Redbrickbear said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

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Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

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Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

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Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

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Russia was never not going to invade.

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From 1991 to 2022 Russia did not invade

There is nothing sure about anything....except that Nations will pursue the geo-strategic objective that gives them the most protection and benefit.

Moscow (under whatever form of government) has been pretty consistent.....they want their borderlands secure. (Ukraine-Belarus-Georgia-Kazakhstan)

DC has been pretty consistent as well. No foreign power can interfere in the Western Hemisphere (our sphere of influence) and we want to project power into the Pacific (Hawaii, Guam) to prevent anyone getting close to our borders/Homeland

If you start trying to put bases in close to the USA you can take a reasonable guess what DC is going to do....same is true of Moscow

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Now this should be reasonably clear to anyone with a umiversity degree.......however the same guys have been arguing something different for 18 months.

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aside from the very first statement being patently false, and the rest ranting drivel

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Perfect

Guess the US invaded Cuba, Mexico, Canada , the Philippines, Guam, Panama , Nicaragua, and the Dominican Republic for chuckles and grins.

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Trey has been pretty consistent that he does not care when DC invades other countries (international law or no international law)

For some reason he really really cares if Russia invades Ukraine.

He is not even practically concerned about the endless wars in Sub-Saharan Africa....constant border invasions and crimes against humanity among the Bantus down there.

No, but this inter-Slavic war on the frozen borderlands of Europe....now there is a conflict we have to fund forever

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Trey being a person of color, an Italian, probably supports the war because enabling two of the countries with the largest white male populations left in the world to slaughter each other reduces the global white male population dramatically

ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

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Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

---

Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

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Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

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Russia was never not going to invade.

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From 1991 to 2022 Russia did not invade

There is nothing sure about anything....except that Nations will pursue the geo-strategic objective that gives them the most protection and benefit.

Moscow (under whatever form of government) has been pretty consistent.....they want their borderlands secure. (Ukraine-Belarus-Georgia-Kazakhstan)

DC has been pretty consistent as well. No foreign power can interfere in the Western Hemisphere (our sphere of influence) and we want to project power into the Pacific (Hawaii, Guam) to prevent anyone getting close to our borders/Homeland

If you start trying to put bases in close to the USA you can take a reasonable guess what DC is going to do....same is true of Moscow

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Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. You guys are either intentionally obtuse or just overwhelmed with bad info and stubbornly stuck in your pro Russia position.

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We have the same position as Trump/Vance…surely you don't think they're pro Russian and not privy to information you have?

ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

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Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

---

Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

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Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

---

Russia was never not going to invade.

---

From 1991 to 2022 Russia did not invade

There is nothing sure about anything....except that Nations will pursue the geo-strategic objective that gives them the most protection and benefit.

Moscow (under whatever form of government) has been pretty consistent.....they want their borderlands secure. (Ukraine-Belarus-Georgia-Kazakhstan)

DC has been pretty consistent as well. No foreign power can interfere in the Western Hemisphere (our sphere of influence) and we want to project power into the Pacific (Hawaii, Guam) to prevent anyone getting close to our borders/Homeland

If you start trying to put bases in close to the USA you can take a reasonable guess what DC is going to do....same is true of Moscow

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Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. You guys are either intentionally obtuse or just overwhelmed with bad info and stubbornly stuck in your pro Russia position.

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A don't remember a full scale military invasion of Ukraine in 2014

But I am sure you are talking about the local people rising up with some russian paid for mercs and special forces.

But that just brings us back to the isssue

Are secession movements ok when the US backs them (Kosovo, S. Sudan, E. Timor) but wrong when Moscow backs them (Donbas-Crimea)?

Behind the tough guy language, there is no argument here. What's the firepower advantage of the respective parties to the conflict? Manpower? How might that change with further NATO action, and how are you proposing to change it?

As it turns out, I'm right and Joshi is wrong,… https://t.co/de9QIt0UjR

— JD Vance (@JDVance) February 21, 2025

Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

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Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

---

Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

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Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

---

Russia was never not going to invade.

---

From 1991 to 2022 Russia did not invade

There is nothing sure about anything....except that Nations will pursue the geo-strategic objective that gives them the most protection and benefit.

Moscow (under whatever form of government) has been pretty consistent.....they want their borderlands secure. (Ukraine-Belarus-Georgia-Kazakhstan)

DC has been pretty consistent as well. No foreign power can interfere in the Western Hemisphere (our sphere of influence) and we want to project power into the Pacific (Hawaii, Guam) to prevent anyone getting close to our borders/Homeland

If you start trying to put bases in close to the USA you can take a reasonable guess what DC is going to do....same is true of Moscow

---

Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. You guys are either intentionally obtuse or just overwhelmed with bad info and stubbornly stuck in your pro Russia position.

---

A don't remember a full scale military invasion of Ukraine in 2014

But I am sure you are talking about the local people rising up with some russian paid for mercs and special forces.

But that just brings us back to the isssue

Are secession movements ok when the US backs them (Kosovo, S. Sudan, E. Timor) but wrong when Moscow backs them (Donbas-Crimea)?

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The easiest way to see if it was wrong is if you lose some of your territory shortly after invading

Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

---

Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

---

Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

---

Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

---

Russia was never not going to invade.

---

From 1991 to 2022 Russia did not invade

There is nothing sure about anything....except that Nations will pursue the geo-strategic objective that gives them the most protection and benefit.

