ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

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Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

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Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

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Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

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Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

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Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

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Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

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Russia was never not going to invade. It provided convenient cover for the long game they'd been playing.

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LOL

Yes sir.

ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

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Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

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Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

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Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

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Russia was never not going to invade.

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From 1991 to 2022 Russia did not invade

There is nothing sure about anything....except that Nations will pursue the geo-strategic objective that gives them the most protection and benefit.

Moscow (under whatever form of government) has been pretty consistent.....they want their borderlands secure. (Ukraine-Belarus-Georgia-Kazakhstan)

DC has been pretty consistent as well. No foreign power can interfere in the Western Hemisphere (our sphere of influence) and we want to project power into the Pacific (Hawaii, Guam) to prevent anyone getting close to our borders/Homeland

If you start trying to put bases in close to the USA you can take a reasonable guess what DC is going to do....same is true of Moscow

Ukraine Never Should Have Made the Mistake of Getting Invaded

KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

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Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

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Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

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Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

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Did Wilford Brimley give you that precious metal tip? lmao

Redbrickbear said:

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trey3216 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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trey3216 said:

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Realitybites said:

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Unfortunately, what is happening in Ukraine is not an isolated incident.

Estonia is running plays out of the same playbook.

Estonia demands Orthodox Church to change its name, then refuses to register new name

https://orthochristian.com/167308.html

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Because the head of the Russian Orthodox Church is literally the equivalent of 2nd in line at the CIA. Dude is a GRU stooge doing extra time as the head of the Russian Orthodox Church.

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Always interested in what you want these poor guys to do?

In Ukraine, Estonia, other countries....these are independent churches that are only de jure (not de facto) under the Canonical territory of the Patriarch of Russia

They can't force him to give them a tomos of acrocephaly or cancel his official/historic canonical territory....but they have moved far away from his personal control.

[Estonian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate (EOC MP; is a semi-autonomous church in the canonical jurisdiction of the Patriarchate of Moscow

This church numbers roughly 150,000 faithful in 31 congregations and is the largest Eastern Orthodox church in Estonia

On August 20, 2024 the church declared unilaterally their autocephaly. A request to legally change their name to "Estonian Christian Orthodox Church" (Estonian: Eesti Kristlik igeusu Kiri) was denied]

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My point is, I don't care if these churches are trying to break away from Russian Orthodoxy, nor do I care if they get a tomos or hand job of approval from the Russian Orthodoxy for that matter.

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You don't seem to care much about freedom of Religion either.

Something the Europeans are proving again and again....that free speech and freedom of religion seem to stop at the Atlantic

The Europeans have more in common with the Russians than they think....

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if one cares about freedom of religion, then one would support the efforts of Orthodox Churches to break free of the Patrirchate of Moscow, which is aggressivley pro-Russian

whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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trey3216 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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trey3216 said:

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Realitybites said:

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Unfortunately, what is happening in Ukraine is not an isolated incident.

Estonia is running plays out of the same playbook.

Estonia demands Orthodox Church to change its name, then refuses to register new name

https://orthochristian.com/167308.html

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Because the head of the Russian Orthodox Church is literally the equivalent of 2nd in line at the CIA. Dude is a GRU stooge doing extra time as the head of the Russian Orthodox Church.

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Always interested in what you want these poor guys to do?

In Ukraine, Estonia, other countries....these are independent churches that are only de jure (not de facto) under the Canonical territory of the Patriarch of Russia

They can't force him to give them a tomos of acrocephaly or cancel his official/historic canonical territory....but they have moved far away from his personal control.

[Estonian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate (EOC MP; is a semi-autonomous church in the canonical jurisdiction of the Patriarchate of Moscow

This church numbers roughly 150,000 faithful in 31 congregations and is the largest Eastern Orthodox church in Estonia

On August 20, 2024 the church declared unilaterally their autocephaly. A request to legally change their name to "Estonian Christian Orthodox Church" (Estonian: Eesti Kristlik igeusu Kiri) was denied]

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My point is, I don't care if these churches are trying to break away from Russian Orthodoxy, nor do I care if they get a tomos or hand job of approval from the Russian Orthodoxy for that matter.

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You don't seem to care much about freedom of Religion either.

Something the Europeans are proving again and again....that free speech and freedom of religion seem to stop at the Atlantic

The Europeans have more in common with the Russians than they think....

