Indignant anger from Porteroso. Channeling your inner Biden, I see. But is it Hunter or Joe you are emulating?Porteroso said:Oldbear83 said:
Irony: Porteroso accusing someone else of not having a moral compass.
Provide 1 example you imbecile.
Oldbear83 said:Indignant anger from Porteroso. Channeling your inner Biden, I see. But is it Hunter or Joe you are emulating?Porteroso said:Oldbear83 said:
Irony: Porteroso accusing someone else of not having a moral compass.
Provide 1 example you imbecile.
"Double secret impeachment process" happened over a couple of months in public meetings held by the Texas House in meetings that were posted in advance.whiterock said:LOL virtue posturing by people who support double-secret impeachment processes.quash said:Osodecentx said:whiterock said:yep. now every member of the GOP coalition will face insurgent primary challenges from the right. Most of those will lose, but will draw off funds that could be used elsewhere.Osodecentx said:FYIQuote:Phelan apparently thinks so, and he's seeking every opportunity to diminish himself.Quote:Wouldn't that make Paxton/Patrick the pigs? I can see itQuote:[url=https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/43033-never-wrestle-with-pigs-you-both-get-dirty-and-the][/url]Here's the advice you should give to your pit yorkie Phelan:Quote:Quote:But in practice, that has not been strictly enforced.Quote:As usual, there is more to the story than you post:Quote:
Your buddy Phelan is making a far bigger arse of himself.This is outrageous.
— Matt Mackowiak (@MattMackowiak) October 27, 2023
He is the duly elected AG of Texas.https://t.co/2ZQz5OW0IT#txlege
In response to Toth's claims, Cait Wittman, the spokeswoman for Speaker Phelan, posted a picture of the House rules that Toth had voted to pass earlier this year.
In the section regarding who has privileges on the House floor, the rules allow only House members and select staff, Senate members and select staff, the governor and select staff, the lieutenant governor, the secretary of state, accredited media, certain election contestants, and family members of members "on such special occasions as may be determined."
The attorney general is not specifically listed as someone who has privileges to be on the House floor.
A strong leader would have avoided the trap, let it pass until the end of the day, then pulled aside the members who extended the invitation, explained the rules, told them not do it again or face sanction and then followed up with instructions to House Security staff to not allow floor entry to any other state official not on the privilege list.
But Phelan couldn't resist. Picked the confrontation as offered. Looks the smaller man.
(which of course, he is....)
Dude is a little leaguer.....
I forgot rules (&laws) don't apply to Paxton
"Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
Juries can take care of Paxton, if needed. The voters can take care of Paxton, if needed. What we need most is House leadership who can move on from a mistake (an exceedingly poorly calculated and executed impeachment process) and get to the business of enacting GOP platform items into law, instead of engaging in distraction ploys to stop the school choice issue. Dude has made an enemy of every other statewide elected official and some very large donors, purely to satisfy the other side of the aisle.
November 2, 2023
Former Harris County GOP Chairman Jared Woodfill set to announce challenge to Rep. Lacey Hull and he intends to run for Speaker
A fundraiser invitation distributed by Dr. Steve Hotze says the announcement will be later this month
like I said, Phelan hanging his caucus out to dry. Will force him to raise money to defend them. Uber divisive dude, Phelan.
Phelan = integrity
Paxton is crooked
Exactly.
You guys are running candidates against good people just to intimidate them into ignoring a public official's criminal activity. Then you call a guy "uber divisive" for fighting corruption.whiterock said:yep. now every member of the GOP coalition will face insurgent primary challenges from the right. Most of those will lose, but will draw off funds that could be used elsewhere.Osodecentx said:FYIQuote:Phelan apparently thinks so, and he's seeking every opportunity to diminish himself.Quote:Wouldn't that make Paxton/Patrick the pigs? I can see itQuote:[url=https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/43033-never-wrestle-with-pigs-you-both-get-dirty-and-the][/url]Here's the advice you should give to your pit yorkie Phelan:Quote:Quote:But in practice, that has not been strictly enforced.Quote:As usual, there is more to the story than you post:Quote:
Your buddy Phelan is making a far bigger arse of himself.This is outrageous.
— Matt Mackowiak (@MattMackowiak) October 27, 2023
He is the duly elected AG of Texas.https://t.co/2ZQz5OW0IT#txlege
In response to Toth's claims, Cait Wittman, the spokeswoman for Speaker Phelan, posted a picture of the House rules that Toth had voted to pass earlier this year.
In the section regarding who has privileges on the House floor, the rules allow only House members and select staff, Senate members and select staff, the governor and select staff, the lieutenant governor, the secretary of state, accredited media, certain election contestants, and family members of members "on such special occasions as may be determined."
The attorney general is not specifically listed as someone who has privileges to be on the House floor.
A strong leader would have avoided the trap, let it pass until the end of the day, then pulled aside the members who extended the invitation, explained the rules, told them not do it again or face sanction and then followed up with instructions to House Security staff to not allow floor entry to any other state official not on the privilege list.
But Phelan couldn't resist. Picked the confrontation as offered. Looks the smaller man.
(which of course, he is....)
Dude is a little leaguer.....
I forgot rules (&laws) don't apply to Paxton
"Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
Juries can take care of Paxton, if needed. The voters can take care of Paxton, if needed. What we need most is House leadership who can move on from a mistake (an exceedingly poorly calculated and executed impeachment process) and get to the business of enacting GOP platform items into law, instead of engaging in distraction ploys to stop the school choice issue. Dude has made an enemy of every other statewide elected official and some very large donors, purely to satisfy the other side of the aisle.
November 2, 2023
Former Harris County GOP Chairman Jared Woodfill set to announce challenge to Rep. Lacey Hull and he intends to run for Speaker
A fundraiser invitation distributed by Dr. Steve Hotze says the announcement will be later this month
like I said, Phelan hanging his caucus out to dry. Will force him to raise money to defend them. Uber divisive dude, Phelan.
Ken - in the interest of transparency — I look forward to you appearing before the Texas House Judiciary Committee very soon to discuss the operations of the OAG.
— Jeff Leach (@leachfortexas) November 15, 2023
We have legislative jurisdiction over your agency. We’ve invited you to testify for years and yet you haven’t… https://t.co/uVgQx9E347
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton is fighting the state bar's attempt to discipline him over his failed — and widely criticized — attempt to overturn the 2020 presidential election results in four other states. https://t.co/nYwelueZSj
— Texas Tribune (@TexasTribune) November 15, 2023
most certainly was secret in the House. Done in committee, without open hearings, without swearing in of witnesses, etc.... The procedural irregularities were, short of very large smoking guns, enough by themselves to justify voting against the impeachment.quash said:whiterock said:LOL virtue posturing by people who support double-secret impeachment processes. Where are those granite countertops, boys?quash said:Osodecentx said:whiterock said:yep. now every member of the GOP coalition will face insurgent primary challenges from the right. Most of those will lose, but will draw off funds that could be used elsewhere.Osodecentx said:FYIQuote:Phelan apparently thinks so, and he's seeking every opportunity to diminish himself.Quote:Wouldn't that make Paxton/Patrick the pigs? I can see itQuote:[url=https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/43033-never-wrestle-with-pigs-you-both-get-dirty-and-the][/url]Here's the advice you should give to your pit yorkie Phelan:Quote:Quote:But in practice, that has not been strictly enforced.Quote:As usual, there is more to the story than you post:Quote:
Your buddy Phelan is making a far bigger arse of himself.This is outrageous.
— Matt Mackowiak (@MattMackowiak) October 27, 2023
He is the duly elected AG of Texas.https://t.co/2ZQz5OW0IT#txlege
In response to Toth's claims, Cait Wittman, the spokeswoman for Speaker Phelan, posted a picture of the House rules that Toth had voted to pass earlier this year.
In the section regarding who has privileges on the House floor, the rules allow only House members and select staff, Senate members and select staff, the governor and select staff, the lieutenant governor, the secretary of state, accredited media, certain election contestants, and family members of members "on such special occasions as may be determined."
The attorney general is not specifically listed as someone who has privileges to be on the House floor.
A strong leader would have avoided the trap, let it pass until the end of the day, then pulled aside the members who extended the invitation, explained the rules, told them not do it again or face sanction and then followed up with instructions to House Security staff to not allow floor entry to any other state official not on the privilege list.
But Phelan couldn't resist. Picked the confrontation as offered. Looks the smaller man.
(which of course, he is....)
Dude is a little leaguer.....
I forgot rules (&laws) don't apply to Paxton
"Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
Juries can take care of Paxton, if needed. The voters can take care of Paxton, if needed. What we need most is House leadership who can move on from a mistake (an exceedingly poorly calculated and executed impeachment process) and get to the business of enacting GOP platform items into law, instead of engaging in distraction ploys to stop the school choice issue. Dude has made an enemy of every other statewide elected official and some very large donors, purely to satisfy the other side of the aisle.
November 2, 2023
Former Harris County GOP Chairman Jared Woodfill set to announce challenge to Rep. Lacey Hull and he intends to run for Speaker
A fundraiser invitation distributed by Dr. Steve Hotze says the announcement will be later this month
like I said, Phelan hanging his caucus out to dry. Will force him to raise money to defend them. Uber divisive dude, Phelan.
Phelan = integrity
Paxton is crooked
Exactly.
Y'all are defending abuse of power by Speaker, purely for political power.
https://thefederalist.com/2023/10/31/texas-republicans-failed-impeachment-of-ken-paxton-offers-a-glimpse-into-the-gops-intra-party-feuds/
Nothing secret about the process, not even the buy-off of the Lite Guv.
A lot of those "good people" apparently voted for the impeachment without having actually read it, because it was a really, really shoddy process that produced a really, really shoddy case. And a lot of those "good people" are refusing to vote for issues in special session that are on the party platform and enjoy majority support in the public. It is entirely appropriate for them to face primary challenges when they act that way. It's called accountability. Most of them will of course win, but they're going to have to work harder to do so. If they'd voted for the the things they promised their constituents they'd do, they probably would have no challenger at all. It's the way the system is supposed to work. You attack your base, your base will fight back....Osodecentx said:You guys are running candidates against good people just to intimidate them into ignoring a public official's criminal activity. Then you call a guy "uber divisive" for fighting corruption.whiterock said:yep. now every member of the GOP coalition will face insurgent primary challenges from the right. Most of those will lose, but will draw off funds that could be used elsewhere.Osodecentx said:FYIQuote:Phelan apparently thinks so, and he's seeking every opportunity to diminish himself.Quote:Wouldn't that make Paxton/Patrick the pigs? I can see itQuote:[url=https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/43033-never-wrestle-with-pigs-you-both-get-dirty-and-the][/url]Here's the advice you should give to your pit yorkie Phelan:Quote:Quote:But in practice, that has not been strictly enforced.Quote:As usual, there is more to the story than you post:Quote:
Your buddy Phelan is making a far bigger arse of himself.This is outrageous.
— Matt Mackowiak (@MattMackowiak) October 27, 2023
He is the duly elected AG of Texas.https://t.co/2ZQz5OW0IT#txlege
In response to Toth's claims, Cait Wittman, the spokeswoman for Speaker Phelan, posted a picture of the House rules that Toth had voted to pass earlier this year.