Moscow (under whatever form of government) has been pretty consistent.....they want their borderlands secure. (Ukraine-Belarus-Georgia-Kazakhstan)

DC has been pretty consistent as well. No foreign power can interfere in the Western Hemisphere (our sphere of influence) and we want to project power into the Pacific (Hawaii, Guam) to prevent anyone getting close to our borders/Homeland

If you start trying to put bases in close to the USA you can take a reasonable guess what DC is going to do....same is true of Moscow

---

Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. You guys are either intentionally obtuse or just overwhelmed with bad info and stubbornly stuck in your pro Russia position.

---

A don't remember a full scale military invasion of Ukraine in 2014

But I am sure you are talking about the local people rising up with some russian paid for mercs and special forces.

But that just brings us back to the isssue

Are secession movements ok when the US backs them (Kosovo, S. Sudan, E. Timor) but wrong when Moscow backs them (Donbas-Crimea)?

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According the ATL Bear 1776 was an American invasion of Great Britain!

The_barBEARian said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Imagine being so stupid you're actively pissing off the country you want to do a deal with, and emboldening the one that wants to take it from you. And I'm old enough to remember when everyone was pissed about a "war for oil" in a nasty sandbox, and here we are openly negotiating for mineral rights to a sovereign in payment for military support.

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If Ukraine won't negotiate with us... how about we negotiate with Russia for a share of the mineral rights in return for abolishing Ukraine and returning the god forsaken country back to Russia

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The. I suppose we should abolish Texas and return it back to Mexico, or Spain, or the Comanches.

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well if you were in charge of Homeland Security... Mexico would reclaim Texas in short order

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I have never, ever, once, been against enforcing our border laws. Ever.

The_barBEARian said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

---

Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

---

Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

---

Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

---

Russia was never not going to invade.

---

From 1991 to 2022 Russia did not invade

There is nothing sure about anything....except that Nations will pursue the geo-strategic objective that gives them the most protection and benefit.

Moscow (under whatever form of government) has been pretty consistent.....they want their borderlands secure. (Ukraine-Belarus-Georgia-Kazakhstan)

DC has been pretty consistent as well. No foreign power can interfere in the Western Hemisphere (our sphere of influence) and we want to project power into the Pacific (Hawaii, Guam) to prevent anyone getting close to our borders/Homeland

If you start trying to put bases in close to the USA you can take a reasonable guess what DC is going to do....same is true of Moscow

---

Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. You guys are either intentionally obtuse or just overwhelmed with bad info and stubbornly stuck in your pro Russia position.

---

A don't remember a full scale military invasion of Ukraine in 2014

But I am sure you are talking about the local people rising up with some russian paid for mercs and special forces.

But that just brings us back to the isssue

Are secession movements ok when the US backs them (Kosovo, S. Sudan, E. Timor) but wrong when Moscow backs them (Donbas-Crimea)?

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According the ATL Bear 1776 was an American invasion of Great Britain!

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Funny enough the NYtimes is going with it being a White Supremacist uprising by Slave holders!

Texas monthly is going with the same line about the Texas Revolution....slave holders revolt against Mexico

https://www.texasmonthly.com/being-texan/how-leaders-texas-revolution-fought-preserve-slavery/

trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

---

Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

---

Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

---

Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

---

Russia was never not going to invade.

---

From 1991 to 2022 Russia did not invade

There is nothing sure about anything....except that Nations will pursue the geo-strategic objective that gives them the most protection and benefit.

Moscow (under whatever form of government) has been pretty consistent.....they want their borderlands secure. (Ukraine-Belarus-Georgia-Kazakhstan)

DC has been pretty consistent as well. No foreign power can interfere in the Western Hemisphere (our sphere of influence) and we want to project power into the Pacific (Hawaii, Guam) to prevent anyone getting close to our borders/Homeland

If you start trying to put bases in close to the USA you can take a reasonable guess what DC is going to do....same is true of Moscow

---

Now this should be reasonably clear to anyone with a umiversity degree.......however the same guys have been arguing something different for 18 months.

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aside from the very first statement being patently false, and the rest ranting drivel

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Perfect

Guess the US invaded Cuba, Mexico, Canada , the Philippines, Guam, Panama , Nicaragua, and the Dominican Republic for chuckles and grins.

---

Trey has been pretty consistent that he does not care when DC invades other countries (international law or no international law)

For some reason he really really cares if Russia invades Ukraine.

He is not even practically concerned about the endless wars in Sub-Saharan Africa....constant border invasions and crimes against humanity among the Bantus down there.

No, but this inter-Slavic war on the frozen borderlands of Europe....now there is a conflict we have to fund forever

---

Trey being a person of color, an Italian, probably supports the war because enabling two of the countries with the largest white male populations left in the world to slaughter each other reduces the global white male population dramatically

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Trey is white. Has to write White Caucasian non-Hispanic on every document.

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You should change it to person of color or else Baylor is gonna be charging you $64K per kid to attend the school...lol

Doc Holliday said:

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Behind the tough guy language, there is no argument here. What's the firepower advantage of the respective parties to the conflict? Manpower? How might that change with further NATO action, and how are you proposing to change it?

As it turns out, I'm right and Joshi is wrong,… https://t.co/de9QIt0UjR

— JD Vance (@JDVance) February 21, 2025

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Another person of color wanting the Ukraine war to continue... funny how that seems to be a common thread in all this...

I dont see many Anglos running around calling for a war between India and Pakistan...

