Mothra said:

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ron.reagan said:

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We are their eternal enemy. You have to have an extreme level of gullibility to think otherwise. They choose self harm and conflict with us instead of prosperity

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Bingo.

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Russia is not the eternal enemy.

You and ron are just two very old and very out of touch guys that need to accept that your time has passed and stick to bingo nights and shuffle board.

There is nothing more cringe than old men cheerleading a war they are too decrepit to go fight themselves.

sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The best way to know whether Russia is acting in good faith is to act in good faith ourselves and see how they respond. It's our own fault that was never tried.

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Don't have to go nearly that deep. Just stop at both countries being led by dictators who despise freedom and liberty and will do anything and everything to suppress it.

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If that were true we would never have been able to conduct successful diplomacy in the past. Obviously we have been, and with regimes far more dictatorial and ideological than the current ones.

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Different issue. I was addressing their bad faith. Dictators don't act in good faith.

On your point, yes, we've done business with dictators, but virtually always when the alternative was worse. Plus, unlike China and Russia, those dictators were not actively working to undermine us in every region of the world.

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China and Russia were never more oppressive to their own people or more hostile to our interests around the world than during the latter half of the 20th century. In that time we worked together to partition Germany, resolve the Cuban missile crisis, establish relations with the PRC after the loss of Taiwan (which was also a "dictatorship," by the way), explore space, establish a broad arms control and security framework, and negotiate an end to the Cold War. Reagan's motto, "trust but verify," was eminently successful. The idea that our rivals are incapable of good faith dealings is not borne out by history. It's hard to contemplate what the world would look like today if our leaders then had believed as you do.

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Good stuff, but none of that was Xi or Putin.

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No, those were actual, textbook dictatorships with actual hostility to Western freedom and democracy.

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For sure. And we "do business" with China and Russia as we did then. As you've pointed out, we do business with all kinds of bad characters. That doesn't mean we trust them, that they act in good faith in the bigger picture, or that we align with them on broader issues.

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Then I'm not sure what your point is. Mao was the biggest mass murderer in human history, but we can't deal with Putin because he kicked out USAID or something? Makes no sense.

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Russia's invasion of Ukraine was an abomination. I'm glad we've supported Ukraine and hope we continue to do so.

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Was the USA invading iraq an abomination?

Powerful countries invade others to peruse their own geo-strategic interests.

The real question is do you want to put troops into the war to stop Russia from doing that....

So far if you just want us shipping them weapons then we are just prolonging a war that Ukraine can not win.....10 years on and they have not retaken Donbas or Crimea

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No it was not. Hussein was an enemy. He broke the agreements. He tried to assassinate GW Bush. We thought he had WMD. In hindsight, it was a bad decision.

Yes, powerful countries sometimes try to take over countries. But that is very rare these days, and we have the right to oppose.

You know my answer. I have never supported US troops in Ukraine.

Ukraine has fought to a stalemate. if we continue to support, Russia may have to fold.

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Is this what Israel told you?

The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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ron.reagan said:

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We are their eternal enemy. You have to have an extreme level of gullibility to think otherwise. They choose self harm and conflict with us instead of prosperity

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Bingo.

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Russia is not the eternal enemy.

You and ron are just two very old and very out of touch guys that need to accept that your time has passed and stick to bingo nights and shuffle board.

There is nothing more cringe than old men cheerleading a war they are too decrepit to go fight themselves.

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The estrogen from your fat cells are getting to your brain

The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The best way to know whether Russia is acting in good faith is to act in good faith ourselves and see how they respond. It's our own fault that was never tried.

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Don't have to go nearly that deep. Just stop at both countries being led by dictators who despise freedom and liberty and will do anything and everything to suppress it.

---

If that were true we would never have been able to conduct successful diplomacy in the past. Obviously we have been, and with regimes far more dictatorial and ideological than the current ones.

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Different issue. I was addressing their bad faith. Dictators don't act in good faith.

On your point, yes, we've done business with dictators, but virtually always when the alternative was worse. Plus, unlike China and Russia, those dictators were not actively working to undermine us in every region of the world.

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China and Russia were never more oppressive to their own people or more hostile to our interests around the world than during the latter half of the 20th century. In that time we worked together to partition Germany, resolve the Cuban missile crisis, establish relations with the PRC after the loss of Taiwan (which was also a "dictatorship," by the way), explore space, establish a broad arms control and security framework, and negotiate an end to the Cold War. Reagan's motto, "trust but verify," was eminently successful. The idea that our rivals are incapable of good faith dealings is not borne out by history. It's hard to contemplate what the world would look like today if our leaders then had believed as you do.

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Good stuff, but none of that was Xi or Putin.

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No, those were actual, textbook dictatorships with actual hostility to Western freedom and democracy.

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For sure. And we "do business" with China and Russia as we did then. As you've pointed out, we do business with all kinds of bad characters. That doesn't mean we trust them, that they act in good faith in the bigger picture, or that we align with them on broader issues.

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Then I'm not sure what your point is. Mao was the biggest mass murderer in human history, but we can't deal with Putin because he kicked out USAID or something? Makes no sense.

---

Russia's invasion of Ukraine was an abomination. I'm glad we've supported Ukraine and hope we continue to do so.

---

Was the USA invading iraq an abomination?

Powerful countries invade others to peruse their own geo-strategic interests.

The real question is do you want to put troops into the war to stop Russia from doing that....

So far if you just want us shipping them weapons then we are just prolonging a war that Ukraine can not win.....10 years on and they have not retaken Donbas or Crimea

---

No it was not. Hussein was an enemy. He broke the agreements. He tried to assassinate GW Bush. We thought he had WMD. In hindsight, it was a bad decision.

Yes, powerful countries sometimes try to take over countries. But that is very rare these days, and we have the right to oppose.

You know my answer. I have never supported US troops in Ukraine.

Ukraine has fought to a stalemate. if we continue to support, Russia may have to fold.

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Is this what Israel told you?

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The Assassination Attempt Against George H.W. Bush
BY ALLEN MCDUFFEEJAN. 5, 2021 10:57 AM EST

Cynthia Johnson/Getty Images

American presidents have managed to escape dozens of assassination attempts over the course of American history, but only one known attempt came after leaving the Oval Office. President George H.W. Bush was the target of just one known assassination plot, but it didn't come until three months after the end of his single term.

On April 13, 1993, the day before George H.W. Bush was scheduled to visit Kuwait to honor his victory in the Persian Gulf War against Iraq, Kuwaiti authorities foiled a car-bomb plot to assassinate him. More than a dozen suspects, most of them Iraqi nationals, were arrested. The next day their massive car bomb was discovered in Kuwait City.

An investigation revealed multiple Iraqi plots to assassinate George H.W. Bush

The Kuwaiti Ministry of Defense said the conspirators had three different plans to assassinate George H.W. Bush while he was in Kuwait, according to The Independent. One was to explode remote-control car bombs as he arrived in the country at Kuwait International Airport. A second location for a car bombing was near the theater at Kuwait University, where he was to receive an honorary doctorate. A third option was a suicide attack by strapping explosives to a bomber and detonating the bomb while he was near Bush.

