AG Ken Paxton on glide path to impeachment

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By all means Warren Kenneth Paxton is my enemy number one but Patrick is closing in fast. One of these elections Texans are going to wake up and vote these asses out of office.
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House impeaches by simple majority. Senate convicts by 2/3rds. Trump's impeached, then acquitted

The standard of evidence for a senator to convict is whatever the senator thinks it is. Senator can vote to convict for any reason or no reason at all.fo
no argument from me
Impeachment is not a legal process. It's a political process. Rules of due process do not apply, although the bodies involved will establish rules that are facsimiles of due process.

Literally, the people voting to impeach and convict are looking at how their vote will affect their re-election process.
I don't disagree. I'm wondering if senators believe it is helpful politically to acquit a guy whose been indicted once and may be indicted again. Do they want their political futures tied up with this guy?


Thanks for bringing the conversation back to my initial point: they could have avoided that dilemma entirely by not impeaching him in the first place and letting the courts handle it........



If, and only if, the allegations are true then his conduct in office is despicable.

If not impeachment then what sanction would you impose? (Aside from "let the voters decide" which is fair.)

He has been under indictment (but inexplicably not prosecuted) for 7-8 years on one (specious) charge.
He is (recently) being investigated by the FBI on another.

Are you going to remove him from office just because he's accused?
(remember, he's been accused of some of the counts for a long, long time and been elected anyway.)
Or are you going to let the processes in motion play out and remove him if/when convicted?

Why the rush to impeach?
Could it be that the legal cases against him are so weak?
Would it not be more fair to him and the majority of people who voted for him to let the legal processes lay out FIRST?

"Nah, I don't like the SOB and most especially the nutjobs who support him, so I'll help the Democrats screw him over the first chance I get, voters be damned."
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whiterock said:

quash said:

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House impeaches by simple majority. Senate convicts by 2/3rds. Trump's impeached, then acquitted

The standard of evidence for a senator to convict is whatever the senator thinks it is. Senator can vote to convict for any reason or no reason at all.fo
no argument from me
Impeachment is not a legal process. It's a political process. Rules of due process do not apply, although the bodies involved will establish rules that are facsimiles of due process.

Literally, the people voting to impeach and convict are looking at how their vote will affect their re-election process.
I don't disagree. I'm wondering if senators believe it is helpful politically to acquit a guy whose been indicted once and may be indicted again. Do they want their political futures tied up with this guy?


Thanks for bringing the conversation back to my initial point: they could have avoided that dilemma entirely by not impeaching him in the first place and letting the courts handle it........



If, and only if, the allegations are true then his conduct in office is despicable.

If not impeachment then what sanction would you impose? (Aside from "let the voters decide" which is fair.)

"Nah, I don't like the SOB and most especially the nutjobs who support him, so I'll help the Democrats screw him over the first chance I get, voters be damned."
--Osodecentx
Since you made up a quote for me, I'll participate.. Paxton was impeached by Republicans. A Republican chaired the committee who recommended impeachment, Republicans on the committee spoke in support of the recommendation, and a Republican was Speaker of the House when the vote took place and voted "Aye"

If you professional Republicans were smart you'd shuck him and appoint someone honest
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Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

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House impeaches by simple majority. Senate convicts by 2/3rds. Trump's impeached, then acquitted

The standard of evidence for a senator to convict is whatever the senator thinks it is. Senator can vote to convict for any reason or no reason at all.fo
no argument from me
Impeachment is not a legal process. It's a political process. Rules of due process do not apply, although the bodies involved will establish rules that are facsimiles of due process.

Literally, the people voting to impeach and convict are looking at how their vote will affect their re-election process.
I don't disagree. I'm wondering if senators believe it is helpful politically to acquit a guy whose been indicted once and may be indicted again. Do they want their political futures tied up with this guy?


Thanks for bringing the conversation back to my initial point: they could have avoided that dilemma entirely by not impeaching him in the first place and letting the courts handle it........



If, and only if, the allegations are true then his conduct in office is despicable.

If not impeachment then what sanction would you impose? (Aside from "let the voters decide" which is fair.)