Redbrickbear said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

---

Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

---

Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

---

Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

---

Russia was never not going to invade.

---

From 1991 to 2022 Russia did not invade

There is nothing sure about anything....except that Nations will pursue the geo-strategic objective that gives them the most protection and benefit.

Moscow (under whatever form of government) has been pretty consistent.....they want their borderlands secure. (Ukraine-Belarus-Georgia-Kazakhstan)

DC has been pretty consistent as well. No foreign power can interfere in the Western Hemisphere (our sphere of influence) and we want to project power into the Pacific (Hawaii, Guam) to prevent anyone getting close to our borders/Homeland

If you start trying to put bases in close to the USA you can take a reasonable guess what DC is going to do....same is true of Moscow

---

Now this should be reasonably clear to anyone with a umiversity degree.......however the same guys have been arguing something different for 18 months.

---

aside from the very first statement being patently false, and the rest ranting drivel

---

Perfect

Guess the US invaded Cuba, Mexico, Canada , the Philippines, Guam, Panama , Nicaragua, and the Dominican Republic for chuckles and grins.

---

Trey has been pretty consistent that he does not care when DC invades other countries (international law or no international law)

For some reason he really really cares if Russia invades Ukraine.

He is not even practically concerned about the endless wars in Sub-Saharan Africa....constant border invasions and crimes against humanity among the Bantus down there.

No, but this inter-Slavic war on the frozen borderlands of Europe....now there is a conflict we have to fund forever

---

Trey being a person of color, an Italian, probably supports the war because enabling two of the countries with the largest white male populations left in the world to slaughter each other reduces the global white male population dramatically

---

Trey is white. Has to write White Caucasian non-Hispanic on every document.

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You should change it to person of color or else Baylor is gonna be charging you $64K per kid to attend the school...lol

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It already costs more than that.

My kids will only be going there if I hit the lottery, if they get full scholarships, or if my wife starts working there.

The_barBEARian said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

---

Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

---

Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

---

Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

---

Russia was never not going to invade.

---

From 1991 to 2022 Russia did not invade

There is nothing sure about anything....except that Nations will pursue the geo-strategic objective that gives them the most protection and benefit.

Moscow (under whatever form of government) has been pretty consistent.....they want their borderlands secure. (Ukraine-Belarus-Georgia-Kazakhstan)

DC has been pretty consistent as well. No foreign power can interfere in the Western Hemisphere (our sphere of influence) and we want to project power into the Pacific (Hawaii, Guam) to prevent anyone getting close to our borders/Homeland

If you start trying to put bases in close to the USA you can take a reasonable guess what DC is going to do....same is true of Moscow

---

Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. You guys are either intentionally obtuse or just overwhelmed with bad info and stubbornly stuck in your pro Russia position.

---

A don't remember a full scale military invasion of Ukraine in 2014

But I am sure you are talking about the local people rising up with some russian paid for mercs and special forces.

But that just brings us back to the isssue

Are secession movements ok when the US backs them (Kosovo, S. Sudan, E. Timor) but wrong when Moscow backs them (Donbas-Crimea)?

---

According the ATL Bear 1776 was an American invasion of Great Britain!

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1812 is a bit closer

trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

---

Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

---

Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

---

Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

---

Russia was never not going to invade.

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From 1991 to 2022 Russia did not invade

There is nothing sure about anything....except that Nations will pursue the geo-strategic objective that gives them the most protection and benefit.

Moscow (under whatever form of government) has been pretty consistent.....they want their borderlands secure. (Ukraine-Belarus-Georgia-Kazakhstan)

DC has been pretty consistent as well. No foreign power can interfere in the Western Hemisphere (our sphere of influence) and we want to project power into the Pacific (Hawaii, Guam) to prevent anyone getting close to our borders/Homeland

If you start trying to put bases in close to the USA you can take a reasonable guess what DC is going to do....same is true of Moscow

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Now this should be reasonably clear to anyone with a umiversity degree.......however the same guys have been arguing something different for 18 months.

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aside from the very first statement being patently false, and the rest ranting drivel

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Perfect

Guess the US invaded Cuba, Mexico, Canada , the Philippines, Guam, Panama , Nicaragua, and the Dominican Republic for chuckles and grins.

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Trey has been pretty consistent that he does not care when DC invades other countries (international law or no international law)

For some reason he really really cares if Russia invades Ukraine.

He is not even practically concerned about the endless wars in Sub-Saharan Africa....constant border invasions and crimes against humanity among the Bantus down there.

No, but this inter-Slavic war on the frozen borderlands of Europe....now there is a conflict we have to fund forever

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Trey being a person of color, an Italian, probably supports the war because enabling two of the countries with the largest white male populations left in the world to slaughter each other reduces the global white male population dramatically

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Trey is white. Has to write White Caucasian non-Hispanic on every document. I'm just tanner, thinner, and better looking than your fat ass.

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I can laugh at myself! That was funny!

ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

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Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

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Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

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Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

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Russia was never not going to invade.

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From 1991 to 2022 Russia did not invade

There is nothing sure about anything....except that Nations will pursue the geo-strategic objective that gives them the most protection and benefit.

Moscow (under whatever form of government) has been pretty consistent.....they want their borderlands secure. (Ukraine-Belarus-Georgia-Kazakhstan)

DC has been pretty consistent as well. No foreign power can interfere in the Western Hemisphere (our sphere of influence) and we want to project power into the Pacific (Hawaii, Guam) to prevent anyone getting close to our borders/Homeland

If you start trying to put bases in close to the USA you can take a reasonable guess what DC is going to do....same is true of Moscow

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Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. You guys are either intentionally obtuse or just overwhelmed with bad info and stubbornly stuck in your pro Russia position.

