Actually I believe Cornyn has pretty much paid lip service to border control. And he seems to quickly want to give amnesty to those who come here illegally. Of course I have written to him and his office as I'm sure many of you have with my concerns about this issue over the years. And it would not surprise you that I consider this open border policy of the Biden Administration an invasion of our state and country.

It is a disservice to those who legally go through a lengthy process to become a citizen which is expensive and cumbersome. It has ruined many Rio Grande Valley towns and it will change all parts of the country if they are allowed to stay here. Most of them have no legal asylum claims and their hope is to stay in the country long enough for everyone to say well they have been here so we can't throw them out. But I say we must remove them in order to preserve our culture and sense of unity as one country. For we cannot possibly incorporate this many illegals from over 100 countries speaking so many different languages into our society and make it work out. It is just too many people. Just think about the problems this will entail for decades. And the associated costs. We have already seen what it has done to these small city budgets. Their hospitals are filled with illegals and their social service networks are collapsing where they cannot serve their own taxpaying, legal citizens. At what point do we have to ask Is this fair? Then I don't have to say the state budgets and federal budget outlays just to take care of millions of individuals that we should say should come LEGALLY. That is not being cruel, but rather honest and realistic.

Then we move to the crime which is and will continue to occur when these folks who cannot speak English are not employable and thus will resort to crime for their subsistence. So say what you will about Trump. I can easily point to the policies he implemented on energy, economics, regulations, immigration and the border, and foreign policy. He knew how to leverage the power he had in dealing with leaders around the world. Look at Mexico. He forced the President of Mexico to put troops on his southern border, hold asylum seekers in Mexico until their hearing, and had our border to a large degree secured. The drugs were less, the human trafficking was less and crime was less.

So I want to return to policies that work or have worked. And I don't give a rats who has the workable ideas. Why would I care? We are in trouble. The problem now is we have too many parties making points to win more power while the damn country suffers through policies that simply don't work.

We can do better. Who would care who gets the credit. Don't we all just want the policies implemented that work for everyone to move the country forward?

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Sad and little no. Confess to being bitter that morons keep chipping away at the country I love by eroding the public's faith in elections.

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Impossible to have faith in elections when they are held under very irregular circumstances as in 2020, or so many presumed citizens reveal they are morons and/or MarxoFacist woke libs who are existential threats to our republic. There is no magical virtue in elections.

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"No magical virtue in elections" is code for a theocracy. It denies the entire point of the country. No thanks.

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Zero reference to theocracy. Far from it. I have in mind our forefathers at Lexington and Concord who knew what to do when the time came. We ought not to be sheep.

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They fought because they objected to "taxation without representation." Representation comes from elections.

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Reducing men put their lives on the line because of their objections to taxation or representation is ridiculous.

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You are a sad, bitter little man, Frank.

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Sad and little no. Confess to being bitter that morons keep chipping away at the country I love by eroding the public's faith in elections.

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Impossible to have faith in elections when they are held under very irregular circumstances as in 2020, or so many presumed citizens reveal they are morons and/or MarxoFacist woke libs who are existential threats to our republic. There is no magical virtue in elections.

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"No magical virtue in elections" is code for a theocracy. It denies the entire point of the country. No thanks.

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Zero reference to theocracy. Far from it. I have in mind our forefathers at Lexington and Concord who knew what to do when the time came. We ought not to be sheep.

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They fought because they objected to "taxation without representation." Representation comes from elections.

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Reducing men put their lives on the line because of their objections to taxation or representation is ridiculous.

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Your sentence is unclear. Who are "reducing men?"

If the the point is that taxation without representation was not the only reason for the war, then yes. But it was a rallying cry because it reflected the colonists' desire for some control over their destiny. Most would have been satisfied with having real input into the British government, others wanted self-government and that became the goal after the revolution started. But whether it was electing members to parliament or forming our own government, the reform sought inevitably involved elections.

We for the most part did not want a king, we wanted to elect our leaders.

It was the point of the revolution, the point of the Constitutuion and it remains our largest contribution to the world's history and to the advancement of the human condition.

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You should call your house reps and demand Phelan step down as speaker. He's incompetent. If Paxton really is as dirty as you posted above, a capable Speaker of the House should have nailed him to the wall.

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I'll do whatever I can to make sure the RWNJ's that have destroyed the party are eviscerated in the upcoming elections. If you want the state run by the Church this is exactly what you get. Sleaze like Paxton and Patrick hiding under the Hood.

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You are a sad, bitter little man, Frank.

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Sad and little no. Confess to being bitter that morons keep chipping away at the country I love by eroding the public's faith in elections.

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Impossible to have faith in elections when they are held under very irregular circumstances as in 2020, or so many presumed citizens reveal they are morons and/or MarxoFacist woke libs who are existential threats to our republic. There is no magical virtue in elections.

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"No magical virtue in elections" is code for a theocracy. It denies the entire point of the country. No thanks.

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Zero reference to theocracy. Far from it. I have in mind our forefathers at Lexington and Concord who knew what to do when the time came. We ought not to be sheep.

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They fought because they objected to "taxation without representation." Representation comes from elections.

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Reducing men put their lives on the line because of their objections to taxation or representation is ridiculous.

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Your sentence is unclear. Who are "reducing men?"

If the the point is that taxation without representation was not the only reason for the war, then yes. But it was a rallying cry because it reflected the colonists' desire for some control over their destiny. Most would have been satisfied with having real input into the British government, others wanted self-government and that became the goal after the revolution started. But whether it was electing members to parliament or forming our own government, the reform sought inevitably involved elections.