In the section regarding who has privileges on the House floor, the rules allow only House members and select staff, Senate members and select staff, the governor and select staff, the lieutenant governor, the secretary of state, accredited media, certain election contestants, and family members of members "on such special occasions as may be determined."
The attorney general is not specifically listed as someone who has privileges to be on the House floor.
A strong leader would have avoided the trap, let it pass until the end of the day, then pulled aside the members who extended the invitation, explained the rules, told them not do it again or face sanction and then followed up with instructions to House Security staff to not allow floor entry to any other state official not on the privilege list.
But Phelan couldn't resist. Picked the confrontation as offered. Looks the smaller man.
(which of course, he is....)
Dude is a little leaguer.....
I forgot rules (&laws) don't apply to Paxton
"Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
Juries can take care of Paxton, if needed. The voters can take care of Paxton, if needed. What we need most is House leadership who can move on from a mistake (an exceedingly poorly calculated and executed impeachment process) and get to the business of enacting GOP platform items into law, instead of engaging in distraction ploys to stop the school choice issue. Dude has made an enemy of every other statewide elected official and some very large donors, purely to satisfy the other side of the aisle.
November 2, 2023
Former Harris County GOP Chairman Jared Woodfill set to announce challenge to Rep. Lacey Hull and he intends to run for Speaker
A fundraiser invitation distributed by Dr. Steve Hotze says the announcement will be later this month
like I said, Phelan hanging his caucus out to dry. Will force him to raise money to defend them. Uber divisive dude, Phelan.
Republicans don't like being in the majority
Are you a political consultant for Paxton?whiterock said:A lot of those "good people" apparently voted for the impeachment without having actually read it, because it was a really, really shoddy process that produced a really, really shoddy case. And a lot of those "good people" are refusing to vote for issues in special session that are on the party platform and enjoy majority support in the public. It is entirely appropriate for them to face primary challenges when they act that way. It's called accountability. Most of them will of course win, but they're going to have to work harder to do so. If they'd voted for the the things they promised their constituents they'd do, they probably would have no challenger at all. It's the way the system is supposed to work. You attack your base, your base will fight back....Osodecentx said:You guys are running candidates against good people just to intimidate them into ignoring a public official's criminal activity. Then you call a guy "uber divisive" for fighting corruption.whiterock said:yep. now every member of the GOP coalition will face insurgent primary challenges from the right. Most of those will lose, but will draw off funds that could be used elsewhere.Osodecentx said:FYIQuote:Phelan apparently thinks so, and he's seeking every opportunity to diminish himself.Quote:Wouldn't that make Paxton/Patrick the pigs? I can see itQuote:[url=https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/43033-never-wrestle-with-pigs-you-both-get-dirty-and-the][/url]Here's the advice you should give to your pit yorkie Phelan:Quote:Quote:But in practice, that has not been strictly enforced.Quote:As usual, there is more to the story than you post:Quote:
Your buddy Phelan is making a far bigger arse of himself.This is outrageous.
— Matt Mackowiak (@MattMackowiak) October 27, 2023
He is the duly elected AG of Texas.https://t.co/2ZQz5OW0IT#txlege
In response to Toth's claims, Cait Wittman, the spokeswoman for Speaker Phelan, posted a picture of the House rules that Toth had voted to pass earlier this year.
In the section regarding who has privileges on the House floor, the rules allow only House members and select staff, Senate members and select staff, the governor and select staff, the lieutenant governor, the secretary of state, accredited media, certain election contestants, and family members of members "on such special occasions as may be determined."
The attorney general is not specifically listed as someone who has privileges to be on the House floor.
A strong leader would have avoided the trap, let it pass until the end of the day, then pulled aside the members who extended the invitation, explained the rules, told them not do it again or face sanction and then followed up with instructions to House Security staff to not allow floor entry to any other state official not on the privilege list.
But Phelan couldn't resist. Picked the confrontation as offered. Looks the smaller man.
(which of course, he is....)
Dude is a little leaguer.....
I forgot rules (&laws) don't apply to Paxton
"Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
Juries can take care of Paxton, if needed. The voters can take care of Paxton, if needed. What we need most is House leadership who can move on from a mistake (an exceedingly poorly calculated and executed impeachment process) and get to the business of enacting GOP platform items into law, instead of engaging in distraction ploys to stop the school choice issue. Dude has made an enemy of every other statewide elected official and some very large donors, purely to satisfy the other side of the aisle.
November 2, 2023
Former Harris County GOP Chairman Jared Woodfill set to announce challenge to Rep. Lacey Hull and he intends to run for Speaker
A fundraiser invitation distributed by Dr. Steve Hotze says the announcement will be later this month
like I said, Phelan hanging his caucus out to dry. Will force him to raise money to defend them. Uber divisive dude, Phelan.
Republicans don't like being in the majority
Phelan has relentlessly attacked the rest of the GOP since the impeachment failed, instead of taking care of business in special session to pass legislation that has broad public support. It's almost like he's a Democrat (hint, hint....)
No, but I've talked to two House reps in the last couple of weeks, one who voted for impeachment, one who voted against, and they both tell the same story. Phelan assured everyone he had the goods. He didn't.Osodecentx said:Are you a political consultant for Paxton?whiterock said:A lot of those "good people" apparently voted for the impeachment without having actually read it, because it was a really, really shoddy process that produced a really, really shoddy case. And a lot of those "good people" are refusing to vote for issues in special session that are on the party platform and enjoy majority support in the public. It is entirely appropriate for them to face primary challenges when they act that way. It's called accountability. Most of them will of course win, but they're going to have to work harder to do so. If they'd voted for the the things they promised their constituents they'd do, they probably would have no challenger at all. It's the way the system is supposed to work. You attack your base, your base will fight back....Osodecentx said:You guys are running candidates against good people just to intimidate them into ignoring a public official's criminal activity. Then you call a guy "uber divisive" for fighting corruption.whiterock said:yep. now every member of the GOP coalition will face insurgent primary challenges from the right. Most of those will lose, but will draw off funds that could be used elsewhere.Osodecentx said:FYIQuote:Phelan apparently thinks so, and he's seeking every opportunity to diminish himself.Quote:Wouldn't that make Paxton/Patrick the pigs? I can see itQuote:[url=https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/43033-never-wrestle-with-pigs-you-both-get-dirty-and-the][/url]Here's the advice you should give to your pit yorkie Phelan:Quote:Quote:But in practice, that has not been strictly enforced.Quote:As usual, there is more to the story than you post:Quote:
Your buddy Phelan is making a far bigger arse of himself.This is outrageous.
— Matt Mackowiak (@MattMackowiak) October 27, 2023
He is the duly elected AG of Texas.https://t.co/2ZQz5OW0IT#txlege
In response to Toth's claims, Cait Wittman, the spokeswoman for Speaker Phelan, posted a picture of the House rules that Toth had voted to pass earlier this year.
In the section regarding who has privileges on the House floor, the rules allow only House members and select staff, Senate members and select staff, the governor and select staff, the lieutenant governor, the secretary of state, accredited media, certain election contestants, and family members of members "on such special occasions as may be determined."
The attorney general is not specifically listed as someone who has privileges to be on the House floor.
A strong leader would have avoided the trap, let it pass until the end of the day, then pulled aside the members who extended the invitation, explained the rules, told them not do it again or face sanction and then followed up with instructions to House Security staff to not allow floor entry to any other state official not on the privilege list.
But Phelan couldn't resist. Picked the confrontation as offered. Looks the smaller man.
(which of course, he is....)
Dude is a little leaguer.....
I forgot rules (&laws) don't apply to Paxton
"Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
Juries can take care of Paxton, if needed. The voters can take care of Paxton, if needed. What we need most is House leadership who can move on from a mistake (an exceedingly poorly calculated and executed impeachment process) and get to the business of enacting GOP platform items into law, instead of engaging in distraction ploys to stop the school choice issue. Dude has made an enemy of every other statewide elected official and some very large donors, purely to satisfy the other side of the aisle.
November 2, 2023
Former Harris County GOP Chairman Jared Woodfill set to announce challenge to Rep. Lacey Hull and he intends to run for Speaker
A fundraiser invitation distributed by Dr. Steve Hotze says the announcement will be later this month
like I said, Phelan hanging his caucus out to dry. Will force him to raise money to defend them. Uber divisive dude, Phelan.
Republicans don't like being in the majority
Phelan has relentlessly attacked the rest of the GOP since the impeachment failed, instead of taking care of business in special session to pass legislation that has broad public support. It's almost like he's a Democrat (hint, hint....)
whiterock said:No, but I've talked to two House reps in the last couple of weeks, one who voted for impeachment, one who voted against, and they both tell the same story. Phelan assured everyone he had the goods. He didn't.Osodecentx said:Are you a political consultant for Paxton?whiterock said:A lot of those "good people" apparently voted for the impeachment without having actually read it, because it was a really, really shoddy process that produced a really, really shoddy case. And a lot of those "good people" are refusing to vote for issues in special session that are on the party platform and enjoy majority support in the public. It is entirely appropriate for them to face primary challenges when they act that way. It's called accountability. Most of them will of course win, but they're going to have to work harder to do so. If they'd voted for the the things they promised their constituents they'd do, they probably would have no challenger at all. It's the way the system is supposed to work. You attack your base, your base will fight back....Osodecentx said:You guys are running candidates against good people just to intimidate them into ignoring a public official's criminal activity. Then you call a guy "uber divisive" for fighting corruption.whiterock said:yep. now every member of the GOP coalition will face insurgent primary challenges from the right. Most of those will lose, but will draw off funds that could be used elsewhere.Osodecentx said:FYIQuote:Phelan apparently thinks so, and he's seeking every opportunity to diminish himself.Quote:Wouldn't that make Paxton/Patrick the pigs? I can see itQuote:[url=https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/43033-never-wrestle-with-pigs-you-both-get-dirty-and-the][/url]Here's the advice you should give to your pit yorkie Phelan:Quote:Quote:But in practice, that has not been strictly enforced.Quote:As usual, there is more to the story than you post:Quote:
Your buddy Phelan is making a far bigger arse of himself.This is outrageous.
— Matt Mackowiak (@MattMackowiak) October 27, 2023
He is the duly elected AG of Texas.https://t.co/2ZQz5OW0IT#txlege
In response to Toth's claims, Cait Wittman, the spokeswoman for Speaker Phelan, posted a picture of the House rules that Toth had voted to pass earlier this year.
In the section regarding who has privileges on the House floor, the rules allow only House members and select staff, Senate members and select staff, the governor and select staff, the lieutenant governor, the secretary of state, accredited media, certain election contestants, and family members of members "on such special occasions as may be determined."
The attorney general is not specifically listed as someone who has privileges to be on the House floor.
A strong leader would have avoided the trap, let it pass until the end of the day, then pulled aside the members who extended the invitation, explained the rules, told them not do it again or face sanction and then followed up with instructions to House Security staff to not allow floor entry to any other state official not on the privilege list.
But Phelan couldn't resist. Picked the confrontation as offered. Looks the smaller man.
(which of course, he is....)
Dude is a little leaguer.....
