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The REAL RINO's are the MAGA's. They have destroyed GOP

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Interesting point. The MAGA's haven't done anything to balance the federal budget.

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Seriously, who has?

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Reagan, Clinton, you know, the ones that were real Republicans and not RINO MAGA

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Nice try, but my concentration is in Accounting. Clinton's math was a fairy tale.

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I am not a Bill Clinton fan but he did go through Business Process Engineering to try to make the government more efficient. His last month or so in office the spending was less than revenues.

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Believe that if it makes you feel good.

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Check it out.

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Oh I did, long ago. It's not just Clinton of course, but government 'accounting' is smoke and mirrors to put David Copperfield to shame.

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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The REAL RINO's are the MAGA's. They have destroyed GOP

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Guy Noir said:

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Guy Noir said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Guy Noir said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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The REAL RINO's are the MAGA's. They have destroyed GOP

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Interesting point. The MAGA's haven't done anything to balance the federal budget.

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Seriously, who has?

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Reagan, Clinton, you know, the ones that were real Republicans and not RINO MAGA

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Nice try, but my concentration is in Accounting. Clinton's math was a fairy tale.

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I am not a Bill Clinton fan but he did go through Business Process Engineering to try to make the government more efficient. His last month or so in office the spending was less than revenues.

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Believe that if it makes you feel good.

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Check it out.

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Oh I did, long ago. It's not just Clinton of course, but government 'accounting' is smoke and mirrors to put David Copperfield to shame.

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The MAGA Twittersphere seems to think Paxton is losing and state Sen. Kelly Hancock of Tarrant County is a swing vote. I can promise you that hammering his office with calls from other states won’t help Paxton’s case. #txlege

— Bud Kennedy / #ReadLocal (@BudKennedy) September 15, 2023

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House impeaches by simple majority. Senate convicts by 2/3rds. Trump's impeached, then acquitted

The standard of evidence for a senator to convict is whatever the senator thinks it is. Senator can vote to convict for any reason or no reason at all.fo

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no argument from me

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Impeachment is not a legal process. It's a political process. Rules of due process do not apply, although the bodies involved will establish rules that are facsimiles of due process.

Literally, the people voting to impeach and convict are looking at how their vote will affect their re-election process.

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I don't disagree. I'm wondering if senators believe it is helpful politically to acquit a guy whose been indicted once and may be indicted again. Do they want their political futures tied up with this guy?

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Thanks for bringing the conversation back to my initial point: they could have avoided that dilemma entirely by not impeaching him in the first place and letting the courts handle it........

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If, and only if, the allegations are true then his conduct in office is despicable.

If not impeachment then what sanction would you impose? (Aside from "let the voters decide" which is fair.)

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He has been under indictment (but inexplicably not prosecuted) for 7-8 years on one (specious) charge.
He is (recently) being investigated by the FBI on another.

Are you going to remove him from office just because he's accused?
(remember, he's been accused of some of the counts for a long, long time and been elected anyway.)
Or are you going to let the processes in motion play out and remove him if/when convicted?

Why the rush to impeach?
Could it be that the legal cases against him are so weak?
Would it not be more fair to him and the majority of people who voted for him to let the legal processes lay out FIRST?

"Nah, I don't like the SOB and most especially the nutjobs who support him, so I'll help the Democrats screw him over the first chance I get, voters be damned."
--Osodecentx

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Nothing in the Texas construction or the rules of the legislature require that body to pause while other charges are resolved. There is no interplay
I didn't suggest there were. You did.

Neither is there a "rush". Resolving this between sessions is entirely appropriate.
Of course there was a rush. It could have waited until after he was convicted of something. Instead, this was a surprise to the public....no drumbeat escalating PR build up, over months to drive up polling support for it. Just BOOM, out of left field. Impeachment is in deed a political process and the politics of this one were quite incompetently done.

Not sure why you asked me those questions: as I said if he is convicted he's out, if not he can stay as far as I'm concerned.

But you didn't answer the question I asked: what sanction would you impose if the evidence supports the charges?

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After listening all day today I think this is the best defense that can be offered at this time in hearings. Something about these 8 and Sutton doesn't set well. Also the bank President got to the top because of 44 years, not qualifications. He is either stupid or wanted to appear that way as something stinks about the foreclosure sale.

I don't know where Hardin was going today but it was boring. The young attorney, Cammack, was hung out to dry by Paul and Paxton. That was the only thing I could see today that meant Paxton was the creep I suspected him to be.

I had no clue until I got Buzbee's campaign flyer today that he is a MAGA. I never would have suspected him to be associated with them.