We for the most part did not want a king, we wanted to elect our leaders.

It was the point of the revolution, the point of the Constitutuion and it remains our largest contribution to the world's history and to the advancement of the human condition.

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There was long list of grievances in the Declaration. Here are few that resonate today as grievances against our Masters in Far Away Washington:

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.


He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

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Frank Galvin said:

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curtpenn said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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curtpenn said:

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You are a sad, bitter little man, Frank.

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Sad and little no. Confess to being bitter that morons keep chipping away at the country I love by eroding the public's faith in elections.

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Impossible to have faith in elections when they are held under very irregular circumstances as in 2020, or so many presumed citizens reveal they are morons and/or MarxoFacist woke libs who are existential threats to our republic. There is no magical virtue in elections.

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"No magical virtue in elections" is code for a theocracy. It denies the entire point of the country. No thanks.

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Zero reference to theocracy. Far from it. I have in mind our forefathers at Lexington and Concord who knew what to do when the time came. We ought not to be sheep.

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They fought because they objected to "taxation without representation." Representation comes from elections.

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Reducing men put their lives on the line because of their objections to taxation or representation is ridiculous.

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Your sentence is unclear. Who are "reducing men?"

If the the point is that taxation without representation was not the only reason for the war, then yes. But it was a rallying cry because it reflected the colonists' desire for some control over their destiny. Most would have been satisfied with having real input into the British government, others wanted self-government and that became the goal after the revolution started. But whether it was electing members to parliament or forming our own government, the reform sought inevitably involved elections.

We for the most part did not want a king, we wanted to elect our leaders.

It was the point of the revolution, the point of the Constitutuion and it remains our largest contribution to the world's history and to the advancement of the human condition.

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There was long list of grievances in the Declaration. Here are few that resonate today as grievances against our Masters in Far Away Washington:

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.


He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

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So?

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Frank Galvin said:

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curtpenn said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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You are a sad, bitter little man, Frank.

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Sad and little no. Confess to being bitter that morons keep chipping away at the country I love by eroding the public's faith in elections.

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Impossible to have faith in elections when they are held under very irregular circumstances as in 2020, or so many presumed citizens reveal they are morons and/or MarxoFacist woke libs who are existential threats to our republic. There is no magical virtue in elections.

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"No magical virtue in elections" is code for a theocracy. It denies the entire point of the country. No thanks.

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Zero reference to theocracy. Far from it. I have in mind our forefathers at Lexington and Concord who knew what to do when the time came. We ought not to be sheep.

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They fought because they objected to "taxation without representation." Representation comes from elections.

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Reducing men put their lives on the line because of their objections to taxation or representation is ridiculous.

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Your sentence is unclear. Who are "reducing men?"

If the the point is that taxation without representation was not the only reason for the war, then yes. But it was a rallying cry because it reflected the colonists' desire for some control over their destiny. Most would have been satisfied with having real input into the British government, others wanted self-government and that became the goal after the revolution started. But whether it was electing members to parliament or forming our own government, the reform sought inevitably involved elections.

We for the most part did not want a king, we wanted to elect our leaders.

It was the point of the revolution, the point of the Constitutuion and it remains our largest contribution to the world's history and to the advancement of the human condition.

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There was long list of grievances in the Declaration. Here are few that resonate today as grievances against our Masters in Far Away Washington:

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.


He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

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So?

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The argument was that you reduced the movement for Independence to "Taxation without Representation." Just judging from the Founders own words, that is true and you are an idiot.

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Frank Galvin said:

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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curtpenn said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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curtpenn said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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curtpenn said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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You are a sad, bitter little man, Frank.

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Sad and little no. Confess to being bitter that morons keep chipping away at the country I love by eroding the public's faith in elections.

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Impossible to have faith in elections when they are held under very irregular circumstances as in 2020, or so many presumed citizens reveal they are morons and/or MarxoFacist woke libs who are existential threats to our republic. There is no magical virtue in elections.

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"No magical virtue in elections" is code for a theocracy. It denies the entire point of the country. No thanks.

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Zero reference to theocracy. Far from it. I have in mind our forefathers at Lexington and Concord who knew what to do when the time came. We ought not to be sheep.

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They fought because they objected to "taxation without representation." Representation comes from elections.

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Reducing men put their lives on the line because of their objections to taxation or representation is ridiculous.

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Your sentence is unclear. Who are "reducing men?"

If the the point is that taxation without representation was not the only reason for the war, then yes. But it was a rallying cry because it reflected the colonists' desire for some control over their destiny. Most would have been satisfied with having real input into the British government, others wanted self-government and that became the goal after the revolution started. But whether it was electing members to parliament or forming our own government, the reform sought inevitably involved elections.

We for the most part did not want a king, we wanted to elect our leaders.

It was the point of the revolution, the point of the Constitutuion and it remains our largest contribution to the world's history and to the advancement of the human condition.

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There was long list of grievances in the Declaration. Here are few that resonate today as grievances against our Masters in Far Away Washington:

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.


He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

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So?

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The argument was that you reduced the movement for Independence to "Taxation without Representation." Just judging from the Founders own words, that is true and you are an idiot.

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Wrong. Curt's argument was that democracy is overrated. I pointed out that the whole point of the revolution was to establish a form of self-government and that elections are central to that idea.

