. We never have.

---

Gotcha....just coups, assassination attempts of their leaders, and mass Naval blockades that violate their sovereignty

You keep moving those goal posts.

---

I'm not moving anything. The flawed (in my view) premise is that we'd do to Canada what Russia has done to Ukraine and others.

---

Historically we have invaded Canada and Mexico for much less than nuclear weapons aimed at us.

But if Russia sponsored a coup in Ottawa and installed a pro-Russia government we would not do anything? Laughable..

You see clearly that D.C. will engaged in strong measures to secure its periphery (coups, assassination attempts, invasions, blockades, etc) .....you just don't like it when Moocow does it.

---

We did not sponsor a coup and we did not install a government.

Russia, though, has done that in South America.

---

And we have a right to engage in counter coups and revolutions whenever they interfere in our part of the World.

Moscow does not belong West of the Bug river....and certainly not in the Western Hemisphere

(And DC does not belong East of the Bug river or in Central Asia)

whiterock said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

whiterock said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

FLBear5630 said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

FLBear5630 said:

---

Sam Lowry said:

---

FLBear5630 said:

---

Sam Lowry said:

---

Ukrainska Pravda:

Quote:

---

The Pokrovsk front didn't just crumble overnight. Since 15 February 2024, when they withdrew from Avdiivka, Ukraine's defence forces have been retreating towards Pokrovsk sometimes faster, sometimes slower almost every week.

Throughout March and some of April, Russian forces gradually advanced west towards Umanske, Yasnoborodivka and Netailove. Then, in mid-April, they chose a route that was particularly advantageous for them: north from Avdiivka along the railway line. This tactic helped them to capture Ocheretyne, Prohres, Zhelanne, Novohrodivka…

"Before the offensive, I received intelligence that the Russians were going to assault Ocheretyne, where we had no troops at the positions," the officer says. "I passed this information on to my commanders straight away, but the commander of the brigade stationed there [the 115th Separate Mechanised Brigade ed.] responded: 'We have forces there, they're all there.'

Next morning the Russians started to walk into [Ocheretyne], moving through what were officially minefields but in fact there were no mines there. After we surrendered Novobakhmutivka, Ocheretyne and Soloviovo, the front started to collapse at the rate we're seeing now."

The ammunition to stop the Russian infantry ran out during the battles near Avdiivka in March 2024. A source in the 68th Brigade says that while each 120mm mortar would receive 50 shells per day in March, they got far fewer in September.

"That's a drop in the ocean for the defence of an area like this. We need to talk about this. Our commanders like to read us the field manuals, and there are standards for combat operations we don't meet them, and that means we can't perform tasks effectively. And then they ask why we are losing Donbas," the soldier says. His voice betrays his indignation and months of fatigue.

"The Russians use guided aerial bombs more often than we use mortars," he adds.

"The first problem on the Pokrovsk front is personnel numbers, the second is their level of training, and the third is the skills of the unit command. And then we run into the defence-related issues tactics, measures, and so on." This, a soldier from the 47th Brigade tells Ukrainska Pravda, is the order of priority of the reasons for the Russians' super-fast advance.

The massive shortage of personnel, especially infantry, has been a huge problem for the defence forces on the Pokrovsk front. Another soldier who spent six months on the Pokrovsk front recalls that "the lack of soldiers was always and immediately felt," as understaffed brigades were sent off to the battlefield.

"The backbone of the brigades was lost during the battles near Avdiivka, and the replenishments that arrived later left a lot to be desired," says a source from the 68th, explaining the shortage of motivated people. "The mobilisation failed. Let's be honest each subsequent replenishment was less motivated and trained. So they could not reliably hold the defence.

In Semenivka we had about 90% experienced people in the unit and 10% newcomers. Now we have about the same ratio, but the other way round. And the average age of the newcomers can even be 55+, not 45+."

Another point is that one of the stated aims of the Kursk operation was to draw Russian forces away from other locations where Ukraine was struggling due to a lack of weaponry. Ideally, one of these areas would have been Pokrovsk.

However, the first month of the operation showed that Putin, despite facing defeat on his own turf, did not adhere to the Ukrainian rules of the game. Russia did not withdraw its main forces from Pokrovsk. The Russian army continued its advance towards Hrodivka, Novohrodivka, Selydove and Hirnyk, advancing 6 to 12 km in the month after the Kursk operation began.

Another figure the official number of combat encounters reported by Ukraine's General Staff confirms that Russian infantry attacks on the Pokrovsk front have continued, and have in fact slightly intensified. We analysed the number of combat clashes on the Pokrovsk front before and after the Kursk operation began and found that it had increased significantly on average from 40 to 52 per day.

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/articles/2024/09/17/7475408/

---

---

What is your point? They should just give up? They have no choice, fight or cease to exist. Unless you are pro-russia and Ukraine losing is good, what is your point? Ukraine is losing so we backed a loser pull all support? Just trying to get where u are coming from.

---

The point is to base our decisions on reality. As David Ignatius wrote in the Washington Post, supporting Ukraine "as long as it takes" simply doesn't match the reality of this conflict. They cannot win a war of attrition.

