As State Rep. Jarred Patterson -- a man who couldn't be more conservative -- wrote on social media, Paxton's pathetic attempts to duck a deposition only sing the truth of what he's done.

"TOTAL VINDICATION," wrote Patterson, who is among those Paxton is hounding. "Today, Attorney General Ken Paxton admitted he violated the Texas Whistleblower Act and confirmed offenses laid out in Texas House Impeachment Articles 6, 7, 8 and 15. I supposed Mr. Paxton views this total reversal as more appealing than answering questions…"

We pray Paxton's give-up-the-ghost tactic doesn't work, and whistleblower attorney Tom Nesbitt has promised it won't,

"This is but another desperate stunt by Ken Paxton to prevent the truth from coming out," he said.

We plead with conservative Texans not to believe the nonsense that Paxton and his coterie are spouting. Look at the facts. Look at the backgrounds of the people making these accusations. Look at the bona fides of the House members who impeached him.

Don't be like those 16 senators and our lieutenant governor. Have a mind and an eye for the truth. Texas needs you to.

From DMN

Travis Co. district judge orders @KenPaxtonTX to appear for deposition on Feb. 1 and for aides to appear in the days after. They were already ordered to sit for depositions by Feb. 9, so this is more notable as a signal the judge is unfazed by Paxton’s latest move to end the suit pic.twitter.com/cfZwFxL1xw

— Patrick Svitek (@PatrickSvitek) January 19, 2024

Deny a Bush from an elected office, get impeached.

Clinton
Trump
Paxton

Correlation or causation?

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Deny a Bush from an elected office, get impeached.

Clinton
Trump
Paxton

Correlation or causation?

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Really?

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Deny a Bush from an elected office, get impeached.

Clinton
Trump
Paxton

Correlation or causation?

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Wow. That's next level bonkers. The really crazy thing is how Paxton did virtually everything that he hasn't even denied a year before running against George P. Incredible that George P had the foresight to set him up like that in advance! Wow!

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Deny a Bush from an elected office, get impeached.

Clinton
Trump
Paxton

Correlation or causation?

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Neither Lloyd Bentsen nor Ronald Reagan were impeached.

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Deny a Bush from an elected office, get impeached.

Clinton
Trump
Paxton

Correlation or causation?

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Neither Lloyd Bentsen nor Ronald Reagan were impeached.

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True, but Reagan was shot and you cannot impeach a senator.

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Deny a Bush from an elected office, get impeached.

Clinton
Trump
Paxton

Correlation or causation?

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Neither Lloyd Bentsen nor Ronald Reagan were impeached.

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True, but Reagan was shot and you cannot impeach a senator.

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I thought that was Buckwheat who was shot.

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That is a bull**** way to dodge. I don't come that often anymore. Your series of replies are why I choose not to waste my time.

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No, it's a thermonuclear torpedo to your argument. If you use the same exact "evidence" to allege one thing as you do another, then both are discredited when one is proven false.

You have no evidence that Paxton asked a donor to hire a mistress. You only have the fact that the donor did hire her and Paxton may not have immediately terminated the (ill-defined) relationship with her. That's it. That's all you got.

Your boy Phelan has a -9 approval rating. Because he screwed up the impeachment, from arsehole to appetite.

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Perhaps we will get more evidence. Will Paxton take the nickel?

December 20, 2023 4:27 PM
Judge Soifer rules Paxton can be compelled to give sworn testimony in whistleblower suit
Paxton's top staff, including first assistant AG Brent Webster, can also be deposed, per the order. Paxton was reportedly served with a subpoena today

The ruling means that for the first time, Paxton might be required to answer questions under oath about why he marshaled attorney general office resources to aid friend and campaign donor Nate Paul. The four former employees sued Paxton after the attorney general fired them for reporting him to the FBI in 2020.

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Drunk Dade could have done a better job getting to the bottom of that, couldn't he. He could have subpoena'd Paul, or Paul's associates, or any of Paxton's other staffers or political aides at the time. He could have put the (weak) witnesses he had up in front of the entire house to sing, sing, sing, so that the media tabloids would fill the internet with tales of wickedness and drive down Paxton's approval numbers. Coulda done that with all of those other sources, too (presuming there were any).

Or, he could have realized he didn't have the goods, wasn't likely to get the goods from any of those sources, thus waited for the results of the lawsuit (and prosecution, and FBI investigation) to spit out the goods, and move when circumstances were more favorable.

But ol' Drunk Dade didn't do any of that. He just scooped up a pile of accusations he couldn't prove, had a committee of cronies (chairman of which is facing doxxing charges and decided not to run for re-election) assemble them in secret from "witnesses" not sworn under oath, and then whipped his caucus into voting for impeachment without all the usual pageantry of impeachment like open hearings or cross-examinations. As a result, when the case got to the Senate and subjected to proper vetting of full sunlight.....it fell to pieces.

Best case you have, Oso, is that Drunk Dade botched the impeachment of a guilty man, who (if one accepts the premise of guilt) would have been delivered accountability anyway in civil or criminal court, or in a future impeachment done with far better preparation, evidence, and procedure. Worst case is, Paxton isn't nearly as dirty as his opponents need him to be and actually isn't impeachable. But ol' Drunk Dade screwed all of that up for you. You won't be able to get him replaced before 2024. Probably won't happen before his next election cycle, either. The failure of this impeachment drastically raises the bar for the next one.