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if one cares about freedom of religion, then one would support the efforts of Orthodox Churches to break free of the Patrirchate of Moscow, which is aggressively pro-Russian

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They are already independent Bud

That is the whole point.....Kyiv and Tallin are persecuting them for no reason

[Ukrainian Orthodox Church (UOC-PM) declared independence from the Russian Orthodox Church in May 2022. The Church has been self governing since 1991]

[The Estonian Orthodox Church, which previously belonged to the Moscow Patriarchate, has officially broken away from the Russian mother church. On Tuesday, a church assembly in the capital Tallinn adopted new statutes of its own, which stipulate independence in the administrative, economic and educational areas, as stated on the website. The name of the church was also changed and now reads "Estonian Orthodox Church" - the addition "of the Moscow Patriarchate" was removed.]

Osodecentx said:

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Ukraine Never Should Have Made the Mistake of Getting Invaded

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Maybe they should have just let keep no being neutral and adopt the polices they had pre-2014 instead of getting completely in bed with DC (trade relations with both West and East)

Or maybe they should have just let the poor, backwards, and ethnic russian areas of Donbas and Crimea join the Russian Federation....opening the path for a unified Ukraine to enter the EU and NATO

Instead they decided to wage a futile war to try and retake those areas and forcibly bring those people back into a political union they did not want to be in.

10+ million people displaced....hundreds of thousands of lives lost...and trillions in damage.....and Kyiv still does not have possession of Donbas or Crimea

Talk about a stupid policy and a pointless 10 year military struggle

Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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trey3216 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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trey3216 said:

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Realitybites said:

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Unfortunately, what is happening in Ukraine is not an isolated incident.

Estonia is running plays out of the same playbook.

Estonia demands Orthodox Church to change its name, then refuses to register new name

https://orthochristian.com/167308.html

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Because the head of the Russian Orthodox Church is literally the equivalent of 2nd in line at the CIA. Dude is a GRU stooge doing extra time as the head of the Russian Orthodox Church.

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Always interested in what you want these poor guys to do?

In Ukraine, Estonia, other countries....these are independent churches that are only de jure (not de facto) under the Canonical territory of the Patriarch of Russia

They can't force him to give them a tomos of acrocephaly or cancel his official/historic canonical territory....but they have moved far away from his personal control.

[Estonian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate (EOC MP; is a semi-autonomous church in the canonical jurisdiction of the Patriarchate of Moscow

This church numbers roughly 150,000 faithful in 31 congregations and is the largest Eastern Orthodox church in Estonia

On August 20, 2024 the church declared unilaterally their autocephaly. A request to legally change their name to "Estonian Christian Orthodox Church" (Estonian: Eesti Kristlik igeusu Kiri) was denied]

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My point is, I don't care if these churches are trying to break away from Russian Orthodoxy, nor do I care if they get a tomos or hand job of approval from the Russian Orthodoxy for that matter.

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You don't seem to care much about freedom of Religion either.

Something the Europeans are proving again and again....that free speech and freedom of religion seem to stop at the Atlantic

The Europeans have more in common with the Russians than they think....

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if one cares about freedom of religion, then one would support the efforts of Orthodox Churches to break free of the Patrirchate of Moscow, which is aggressively pro-Russian

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They are already independent Bud

That is the whole point.....Kyiv and Tallin are persecuting them for no reason.

[Ukrainian Orthodox Church (UOC-PM) declared independence from the Russian Orthodox Church in May 2022. The Church has been self governing since 1991]

[The Estonian Orthodox Church, which previously belonged to the Moscow Patriarchate, has officially broken away from the Russian mother church. On Tuesday, a church assembly in the capital Tallinn adopted new statutes of its own, which stipulate independence in the administrative, economic and educational areas, as stated on the website. The name of the church was also changed and now reads "Estonian Orthodox Church" - the addition "of the Moscow Patriarchate" was removed.]

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So you're saying that religious liberty prevents a government from doing anything to deal with the obvious threat posed by the state Church of Russia, which openly supports the Russian invasion of Ukraine?

This is interesting. Post WWII history of the US in Europe

Prof. Jeffrey Sachs gives Piers Morgan a brief, but necessary lesson on the war in Ukraine. This is a must-listen. pic.twitter.com/RE66UtGxfk

— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) February 20, 2025

whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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trey3216 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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trey3216 said:

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Realitybites said:

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Unfortunately, what is happening in Ukraine is not an isolated incident.

Estonia is running plays out of the same playbook.

