Why Are We in Ukraine?

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11:48a, 3/11/25
War is hell

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In reply to Assassin • 11:58a, 3/11/25
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This says a lot about how Ukraine has "cleaned up" its reputation under Zelensky. Anyone trying to expose corruption ends up silenced and imprisoned.
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In reply to Assassin • 12:31p, 3/11/25
I haven't heard or thought about MSN in 20 years. Are they still pro-Iraq war?
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In reply to Doc Holliday • 12:32p, 3/11/25
Doc Holliday said:
War is hell

Going to be lot more dead ones without US military support. They aren't as chicken**** as the posters here and will fight for their sovereignty. Meanwhile we are trying to start a war with Canada just because we can
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In reply to ron.reagan • 12:35p, 3/11/25
ron.reagan said:
Doc Holliday said:
War is hell

Going to be lot more dead ones without US military support. They aren't as chicken**** as the posters here and will fight for their sovereignty. Meanwhile we are trying to start a war with Canada just because we can
There is hope for you yet ron.reagan

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In reply to Sam Lowry • 12:47p, 3/11/25
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Assassin said:
This says a lot about how Ukraine has "cleaned up" its reputation under Zelensky. Anyone trying to expose corruption ends up silenced and imprisoned.
I mean, I get that you think Ukraine is a corrupt banana republic, an assessment I don't disagree with, but coming from the same guy that defends the despicable acts of Putin and the Russian govt. at almost every turn, you seem to lack any semblance of self-awareness, and fail to understand the incredible hypocrisy in your positions.
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In reply to Mothra • 1:15p, 3/11/25
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Sam Lowry said:
Assassin said:
This says a lot about how Ukraine has "cleaned up" its reputation under Zelensky. Anyone trying to expose corruption ends up silenced and imprisoned.
I mean, I get that you think Ukraine is a corrupt banana republic, an assessment I don't disagree with, but coming from the same guy that defends the despicable acts of Putin and the Russian govt. at almost every turn, you seem to lack any semblance of self-awareness, and fail to understand the incredible hypocrisy in your positions.
I follow the evidence. If that upsets you, you're not alone.
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1:15p, 3/11/25
Trump just resumed military aid support to Ukraine. The ball is now in Russia's hands
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In reply to Assassin • 1:20p, 3/11/25
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Uh . . . a pro-Palestinian group claimed responsibility.

Elon truly has lost it. Sick in the head.
If he says the IP addresses are in the Ukraine, that would be a fact. If you don't know what an IP address is, that's on you. It's not rocket science. He didn't say if they were Palestinian or not.
I posted in the BC thread about this and questioned whether a hacker this skilled would leave his IP address open.

But, regardless, the pro-Palestinian group is based in Russia, so I guess that is the "Ukraine area."

Elon is piece of **** for saying that. And to think he called a decorated soldier and astronaut a traitor on the same day.
Your hate for Elon blinds you to all possibilities
Yes, I despise Elon.

But, in the other thread, I actually said it would not surprise me at all if some Ukrainians were pissed at Musk and tried to do something like this.

Here, however, we have a known hacker group claiming responsibility v. Elon's claim without any evidence.

How do you do that math?
You are not understanding. An IP address is designated to a network at an address at any given time. It can only be where it is. These addresses are assigned to the network by an ISP. Its rather easy to track these down. That is what Elon said. The IP addresses were in the Ukraine. Technically, IP addresses are assigned through a hierarchical system managed by the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) and Regional Internet Registries (RIRs), with ISPs then assigning addresses to their customers using methods like Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP).
"An IP address is designated to a network at an address at any given time."
No it's not.

"It can only be where it is." This makes no sense.

"These addresses are assigned to the network by an ISP." No they aren't

IPs are like parking spots at Walmart. Just because someone parked there at one time doesn't mean they had anything to do with it.