Curt referenced the motivations of the men and Lexington and Concord, which preceded the Declaration. I said they were motivated largely by taxes and tariffs levied by the crown without regard for how those changes would impact the economy and life of the colonists, particularly the New England merchant class: taxation without representation.

The grievances listed in the Declaration closely relate to that dispute. Our founding fathers wanted freedom, not anarchy. They wanted a society where they could control their destiny through their votes.

Eventually, through the Constitution, they laid the framework for that society. And it hinges on elections, lest the people be powerless.

If there is one phrase from the revolutionary era expresses what the founders objected to it is "taxation without representation."

Uh, Frank, you do remember the battle of Concord & Lexington, right?

Where the actual fighting started?

That was about seizing a privately owned cannon, not taxation.

And the British Army went around trying to shut down newspapers which complained about the Crown's overreach. That was also about a lot more than taxation.

There were riots in Boston about the British forcing private citizens to house and feed their soldiers just before the Revolution. Again, that was not about taxation.

Those three points I raised matter because they were specifically addressed in our Constitution under the Second, First, and Fourth amendments. In fact, all of the ten points in the original Bill of Rights were material causes for the rebellion and eventual Declaration of Independence.

You picked one part, an important one, but far from the only cause or issue of note.

Frank Galvin said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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curtpenn said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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curtpenn said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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curtpenn said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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You are a sad, bitter little man, Frank.

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Sad and little no. Confess to being bitter that morons keep chipping away at the country I love by eroding the public's faith in elections.

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Impossible to have faith in elections when they are held under very irregular circumstances as in 2020, or so many presumed citizens reveal they are morons and/or MarxoFacist woke libs who are existential threats to our republic. There is no magical virtue in elections.

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"No magical virtue in elections" is code for a theocracy. It denies the entire point of the country. No thanks.

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Zero reference to theocracy. Far from it. I have in mind our forefathers at Lexington and Concord who knew what to do when the time came. We ought not to be sheep.

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They fought because they objected to "taxation without representation." Representation comes from elections.

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Reducing men put their lives on the line because of their objections to taxation or representation is ridiculous.

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Your sentence is unclear. Who are "reducing men?"

If the the point is that taxation without representation was not the only reason for the war, then yes. But it was a rallying cry because it reflected the colonists' desire for some control over their destiny. Most would have been satisfied with having real input into the British government, others wanted self-government and that became the goal after the revolution started. But whether it was electing members to parliament or forming our own government, the reform sought inevitably involved elections.

We for the most part did not want a king, we wanted to elect our leaders.

It was the point of the revolution, the point of the Constitutuion and it remains our largest contribution to the world's history and to the advancement of the human condition.

---

There was long list of grievances in the Declaration. Here are few that resonate today as grievances against our Masters in Far Away Washington:

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.


He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

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So?

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The argument was that you reduced the movement for Independence to "Taxation without Representation." Just judging from the Founders own words, that is true and you are an idiot.

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If there is one phrase from the revolutionary era expresses what the founders objected to it is "taxation without representation."

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The bad news for you is that there are many phrases that express what the Founders objected to. It goes beyond your grade-school understanding of history.

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Uh, Frank, you do remember the battle of Concord & Lexington, right?

Where the actual fighting started?

That was about seizing a privately owned cannon, not taxation.

And the British Army went around trying to shut down newspapers which complained about the Crown's overreach. That was also about a lot more than taxation.

There were riots in Boston about the British forcing private citizens to house and feed their soldiers just before the Revolution. Again, that was not about taxation.

Those three points I raised matter because they were specifically addressed in our Constitution under the Second, First, and Fourth amendments. In fact, all of the ten points in the original Bill of Rights were material causes for the rebellion and eventual Declaration of Independence.

You picked one part, an important one, but far from the only cause or issue of note.

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And I made clear that the part I picked was emblematic of the desire for self-government. The way we accomplish self government is through elections, which Curt thinks are unimportant.

My detractors focus on the taxation portion of the phrase; the important part is representation.

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Uh, Frank, you do remember the battle of Concord & Lexington, right?

Where the actual fighting started?

That was about seizing a privately owned cannon, not taxation.

And the British Army went around trying to shut down newspapers which complained about the Crown's overreach. That was also about a lot more than taxation.

There were riots in Boston about the British forcing private citizens to house and feed their soldiers just before the Revolution. Again, that was not about taxation.

Those three points I raised matter because they were specifically addressed in our Constitution under the Second, First, and Fourth amendments. In fact, all of the ten points in the original Bill of Rights were material causes for the rebellion and eventual Declaration of Independence.

You picked one part, an important one, but far from the only cause or issue of note.

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And I made clear that the part I picked was emblematic of the desire for self-government. The way we accomplish self government is through elections, which Curt thinks are unimportant.

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"Elections lead to self government."

--Stalin

No, all you "made clear" Frank, is that you missed most of the causes for the Revolution, and therefore are unaware of why our Constitution is formed the way it is.

Best if you just admit the goof and move on.

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Hopefully the Texas AG sees the handwriting on the wall and eventually steps aside for another Republican.

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Nope. He will view this as a license to do anything he wants. He'll be gunning for Patrick's seat next.

Horrible outcome. Patrick is an idiot.

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Yep. Winning the impeachment did make Paxton stronger, helped his chances to move up the ladder.

Paxton-phobes better hope the investigations result in convictions. If not, there's a good chance Paxton will be your next governor.