Estonia demands Orthodox Church to change its name, then refuses to register new name

https://orthochristian.com/167308.html

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Because the head of the Russian Orthodox Church is literally the equivalent of 2nd in line at the CIA. Dude is a GRU stooge doing extra time as the head of the Russian Orthodox Church.

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Always interested in what you want these poor guys to do?

In Ukraine, Estonia, other countries....these are independent churches that are only de jure (not de facto) under the Canonical territory of the Patriarch of Russia

They can't force him to give them a tomos of acrocephaly or cancel his official/historic canonical territory....but they have moved far away from his personal control.

[Estonian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate (EOC MP; is a semi-autonomous church in the canonical jurisdiction of the Patriarchate of Moscow

This church numbers roughly 150,000 faithful in 31 congregations and is the largest Eastern Orthodox church in Estonia

On August 20, 2024 the church declared unilaterally their autocephaly. A request to legally change their name to "Estonian Christian Orthodox Church" (Estonian: Eesti Kristlik igeusu Kiri) was denied]

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My point is, I don't care if these churches are trying to break away from Russian Orthodoxy, nor do I care if they get a tomos or hand job of approval from the Russian Orthodoxy for that matter.

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You don't seem to care much about freedom of Religion either.

Something the Europeans are proving again and again....that free speech and freedom of religion seem to stop at the Atlantic

The Europeans have more in common with the Russians than they think....

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if one cares about freedom of religion, then one would support the efforts of Orthodox Churches to break free of the Patrirchate of Moscow, which is aggressively pro-Russian

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They are already independent Bud

That is the whole point.....Kyiv and Tallin are persecuting them for no reason.

[Ukrainian Orthodox Church (UOC-PM) declared independence from the Russian Orthodox Church in May 2022. The Church has been self governing since 1991]

[The Estonian Orthodox Church, which previously belonged to the Moscow Patriarchate, has officially broken away from the Russian mother church. On Tuesday, a church assembly in the capital Tallinn adopted new statutes of its own, which stipulate independence in the administrative, economic and educational areas, as stated on the website. The name of the church was also changed and now reads "Estonian Orthodox Church" - the addition "of the Moscow Patriarchate" was removed.]

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So you're saying that religious liberty prevents a government from doing anything to deal with the obvious threat posed by the state Church of Russia, which openly supports the Russian invasion of Ukraine?

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You know that is a lie.....it amazes me you keep repeating something easy to disprove.

These Churches condemned the freaking invasion.

[On 12 May 2022, the synod of the UOC met for the first time since the start of the war and issued a statement of support for Ukraine's armed forces, while condemning the Russian invasion.]

They are not "obvious threats to the State"

They have only 6% of the population as followers... and most of their followers are in the Ukrainian armed forces fighting Russia and their Clerics (vast majority of the 12,000 they have) also support the war.

They have completely declared their independence

Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

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Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

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Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

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Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

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Russia was never not going to invade.

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From 1991 to 2022 Russia did not invade

There is nothing sure about anything....except that Nations will pursue the geo-strategic objective that gives them the most protection and benefit.

Moscow (under whatever form of government) has been pretty consistent.....they want their borderlands secure. (Ukraine-Belarus-Georgia-Kazakhstan)

DC has been pretty consistent as well. No foreign power can interfere in the Western Hemisphere (our sphere of influence) and we want to project power into the Pacific (Hawaii, Guam) to prevent anyone getting close to our borders/Homeland

If you start trying to put bases in close to the USA you can take a reasonable guess what DC is going to do....same is true of Moscow

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Now this should be reasonably clear to anyone with a umiversity degree.......however the same guys have been arguing something different for 18 months.

ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

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Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

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Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

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Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

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Did Wilford Brimley give you that precious metal tip? lmao

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Nope

Been buying gold eagles, maple leafs and krugerrands for decades.

First batch of 72 coins paid $ 240 per ounce.

For years they hardly appreciated at all; but kept buying them.

Last batch of 100 coins ( approx 10 months ago averaged $ 2000 per ounce.

Now selling for $ 3000 per ounce.

LMAO !

KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

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Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

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Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

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Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

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Did Wilford Brimley give you that precious metal tip? lmao

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Nope

Been buying gold eagles, maple leafs and krugerrands for decades.

First batch of 72 coins paid $ 240 per ounce.

For years they hardly appreciated at all; but kept buying them.

Last batch of 100 coins ( approx 10 months ago averaged $ 2000 per ounce.