---

It was up to them. How long does Ukraine want to fight? It is their call.

However, Zelensky did a lot of damage campaigning for Harris. He lost a lot of credibility.

---

Now long does Ukraine want to fight?

Good question.

Since Zelenskyy and his close associates are not going to hold an election during the war.

So it comes down to how long Zelensky decides to fight

The people of Ukraine have no say in the conflict

---

Sure they do, he has power as long as the let him have power. Trump has more assassination attempts against him! We are not even seeing any protests and the guy is flying around the world. If Ukraine wanted him out, he would be out.

---

I guess I'm confused

Are you saying that since they have no elections in Ukraine….if the people wanted him out they would just assassinate him?

That is an interesting way of doing politics

---

of all the arguments levied against support for Ukraine, "lack of elections" is perhaps the weakest.

---

Well its not a charged leveled at them....Its just a fact.

There are no elections in Ukraine during this war...so that means the Ukraine people are out of the decision making process.

Its just Zelensky and his buddies.

Do they sue for peace or keep fighting? Who knows....it's just up to Zelensky

---

Nope. There is a Ukrainian parliament which represent the people That parliament could cease funding at any time.


Check history. You will see how weak is this particular line of attack.

---

Honestly its not a line of attack...but you think it is

There are no elections in Ukraine we all agree on this (obviously this is because of the Constitution)

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/how-ukraines-parliament-functions-during-wartime

But it also means the political process is thus frozen.

No new elections...no voice of the Ukraine people....status quo antebellum

Zelensky and his party hold the majority and will until the end of the war.

Thus they....and only they...can decide to end it or continue it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verkhovna_Rada

KaiBear said:

---

trey3216 said:

---

KaiBear said:

---

trey3216 said:

---

KaiBear said:

---

sombear said:

---

KaiBear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

Pertinent to our discussion


[What If There Were Russian Missiles in Canada?

Washington demands from other nations what it would not tolerate for itself.

Imagine it is October 2025. A ceasefire has been achieved between Russia and Ukraine. Moscow's attention shifted to North America. Canada's left-wing prime minister leaned toward making a trade deal with Russia and its Central Asian partners. Washington, however, offered a last-minute financial sweetener, an early Christmas present of sorts, and Ottawa turned back to the U.S.

Angry crowds hit the streets, causing chaos in Canada's capital. Moscow promotes the violence, as its propagandists lauded democracy in action. When the police give way, Canada's premier flees south. Russian operatives begin putting their candidates for office forward, and new elections confirm a sharp shift toward Russia, which invites Ottawa to join the Collective Security Treaty Organization. The U.S. responds by invading Canada. The Canucks prove surprisingly resilient against personnel used to fighting distant irregulars, and Moscow floods Canada with weapons, including missiles, for use against America. The first salvo results in strikes on cities across America, including on the U.S. Capitol in Washington, DC.

Predict Washington's reaction. 1) Officials admit that Moscow had every right to send arms for Canada's defense, noting that "it's something that we did for Ukraine"; 2) policymakers agree that the costs of the continuing war were too great and decided to make a humiliating withdrawal; 3) the president warns that unless Russia stood down "immediately," there would be serious and deadly consequences....]


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-if-there-were-russian-missiles-in-canada/

---

Russia has strong alliances in our hemisphere. We have lived with them,

---

When the old Soviet Union put missiles in Cuba (90 miles from us) we nearly had a nuclear war. Sent the U.S. Navy to blockade the island. (something many think was illegal under international law)

We sponsored a CIA invasion of the island to over throw the government.

And we attempted to assassinate Castro multiple times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro#:~:text=The%201975%20Church%20Committee%20claimed,634%20assassination%20schemes%20or%20attempts.

That just living with it huh....

---

Yet at any time for 70 years we could have formally invaded and taken over Cuba. We never have.

---

Gotcha....just coups, assassination attempts of their leaders, and mass Naval blockades that violate their sovereignty

You keep moving those goal posts.

---

I'm not moving anything. The flawed (in my view) premise is that we'd do to Canada what Russia has done to Ukraine and others.

---

Historically we have invaded Canada and Mexico for much less than nuclear weapons aimed at us.

But if Russia sponsored a coup in Ottawa and installed a pro-Russia government we would not do anything? Laughable..

You see clearly that D.C. will engaged in strong measures to secure its periphery (coups, assassination attempts, invasions, blockades, etc) .....you just don't like it when Moocow does it.

---

We did not sponsor a coup and we did not install a government.

---

Vietnam
Iran
Dominican Republic
El Salvador

---

I assumed he was referencing Ukraine.

Anyway, Vietnam and DR are debatable. Iran and El Salvador were incredibly unique situations. Nothing like Ukraine.

---

You want another example ?

Kennedy repeatedly attempted to assassinate Castro.

---

Castro was a piece of shlt commie dictator who destroyed his country. Putin is a piece of shlt wannabe commie (and formerly was in an official capacity) dictator who rules his region via the bully pulpit and iron fist. They both suck

---

Simpletons like you bore me.