You moderates really do need better leadership. If you could find some, you'd probably find it easier to get along with the 3/4 of the party you're fighting with (and losing to). Everyone would be better off without ol' Drunk Dade. Dude is far, far worse for the party than Paxton was, is, or ever could be. At least Paxton accomplishes things for his voters.

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Nice slime.
You guys are now sending out mailers accusing the Speaker of being pro-Muslim. Is there any slander y'all won't try.
Far-right activist blasts Speaker Phelan for being "pro-Muslim" in political mailer
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/24/texas-conservative-muslim-mailer-ramadan-dade-phelan/

Over 70% of Republican House members voted to impeach. When Senators got close to 21 votes, the judge (Lt Gov intervened by phoning two senators to threaten them with their chairmanships. Then after the trial, issued a daitribe from the bench. Imparialiality? Or carrying water for Trump.

Will you be working against the 3 Tx S. Ct judges who did not back Paxton's motion?
Three court of criminal appeal judges up for reelection targeted by Ken Paxton's political revenge machine
Paxton promised to go after the Republican judges over their 2021 ruling that struck down the attorney general's ability to unilaterally prosecute voter fraud.
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/13/ken-paxton-court-of-criminal-appeal-primary-republicans/

You guys have the burden of 2 probable trials of Paxton in the next 12 months. Are you guys carrying water for Guiliani too?

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I saw that mailer. Tough politics, but fair. There's no slander at all. Phelan actually did do the meeting and the PR of it. It's entirely appropriate to let voters know that our Speaker is playing nice with Muslim groups, and it's good politics to contrast that with the way he treats effective conservatives (attack them relentlessly with wildly contrived allegations of things Democrats are openly and widely doing).

I do think it is appropriate in the next election to have primary challenges against the judges who stopped Paxton from going after voter fraud. Election integrity is a high priority for the party and the public. Why would you want to go easy on people who cheat? Why would we want to let partisan prosecutors give cover to election shenanigans by their own party? Isn't what Paxton did an entirely appropriate exercise of checks & balances in a properly functioning system?

If Paxton is convicted, I'll assess the fairness of the trial to determine if we should move to impeach immediately or wait on appeals. It would look awkward to impose an irretractable punishment on a person whose conviction got overturned on appeals, would it not? You moderates have lost all appreciation for due process. Your standard seems to be that if you don't like someone, you can do anything you want. Moderates have turned into quite the authoritarians, in that regard.

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When Crooked Ken is convicted you'll visit him in prison.
Not likely to happen (the prison sentence).

Will Crooked Ken take the nickel in the civil depositions? It will be the first time he has been required to testify under oath because he refused to appear before the House Committee when asked by Chairman Leach.
He should take the 5th. No reason to let lawfare create a trap.

Regarding judges, does it bother you at all that Crooked Ken and Trump go after the judges who check their overreaching? Both apparently hate the idea of checks and balances
The voters will hold the judges accountable, one way or the other. It is amusing indeed to see you complaining about campaign rhetoric on this issue while remaining silent on the actual abuse of power Democrats are engaging in at state and federal level all across the country,

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Paxton is living rent-free in your brain, dude. Seek help.

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Phelan is living rent free in your brain. Have you sought help? Please advise

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You're the one who keeps coming back and posting nonsense.
I'm just posting facts.
And the facts are, the impeachment you ballyhooed (see thread title) turned into a Keystone Kops routine, precisely because of a series of bad decisions by leadership (your boy Dade) fortified with incompetent execution (by the people appointed by your boy Dade), resulting in either (at best) a guilty man getting off scott-free, or (at worst) an innocent man getting put unnecessarily thru the wringer at the cost of significant taxpayer expense and division within the GOP. (pretty clear latter is at least mostly the situation....)

Wise leadership would step away from the scene of their incompetence (failed impeachment) and go make news elsewhere on items that would restore goodwill with the voters (like passing school choice instead of fighting it). Wait for ongoing legal processes elsewhere to clunk forward. Maybe some actual evidence will come forth from the federal investigation. I mean, it's not like we couldn't expect juicy details about a GOP statewide official to leak from a Democrat-controlled DOJ. Or maybe even the Paxton trial will at long last happen and spin off some nasty testimony. Perhaps he might even be convicted. A conviction would build a lot of moral imperative to act, putting the House Speaker in the position of "reluctantly moving forward" rather than "I hate this guy and I"m gonna get him by hook or crook."

Seriously, dude. You do not have the goods. Continuing to grind away on Paxton just reminds everyone of how you like to play with turds & punchbowls.

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Whatever comes of the criminal investigations, we know for a fact that, at Paxton's direction, Paul had extraordinary access to the most powerful people in the attorney general's office to personally work on matters concerning Paul and Paul alone.