Through suspect interviews and a thorough examination of the mechanics of the bomb, the FBI determined the plot had been directed by the Iraqi Intelligence Service, and a Kuwaiti court later convicted all but one of the defendants.

The official U.S. response came from newly elected President Bill Clinton. Citing "compelling evidence" of the direct involvement of Iraqi intelligence in the assassination attempt, Clinton ordered a retaliatory attack against their headquarters in Baghdad on June 26, 1993. Twenty-three Tomahawk missiles were fired off the USS Peterson in the Red Sea and the USS Chancellorsville in the Persian Gulf. The shelling destroyed the building and killed several civilians, according to Iraqi accounts cited by GlobalSecurity.org.

"It was an elaborate plan devised by the Iraqi government and directed against a former president of the United States because of actions he took as president," Clinton said in a televised address, according to The Washington Post. "As such, the Iraqi attack against President Bush was an attack against our country and against all Americans."

The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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ron.reagan said:

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We are their eternal enemy. You have to have an extreme level of gullibility to think otherwise. They choose self harm and conflict with us instead of prosperity

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Bingo.

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Russia is not the eternal enemy.

You and ron are just two very old and very out of touch guys that need to accept that your time has passed and stick to bingo nights and shuffle board.

There is nothing more cringe than old men cheerleading a war they are too decrepit to go fight themselves.

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You remain one of the dumbest posters on this board. This post is further proof.

Don't you have some Palestinian protest to attend?

Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The best way to know whether Russia is acting in good faith is to act in good faith ourselves and see how they respond. It's our own fault that was never tried.

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Don't have to go nearly that deep. Just stop at both countries being led by dictators who despise freedom and liberty and will do anything and everything to suppress it.

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If that were true we would never have been able to conduct successful diplomacy in the past. Obviously we have been, and with regimes far more dictatorial and ideological than the current ones.

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Different issue. I was addressing their bad faith. Dictators don't act in good faith.

On your point, yes, we've done business with dictators, but virtually always when the alternative was worse. Plus, unlike China and Russia, those dictators were not actively working to undermine us in every region of the world.

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China and Russia were never more oppressive to their own people or more hostile to our interests around the world than during the latter half of the 20th century. In that time we worked together to partition Germany, resolve the Cuban missile crisis, establish relations with the PRC after the loss of Taiwan (which was also a "dictatorship," by the way), explore space, establish a broad arms control and security framework, and negotiate an end to the Cold War. Reagan's motto, "trust but verify," was eminently successful. The idea that our rivals are incapable of good faith dealings is not borne out by history. It's hard to contemplate what the world would look like today if our leaders then had believed as you do.

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Good stuff, but none of that was Xi or Putin.

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No, those were actual, textbook dictatorships with actual hostility to Western freedom and democracy.

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For sure. And we "do business" with China and Russia as we did then. As you've pointed out, we do business with all kinds of bad characters. That doesn't mean we trust them, that they act in good faith in the bigger picture, or that we align with them on broader issues.

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Then I'm not sure what your point is. Mao was the biggest mass murderer in human history, but we can't deal with Putin because he kicked out USAID or something? Makes no sense.

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Russia's invasion of Ukraine was an abomination. I'm glad we've supported Ukraine and hope we continue to do so.

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Was the USA invading iraq an abomination?

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Yes.

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Appreciate the terrorist perspective.

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You would know.

ron.reagan said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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ron.reagan said:

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We are their eternal enemy. You have to have an extreme level of gullibility to think otherwise. They choose self harm and conflict with us instead of prosperity

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Bingo.

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Russia is not the eternal enemy.

You and ron are just two very old and very out of touch guys that need to accept that your time has passed and stick to bingo nights and shuffle board.

There is nothing more cringe than old men cheerleading a war they are too decrepit to go fight themselves.

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The estrogen from your fat cells are getting to your brain

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Your insults aren't even clever anymore... maybe your dementia has dulled your sharp wit.

Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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ron.reagan said:

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We are their eternal enemy. You have to have an extreme level of gullibility to think otherwise. They choose self harm and conflict with us instead of prosperity

---

Bingo.

---

Russia is not the eternal enemy.

You and ron are just two very old and very out of touch guys that need to accept that your time has passed and stick to bingo nights and shuffle board.

There is nothing more cringe than old men cheerleading a war they are too decrepit to go fight themselves.

---

You remain one of the dumbest posters on this board. This post is further proof.

Don't you have some Palestinian protest to attend?

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A very mature response from someone so aged... a clear demonstration of your great intellect

sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The best way to know whether Russia is acting in good faith is to act in good faith ourselves and see how they respond. It's our own fault that was never tried.

---

Don't have to go nearly that deep. Just stop at both countries being led by dictators who despise freedom and liberty and will do anything and everything to suppress it.

---

If that were true we would never have been able to conduct successful diplomacy in the past. Obviously we have been, and with regimes far more dictatorial and ideological than the current ones.

---

Different issue. I was addressing their bad faith. Dictators don't act in good faith.

On your point, yes, we've done business with dictators, but virtually always when the alternative was worse. Plus, unlike China and Russia, those dictators were not actively working to undermine us in every region of the world.

---

China and Russia were never more oppressive to their own people or more hostile to our interests around the world than during the latter half of the 20th century. In that time we worked together to partition Germany, resolve the Cuban missile crisis, establish relations with the PRC after the loss of Taiwan (which was also a "dictatorship," by the way), explore space, establish a broad arms control and security framework, and negotiate an end to the Cold War. Reagan's motto, "trust but verify," was eminently successful. The idea that our rivals are incapable of good faith dealings is not borne out by history. It's hard to contemplate what the world would look like today if our leaders then had believed as you do.

---

Good stuff, but none of that was Xi or Putin.

---

No, those were actual, textbook dictatorships with actual hostility to Western freedom and democracy.

---

For sure. And we "do business" with China and Russia as we did then. As you've pointed out, we do business with all kinds of bad characters. That doesn't mean we trust them, that they act in good faith in the bigger picture, or that we align with them on broader issues.

---

Then I'm not sure what your point is. Mao was the biggest mass murderer in human history, but we can't deal with Putin because he kicked out USAID or something? Makes no sense.

---

Russia's invasion of Ukraine was an abomination. I'm glad we've supported Ukraine and hope we continue to do so.

---

Was the USA invading iraq an abomination?

Powerful countries invade others to peruse their own geo-strategic interests.

The real question is do you want to put troops into the war to stop Russia from doing that....

So far if you just want us shipping them weapons then we are just prolonging a war that Ukraine can not win.....10 years on and they have not retaken Donbas or Crimea

---

No it was not. Hussein was an enemy. He broke the agreements. He tried to assassinate GW Bush. We thought he had WMD. In hindsight, it was a bad decision.