When the US defeated Spain we didn't in fact give Cube their freedom as promised. For years the US governed the island against the wish of the people. When concluded US commercial interests owned much of the best sugar fields and sugar mills which were the island's overwhelming source of revenue.

To keep the facade of independence in play the US supported Cuban dictators who were notorious for their corruption and murderous behavior.

Even worse the American mafia established casinos, brothels and drug distribution throughout Cuba, but especially in Havana.

Castro won his revolution because the Cuban people were fed up with the Yankee domination of their country and the corruption of the mafia .


Of course to genius like you it's far easier to just say ' they suck' or ' love it or leave it'.

Of course I am wasting my time here because God gave you a short stack and you are too lazy to read.

Putin is a nationalistic like Trump only far more ruthless and a habitual killer. A cold blooded murderer, but so was Curtis LeMay.

For that matter both JFK and Robert Kennedy weren't above killing other people either .

---

I mean, overthrowing the Batista dictatorship in favor of Castro is a scene dozens of times over in Latin America. But keep up with your pancake references.

---

You simply don't get it.

Batista was supported by the American government AND the mafia.

The Cuban people came to hate all three.

Making Castro very popular from the very beginning.

And Kennedy wanted him dead.

Putin is worse but only by degrees.

---

No.....I fully get it. The Cuban people did come to hate all three....until they didn't. Until Castro placed an iron grip on the country and drove it into a competition with Haiti for the worst place to live in the hemisphere. THEY HATE Castro with the fire of a thousand suns. You simply don't get that both can be true. They hate America so much now that they drive over on boats made from automobiles to flee the decrepit economic situation they're in. Keep stacking those flapjacks.

KaiBear said:

---

trey3216 said:

---

KaiBear said:

---

trey3216 said:

---

KaiBear said:

---

sombear said:

---

KaiBear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

Pertinent to our discussion


[What If There Were Russian Missiles in Canada?

Washington demands from other nations what it would not tolerate for itself.

Imagine it is October 2025. A ceasefire has been achieved between Russia and Ukraine. Moscow's attention shifted to North America. Canada's left-wing prime minister leaned toward making a trade deal with Russia and its Central Asian partners. Washington, however, offered a last-minute financial sweetener, an early Christmas present of sorts, and Ottawa turned back to the U.S.

Angry crowds hit the streets, causing chaos in Canada's capital. Moscow promotes the violence, as its propagandists lauded democracy in action. When the police give way, Canada's premier flees south. Russian operatives begin putting their candidates for office forward, and new elections confirm a sharp shift toward Russia, which invites Ottawa to join the Collective Security Treaty Organization. The U.S. responds by invading Canada. The Canucks prove surprisingly resilient against personnel used to fighting distant irregulars, and Moscow floods Canada with weapons, including missiles, for use against America. The first salvo results in strikes on cities across America, including on the U.S. Capitol in Washington, DC.

Predict Washington's reaction. 1) Officials admit that Moscow had every right to send arms for Canada's defense, noting that "it's something that we did for Ukraine"; 2) policymakers agree that the costs of the continuing war were too great and decided to make a humiliating withdrawal; 3) the president warns that unless Russia stood down "immediately," there would be serious and deadly consequences....]


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-if-there-were-russian-missiles-in-canada/

---

Russia has strong alliances in our hemisphere. We have lived with them,

---

When the old Soviet Union put missiles in Cuba (90 miles from us) we nearly had a nuclear war. Sent the U.S. Navy to blockade the island. (something many think was illegal under international law)

We sponsored a CIA invasion of the island to over throw the government.

And we attempted to assassinate Castro multiple times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro#:~:text=The%201975%20Church%20Committee%20claimed,634%20assassination%20schemes%20or%20attempts.

That just living with it huh....

---

Yet at any time for 70 years we could have formally invaded and taken over Cuba. We never have.

---

Gotcha....just coups, assassination attempts of their leaders, and mass Naval blockades that violate their sovereignty

You keep moving those goal posts.

---

I'm not moving anything. The flawed (in my view) premise is that we'd do to Canada what Russia has done to Ukraine and others.

---

Historically we have invaded Canada and Mexico for much less than nuclear weapons aimed at us.

But if Russia sponsored a coup in Ottawa and installed a pro-Russia government we would not do anything? Laughable..

You see clearly that D.C. will engaged in strong measures to secure its periphery (coups, assassination attempts, invasions, blockades, etc) .....you just don't like it when Moocow does it.

---

We did not sponsor a coup and we did not install a government.

---

Vietnam
Iran
Dominican Republic
El Salvador

---

I assumed he was referencing Ukraine.

Anyway, Vietnam and DR are debatable. Iran and El Salvador were incredibly unique situations. Nothing like Ukraine.

---

You want another example ?

Kennedy repeatedly attempted to assassinate Castro.

---

Castro was a piece of shlt commie dictator who destroyed his country. Putin is a piece of shlt wannabe commie (and formerly was in an official capacity) dictator who rules his region via the bully pulpit and iron fist. They both suck

---

Simpletons like you bore me.