According to evidence presented during the impeachment, Paxton intervened on Paul's behalf in these major areas:
-- He tried to get the attorney general's office to give Paul access to protected law enforcement information about the ongoing criminal investigation.
-- He tried to have the office assist Paul in a lawsuit with the charitable Mitte Foundation.
-- He used the office's powers to halt foreclosure sales in Texas when properties belonging to Paul were going to be sold on the courthouse steps.
-- He personally deputized an outside attorney to issue grand jury subpoenas on Paul's behalf after his deputies refused to do so.
"In each instance, we were being asked to use the power of the office in a way that would provide no meaningful, tangible benefit to the people of the state of Texas," Bangert said.



https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/2023/12/31/how-ken-paxton-whistleblowers-stood-up-for-texas-and-the-truth/

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if those allegations were true, why was he not convicted?

Was it because there was a problem with the underlying allegations?
Was it because Phelan badly mishandled the entire process?

Seems to me it was a little of the former and a LOT of the latter.

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Because Patrick was paid off.

Duh.

****ing duh.

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Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

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That is a bull**** way to dodge. I don't come that often anymore. Your series of replies are why I choose not to waste my time.

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No, it's a thermonuclear torpedo to your argument. If you use the same exact "evidence" to allege one thing as you do another, then both are discredited when one is proven false.

You have no evidence that Paxton asked a donor to hire a mistress. You only have the fact that the donor did hire her and Paxton may not have immediately terminated the (ill-defined) relationship with her. That's it. That's all you got.

Your boy Phelan has a -9 approval rating. Because he screwed up the impeachment, from arsehole to appetite.

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Perhaps we will get more evidence. Will Paxton take the nickel?

December 20, 2023 4:27 PM
Judge Soifer rules Paxton can be compelled to give sworn testimony in whistleblower suit
Paxton's top staff, including first assistant AG Brent Webster, can also be deposed, per the order. Paxton was reportedly served with a subpoena today

The ruling means that for the first time, Paxton might be required to answer questions under oath about why he marshaled attorney general office resources to aid friend and campaign donor Nate Paul. The four former employees sued Paxton after the attorney general fired them for reporting him to the FBI in 2020.

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Drunk Dade could have done a better job getting to the bottom of that, couldn't he. He could have subpoena'd Paul, or Paul's associates, or any of Paxton's other staffers or political aides at the time. He could have put the (weak) witnesses he had up in front of the entire house to sing, sing, sing, so that the media tabloids would fill the internet with tales of wickedness and drive down Paxton's approval numbers. Coulda done that with all of those other sources, too (presuming there were any).

Or, he could have realized he didn't have the goods, wasn't likely to get the goods from any of those sources, thus waited for the results of the lawsuit (and prosecution, and FBI investigation) to spit out the goods, and move when circumstances were more favorable.

But ol' Drunk Dade didn't do any of that. He just scooped up a pile of accusations he couldn't prove, had a committee of cronies (chairman of which is facing doxxing charges and decided not to run for re-election) assemble them in secret from "witnesses" not sworn under oath, and then whipped his caucus into voting for impeachment without all the usual pageantry of impeachment like open hearings or cross-examinations. As a result, when the case got to the Senate and subjected to proper vetting of full sunlight.....it fell to pieces.

Best case you have, Oso, is that Drunk Dade botched the impeachment of a guilty man, who (if one accepts the premise of guilt) would have been delivered accountability anyway in civil or criminal court, or in a future impeachment done with far better preparation, evidence, and procedure. Worst case is, Paxton isn't nearly as dirty as his opponents need him to be and actually isn't impeachable. But ol' Drunk Dade screwed all of that up for you. You won't be able to get him replaced before 2024. Probably won't happen before his next election cycle, either. The failure of this impeachment drastically raises the bar for the next one.

You moderates really do need better leadership. If you could find some, you'd probably find it easier to get along with the 3/4 of the party you're fighting with (and losing to). Everyone would be better off without ol' Drunk Dade. Dude is far, far worse for the party than Paxton was, is, or ever could be. At least Paxton accomplishes things for his voters.

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Nice slime.
You guys are now sending out mailers accusing the Speaker of being pro-Muslim. Is there any slander y'all won't try.
Far-right activist blasts Speaker Phelan for being "pro-Muslim" in political mailer
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/24/texas-conservative-muslim-mailer-ramadan-dade-phelan/

Over 70% of Republican House members voted to impeach. When Senators got close to 21 votes, the judge (Lt Gov intervened by phoning two senators to threaten them with their chairmanships. Then after the trial, issued a daitribe from the bench. Imparialiality? Or carrying water for Trump.

Will you be working against the 3 Tx S. Ct judges who did not back Paxton's motion?
Three court of criminal appeal judges up for reelection targeted by Ken Paxton's political revenge machine
Paxton promised to go after the Republican judges over their 2021 ruling that struck down the attorney general's ability to unilaterally prosecute voter fraud.
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/13/ken-paxton-court-of-criminal-appeal-primary-republicans/

You guys have the burden of 2 probable trials of Paxton in the next 12 months. Are you guys carrying water for Guiliani too?

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I saw that mailer. Tough politics, but fair. There's no slander at all. Phelan actually did do the meeting and the PR of it. It's entirely appropriate to let voters know that our Speaker is playing nice with Muslim groups, and it's good politics to contrast that with the way he treats effective conservatives (attack them relentlessly with wildly contrived allegations of things Democrats are openly and widely doing).