Yes, powerful countries sometimes try to take over countries. But that is very rare these days, and we have the right to oppose.

You know my answer. I have never supported US troops in Ukraine.

Ukraine has fought to a stalemate. if we continue to support, Russia may have to fold.

---

Is this what Israel told you?

---

The Assassination Attempt Against George H.W. Bush
BY ALLEN MCDUFFEEJAN. 5, 2021 10:57 AM EST

Cynthia Johnson/Getty Images

American presidents have managed to escape dozens of assassination attempts over the course of American history, but only one known attempt came after leaving the Oval Office. President George H.W. Bush was the target of just one known assassination plot, but it didn't come until three months after the end of his single term.

On April 13, 1993, the day before George H.W. Bush was scheduled to visit Kuwait to honor his victory in the Persian Gulf War against Iraq, Kuwaiti authorities foiled a car-bomb plot to assassinate him. More than a dozen suspects, most of them Iraqi nationals, were arrested. The next day their massive car bomb was discovered in Kuwait City.

An investigation revealed multiple Iraqi plots to assassinate George H.W. Bush

The Kuwaiti Ministry of Defense said the conspirators had three different plans to assassinate George H.W. Bush while he was in Kuwait, according to The Independent. One was to explode remote-control car bombs as he arrived in the country at Kuwait International Airport. A second location for a car bombing was near the theater at Kuwait University, where he was to receive an honorary doctorate. A third option was a suicide attack by strapping explosives to a bomber and detonating the bomb while he was near Bush.

Through suspect interviews and a thorough examination of the mechanics of the bomb, the FBI determined the plot had been directed by the Iraqi Intelligence Service, and a Kuwaiti court later convicted all but one of the defendants.

The official U.S. response came from newly elected President Bill Clinton. Citing "compelling evidence" of the direct involvement of Iraqi intelligence in the assassination attempt, Clinton ordered a retaliatory attack against their headquarters in Baghdad on June 26, 1993. Twenty-three Tomahawk missiles were fired off the USS Peterson in the Red Sea and the USS Chancellorsville in the Persian Gulf. The shelling destroyed the building and killed several civilians, according to Iraqi accounts cited by GlobalSecurity.org.

"It was an elaborate plan devised by the Iraqi government and directed against a former president of the United States because of actions he took as president," Clinton said in a televised address, according to The Washington Post. "As such, the Iraqi attack against President Bush was an attack against our country and against all Americans."

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You said GW Bush.

The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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ron.reagan said:

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We are their eternal enemy. You have to have an extreme level of gullibility to think otherwise. They choose self harm and conflict with us instead of prosperity

---

Bingo.

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Russia is not the eternal enemy.

You and ron are just two very old and very out of touch guys that need to accept that your time has passed and stick to bingo nights and shuffle board.

There is nothing more cringe than old men cheerleading a war they are too decrepit to go fight themselves.

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"We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow.
Lord Palmerston

we are Russia tend to be at odds on many things, because our interests are at odds on many things. That is not going to change in our lifetimes.

The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The best way to know whether Russia is acting in good faith is to act in good faith ourselves and see how they respond. It's our own fault that was never tried.

---

Don't have to go nearly that deep. Just stop at both countries being led by dictators who despise freedom and liberty and will do anything and everything to suppress it.

---

If that were true we would never have been able to conduct successful diplomacy in the past. Obviously we have been, and with regimes far more dictatorial and ideological than the current ones.

---

Different issue. I was addressing their bad faith. Dictators don't act in good faith.

On your point, yes, we've done business with dictators, but virtually always when the alternative was worse. Plus, unlike China and Russia, those dictators were not actively working to undermine us in every region of the world.

---

China and Russia were never more oppressive to their own people or more hostile to our interests around the world than during the latter half of the 20th century. In that time we worked together to partition Germany, resolve the Cuban missile crisis, establish relations with the PRC after the loss of Taiwan (which was also a "dictatorship," by the way), explore space, establish a broad arms control and security framework, and negotiate an end to the Cold War. Reagan's motto, "trust but verify," was eminently successful. The idea that our rivals are incapable of good faith dealings is not borne out by history. It's hard to contemplate what the world would look like today if our leaders then had believed as you do.

---

Good stuff, but none of that was Xi or Putin.

---

No, those were actual, textbook dictatorships with actual hostility to Western freedom and democracy.

---

For sure. And we "do business" with China and Russia as we did then. As you've pointed out, we do business with all kinds of bad characters. That doesn't mean we trust them, that they act in good faith in the bigger picture, or that we align with them on broader issues.

---

Then I'm not sure what your point is. Mao was the biggest mass murderer in human history, but we can't deal with Putin because he kicked out USAID or something? Makes no sense.

---

Russia's invasion of Ukraine was an abomination. I'm glad we've supported Ukraine and hope we continue to do so.

---

Was the USA invading iraq an abomination?

Powerful countries invade others to peruse their own geo-strategic interests.

The real question is do you want to put troops into the war to stop Russia from doing that....

So far if you just want us shipping them weapons then we are just prolonging a war that Ukraine can not win.....10 years on and they have not retaken Donbas or Crimea

---

No it was not. Hussein was an enemy. He broke the agreements. He tried to assassinate GW Bush. We thought he had WMD. In hindsight, it was a bad decision.

Yes, powerful countries sometimes try to take over countries. But that is very rare these days, and we have the right to oppose.

You know my answer. I have never supported US troops in Ukraine.

Ukraine has fought to a stalemate. if we continue to support, Russia may have to fold.

---

Is this what Israel told you?

---

The Assassination Attempt Against George H.W. Bush
BY ALLEN MCDUFFEEJAN. 5, 2021 10:57 AM EST

Cynthia Johnson/Getty Images

American presidents have managed to escape dozens of assassination attempts over the course of American history, but only one known attempt came after leaving the Oval Office. President George H.W. Bush was the target of just one known assassination plot, but it didn't come until three months after the end of his single term.

On April 13, 1993, the day before George H.W. Bush was scheduled to visit Kuwait to honor his victory in the Persian Gulf War against Iraq, Kuwaiti authorities foiled a car-bomb plot to assassinate him. More than a dozen suspects, most of them Iraqi nationals, were arrested. The next day their massive car bomb was discovered in Kuwait City.

An investigation revealed multiple Iraqi plots to assassinate George H.W. Bush

The Kuwaiti Ministry of Defense said the conspirators had three different plans to assassinate George H.W. Bush while he was in Kuwait, according to The Independent. One was to explode remote-control car bombs as he arrived in the country at Kuwait International Airport. A second location for a car bombing was near the theater at Kuwait University, where he was to receive an honorary doctorate. A third option was a suicide attack by strapping explosives to a bomber and detonating the bomb while he was near Bush.

Through suspect interviews and a thorough examination of the mechanics of the bomb, the FBI determined the plot had been directed by the Iraqi Intelligence Service, and a Kuwaiti court later convicted all but one of the defendants.