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The question is, where are the swing Senators on the question of Sutton & the Gang of 8? Not sure about that, but know for sure that no sane elected official would want to reward someone else's palace coup with victory, when they are so dependent on their own staff.

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LOL. You're just gobbling up what MQS is dishing out aren't you?

High level staff, all movement conservatives, suspect illegal activity. They report it to FBI. That isn't a palace coup, that is being honest . I guess dishonest state senators might see it as "rewarding the palace coup".

Convicting Paxton and removing him from office isn't rewarding the whistle blowers. It's thinning the herd of a dishonest AG; it would be rewarding the taxpayers of Texas. Republicans would also be the winners.

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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The REAL RINO's are the MAGA's. They have destroyed GOP

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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The REAL RINO's are the MAGA's. They have destroyed GOP

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The Bush/McCain/Romney cadre needs destroying.

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The REAL RINO's are the MAGA's. They have destroyed GOP

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The Bush/McCain/Romney cadre needs destroying.

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They were not perfect by any means but I'd take any of them today over what we currently are offerred. Listen to Christy. Trump is nothing but hot air. It is all bluster but at the end of the day everyone but Trump is ashamed.

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The REAL RINO's are the MAGA's. They have destroyed GOP

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The Bush/McCain/Romney cadre needs destroying.

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They were not perfect by any means but I'd take any of them today over what we currently are offerred. Listen to Christy. Trump is nothing but hot air. It is all bluster but at the end of the day everyone but Trump is ashamed.

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Had they not sucked so much we would never have had Trump.

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Breaking: Senate will vote on Paxton articles at 10:30 #txlege

— Patrick Svitek (@PatrickSvitek) September 16, 2023

Delayed until 11:10 a.m. #txlege #PaxtonImpeachmentTrial https://t.co/lKR7MGqzPK

— Brandon Waltens (@bwaltens) September 16, 2023

Nichols and Hancock were again the two Republican votes to convict #txlege

— Patrick Svitek (@PatrickSvitek) September 16, 2023

We're halfway through voting on the 16 Paxton impeachment articles, and the highest support any has gotten is 14, clearly short of the 21 needed to convict #txlege

— Patrick Svitek (@PatrickSvitek) September 16, 2023

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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After listening all day today I think this is the best defense that can be offered at this time in hearings. Something about these 8 and Sutton doesn't set well. Also the bank President got to the top because of 44 years, not qualifications. He is either stupid or wanted to appear that way as something stinks about the foreclosure sale.

I don't know where Hardin was going today but it was boring. The young attorney, Cammack, was hung out to dry by Paul and Paxton. That was the only thing I could see today that meant Paxton was the creep I suspected him to be.

I had no clue until I got Buzbee's campaign flyer today that he is a MAGA. I never would have suspected him to be associated with them.

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The question is, where are the swing Senators on the question of Sutton & the Gang of 8? Not sure about that, but know for sure that no sane elected official would want to reward someone else's palace coup with victory, when they are so dependent on their own staff.

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LOL. You're just gobbling up what MQS is dishing out aren't you?

High level staff, all movement conservatives, suspect illegal activity. They report it to FBI. That isn't a palace coup, that is being honest . I guess dishonest state senators might see it as "rewarding the palace coup".

Convicting Paxton and removing him from office isn't rewarding the whistle blowers. It's thinning the herd of a dishonest AG; it would be rewarding the taxpayers of Texas. Republicans would also be the winners.

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LOL so you do have a hard-on for MQS. So, I post video footage of the trial pulled from a MQS post and I'm gobbling his stuff? Ever heard of genetic fallacy?

You could not have been listening to the testimony. They provided, by their own words, no evidence of any illegal activity whatsoever. They were just "concerned" that it looked like something might happen (only it didn't).

You posts here make no sense. I am concerned you might be making meth in your bathroom. Expect the cops to arrive shortly.

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Patrick: "Millions of taxpayer dollars have been wasted on this impeachment." Calls for immediate audit. #txlege

— Kimberly Reeves (@edwonkkimmy) September 16, 2023

Dan Patrick said if an impeachment comes from the house again, the law should be changed to allow the person being accused to continue to hold their office until a verdict. #txlege @FOX4

— Steven Dial (@StevenDialFox4) September 16, 2023

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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After listening all day today I think this is the best defense that can be offered at this time in hearings. Something about these 8 and Sutton doesn't set well. Also the bank President got to the top because of 44 years, not qualifications. He is either stupid or wanted to appear that way as something stinks about the foreclosure sale.

I don't know where Hardin was going today but it was boring. The young attorney, Cammack, was hung out to dry by Paul and Paxton. That was the only thing I could see today that meant Paxton was the creep I suspected him to be.