I forgot rules (&laws) don't apply to Paxton
"Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
Juries can take care of Paxton, if needed. The voters can take care of Paxton, if needed. What we need most is House leadership who can move on from a mistake (an exceedingly poorly calculated and executed impeachment process) and get to the business of enacting GOP platform items into law, instead of engaging in distraction ploys to stop the school choice issue. Dude has made an enemy of every other statewide elected official and some very large donors, purely to satisfy the other side of the aisle.
November 2, 2023
Former Harris County GOP Chairman Jared Woodfill set to announce challenge to Rep. Lacey Hull and he intends to run for Speaker
A fundraiser invitation distributed by Dr. Steve Hotze says the announcement will be later this month
like I said, Phelan hanging his caucus out to dry. Will force him to raise money to defend them. Uber divisive dude, Phelan.
Republicans don't like being in the majority
Phelan has relentlessly attacked the rest of the GOP since the impeachment failed, instead of taking care of business in special session to pass legislation that has broad public support. It's almost like he's a Democrat (hint, hint....)
The school choice issue is being framed by Gov as a "get out of jail" card to those who voted yes...... Phelan will try to delay the vote until after the special session, to remove that leverage from Gov. Of course, they don't get to vote on it, they don't get the get out of jail card.
Phelan's team is relentlessly attacking Republicans in social media......desperately trying to delay, stall, distract, etc....
whiterock said:No, but I've talked to two House reps in the last couple of weeks, one who voted for impeachment, one who voted against, and they both tell the same story. Phelan assured everyone he had the goods. He didn't.Osodecentx said:Are you a political consultant for Paxton?whiterock said:A lot of those "good people" apparently voted for the impeachment without having actually read it, because it was a really, really shoddy process that produced a really, really shoddy case. And a lot of those "good people" are refusing to vote for issues in special session that are on the party platform and enjoy majority support in the public. It is entirely appropriate for them to face primary challenges when they act that way. It's called accountability. Most of them will of course win, but they're going to have to work harder to do so. If they'd voted for the the things they promised their constituents they'd do, they probably would have no challenger at all. It's the way the system is supposed to work. You attack your base, your base will fight back....Osodecentx said:You guys are running candidates against good people just to intimidate them into ignoring a public official's criminal activity. Then you call a guy "uber divisive" for fighting corruption.whiterock said:yep. now every member of the GOP coalition will face insurgent primary challenges from the right. Most of those will lose, but will draw off funds that could be used elsewhere.Osodecentx said:FYIQuote:Phelan apparently thinks so, and he's seeking every opportunity to diminish himself.Quote:Wouldn't that make Paxton/Patrick the pigs? I can see itQuote:[url=https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/43033-never-wrestle-with-pigs-you-both-get-dirty-and-the][/url]Here's the advice you should give to your pit yorkie Phelan:Quote:Quote:But in practice, that has not been strictly enforced.Quote:As usual, there is more to the story than you post:Quote:
Your buddy Phelan is making a far bigger arse of himself.This is outrageous.
— Matt Mackowiak (@MattMackowiak) October 27, 2023
He is the duly elected AG of Texas.https://t.co/2ZQz5OW0IT#txlege
In response to Toth's claims, Cait Wittman, the spokeswoman for Speaker Phelan, posted a picture of the House rules that Toth had voted to pass earlier this year.
In the section regarding who has privileges on the House floor, the rules allow only House members and select staff, Senate members and select staff, the governor and select staff, the lieutenant governor, the secretary of state, accredited media, certain election contestants, and family members of members "on such special occasions as may be determined."
The attorney general is not specifically listed as someone who has privileges to be on the House floor.
A strong leader would have avoided the trap, let it pass until the end of the day, then pulled aside the members who extended the invitation, explained the rules, told them not do it again or face sanction and then followed up with instructions to House Security staff to not allow floor entry to any other state official not on the privilege list.
But Phelan couldn't resist. Picked the confrontation as offered. Looks the smaller man.
(which of course, he is....)
Dude is a little leaguer.....
I forgot rules (&laws) don't apply to Paxton
"Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
Juries can take care of Paxton, if needed. The voters can take care of Paxton, if needed. What we need most is House leadership who can move on from a mistake (an exceedingly poorly calculated and executed impeachment process) and get to the business of enacting GOP platform items into law, instead of engaging in distraction ploys to stop the school choice issue. Dude has made an enemy of every other statewide elected official and some very large donors, purely to satisfy the other side of the aisle.
November 2, 2023
Former Harris County GOP Chairman Jared Woodfill set to announce challenge to Rep. Lacey Hull and he intends to run for Speaker
A fundraiser invitation distributed by Dr. Steve Hotze says the announcement will be later this month
like I said, Phelan hanging his caucus out to dry. Will force him to raise money to defend them. Uber divisive dude, Phelan.
Republicans don't like being in the majority
Phelan has relentlessly attacked the rest of the GOP since the impeachment failed, instead of taking care of business in special session to pass legislation that has broad public support. It's almost like he's a Democrat (hint, hint....)
The school choice issue is being framed by Gov as a "get out of jail" card to those who voted yes...... Phelan will try to delay the vote until after the special session, to remove that leverage from Gov. Of course, they don't get to vote on it, they don't get the get out of jail card.
Phelan's team is relentlessly attacking Republicans in social media......desperately trying to delay, stall, distract, etc....
Regular order is a *****, huhwhiterock said:No, but I've talked to two House reps in the last couple of weeks, one who voted for impeachment, one who voted against, and they both tell the same story. Phelan assured everyone he had the goods. He didn't.Osodecentx said:Are you a political consultant for Paxton?whiterock said:A lot of those "good people" apparently voted for the impeachment without having actually read it, because it was a really, really shoddy process that produced a really, really shoddy case. And a lot of those "good people" are refusing to vote for issues in special session that are on the party platform and enjoy majority support in the public. It is entirely appropriate for them to face primary challenges when they act that way. It's called accountability. Most of them will of course win, but they're going to have to work harder to do so. If they'd voted for the the things they promised their constituents they'd do, they probably would have no challenger at all. It's the way the system is supposed to work. You attack your base, your base will fight back....Osodecentx said:You guys are running candidates against good people just to intimidate them into ignoring a public official's criminal activity. Then you call a guy "uber divisive" for fighting corruption.whiterock said:yep. now every member of the GOP coalition will face insurgent primary challenges from the right. Most of those will lose, but will draw off funds that could be used elsewhere.Osodecentx said:FYIQuote:Phelan apparently thinks so, and he's seeking every opportunity to diminish himself.Quote:Wouldn't that make Paxton/Patrick the pigs? I can see itQuote:[url=https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/43033-never-wrestle-with-pigs-you-both-get-dirty-and-the][/url]Here's the advice you should give to your pit yorkie Phelan:Quote:Quote:But in practice, that has not been strictly enforced.Quote:As usual, there is more to the story than you post:Quote:
Your buddy Phelan is making a far bigger arse of himself.This is outrageous.
— Matt Mackowiak (@MattMackowiak) October 27, 2023
He is the duly elected AG of Texas.https://t.co/2ZQz5OW0IT#txlege
In response to Toth's claims, Cait Wittman, the spokeswoman for Speaker Phelan, posted a picture of the House rules that Toth had voted to pass earlier this year.
In the section regarding who has privileges on the House floor, the rules allow only House members and select staff, Senate members and select staff, the governor and select staff, the lieutenant governor, the secretary of state, accredited media, certain election contestants, and family members of members "on such special occasions as may be determined."
The attorney general is not specifically listed as someone who has privileges to be on the House floor.
A strong leader would have avoided the trap, let it pass until the end of the day, then pulled aside the members who extended the invitation, explained the rules, told them not do it again or face sanction and then followed up with instructions to House Security staff to not allow floor entry to any other state official not on the privilege list.
But Phelan couldn't resist. Picked the confrontation as offered. Looks the smaller man.
(which of course, he is....)
Dude is a little leaguer.....
I forgot rules (&laws) don't apply to Paxton
"Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
Juries can take care of Paxton, if needed. The voters can take care of Paxton, if needed. What we need most is House leadership who can move on from a mistake (an exceedingly poorly calculated and executed impeachment process) and get to the business of enacting GOP platform items into law, instead of engaging in distraction ploys to stop the school choice issue. Dude has made an enemy of every other statewide elected official and some very large donors, purely to satisfy the other side of the aisle.
November 2, 2023
Former Harris County GOP Chairman Jared Woodfill set to announce challenge to Rep. Lacey Hull and he intends to run for Speaker
A fundraiser invitation distributed by Dr. Steve Hotze says the announcement will be later this month
like I said, Phelan hanging his caucus out to dry. Will force him to raise money to defend them. Uber divisive dude, Phelan.
Republicans don't like being in the majority
Phelan has relentlessly attacked the rest of the GOP since the impeachment failed, instead of taking care of business in special session to pass legislation that has broad public support. It's almost like he's a Democrat (hint, hint....)
The school choice issue is being framed by Gov as a "get out of jail" card to those who voted yes...... Phelan will try to delay the vote until after the special session, to remove that leverage from Gov. Of course, they don't get to vote on it, they don't get the get out of jail card.
Phelan's team is relentlessly attacking Republicans in social media......desperately trying to delay, stall, distract, etc....
whiterock said:most certainly was secret in the House. Done in committee, without open hearings, without swearing in of witnesses, etc.... The procedural irregularities were, short of very large smoking guns, enough by themselves to justify voting against the impeachment.quash said:whiterock said:LOL virtue posturing by people who support double-secret impeachment processes. Where are those granite countertops, boys?quash said:Osodecentx said:whiterock said:yep. now every member of the GOP coalition will face insurgent primary challenges from the right. Most of those will lose, but will draw off funds that could be used elsewhere.Osodecentx said:FYIQuote:Phelan apparently thinks so, and he's seeking every opportunity to diminish himself.Quote:Wouldn't that make Paxton/Patrick the pigs? I can see itQuote:[url=https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/43033-never-wrestle-with-pigs-you-both-get-dirty-and-the][/url]Here's the advice you should give to your pit yorkie Phelan:Quote:Quote:But in practice, that has not been strictly enforced.Quote:As usual, there is more to the story than you post:Quote:
Your buddy Phelan is making a far bigger arse of himself.This is outrageous.
— Matt Mackowiak (@MattMackowiak) October 27, 2023
He is the duly elected AG of Texas.https://t.co/2ZQz5OW0IT#txlege
In response to Toth's claims, Cait Wittman, the spokeswoman for Speaker Phelan, posted a picture of the House rules that Toth had voted to pass earlier this year.
In the section regarding who has privileges on the House floor, the rules allow only House members and select staff, Senate members and select staff, the governor and select staff, the lieutenant governor, the secretary of state, accredited media, certain election contestants, and family members of members "on such special occasions as may be determined."
The attorney general is not specifically listed as someone who has privileges to be on the House floor.
A strong leader would have avoided the trap, let it pass until the end of the day, then pulled aside the members who extended the invitation, explained the rules, told them not do it again or face sanction and then followed up with instructions to House Security staff to not allow floor entry to any other state official not on the privilege list.
But Phelan couldn't resist. Picked the confrontation as offered. Looks the smaller man.
(which of course, he is....)
Dude is a little leaguer.....