When the US defeated Spain we didn't in fact give Cube their freedom as promised. For years the US governed the island against the wish of the people. When concluded US commercial interests owned much of the best sugar fields and sugar mills which were the island's overwhelming source of revenue.

To keep the facade of independence in play the US supported Cuban dictators who were notorious for their corruption and murderous behavior.

Even worse the American mafia established casinos, brothels and drug distribution throughout Cuba, but especially in Havana.

Castro won his revolution because the Cuban people were fed up with the Yankee domination of their country and the corruption of the mafia .


Of course to genius like you it's far easier to just say ' they suck' or ' love it or leave it'.

Of course I am wasting my time here because God gave you a short stack and you are too lazy to read.

Putin is a nationalistic like Trump only far more ruthless and a habitual killer. A cold blooded murderer, but so was Curtis LeMay.

For that matter both JFK and Robert Kennedy weren't above killing other people either .

---

I mean, overthrowing the Batista dictatorship in favor of Castro is a scene dozens of times over in Latin America. But keep up with your pancake references.

---

You simply don't get it.

Batista was supported by the American government AND the mafia.

The Cuban people came to hate all three.

Making Castro very popular from the very beginning.

And Kennedy wanted him dead.

Putin is worse but only by degrees.

---

Your example undermines your argument.

Cuba was an independent country whose people were angry at their US supported government and therefore engaged in a civil war, successfully, and gained full independence with support from the USSR. That's highly analogous to what's happening now in Ukraine…..

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

Pertinent to our discussion


[What If There Were Russian Missiles in Canada?

Washington demands from other nations what it would not tolerate for itself.

Imagine it is October 2025. A ceasefire has been achieved between Russia and Ukraine. Moscow's attention shifted to North America. Canada's left-wing prime minister leaned toward making a trade deal with Russia and its Central Asian partners. Washington, however, offered a last-minute financial sweetener, an early Christmas present of sorts, and Ottawa turned back to the U.S.

Angry crowds hit the streets, causing chaos in Canada's capital. Moscow promotes the violence, as its propagandists lauded democracy in action. When the police give way, Canada's premier flees south. Russian operatives begin putting their candidates for office forward, and new elections confirm a sharp shift toward Russia, which invites Ottawa to join the Collective Security Treaty Organization. The U.S. responds by invading Canada. The Canucks prove surprisingly resilient against personnel used to fighting distant irregulars, and Moscow floods Canada with weapons, including missiles, for use against America. The first salvo results in strikes on cities across America, including on the U.S. Capitol in Washington, DC.

Predict Washington's reaction. 1) Officials admit that Moscow had every right to send arms for Canada's defense, noting that "it's something that we did for Ukraine"; 2) policymakers agree that the costs of the continuing war were too great and decided to make a humiliating withdrawal; 3) the president warns that unless Russia stood down "immediately," there would be serious and deadly consequences....]


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-if-there-were-russian-missiles-in-canada/

---

Russia has strong alliances in our hemisphere. We have lived with them,

---

When the old Soviet Union put missiles in Cuba (90 miles from us) we nearly had a nuclear war. Sent the U.S. Navy to blockade the island. (something many think was illegal under international law)

We sponsored a CIA invasion of the island to over throw the government.

And we attempted to assassinate Castro multiple times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro#:~:text=The%201975%20Church%20Committee%20claimed,634%20assassination%20schemes%20or%20attempts.

That just living with it huh....

---

Yet at any time for 70 years we could have formally invaded and taken over Cuba. We never have.

---

Gotcha....just coups, assassination attempts of their leaders, and mass Naval blockades that violate their sovereignty

You keep moving those goal posts.

---

I'm not moving anything. The flawed (in my view) premise is that we'd do to Canada what Russia has done to Ukraine and others.

---

Historically we have invaded Canada and Mexico for much less than nuclear weapons aimed at us.

But if Russia sponsored a coup in Ottawa and installed a pro-Russia government we would not do anything? Laughable..

You see clearly that D.C. will engaged in strong measures to secure its periphery (coups, assassination attempts, invasions, blockades, etc) .....you just don't like it when Moocow does it.

---

You're all over the place on time periods.

You are free to do so, but I don't compare current events with the 18th and 19th Centuries.

---

Kind of like the guys on here who are all over time periods between the Russian Empire, the USSR, and the Modern Russian Federation (1600s-2024)

And those posters are absolutely right to point out that whatever State exists in Moscow has had an interest in Ukraine.

In a very similar manner the Untied States as ruled from DC has had a keen interest in Canada and Mexico.

Moscow is not going to stop interfering in Belarus/Ukraine....DC is not going to stop interfering in Canada/Mexico

---

There of course are different levels of interfering

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

Pertinent to our discussion


[What If There Were Russian Missiles in Canada?

Washington demands from other nations what it would not tolerate for itself.