Now selling for $ 3000 per ounce.

LMAO !

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Good for you!

Vance lays it out perfectly. Ukraine doesn't have a pathway to victory.

If your goal is to send Ukrainians to die in order to weaken Russia, that is evil. That is the neocon mindset. Hundreds of thousands of men dying has created countless fatherless homes and will have a major negative impact for generations.

It's anti Christian to use their death as a means to seek our desires against Russia. Peace, diplomacy and red lines are the way.

In this thread I'll respond to some of what I've seen out there. Let's start with Niall:

1) On the general background, yes, you have been more right than wrong on a lot of the details of the conflict. Which is why I'm surprised to hear you call the administration's posture… https://t.co/w7OQemI3R7

— JD Vance (@JDVance) February 21, 2025

Assassin said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

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Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

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Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

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Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

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Did Wilford Brimley give you that precious metal tip? lmao

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Nope

Been buying gold eagles, maple leafs and krugerrands for decades.

First batch of 72 coins paid $ 240 per ounce.

For years they hardly appreciated at all; but kept buying them.

Last batch of 100 coins ( approx 10 months ago averaged $ 2000 per ounce.

Now selling for $ 3000 per ounce.

LMAO !

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Good for you!

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Thanks

Just luck really.

Bought the first batch in downtown El Paso on a whim. They didn't do **** for years.

KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

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Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

---

Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

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Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

---

Did Wilford Brimley give you that precious metal tip? lmao

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Nope

Been buying gold eagles, maple leafs and krugerrands for decades.

First batch of 72 coins paid $ 240 per ounce.

For years they hardly appreciated at all; but kept buying them.

Last batch of 100 coins ( approx 10 months ago averaged $ 2000 per ounce.

Now selling for $ 3000 per ounce.

LMAO !

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What a unique story for an 80 year old

ATL Bear said:

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Imagine being so stupid you're actively pissing off the country you want to do a deal with, and emboldening the one that wants to take it from you. And I'm old enough to remember when everyone was pissed about a "war for oil" in a nasty sandbox, and here we are openly negotiating for mineral rights to a sovereign in payment for military support.

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If Ukraine won't negotiate with us... how about we negotiate with Russia for a share of the mineral rights in return for abolishing Ukraine and returning the god forsaken country back to Russia

Doc Holliday said:

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Vance lays it out perfectly. Ukraine doesn't have a pathway to victory.

If your goal is to send Ukrainians to die in order to weaken Russia, that is evil. That is the neocon mindset. Hundreds of thousands of men dying has created countless fatherless homes and will have a major negative impact for generations.

It's anti Christian to use their death as a means to seek our desires against Russia. Peace, diplomacy and red lines are the way.

In this thread I'll respond to some of what I've seen out there. Let's start with Niall:

1) On the general background, yes, you have been more right than wrong on a lot of the details of the conflict. Which is why I'm surprised to hear you call the administration's posture… https://t.co/w7OQemI3R7

— JD Vance (@JDVance) February 21, 2025

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Yea, Ukraine never had a path to victory that did not include US-NATO ground troops

(something Obama and Biden said they would not do)

Not even certain that Russia has been all that weakened....Russia is of course replacing what they lost with new equipment.

[IISS assessed that Russia refurbished and built over 1,500 tanks and 2,800 IFVs and APCs in 2024 suggesting that Russia produced enough vehicles to replace all of IISS's estimated tank losses and three quarters of IISS's assessed Russian armored vehicle losses in 2024.]

And even it that is the case...its strengthen China that is the problem.

It gives the Communists in Beijing a resource rich country that is isolated and totally dependent on them.

That is a geo-strategic disaster for the West

trey3216 said:

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Imagine being so stupid you're actively pissing off the country you want to do a deal with, and emboldening the one that wants to take it from you. And I'm old enough to remember when everyone was pissed about a "war for oil" in a nasty sandbox, and here we are openly negotiating for mineral rights to a sovereign in payment for military support.

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If Ukraine won't negotiate with us... how about we negotiate with Russia for a share of the mineral rights in return for abolishing Ukraine and returning the god forsaken country back to Russia

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The. I suppose we should abolish Texas and return it back to Mexico, or Spain, or the Comanches.

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Baylor leadership would love that.

Peaceful stewards of the land and all.....