This may be surprising to you but DDOS attacks don't happen from your home computer assigned by Google Fiber. Most are from bot networks (lots of people spread around with malware)
IP addresses are assigned through a hierarchical system managed by the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) and Regional Internet Registries (RIRs), with ISPs then assigning addresses to their customers using methods like Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP).
This is like saying your clothing is assigned by God. Also, most IPs have absolutely nothing to do with IANA or DHCP.
Have you ever setup a Server? If so, you know that you contact an ISP, who gets their IPs from IANA. You can also get a public IP address from a Regional Internet Registry (RIR) if you are a big setup. You get the IPs, then you setup your network and assign individual IPs unless you are running a dynamic setup. You might use static IPs if you are using VOIP and PCs at the same time.

ISPs obtain IP addresses from the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) and the Regional Internet Registries (RIRs), which manage the IP address space and allocate blocks of addresses to ISPs.
You can get a whole block of IPs from AWS in 5 minutes right now that was owned by someone in India 5 minutes ago. You have no idea what you are talking about
Remember what Elon said, he tracked the IPs to the Ukraine, that's all. That is where the IPs were located that were the hackers. Doesnt mean that they were physically in the Ukraine. If you get a block from AWS that was owned by someone in India, that can be traced back to India, IF that is where the ISP was that the IANA assigned them to. There is always a trail.


Definitely not chiming in on the tech, but Elon said "Ukraine area," and his own employees called him out even for that.
I don't see where his own employees are calling him out. The guy you re-tweeted earlier seems to agree with him.
Agreed. Thanks Sam


There was a community note that Elon had removed. Even worse.
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In reply to ron.reagan • 1:27p, 3/11/25
ron.reagan said:
Doc Holliday said:
War is hell

Going to be lot more dead ones without US military support. They aren't as chicken**** as the posters here and will fight for their sovereignty. Meanwhile we are trying to start a war with Canada just because we can
Going to be a lot less dead ones with a peace deal versus US military support.

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In reply to Sam Lowry • 1:35p, 3/11/25
Kind of like Putin except his critics always end up dead in an "accident". I guess that makes Zelensky better!
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In reply to ron.reagan • 1:38p, 3/11/25
ron.reagan said:
Doc Holliday said:
War is hell

Going to be lot more dead ones without US military support. They aren't as chicken**** as the posters here and will fight for their sovereignty. Meanwhile we are trying to start a war with Canada just because we can

Join the Brave | International Legionnaires of Ukraine

For you, trey, ATLBear, Sombear... and any "non-chicken****" posters who love trying to involve the rest of us in foreign wars.
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1:42p, 3/11/25
Peace deal happening. Thank the Lord

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." ~ John Adams
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In reply to Doc Holliday • 1:47p, 3/11/25
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Peace deal happening. Thank the Lord

The ball is with Putin now
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In reply to The_barBEARian • 1:49p, 3/11/25
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ron.reagan said:
Doc Holliday said:
War is hell

Going to be lot more dead ones without US military support. They aren't as chicken**** as the posters here and will fight for their sovereignty. Meanwhile we are trying to start a war with Canada just because we can

Join the Brave | International Legionnaires of Ukraine

For you, trey, ATLBear, Sombear... and any "non-chicken****" posters who love trying to involve the rest of us in foreign wars.
Perhaps you should be an "Onward Christian Soldier" and go fight for Russia. Maybe putting that 'Z' on your arm will help you get a woman, since she'd be getting a free LADA in a few weeks.
Mr. Treehorn treats objects like women, man.
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In reply to trey3216 • 1:54p, 3/11/25
trey3216 said:
The_barBEARian said:
ron.reagan said:
Doc Holliday said:
War is hell

Going to be lot more dead ones without US military support. They aren't as chicken**** as the posters here and will fight for their sovereignty. Meanwhile we are trying to start a war with Canada just because we can

Join the Brave | International Legionnaires of Ukraine

For you, trey, ATLBear, Sombear... and any "non-chicken****" posters who love trying to involve the rest of us in foreign wars.
Perhaps you should be an "Onward Christian Soldier" and go fight for Russia. Maybe putting that 'Z' on your arm will help you get a woman, since she'd be getting a free LADA in a few weeks.