The official U.S. response came from newly elected President Bill Clinton. Citing "compelling evidence" of the direct involvement of Iraqi intelligence in the assassination attempt, Clinton ordered a retaliatory attack against their headquarters in Baghdad on June 26, 1993. Twenty-three Tomahawk missiles were fired off the USS Peterson in the Red Sea and the USS Chancellorsville in the Persian Gulf. The shelling destroyed the building and killed several civilians, according to Iraqi accounts cited by GlobalSecurity.org.

"It was an elaborate plan devised by the Iraqi government and directed against a former president of the United States because of actions he took as president," Clinton said in a televised address, according to The Washington Post. "As such, the Iraqi attack against President Bush was an attack against our country and against all Americans."

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You said GW Bush.

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Typo, my mistake, meant Sr., HW.

The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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ron.reagan said:

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We are their eternal enemy. You have to have an extreme level of gullibility to think otherwise. They choose self harm and conflict with us instead of prosperity

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Bingo.

---

Russia is not the eternal enemy.

You and ron are just two very old and very out of touch guys that need to accept that your time has passed and stick to bingo nights and shuffle board.

There is nothing more cringe than old men cheerleading a war they are too decrepit to go fight themselves.

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You remain one of the dumbest posters on this board. This post is further proof.

Don't you have some Palestinian protest to attend?

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A very mature response from someone so aged... a clear demonstration of your great intellect

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No less mature than the bull**** post I responded to, Jew hater.

Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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ron.reagan said:

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We are their eternal enemy. You have to have an extreme level of gullibility to think otherwise. They choose self harm and conflict with us instead of prosperity

---

Bingo.

---

Russia is not the eternal enemy.

You and ron are just two very old and very out of touch guys that need to accept that your time has passed and stick to bingo nights and shuffle board.

There is nothing more cringe than old men cheerleading a war they are too decrepit to go fight themselves.

---

You remain one of the dumbest posters on this board. This post is further proof.

Don't you have some Palestinian protest to attend?

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A very mature response from someone so aged... a clear demonstration of your great intellect

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No less mature than the bull**** post I responded to, Jew hater.

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Sir, you have a child's mind trapped inside a geriatric body.

The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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ron.reagan said:

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We are their eternal enemy. You have to have an extreme level of gullibility to think otherwise. They choose self harm and conflict with us instead of prosperity

---

Bingo.

---

Russia is not the eternal enemy.

You and ron are just two very old and very out of touch guys that need to accept that your time has passed and stick to bingo nights and shuffle board.

There is nothing more cringe than old men cheerleading a war they are too decrepit to go fight themselves.

---

You remain one of the dumbest posters on this board. This post is further proof.

Don't you have some Palestinian protest to attend?

---

A very mature response from someone so aged... a clear demonstration of your great intellect

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No less mature than the bull**** post I responded to, Jew hater.

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Sir, you have a child's mind trapped inside a geriatric body.

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When you aren't morbidly obese you can win Superbowls in a geriatric body

The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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ron.reagan said:

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We are their eternal enemy. You have to have an extreme level of gullibility to think otherwise. They choose self harm and conflict with us instead of prosperity

---

Bingo.

---

Russia is not the eternal enemy.

You and ron are just two very old and very out of touch guys that need to accept that your time has passed and stick to bingo nights and shuffle board.

There is nothing more cringe than old men cheerleading a war they are too decrepit to go fight themselves.

---

You remain one of the dumbest posters on this board. This post is further proof.

Don't you have some Palestinian protest to attend?

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A very mature response from someone so aged... a clear demonstration of your great intellect

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No less mature than the bull**** post I responded to, Jew hater.

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Sir, you have a child's mind trapped inside a geriatric body.

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And yet it remains child's play to destroy your stupid and ridiculous logic.

ron.reagan said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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ron.reagan said:

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We are their eternal enemy. You have to have an extreme level of gullibility to think otherwise. They choose self harm and conflict with us instead of prosperity

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Bingo.

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Russia is not the eternal enemy.

You and ron are just two very old and very out of touch guys that need to accept that your time has passed and stick to bingo nights and shuffle board.

There is nothing more cringe than old men cheerleading a war they are too decrepit to go fight themselves.

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You remain one of the dumbest posters on this board. This post is further proof.

Don't you have some Palestinian protest to attend?

---

A very mature response from someone so aged... a clear demonstration of your great intellect

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No less mature than the bull**** post I responded to, Jew hater.

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Sir, you have a child's mind trapped inside a geriatric body.

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When you aren't morbidly obese you can win Superbowls in a geriatric body

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Damn! I didnt know we had a Superbowl Champion among us! Ukraine could really use a Billy Badass such as yourself. I think it would be really inspiring to see a geriatric peak physical specimen such as yourself on the front lines instead of encouraging other people to go fight endless wars.

https://ildu.com.ua/

The_barBEARian said:

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ron.reagan said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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ron.reagan said:

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We are their eternal enemy. You have to have an extreme level of gullibility to think otherwise. They choose self harm and conflict with us instead of prosperity

---

Bingo.

---

Russia is not the eternal enemy.

You and ron are just two very old and very out of touch guys that need to accept that your time has passed and stick to bingo nights and shuffle board.

There is nothing more cringe than old men cheerleading a war they are too decrepit to go fight themselves.

---

You remain one of the dumbest posters on this board. This post is further proof.

Don't you have some Palestinian protest to attend?

---

A very mature response from someone so aged... a clear demonstration of your great intellect

---

No less mature than the bull**** post I responded to, Jew hater.

---

Sir, you have a child's mind trapped inside a geriatric body.

---

When you aren't morbidly obese you can win Superbowls in a geriatric body

---

Damn! I didnt know we had a Superbowl Champion among us! Ukraine could really use a Billy Badass such as yourself. I think it would be really inspiring to see a geriatric peak physical specimen such as yourself on the front lines instead of encouraging other people to go fight endless wars.

https://ildu.com.ua/

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I wonder if the thought of war or exercise terrifies you more.

historian said:

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"The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.' They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds; there is none who does good."
Psalm 14:1

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Primitive Iron Age writing to promote delusion.

historian said:

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TexasScientist said:

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historian said:

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For several months now, I have been studying Revelation with BSF. It's quite fascinating & illuminating. So many recent events seem to reflect on the prophecies in John's visions. However, they are subject to a variety of interpretations and we really don't know what all of it means.

The really scary part is that when that comes, there will be many people who will watch those events unfold, even participating in them. But they won't see what should be obvious, prophecy being fulfilled, because their hearts are hardened (& doubtless, much pride). The sad result is they will refuse to repent and turn away from their sins. Instead, they will take the mark of the Beast and spend eternity in hell.

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The same Revelation, that barely made the cut to be included in the biblical list, written by an unknown author attributing the work to someone named John? The same Revelation that Eastern Orthodox Christians do not recognize? The same Revelation that ties the loving god of the NT back to the vengeful wrathful god of the OT? The same Revelation that every century gets reinterpreted, because its first century predictions never come to pass? The same Revelation that is at odds with even Jesus' apocalyptic teachings? It's not even good science fiction.