I forgot rules (&laws) don't apply to Paxton
"Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
Juries can take care of Paxton, if needed. The voters can take care of Paxton, if needed. What we need most is House leadership who can move on from a mistake (an exceedingly poorly calculated and executed impeachment process) and get to the business of enacting GOP platform items into law, instead of engaging in distraction ploys to stop the school choice issue. Dude has made an enemy of every other statewide elected official and some very large donors, purely to satisfy the other side of the aisle.
November 2, 2023
Former Harris County GOP Chairman Jared Woodfill set to announce challenge to Rep. Lacey Hull and he intends to run for Speaker
A fundraiser invitation distributed by Dr. Steve Hotze says the announcement will be later this month
like I said, Phelan hanging his caucus out to dry. Will force him to raise money to defend them. Uber divisive dude, Phelan.
Phelan = integrity
Paxton is crooked
Exactly.
Y'all are defending abuse of power by Speaker, purely for political power.
https://thefederalist.com/2023/10/31/texas-republicans-failed-impeachment-of-ken-paxton-offers-a-glimpse-into-the-gops-intra-party-feuds/
Nothing secret about the process, not even the buy-off of the Lite Guv.
Talked to a house member last weekend. A lot of members who voted for impeachment are now quite unhappy to be facing primary challenges. Said Phelan and team insisted they had the goods on Paxton and whipped votes. Then the Senate trial showed that the witnessess could not say under oath what they'd said to House committee, that there if fact was not much of a case at all. As I've said before, Phelan hung his caucus out to dry.
You keep obfuscating the main point: There is no way to absolve Phelan of responsibility here. If Paxton really was guilty, the Speaker did an woefully incompetent job of impeachment. And, of course, if Paxton really was innocent, the Speaker significantly abused his office.
So which is it, Dade? Are you going to take responsibility, or are you going to blame literally everyone else int he party for being corrupt?
Osodecentx said:whiterock said:No, but I've talked to two House reps in the last couple of weeks, one who voted for impeachment, one who voted against, and they both tell the same story. Phelan assured everyone he had the goods. He didn't.Osodecentx said:Are you a political consultant for Paxton?whiterock said:A lot of those "good people" apparently voted for the impeachment without having actually read it, because it was a really, really shoddy process that produced a really, really shoddy case. And a lot of those "good people" are refusing to vote for issues in special session that are on the party platform and enjoy majority support in the public. It is entirely appropriate for them to face primary challenges when they act that way. It's called accountability. Most of them will of course win, but they're going to have to work harder to do so. If they'd voted for the the things they promised their constituents they'd do, they probably would have no challenger at all. It's the way the system is supposed to work. You attack your base, your base will fight back....Osodecentx said:You guys are running candidates against good people just to intimidate them into ignoring a public official's criminal activity. Then you call a guy "uber divisive" for fighting corruption.whiterock said:yep. now every member of the GOP coalition will face insurgent primary challenges from the right. Most of those will lose, but will draw off funds that could be used elsewhere.Osodecentx said:FYIQuote:Phelan apparently thinks so, and he's seeking every opportunity to diminish himself.Quote:Wouldn't that make Paxton/Patrick the pigs? I can see itQuote:[url=https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/43033-never-wrestle-with-pigs-you-both-get-dirty-and-the][/url]Here's the advice you should give to your pit yorkie Phelan:Quote:Quote:But in practice, that has not been strictly enforced.Quote:As usual, there is more to the story than you post:Quote:
Your buddy Phelan is making a far bigger arse of himself.This is outrageous.
— Matt Mackowiak (@MattMackowiak) October 27, 2023
He is the duly elected AG of Texas.https://t.co/2ZQz5OW0IT#txlege
In response to Toth's claims, Cait Wittman, the spokeswoman for Speaker Phelan, posted a picture of the House rules that Toth had voted to pass earlier this year.
In the section regarding who has privileges on the House floor, the rules allow only House members and select staff, Senate members and select staff, the governor and select staff, the lieutenant governor, the secretary of state, accredited media, certain election contestants, and family members of members "on such special occasions as may be determined."
The attorney general is not specifically listed as someone who has privileges to be on the House floor.
A strong leader would have avoided the trap, let it pass until the end of the day, then pulled aside the members who extended the invitation, explained the rules, told them not do it again or face sanction and then followed up with instructions to House Security staff to not allow floor entry to any other state official not on the privilege list.
But Phelan couldn't resist. Picked the confrontation as offered. Looks the smaller man.
(which of course, he is....)
Dude is a little leaguer.....
I forgot rules (&laws) don't apply to Paxton
"Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
Juries can take care of Paxton, if needed. The voters can take care of Paxton, if needed. What we need most is House leadership who can move on from a mistake (an exceedingly poorly calculated and executed impeachment process) and get to the business of enacting GOP platform items into law, instead of engaging in distraction ploys to stop the school choice issue. Dude has made an enemy of every other statewide elected official and some very large donors, purely to satisfy the other side of the aisle.
November 2, 2023
Former Harris County GOP Chairman Jared Woodfill set to announce challenge to Rep. Lacey Hull and he intends to run for Speaker
A fundraiser invitation distributed by Dr. Steve Hotze says the announcement will be later this month
like I said, Phelan hanging his caucus out to dry. Will force him to raise money to defend them. Uber divisive dude, Phelan.
Republicans don't like being in the majority
Phelan has relentlessly attacked the rest of the GOP since the impeachment failed, instead of taking care of business in special session to pass legislation that has broad public support. It's almost like he's a Democrat (hint, hint....)
The school choice issue is being framed by Gov as a "get out of jail" card to those who voted yes...... Phelan will try to delay the vote until after the special session, to remove that leverage from Gov. Of course, they don't get to vote on it, they don't get the get out of jail card.
Phelan's team is relentlessly attacking Republicans in social media......desperately trying to delay, stall, distract, etc....
Do you think school choice is popular in rural Texas?
Nice dance there, "shuffles", too bad it ducks the point.quash said:Osodecentx said:whiterock said:No, but I've talked to two House reps in the last couple of weeks, one who voted for impeachment, one who voted against, and they both tell the same story. Phelan assured everyone he had the goods. He didn't.Osodecentx said:Are you a political consultant for Paxton?whiterock said:A lot of those "good people" apparently voted for the impeachment without having actually read it, because it was a really, really shoddy process that produced a really, really shoddy case. And a lot of those "good people" are refusing to vote for issues in special session that are on the party platform and enjoy majority support in the public. It is entirely appropriate for them to face primary challenges when they act that way. It's called accountability. Most of them will of course win, but they're going to have to work harder to do so. If they'd voted for the the things they promised their constituents they'd do, they probably would have no challenger at all. It's the way the system is supposed to work. You attack your base, your base will fight back....Osodecentx said:You guys are running candidates against good people just to intimidate them into ignoring a public official's criminal activity. Then you call a guy "uber divisive" for fighting corruption.whiterock said:yep. now every member of the GOP coalition will face insurgent primary challenges from the right. Most of those will lose, but will draw off funds that could be used elsewhere.Osodecentx said:FYIQuote:Phelan apparently thinks so, and he's seeking every opportunity to diminish himself.Quote:Wouldn't that make Paxton/Patrick the pigs? I can see itQuote:[url=https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/43033-never-wrestle-with-pigs-you-both-get-dirty-and-the][/url]Here's the advice you should give to your pit yorkie Phelan:Quote:Quote:But in practice, that has not been strictly enforced.Quote:As usual, there is more to the story than you post:Quote:
Your buddy Phelan is making a far bigger arse of himself.This is outrageous.
— Matt Mackowiak (@MattMackowiak) October 27, 2023
He is the duly elected AG of Texas.https://t.co/2ZQz5OW0IT#txlege
In response to Toth's claims, Cait Wittman, the spokeswoman for Speaker Phelan, posted a picture of the House rules that Toth had voted to pass earlier this year.
In the section regarding who has privileges on the House floor, the rules allow only House members and select staff, Senate members and select staff, the governor and select staff, the lieutenant governor, the secretary of state, accredited media, certain election contestants, and family members of members "on such special occasions as may be determined."
The attorney general is not specifically listed as someone who has privileges to be on the House floor.
A strong leader would have avoided the trap, let it pass until the end of the day, then pulled aside the members who extended the invitation, explained the rules, told them not do it again or face sanction and then followed up with instructions to House Security staff to not allow floor entry to any other state official not on the privilege list.
But Phelan couldn't resist. Picked the confrontation as offered. Looks the smaller man.
(which of course, he is....)
Dude is a little leaguer.....
I forgot rules (&laws) don't apply to Paxton
"Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
Juries can take care of Paxton, if needed. The voters can take care of Paxton, if needed. What we need most is House leadership who can move on from a mistake (an exceedingly poorly calculated and executed impeachment process) and get to the business of enacting GOP platform items into law, instead of engaging in distraction ploys to stop the school choice issue. Dude has made an enemy of every other statewide elected official and some very large donors, purely to satisfy the other side of the aisle.
November 2, 2023
Former Harris County GOP Chairman Jared Woodfill set to announce challenge to Rep. Lacey Hull and he intends to run for Speaker
A fundraiser invitation distributed by Dr. Steve Hotze says the announcement will be later this month
like I said, Phelan hanging his caucus out to dry. Will force him to raise money to defend them. Uber divisive dude, Phelan.
Republicans don't like being in the majority
Phelan has relentlessly attacked the rest of the GOP since the impeachment failed, instead of taking care of business in special session to pass legislation that has broad public support. It's almost like he's a Democrat (hint, hint....)
The school choice issue is being framed by Gov as a "get out of jail" card to those who voted yes...... Phelan will try to delay the vote until after the special session, to remove that leverage from Gov. Of course, they don't get to vote on it, they don't get the get out of jail card.
Phelan's team is relentlessly attacking Republicans in social media......desperately trying to delay, stall, distract, etc....
Do you think school choice is popular in rural Texas?
It's not school choice, it's school's choice.
Private schools can refuse to admit students and families that public schools cannot.
quash said:whiterock said:most certainly was secret in the House. Done in committee, without open hearings, without swearing in of witnesses, etc.... The procedural irregularities were, short of very large smoking guns, enough by themselves to justify voting against the impeachment.quash said:whiterock said:LOL virtue posturing by people who support double-secret impeachment processes. Where are those granite countertops, boys?quash said:Osodecentx said:whiterock said:yep. now every member of the GOP coalition will face insurgent primary challenges from the right. Most of those will lose, but will draw off funds that could be used elsewhere.Osodecentx said:FYIQuote:Phelan apparently thinks so, and he's seeking every opportunity to diminish himself.Quote:Wouldn't that make Paxton/Patrick the pigs? I can see itQuote:[url=https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/43033-never-wrestle-with-pigs-you-both-get-dirty-and-the][/url]Here's the advice you should give to your pit yorkie Phelan:Quote:Quote:But in practice, that has not been strictly enforced.Quote:As usual, there is more to the story than you post:Quote:
Your buddy Phelan is making a far bigger arse of himself.This is outrageous.
— Matt Mackowiak (@MattMackowiak) October 27, 2023
He is the duly elected AG of Texas.https://t.co/2ZQz5OW0IT#txlege
In response to Toth's claims, Cait Wittman, the spokeswoman for Speaker Phelan, posted a picture of the House rules that Toth had voted to pass earlier this year.