"Nah, I don't like the SOB and most especially the nutjobs who support him, so I'll help the Democrats screw him over the first chance I get, voters be damned."
--Osodecentx
Since you made up a quote for me, I'll participate.. Paxton was impeached by Republicans. A Republican chaired the committee who recommended impeachment, Republicans on the committee spoke in support of the recommendation, and a Republican was Speaker of the House when the vote took place and voted "Aye"

If you professional Republicans were smart you'd shuck him and appoint someone honest

Somewhat quietly, that's what Abbott already did. Her name is Angela Colmenero.
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https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2020/07/27/texas-ag-ken-paxton-was-indicted-for-fraud-5-years-ago-will-he-ever-face-a-jury/

Texas AG Ken Paxton was indicted for fraud nearly eight years ago. He hasn't faced a jury

The case against Paxton, a Republican, has been delayed multiple times since he was indicted months into his first term. He now faces an unrelated House ethics investigation into allegations of abuse of office.

Paxton's alleged crimes date back to his time as a state lawmaker. He represented parts of Collin County in the Texas House for 10 years before winning a seat in the Texas Senate in November 2012. He was elected attorney general two years later and indicted seven months into his first term.
He is charged with two first-degree felonies over allegations that he persuaded friends to invest in a McKinney technology company called Servergy Inc. without telling them he received 100,000 shares of stock. His accusers were Byron Cook, who was a Republican state lawmaker until 2019, and Florida businessman Joel Hochberg.
Paxton said he intended to invest in Servergy, too, but the CEO would not let him, telling Paxton that "God doesn't want me to take your money."
He also is charged with a third-degree felony, accused of funneling clients to a friend's investment firm without being registered with the state. The Texas State Securities Board reprimanded and fined Paxton $1,000 for this failure to register in 2014.
If found guilty, Paxton could face two to 10 years in prison for the third-degree felony and five to 99 years for each of the first-degree felonies, as well as fines.
Paxton pleaded not guilty to all of the charges, saying the accusations were a partisan attack from Cook, whom, despite being a fellow Republican, Paxton once called a "political adversary." A past spokesman said the registration issue was "fully resolved" by the securities board.
Paxton successfully fought federal civil fraud charges arising from these same allegations twice.
2. Who is presiding over the fraud case and where?
Four different judges have presided over Paxton's securities fraud case in the past six years.
The first, Collin County District Court Judge Chris Oldner, a Republican, recused himself in 2015. Paxton's lawyers then successfully ousted the next judge, Tarrant County Republican George Gallagher, in May 2017. Gallagher had just months before ordered the case moved from Collin to Harris County, a major blow to the attorney general.
Prosecutors argued such a venue change was necessary because a local jury might be biased in favor of Paxton, who has lived in McKinney for years and is well-known in Collin County. They accused Paxton loyalists in North Texas of trying to derail the prosecution, describing their efforts as a "crusade" on the attorney general's behalf.
After the case was moved, it was randomly assigned to Harris County District Court Judge Robert Johnson, a Democrat, in mid-2017. Earlier this month, however, Johnson sided with Paxton's lawyers and ruled the case should be moved back to Collin County.
After handing Paxton this major victory, Johnson recused himself from the case. The attorney general's office is now representing Johnson in a lawsuit challenging the region's cash bail system. According to Johnson's recusal notice, "the judge's impartiality might reasonably be questioned" if he continued to preside over Paxton's case.
Harris County District Court Judge Jason Luong, a Democrat, got the case next but not for long.
First, Paxton attempted to remove Luong, arguing he too was also being represented by the attorney general's office in the same bail case. However, the court found Luong the fourth judge to preside over the case need not step down.
The prosecutors appealed Johnson's decision to move the case back to Collin County in July 2020. At the end of the month, the 1st Court of Appeals in Harris County abated Johnson's ruling, giving Luong a chance to revisit his decision.
In October, Luong agreed with his predecessor and Paxton that the case should be moved back to Collin County. But the prosecutors quickly moved to halt the change of venue decision. They lost their first try earlier this summer, after a Houston appeals court upheld Luong's ruling that the case belongs back in Collin County, but asked the full court to weigh in.
In June 2023, the appeals court ruled the trials could be held in Harris County.
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She's channeling her inner Tammy Wynette….
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I think she understands best friend but does not understand best wife. Reminds me of Hillary.
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There is very little in the Houston Chronicle that I care to read but this morning they hit the jackpot. I hope the link works to the Paxton Cartoon.