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As a lawyer here in Austin with pretty close connections to the AG's office and one of the parties Paxton had dealings with, I can tell you with certainty that if the evidence I have seen is real and what I have been told by this witness is truthful, Paxton is clearly guilty of multiple felonies. And it's not Trump-like charges, where prosecutors are attempting to charge on flimsy legal theories, but stuff that those convicted do really hard time for if you are an average person. He's done some things as a lawyer that I would be in jail for and disbarred if I had done the same.

Now, does that translate into a conviction in front a jury of his peers? Who knows? But this guy is dirty as the day is long. It would be a very bad look for the party to support his guy for any higher office, that is for sure. Any moral high ground it ever had would be completely lost. The Dems would have a field day. But perhaps it already is.

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Reasonable.

I said this on day one, and time has proven me correct: the choice to impeach at this time rather than waiting for prosecutions to undermine, if not convict Paxton.....was an enormous miscalculation. It failed. And that failure has empowered him. Further, it has put his accusers on the defense. They will have to raise more money to win primaries. Some will lose. Politically, everyone except Paxton is in a worse position today than before the day the impeachment was dropped. The money & effort to primary his accusers could/should be used to win the general in 2024, grow the house majority, etc..... But if it gets rid of some of the numbskulls in the House who drove this process and forces Phelan into a fight for his political life, it will teach an important lesson about political judgment - do not impeach a very popular member of your own party unless you have the goods and the votes (they didn't), and make damned sure you do the process exceedingly deliberately, carefully, etc... (they woefully did not.) Real novices, our house leadership. They completely misread the landscape and virtue postured rather than making cold, hard political judgments.

You should call your house reps and demand Phelan step down as speaker. He's incompetent. If Paxton really is as dirty as you posted above, a capable Speaker of the House should have nailed him to the wall.

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I am not sure at this point Republicans care that Paxton is dirty, as I alluded to in my prior post. While our policies are better, certainly, and more in line with traditional Judeo-Christian ethics, we don't appear to really care whether the candidate is a bad person anymore.

I think at this point we can only run on policy, and the moral high ground inherent therein. Our candidates, at least morally speaking, don't appear to be any better in their personal lives than Democrats.

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I agree. The voters do not care. So…..

And then there's ARFR #6: "a good tactic is one your supporters enjoy." Ballsy.

Coming to you from ground zero of the Impeachment Trial -- the kitchen of our Austin home.

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— Senator Angela Paxton (@AngelaPaxtonTX) September 22, 2023

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Uh, Frank, you do remember the battle of Concord & Lexington, right?

Where the actual fighting started?

That was about seizing a privately owned cannon, not taxation.

And the British Army went around trying to shut down newspapers which complained about the Crown's overreach. That was also about a lot more than taxation.

There were riots in Boston about the British forcing private citizens to house and feed their soldiers just before the Revolution. Again, that was not about taxation.

Those three points I raised matter because they were specifically addressed in our Constitution under the Second, First, and Fourth amendments. In fact, all of the ten points in the original Bill of Rights were material causes for the rebellion and eventual Declaration of Independence.

You picked one part, an important one, but far from the only cause or issue of note.

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And I made clear that the part I picked was emblematic of the desire for self-government. The way we accomplish self government is through elections, which Curt thinks are unimportant.

My detractors focus on the taxation portion of the phrase; the important part is representation.

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It's clear that at least the one thing you are good at (or, maybe two things) is misunderstanding and/or misrepresenting. Nowhere did I say anything about "theocracy" or elections being "unimportant"; those are your words. I said there is no magic virtue in elections and I should have added no magical virtue in democracy. I'm fairly certain the men who stood shoulder to shoulder "their flag to April's breeze unfurled" as they faced off against the bayonets of the lobsterbacks arrayed on Concord green did so out of something much more primal and universal than "representation".

It should also be clear that a democracy depends on the both the quality of its demos or polis as well as the integrity of its elections. No thinking person can fail to see that the 2020 elections were carried out under highly irregular circumstances. It should also be obvious to all that our demos is sorely lacking in the virtues that are required to preserve liberty and to protect against the tyranny of the majority. Elections have consequences indeed.

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Hopefully the Texas AG sees the handwriting on the wall and eventually steps aside for another Republican.

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Nope. He will view this as a license to do anything he wants. He'll be gunning for Patrick's seat next.

Horrible outcome. Patrick is an idiot.

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Yep. Winning the impeachment did make Paxton stronger, helped his chances to move up the ladder.

Paxton-phobes better hope the investigations result in convictions. If not, there's a good chance Paxton will be your next governor.

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As a lawyer here in Austin with pretty close connections to the AG's office and one of the parties Paxton had dealings with, I can tell you with certainty that if the evidence I have seen is real and what I have been told by this witness is truthful, Paxton is clearly guilty of multiple felonies. And it's not Trump-like charges, where prosecutors are attempting to charge on flimsy legal theories, but stuff that those convicted do really hard time for if you are an average person. He's done some things as a lawyer that I would be in jail for and disbarred if I had done the same.

Now, does that translate into a conviction in front a jury of his peers? Who knows? But this guy is dirty as the day is long. It would be a very bad look for the party to support his guy for any higher office, that is for sure. Any moral high ground it ever had would be completely lost. The Dems would have a field day. But perhaps it already is.

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Reasonable.