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A don't remember a full scale military invasion of Ukraine in 2014

But I am sure you are talking about the local people rising up with some russian paid for mercs and special forces.

But that just brings us back to the isssue

Are secession movements ok when the US backs them (Kosovo, S. Sudan, E. Timor) but wrong when Moscow backs them (Donbas-Crimea)?

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Crimea was part of Ukraine until Russia invaded and annexed it.

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And the USA invaded and annexed parts of Mexico (would you have supported the UK or France getting involved militarily to stop that?)

Plus....that took place with the help and consent of the people who live there ATL (there is no dispute about that)

Millions of ethnic russians live there who don't want to be ruled by Kyiv

Not to mention that Moscow had a long term naval lease and a treaty (Partition Treaty on the Status and Conditions of the Black Sea Fleet)....contents of it being legalese but apparently may have given them the legal right to intervene in Crimea (similar to our Panama Canal treaty).

ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

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Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

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Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

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Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

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Russia was never not going to invade.

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From 1991 to 2022 Russia did not invade

There is nothing sure about anything....except that Nations will pursue the geo-strategic objective that gives them the most protection and benefit.

Moscow (under whatever form of government) has been pretty consistent.....they want their borderlands secure. (Ukraine-Belarus-Georgia-Kazakhstan)

DC has been pretty consistent as well. No foreign power can interfere in the Western Hemisphere (our sphere of influence) and we want to project power into the Pacific (Hawaii, Guam) to prevent anyone getting close to our borders/Homeland

If you start trying to put bases in close to the USA you can take a reasonable guess what DC is going to do....same is true of Moscow

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Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. You guys are either intentionally obtuse or just overwhelmed with bad info and stubbornly stuck in your pro Russia position.

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A don't remember a full scale military invasion of Ukraine in 2014

But I am sure you are talking about the local people rising up with some russian paid for mercs and special forces.

But that just brings us back to the isssue

Are secession movements ok when the US backs them (Kosovo, S. Sudan, E. Timor) but wrong when Moscow backs them (Donbas-Crimea)?

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Crimea was part of Ukraine until Russia invaded and annexed it. Just own the miss and move on. It was the beginning of Russia's military actions to take over Eastern Ukraine, that was the first step to the larger invasion.

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You are calling 2014 an invasion... we are calling it a liberation.

ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

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Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

---

Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

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Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

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Russia was never not going to invade.

---

From 1991 to 2022 Russia did not invade

There is nothing sure about anything....except that Nations will pursue the geo-strategic objective that gives them the most protection and benefit.

Moscow (under whatever form of government) has been pretty consistent.....they want their borderlands secure. (Ukraine-Belarus-Georgia-Kazakhstan)

DC has been pretty consistent as well. No foreign power can interfere in the Western Hemisphere (our sphere of influence) and we want to project power into the Pacific (Hawaii, Guam) to prevent anyone getting close to our borders/Homeland

If you start trying to put bases in close to the USA you can take a reasonable guess what DC is going to do....same is true of Moscow

---

Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. You guys are either intentionally obtuse or just overwhelmed with bad info and stubbornly stuck in your pro Russia position.

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A don't remember a full scale military invasion of Ukraine in 2014

But I am sure you are talking about the local people rising up with some russian paid for mercs and special forces.

But that just brings us back to the isssue

Are secession movements ok when the US backs them (Kosovo, S. Sudan, E. Timor) but wrong when Moscow backs them (Donbas-Crimea)?

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Crimea was part of Ukraine until Russia invaded and annexed it. Just own the miss and move on. It was the beginning of Russia's military actions to take over Eastern Ukraine, that was the first step to the larger invasion.

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Not to mention the tanks with Russian army division markings suddenly appearing, the BUK AA launcher that shot down an airliner then quickly went back Russia, and the Russian obituaries then and now (they don't hide their first invasion medals and "accomplishments" on obituaries), etc.

The_barBEARian said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

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Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

---

Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

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Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

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Russia was never not going to invade.

---

From 1991 to 2022 Russia did not invade

There is nothing sure about anything....except that Nations will pursue the geo-strategic objective that gives them the most protection and benefit.

Moscow (under whatever form of government) has been pretty consistent.....they want their borderlands secure. (Ukraine-Belarus-Georgia-Kazakhstan)

DC has been pretty consistent as well. No foreign power can interfere in the Western Hemisphere (our sphere of influence) and we want to project power into the Pacific (Hawaii, Guam) to prevent anyone getting close to our borders/Homeland

If you start trying to put bases in close to the USA you can take a reasonable guess what DC is going to do....same is true of Moscow

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Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. You guys are either intentionally obtuse or just overwhelmed with bad info and stubbornly stuck in your pro Russia position.

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A don't remember a full scale military invasion of Ukraine in 2014

But I am sure you are talking about the local people rising up with some russian paid for mercs and special forces.

But that just brings us back to the isssue

Are secession movements ok when the US backs them (Kosovo, S. Sudan, E. Timor) but wrong when Moscow backs them (Donbas-Crimea)?

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Crimea was part of Ukraine until Russia invaded and annexed it. Just own the miss and move on. It was the beginning of Russia's military actions to take over Eastern Ukraine, that was the first step to the larger invasion.