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https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2020/07/27/texas-ag-ken-paxton-was-indicted-for-fraud-5-years-ago-will-he-ever-face-a-jury/

Texas AG Ken Paxton was indicted for fraud nearly eight years ago. He hasn't faced a jury

The case against Paxton, a Republican, has been delayed multiple times since he was indicted months into his first term. He now faces an unrelated House ethics investigation into allegations of abuse of office.

Paxton's alleged crimes date back to his time as a state lawmaker. He represented parts of Collin County in the Texas House for 10 years before winning a seat in the Texas Senate in November 2012. He was elected attorney general two years later and indicted seven months into his first term.
He is charged with two first-degree felonies over allegations that he persuaded friends to invest in a McKinney technology company called Servergy Inc. without telling them he received 100,000 shares of stock. His accusers were Byron Cook, who was a Republican state lawmaker until 2019, and Florida businessman Joel Hochberg.
Paxton said he intended to invest in Servergy, too, but the CEO would not let him, telling Paxton that "God doesn't want me to take your money."
He also is charged with a third-degree felony, accused of funneling clients to a friend's investment firm without being registered with the state. The Texas State Securities Board reprimanded and fined Paxton $1,000 for this failure to register in 2014.
If found guilty, Paxton could face two to 10 years in prison for the third-degree felony and five to 99 years for each of the first-degree felonies, as well as fines.
Paxton pleaded not guilty to all of the charges, saying the accusations were a partisan attack from Cook, whom, despite being a fellow Republican, Paxton once called a "political adversary." A past spokesman said the registration issue was "fully resolved" by the securities board.
Paxton successfully fought federal civil fraud charges arising from these same allegations twice.
2. Who is presiding over the fraud case and where?
Four different judges have presided over Paxton's securities fraud case in the past six years.
The first, Collin County District Court Judge Chris Oldner, a Republican, recused himself in 2015. Paxton's lawyers then successfully ousted the next judge, Tarrant County Republican George Gallagher, in May 2017. Gallagher had just months before ordered the case moved from Collin to Harris County, a major blow to the attorney general.
Prosecutors argued such a venue change was necessary because a local jury might be biased in favor of Paxton, who has lived in McKinney for years and is well-known in Collin County. They accused Paxton loyalists in North Texas of trying to derail the prosecution, describing their efforts as a "crusade" on the attorney general's behalf.
After the case was moved, it was randomly assigned to Harris County District Court Judge Robert Johnson, a Democrat, in mid-2017. Earlier this month, however, Johnson sided with Paxton's lawyers and ruled the case should be moved back to Collin County.
After handing Paxton this major victory, Johnson recused himself from the case. The attorney general's office is now representing Johnson in a lawsuit challenging the region's cash bail system. According to Johnson's recusal notice, "the judge's impartiality might reasonably be questioned" if he continued to preside over Paxton's case.
Harris County District Court Judge Jason Luong, a Democrat, got the case next but not for long.
First, Paxton attempted to remove Luong, arguing he too was also being represented by the attorney general's office in the same bail case. However, the court found Luong the fourth judge to preside over the case need not step down.
The prosecutors appealed Johnson's decision to move the case back to Collin County in July 2020. At the end of the month, the 1st Court of Appeals in Harris County abated Johnson's ruling, giving Luong a chance to revisit his decision.
In October, Luong agreed with his predecessor and Paxton that the case should be moved back to Collin County. But the prosecutors quickly moved to halt the change of venue decision. They lost their first try earlier this summer, after a Houston appeals court upheld Luong's ruling that the case belongs back in Collin County, but asked the full court to weigh in.
In June 2023, the appeals court ruled the trials could be held in Harris County.

Exactly. How strong is an indictment when it takes 8 years to get to court?
Answer: Voters have elected him twice since this indictment, because they correctly determined the indictment was political.

When a Harris County Democrat judge sends the case back to Collin County, it's pretty much telling you the case is BS.
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whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2020/07/27/texas-ag-ken-paxton-was-indicted-for-fraud-5-years-ago-will-he-ever-face-a-jury/

Texas AG Ken Paxton was indicted for fraud nearly eight years ago. He hasn't faced a jury

The case against Paxton, a Republican, has been delayed multiple times since he was indicted months into his first term. He now faces an unrelated House ethics investigation into allegations of abuse of office.