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You really should not discourse on a topic over which you are so ignorant. Almost every statement here about the Bible is false: the authorship, the nature of God, the seeming contradictions in Scripture, etc. There are no contradictions. Anyone who seriously studies the Bible knows that there is an intrinsic unity throughout from the first chapter of Genesis to the final verses of Revelation and everywhere in between.

Jesus did not contradict the book of Revelation, He even spoke repeatedly in that book. God is both loving and just in both the Old and New Testaments. The Bible is a book about faith. Those who have none cannot understand it and that is very sad.

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Go argue that point with the Baylor Religion Department and see where you end up. The Bible is a collection of transformed writings, with a theological viewpoint to the exclusion of others. It is replete with contradictions, and questionable sources and authorship.

ron.reagan said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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ron.reagan said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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ron.reagan said:

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We are their eternal enemy. You have to have an extreme level of gullibility to think otherwise. They choose self harm and conflict with us instead of prosperity

---

Bingo.

---

Russia is not the eternal enemy.

You and ron are just two very old and very out of touch guys that need to accept that your time has passed and stick to bingo nights and shuffle board.

There is nothing more cringe than old men cheerleading a war they are too decrepit to go fight themselves.

---

You remain one of the dumbest posters on this board. This post is further proof.

Don't you have some Palestinian protest to attend?

---

A very mature response from someone so aged... a clear demonstration of your great intellect

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No less mature than the bull**** post I responded to, Jew hater.

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Sir, you have a child's mind trapped inside a geriatric body.

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When you aren't morbidly obese you can win Superbowls in a geriatric body

---

Damn! I didnt know we had a Superbowl Champion among us! Ukraine could really use a Billy Badass such as yourself. I think it would be really inspiring to see a geriatric peak physical specimen such as yourself on the front lines instead of encouraging other people to go fight endless wars.

https://ildu.com.ua/

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I wonder if the thought of war or exercise terrifies you more.

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I dont think about war, sir. I am not an old, insane, psychopath like yourself.

I exercise 5 days a week and I am not morbidly obese, sir.

I hope you dont have kids bcs it would be real embarrassment to have a elderly father who acts like an elementary school bully online. Then again trash like you is incapable of shame.

ron.reagan said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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ron.reagan said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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ron.reagan said:

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We are their eternal enemy. You have to have an extreme level of gullibility to think otherwise. They choose self harm and conflict with us instead of prosperity

---

Bingo.

---

Russia is not the eternal enemy.

You and ron are just two very old and very out of touch guys that need to accept that your time has passed and stick to bingo nights and shuffle board.

There is nothing more cringe than old men cheerleading a war they are too decrepit to go fight themselves.

---

You remain one of the dumbest posters on this board. This post is further proof.

Don't you have some Palestinian protest to attend?

---

A very mature response from someone so aged... a clear demonstration of your great intellect

---

No less mature than the bull**** post I responded to, Jew hater.

---

Sir, you have a child's mind trapped inside a geriatric body.

---

When you aren't morbidly obese you can win Superbowls in a geriatric body

---

Damn! I didnt know we had a Superbowl Champion among us! Ukraine could really use a Billy Badass such as yourself. I think it would be really inspiring to see a geriatric peak physical specimen such as yourself on the front lines instead of encouraging other people to go fight endless wars.

https://ildu.com.ua/

---

I wonder if the thought of war or exercise terrifies you more.

---

Speaking of war

Have you volunteered yet to go fight the big bad Russian menace?

Have any of the other Warhawk's on this thread volunteered to go to the trenches of eastern Ukraine?

TexasScientist said:

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historian said:

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"The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.' They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds; there is none who does good."
Psalm 14:1

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Primitive Iron Age writing to promote delusion.

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So says the fool, apparently.

TexasScientist said:

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historian said:

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TexasScientist said:

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historian said:

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For several months now, I have been studying Revelation with BSF. It's quite fascinating & illuminating. So many recent events seem to reflect on the prophecies in John's visions. However, they are subject to a variety of interpretations and we really don't know what all of it means.

The really scary part is that when that comes, there will be many people who will watch those events unfold, even participating in them. But they won't see what should be obvious, prophecy being fulfilled, because their hearts are hardened (& doubtless, much pride). The sad result is they will refuse to repent and turn away from their sins. Instead, they will take the mark of the Beast and spend eternity in hell.

---

The same Revelation, that barely made the cut to be included in the biblical list, written by an unknown author attributing the work to someone named John? The same Revelation that Eastern Orthodox Christians do not recognize? The same Revelation that ties the loving god of the NT back to the vengeful wrathful god of the OT? The same Revelation that every century gets reinterpreted, because its first century predictions never come to pass? The same Revelation that is at odds with even Jesus' apocalyptic teachings? It's not even good science fiction.

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You really should not discourse on a topic over which you are so ignorant. Almost every statement here about the Bible is false: the authorship, the nature of God, the seeming contradictions in Scripture, etc. There are no contradictions. Anyone who seriously studies the Bible knows that there is an intrinsic unity throughout from the first chapter of Genesis to the final verses of Revelation and everywhere in between.

Jesus did not contradict the book of Revelation, He even spoke repeatedly in that book. God is both loving and just in both the Old and New Testaments. The Bible is a book about faith. Those who have none cannot understand it and that is very sad.

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Go argue that point with the Baylor Religion Department and see where you end up. The Bible is a collection of transformed writings, with a theological viewpoint to the exclusion of others. It is replete with contradictions, and questionable sources and authorship.

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Actually, the opposite is true. The Bible is amazing in its unity and continuity, more so than any other text ever written. The fact that it was written by dozens of people from all walks of life, over a period of centuries, and in multiple languages while still maintaining that unity is one of many proofs of its integrity.

Keep displaying your ignorance. The Bible contains zero contradictions. Any appearance of them are based on taking scripture out of context and misinterpretation. All too often the meaning is quite clear except to those with a closed mind or otherwise hostile to God.

Has to be one of the most alcoholic nations on earth

Russia didn't consider beer an alcoholic drink until 2011. Anything containing less than 10% alcohol was previously considered a “soft drink.” pic.twitter.com/T2vJKSYFrl

— Historic Vids (@historyinmemes) May 5, 2025

Redbrickbear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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ron.reagan said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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ron.reagan said:

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We are their eternal enemy. You have to have an extreme level of gullibility to think otherwise. They choose self harm and conflict with us instead of prosperity

---

Bingo.

---

Russia is not the eternal enemy.

You and ron are just two very old and very out of touch guys that need to accept that your time has passed and stick to bingo nights and shuffle board.

There is nothing more cringe than old men cheerleading a war they are too decrepit to go fight themselves.

---

You remain one of the dumbest posters on this board. This post is further proof.

Don't you have some Palestinian protest to attend?