You are a strange dude...
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In reply to Doc Holliday • 1:56p, 3/11/25
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Peace deal happening. Thank the Lord



Russians aren't on board.
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In reply to Sam Lowry • 2:04p, 3/11/25
Sam Lowry said:
Mothra said:
Sam Lowry said:
Assassin said:
This says a lot about how Ukraine has "cleaned up" its reputation under Zelensky. Anyone trying to expose corruption ends up silenced and imprisoned.
I mean, I get that you think Ukraine is a corrupt banana republic, an assessment I don't disagree with, but coming from the same guy that defends the despicable acts of Putin and the Russian govt. at almost every turn, you seem to lack any semblance of self-awareness, and fail to understand the incredible hypocrisy in your positions.
I follow the evidence. If that upsets you, you're not alone.


lol. What a bull **** whopper.

You follow the evidence only if it implicates Ukraine. If it implicates Russia you pretty much ignore it.

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In reply to Assassin • 2:04p, 3/11/25
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Doc Holliday said:
Peace deal happening. Thank the Lord

The ball is with Putin now
It depends on what we're offering. A ceasefire in and of itself benefits no one except the Ukrainians.
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In reply to Sam Lowry • 2:09p, 3/11/25
Sam Lowry said:
Assassin said:
Doc Holliday said:
Peace deal happening. Thank the Lord

The ball is with Putin now
It depends on what we're offering. A ceasefire in and of itself benefits no one except the Ukrainians.


Well, it also prevents Russian soldiers from continuing to be slaughtered, but we all know your boy Putin doesn't care about that
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In reply to Sam Lowry • 2:27p, 3/11/25
Sam Lowry said:
Assassin said:
Doc Holliday said:
Peace deal happening. Thank the Lord

The ball is with Putin now
It depends on what we're offering. A ceasefire in and of itself benefits no one except the Ukrainians.
My guess is that the Ukranians are going to have to give up some land, Zelensky will have to step down and the US gets a bunch of mineral rights
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In reply to Assassin • 2:28p, 3/11/25
Assassin said:
Sam Lowry said:
Assassin said:
Doc Holliday said:
Peace deal happening. Thank the Lord

The ball is with Putin now
It depends on what we're offering. A ceasefire in and of itself benefits no one except the Ukrainians.
My guess is that the Ukranians are going to have to give up some land, Zelensky will have to step down and the US gets a bunch of mineral rights
My guess is Putin will show his ass, and we'll be right back to square one.
Mr. Treehorn treats objects like women, man.
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In reply to trey3216 • 2:30p, 3/11/25
trey3216 said:
Assassin said:
Sam Lowry said:
Assassin said:
Doc Holliday said:
Peace deal happening. Thank the Lord

The ball is with Putin now
It depends on what we're offering. A ceasefire in and of itself benefits no one except the Ukrainians.
My guess is that the Ukranians are going to have to give up some land, Zelensky will have to step down and the US gets a bunch of mineral rights
My guess is Putin will show his ass, and we'll be right back to square one.
It's possible, although my other guess is that he probably has already agreed to much of it, if not all, with Trump and Rubio
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2:53p, 3/11/25
thank god the war is over
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3:04p, 3/11/25
I'll stand by the principle that has never failed:

NEVER TRUST PUTIN

Truly hope I'm wrong and this is the beginning of the end of the war. I pray everyday for that.
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https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/spilna-zayava-za-pidsumkami-zustrichi-delegacij-ukrayini-ta-96553
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3:08p, 3/11/25
Ukraine Agrees To 30-Day Ceasefire, Pending Russian Approval

https://www.dailywire.com/news/ukraine-russia-ceasefire-rubio
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In reply to historian • 3:25p, 3/11/25
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Ukraine Agrees To 30-Day Ceasefire, Pending Russian Approval

https://www.dailywire.com/news/ukraine-russia-ceasefire-rubio
I agree to sex with Gal Gadot, pending her approval
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In reply to sombear • 3:47p, 3/11/25
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I'll stand by the principle that has never failed:

NEVER TRUST PUTIN

Truly hope I'm wrong and this is the beginning of the end of the war. I pray everyday for that.
I think you can trust what he's actually said, which is that Russia will agree to a ceasefire if Ukraine withdraws from all annexed territory and agrees not to join NATO. Don't be surprised if Putin counters the US offer with a few minor concessions to sweeten the deal, but don't expect him to depart from his core demands either.
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In reply to Sam Lowry • 4:11p, 3/11/25
Sam Lowry said:
sombear said:
I'll stand by the principle that has never failed:

NEVER TRUST PUTIN

Truly hope I'm wrong and this is the beginning of the end of the war. I pray everyday for that.
I think you can trust what he's actually said, which is that Russia will agree to a ceasefire if Ukraine withdraws from all annexed territory and agrees not to join NATO. Don't be surprised if Putin counters the US offer with a few minor concessions to sweeten the deal, but don't expect him to depart from his core demands either.
His core demands aren't and shouldn't be our concern.