I do think it is appropriate in the next election to have primary challenges against the judges who stopped Paxton from going after voter fraud. Election integrity is a high priority for the party and the public. Why would you want to go easy on people who cheat? Why would we want to let partisan prosecutors give cover to election shenanigans by their own party? Isn't what Paxton did an entirely appropriate exercise of checks & balances in a properly functioning system?

If Paxton is convicted, I'll assess the fairness of the trial to determine if we should move to impeach immediately or wait on appeals. It would look awkward to impose an irretractable punishment on a person whose conviction got overturned on appeals, would it not? You moderates have lost all appreciation for due process. Your standard seems to be that if you don't like someone, you can do anything you want. Moderates have turned into quite the authoritarians, in that regard.

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When Crooked Ken is convicted you'll visit him in prison.
Not likely to happen (the prison sentence).

Will Crooked Ken take the nickel in the civil depositions? It will be the first time he has been required to testify under oath because he refused to appear before the House Committee when asked by Chairman Leach.
He should take the 5th. No reason to let lawfare create a trap.

Regarding judges, does it bother you at all that Crooked Ken and Trump go after the judges who check their overreaching? Both apparently hate the idea of checks and balances
The voters will hold the judges accountable, one way or the other. It is amusing indeed to see you complaining about campaign rhetoric on this issue while remaining silent on the actual abuse of power Democrats are engaging in at state and federal level all across the country,

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Paxton is living rent-free in your brain, dude. Seek help.

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Phelan is living rent free in your brain. Have you sought help? Please advise

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You're the one who keeps coming back and posting nonsense.
I'm just posting facts.
And the facts are, the impeachment you ballyhooed (see thread title) turned into a Keystone Kops routine, precisely because of a series of bad decisions by leadership (your boy Dade) fortified with incompetent execution (by the people appointed by your boy Dade), resulting in either (at best) a guilty man getting off scott-free, or (at worst) an innocent man getting put unnecessarily thru the wringer at the cost of significant taxpayer expense and division within the GOP. (pretty clear latter is at least mostly the situation....)

Wise leadership would step away from the scene of their incompetence (failed impeachment) and go make news elsewhere on items that would restore goodwill with the voters (like passing school choice instead of fighting it). Wait for ongoing legal processes elsewhere to clunk forward. Maybe some actual evidence will come forth from the federal investigation. I mean, it's not like we couldn't expect juicy details about a GOP statewide official to leak from a Democrat-controlled DOJ. Or maybe even the Paxton trial will at long last happen and spin off some nasty testimony. Perhaps he might even be convicted. A conviction would build a lot of moral imperative to act, putting the House Speaker in the position of "reluctantly moving forward" rather than "I hate this guy and I"m gonna get him by hook or crook."

Seriously, dude. You do not have the goods. Continuing to grind away on Paxton just reminds everyone of how you like to play with turds & punchbowls.

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Whatever comes of the criminal investigations, we know for a fact that, at Paxton's direction, Paul had extraordinary access to the most powerful people in the attorney general's office to personally work on matters concerning Paul and Paul alone.

According to evidence presented during the impeachment, Paxton intervened on Paul's behalf in these major areas:
-- He tried to get the attorney general's office to give Paul access to protected law enforcement information about the ongoing criminal investigation.
-- He tried to have the office assist Paul in a lawsuit with the charitable Mitte Foundation.
-- He used the office's powers to halt foreclosure sales in Texas when properties belonging to Paul were going to be sold on the courthouse steps.
-- He personally deputized an outside attorney to issue grand jury subpoenas on Paul's behalf after his deputies refused to do so.
"In each instance, we were being asked to use the power of the office in a way that would provide no meaningful, tangible benefit to the people of the state of Texas," Bangert said.



https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/2023/12/31/how-ken-paxton-whistleblowers-stood-up-for-texas-and-the-truth/

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if those allegations were true, why was he not convicted?

Was it because there was a problem with the underlying allegations?
Was it because Phelan badly mishandled the entire process?

Seems to me it was a little of the former and a LOT of the latter.

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Because Patrick was paid off.

Duh.

****ing duh.

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Ahh, just like the whistleblowers.

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Osodecentx said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

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That is a bull**** way to dodge. I don't come that often anymore. Your series of replies are why I choose not to waste my time.

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No, it's a thermonuclear torpedo to your argument. If you use the same exact "evidence" to allege one thing as you do another, then both are discredited when one is proven false.

You have no evidence that Paxton asked a donor to hire a mistress. You only have the fact that the donor did hire her and Paxton may not have immediately terminated the (ill-defined) relationship with her. That's it. That's all you got.

Your boy Phelan has a -9 approval rating. Because he screwed up the impeachment, from arsehole to appetite.

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Perhaps we will get more evidence. Will Paxton take the nickel?

December 20, 2023 4:27 PM
Judge Soifer rules Paxton can be compelled to give sworn testimony in whistleblower suit
Paxton's top staff, including first assistant AG Brent Webster, can also be deposed, per the order. Paxton was reportedly served with a subpoena today

The ruling means that for the first time, Paxton might be required to answer questions under oath about why he marshaled attorney general office resources to aid friend and campaign donor Nate Paul. The four former employees sued Paxton after the attorney general fired them for reporting him to the FBI in 2020.