I had no clue until I got Buzbee's campaign flyer today that he is a MAGA. I never would have suspected him to be associated with them.

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The question is, where are the swing Senators on the question of Sutton & the Gang of 8? Not sure about that, but know for sure that no sane elected official would want to reward someone else's palace coup with victory, when they are so dependent on their own staff.

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LOL. You're just gobbling up what MQS is dishing out aren't you?

High level staff, all movement conservatives, suspect illegal activity. They report it to FBI. That isn't a palace coup, that is being honest . I guess dishonest state senators might see it as "rewarding the palace coup".

Convicting Paxton and removing him from office isn't rewarding the whistle blowers. It's thinning the herd of a dishonest AG; it would be rewarding the taxpayers of Texas. Republicans would also be the winners.

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LOL so you do have a hard-on for MQS. So, I post video footage of the trial pulled from a MQS post and I'm gobbling his stuff? Ever heard of genetic fallacy?

You could not have been listening to the testimony. They provided, by their own words, no evidence of any illegal activity whatsoever. They were just "concerned" that it looked like something might happen (only it didn't).

You posts here make no sense. I am concerned you might be making meth in your bathroom. Expect the cops to arrive shortly.

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You are gobbling up mucous ( MQS)

Meth?

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Lt. Gov. Patrick: "Our founders expected better" than this #KenPaxtonImpeachment process.
Says #Texas is the envy of the world. pic.twitter.com/TzrdVDyhCH

— Jason Wheeler (@jasonwheelertv) September 16, 2023

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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After listening all day today I think this is the best defense that can be offered at this time in hearings. Something about these 8 and Sutton doesn't set well. Also the bank President got to the top because of 44 years, not qualifications. He is either stupid or wanted to appear that way as something stinks about the foreclosure sale.

I don't know where Hardin was going today but it was boring. The young attorney, Cammack, was hung out to dry by Paul and Paxton. That was the only thing I could see today that meant Paxton was the creep I suspected him to be.

I had no clue until I got Buzbee's campaign flyer today that he is a MAGA. I never would have suspected him to be associated with them.

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The question is, where are the swing Senators on the question of Sutton & the Gang of 8? Not sure about that, but know for sure that no sane elected official would want to reward someone else's palace coup with victory, when they are so dependent on their own staff.

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LOL. You're just gobbling up what MQS is dishing out aren't you?

High level staff, all movement conservatives, suspect illegal activity. They report it to FBI. That isn't a palace coup, that is being honest . I guess dishonest state senators might see it as "rewarding the palace coup".

Convicting Paxton and removing him from office isn't rewarding the whistle blowers. It's thinning the herd of a dishonest AG; it would be rewarding the taxpayers of Texas. Republicans would also be the winners.

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LOL so you do have a hard-on for MQS. So, I post video footage of the trial pulled from a MQS post and I'm gobbling his stuff? Ever heard of genetic fallacy?

You could not have been listening to the testimony. They provided, by their own words, no evidence of any illegal activity whatsoever. They were just "concerned" that it looked like something might happen (only it didn't).

You posts here make no sense. I am concerned you might be making meth in your bathroom. Expect the cops to arrive shortly.

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You are gobbling up mucous ( MQS)

Meth?

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Your glide path got gummed up with mucous

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"Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything."

James 1:2-4 #txlege pic.twitter.com/9IsXwOugFS

— Senator Angela Paxton (@AngelaPaxtonTX) September 16, 2023

In a rare flash of anger, Texas House Speaker @DadePhelan blasts Lt Gov @DanPatrick: "To be clear, Patrick attacked the House for standing up against corruption. His tirade disrespects the Constitutional impeachment process afforded to us by the founders of this great state." pic.twitter.com/7oAYhDeSU5

— Scott Braddock (@scottbraddock) September 16, 2023

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"Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything."

James 1:2-4 #txlege pic.twitter.com/9IsXwOugFS

— Senator Angela Paxton (@AngelaPaxtonTX) September 16, 2023

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In a rare flash of anger, Texas House Speaker @DadePhelan blasts Lt Gov @DanPatrick: "To be clear, Patrick attacked the House for standing up against corruption. His tirade disrespects the Constitutional impeachment process afforded to us by the founders of this great state." pic.twitter.com/7oAYhDeSU5

— Scott Braddock (@scottbraddock) September 16, 2023

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Buzbee on Insta pic.twitter.com/67vTCO1Bpy

— Patrick Svitek (@PatrickSvitek) September 16, 2023

New: Trump weighs in on Paxton acquittal, calls on Phelan to resign #txlege pic.twitter.com/ZQkDdwt8K2

— Patrick Svitek (@PatrickSvitek) September 16, 2023

• STATEMENT: Texas Democratic Party Statement on the Acquittal of Indicted Attorney General Ken Paxton #PaxtonTrial #txlege
  
  Read the full statement: https://t.co/KvdW0WegRI pic.twitter.com/Y4ZL2tQXBo

  — Texas Democrats (@texasdemocrats) September 16, 2023

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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After listening all day today I think this is the best defense that can be offered at this time in hearings. Something about these 8 and Sutton doesn't set well. Also the bank President got to the top because of 44 years, not qualifications. He is either stupid or wanted to appear that way as something stinks about the foreclosure sale.