Imagine it is October 2025. A ceasefire has been achieved between Russia and Ukraine. Moscow's attention shifted to North America. Canada's left-wing prime minister leaned toward making a trade deal with Russia and its Central Asian partners. Washington, however, offered a last-minute financial sweetener, an early Christmas present of sorts, and Ottawa turned back to the U.S.

Angry crowds hit the streets, causing chaos in Canada's capital. Moscow promotes the violence, as its propagandists lauded democracy in action. When the police give way, Canada's premier flees south. Russian operatives begin putting their candidates for office forward, and new elections confirm a sharp shift toward Russia, which invites Ottawa to join the Collective Security Treaty Organization. The U.S. responds by invading Canada. The Canucks prove surprisingly resilient against personnel used to fighting distant irregulars, and Moscow floods Canada with weapons, including missiles, for use against America. The first salvo results in strikes on cities across America, including on the U.S. Capitol in Washington, DC.

Predict Washington's reaction. 1) Officials admit that Moscow had every right to send arms for Canada's defense, noting that "it's something that we did for Ukraine"; 2) policymakers agree that the costs of the continuing war were too great and decided to make a humiliating withdrawal; 3) the president warns that unless Russia stood down "immediately," there would be serious and deadly consequences....]


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-if-there-were-russian-missiles-in-canada/

---

Russia has strong alliances in our hemisphere. We have lived with them,

---

When the old Soviet Union put missiles in Cuba (90 miles from us) we nearly had a nuclear war. Sent the U.S. Navy to blockade the island. (something many think was illegal under international law)

We sponsored a CIA invasion of the island to over throw the government.

And we attempted to assassinate Castro multiple times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro#:~:text=The%201975%20Church%20Committee%20claimed,634%20assassination%20schemes%20or%20attempts.

That just living with it huh....

---

Yet at any time for 70 years we could have formally invaded and taken over Cuba. We never have.

---

Gotcha....just coups, assassination attempts of their leaders, and mass Naval blockades that violate their sovereignty

You keep moving those goal posts.

---

I'm not moving anything. The flawed (in my view) premise is that we'd do to Canada what Russia has done to Ukraine and others.

---

Historically we have invaded Canada and Mexico for much less than nuclear weapons aimed at us.

But if Russia sponsored a coup in Ottawa and installed a pro-Russia government we would not do anything? Laughable..

You see clearly that D.C. will engaged in strong measures to secure its periphery (coups, assassination attempts, invasions, blockades, etc) .....you just don't like it when Moocow does it.

---

You're all over the place on time periods.

You are free to do so, but I don't compare current events with the 18th and 19th Centuries.

---

Kind of like the guys on here who are all over time periods between the Russian Empire, the USSR, and the Modern Russian Federation (1600s-2024)

And those posters are absolutely right to point out that whatever State exists in Moscow has had an interest in Ukraine.

In a very similar manner the Untied States as ruled from DC has had a keen interest in Canada and Mexico.

Moscow is not going to stop interfering in Belarus/Ukraine....DC is not going to stop interfering in Canada/Mexico

---

There of course are different levels of interfering

---

Who said there was not?

But if we bring up the fact that DC has used invasion in the past to get its way…and defend its sphere of influence…people on here get very defensive.

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

Pertinent to our discussion


[What If There Were Russian Missiles in Canada?

Washington demands from other nations what it would not tolerate for itself.

Imagine it is October 2025. A ceasefire has been achieved between Russia and Ukraine. Moscow's attention shifted to North America. Canada's left-wing prime minister leaned toward making a trade deal with Russia and its Central Asian partners. Washington, however, offered a last-minute financial sweetener, an early Christmas present of sorts, and Ottawa turned back to the U.S.

Angry crowds hit the streets, causing chaos in Canada's capital. Moscow promotes the violence, as its propagandists lauded democracy in action. When the police give way, Canada's premier flees south. Russian operatives begin putting their candidates for office forward, and new elections confirm a sharp shift toward Russia, which invites Ottawa to join the Collective Security Treaty Organization. The U.S. responds by invading Canada. The Canucks prove surprisingly resilient against personnel used to fighting distant irregulars, and Moscow floods Canada with weapons, including missiles, for use against America. The first salvo results in strikes on cities across America, including on the U.S. Capitol in Washington, DC.

Predict Washington's reaction. 1) Officials admit that Moscow had every right to send arms for Canada's defense, noting that "it's something that we did for Ukraine"; 2) policymakers agree that the costs of the continuing war were too great and decided to make a humiliating withdrawal; 3) the president warns that unless Russia stood down "immediately," there would be serious and deadly consequences....]


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-if-there-were-russian-missiles-in-canada/

---

Russia has strong alliances in our hemisphere. We have lived with them,

---

When the old Soviet Union put missiles in Cuba (90 miles from us) we nearly had a nuclear war. Sent the U.S. Navy to blockade the island. (something many think was illegal under international law)

We sponsored a CIA invasion of the island to over throw the government.

And we attempted to assassinate Castro multiple times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro#:~:text=The%201975%20Church%20Committee%20claimed,634%20assassination%20schemes%20or%20attempts.

That just living with it huh....

---

Yet at any time for 70 years we could have formally invaded and taken over Cuba. We never have.