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Drunk Dade could have done a better job getting to the bottom of that, couldn't he. He could have subpoena'd Paul, or Paul's associates, or any of Paxton's other staffers or political aides at the time. He could have put the (weak) witnesses he had up in front of the entire house to sing, sing, sing, so that the media tabloids would fill the internet with tales of wickedness and drive down Paxton's approval numbers. Coulda done that with all of those other sources, too (presuming there were any).

Or, he could have realized he didn't have the goods, wasn't likely to get the goods from any of those sources, thus waited for the results of the lawsuit (and prosecution, and FBI investigation) to spit out the goods, and move when circumstances were more favorable.

But ol' Drunk Dade didn't do any of that. He just scooped up a pile of accusations he couldn't prove, had a committee of cronies (chairman of which is facing doxxing charges and decided not to run for re-election) assemble them in secret from "witnesses" not sworn under oath, and then whipped his caucus into voting for impeachment without all the usual pageantry of impeachment like open hearings or cross-examinations. As a result, when the case got to the Senate and subjected to proper vetting of full sunlight.....it fell to pieces.

Best case you have, Oso, is that Drunk Dade botched the impeachment of a guilty man, who (if one accepts the premise of guilt) would have been delivered accountability anyway in civil or criminal court, or in a future impeachment done with far better preparation, evidence, and procedure. Worst case is, Paxton isn't nearly as dirty as his opponents need him to be and actually isn't impeachable. But ol' Drunk Dade screwed all of that up for you. You won't be able to get him replaced before 2024. Probably won't happen before his next election cycle, either. The failure of this impeachment drastically raises the bar for the next one.

You moderates really do need better leadership. If you could find some, you'd probably find it easier to get along with the 3/4 of the party you're fighting with (and losing to). Everyone would be better off without ol' Drunk Dade. Dude is far, far worse for the party than Paxton was, is, or ever could be. At least Paxton accomplishes things for his voters.

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Nice slime.
You guys are now sending out mailers accusing the Speaker of being pro-Muslim. Is there any slander y'all won't try.
Far-right activist blasts Speaker Phelan for being "pro-Muslim" in political mailer
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/24/texas-conservative-muslim-mailer-ramadan-dade-phelan/

Over 70% of Republican House members voted to impeach. When Senators got close to 21 votes, the judge (Lt Gov intervened by phoning two senators to threaten them with their chairmanships. Then after the trial, issued a daitribe from the bench. Imparialiality? Or carrying water for Trump.

Will you be working against the 3 Tx S. Ct judges who did not back Paxton's motion?
Three court of criminal appeal judges up for reelection targeted by Ken Paxton's political revenge machine
Paxton promised to go after the Republican judges over their 2021 ruling that struck down the attorney general's ability to unilaterally prosecute voter fraud.
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/13/ken-paxton-court-of-criminal-appeal-primary-republicans/

You guys have the burden of 2 probable trials of Paxton in the next 12 months. Are you guys carrying water for Guiliani too?

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I saw that mailer. Tough politics, but fair. There's no slander at all. Phelan actually did do the meeting and the PR of it. It's entirely appropriate to let voters know that our Speaker is playing nice with Muslim groups, and it's good politics to contrast that with the way he treats effective conservatives (attack them relentlessly with wildly contrived allegations of things Democrats are openly and widely doing).

I do think it is appropriate in the next election to have primary challenges against the judges who stopped Paxton from going after voter fraud. Election integrity is a high priority for the party and the public. Why would you want to go easy on people who cheat? Why would we want to let partisan prosecutors give cover to election shenanigans by their own party? Isn't what Paxton did an entirely appropriate exercise of checks & balances in a properly functioning system?

If Paxton is convicted, I'll assess the fairness of the trial to determine if we should move to impeach immediately or wait on appeals. It would look awkward to impose an irretractable punishment on a person whose conviction got overturned on appeals, would it not? You moderates have lost all appreciation for due process. Your standard seems to be that if you don't like someone, you can do anything you want. Moderates have turned into quite the authoritarians, in that regard.

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When Crooked Ken is convicted you'll visit him in prison.
Not likely to happen (the prison sentence).

Will Crooked Ken take the nickel in the civil depositions? It will be the first time he has been required to testify under oath because he refused to appear before the House Committee when asked by Chairman Leach.
He should take the 5th. No reason to let lawfare create a trap.

Regarding judges, does it bother you at all that Crooked Ken and Trump go after the judges who check their overreaching? Both apparently hate the idea of checks and balances
The voters will hold the judges accountable, one way or the other. It is amusing indeed to see you complaining about campaign rhetoric on this issue while remaining silent on the actual abuse of power Democrats are engaging in at state and federal level all across the country,

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Paxton is living rent-free in your brain, dude. Seek help.