[We respectfully acknowledge that Baylor University in Waco and its original campus in Independence are on the land and territories originally occupied by Indigenous peoples including the Waco and Tawakoni of the Wichita and Affiliated Tribes, the Tonkawa, the Nmn (Comanche), Karankawa, and Lipan Apache. These Indigenous peoples were dispossessed of and removed from their lands over centuries by European colonization and American expansionism. In recognition that these Native Nations are the original stewards of Baylor's campus locations, the University strives to build sustainable relationships with sovereign Native Nations and Indigenous communities through education offerings, partnerships, and community service.]

https://history.artsandsciences.baylor.edu/about/baylor-land-acknowledgement

trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

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Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

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Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

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Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

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Russia was never not going to invade.

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From 1991 to 2022 Russia did not invade

There is nothing sure about anything....except that Nations will pursue the geo-strategic objective that gives them the most protection and benefit.

Moscow (under whatever form of government) has been pretty consistent.....they want their borderlands secure. (Ukraine-Belarus-Georgia-Kazakhstan)

DC has been pretty consistent as well. No foreign power can interfere in the Western Hemisphere (our sphere of influence) and we want to project power into the Pacific (Hawaii, Guam) to prevent anyone getting close to our borders/Homeland

If you start trying to put bases in close to the USA you can take a reasonable guess what DC is going to do....same is true of Moscow

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Now this should be reasonably clear to anyone with a umiversity degree.......however the same guys have been arguing something different for 18 months.

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aside from the very first statement being patently false, and the rest ranting drivel

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Perfect

Guess the US invaded Cuba, Mexico, Canada , the Philippines, Guam, Panama , Nicaragua, and the Dominican Republic for chuckles and grins.

KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

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Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

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Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

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Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

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Russia was never not going to invade.

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From 1991 to 2022 Russia did not invade

There is nothing sure about anything....except that Nations will pursue the geo-strategic objective that gives them the most protection and benefit.

Moscow (under whatever form of government) has been pretty consistent.....they want their borderlands secure. (Ukraine-Belarus-Georgia-Kazakhstan)

DC has been pretty consistent as well. No foreign power can interfere in the Western Hemisphere (our sphere of influence) and we want to project power into the Pacific (Hawaii, Guam) to prevent anyone getting close to our borders/Homeland

If you start trying to put bases in close to the USA you can take a reasonable guess what DC is going to do....same is true of Moscow

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Now this should be reasonably clear to anyone with a umiversity degree.......however the same guys have been arguing something different for 18 months.

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aside from the very first statement being patently false, and the rest ranting drivel

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Perfect

Guess the US invaded Cuba, Mexico, Canada , the Philippines, Guam, Panama , Nicaragua, and the Dominican Republic for chuckles and grins.

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Trey has been pretty consistent that he does not care when DC invades other countries (international law or no international law)

For some reason he really really cares if Russia invades Ukraine.

He is not even particularly concerned about the endless wars in Sub-Saharan Africa....constant border invasions and crimes against humanity among the Bantus down there.

No, but this inter-Slavic war on the frozen borderlands of Europe....now there is a conflict we have to fund forever

KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

---

Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

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Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

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Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

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Russia was never not going to invade.

---

From 1991 to 2022 Russia did not invade

There is nothing sure about anything....except that Nations will pursue the geo-strategic objective that gives them the most protection and benefit.

Moscow (under whatever form of government) has been pretty consistent.....they want their borderlands secure. (Ukraine-Belarus-Georgia-Kazakhstan)

DC has been pretty consistent as well. No foreign power can interfere in the Western Hemisphere (our sphere of influence) and we want to project power into the Pacific (Hawaii, Guam) to prevent anyone getting close to our borders/Homeland

If you start trying to put bases in close to the USA you can take a reasonable guess what DC is going to do....same is true of Moscow

---

Now this should be reasonably clear to anyone with a umiversity degree.......however the same guys have been arguing something different for 18 months.

---

aside from the very first statement being patently false, and the rest ranting drivel

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Perfect

Guess the US invaded Cuba, Mexico, Canada , the Philippines, Guam, Panama , Nicaragua, and the Dominican Republic for chuckles and grins.

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Invade? Is that the right word? Where did we stay? All "invasions" served a purpose and we left. Mexico, Panama, Nicaragua and DR.

Cuba,Gaum,Phillipines and PR were Spanish American war spoils at a time when that was how things were done. The US didn't invent the Imperial War land grab game, just played it.

Canada was Revolutionary War, the Brits were launching attacks from Canada.