---

Gotcha....just coups, assassination attempts of their leaders, and mass Naval blockades that violate their sovereignty

You keep moving those goal posts.

---

I'm not moving anything. The flawed (in my view) premise is that we'd do to Canada what Russia has done to Ukraine and others.

---

Historically we have invaded Canada and Mexico for much less than nuclear weapons aimed at us.

But if Russia sponsored a coup in Ottawa and installed a pro-Russia government we would not do anything? Laughable..

You see clearly that D.C. will engaged in strong measures to secure its periphery (coups, assassination attempts, invasions, blockades, etc) .....you just don't like it when Moocow does it.

---

You're all over the place on time periods.

You are free to do so, but I don't compare current events with the 18th and 19th Centuries.

---

Kind of like the guys on here who are all over time periods between the Russian Empire, the USSR, and the Modern Russian Federation (1600s-2024)

And those posters are absolutely right to point out that whatever State exists in Moscow has had an interest in Ukraine.

In a very similar manner the Untied States as ruled from DC has had a keen interest in Canada and Mexico.

Moscow is not going to stop interfering in Belarus/Ukraine....DC is not going to stop interfering in Canada/Mexico

---

There of course are different levels of interfering

---

Who said there was not?

But if we bring up the fact that DC has used invasion in the past to get its way…and defend its sphere of influence…people on here get very defensive.

---

We've never invaded with the intent to take over a sovereign nation. We have chosen sides, as most world powers have.

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

Pertinent to our discussion


[What If There Were Russian Missiles in Canada?

Washington demands from other nations what it would not tolerate for itself.

Imagine it is October 2025. A ceasefire has been achieved between Russia and Ukraine. Moscow's attention shifted to North America. Canada's left-wing prime minister leaned toward making a trade deal with Russia and its Central Asian partners. Washington, however, offered a last-minute financial sweetener, an early Christmas present of sorts, and Ottawa turned back to the U.S.

Angry crowds hit the streets, causing chaos in Canada's capital. Moscow promotes the violence, as its propagandists lauded democracy in action. When the police give way, Canada's premier flees south. Russian operatives begin putting their candidates for office forward, and new elections confirm a sharp shift toward Russia, which invites Ottawa to join the Collective Security Treaty Organization. The U.S. responds by invading Canada. The Canucks prove surprisingly resilient against personnel used to fighting distant irregulars, and Moscow floods Canada with weapons, including missiles, for use against America. The first salvo results in strikes on cities across America, including on the U.S. Capitol in Washington, DC.

Predict Washington's reaction. 1) Officials admit that Moscow had every right to send arms for Canada's defense, noting that "it's something that we did for Ukraine"; 2) policymakers agree that the costs of the continuing war were too great and decided to make a humiliating withdrawal; 3) the president warns that unless Russia stood down "immediately," there would be serious and deadly consequences....]


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-if-there-were-russian-missiles-in-canada/

---

Russia has strong alliances in our hemisphere. We have lived with them,

---

When the old Soviet Union put missiles in Cuba (90 miles from us) we nearly had a nuclear war. Sent the U.S. Navy to blockade the island. (something many think was illegal under international law)

We sponsored a CIA invasion of the island to over throw the government.

And we attempted to assassinate Castro multiple times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro#:~:text=The%201975%20Church%20Committee%20claimed,634%20assassination%20schemes%20or%20attempts.

That just living with it huh....

---

Yet at any time for 70 years we could have formally invaded and taken over Cuba. We never have.

---

Gotcha....just coups, assassination attempts of their leaders, and mass Naval blockades that violate their sovereignty

You keep moving those goal posts.

---

I'm not moving anything. The flawed (in my view) premise is that we'd do to Canada what Russia has done to Ukraine and others.

---

Historically we have invaded Canada and Mexico for much less than nuclear weapons aimed at us.

But if Russia sponsored a coup in Ottawa and installed a pro-Russia government we would not do anything? Laughable..

You see clearly that D.C. will engaged in strong measures to secure its periphery (coups, assassination attempts, invasions, blockades, etc) .....you just don't like it when Moocow does it.

---

You're all over the place on time periods.

You are free to do so, but I don't compare current events with the 18th and 19th Centuries.

---

Kind of like the guys on here who are all over time periods between the Russian Empire, the USSR, and the Modern Russian Federation (1600s-2024)

And those posters are absolutely right to point out that whatever State exists in Moscow has had an interest in Ukraine.

In a very similar manner the Untied States as ruled from DC has had a keen interest in Canada and Mexico.

Moscow is not going to stop interfering in Belarus/Ukraine....DC is not going to stop interfering in Canada/Mexico

---

There of course are different levels of interfering

---

Who said there was not?

But if we bring up the fact that DC has used invasion in the past to get its way…and defend its sphere of influence…people on here get very defensive.

---

We've never invaded with the intent to take over a sovereign nation. We have chosen sides, as most world powers have.

---

I mean ok….setting that bar very low…but ok

Is Russia invading Ukraine to take it over completely? Or just install a pro-Russian regime in Kviv?