I don't know where Hardin was going today but it was boring. The young attorney, Cammack, was hung out to dry by Paul and Paxton. That was the only thing I could see today that meant Paxton was the creep I suspected him to be.

I had no clue until I got Buzbee's campaign flyer today that he is a MAGA. I never would have suspected him to be associated with them.

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The question is, where are the swing Senators on the question of Sutton & the Gang of 8? Not sure about that, but know for sure that no sane elected official would want to reward someone else's palace coup with victory, when they are so dependent on their own staff.

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LOL. You're just gobbling up what MQS is dishing out aren't you?

High level staff, all movement conservatives, suspect illegal activity. They report it to FBI. That isn't a palace coup, that is being honest . I guess dishonest state senators might see it as "rewarding the palace coup".

Convicting Paxton and removing him from office isn't rewarding the whistle blowers. It's thinning the herd of a dishonest AG; it would be rewarding the taxpayers of Texas. Republicans would also be the winners.

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LOL so you do have a hard-on for MQS. So, I post video footage of the trial pulled from a MQS post and I'm gobbling his stuff? Ever heard of genetic fallacy?

You could not have been listening to the testimony. They provided, by their own words, no evidence of any illegal activity whatsoever. They were just "concerned" that it looked like something might happen (only it didn't).

You posts here make no sense. I am concerned you might be making meth in your bathroom. Expect the cops to arrive shortly.

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You are gobbling up mucous ( MQS)

Meth?

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Your glide path got gummed up with mucous

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You win. Paxton is the face of the Texas Republican Party
You own him

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Now that @DanPatrick has admitted he spoke with senators during their deliberations, in which they were to speak to no one but each other, maybe he'll gladly release his full phone records for Friday and today #TxLege

— Scott Braddock (@scottbraddock) September 16, 2023

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Much like Clinton & Trump .... yes we know he did it, just not bad enough to break party lines


Much like the ref last week swallowing the flag on the last play of the game last week

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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After listening all day today I think this is the best defense that can be offered at this time in hearings. Something about these 8 and Sutton doesn't set well. Also the bank President got to the top because of 44 years, not qualifications. He is either stupid or wanted to appear that way as something stinks about the foreclosure sale.

I don't know where Hardin was going today but it was boring. The young attorney, Cammack, was hung out to dry by Paul and Paxton. That was the only thing I could see today that meant Paxton was the creep I suspected him to be.

I had no clue until I got Buzbee's campaign flyer today that he is a MAGA. I never would have suspected him to be associated with them.

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The question is, where are the swing Senators on the question of Sutton & the Gang of 8? Not sure about that, but know for sure that no sane elected official would want to reward someone else's palace coup with victory, when they are so dependent on their own staff.

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LOL. You're just gobbling up what MQS is dishing out aren't you?

High level staff, all movement conservatives, suspect illegal activity. They report it to FBI. That isn't a palace coup, that is being honest . I guess dishonest state senators might see it as "rewarding the palace coup".

Convicting Paxton and removing him from office isn't rewarding the whistle blowers. It's thinning the herd of a dishonest AG; it would be rewarding the taxpayers of Texas. Republicans would also be the winners.

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LOL so you do have a hard-on for MQS. So, I post video footage of the trial pulled from a MQS post and I'm gobbling his stuff? Ever heard of genetic fallacy?

You could not have been listening to the testimony. They provided, by their own words, no evidence of any illegal activity whatsoever. They were just "concerned" that it looked like something might happen (only it didn't).

You posts here make no sense. I am concerned you might be making meth in your bathroom. Expect the cops to arrive shortly.

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You are gobbling up mucous ( MQS)

Meth?

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Your glide path got gummed up with mucous

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You win. Paxton is the face of the Texas Republican Party
You own him

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No, the people of Texas do, but thanks for revealing the "vanity uber alles" that drives your thinking.

If/when he's convicted if something, I'll lead the charge to impeach. Until then, I'm going to work to punish the numbskulls who incompetently executed up a half-baked impeachment idea that could only have been worse politics had it succeeded.

What dumba$$es…..

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