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You are calling 2014 an invasion... we are calling it a liberation.

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That is a little far

The people of the Crimea went from being under the rule of some crooks in Kyiv to some crooks in Moscow

But no doubt they wanted to be with their fellow ethnic russians

We will see if it works out for them long term.

Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

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Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

---

Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

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Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

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Russia was never not going to invade.

---

From 1991 to 2022 Russia did not invade

There is nothing sure about anything....except that Nations will pursue the geo-strategic objective that gives them the most protection and benefit.

Moscow (under whatever form of government) has been pretty consistent.....they want their borderlands secure. (Ukraine-Belarus-Georgia-Kazakhstan)

DC has been pretty consistent as well. No foreign power can interfere in the Western Hemisphere (our sphere of influence) and we want to project power into the Pacific (Hawaii, Guam) to prevent anyone getting close to our borders/Homeland

If you start trying to put bases in close to the USA you can take a reasonable guess what DC is going to do....same is true of Moscow

---

Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. You guys are either intentionally obtuse or just overwhelmed with bad info and stubbornly stuck in your pro Russia position.

---

A don't remember a full scale military invasion of Ukraine in 2014

But I am sure you are talking about the local people rising up with some russian paid for mercs and special forces.

But that just brings us back to the isssue

Are secession movements ok when the US backs them (Kosovo, S. Sudan, E. Timor) but wrong when Moscow backs them (Donbas-Crimea)?

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Crimea was part of Ukraine until Russia invaded and annexed it.

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And the USA invaded and annexed parts of Mexico (would you have supported the UK or France getting involved militarily to stop that?)

Plus....that took place with the help and consent of the people who live there ATL (there is no dispute about that)

Millions of ethnic russians live there who don't want to be ruled by Kyiv

Not to mention that Moscow had a long term naval lease and a treaty (Partition Treaty on the Status and Conditions of the Black Sea Fleet)....contents of it being legalese but apparently may have given them the legal right to intervene in Crimea (similar to our Panama Canal treaty).

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Don't fall over from all that spinning.

trey3216 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

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Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

---

Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

---

Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

---

Russia was never not going to invade.

---

From 1991 to 2022 Russia did not invade

There is nothing sure about anything....except that Nations will pursue the geo-strategic objective that gives them the most protection and benefit.

Moscow (under whatever form of government) has been pretty consistent.....they want their borderlands secure. (Ukraine-Belarus-Georgia-Kazakhstan)

DC has been pretty consistent as well. No foreign power can interfere in the Western Hemisphere (our sphere of influence) and we want to project power into the Pacific (Hawaii, Guam) to prevent anyone getting close to our borders/Homeland

If you start trying to put bases in close to the USA you can take a reasonable guess what DC is going to do....same is true of Moscow

---

Now this should be reasonably clear to anyone with a umiversity degree.......however the same guys have been arguing something different for 18 months.

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aside from the very first statement being patently false, and the rest ranting drivel

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Perfect

Guess the US invaded Cuba, Mexico, Canada , the Philippines, Guam, Panama , Nicaragua, and the Dominican Republic for chuckles and grins.

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Trey has been pretty consistent that he does not care when DC invades other countries (international law or no international law)

For some reason he really really cares if Russia invades Ukraine.

He is not even practically concerned about the endless wars in Sub-Saharan Africa....constant border invasions and crimes against humanity among the Bantus down there.

No, but this inter-Slavic war on the frozen borderlands of Europe....now there is a conflict we have to fund forever

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Trey being a person of color, an Italian, probably supports the war because enabling two of the countries with the largest white male populations left in the world to slaughter each other reduces the global white male population dramatically

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Trey is white. Has to write White Caucasian non-Hispanic on every document.

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You should change it to person of color or else Baylor is gonna be charging you $64K per kid to attend the school...lol

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It already costs more than that.

My kids will only be going there if I hit the lottery, if they get full scholarships, or if my wife starts working there.

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Sad... but mine are out as well.

3 kids at plus $64k is at least $768K or more in tuition payments

That is not happening for the wife and I

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

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Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

---

Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

---

Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

---

Russia was never not going to invade.

---

From 1991 to 2022 Russia did not invade

There is nothing sure about anything....except that Nations will pursue the geo-strategic objective that gives them the most protection and benefit.

Moscow (under whatever form of government) has been pretty consistent.....they want their borderlands secure. (Ukraine-Belarus-Georgia-Kazakhstan)

DC has been pretty consistent as well. No foreign power can interfere in the Western Hemisphere (our sphere of influence) and we want to project power into the Pacific (Hawaii, Guam) to prevent anyone getting close to our borders/Homeland

If you start trying to put bases in close to the USA you can take a reasonable guess what DC is going to do....same is true of Moscow

---

Now this should be reasonably clear to anyone with a umiversity degree.......however the same guys have been arguing something different for 18 months.

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aside from the very first statement being patently false, and the rest ranting drivel

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Perfect

Guess the US invaded Cuba, Mexico, Canada , the Philippines, Guam, Panama , Nicaragua, and the Dominican Republic for chuckles and grins.

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Invade? Is that the right word? Where did we stay? All "invasions" served a purpose and we left. Mexico, Panama, Nicaragua and DR.

Cuba,Gaum,Phillipines and PR were Spanish American war spoils at a time when that was how things were done. The US didn't invent the Imperial War land grab game, just played it.

Canada was Revolutionary War, the Brits were launching attacks from Canada.