---

A very mature response from someone so aged... a clear demonstration of your great intellect

---

No less mature than the bull**** post I responded to, Jew hater.

---

Sir, you have a child's mind trapped inside a geriatric body.

---

When you aren't morbidly obese you can win Superbowls in a geriatric body

---

Damn! I didnt know we had a Superbowl Champion among us! Ukraine could really use a Billy Badass such as yourself. I think it would be really inspiring to see a geriatric peak physical specimen such as yourself on the front lines instead of encouraging other people to go fight endless wars.

https://ildu.com.ua/

---

I wonder if the thought of war or exercise terrifies you more.

---

Speaking of war

Have you volunteered yet to go fight the big bad Russian menace?

Have any of the other Warhawk's on this thread volunteered to go to the trenches of eastern Ukraine?

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it's not necessary. Ukrainians are willing to fight for their own country.

In no small part I want to stop Russia in Ukraine to minimize the chances that my children will have to do it later, elsewhere. Daughter (now a Lt. Col.) is doing her second tour in Nato mission (as commander of QRF airlift) and appears set for a third....career turning into something of a Europe specialist. If/when there is conflict with Russia, she will be in it.

When a rival power tries to move armies 600mi closer to you, doing absolutely nothing about it is an exceedingly unwise decision.....actually emboldens your rival with notions that you are lacking in power and/or will. That was clearly a factor in Russia's decision to invade Ukraine. Moscow saw an alliance led by a major power which had a senescent head of state supported by an array of weaker powers unprepared and unmotivated to meet new challenges = loss of deterrence.

The_barBEARian said:

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ron.reagan said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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ron.reagan said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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ron.reagan said:

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We are their eternal enemy. You have to have an extreme level of gullibility to think otherwise. They choose self harm and conflict with us instead of prosperity

---

Bingo.

---

Russia is not the eternal enemy.

You and ron are just two very old and very out of touch guys that need to accept that your time has passed and stick to bingo nights and shuffle board.

There is nothing more cringe than old men cheerleading a war they are too decrepit to go fight themselves.

---

You remain one of the dumbest posters on this board. This post is further proof.

Don't you have some Palestinian protest to attend?

---

A very mature response from someone so aged... a clear demonstration of your great intellect

---

No less mature than the bull**** post I responded to, Jew hater.

---

Sir, you have a child's mind trapped inside a geriatric body.

---

When you aren't morbidly obese you can win Superbowls in a geriatric body

---

Damn! I didnt know we had a Superbowl Champion among us! Ukraine could really use a Billy Badass such as yourself. I think it would be really inspiring to see a geriatric peak physical specimen such as yourself on the front lines instead of encouraging other people to go fight endless wars.

https://ildu.com.ua/

---

I wonder if the thought of war or exercise terrifies you more.

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I dont think about war, sir. I am not an old, insane, psychopath like yourself.

I exercise 5 days a week and I am not morbidly obese, sir.

I hope you dont have kids bcs it would be real embarrassment to have a elderly father who acts like an elementary school bully online. Then again trash like you is incapable of shame.

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This is obvious

Redbrickbear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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ron.reagan said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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ron.reagan said:

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We are their eternal enemy. You have to have an extreme level of gullibility to think otherwise. They choose self harm and conflict with us instead of prosperity

---

Bingo.

---

Russia is not the eternal enemy.

You and ron are just two very old and very out of touch guys that need to accept that your time has passed and stick to bingo nights and shuffle board.

There is nothing more cringe than old men cheerleading a war they are too decrepit to go fight themselves.

---

You remain one of the dumbest posters on this board. This post is further proof.

Don't you have some Palestinian protest to attend?

---

A very mature response from someone so aged... a clear demonstration of your great intellect

---

No less mature than the bull**** post I responded to, Jew hater.

---

Sir, you have a child's mind trapped inside a geriatric body.

---

When you aren't morbidly obese you can win Superbowls in a geriatric body

---

Damn! I didnt know we had a Superbowl Champion among us! Ukraine could really use a Billy Badass such as yourself. I think it would be really inspiring to see a geriatric peak physical specimen such as yourself on the front lines instead of encouraging other people to go fight endless wars.

https://ildu.com.ua/

---

I wonder if the thought of war or exercise terrifies you more.

---

Speaking of war

Have you volunteered yet to go fight the big bad Russian menace?

Have any of the other Warhawk's on this thread volunteered to go to the trenches of eastern Ukraine?

---

Are you risking your life defending the border?

Tracking down illegals?

Moving to tents outside abortion clinics?

Helping Bukele in El Salvador?

You make a number of good arguments. This one is plain silly.

And BTW, since when is helping a free country (through money and weapons) defend itself against a murderous aggressor being a "Warhawk?"

sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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ron.reagan said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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ron.reagan said:

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We are their eternal enemy. You have to have an extreme level of gullibility to think otherwise. They choose self harm and conflict with us instead of prosperity

---

Bingo.

---

Russia is not the eternal enemy.

You and ron are just two very old and very out of touch guys that need to accept that your time has passed and stick to bingo nights and shuffle board.

There is nothing more cringe than old men cheerleading a war they are too decrepit to go fight themselves.

---

You remain one of the dumbest posters on this board. This post is further proof.

Don't you have some Palestinian protest to attend?

---

A very mature response from someone so aged... a clear demonstration of your great intellect

---

No less mature than the bull**** post I responded to, Jew hater.

---

Sir, you have a child's mind trapped inside a geriatric body.

---

When you aren't morbidly obese you can win Superbowls in a geriatric body

---

Damn! I didnt know we had a Superbowl Champion among us! Ukraine could really use a Billy Badass such as yourself. I think it would be really inspiring to see a geriatric peak physical specimen such as yourself on the front lines instead of encouraging other people to go fight endless wars.

https://ildu.com.ua/

---

I wonder if the thought of war or exercise terrifies you more.

---

Speaking of war

Have you volunteered yet to go fight the big bad Russian menace?

Have any of the other Warhawk's on this thread volunteered to go to the trenches of eastern Ukraine?

---

Are you risking your life defending the border?

Tracking down illegals?

Moving to tents outside abortion clinics?

Helping Bukele in El Salvador?

You make a number of good arguments. This one is plain silly.

And BTW, since when is helping a free country (through money and weapons) defend itself against a murderous aggressor being a "Warhawk?"

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I get your point but its a fundamentally different thing

1. Illegals and other law enforcement issues in America are our business....in fact its a Constitutional duty of our elected leaders to enforce those laws. And we support them with our votes and tax dollars. And I would report any illegal actively I saw....and if the local elected authorities wanted to deputize more citizens and asked for help I would certainly volunteer without hesitation to help enforce the local legal laws.

Abortion is a State by State issue per our Constitution.....and falls under the same umbrella. I personally have joined several pro-life demonstrations for what its worth to make by voice heard on the issue. That is all we are allowed to do by the law....peaceful protest and vote on the issue.