If so then it's really no different than what DC did in Iraq

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

Pertinent to our discussion


[What If There Were Russian Missiles in Canada?

Washington demands from other nations what it would not tolerate for itself.

Imagine it is October 2025. A ceasefire has been achieved between Russia and Ukraine. Moscow's attention shifted to North America. Canada's left-wing prime minister leaned toward making a trade deal with Russia and its Central Asian partners. Washington, however, offered a last-minute financial sweetener, an early Christmas present of sorts, and Ottawa turned back to the U.S.

Angry crowds hit the streets, causing chaos in Canada's capital. Moscow promotes the violence, as its propagandists lauded democracy in action. When the police give way, Canada's premier flees south. Russian operatives begin putting their candidates for office forward, and new elections confirm a sharp shift toward Russia, which invites Ottawa to join the Collective Security Treaty Organization. The U.S. responds by invading Canada. The Canucks prove surprisingly resilient against personnel used to fighting distant irregulars, and Moscow floods Canada with weapons, including missiles, for use against America. The first salvo results in strikes on cities across America, including on the U.S. Capitol in Washington, DC.

Predict Washington's reaction. 1) Officials admit that Moscow had every right to send arms for Canada's defense, noting that "it's something that we did for Ukraine"; 2) policymakers agree that the costs of the continuing war were too great and decided to make a humiliating withdrawal; 3) the president warns that unless Russia stood down "immediately," there would be serious and deadly consequences....]


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-if-there-were-russian-missiles-in-canada/

---

Russia has strong alliances in our hemisphere. We have lived with them,

---

When the old Soviet Union put missiles in Cuba (90 miles from us) we nearly had a nuclear war. Sent the U.S. Navy to blockade the island. (something many think was illegal under international law)

We sponsored a CIA invasion of the island to over throw the government.

And we attempted to assassinate Castro multiple times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro#:~:text=The%201975%20Church%20Committee%20claimed,634%20assassination%20schemes%20or%20attempts.

That just living with it huh....

---

Yet at any time for 70 years we could have formally invaded and taken over Cuba. We never have.

---

Gotcha....just coups, assassination attempts of their leaders, and mass Naval blockades that violate their sovereignty

You keep moving those goal posts.

---

I'm not moving anything. The flawed (in my view) premise is that we'd do to Canada what Russia has done to Ukraine and others.

---

Historically we have invaded Canada and Mexico for much less than nuclear weapons aimed at us.

But if Russia sponsored a coup in Ottawa and installed a pro-Russia government we would not do anything? Laughable..

You see clearly that D.C. will engaged in strong measures to secure its periphery (coups, assassination attempts, invasions, blockades, etc) .....you just don't like it when Moocow does it.

---

You're all over the place on time periods.

You are free to do so, but I don't compare current events with the 18th and 19th Centuries.

---

Kind of like the guys on here who are all over time periods between the Russian Empire, the USSR, and the Modern Russian Federation (1600s-2024)

And those posters are absolutely right to point out that whatever State exists in Moscow has had an interest in Ukraine.

In a very similar manner the Untied States as ruled from DC has had a keen interest in Canada and Mexico.

Moscow is not going to stop interfering in Belarus/Ukraine....DC is not going to stop interfering in Canada/Mexico

---

There of course are different levels of interfering

---

Who said there was not?

But if we bring up the fact that DC has used invasion in the past to get its way…and defend its sphere of influence…people on here get very defensive.

---

We've never invaded with the intent to take over a sovereign nation. We have chosen sides, as most world powers have.

---

I mean ok….setting that bar very low…but ok

Is Russia invading Ukraine to take it over completely? Or just install a pro-Russian regime in Kviv?

If so then it's really no different than what DC did in Iraq

---

Iraq? We gave them the option to choose, and they chose Shia, which opened up alignment with Iran. If we were Russia we would have invaded again and "changed" their minds like they're trying to do with Ukraine.

House Investigating If Zelensky Trip Scheduled to Benefit Kamala Harris Campaign

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/house-investigating-if-zelensky-trip-scheduled-to-benefit-kamala-harris-campaign/

Zelensky opening campaigning for the men giving him billions of dollars…… but of course that is not interfering in our elections.

The lies of the Dems are so common….few even notice anymore.

ATL Bear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

sombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

Pertinent to our discussion


[What If There Were Russian Missiles in Canada?

Washington demands from other nations what it would not tolerate for itself.

Imagine it is October 2025. A ceasefire has been achieved between Russia and Ukraine. Moscow's attention shifted to North America. Canada's left-wing prime minister leaned toward making a trade deal with Russia and its Central Asian partners. Washington, however, offered a last-minute financial sweetener, an early Christmas present of sorts, and Ottawa turned back to the U.S.