So, I am not sure we are the same in terms of the Russian invasions. Self-serving, sure. But outside of Manifest Destiny to reach the Pacific, did we stay?

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LOL

So when we invade it's justified.

or

long ago


or



Manifest Destiny





Gotta love the internet.

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Actually you left off the 2 biggies that I agree with on. Iraq and Afghanistan. They were out and out invasions.

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And boondoggle quagmires that cost trillions and end up being failures (Taliban back in control of Afghanistan and Iraq Shiite leadership in bed with Iran)

The same idiots in DC that got us into those illegal & failure plagued wars want us to fight in Ukraine......now you know why we are very skeptical

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No no…….really THIS time it's worth the body bags and billions of dollars.


( as long as I don't have to risk getting MY ass shot off )

ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

---

Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

---

Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

---

Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

---

Russia was never not going to invade.

---

From 1991 to 2022 Russia did not invade

There is nothing sure about anything....except that Nations will pursue the geo-strategic objective that gives them the most protection and benefit.

Moscow (under whatever form of government) has been pretty consistent.....they want their borderlands secure. (Ukraine-Belarus-Georgia-Kazakhstan)

DC has been pretty consistent as well. No foreign power can interfere in the Western Hemisphere (our sphere of influence) and we want to project power into the Pacific (Hawaii, Guam) to prevent anyone getting close to our borders/Homeland

If you start trying to put bases in close to the USA you can take a reasonable guess what DC is going to do....same is true of Moscow

---

Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. You guys are either intentionally obtuse or just overwhelmed with bad info and stubbornly stuck in your pro Russia position.

---

A don't remember a full scale military invasion of Ukraine in 2014

But I am sure you are talking about the local people rising up with some russian paid for mercs and special forces.

But that just brings us back to the isssue

Are secession movements ok when the US backs them (Kosovo, S. Sudan, E. Timor) but wrong when Moscow backs them (Donbas-Crimea)?

---

Crimea was part of Ukraine until Russia invaded and annexed it.

---

And the USA invaded and annexed parts of Mexico (would you have supported the UK or France getting involved militarily to stop that?)

Plus....that took place with the help and consent of the people who live there ATL (there is no dispute about that)

Millions of ethnic russians live there who don't want to be ruled by Kyiv

Not to mention that Moscow had a long term naval lease and a treaty (Partition Treaty on the Status and Conditions of the Black Sea Fleet)....contents of it being legalese but apparently may have given them the legal right to intervene in Crimea (similar to our Panama Canal treaty).

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Don't fall over from all that spinning.

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No need

Just watch the videos VICE did

Russia was involved.....but the people wanted out

Those are the facts

Doc Holliday said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

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Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

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Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

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Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

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Russia was never not going to invade.

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From 1991 to 2022 Russia did not invade

There is nothing sure about anything....except that Nations will pursue the geo-strategic objective that gives them the most protection and benefit.

Moscow (under whatever form of government) has been pretty consistent.....they want their borderlands secure. (Ukraine-Belarus-Georgia-Kazakhstan)

DC has been pretty consistent as well. No foreign power can interfere in the Western Hemisphere (our sphere of influence) and we want to project power into the Pacific (Hawaii, Guam) to prevent anyone getting close to our borders/Homeland

If you start trying to put bases in close to the USA you can take a reasonable guess what DC is going to do....same is true of Moscow

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Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. You guys are either intentionally obtuse or just overwhelmed with bad info and stubbornly stuck in your pro Russia position.

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We have the same position as Trump/Vance…surely you don't think they're pro Russian and not privy to information you have?

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I see nothing from word or proposal that they aren't pro-Russia.

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Bear8084 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

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Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

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Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

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Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

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Russia was never not going to invade.

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From 1991 to 2022 Russia did not invade

There is nothing sure about anything....except that Nations will pursue the geo-strategic objective that gives them the most protection and benefit.

Moscow (under whatever form of government) has been pretty consistent.....they want their borderlands secure. (Ukraine-Belarus-Georgia-Kazakhstan)

DC has been pretty consistent as well. No foreign power can interfere in the Western Hemisphere (our sphere of influence) and we want to project power into the Pacific (Hawaii, Guam) to prevent anyone getting close to our borders/Homeland

If you start trying to put bases in close to the USA you can take a reasonable guess what DC is going to do....same is true of Moscow

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Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. You guys are either intentionally obtuse or just overwhelmed with bad info and stubbornly stuck in your pro Russia position.

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A don't remember a full scale military invasion of Ukraine in 2014

But I am sure you are talking about the local people rising up with some russian paid for mercs and special forces.

But that just brings us back to the isssue

Are secession movements ok when the US backs them (Kosovo, S. Sudan, E. Timor) but wrong when Moscow backs them (Donbas-Crimea)?

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Crimea was part of Ukraine until Russia invaded and annexed it. Just own the miss and move on. It was the beginning of Russia's military actions to take over Eastern Ukraine, that was the first step to the larger invasion.

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Not to mention the tanks with Russian army division markings suddenly appearing, the BUK AA launcher that shot down an airliner then quickly went back Russia, and the Russian obituaries then and now (they don't hide their first invasion medals and "accomplishments" on obituaries), etc.

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Indisputable proof doesn't matter. America Bad. Russia Good.