2. I may sympathize with Bukele's anti-narco terrorism campaign in El Salvador but I don't in fact think the USA should send him billions or encourage him (or hinder him) in anyway.

Its a purely internal matter for the Government and Citizens of El Salvador.

I would never go there to fight or help the narco-terrorists

3. A proxy war in far off eastern Europe is another matter

People are advocating that we send billions of dollars in tax payer money to a non-NATO ally. And the we sustain them in a war long term that does not directly involve us. A war that if we did get involved directly with could go nuclear

Not to mention Bukele in El Salvador is not asking for volunteers to come fight the narco-terrorists.....Zelensky is asking for volunteers to come fight the Russians.

So for those who feel that war with Russia should be on the table.....Its not a strange question to ask if they will go fight

Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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ron.reagan said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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ron.reagan said:

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We are their eternal enemy. You have to have an extreme level of gullibility to think otherwise. They choose self harm and conflict with us instead of prosperity

---

Bingo.

---

Russia is not the eternal enemy.

You and ron are just two very old and very out of touch guys that need to accept that your time has passed and stick to bingo nights and shuffle board.

There is nothing more cringe than old men cheerleading a war they are too decrepit to go fight themselves.

---

You remain one of the dumbest posters on this board. This post is further proof.

Don't you have some Palestinian protest to attend?

---

A very mature response from someone so aged... a clear demonstration of your great intellect

---

No less mature than the bull**** post I responded to, Jew hater.

---

Sir, you have a child's mind trapped inside a geriatric body.

---

When you aren't morbidly obese you can win Superbowls in a geriatric body

---

Damn! I didnt know we had a Superbowl Champion among us! Ukraine could really use a Billy Badass such as yourself. I think it would be really inspiring to see a geriatric peak physical specimen such as yourself on the front lines instead of encouraging other people to go fight endless wars.

https://ildu.com.ua/

---

I wonder if the thought of war or exercise terrifies you more.

---

Speaking of war

Have you volunteered yet to go fight the big bad Russian menace?

Have any of the other Warhawk's on this thread volunteered to go to the trenches of eastern Ukraine?

---

Are you risking your life defending the border?

Tracking down illegals?

Moving to tents outside abortion clinics?

Helping Bukele in El Salvador?

You make a number of good arguments. This one is plain silly.

And BTW, since when is helping a free country (through money and weapons) defend itself against a murderous aggressor being a "Warhawk?"

---

I get your point but its a fundamentally different thing

1. Illegals and other law enforcement issues in America are our business....in fact its a Constitutional duty of our elected leaders to enforce those laws. And we support them with our votes and tax dollars. And I would report any illegal actively I saw....and if the local elected authorities wanted to deputize more citizens and asked for help I would certainly volunteer without hesitation to help enforce the local legal laws.

Abortion is a State by State issue per our Constitution.....and falls under the same umbrella. I personally have joined several pro-life demonstrations for what its worth to make by voice heard on the issue. That is all we are allowed to do by the law....peaceful protest and vote on the issue.

2. I may sympathize with Bukele's anti-narco terrorism campaign in El Salvador but I don't in fact think the USA should send him billions or encourage him (or hinder him) in anyway.

Its a purely internal matter for the Government and Citizens of El Salvador.

I would never go there to fight or help the narco-terrorists

3. A proxy war in far off eastern Europe is another matter

People are advocating that we send billions of dollars in tax payer money to a non-NATO ally. And the we sustain them in a war long term that does not directly involve us. A war that if we did get involved directly with could go nuclear

Not to mention Bukele in El Salvador is not asking for volunteers to come fight the narco-terrorists.....Zelensky is asking for volunteers to come fight the Russians.

So for those who feel that war with Russia should be on the table.....Its not a strange question to ask if they will go fight

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But it's not different. It's a basic policy position juts like the others. The same argument applies.

I'm not advocating we send troops. I've been consistent and saying the opposite.

sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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ron.reagan said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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ron.reagan said:

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We are their eternal enemy. You have to have an extreme level of gullibility to think otherwise. They choose self harm and conflict with us instead of prosperity

---

Bingo.

---

Russia is not the eternal enemy.

You and ron are just two very old and very out of touch guys that need to accept that your time has passed and stick to bingo nights and shuffle board.

There is nothing more cringe than old men cheerleading a war they are too decrepit to go fight themselves.

---

You remain one of the dumbest posters on this board. This post is further proof.

Don't you have some Palestinian protest to attend?

---

A very mature response from someone so aged... a clear demonstration of your great intellect

---

No less mature than the bull**** post I responded to, Jew hater.

---

Sir, you have a child's mind trapped inside a geriatric body.

---

When you aren't morbidly obese you can win Superbowls in a geriatric body

---

Damn! I didnt know we had a Superbowl Champion among us! Ukraine could really use a Billy Badass such as yourself. I think it would be really inspiring to see a geriatric peak physical specimen such as yourself on the front lines instead of encouraging other people to go fight endless wars.

https://ildu.com.ua/

---

I wonder if the thought of war or exercise terrifies you more.

---

Speaking of war

Have you volunteered yet to go fight the big bad Russian menace?

Have any of the other Warhawk's on this thread volunteered to go to the trenches of eastern Ukraine?

---

Are you risking your life defending the border?

Tracking down illegals?

Moving to tents outside abortion clinics?

Helping Bukele in El Salvador?

You make a number of good arguments. This one is plain silly.

And BTW, since when is helping a free country (through money and weapons) defend itself against a murderous aggressor being a "Warhawk?"

---

I get your point but its a fundamentally different thing

1. Illegals and other law enforcement issues in America are our business....in fact its a Constitutional duty of our elected leaders to enforce those laws. And we support them with our votes and tax dollars. And I would report any illegal actively I saw....and if the local elected authorities wanted to deputize more citizens and asked for help I would certainly volunteer without hesitation to help enforce the local legal laws.

Abortion is a State by State issue per our Constitution.....and falls under the same umbrella. I personally have joined several pro-life demonstrations for what its worth to make by voice heard on the issue. That is all we are allowed to do by the law....peaceful protest and vote on the issue.

2. I may sympathize with Bukele's anti-narco terrorism campaign in El Salvador but I don't in fact think the USA should send him billions or encourage him (or hinder him) in anyway.

Its a purely internal matter for the Government and Citizens of El Salvador.

I would never go there to fight or help the narco-terrorists

3. A proxy war in far off eastern Europe is another matter

People are advocating that we send billions of dollars in tax payer money to a non-NATO ally. And the we sustain them in a war long term that does not directly involve us. A war that if we did get involved directly with could go nuclear

Not to mention Bukele in El Salvador is not asking for volunteers to come fight the narco-terrorists.....Zelensky is asking for volunteers to come fight the Russians.

So for those who feel that war with Russia should be on the table.....Its not a strange question to ask if they will go fight

---

But it's not different. It's a basic policy position juts like the others. The same argument applies.

I'm not advocating we send troops. I've been consistent and saying the opposite.