I said this on day one, and time has proven me correct: the choice to impeach at this time rather than waiting for prosecutions to undermine, if not convict Paxton.....was an enormous miscalculation. It failed. And that failure has empowered him. Further, it has put his accusers on the defense. They will have to raise more money to win primaries. Some will lose. Politically, everyone except Paxton is in a worse position today than before the day the impeachment was dropped. The money & effort to primary his accusers could/should be used to win the general in 2024, grow the house majority, etc..... But if it gets rid of some of the numbskulls in the House who drove this process and forces Phelan into a fight for his political life, it will teach an important lesson about political judgment - do not impeach a very popular member of your own party unless you have the goods and the votes (they didn't), and make damned sure you do the process exceedingly deliberately, carefully, etc... (they woefully did not.) Real novices, our house leadership. They completely misread the landscape and virtue postured rather than making cold, hard political judgments.

You should call your house reps and demand Phelan step down as speaker. He's incompetent. If Paxton really is as dirty as you posted above, a capable Speaker of the House should have nailed him to the wall.

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I am not sure at this point Republicans care that Paxton is dirty, as I alluded to in my prior post. While our policies are better, certainly, and more in line with traditional Judeo-Christian ethics, we don't appear to really care whether the candidate is a bad person anymore.

I think at this point we can only run on policy, and the moral high ground inherent therein. Our candidates, at least morally speaking, don't appear to be any better in their personal lives than Democrats.

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I agree. The voters do not care. So…..

And then there's ARFR #6: "a good tactic is one your supporters enjoy." Ballsy.

Coming to you from ground zero of the Impeachment Trial -- the kitchen of our Austin home.

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— Senator Angela Paxton (@AngelaPaxtonTX) September 22, 2023

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There's a little, if any, hope that Paxton will ever be elected to an office higher than Attorney General. I suspect in the next couple years, he'll be in jail.

And that's a good thing. We don't need pieces of **** running for higher office.

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There's a little, if any, hope that Paxton will ever be elected to an office higher than Attorney General. I suspect in the next couple years, he'll be in jail.

And that's a good thing. We don't need pieces of **** running for higher office.

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One can wish. I just watch 30 minutes of his interview with ****er Carlson. I heard Karl Rove's name mentioned numerous times, the same with the Bush's, all of whom ****er accused of being Liberal lol.

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— Senator Angela Paxton (@AngelaPaxtonTX) September 22, 2023

“I wish I could claim credit for instigating the investigation of @KenPaxtonTX,” Karl Rove says. “But that honor goes to Ken Paxton… the guy can’t keep his zipper up.” pic.twitter.com/0xCNyj55U5

— Ryan Chandler (@RyanChandlerTV) September 22, 2023

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Hopefully the Texas AG sees the handwriting on the wall and eventually steps aside for another Republican.

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Nope. He will view this as a license to do anything he wants. He'll be gunning for Patrick's seat next.

Horrible outcome. Patrick is an idiot.

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Yep. Winning the impeachment did make Paxton stronger, helped his chances to move up the ladder.

Paxton-phobes better hope the investigations result in convictions. If not, there's a good chance Paxton will be your next governor.

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As a lawyer here in Austin with pretty close connections to the AG's office and one of the parties Paxton had dealings with, I can tell you with certainty that if the evidence I have seen is real and what I have been told by this witness is truthful, Paxton is clearly guilty of multiple felonies. And it's not Trump-like charges, where prosecutors are attempting to charge on flimsy legal theories, but stuff that those convicted do really hard time for if you are an average person. He's done some things as a lawyer that I would be in jail for and disbarred if I had done the same.

Now, does that translate into a conviction in front a jury of his peers? Who knows? But this guy is dirty as the day is long. It would be a very bad look for the party to support his guy for any higher office, that is for sure. Any moral high ground it ever had would be completely lost. The Dems would have a field day. But perhaps it already is.

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Reasonable.

I said this on day one, and time has proven me correct: the choice to impeach at this time rather than waiting for prosecutions to undermine, if not convict Paxton.....was an enormous miscalculation. It failed. And that failure has empowered him. Further, it has put his accusers on the defense. They will have to raise more money to win primaries. Some will lose. Politically, everyone except Paxton is in a worse position today than before the day the impeachment was dropped. The money & effort to primary his accusers could/should be used to win the general in 2024, grow the house majority, etc..... But if it gets rid of some of the numbskulls in the House who drove this process and forces Phelan into a fight for his political life, it will teach an important lesson about political judgment - do not impeach a very popular member of your own party unless you have the goods and the votes (they didn't), and make damned sure you do the process exceedingly deliberately, carefully, etc... (they woefully did not.) Real novices, our house leadership. They completely misread the landscape and virtue postured rather than making cold, hard political judgments.

You should call your house reps and demand Phelan step down as speaker. He's incompetent. If Paxton really is as dirty as you posted above, a capable Speaker of the House should have nailed him to the wall.

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I am not sure at this point Republicans care that Paxton is dirty, as I alluded to in my prior post. While our policies are better, certainly, and more in line with traditional Judeo-Christian ethics, we don't appear to really care whether the candidate is a bad person anymore.

I think at this point we can only run on policy, and the moral high ground inherent therein. Our candidates, at least morally speaking, don't appear to be any better in their personal lives than Democrats.

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I agree. The voters do not care. So…..

And then there's ARFR #6: "a good tactic is one your supporters enjoy." Ballsy.

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— Senator Angela Paxton (@AngelaPaxtonTX) September 22, 2023

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And that's a good thing. We don't need pieces of **** running for higher office.