Paxton's alleged crimes date back to his time as a state lawmaker. He represented parts of Collin County in the Texas House for 10 years before winning a seat in the Texas Senate in November 2012. He was elected attorney general two years later and indicted seven months into his first term.
He is charged with two first-degree felonies over allegations that he persuaded friends to invest in a McKinney technology company called Servergy Inc. without telling them he received 100,000 shares of stock. His accusers were Byron Cook, who was a Republican state lawmaker until 2019, and Florida businessman Joel Hochberg.
Paxton said he intended to invest in Servergy, too, but the CEO would not let him, telling Paxton that "God doesn't want me to take your money."
He also is charged with a third-degree felony, accused of funneling clients to a friend's investment firm without being registered with the state. The Texas State Securities Board reprimanded and fined Paxton $1,000 for this failure to register in 2014.
If found guilty, Paxton could face two to 10 years in prison for the third-degree felony and five to 99 years for each of the first-degree felonies, as well as fines.
Paxton pleaded not guilty to all of the charges, saying the accusations were a partisan attack from Cook, whom, despite being a fellow Republican, Paxton once called a "political adversary." A past spokesman said the registration issue was "fully resolved" by the securities board.
Paxton successfully fought federal civil fraud charges arising from these same allegations twice.
2. Who is presiding over the fraud case and where?
Four different judges have presided over Paxton's securities fraud case in the past six years.
The first, Collin County District Court Judge Chris Oldner, a Republican, recused himself in 2015. Paxton's lawyers then successfully ousted the next judge, Tarrant County Republican George Gallagher, in May 2017. Gallagher had just months before ordered the case moved from Collin to Harris County, a major blow to the attorney general.
Prosecutors argued such a venue change was necessary because a local jury might be biased in favor of Paxton, who has lived in McKinney for years and is well-known in Collin County. They accused Paxton loyalists in North Texas of trying to derail the prosecution, describing their efforts as a "crusade" on the attorney general's behalf.
After the case was moved, it was randomly assigned to Harris County District Court Judge Robert Johnson, a Democrat, in mid-2017. Earlier this month, however, Johnson sided with Paxton's lawyers and ruled the case should be moved back to Collin County.
After handing Paxton this major victory, Johnson recused himself from the case. The attorney general's office is now representing Johnson in a lawsuit challenging the region's cash bail system. According to Johnson's recusal notice, "the judge's impartiality might reasonably be questioned" if he continued to preside over Paxton's case.
Harris County District Court Judge Jason Luong, a Democrat, got the case next but not for long.
First, Paxton attempted to remove Luong, arguing he too was also being represented by the attorney general's office in the same bail case. However, the court found Luong the fourth judge to preside over the case need not step down.
The prosecutors appealed Johnson's decision to move the case back to Collin County in July 2020. At the end of the month, the 1st Court of Appeals in Harris County abated Johnson's ruling, giving Luong a chance to revisit his decision.
In October, Luong agreed with his predecessor and Paxton that the case should be moved back to Collin County. But the prosecutors quickly moved to halt the change of venue decision. They lost their first try earlier this summer, after a Houston appeals court upheld Luong's ruling that the case belongs back in Collin County, but asked the full court to weigh in.
In June 2023, the appeals court ruled the trials could be held in Harris County.

Exactly. How strong is an indictment when it takes 8 years to get to court?
Answer: Voters have elected him twice since this indictment, because they correctly determined the indictment was political.
Answer: Courts of appeals can't be rushed. Last case was in Houstone Court of Appeals since 2020.

The prosecutors appealed Johnson's decision to move the case back to Collin County in July 2020. At the end of the month, the 1st Court of Appeals in Harris County abated Johnson's ruling, giving Luong a chance to revisit his decision.
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Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2020/07/27/texas-ag-ken-paxton-was-indicted-for-fraud-5-years-ago-will-he-ever-face-a-jury/

Texas AG Ken Paxton was indicted for fraud nearly eight years ago. He hasn't faced a jury

The case against Paxton, a Republican, has been delayed multiple times since he was indicted months into his first term. He now faces an unrelated House ethics investigation into allegations of abuse of office.