In the section regarding who has privileges on the House floor, the rules allow only House members and select staff, Senate members and select staff, the governor and select staff, the lieutenant governor, the secretary of state, accredited media, certain election contestants, and family members of members "on such special occasions as may be determined."
The attorney general is not specifically listed as someone who has privileges to be on the House floor.
A strong leader would have avoided the trap, let it pass until the end of the day, then pulled aside the members who extended the invitation, explained the rules, told them not do it again or face sanction and then followed up with instructions to House Security staff to not allow floor entry to any other state official not on the privilege list.
But Phelan couldn't resist. Picked the confrontation as offered. Looks the smaller man.
(which of course, he is....)
Dude is a little leaguer.....
I forgot rules (&laws) don't apply to Paxton
"Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
Juries can take care of Paxton, if needed. The voters can take care of Paxton, if needed. What we need most is House leadership who can move on from a mistake (an exceedingly poorly calculated and executed impeachment process) and get to the business of enacting GOP platform items into law, instead of engaging in distraction ploys to stop the school choice issue. Dude has made an enemy of every other statewide elected official and some very large donors, purely to satisfy the other side of the aisle.
November 2, 2023
Former Harris County GOP Chairman Jared Woodfill set to announce challenge to Rep. Lacey Hull and he intends to run for Speaker
A fundraiser invitation distributed by Dr. Steve Hotze says the announcement will be later this month
like I said, Phelan hanging his caucus out to dry. Will force him to raise money to defend them. Uber divisive dude, Phelan.
Phelan = integrity
Paxton is crooked
Exactly.
Y'all are defending abuse of power by Speaker, purely for political power.
https://thefederalist.com/2023/10/31/texas-republicans-failed-impeachment-of-ken-paxton-offers-a-glimpse-into-the-gops-intra-party-feuds/
Nothing secret about the process, not even the buy-off of the Lite Guv.
Talked to a house member last weekend. A lot of members who voted for impeachment are now quite unhappy to be facing primary challenges. Said Phelan and team insisted they had the goods on Paxton and whipped votes. Then the Senate trial showed that the witnessess could not say under oath what they'd said to House committee, that there if fact was not much of a case at all. As I've said before, Phelan hung his caucus out to dry.
You keep obfuscating the main point: There is no way to absolve Phelan of responsibility here. If Paxton really was guilty, the Speaker did an woefully incompetent job of impeachment. And, of course, if Paxton really was innocent, the Speaker significantly abused his office.
So which is it, Dade? Are you going to take responsibility, or are you going to blame literally everyone else int he party for being corrupt?
You go ahead and blame Phelan.
You got the exact answer from the legislator you spoke to: political pressure caused otherwise good people to ignore the evidence of other good people. And now they face being primaried if they obeyed their conscience and not their political boss.
Poor government.
#txlege Republican House Impeachment Managers Status
— Bonnie Bruce (@BonnieBruce) November 21, 2023
Speaker Phelan - Filed for Re-election
Murr - not running Re-election
Geren - not filed
Leach - not filed
Meyer - not filed
Cain - not filed
Vasut - not filed
Spiller - filed for Re-election
Fraud has both civil & criminal penalties pic.twitter.com/BdC5Zfr1XM
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 21, 2023
Several things are alike. Trump and his sycophants want to use the political process to get even with opponents and the media.whiterock said:quash said:whiterock said:most certainly was secret in the House. Done in committee, without open hearings, without swearing in of witnesses, etc.... The procedural irregularities were, short of very large smoking guns, enough by themselves to justify voting against the impeachment.quash said:whiterock said:LOL virtue posturing by people who support double-secret impeachment processes. Where are those granite countertops, boys?quash said:Osodecentx said:whiterock said:yep. now every member of the GOP coalition will face insurgent primary challenges from the right. Most of those will lose, but will draw off funds that could be used elsewhere.Osodecentx said:FYIQuote:Phelan apparently thinks so, and he's seeking every opportunity to diminish himself.Quote:Wouldn't that make Paxton/Patrick the pigs? I can see itQuote:[url=https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/43033-never-wrestle-with-pigs-you-both-get-dirty-and-the][/url]Here's the advice you should give to your pit yorkie Phelan:Quote:Quote:But in practice, that has not been strictly enforced.Quote:As usual, there is more to the story than you post:Quote:
Your buddy Phelan is making a far bigger arse of himself.This is outrageous.
— Matt Mackowiak (@MattMackowiak) October 27, 2023
He is the duly elected AG of Texas.https://t.co/2ZQz5OW0IT#txlege
In response to Toth's claims, Cait Wittman, the spokeswoman for Speaker Phelan, posted a picture of the House rules that Toth had voted to pass earlier this year.
In the section regarding who has privileges on the House floor, the rules allow only House members and select staff, Senate members and select staff, the governor and select staff, the lieutenant governor, the secretary of state, accredited media, certain election contestants, and family members of members "on such special occasions as may be determined."
The attorney general is not specifically listed as someone who has privileges to be on the House floor.
A strong leader would have avoided the trap, let it pass until the end of the day, then pulled aside the members who extended the invitation, explained the rules, told them not do it again or face sanction and then followed up with instructions to House Security staff to not allow floor entry to any other state official not on the privilege list.
But Phelan couldn't resist. Picked the confrontation as offered. Looks the smaller man.
(which of course, he is....)
Dude is a little leaguer.....
I forgot rules (&laws) don't apply to Paxton
"Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
Juries can take care of Paxton, if needed. The voters can take care of Paxton, if needed. What we need most is House leadership who can move on from a mistake (an exceedingly poorly calculated and executed impeachment process) and get to the business of enacting GOP platform items into law, instead of engaging in distraction ploys to stop the school choice issue. Dude has made an enemy of every other statewide elected official and some very large donors, purely to satisfy the other side of the aisle.
November 2, 2023
Former Harris County GOP Chairman Jared Woodfill set to announce challenge to Rep. Lacey Hull and he intends to run for Speaker
A fundraiser invitation distributed by Dr. Steve Hotze says the announcement will be later this month
like I said, Phelan hanging his caucus out to dry. Will force him to raise money to defend them. Uber divisive dude, Phelan.
Phelan = integrity
Paxton is crooked
Exactly.
Y'all are defending abuse of power by Speaker, purely for political power.
https://thefederalist.com/2023/10/31/texas-republicans-failed-impeachment-of-ken-paxton-offers-a-glimpse-into-the-gops-intra-party-feuds/
Nothing secret about the process, not even the buy-off of the Lite Guv.
Talked to a house member last weekend. A lot of members who voted for impeachment are now quite unhappy to be facing primary challenges. Said Phelan and team insisted they had the goods on Paxton and whipped votes. Then the Senate trial showed that the witnessess could not say under oath what they'd said to House committee, that there if fact was not much of a case at all. As I've said before, Phelan hung his caucus out to dry.
You keep obfuscating the main point: There is no way to absolve Phelan of responsibility here. If Paxton really was guilty, the Speaker did an woefully incompetent job of impeachment. And, of course, if Paxton really was innocent, the Speaker significantly abused his office.
So which is it, Dade? Are you going to take responsibility, or are you going to blame literally everyone else int he party for being corrupt?
You go ahead and blame Phelan.
You got the exact answer from the legislator you spoke to: political pressure caused otherwise good people to ignore the evidence of other good people. And now they face being primaried if they obeyed their conscience and not their political boss.
Poor government.
…….(smile)……. accountability. They know they done messed up#txlege Republican House Impeachment Managers Status
— Bonnie Bruce (@BonnieBruce) November 21, 2023
Speaker Phelan - Filed for Re-election
Murr - not running Re-election
Geren - not filed
Leach - not filed
Meyer - not filed
Cain - not filed
Vasut - not filed
Spiller - filed for Re-election
Osodecentx said:Several things are alike. Trump and his sycophants want to use the political process to get even with opponents and the media.whiterock said:quash said:whiterock said:most certainly was secret in the House. Done in committee, without open hearings, without swearing in of witnesses, etc.... The procedural irregularities were, short of very large smoking guns, enough by themselves to justify voting against the impeachment.quash said:whiterock said:LOL virtue posturing by people who support double-secret impeachment processes. Where are those granite countertops, boys?quash said:Osodecentx said:whiterock said:yep. now every member of the GOP coalition will face insurgent primary challenges from the right. Most of those will lose, but will draw off funds that could be used elsewhere.Osodecentx said:FYIQuote:Phelan apparently thinks so, and he's seeking every opportunity to diminish himself.Quote:Wouldn't that make Paxton/Patrick the pigs? I can see itQuote:[url=https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/43033-never-wrestle-with-pigs-you-both-get-dirty-and-the][/url]Here's the advice you should give to your pit yorkie Phelan:Quote:Quote:But in practice, that has not been strictly enforced.Quote:As usual, there is more to the story than you post:Quote:
Your buddy Phelan is making a far bigger arse of himself.This is outrageous.
— Matt Mackowiak (@MattMackowiak) October 27, 2023
He is the duly elected AG of Texas.https://t.co/2ZQz5OW0IT#txlege
In response to Toth's claims, Cait Wittman, the spokeswoman for Speaker Phelan, posted a picture of the House rules that Toth had voted to pass earlier this year.
In the section regarding who has privileges on the House floor, the rules allow only House members and select staff, Senate members and select staff, the governor and select staff, the lieutenant governor, the secretary of state, accredited media, certain election contestants, and family members of members "on such special occasions as may be determined."
The attorney general is not specifically listed as someone who has privileges to be on the House floor.
A strong leader would have avoided the trap, let it pass until the end of the day, then pulled aside the members who extended the invitation, explained the rules, told them not do it again or face sanction and then followed up with instructions to House Security staff to not allow floor entry to any other state official not on the privilege list.
But Phelan couldn't resist. Picked the confrontation as offered. Looks the smaller man.
(which of course, he is....)
Dude is a little leaguer.....
I forgot rules (&laws) don't apply to Paxton
"Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
Juries can take care of Paxton, if needed. The voters can take care of Paxton, if needed. What we need most is House leadership who can move on from a mistake (an exceedingly poorly calculated and executed impeachment process) and get to the business of enacting GOP platform items into law, instead of engaging in distraction ploys to stop the school choice issue. Dude has made an enemy of every other statewide elected official and some very large donors, purely to satisfy the other side of the aisle.
November 2, 2023
Former Harris County GOP Chairman Jared Woodfill set to announce challenge to Rep. Lacey Hull and he intends to run for Speaker
A fundraiser invitation distributed by Dr. Steve Hotze says the announcement will be later this month
like I said, Phelan hanging his caucus out to dry. Will force him to raise money to defend them. Uber divisive dude, Phelan.
Phelan = integrity
Paxton is crooked
Exactly.
Y'all are defending abuse of power by Speaker, purely for political power.
https://thefederalist.com/2023/10/31/texas-republicans-failed-impeachment-of-ken-paxton-offers-a-glimpse-into-the-gops-intra-party-feuds/
Nothing secret about the process, not even the buy-off of the Lite Guv.