Not to mention the fact that you'd trust him if he said "I will not violate your mother, I just wish to spend more alone time with her while your father watches"
Mr. Treehorn treats objects like women, man.
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In reply to trey3216 • 5:06p, 3/11/25
trey3216 said:
Sam Lowry said:
sombear said:
I'll stand by the principle that has never failed:

NEVER TRUST PUTIN

Truly hope I'm wrong and this is the beginning of the end of the war. I pray everyday for that.
I think you can trust what he's actually said, which is that Russia will agree to a ceasefire if Ukraine withdraws from all annexed territory and agrees not to join NATO. Don't be surprised if Putin counters the US offer with a few minor concessions to sweeten the deal, but don't expect him to depart from his core demands either.
Not to mention the fact that you'd trust him if he said "I will not violate your mother, I just wish to spend more alone time with her while your father watches"
Indeed.

I've come to the conclusion that Sam might be a Russian bot.
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In reply to KaiBear • 6:21p, 3/11/25
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sombear said:
Assassin said:
sombear said:
Assassin said:
sombear said:
Assassin said:
Uh . . . a pro-Palestinian group claimed responsibility.

Elon truly has lost it. Sick in the head.
If he says the IP addresses are in the Ukraine, that would be a fact. If you don't know what an IP address is, that's on you. It's not rocket science. He didn't say if they were Palestinian or not.
I posted in the BC thread about this and questioned whether a hacker this skilled would leave his IP address open.

But, regardless, the pro-Palestinian group is based in Russia, so I guess that is the "Ukraine area."

Elon is piece of **** for saying that. And to think he called a decorated soldier and astronaut a traitor on the same day.
Your hate for Elon blinds you to all possibilities
Yes, I despise Elon.



Of course you have the privilege to 'despise' whoever you wish.

However the man has created thousands of jobs for Americans and now is discovering trillions of dollars worth of graft , fraud and waste in the federal bureaucracy.

I appreciate every thing he has done.


Why any sane person would despise Elon is beyond me. Crazy really. Even when Elon was a voting Democrat, I did not despise him. But sombear is a bit melodramatic these days. So whatever.
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In reply to TinFoilHatPreacherBear • 6:31p, 3/11/25
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
KaiBear said:
sombear said:
Assassin said:
sombear said:
Assassin said:
sombear said:
Assassin said:
Uh . . . a pro-Palestinian group claimed responsibility.

Elon truly has lost it. Sick in the head.
If he says the IP addresses are in the Ukraine, that would be a fact. If you don't know what an IP address is, that's on you. It's not rocket science. He didn't say if they were Palestinian or not.
I posted in the BC thread about this and questioned whether a hacker this skilled would leave his IP address open.

But, regardless, the pro-Palestinian group is based in Russia, so I guess that is the "Ukraine area."

Elon is piece of **** for saying that. And to think he called a decorated soldier and astronaut a traitor on the same day.
Your hate for Elon blinds you to all possibilities
Yes, I despise Elon.
Of course you have the privilege to 'despise' whoever you wish.

However the man has created thousands of jobs for Americans and now is discovering trillions of dollars worth of graft , fraud and waste in the federal bureaucracy.

I appreciate every thing he has done.
Why any sane person would despise Elon is beyond me. Crazy really. Even when Elon was a voting Democrat, I did not despise him. But sombear is a bit melodramatic these days. So whatever.
Indeed. Too easily influenced by The View I guess
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In reply to Assassin • 12:00a, 3/12/25
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Hate to see that. I knew Ukraine was going to lose but it's Stillwater not something I'm happy about.
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