Paxton's alleged crimes date back to his time as a state lawmaker. He represented parts of Collin County in the Texas House for 10 years before winning a seat in the Texas Senate in November 2012. He was elected attorney general two years later and indicted seven months into his first term.
He is charged with two first-degree felonies over allegations that he persuaded friends to invest in a McKinney technology company called Servergy Inc. without telling them he received 100,000 shares of stock. His accusers were Byron Cook, who was a Republican state lawmaker until 2019, and Florida businessman Joel Hochberg.
Paxton said he intended to invest in Servergy, too, but the CEO would not let him, telling Paxton that "God doesn't want me to take your money."
He also is charged with a third-degree felony, accused of funneling clients to a friend's investment firm without being registered with the state. The Texas State Securities Board reprimanded and fined Paxton $1,000 for this failure to register in 2014.
If found guilty, Paxton could face two to 10 years in prison for the third-degree felony and five to 99 years for each of the first-degree felonies, as well as fines.
Paxton pleaded not guilty to all of the charges, saying the accusations were a partisan attack from Cook, whom, despite being a fellow Republican, Paxton once called a "political adversary." A past spokesman said the registration issue was "fully resolved" by the securities board.
Paxton successfully fought federal civil fraud charges arising from these same allegations twice.
2. Who is presiding over the fraud case and where?
Four different judges have presided over Paxton's securities fraud case in the past six years.
The first, Collin County District Court Judge Chris Oldner, a Republican, recused himself in 2015. Paxton's lawyers then successfully ousted the next judge, Tarrant County Republican George Gallagher, in May 2017. Gallagher had just months before ordered the case moved from Collin to Harris County, a major blow to the attorney general.
Prosecutors argued such a venue change was necessary because a local jury might be biased in favor of Paxton, who has lived in McKinney for years and is well-known in Collin County. They accused Paxton loyalists in North Texas of trying to derail the prosecution, describing their efforts as a "crusade" on the attorney general's behalf.
After the case was moved, it was randomly assigned to Harris County District Court Judge Robert Johnson, a Democrat, in mid-2017. Earlier this month, however, Johnson sided with Paxton's lawyers and ruled the case should be moved back to Collin County.
After handing Paxton this major victory, Johnson recused himself from the case. The attorney general's office is now representing Johnson in a lawsuit challenging the region's cash bail system. According to Johnson's recusal notice, "the judge's impartiality might reasonably be questioned" if he continued to preside over Paxton's case.
Harris County District Court Judge Jason Luong, a Democrat, got the case next but not for long.
First, Paxton attempted to remove Luong, arguing he too was also being represented by the attorney general's office in the same bail case. However, the court found Luong the fourth judge to preside over the case need not step down.
The prosecutors appealed Johnson's decision to move the case back to Collin County in July 2020. At the end of the month, the 1st Court of Appeals in Harris County abated Johnson's ruling, giving Luong a chance to revisit his decision.
In October, Luong agreed with his predecessor and Paxton that the case should be moved back to Collin County. But the prosecutors quickly moved to halt the change of venue decision. They lost their first try earlier this summer, after a Houston appeals court upheld Luong's ruling that the case belongs back in Collin County, but asked the full court to weigh in.
In June 2023, the appeals court ruled the trials could be held in Harris County.

Exactly. How strong is an indictment when it takes 8 years to get to court?
Answer: Voters have elected him twice since this indictment, because they correctly determined the indictment was political.
Answer: Courts of appeals can't be rushed. Last case was in Houstone Court of Appeals since 2020.

The prosecutors appealed Johnson's decision to move the case back to Collin County in July 2020. At the end of the month, the 1st Court of Appeals in Harris County abated Johnson's ruling, giving Luong a chance to revisit his decision.
8 years......

There is a reason nobody is in a hurry to get this to a jury.

Yet you would impeach someone you don't like over this allegation, despite the fact that voters have elected him TWICE with the issue front & center in the campaign. I would wait until the jury speaks before launching impeachment.

Who's being responsible here, and who's playing politics?
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Who's being responsible here, and who's playing politics?
1 - Dade Phelan. 2 - Christian Right
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Sick Six.
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I think there are 8 votes to acquit, 12 to convict.

Paxton needs 3 more votes to walk
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Yeah. Bettencourt is the ******* who represents us. He got my last vote, ever.
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The Sorry Six
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We're coming for you next time too Danny Scott Goeb.
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We're coming for you next time too Danny Scott Goeb.
I'm not a Dan Patrick fan, but I have no complaint about the way this trial is being conducted.

The defense has made some big promises about evidence they will produce. We will see if they can deliver.
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