Talked to a house member last weekend. A lot of members who voted for impeachment are now quite unhappy to be facing primary challenges. Said Phelan and team insisted they had the goods on Paxton and whipped votes. Then the Senate trial showed that the witnessess could not say under oath what they'd said to House committee, that there if fact was not much of a case at all. As I've said before, Phelan hung his caucus out to dry.
You keep obfuscating the main point: There is no way to absolve Phelan of responsibility here. If Paxton really was guilty, the Speaker did an woefully incompetent job of impeachment. And, of course, if Paxton really was innocent, the Speaker significantly abused his office.
So which is it, Dade? Are you going to take responsibility, or are you going to blame literally everyone else int he party for being corrupt?
You go ahead and blame Phelan.
You got the exact answer from the legislator you spoke to: political pressure caused otherwise good people to ignore the evidence of other good people. And now they face being primaried if they obeyed their conscience and not their political boss.
Poor government.
…….(smile)……. accountability. They know they done messed up#txlege Republican House Impeachment Managers Status
— Bonnie Bruce (@BonnieBruce) November 21, 2023
Speaker Phelan - Filed for Re-election
Murr - not running Re-election
Geren - not filed
Leach - not filed
Meyer - not filed
Cain - not filed
Vasut - not filed
Spiller - filed for Re-election
Trump makes plans to get even with political foes by imprisonment.
Whiterock wants to use politics to get even. Do you want Paxton's political opponents in jail?
LOL just explaining dynamics. Now we're seeing some of them come to fruition. Phelan made extraordinarily bad decisions on the impeachment, and members of his caucus are paying the price. He should do the honorable thing and resign. Let's see if he has the courage to do so.Osodecentx said:Several things are alike. Trump and his sycophants want to use the political process to get even with opponents and the media.Quote:Quote:Quote:most certainly was secret in the House. Done in committee, without open hearings, without swearing in of witnesses, etc.... The procedural irregularities were, short of very large smoking guns, enough by themselves to justify voting against the impeachment.Quote:Quote:LOL virtue posturing by people who support double-secret impeachment processes. Where are those granite countertops, boys?Quote:Quote:Quote:
yep. now every member of the GOP coalition will face insurgent primary challenges from the right. Most of those will lose, but will draw off funds that could be used elsewhere.
like I said, Phelan hanging his caucus out to dry. Will force him to raise money to defend them. Uber divisive dude, Phelan.
Phelan = integrity
Paxton is crooked
Exactly.
Y'all are defending abuse of power by Speaker, purely for political power.
https://thefederalist.com/2023/10/31/texas-republicans-failed-impeachment-of-ken-paxton-offers-a-glimpse-into-the-gops-intra-party-feuds/
Nothing secret about the process, not even the buy-off of the Lite Guv.
Talked to a house member last weekend. A lot of members who voted for impeachment are now quite unhappy to be facing primary challenges. Said Phelan and team insisted they had the goods on Paxton and whipped votes. Then the Senate trial showed that the witnessess could not say under oath what they'd said to House committee, that there if fact was not much of a case at all. As I've said before, Phelan hung his caucus out to dry.
You keep obfuscating the main point: There is no way to absolve Phelan of responsibility here. If Paxton really was guilty, the Speaker did an woefully incompetent job of impeachment. And, of course, if Paxton really was innocent, the Speaker significantly abused his office.
So which is it, Dade? Are you going to take responsibility, or are you going to blame literally everyone else int he party for being corrupt?
You go ahead and blame Phelan.
You got the exact answer from the legislator you spoke to: political pressure caused otherwise good people to ignore the evidence of other good people. And now they face being primaried if they obeyed their conscience and not their political boss.
Poor government.
…….(smile)……. accountability. They know they done messed up#txlege Republican House Impeachment Managers Status
— Bonnie Bruce (@BonnieBruce) November 21, 2023
Speaker Phelan - Filed for Re-election
Murr - not running Re-election
Geren - not filed
Leach - not filed
Meyer - not filed
Cain - not filed
Vasut - not filed
Spiller - filed for Re-election
Trump makes plans to get even with political foes by imprisonment.
Whiterock wants to use politics to get even. Do you want Paxton's political opponents in jail?
I think I'm understanding the way y'all work. You declare war on 75% of Texas Republican House members, then blame them for being divisive. Paxton and you pros are being Divisive. You spend a lot of energy defending accused felons.whiterock said:LOL just explaining dynamics. Now we're seeing some of them come to fruition. Phelan made extraordinarily bad decisions on the impeachment, and members of his caucus are paying the price. He should do the honorable thing and resign. Let's see if he has the courage to do so.Osodecentx said:Several things are alike. Trump and his sycophants want to use the political process to get even with opponents and the media.Quote:Quote:Quote:most certainly was secret in the House. Done in committee, without open hearings, without swearing in of witnesses, etc.... The procedural irregularities were, short of very large smoking guns, enough by themselves to justify voting against the impeachment.Quote:Quote:LOL virtue posturing by people who support double-secret impeachment processes. Where are those granite countertops, boys?Quote:Quote:Quote:
yep. now every member of the GOP coalition will face insurgent primary challenges from the right. Most of those will lose, but will draw off funds that could be used elsewhere.
like I said, Phelan hanging his caucus out to dry. Will force him to raise money to defend them. Uber divisive dude, Phelan.
Phelan = integrity
Paxton is crooked
Exactly.
Y'all are defending abuse of power by Speaker, purely for political power.
https://thefederalist.com/2023/10/31/texas-republicans-failed-impeachment-of-ken-paxton-offers-a-glimpse-into-the-gops-intra-party-feuds/
Nothing secret about the process, not even the buy-off of the Lite Guv.
Talked to a house member last weekend. A lot of members who voted for impeachment are now quite unhappy to be facing primary challenges. Said Phelan and team insisted they had the goods on Paxton and whipped votes. Then the Senate trial showed that the witnessess could not say under oath what they'd said to House committee, that there if fact was not much of a case at all. As I've said before, Phelan hung his caucus out to dry.
You keep obfuscating the main point: There is no way to absolve Phelan of responsibility here. If Paxton really was guilty, the Speaker did an woefully incompetent job of impeachment. And, of course, if Paxton really was innocent, the Speaker significantly abused his office.
So which is it, Dade? Are you going to take responsibility, or are you going to blame literally everyone else int he party for being corrupt?
You go ahead and blame Phelan.
You got the exact answer from the legislator you spoke to: political pressure caused otherwise good people to ignore the evidence of other good people. And now they face being primaried if they obeyed their conscience and not their political boss.
Poor government.
…….(smile)……. accountability. They know they done messed up#txlege Republican House Impeachment Managers Status
— Bonnie Bruce (@BonnieBruce) November 21, 2023
Speaker Phelan - Filed for Re-election
Murr - not running Re-election
Geren - not filed
Leach - not filed
Meyer - not filed
Cain - not filed
Vasut - not filed
Spiller - filed for Re-election
Trump makes plans to get even with political foes by imprisonment.
Whiterock wants to use politics to get even. Do you want Paxton's political opponents in jail?
We haven't even discussed the impact of what Phelan's nonsense has done to the donor base. I spent the weekend with a titan who is livid with him, for good reason.
Divisive with a capital "D." That's what moderates are wont to do, drive off the unwashed masses, no matter the cost, in order to burnish statesmanship credentials.......
Paxton didn't start the civil war. Phelan did. 60 days after Paxton won solid majority in a general election, in which numerous character allegations were front/center (including some related to the impeachment itself), Phelan launched a secret impeachment process. An investigation literally done in secret by a committee. No opportunity to examine/cross witnesses. etc..... Truly an extraordinary thing to see. The GOP caucus was told "we have the goods" and were whipped to vote for the impeachment without a single hearing on the facts. And, not surprisingly, when it was all exposed to daylight in the Senate, some of the allegations were proven to be flatly untrue. Witnesses did not actually witness what they alleged, etc..... Not surprisingly, the impeachment failed. It wasn't a rush job. It was a hatchet job. What member of the legislature would want to be railroaded out of office for crossing the sensibilities of a irritable Speaker?Osodecentx said:I think I'm understanding the way y'all work. You declare war on 75% of Texas Republican House members, then blame them for being divisive. Paxton and you pros are being Divisive. You spend a lot of energy defending accused felons.whiterock said:LOL just explaining dynamics. Now we're seeing some of them come to fruition. Phelan made extraordinarily bad decisions on the impeachment, and members of his caucus are paying the price. He should do the honorable thing and resign. Let's see if he has the courage to do so.Osodecentx said:Several things are alike. Trump and his sycophants want to use the political process to get even with opponents and the media.Quote:Quote:Quote:most certainly was secret in the House. Done in committee, without open hearings, without swearing in of witnesses, etc.... The procedural irregularities were, short of very large smoking guns, enough by themselves to justify voting against the impeachment.Quote:Quote:LOL virtue posturing by people who support double-secret impeachment processes. Where are those granite countertops, boys?Quote:Quote:Quote:
yep. now every member of the GOP coalition will face insurgent primary challenges from the right. Most of those will lose, but will draw off funds that could be used elsewhere.
like I said, Phelan hanging his caucus out to dry. Will force him to raise money to defend them. Uber divisive dude, Phelan.
Phelan = integrity
Paxton is crooked
Exactly.
Y'all are defending abuse of power by Speaker, purely for political power.
https://thefederalist.com/2023/10/31/texas-republicans-failed-impeachment-of-ken-paxton-offers-a-glimpse-into-the-gops-intra-party-feuds/
Nothing secret about the process, not even the buy-off of the Lite Guv.
Talked to a house member last weekend. A lot of members who voted for impeachment are now quite unhappy to be facing primary challenges. Said Phelan and team insisted they had the goods on Paxton and whipped votes. Then the Senate trial showed that the witnessess could not say under oath what they'd said to House committee, that there if fact was not much of a case at all. As I've said before, Phelan hung his caucus out to dry.
You keep obfuscating the main point: There is no way to absolve Phelan of responsibility here. If Paxton really was guilty, the Speaker did an woefully incompetent job of impeachment. And, of course, if Paxton really was innocent, the Speaker significantly abused his office.
So which is it, Dade? Are you going to take responsibility, or are you going to blame literally everyone else int he party for being corrupt?
You go ahead and blame Phelan.
You got the exact answer from the legislator you spoke to: political pressure caused otherwise good people to ignore the evidence of other good people. And now they face being primaried if they obeyed their conscience and not their political boss.
Poor government.
…….(smile)……. accountability. They know they done messed up#txlege Republican House Impeachment Managers Status
— Bonnie Bruce (@BonnieBruce) November 21, 2023
Speaker Phelan - Filed for Re-election
Murr - not running Re-election
Geren - not filed
Leach - not filed
Meyer - not filed
Cain - not filed
Vasut - not filed
Spiller - filed for Re-election
Trump makes plans to get even with political foes by imprisonment.
Whiterock wants to use politics to get even. Do you want Paxton's political opponents in jail?
We haven't even discussed the impact of what Phelan's nonsense has done to the donor base. I spent the weekend with a titan who is livid with him, for good reason.
Divisive with a capital "D." That's what moderates are wont to do, drive off the unwashed masses, no matter the cost, in order to burnish statesmanship credentials.......