Angry crowds hit the streets, causing chaos in Canada's capital. Moscow promotes the violence, as its propagandists lauded democracy in action. When the police give way, Canada's premier flees south. Russian operatives begin putting their candidates for office forward, and new elections confirm a sharp shift toward Russia, which invites Ottawa to join the Collective Security Treaty Organization. The U.S. responds by invading Canada. The Canucks prove surprisingly resilient against personnel used to fighting distant irregulars, and Moscow floods Canada with weapons, including missiles, for use against America. The first salvo results in strikes on cities across America, including on the U.S. Capitol in Washington, DC.

Predict Washington's reaction. 1) Officials admit that Moscow had every right to send arms for Canada's defense, noting that "it's something that we did for Ukraine"; 2) policymakers agree that the costs of the continuing war were too great and decided to make a humiliating withdrawal; 3) the president warns that unless Russia stood down "immediately," there would be serious and deadly consequences....]


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-if-there-were-russian-missiles-in-canada/

---

Russia has strong alliances in our hemisphere. We have lived with them,

---

When the old Soviet Union put missiles in Cuba (90 miles from us) we nearly had a nuclear war. Sent the U.S. Navy to blockade the island. (something many think was illegal under international law)

We sponsored a CIA invasion of the island to over throw the government.

And we attempted to assassinate Castro multiple times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro#:~:text=The%201975%20Church%20Committee%20claimed,634%20assassination%20schemes%20or%20attempts.

That just living with it huh....

---

Yet at any time for 70 years we could have formally invaded and taken over Cuba. We never have.

---

Gotcha....just coups, assassination attempts of their leaders, and mass Naval blockades that violate their sovereignty

You keep moving those goal posts.

---

I'm not moving anything. The flawed (in my view) premise is that we'd do to Canada what Russia has done to Ukraine and others.

---

Historically we have invaded Canada and Mexico for much less than nuclear weapons aimed at us.

But if Russia sponsored a coup in Ottawa and installed a pro-Russia government we would not do anything? Laughable..

You see clearly that D.C. will engaged in strong measures to secure its periphery (coups, assassination attempts, invasions, blockades, etc) .....you just don't like it when Moocow does it.

---

You're all over the place on time periods.

You are free to do so, but I don't compare current events with the 18th and 19th Centuries.

---

Kind of like the guys on here who are all over time periods between the Russian Empire, the USSR, and the Modern Russian Federation (1600s-2024)

And those posters are absolutely right to point out that whatever State exists in Moscow has had an interest in Ukraine.

In a very similar manner the Untied States as ruled from DC has had a keen interest in Canada and Mexico.

Moscow is not going to stop interfering in Belarus/Ukraine....DC is not going to stop interfering in Canada/Mexico

---

There of course are different levels of interfering

---

Who said there was not?

But if we bring up the fact that DC has used invasion in the past to get its way…and defend its sphere of influence…people on here get very defensive.

---

We've never invaded with the intent to take over a sovereign nation. We have chosen sides, as most world powers have.

---

I mean ok….setting that bar very low…but ok

Is Russia invading Ukraine to take it over completely? Or just install a pro-Russian regime in Kviv?

If so then it's really no different than what DC did in Iraq

---

Iraq? We gave them the option to choose, and they chose Shia, which opened up alignment with Iran.

---

So we invaded to install a friendly government....and could not even do that right.

D.C. ended up spending Trillions of American tax payer cash to put the Iranian ayatollahs in control of Iraq.

Wonderful

(*and you trust the same DC politicians and bureaucrats to not turn Ukraine into a disaster.....gosh)

Russians already controlling the eastern third of Vuhledar...that escalated quickly. Ukraine's elite 72nd Brigade is reportedly trapped there.

In Kursk, Russians are simultaneously moving on Sverdlikovo and Plekhovo, which will effectively cut off the main road from Ukraine and leave Ukrainian forces surrounded.

Sam Lowry said:

---

Russians already controlling the eastern third of Vuhledar...that escalated quickly. Ukraine's elite 72nd Brigade is reportedly trapped there.

In Kursk, Russians are simultaneously moving on Sverdlikovo and Plekhovo, which will effectively cut off the main road from Ukraine and leave Ukrainian forces surrounded.

---

Ukraine is in big trouble in Vuhledar, but it hardly escalated quickly. It's been a barrage for over a month, and multiple solid sources reported 2 weeks ago it had fallen or was a day from falling.

I don't have a great grasp on Kursk. News there seems to change by the day - one day, Russia encircled, next day, Ukraine encircled. I have no idea.

sombear said:

---

Sam Lowry said:

---

Russians already controlling the eastern third of Vuhledar...that escalated quickly. Ukraine's elite 72nd Brigade is reportedly trapped there.

In Kursk, Russians are simultaneously moving on Sverdlikovo and Plekhovo, which will effectively cut off the main road from Ukraine and leave Ukrainian forces surrounded.

---

Ukraine is in big trouble in Vuhledar, but it hardly escalated quickly. It's been a barrage for over a month, and multiple solid sources reported 2 weeks ago it had fallen or was a day from falling.

I don't have a great grasp on Kursk. News there seems to change by the day - one day, Russia encircled, next day, Ukraine encircled. I have no idea.

---

Also take anything what Sam says with a huge grain of Russian salt. He copies and pastes from other shills.