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America is actually usually good...but DC does make geo-strategic mistakes sometimes

Like craving out Muslim crime family dominated little state-lets that are not viable (Kosovo)

And getting into some dumb wars sometimes. (see past 20 years in the middle east)

But if Russia tried to pull Mexico or Canada out of our sphere of influence you would be the first guy on here demanding we invade or overthrow their governments

Redbrickbear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

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Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

---

Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

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Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

---

Russia was never not going to invade.

---

From 1991 to 2022 Russia did not invade

There is nothing sure about anything....except that Nations will pursue the geo-strategic objective that gives them the most protection and benefit.

Moscow (under whatever form of government) has been pretty consistent.....they want their borderlands secure. (Ukraine-Belarus-Georgia-Kazakhstan)

DC has been pretty consistent as well. No foreign power can interfere in the Western Hemisphere (our sphere of influence) and we want to project power into the Pacific (Hawaii, Guam) to prevent anyone getting close to our borders/Homeland

If you start trying to put bases in close to the USA you can take a reasonable guess what DC is going to do....same is true of Moscow

---

Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. You guys are either intentionally obtuse or just overwhelmed with bad info and stubbornly stuck in your pro Russia position.

---

A don't remember a full scale military invasion of Ukraine in 2014

But I am sure you are talking about the local people rising up with some russian paid for mercs and special forces.

But that just brings us back to the isssue

Are secession movements ok when the US backs them (Kosovo, S. Sudan, E. Timor) but wrong when Moscow backs them (Donbas-Crimea)?

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Crimea was part of Ukraine until Russia invaded and annexed it. Just own the miss and move on. It was the beginning of Russia's military actions to take over Eastern Ukraine, that was the first step to the larger invasion.

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You are calling 2014 an invasion... we are calling it a liberation.

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That is a little far

The people of the Crimea went from being under the rule of some crooks in Kyiv to some crooks in Moscow

But no doubt they wanted to be with their fellow ethnic russians

We will see if it works out for them long term.

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One man's despot is another man's hero.

I'm pretty consistent in that I am an isolationist and the best policy is to avoid foreign wars... especially when you country has historic debt-to-GDP.

I would make an exception for reclaiming the Panama canal or sending SF into Mexico to assassinate cartel members however...

Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

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Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

---

Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

---

Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

---

Russia was never not going to invade.

---

From 1991 to 2022 Russia did not invade

There is nothing sure about anything....except that Nations will pursue the geo-strategic objective that gives them the most protection and benefit.

Moscow (under whatever form of government) has been pretty consistent.....they want their borderlands secure. (Ukraine-Belarus-Georgia-Kazakhstan)

DC has been pretty consistent as well. No foreign power can interfere in the Western Hemisphere (our sphere of influence) and we want to project power into the Pacific (Hawaii, Guam) to prevent anyone getting close to our borders/Homeland

If you start trying to put bases in close to the USA you can take a reasonable guess what DC is going to do....same is true of Moscow

---

Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. You guys are either intentionally obtuse or just overwhelmed with bad info and stubbornly stuck in your pro Russia position.

---

A don't remember a full scale military invasion of Ukraine in 2014

But I am sure you are talking about the local people rising up with some russian paid for mercs and special forces.

But that just brings us back to the isssue

Are secession movements ok when the US backs them (Kosovo, S. Sudan, E. Timor) but wrong when Moscow backs them (Donbas-Crimea)?

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Crimea was part of Ukraine until Russia invaded and annexed it.

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And the USA invaded and annexed parts of Mexico (would you have supported the UK or France getting involved militarily to stop that?)

Plus....that took place with the help and consent of the people who live there ATL (there is no dispute about that)

Millions of ethnic russians live there who don't want to be ruled by Kyiv

Not to mention that Moscow had a long term naval lease and a treaty (Partition Treaty on the Status and Conditions of the Black Sea Fleet)....contents of it being legalese but apparently may have given them the legal right to intervene in Crimea (similar to our Panama Canal treaty).

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Don't fall over from all that spinning.

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No need

Just watch the videos VICE did

Russia was involved.....but the people wanted out

Those are the facts

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"we don't want to join russia"
"we never got a voter card like we usually do"

nothing suspicious here!

The_barBEARian said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

---

Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

---

Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

---

Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

---

Russia was never not going to invade.

---

From 1991 to 2022 Russia did not invade

There is nothing sure about anything....except that Nations will pursue the geo-strategic objective that gives them the most protection and benefit.

Moscow (under whatever form of government) has been pretty consistent.....they want their borderlands secure. (Ukraine-Belarus-Georgia-Kazakhstan)

DC has been pretty consistent as well. No foreign power can interfere in the Western Hemisphere (our sphere of influence) and we want to project power into the Pacific (Hawaii, Guam) to prevent anyone getting close to our borders/Homeland

If you start trying to put bases in close to the USA you can take a reasonable guess what DC is going to do....same is true of Moscow

---

Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. You guys are either intentionally obtuse or just overwhelmed with bad info and stubbornly stuck in your pro Russia position.

---

A don't remember a full scale military invasion of Ukraine in 2014

But I am sure you are talking about the local people rising up with some russian paid for mercs and special forces.

But that just brings us back to the isssue

Are secession movements ok when the US backs them (Kosovo, S. Sudan, E. Timor) but wrong when Moscow backs them (Donbas-Crimea)?

---

Crimea was part of Ukraine until Russia invaded and annexed it. Just own the miss and move on. It was the beginning of Russia's military actions to take over Eastern Ukraine, that was the first step to the larger invasion.