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You may well be correct. And we should let that process play out. In the meantime, we have problems to fix in the house. I am encouraged that LtGov Patrick agrees with me.

My response to Speaker @DadePhelan op-ed in the @BmtEnterprise:

Dade Phelan orchestrated the House process from the outset. Phelan believed if the Senate convicts, the House was right - if the Senate acquits, then the Senate is corrupt.
 
The full House heard the House General…

— Dan Patrick (@DanPatrick) September 22, 2023

Paxton calling out people for embarrassing conduct

In May, I called on liberal Speaker Dade Phelan to resign after he was recorded numerous times presiding over the Texas House in a state of apparent debilitating intoxication. Despite this embarrassing conduct, & his continuing erratic behavior, Phelan has refused to resign. He…

— Attorney General Ken Paxton (@KenPaxtonTX) September 23, 2023

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Paxton calling out people for embarrassing conduct

In May, I called on liberal Speaker Dade Phelan to resign after he was recorded numerous times presiding over the Texas House in a state of apparent debilitating intoxication. Despite this embarrassing conduct, & his continuing erratic behavior, Phelan has refused to resign. He…

— Attorney General Ken Paxton (@KenPaxtonTX) September 23, 2023

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Like being called "ugly" by a frog

.@TexasGOP State Republican Executive Committee passes resolution calling for @DadePhelan’s resignation, 58-2 #txlege

— Patrick Svitek (@PatrickSvitek) September 23, 2023

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.@TexasGOP State Republican Executive Committee passes resolution calling for @DadePhelan’s resignation, 58-2 #txlege

— Patrick Svitek (@PatrickSvitek) September 23, 2023

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What does the Speaker do in between regular sessions?

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.@TexasGOP State Republican Executive Committee passes resolution calling for @DadePhelan’s resignation, 58-2 #txlege

— Patrick Svitek (@PatrickSvitek) September 23, 2023

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.@TexasGOP State Republican Executive Committee passes resolution calling for @DadePhelan’s resignation, 58-2 #txlege

— Patrick Svitek (@PatrickSvitek) September 23, 2023

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What does the Speaker do in between regular sessions?

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Drink. I'd be a drunk too if I had to put up with Patrick and his flock of fools.

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.@TexasGOP State Republican Executive Committee passes resolution calling for @DadePhelan’s resignation, 58-2 #txlege

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you folks who were certain that you had Paxton dead to rights on multiple felonies should be leading the charge to replace Phelan, who from start to finish manifestly botched what should have been a very easy, straightforward job. I mean, Paxton is so obviously a crook, and all his supporters are religious rubes, right? So what kind of knucklehead does it take to have failed at something that should have been so easy?

(or, maybe the reason Phelan is incompetent is because he cracked off prematurely on a half-baked process that was devoid of cold, hard evidence and full of procedural deficiencies, then hired the a team of attorneys whose effort fell well short of their reputations....or perhaps they just had a terrible case to argue. Either way, it all goes back to Phelan's utter lack of political acumen, does it not?)

Phelan filled his nest with excrement, stuck candles in it, and called it a cake.
The Senate threw it back in his face, so now he's whining.
The dude does not even rise to the level of bush league (no pun intended).
He gotta go.

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.@TexasGOP State Republican Executive Committee passes resolution calling for @DadePhelan’s resignation, 58-2 #txlege

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you folks who were certain that you had Paxton dead to rights on multiple felonies should be leading the charge to replace Phelan, who from start to finish manifestly botched what should have been a very easy, straightforward job. I mean, Paxton is so obviously a crook, and all his supporters are religious rubes, right? So what kind of knucklehead does it take to have failed at something that should have been so easy?

(or, maybe the reason Phelan is incompetent is because he cracked off prematurely on a half-baked process that was devoid of cold, hard evidence and full of procedural deficiencies, then hired the a team of attorneys whose effort fell well short of their reputations....or perhaps they just had a terrible case to argue. Either way, it all goes back to Phelan's utter lack of political acumen, does it not?)

Phelan filled his nest with excrement, stuck candles in it, and called it a cake.
The Senate threw it back in his face, so now he's whining.
The dude does not even rise to the level of bush league (no pun intended).
He gotta go.

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Senate got to 20 votes to convict, 1 vote shy .
75% of Republican House members voted to impeach.

The criminal justice system isn't through with Paxton. I hear Nate Paul is in negotiations with the feds & the mistress will be a witness for the prosecution

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.@TexasGOP State Republican Executive Committee passes resolution calling for @DadePhelan’s resignation, 58-2 #txlege

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you folks who were certain that you had Paxton dead to rights on multiple felonies should be leading the charge to replace Phelan, who from start to finish manifestly botched what should have been a very easy, straightforward job. I mean, Paxton is so obviously a crook, and all his supporters are religious rubes, right? So what kind of knucklehead does it take to have failed at something that should have been so easy?

(or, maybe the reason Phelan is incompetent is because he cracked off prematurely on a half-baked process that was devoid of cold, hard evidence and full of procedural deficiencies, then hired the a team of attorneys whose effort fell well short of their reputations....or perhaps they just had a terrible case to argue. Either way, it all goes back to Phelan's utter lack of political acumen, does it not?)

Phelan filled his nest with excrement, stuck candles in it, and called it a cake.
The Senate threw it back in his face, so now he's whining.
The dude does not even rise to the level of bush league (no pun intended).
He gotta go.

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Senate got to 20 votes to convict, 1 vote shy .
75% of Republican House members voted to impeach.