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Phelan is living rent free in your brain. Have you sought help? Please advise

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You're the one who keeps coming back and posting nonsense.
I'm just posting facts.
And the facts are, the impeachment you ballyhooed (see thread title) turned into a Keystone Kops routine, precisely because of a series of bad decisions by leadership (your boy Dade) fortified with incompetent execution (by the people appointed by your boy Dade), resulting in either (at best) a guilty man getting off scott-free, or (at worst) an innocent man getting put unnecessarily thru the wringer at the cost of significant taxpayer expense and division within the GOP. (pretty clear latter is at least mostly the situation....)

Wise leadership would step away from the scene of their incompetence (failed impeachment) and go make news elsewhere on items that would restore goodwill with the voters (like passing school choice instead of fighting it). Wait for ongoing legal processes elsewhere to clunk forward. Maybe some actual evidence will come forth from the federal investigation. I mean, it's not like we couldn't expect juicy details about a GOP statewide official to leak from a Democrat-controlled DOJ. Or maybe even the Paxton trial will at long last happen and spin off some nasty testimony. Perhaps he might even be convicted. A conviction would build a lot of moral imperative to act, putting the House Speaker in the position of "reluctantly moving forward" rather than "I hate this guy and I"m gonna get him by hook or crook."

Seriously, dude. You do not have the goods. Continuing to grind away on Paxton just reminds everyone of how you like to play with turds & punchbowls.

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Whatever comes of the criminal investigations, we know for a fact that, at Paxton's direction, Paul had extraordinary access to the most powerful people in the attorney general's office to personally work on matters concerning Paul and Paul alone.

According to evidence presented during the impeachment, Paxton intervened on Paul's behalf in these major areas:
-- He tried to get the attorney general's office to give Paul access to protected law enforcement information about the ongoing criminal investigation.
-- He tried to have the office assist Paul in a lawsuit with the charitable Mitte Foundation.
-- He used the office's powers to halt foreclosure sales in Texas when properties belonging to Paul were going to be sold on the courthouse steps.
-- He personally deputized an outside attorney to issue grand jury subpoenas on Paul's behalf after his deputies refused to do so.
"In each instance, we were being asked to use the power of the office in a way that would provide no meaningful, tangible benefit to the people of the state of Texas," Bangert said.



https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/2023/12/31/how-ken-paxton-whistleblowers-stood-up-for-texas-and-the-truth/

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if those allegations were true, why was he not convicted?

Was it because there was a problem with the underlying allegations?
Was it because Phelan badly mishandled the entire process?

Seems to me it was a little of the former and a LOT of the latter.

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Because Patrick was paid off.

Duh.

****ing duh.

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Ahh, just like the whistleblowers.

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Paxton concedes that several impeachment counts were true

Republican state senator calls for Ken Paxton impeachment to be revisited
North Texas Sen. Drew Springer voted to acquit Paxton but said conceding a whistleblower lawsuit threatens to "make a mockery" of the Senate's impeachment trial.

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Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

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That is a bull**** way to dodge. I don't come that often anymore. Your series of replies are why I choose not to waste my time.

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No, it's a thermonuclear torpedo to your argument. If you use the same exact "evidence" to allege one thing as you do another, then both are discredited when one is proven false.

You have no evidence that Paxton asked a donor to hire a mistress. You only have the fact that the donor did hire her and Paxton may not have immediately terminated the (ill-defined) relationship with her. That's it. That's all you got.

Your boy Phelan has a -9 approval rating. Because he screwed up the impeachment, from arsehole to appetite.

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Perhaps we will get more evidence. Will Paxton take the nickel?

December 20, 2023 4:27 PM
Judge Soifer rules Paxton can be compelled to give sworn testimony in whistleblower suit
Paxton's top staff, including first assistant AG Brent Webster, can also be deposed, per the order. Paxton was reportedly served with a subpoena today

The ruling means that for the first time, Paxton might be required to answer questions under oath about why he marshaled attorney general office resources to aid friend and campaign donor Nate Paul. The four former employees sued Paxton after the attorney general fired them for reporting him to the FBI in 2020.

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Drunk Dade could have done a better job getting to the bottom of that, couldn't he. He could have subpoena'd Paul, or Paul's associates, or any of Paxton's other staffers or political aides at the time. He could have put the (weak) witnesses he had up in front of the entire house to sing, sing, sing, so that the media tabloids would fill the internet with tales of wickedness and drive down Paxton's approval numbers. Coulda done that with all of those other sources, too (presuming there were any).

Or, he could have realized he didn't have the goods, wasn't likely to get the goods from any of those sources, thus waited for the results of the lawsuit (and prosecution, and FBI investigation) to spit out the goods, and move when circumstances were more favorable.

But ol' Drunk Dade didn't do any of that. He just scooped up a pile of accusations he couldn't prove, had a committee of cronies (chairman of which is facing doxxing charges and decided not to run for re-election) assemble them in secret from "witnesses" not sworn under oath, and then whipped his caucus into voting for impeachment without all the usual pageantry of impeachment like open hearings or cross-examinations. As a result, when the case got to the Senate and subjected to proper vetting of full sunlight.....it fell to pieces.