Phelan has integrity. Trump Paxton not so much. Texas Republicans pushing their whole stake in on 2 criminals
LOL. Look at the dates. FBI started investigating Paxton when? 2020? Three years ago? And no indictment? And so THAT'S justification for an impeachment? FBI can't do anything....so IMPEACH!!!! More level heads would counsel that FBI ennui (in an FBI full of angry Democrats, mind you) about a Paxton investigation should be a caution rather than an inducement for impeachment.Osodecentx said:
So many falsehoods, so little space.
WR. Paxton didn't start the civil war. Phelan did. 60 days after Paxton won solid majority in a general election, in which numerous character allegations were front/center (including some related to the impeachment itself), Phelan launched a secret impeachment process.
False. It started in 2020 with the FBI investigation.
NOV. 17, 2020. https://www.texastribune.org/2020/11/17/texas-ken-paxton-fbi/
The FBI is investigating Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, the Associated Press reported Tuesday evening, vetting allegations made by eight of Paxton's former top aides that he illegally used the power of his office to benefit a political donor.
Two unnamed sources told the AP that the bureau was examining claims made by the whistleblowers that Paxton broke the law by intervening several times in legal matters involving Nate Paul, a real estate investor and friend who donated $25,000 to Paxton's campaign in 2018.
On Sept. 30 and Oct. 1, eight aides in total told authorities that they believed Paxton had committed crimes as part of his relationship with Paul, citing bribery and abuse of office. Since then, four aides have been fired, three have resigned, and one has been placed on leave sparking a whistleblower lawsuit.
The move to impeach came less than a week after the House General Investigating Committee revealed that it was investigating Paxton for what members described as a years' long pattern of misconduct and questionable actions that include bribery, dereliction of duty and obstruction of justice.
The vote to adopt the 20 articles of impeachment was 121-23 (84% of those voting).
Impeachment was supported by 60 Republicans, including Speaker Dade Phelan and all five of the representatives from Collin County where Paxton and his wife have lived for decades. All 23 votes in opposition came from Republicans.
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/05/27/ken-paxton-impeached-texas-attorney-general/
Legislators in House and Senate didn't include $3.3 million to pay for Paxton's wrong doing.
Plano Rep. Jeff Leach, a Republican who heads the House Judiciary and Civil Jurisprudence Committee, has said he was "troubled" that taxpayers would be on the hook for the settlement. House Speaker Dade Phelan, a Beaumont Republican, said he does not support the use of taxpayer money to settle the lawsuit.
Neither legislative chamber included money for the settlement in the first drafts of the "miscellaneous claims" bill that includes state payments for legal cases.
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/03/13/legislature-ken-paxton-whistleblower-settlement/
WR. Almost every Republican I've talked to see it that way = a process so unfair that they felt obligated to oppose it on procedural grounds, regardless how concerned they might actually be about the allegations. The exceptions to that view are, to a person, people who have hated Paxton from the git-go and would be willing to take him out at any cost.
False. 75% of Republican House members voted to impeach.
WR. So, yeah, it's divisive alright. And it's 100% on Phelan. Would not be having this discussion if he had not gotten so drunk on power, so detached from the sensibilities of his base, that he made severe political miscalculations.
False. Phelan and the House didn't want to spend $3.3 million of taxpayer money to bail out Paxton.
WR. Paxton may indeed be a dirty politician.
True
WR. But if that's so, why didn't Phelan get his man? I mean, if Paxton really is a scummy guy breaking laws all over the place, why wasn't Phelan able to craft a process to get hard evidence of it?
He did. Paxton was impeached, 75% of Republicans voted to impeach. The Senate had 21 votes to convict until the Lt Gov started calling members. Trump calls Patrick, Patrick calls senators.
WR. Wouldn't it have been wiser to let the 8yr old prosecution of Paxton over securities issues clunk forward? Wouldn't it have been wiser to let the FBI investigation take its course on the events for which Paxton was impeached?
No. That would leave a crook in charge of the Attorney General's office.
WR. We see again, there no depths to which moderates will not stoop to take out conservatives they don't like. And then turn right around and denounce as divisive conservatives in their own caucus who are doing nothing but remaining focused on a mainstream Republican agenda.
Phelan screwed the pooch. He's really, really bad for the conservative agenda.
False. Phelan stood tall
You guys take orders from a small cabal of right wing dead enders. You attack but ignore facts.
DONALD TRUMP JR., CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS RIDE TO KEN PAXTON'S DEFENSE ON EVE OF IMPEACHMENT VOTE
One day after a Texas House committee recommended that Attorney General Ken Paxton be impeached, several prominent Republicans pressed a common strategy Friday: attack, attack, attack.
In statements and social media posts, conservatives accused their fellow Republicans in the Texas House Speaker Dade Phelan in particular of attempting to undermine voters and conservative values by attacking Paxton. And, largely without addressing the merits of the many accusations against Paxton, they framed him as the victim of a political witch hunt that was orchestrated by a cabal of Democrats and "Republicans in name only."
"The impeachment proceedings against the Attorney General are but the latest front in the Texas House's war against Republicans to stop the conservative direction of our state," Matt Rindaldi, chair of the Republican Party of Texas, said in a statement. "This sham impeachment is the result of the Phelan leadership team empowering Democrats, allowing them to hold leadership positions and letting them control the agenda."
Rinaldi is thus far the highest-positioned Texas Republican to condemn the investigation. Gov. Greg Abbott has remained silent, and Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, who would preside over an impeachment trial in the Senate, has said it would be improper for him to weigh in.
National Republicans are filling the void, however. While former President Donald Trump a Paxton ally who endorsed his campaign before last year's GOP primary has not commented, his son Donald Trump Jr. said Friday that the investigation into "America First patriot Ken Paxton" is a "disgrace."
"MAGA stands with Ken Paxton against this RINO/DEMO led witch hunt!!!" Trump Jr. tweeted.
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/05/26/ken-paxton-impeach-republican-defense/
Good on Phelan.
1. I'm not a Republicanwhiterock said:LOL. Look at the dates. FBI started investigating Paxton when? 2020? Three years ago? And no indictment? And so THAT'S justification for an impeachment? FBI can't do anything....so IMPEACH!!!! More level heads would counsel that FBI ennui (in an FBI full of angry Democrats, mind you) about a Paxton investigation should be a caution rather than an inducement for impeachment.Osodecentx said:
So many falsehoods, so little space.
WR. Paxton didn't start the civil war. Phelan did. 60 days after Paxton won solid majority in a general election, in which numerous character allegations were front/center (including some related to the impeachment itself), Phelan launched a secret impeachment process.
False. It started in 2020 with the FBI investigation.
NOV. 17, 2020. https://www.texastribune.org/2020/11/17/texas-ken-paxton-fbi/
The FBI is investigating Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, the Associated Press reported Tuesday evening, vetting allegations made by eight of Paxton's former top aides that he illegally used the power of his office to benefit a political donor.
Two unnamed sources told the AP that the bureau was examining claims made by the whistleblowers that Paxton broke the law by intervening several times in legal matters involving Nate Paul, a real estate investor and friend who donated $25,000 to Paxton's campaign in 2018.
On Sept. 30 and Oct. 1, eight aides in total told authorities that they believed Paxton had committed crimes as part of his relationship with Paul, citing bribery and abuse of office. Since then, four aides have been fired, three have resigned, and one has been placed on leave sparking a whistleblower lawsuit.
The move to impeach came less than a week after the House General Investigating Committee revealed that it was investigating Paxton for what members described as a years' long pattern of misconduct and questionable actions that include bribery, dereliction of duty and obstruction of justice.
The vote to adopt the 20 articles of impeachment was 121-23 (84% of those voting).
Impeachment was supported by 60 Republicans, including Speaker Dade Phelan and all five of the representatives from Collin County where Paxton and his wife have lived for decades. All 23 votes in opposition came from Republicans.
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/05/27/ken-paxton-impeached-texas-attorney-general/
Legislators in House and Senate didn't include $3.3 million to pay for Paxton's wrong doing.
Plano Rep. Jeff Leach, a Republican who heads the House Judiciary and Civil Jurisprudence Committee, has said he was "troubled" that taxpayers would be on the hook for the settlement. House Speaker Dade Phelan, a Beaumont Republican, said he does not support the use of taxpayer money to settle the lawsuit.
Neither legislative chamber included money for the settlement in the first drafts of the "miscellaneous claims" bill that includes state payments for legal cases.
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/03/13/legislature-ken-paxton-whistleblower-settlement/
WR. Almost every Republican I've talked to see it that way = a process so unfair that they felt obligated to oppose it on procedural grounds, regardless how concerned they might actually be about the allegations. The exceptions to that view are, to a person, people who have hated Paxton from the git-go and would be willing to take him out at any cost.
False. 75% of Republican House members voted to impeach.
WR. So, yeah, it's divisive alright. And it's 100% on Phelan. Would not be having this discussion if he had not gotten so drunk on power, so detached from the sensibilities of his base, that he made severe political miscalculations.
False. Phelan and the House didn't want to spend $3.3 million of taxpayer money to bail out Paxton.
WR. Paxton may indeed be a dirty politician.
True
WR. But if that's so, why didn't Phelan get his man? I mean, if Paxton really is a scummy guy breaking laws all over the place, why wasn't Phelan able to craft a process to get hard evidence of it?
He did. Paxton was impeached, 75% of Republicans voted to impeach. The Senate had 21 votes to convict until the Lt Gov started calling members. Trump calls Patrick, Patrick calls senators.
WR. Wouldn't it have been wiser to let the 8yr old prosecution of Paxton over securities issues clunk forward? Wouldn't it have been wiser to let the FBI investigation take its course on the events for which Paxton was impeached?
No. That would leave a crook in charge of the Attorney General's office.
WR. We see again, there no depths to which moderates will not stoop to take out conservatives they don't like. And then turn right around and denounce as divisive conservatives in their own caucus who are doing nothing but remaining focused on a mainstream Republican agenda.
Phelan screwed the pooch. He's really, really bad for the conservative agenda.
False. Phelan stood tall
You guys take orders from a small cabal of right wing dead enders. You attack but ignore facts.
DONALD TRUMP JR., CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS RIDE TO KEN PAXTON'S DEFENSE ON EVE OF IMPEACHMENT VOTE
One day after a Texas House committee recommended that Attorney General Ken Paxton be impeached, several prominent Republicans pressed a common strategy Friday: attack, attack, attack.
In statements and social media posts, conservatives accused their fellow Republicans in the Texas House Speaker Dade Phelan in particular of attempting to undermine voters and conservative values by attacking Paxton. And, largely without addressing the merits of the many accusations against Paxton, they framed him as the victim of a political witch hunt that was orchestrated by a cabal of Democrats and "Republicans in name only."
"The impeachment proceedings against the Attorney General are but the latest front in the Texas House's war against Republicans to stop the conservative direction of our state," Matt Rindaldi, chair of the Republican Party of Texas, said in a statement. "This sham impeachment is the result of the Phelan leadership team empowering Democrats, allowing them to hold leadership positions and letting them control the agenda."
Rinaldi is thus far the highest-positioned Texas Republican to condemn the investigation. Gov. Greg Abbott has remained silent, and Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, who would preside over an impeachment trial in the Senate, has said it would be improper for him to weigh in.