The criminal justice system isn't through with Paxton. I hear Nate Paul is in negotiations with the feds & the mistress will be a witness for the prosecution

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LOL got 20 votes in caucus, allegedly (not hardly.)

Let the criminal justice system do its thing to Paxton. If/when he's convicted before he leaves office, the vote to impeach and convict will be unanimous. I will support it. Until then, you can scheme with Democrats and/or engage in all the self-flagellation you want to show everyone how much better of a person you are than Republicans. It's not accomplishing very much at all, except to show the people doing actual work who to steer clear of.

By the way, have Democrats started their impeachment of Sen. Menendez yet?

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you folks who were certain that you had Paxton dead to rights on multiple felonies should be leading the charge to replace Phelan, who from start to finish manifestly botched what should have been a very easy, straightforward job. I mean, Paxton is so obviously a crook, and all his supporters are religious rubes, right? So what kind of knucklehead does it take to have failed at something that should have been so easy?

(or, maybe the reason Phelan is incompetent is because he cracked off prematurely on a half-baked process that was devoid of cold, hard evidence and full of procedural deficiencies, then hired the a team of attorneys whose effort fell well short of their reputations....or perhaps they just had a terrible case to argue. Either way, it all goes back to Phelan's utter lack of political acumen, does it not?)

Phelan filled his nest with excrement, stuck candles in it, and called it a cake.
The Senate threw it back in his face, so now he's whining.
The dude does not even rise to the level of bush league (no pun intended).
He gotta go.

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Senate got to 20 votes to convict, 1 vote shy .
75% of Republican House members voted to impeach.

The criminal justice system isn't through with Paxton. I hear Nate Paul is in negotiations with the feds & the mistress will be a witness for the prosecution

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LOL got 20 votes in caucus, allegedly (not hardly.)

Let the criminal justice system do its thing to Paxton. If/when he's convicted before he leaves office, the vote to impeach and convict will be unanimous. I will support it. Until then, you can scheme with Democrats and/or engage in all the self-flagellation you want to show everyone how much better of a person you are than Republicans. It's not accomplishing very much at all, except to show the people doing actual work who to steer clear of.

By the way, have Democrats started their impeachment of Sen. Menendez yet?

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When Paxton is convicted, will you apologize to Phelan?

Regarding Menendez, he is as big of a disgrace as Paxton (but without the Bible verses). He should resign today.

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.@TexasGOP State Republican Executive Committee passes resolution calling for @DadePhelan’s resignation, 58-2 #txlege

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you folks who were certain that you had Paxton dead to rights on multiple felonies should be leading the charge to replace Phelan, who from start to finish manifestly botched what should have been a very easy, straightforward job. I mean, Paxton is so obviously a crook, and all his supporters are religious rubes, right? So what kind of knucklehead does it take to have failed at something that should have been so easy?

(or, maybe the reason Phelan is incompetent is because he cracked off prematurely on a half-baked process that was devoid of cold, hard evidence and full of procedural deficiencies, then hired the a team of attorneys whose effort fell well short of their reputations....or perhaps they just had a terrible case to argue. Either way, it all goes back to Phelan's utter lack of political acumen, does it not?)

Phelan filled his nest with excrement, stuck candles in it, and called it a cake.
The Senate threw it back in his face, so now he's whining.
The dude does not even rise to the level of bush league (no pun intended).
He gotta go.

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Senate got to 20 votes to convict, 1 vote shy .
75% of Republican House members voted to impeach.

The criminal justice system isn't through with Paxton. I hear Nate Paul is in negotiations with the feds & the mistress will be a witness for the prosecution

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Sure, but how long until you succumb to the "DOJ is weaponized against conservatives" narratives, and call it illegitimate?

How has Paxton managed to drag out this criminal charge in Houston? Six years and counting. Are his lawyers that successful or is this the snail pace of Federal cases, unless you're a famous person

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.@TexasGOP State Republican Executive Committee passes resolution calling for @DadePhelan’s resignation, 58-2 #txlege

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you folks who were certain that you had Paxton dead to rights on multiple felonies should be leading the charge to replace Phelan, who from start to finish manifestly botched what should have been a very easy, straightforward job. I mean, Paxton is so obviously a crook, and all his supporters are religious rubes, right? So what kind of knucklehead does it take to have failed at something that should have been so easy?

(or, maybe the reason Phelan is incompetent is because he cracked off prematurely on a half-baked process that was devoid of cold, hard evidence and full of procedural deficiencies, then hired the a team of attorneys whose effort fell well short of their reputations....or perhaps they just had a terrible case to argue. Either way, it all goes back to Phelan's utter lack of political acumen, does it not?)

Phelan filled his nest with excrement, stuck candles in it, and called it a cake.
The Senate threw it back in his face, so now he's whining.
The dude does not even rise to the level of bush league (no pun intended).
He gotta go.

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Senate got to 20 votes to convict, 1 vote shy .
75% of Republican House members voted to impeach.

The criminal justice system isn't through with Paxton. I hear Nate Paul is in negotiations with the feds & the mistress will be a witness for the prosecution

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LOL got 20 votes in caucus, allegedly (not hardly.)

Let the criminal justice system do its thing to Paxton. If/when he's convicted before he leaves office, the vote to impeach and convict will be unanimous. I will support it. Until then, you can scheme with Democrats and/or engage in all the self-flagellation you want to show everyone how much better of a person you are than Republicans. It's not accomplishing very much at all, except to show the people doing actual work who to steer clear of.