Best case you have, Oso, is that Drunk Dade botched the impeachment of a guilty man, who (if one accepts the premise of guilt) would have been delivered accountability anyway in civil or criminal court, or in a future impeachment done with far better preparation, evidence, and procedure. Worst case is, Paxton isn't nearly as dirty as his opponents need him to be and actually isn't impeachable. But ol' Drunk Dade screwed all of that up for you. You won't be able to get him replaced before 2024. Probably won't happen before his next election cycle, either. The failure of this impeachment drastically raises the bar for the next one.

You moderates really do need better leadership. If you could find some, you'd probably find it easier to get along with the 3/4 of the party you're fighting with (and losing to). Everyone would be better off without ol' Drunk Dade. Dude is far, far worse for the party than Paxton was, is, or ever could be. At least Paxton accomplishes things for his voters.

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Nice slime.
You guys are now sending out mailers accusing the Speaker of being pro-Muslim. Is there any slander y'all won't try.
Far-right activist blasts Speaker Phelan for being "pro-Muslim" in political mailer
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/24/texas-conservative-muslim-mailer-ramadan-dade-phelan/

Over 70% of Republican House members voted to impeach. When Senators got close to 21 votes, the judge (Lt Gov intervened by phoning two senators to threaten them with their chairmanships. Then after the trial, issued a daitribe from the bench. Imparialiality? Or carrying water for Trump.

Will you be working against the 3 Tx S. Ct judges who did not back Paxton's motion?
Three court of criminal appeal judges up for reelection targeted by Ken Paxton's political revenge machine
Paxton promised to go after the Republican judges over their 2021 ruling that struck down the attorney general's ability to unilaterally prosecute voter fraud.
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/13/ken-paxton-court-of-criminal-appeal-primary-republicans/

You guys have the burden of 2 probable trials of Paxton in the next 12 months. Are you guys carrying water for Guiliani too?

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I saw that mailer. Tough politics, but fair. There's no slander at all. Phelan actually did do the meeting and the PR of it. It's entirely appropriate to let voters know that our Speaker is playing nice with Muslim groups, and it's good politics to contrast that with the way he treats effective conservatives (attack them relentlessly with wildly contrived allegations of things Democrats are openly and widely doing).

I do think it is appropriate in the next election to have primary challenges against the judges who stopped Paxton from going after voter fraud. Election integrity is a high priority for the party and the public. Why would you want to go easy on people who cheat? Why would we want to let partisan prosecutors give cover to election shenanigans by their own party? Isn't what Paxton did an entirely appropriate exercise of checks & balances in a properly functioning system?

If Paxton is convicted, I'll assess the fairness of the trial to determine if we should move to impeach immediately or wait on appeals. It would look awkward to impose an irretractable punishment on a person whose conviction got overturned on appeals, would it not? You moderates have lost all appreciation for due process. Your standard seems to be that if you don't like someone, you can do anything you want. Moderates have turned into quite the authoritarians, in that regard.

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When Crooked Ken is convicted you'll visit him in prison.
Not likely to happen (the prison sentence).

Will Crooked Ken take the nickel in the civil depositions? It will be the first time he has been required to testify under oath because he refused to appear before the House Committee when asked by Chairman Leach.
He should take the 5th. No reason to let lawfare create a trap.

Regarding judges, does it bother you at all that Crooked Ken and Trump go after the judges who check their overreaching? Both apparently hate the idea of checks and balances
The voters will hold the judges accountable, one way or the other. It is amusing indeed to see you complaining about campaign rhetoric on this issue while remaining silent on the actual abuse of power Democrats are engaging in at state and federal level all across the country,

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Paxton is living rent-free in your brain, dude. Seek help.

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Phelan is living rent free in your brain. Have you sought help? Please advise

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You're the one who keeps coming back and posting nonsense.
I'm just posting facts.
And the facts are, the impeachment you ballyhooed (see thread title) turned into a Keystone Kops routine, precisely because of a series of bad decisions by leadership (your boy Dade) fortified with incompetent execution (by the people appointed by your boy Dade), resulting in either (at best) a guilty man getting off scott-free, or (at worst) an innocent man getting put unnecessarily thru the wringer at the cost of significant taxpayer expense and division within the GOP. (pretty clear latter is at least mostly the situation....)

Wise leadership would step away from the scene of their incompetence (failed impeachment) and go make news elsewhere on items that would restore goodwill with the voters (like passing school choice instead of fighting it). Wait for ongoing legal processes elsewhere to clunk forward. Maybe some actual evidence will come forth from the federal investigation. I mean, it's not like we couldn't expect juicy details about a GOP statewide official to leak from a Democrat-controlled DOJ. Or maybe even the Paxton trial will at long last happen and spin off some nasty testimony. Perhaps he might even be convicted. A conviction would build a lot of moral imperative to act, putting the House Speaker in the position of "reluctantly moving forward" rather than "I hate this guy and I"m gonna get him by hook or crook."

Seriously, dude. You do not have the goods. Continuing to grind away on Paxton just reminds everyone of how you like to play with turds & punchbowls.

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Whatever comes of the criminal investigations, we know for a fact that, at Paxton's direction, Paul had extraordinary access to the most powerful people in the attorney general's office to personally work on matters concerning Paul and Paul alone.