---

You are calling 2014 an invasion... we are calling it a liberation.

---

That is a little far

The people of the Crimea went from being under the rule of some crooks in Kyiv to some crooks in Moscow

But no doubt they wanted to be with their fellow ethnic russians

We will see if it works out for them long term.

---

One man's despot is another man's hero.

I'm pretty consistent in that I am an isolationist and the best policy is to avoid foreign wars... especially when you country has historic debt-to-GDP.

I would make an exception for reclaiming the Panama canal or sending SF into Mexico to assassinate cartel members however...

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Your ultimate goal is for the government to give you something. You're no better than any Democrat or big spending RINO.

Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

---

Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

---

Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

---

Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

---

Russia was never not going to invade.

---

From 1991 to 2022 Russia did not invade

There is nothing sure about anything....except that Nations will pursue the geo-strategic objective that gives them the most protection and benefit.

Moscow (under whatever form of government) has been pretty consistent.....they want their borderlands secure. (Ukraine-Belarus-Georgia-Kazakhstan)

DC has been pretty consistent as well. No foreign power can interfere in the Western Hemisphere (our sphere of influence) and we want to project power into the Pacific (Hawaii, Guam) to prevent anyone getting close to our borders/Homeland

If you start trying to put bases in close to the USA you can take a reasonable guess what DC is going to do....same is true of Moscow

---

Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. You guys are either intentionally obtuse or just overwhelmed with bad info and stubbornly stuck in your pro Russia position.

---

A don't remember a full scale military invasion of Ukraine in 2014

But I am sure you are talking about the local people rising up with some russian paid for mercs and special forces.

But that just brings us back to the isssue

Are secession movements ok when the US backs them (Kosovo, S. Sudan, E. Timor) but wrong when Moscow backs them (Donbas-Crimea)?

---

Crimea was part of Ukraine until Russia invaded and annexed it.

---

And the USA invaded and annexed parts of Mexico (would you have supported the UK or France getting involved militarily to stop that?)

Plus....that took place with the help and consent of the people who live there ATL (there is no dispute about that)

Millions of ethnic russians live there who don't want to be ruled by Kyiv

Not to mention that Moscow had a long term naval lease and a treaty (Partition Treaty on the Status and Conditions of the Black Sea Fleet)....contents of it being legalese but apparently may have given them the legal right to intervene in Crimea (similar to our Panama Canal treaty).

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Don't fall over from all that spinning.

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No need

Just watch the videos VICE did

Russia was involved.....but the people wanted out

Those are the facts

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Did you really post a video about the post invasion referendum as some sort of point about whether Russia invaded Ukraine?

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Bear8084 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Does anyone seriously believe Ukraine started the war? https://t.co/ivBfB1htMd

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2025

---

Putin and Biden started the war.

Biden in repeatedly offering Ukraine NATO membership….even when a frustrated Putin had finally put 200,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.

And Putin by actually following through with his threat to invade.

Both Biden and Putin each made a huge miscalculation.

Biden in not believing Putin would actually invade Ukraine rather than allow them in NATO.

And Putin by grossly overestimating the combat capabilities of his military. Putin no doubt thought his army would overwhelm Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

As a result hundreds of thousands of individuals are dead; millions of Ukrainians are refugees and the elites of 3 countries are richer.

---

Biden could have asked Nancy how to get rich that would he a hell of a lot easier than this conspiracy bull**** you got from a gold investing email

---

Yeah

Harris must have thought those 200,000 Russian troops were an illusion when she went to Europe and AGAIN publicly promoted Ukrainian membership into NATO.

Putin invaded shortly afterwards.

APMEX is a good source for gold eagles and gold maple leafs.
Now over $ 3000.00 an ounce. LOL

Too bad you don't have the cash to play.

---

Russia was never not going to invade.

---

From 1991 to 2022 Russia did not invade

There is nothing sure about anything....except that Nations will pursue the geo-strategic objective that gives them the most protection and benefit.

Moscow (under whatever form of government) has been pretty consistent.....they want their borderlands secure. (Ukraine-Belarus-Georgia-Kazakhstan)

DC has been pretty consistent as well. No foreign power can interfere in the Western Hemisphere (our sphere of influence) and we want to project power into the Pacific (Hawaii, Guam) to prevent anyone getting close to our borders/Homeland

If you start trying to put bases in close to the USA you can take a reasonable guess what DC is going to do....same is true of Moscow

---

Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. You guys are either intentionally obtuse or just overwhelmed with bad info and stubbornly stuck in your pro Russia position.

---

A don't remember a full scale military invasion of Ukraine in 2014

But I am sure you are talking about the local people rising up with some russian paid for mercs and special forces.

But that just brings us back to the isssue

Are secession movements ok when the US backs them (Kosovo, S. Sudan, E. Timor) but wrong when Moscow backs them (Donbas-Crimea)?

---

Crimea was part of Ukraine until Russia invaded and annexed it. Just own the miss and move on. It was the beginning of Russia's military actions to take over Eastern Ukraine, that was the first step to the larger invasion.

---

Not to mention the tanks with Russian army division markings suddenly appearing, the BUK AA launcher that shot down an airliner then quickly went back Russia, and the Russian obituaries then and now (they don't hide their first invasion medals and "accomplishments" on obituaries), etc.

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Indisputable proof doesn't matter. America Bad. Russia Good.

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So the guy who voted for Kamala is the one writing purity tests for American patriotism... you cant make this stuff up!