National Republicans are filling the void, however. While former President Donald Trump a Paxton ally who endorsed his campaign before last year's GOP primary has not commented, his son Donald Trump Jr. said Friday that the investigation into "America First patriot Ken Paxton" is a "disgrace."
"MAGA stands with Ken Paxton against this RINO/DEMO led witch hunt!!!" Trump Jr. tweeted.
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/05/26/ken-paxton-impeach-republican-defense/
Good on Phelan.
I mean, dude. You are a priori all the time everywhere. You hate the guy, so you are justified in taking him out. That's why you keep citing the (true) factoid "75% of GOP House members voted to impeach" without noting A) it was a whipped vote, on B) an opaque impeachment process, then citing as fact the unconfirmed rumor that C) the Senate was a vote short of conviction (rather than the actual dispositive final vote). Your argument only survives in the hermetically sealed tiny bubble of elected officials, while studiously ignoring the realities I've been pointing to, repeatedly. There was insufficient political support for the Paxton impeachment (in no small part due to the lack of evidence).
1) Among the numerous deficiencies of the impeachment = it failed to accomplish the critical task of reducing the public support of the Speaker amongst the public at large. Only 47% supported it at outbreak of trial. Ideally, public support for impeachment would be in the +/- 70% range. impeachment is a political process. irrespective of facts of the case, the impeachment process itself MUST reduce public support for the accused. Phelan failed at that, miserably. He should have spent much more time in open hearings, interviewing witnesses, throwing max sunlight on the accusations for an extended period (to ensure EVERYONE knew the allegations). He in fact, chose to do the opposite...to investigate in camera. (Really dumb.) By virtue of that decision alone, he ensured that the impeachment would forever be a divisive issue no matter how it all turned out - an effort by moderates to remove an effective conservative.
https://abc13.com/ken-paxton-impeachment-trial-texas-poll-on-texsa-attorney-general/13726925/
2) Same dynamic for support within Republicans. Phelan did a terrible job of using the impeachment process to reduce political support of Paxton.....to persuade the preponderance of the party to come on board for it. His decision-making here ensured that the rank and file Republican would forever see the impeachment as establishments seeking to take out an effective conservative. To the extent that was what was actually happening, that messaging deficiency becomes all the more glaring.
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/09/01/ken-paxton-impeachment-poll/
3) the after-action polling was equally damning of Phelan. He and the House finished behind Paxton and the House in every metric. Boomerang. Tar baby. Self-defeating. eieio.....
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/10/25/ken-paxton-impeachment-ut-poll/
Your boy Phelan screwed the pooch.
You will need more competent leadership if you want to lead an establishment takeover of the GOP.
If Paxton is such a crook, why didn't your boy Phelan nail him?
and if Paxton is not a crook, why did your boy Phelan go after him?
I mean, dude. There is no analytic construction here which provides any relief to you.
I told you not to touch it.
You did it anyway.
And now it's my fault that you got burned?
Geez....
Osodecentx said:
So many falsehoods, so little space.
WR. Paxton didn't start the civil war. Phelan did. 60 days after Paxton won solid majority in a general election, in which numerous character allegations were front/center (including some related to the impeachment itself), Phelan launched a secret impeachment process.
False. It started in 2020 with the FBI investigation.
NOV. 17, 2020. https://www.texastribune.org/2020/11/17/texas-ken-paxton-fbi/
The FBI is investigating Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, the Associated Press reported Tuesday evening, vetting allegations made by eight of Paxton's former top aides that he illegally used the power of his office to benefit a political donor.
Two unnamed sources told the AP that the bureau was examining claims made by the whistleblowers that Paxton broke the law by intervening several times in legal matters involving Nate Paul, a real estate investor and friend who donated $25,000 to Paxton's campaign in 2018.
On Sept. 30 and Oct. 1, eight aides in total told authorities that they believed Paxton had committed crimes as part of his relationship with Paul, citing bribery and abuse of office. Since then, four aides have been fired, three have resigned, and one has been placed on leave sparking a whistleblower lawsuit.
The move to impeach came less than a week after the House General Investigating Committee revealed that it was investigating Paxton for what members described as a years' long pattern of misconduct and questionable actions that include bribery, dereliction of duty and obstruction of justice.
The vote to adopt the 20 articles of impeachment was 121-23 (84% of those voting).
Impeachment was supported by 60 Republicans, including Speaker Dade Phelan and all five of the representatives from Collin County where Paxton and his wife have lived for decades. All 23 votes in opposition came from Republicans.
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/05/27/ken-paxton-impeached-texas-attorney-general/
Legislators in House and Senate didn't include $3.3 million to pay for Paxton's wrong doing.
Plano Rep. Jeff Leach, a Republican who heads the House Judiciary and Civil Jurisprudence Committee, has said he was "troubled" that taxpayers would be on the hook for the settlement. House Speaker Dade Phelan, a Beaumont Republican, said he does not support the use of taxpayer money to settle the lawsuit.
Neither legislative chamber included money for the settlement in the first drafts of the "miscellaneous claims" bill that includes state payments for legal cases.
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/03/13/legislature-ken-paxton-whistleblower-settlement/
WR. Almost every Republican I've talked to see it that way = a process so unfair that they felt obligated to oppose it on procedural grounds, regardless how concerned they might actually be about the allegations. The exceptions to that view are, to a person, people who have hated Paxton from the git-go and would be willing to take him out at any cost.
False. 75% of Republican House members voted to impeach.
WR. So, yeah, it's divisive alright. And it's 100% on Phelan. Would not be having this discussion if he had not gotten so drunk on power, so detached from the sensibilities of his base, that he made severe political miscalculations.
False. Phelan and the House didn't want to spend $3.3 million of taxpayer money to bail out Paxton.
WR. Paxton may indeed be a dirty politician.
True
WR. But if that's so, why didn't Phelan get his man? I mean, if Paxton really is a scummy guy breaking laws all over the place, why wasn't Phelan able to craft a process to get hard evidence of it?
He did. Paxton was impeached, 75% of Republicans voted to impeach. The Senate had 21 votes to convict until the Lt Gov started calling members. Trump calls Patrick, Patrick calls senators.
WR. Wouldn't it have been wiser to let the 8yr old prosecution of Paxton over securities issues clunk forward? Wouldn't it have been wiser to let the FBI investigation take its course on the events for which Paxton was impeached?
No. That would leave a crook in charge of the Attorney General's office.
WR. We see again, there no depths to which moderates will not stoop to take out conservatives they don't like. And then turn right around and denounce as divisive conservatives in their own caucus who are doing nothing but remaining focused on a mainstream Republican agenda.
Phelan screwed the pooch. He's really, really bad for the conservative agenda.
False. Phelan stood tall
You guys take orders from a small cabal of right wing dead enders. You attack but ignore facts.
DONALD TRUMP JR., CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS RIDE TO KEN PAXTON'S DEFENSE ON EVE OF IMPEACHMENT VOTE
One day after a Texas House committee recommended that Attorney General Ken Paxton be impeached, several prominent Republicans pressed a common strategy Friday: attack, attack, attack.
In statements and social media posts, conservatives accused their fellow Republicans in the Texas House Speaker Dade Phelan in particular of attempting to undermine voters and conservative values by attacking Paxton. And, largely without addressing the merits of the many accusations against Paxton, they framed him as the victim of a political witch hunt that was orchestrated by a cabal of Democrats and "Republicans in name only."
"The impeachment proceedings against the Attorney General are but the latest front in the Texas House's war against Republicans to stop the conservative direction of our state," Matt Rindaldi, chair of the Republican Party of Texas, said in a statement. "This sham impeachment is the result of the Phelan leadership team empowering Democrats, allowing them to hold leadership positions and letting them control the agenda."
Rinaldi is thus far the highest-positioned Texas Republican to condemn the investigation. Gov. Greg Abbott has remained silent, and Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, who would preside over an impeachment trial in the Senate, has said it would be improper for him to weigh in.
National Republicans are filling the void, however. While former President Donald Trump a Paxton ally who endorsed his campaign before last year's GOP primary has not commented, his son Donald Trump Jr. said Friday that the investigation into "America First patriot Ken Paxton" is a "disgrace."
"MAGA stands with Ken Paxton against this RINO/DEMO led witch hunt!!!" Trump Jr. tweeted.
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/05/26/ken-paxton-impeach-republican-defense/
Good on Phelan.
GrowlTowel said:
If you wanted to remove, you should have presented the evidence in public. As there was nothing but allegations (based on the testimony), removal was not warranted.
That sums up the impeachment trial.
No evidence, no removal.
quash said:GrowlTowel said:
If you wanted to remove, you should have presented the evidence in public. As there was nothing but allegations (based on the testimony), removal was not warranted.
That sums up the impeachment trial.
No evidence, no removal.
Solid eyewitnesses, solid evidence.
FIFY. The countertops are not granite. They're still tile.Osodecentx said:quash said:GrowlTowel said:
If you wanted to remove, you should have presented the evidence in public. As there was nothing but allegations (based on the testimony), removal was not warranted.
That sums up the impeachment trial.
No evidence, no removal.
Solideyewitnesses, solidevidenceas pudding were the allegations
Presented in public, thereby demonstrating the incompetence of those who crafted such an amateurish charade.
Attorney General Ken Paxton has yet to disclose numerous properties and vacation rentals that he owns, raising ethics concerns. Among them: This 20-person cabin that was until recently available for $395 a night. #txlege
— Robert Downen (@RobertDownen_) December 7, 2023
STORY via @lmcgaughy https://t.co/dshVVavFVQ pic.twitter.com/OesKaB3byb
whiterock said:FIFY. The countertops are not granite. They're still tile.Osodecentx said:quash said:GrowlTowel said:
If you wanted to remove, you should have presented the evidence in public. As there was nothing but allegations (based on the testimony), removal was not warranted.
That sums up the impeachment trial.
No evidence, no removal.
Solideyewitnesses, solidevidenceas pudding were the allegations
Presented in public, thereby demonstrating the incompetence of those who crafted such an amateurish charade.
Dude. Your witnesses testified to things which were demonstrably NOT true.
Either your boy Dade botched a winnable case, or pushed an unwinnable case. Either way, he's not up to the job. You should expect more from leadership. at least Paxton gets stuff done. All Dade does is help Democrats slow down the entire Republican agenda.
Maybe that's why you like him so much.
The allegation was that the tile countertops were replaced with granite, as a political payoff.quash said:whiterock said:FIFY. The countertops are not granite. They're still tile.Osodecentx said:quash said:GrowlTowel said:
If you wanted to remove, you should have presented the evidence in public. As there was nothing but allegations (based on the testimony), removal was not warranted.
That sums up the impeachment trial.
No evidence, no removal.
Solideyewitnesses, solidevidenceas pudding were the allegations
Presented in public, thereby demonstrating the incompetence of those who crafted such an amateurish charade.
Dude. Your witnesses testified to things which were demonstrably NOT true.
Either your boy Dade botched a winnable case, or pushed an unwinnable case. Either way, he's not up to the job. You should expect more from leadership. at least Paxton gets stuff done. All Dade does is help Democrats slow down the entire Republican agenda.
Maybe that's why you like him so much.
Did your donor give your mistress a job?
The countertops are tile.