So, I am not sure we are the same in terms of the Russian invasions. Self-serving, sure. But outside of Manifest Destiny to reach the Pacific, did we stay?

FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

---

Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

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Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

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Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

---

Russia was never not going to invade.

---

From 1991 to 2022 Russia did not invade

There is nothing sure about anything....except that Nations will pursue the geo-strategic objective that gives them the most protection and benefit.

Moscow (under whatever form of government) has been pretty consistent.....they want their borderlands secure. (Ukraine-Belarus-Georgia-Kazakhstan)

DC has been pretty consistent as well. No foreign power can interfere in the Western Hemisphere (our sphere of influence) and we want to project power into the Pacific (Hawaii, Guam) to prevent anyone getting close to our borders/Homeland

If you start trying to put bases in close to the USA you can take a reasonable guess what DC is going to do....same is true of Moscow

---

Now this should be reasonably clear to anyone with a umiversity degree.......however the same guys have been arguing something different for 18 months.

---

aside from the very first statement being patently false, and the rest ranting drivel

---

Perfect

Guess the US invaded Cuba, Mexico, Canada , the Philippines, Guam, Panama , Nicaragua, and the Dominican Republic for chuckles and grins.

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Invade? Is that the right word? Where did we stay? All "invasions" served a purpose and we left. Mexico, Panama, Nicaragua and DR. (the point being DC does invade other countries....you don't deny that....you just defend the justification for the invasions....we also never left Mexico....we took 1/3rd of the country and annexed it)

Cuba,Gaum,Phillipines and PR were Spanish American war spoils at a time (yea....a war DC started on very flimsy pretext for a Cuban power grab)

Canada was Revolutionary War, the Brits were launching attacks from Canada. (we invaded Canada in the war of 1812 as well and the UK had to keep its largest military force in the world in Canada until the 20th century to defend it from the USA....more troops than they even kept in India...the crown jewel of the Empire)

So, I am not sure we are the same in terms of the Russian invasions. Self-serving, sure. But outside of Manifest Destiny to reach the Pacific, did we stay? (in some cases yes....we still own parts of Cuba...in other cases we kept aligned government there in power that we knew would be friendly with DC and American interests)

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

---

Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

---

Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

---

Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

---

Russia was never not going to invade.

---

From 1991 to 2022 Russia did not invade

There is nothing sure about anything....except that Nations will pursue the geo-strategic objective that gives them the most protection and benefit.

Moscow (under whatever form of government) has been pretty consistent.....they want their borderlands secure. (Ukraine-Belarus-Georgia-Kazakhstan)

DC has been pretty consistent as well. No foreign power can interfere in the Western Hemisphere (our sphere of influence) and we want to project power into the Pacific (Hawaii, Guam) to prevent anyone getting close to our borders/Homeland

If you start trying to put bases in close to the USA you can take a reasonable guess what DC is going to do....same is true of Moscow

---

Now this should be reasonably clear to anyone with a umiversity degree.......however the same guys have been arguing something different for 18 months.

---

aside from the very first statement being patently false, and the rest ranting drivel

---

Perfect

Guess the US invaded Cuba, Mexico, Canada , the Philippines, Guam, Panama , Nicaragua, and the Dominican Republic for chuckles and grins.

---

Invade? Is that the right word? Where did we stay? All "invasions" served a purpose and we left. Mexico, Panama, Nicaragua and DR.

Cuba,Gaum,Phillipines and PR were Spanish American war spoils at a time when that was how things were done. The US didn't invent the Imperial War land grab game, just played it.

Canada was Revolutionary War, the Brits were launching attacks from Canada.

So, I am not sure we are the same in terms of the Russian invasions. Self-serving, sure. But outside of Manifest Destiny to reach the Pacific, did we stay?

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LOL

So when we invade it's justified.

or

long ago


or



Manifest Destiny


What about when we bomb the **** out of other countries ?

trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Imagine being so stupid you're actively pissing off the country you want to do a deal with, and emboldening the one that wants to take it from you. And I'm old enough to remember when everyone was pissed about a "war for oil" in a nasty sandbox, and here we are openly negotiating for mineral rights to a sovereign in payment for military support.

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If Ukraine won't negotiate with us... how about we negotiate with Russia for a share of the mineral rights in return for abolishing Ukraine and returning the god forsaken country back to Russia

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The. I suppose we should abolish Texas and return it back to Mexico, or Spain, or the Comanches.

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well if you were in charge of Homeland Security... Mexico would reclaim Texas in short order