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Issues of war...especially wars overseas...rise to a whole different level than questions of the lawful enforcement of our laws at home. (who can be here, what actions are legal...aka abortion)

Sending hundreds of billions to a foreign nation fighting another foreign nation is not a part of our Constitutional system.

Heck our Founding Fathers specially warned against such things.....

[The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is, in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe has a set of primary interests, which to us have none, or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence therefore it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves, by artificial ties, in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities. Our detached and distant situation invites and enables us to pursue a different course....when we may take such an attitude as will cause the neutrality we may at any time resolve upon to be scrupulously respected; when belligerent nations, under the impossibility of making acquisitions upon us, will not lightly hazard the giving us provocation; when we may choose peace or war, as our interest, guided by justice, shall counsel. Why forgo the advantages of so peculiar a situation? Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor, or caprice? It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world- so far, I mean, as we are now at liberty to do it- for let me not be understood as capable of patronizing infidelity to existing engagements (I hold the maxim no less applicable to public than to private affairs, that honesty is always the best policy)I repeat it therefore, let those engagements be observed in their genuine sense. But in my opinion it is unnecessary and would be unwise to extend them. Taking care always to keep ourselves, by suitable establishments, on a respectably defensive posture, we may safely trust to temporary alliances for extraordinary emergencies. Harmony, liberal intercourse with all nations, are recommended by policy, humanity, and interest. But even our commercial policy should hold an equal and impartial hand: neither seeking nor granting exclusive favors or preferences; consulting the natural course of things; diffusing and diversifying by gentle means the streams of commerce but forcing nothing; establishing with powers so disposed in order to give to trade a stable course, to define the rights of our merchants, and to enable the government to support them conventional rules of intercourse, the best that present circumstances and mutual opinion will permit, but temporary, and liable to be from time to time abandoned or varied, as experience and circumstances shall dictate; constantly keeping in view, that it is folly in one nation to look for disinterested favors from another that it must pay with a portion of its independence for whatever it may accept under that character that by such acceptance it may place itself in the condition of having given equivalents for nominal favors and yet of being reproached with ingratitude for not giving more. There can be no greater error than to expect or calculate upon real favors from nation to nation. It is an illusion which experience must cure, which a just pride ought to discard.] WASHINGTON'S FAREWELL ADDRESS



[America, in the assembly of nations, since her admission among them, has invariably, though often fruitlessly, held forth to them the hand of honest friendship, of equal freedom, of generous reciprocity. She has uniformly spoken among them, though often to heedless and often to disdainful ears, the language of equal liberty, of equal justice, and of equal rights. She has, in the lapse of nearly half a century, without a single exception, respected the independence of other nations while asserting and maintaining her own.

She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when conflict has been for principles to which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart. She has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of that Aceldama the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right. Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be.

But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example. She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force.... She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit] -President John Quincy Adams


Only adds the hypocrisy that those who want us involved....won't go themselves to the fight

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For several months now, I have been studying Revelation with BSF. It's quite fascinating & illuminating. So many recent events seem to reflect on the prophecies in John's visions. However, they are subject to a variety of interpretations and we really don't know what all of it means.

The really scary part is that when that comes, there will be many people who will watch those events unfold, even participating in them. But they won't see what should be obvious, prophecy being fulfilled, because their hearts are hardened (& doubtless, much pride). The sad result is they will refuse to repent and turn away from their sins. Instead, they will take the mark of the Beast and spend eternity in hell.

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The same Revelation, that barely made the cut to be included in the biblical list, written by an unknown author attributing the work to someone named John? The same Revelation that Eastern Orthodox Christians do not recognize? The same Revelation that ties the loving god of the NT back to the vengeful wrathful god of the OT? The same Revelation that every century gets reinterpreted, because its first century predictions never come to pass? The same Revelation that is at odds with even Jesus' apocalyptic teachings? It's not even good science fiction.

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You really should not discourse on a topic over which you are so ignorant. Almost every statement here about the Bible is false: the authorship, the nature of God, the seeming contradictions in Scripture, etc. There are no contradictions. Anyone who seriously studies the Bible knows that there is an intrinsic unity throughout from the first chapter of Genesis to the final verses of Revelation and everywhere in between.

Jesus did not contradict the book of Revelation, He even spoke repeatedly in that book. God is both loving and just in both the Old and New Testaments. The Bible is a book about faith. Those who have none cannot understand it and that is very sad.

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Go argue that point with the Baylor Religion Department and see where you end up. The Bible is a collection of transformed writings, with a theological viewpoint to the exclusion of others. It is replete with contradictions, and questionable sources and authorship.

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Actually, the opposite is true. The Bible is amazing in its unity and continuity, more so than any other text ever written. The fact that it was written by dozens of people from all walks of life, over a period of centuries, and in multiple languages while still maintaining that unity is one of many proofs of its integrity.

Keep displaying your ignorance. The Bible contains zero contradictions. Any appearance of them are based on taking scripture out of context and misinterpretation. All too often the meaning is quite clear except to those with a closed mind or otherwise hostile to God.

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You're clearly wrong about that, and at odds with biblical scholarship around the globe. Fundamentalist assertions of inerrancy simply don't hold up to critical examination. You should know the Bible is a compilation of separate writings and translations, modified and puzzled together from various periods of time, and composed from oral legend and lore, each written to certain audiences with a theological message the author wants to convey. The writings are clearly influenced by and reflect the primitive culture and primitive understandings of the time they were written. You might want to consider your close mindedness to objective evidence.

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"The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.' They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds; there is none who does good."
Psalm 14:1

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Primitive Iron Age writing to promote delusion.

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So says the fool, apparently.

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Fool? Belief based upon primitive cultural beliefs, or belief based upon the evidence of reality?

You are clearly wrong. Yes, there are lots of biblical "scholars" looking for reasons to criticize scripture, water down the text, & deny the truths of God. They provide a fake intellectual veneer to their lies but their scholarship is worthless. Biblical inerrancy is a fact but some people cannot deal with that.

It is reverting back to foolishness to continue to deny these truths. As already stated, despite the diverse authorship over a long period of time, the Bible has amazing continuity from the beginning of Genesis to the end of Revelation. That is a proof of its divine authority.

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You are clearly wrong. Yes, there are lots of biblical "scholars" looking for reasons to criticize scripture, water down the text, & deny the truths of God. They provide a fake intellectual veneer to their lies but their scholarship is worthless. Biblical inerrancy is a fact but some people cannot deal with that.

It is reverting back to foolishness to continue to deny these truths. As already stated, despite the diverse authorship over a long period of time, the Bible has amazing continuity from the beginning of Genesis to the end of Revelation. That is a proof of its divine authority.

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A lot easier explanation is that you are a moron

The Bible is no more "primitive" than any other ancient test. However, it is far more reliable than any of them: Plato, Aristotle, Thucydides, Virgil, Cicero, etc. The Bible deals with fundamental truths better than any other source.

Enough with the arrogant condescension.