By the way, have Democrats started their impeachment of Sen. Menendez yet?

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When Paxton is convicted, will you apologize to Phelan?

Regarding Menendez, he is as big of a disgrace as Paxton (but without the Bible verses). He should resign today.

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Absolutely not. To the extent you believe Paxton is guilty, you should be outraged at Phelan's incompetence. His efforts to impeach Paxton will be textbook "how not to" for all future impeachments. Phelan shouldn't have done any impeachment at all until Paxton was convicted. Such would have at that point been pro-forma, uncontentious. By jumping the gun, he badly divided the party. That's what GOP moderates do.....divide the party, constantly warring with the conservative base rather than Democrats.

the reported details on Menendez are indeed damning. But there were damning allegations against him before, and he beat them. Doesn't sound like it will be easy this time, but then, there is a lot we don't yet know. In the meantime, we can use the stuff we know to beat up on Democrats and their "culture of corruption." It is politics, you know. The question for you is, are you going to continue to stew over Paxton, or are you going to launch into Menendez as earnestly as you did Paxton? (I'm guessing not, because you only seem to have arrows for conservatives).

Your sensibilities here are not at all sensible. You would have a political system in which events are dictated by allegations alone, where the seriousness of the charges matter more than the facts.

Due process matters, even for politicians.

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— Patrick Svitek (@PatrickSvitek) September 23, 2023

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you folks who were certain that you had Paxton dead to rights on multiple felonies should be leading the charge to replace Phelan, who from start to finish manifestly botched what should have been a very easy, straightforward job. I mean, Paxton is so obviously a crook, and all his supporters are religious rubes, right? So what kind of knucklehead does it take to have failed at something that should have been so easy?

(or, maybe the reason Phelan is incompetent is because he cracked off prematurely on a half-baked process that was devoid of cold, hard evidence and full of procedural deficiencies, then hired the a team of attorneys whose effort fell well short of their reputations....or perhaps they just had a terrible case to argue. Either way, it all goes back to Phelan's utter lack of political acumen, does it not?)

Phelan filled his nest with excrement, stuck candles in it, and called it a cake.
The Senate threw it back in his face, so now he's whining.
The dude does not even rise to the level of bush league (no pun intended).
He gotta go.

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Senate got to 20 votes to convict, 1 vote shy .
75% of Republican House members voted to impeach.

The criminal justice system isn't through with Paxton. I hear Nate Paul is in negotiations with the feds & the mistress will be a witness for the prosecution

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LOL got 20 votes in caucus, allegedly (not hardly.)

Let the criminal justice system do its thing to Paxton. If/when he's convicted before he leaves office, the vote to impeach and convict will be unanimous. I will support it. Until then, you can scheme with Democrats and/or engage in all the self-flagellation you want to show everyone how much better of a person you are than Republicans. It's not accomplishing very much at all, except to show the people doing actual work who to steer clear of.

By the way, have Democrats started their impeachment of Sen. Menendez yet?

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When Paxton is convicted, will you apologize to Phelan?

Regarding Menendez, he is as big of a disgrace as Paxton (but without the Bible verses). He should resign today.

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Absolutely not. To the extent you believe Paxton is guilty, you should be outraged at Phelan's incompetence. His efforts to impeach Paxton will be textbook "how not to" for all future impeachments. Phelan shouldn't have done any impeachment at all until Paxton was convicted. Such would have at that point been pro-forma, uncontentious. By jumping the gun, he badly divided the party. That's what GOP moderates do.....divide the party, constantly warring with the conservative base rather than Democrats.

the reported details on Menendez are indeed damning. But there were damning allegations against him before, and he beat them. Doesn't sound like it will be easy this time, but then, there is a lot we don't yet know. In the meantime, we can use the stuff we know to beat up on Democrats and their "culture of corruption." It is politics, you know. The question for you is, are you going to continue to stew over Paxton, or are you going to launch into Menendez as earnestly as you did Paxton? (I'm guessing not, because you only seem to have arrows for conservatives).

Your sensibilities here are not at all sensible. You would have a political system in which events are dictated by allegations alone, where the seriousness of the charges matter more than the facts.

Due process matters, even for politicians.

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Very swampy of you.
Speaking of culture of corruption. The Paxton culture of corruption follows the Trump playbook. Now you defend Menendez using the same playbook. How do y'all go after Menendez when you defend Paxton/Trump? How do you ask for time for Paxton due process & in the next sentence condemn Hunter & Joe? You're tying yourself in knots defending corruption

Phelan and 75% of House members took a stand against corruption.

Your war is Populism (Trumpism) vs Conservatism.

Well, Trump has had due process. What do y'all think

NEW YORK (AP) A judge has ruled that Donald Trump committed fraud for years while building the real estate empire that catapulted him to fame and the White House.
Judge Arthur Engoron, ruling Tuesday in a civil lawsuit brought by New York's attorney general, found that the former president and his company deceived banks, insurers and others by massively overvaluing his assets and exaggerating his net worth on paperwork used in making deals and securing financing.

The decision, days before the start of a non-jury trial in Attorney General Letitia James' lawsuit, is the strongest repudiation yet of Trump's carefully coiffed image as a wealthy and shrewd real estate mogul turned political powerhouse.
Beyond mere bragging about his riches, Trump, his company and key executives repeatedly lied about them on his annual financial statements, reaping rewards such as favorable loan terms and lower insurance premiums, Engoron found.