According to evidence presented during the impeachment, Paxton intervened on Paul's behalf in these major areas:
-- He tried to get the attorney general's office to give Paul access to protected law enforcement information about the ongoing criminal investigation.
-- He tried to have the office assist Paul in a lawsuit with the charitable Mitte Foundation.
-- He used the office's powers to halt foreclosure sales in Texas when properties belonging to Paul were going to be sold on the courthouse steps.
-- He personally deputized an outside attorney to issue grand jury subpoenas on Paul's behalf after his deputies refused to do so.
"In each instance, we were being asked to use the power of the office in a way that would provide no meaningful, tangible benefit to the people of the state of Texas," Bangert said.



https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/2023/12/31/how-ken-paxton-whistleblowers-stood-up-for-texas-and-the-truth/

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if those allegations were true, why was he not convicted?

Was it because there was a problem with the underlying allegations?
Was it because Phelan badly mishandled the entire process?

Seems to me it was a little of the former and a LOT of the latter.

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Because Patrick was paid off.

Duh.

****ing duh.

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Ahh, just like the whistleblowers.

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Paxton concedes that several impeachment counts were true

Republican state senator calls for Ken Paxton impeachment to be revisited
North Texas Sen. Drew Springer voted to acquit Paxton but said conceding a whistleblower lawsuit threatens to "make a mockery" of the Senate's impeachment trial.

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Thanks!

3rd Court of Appeals rejects Paxton’s latest attempt to shut down whistleblower lawsuit in Travis County #txlege pic.twitter.com/0pvwqjLgcC

— Patrick Svitek (@PatrickSvitek) January 26, 2024

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That is a bull**** way to dodge. I don't come that often anymore. Your series of replies are why I choose not to waste my time.

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No, it's a thermonuclear torpedo to your argument. If you use the same exact "evidence" to allege one thing as you do another, then both are discredited when one is proven false.

You have no evidence that Paxton asked a donor to hire a mistress. You only have the fact that the donor did hire her and Paxton may not have immediately terminated the (ill-defined) relationship with her. That's it. That's all you got.

Your boy Phelan has a -9 approval rating. Because he screwed up the impeachment, from arsehole to appetite.

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Perhaps we will get more evidence. Will Paxton take the nickel?

December 20, 2023 4:27 PM
Judge Soifer rules Paxton can be compelled to give sworn testimony in whistleblower suit
Paxton's top staff, including first assistant AG Brent Webster, can also be deposed, per the order. Paxton was reportedly served with a subpoena today

The ruling means that for the first time, Paxton might be required to answer questions under oath about why he marshaled attorney general office resources to aid friend and campaign donor Nate Paul. The four former employees sued Paxton after the attorney general fired them for reporting him to the FBI in 2020.

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Drunk Dade could have done a better job getting to the bottom of that, couldn't he. He could have subpoena'd Paul, or Paul's associates, or any of Paxton's other staffers or political aides at the time. He could have put the (weak) witnesses he had up in front of the entire house to sing, sing, sing, so that the media tabloids would fill the internet with tales of wickedness and drive down Paxton's approval numbers. Coulda done that with all of those other sources, too (presuming there were any).

Or, he could have realized he didn't have the goods, wasn't likely to get the goods from any of those sources, thus waited for the results of the lawsuit (and prosecution, and FBI investigation) to spit out the goods, and move when circumstances were more favorable.

But ol' Drunk Dade didn't do any of that. He just scooped up a pile of accusations he couldn't prove, had a committee of cronies (chairman of which is facing doxxing charges and decided not to run for re-election) assemble them in secret from "witnesses" not sworn under oath, and then whipped his caucus into voting for impeachment without all the usual pageantry of impeachment like open hearings or cross-examinations. As a result, when the case got to the Senate and subjected to proper vetting of full sunlight.....it fell to pieces.

Best case you have, Oso, is that Drunk Dade botched the impeachment of a guilty man, who (if one accepts the premise of guilt) would have been delivered accountability anyway in civil or criminal court, or in a future impeachment done with far better preparation, evidence, and procedure. Worst case is, Paxton isn't nearly as dirty as his opponents need him to be and actually isn't impeachable. But ol' Drunk Dade screwed all of that up for you. You won't be able to get him replaced before 2024. Probably won't happen before his next election cycle, either. The failure of this impeachment drastically raises the bar for the next one.

You moderates really do need better leadership. If you could find some, you'd probably find it easier to get along with the 3/4 of the party you're fighting with (and losing to). Everyone would be better off without ol' Drunk Dade. Dude is far, far worse for the party than Paxton was, is, or ever could be. At least Paxton accomplishes things for his voters.

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Nice slime.
You guys are now sending out mailers accusing the Speaker of being pro-Muslim. Is there any slander y'all won't try.
Far-right activist blasts Speaker Phelan for being "pro-Muslim" in political mailer
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/24/texas-conservative-muslim-mailer-ramadan-dade-phelan/

Over 70% of Republican House members voted to impeach. When Senators got close to 21 votes, the judge (Lt Gov intervened by phoning two senators to threaten them with their chairmanships. Then after the trial, issued a daitribe from the bench. Imparialiality? Or carrying water for Trump.

Will you be working against the 3 Tx S. Ct judges who did not back Paxton's motion?
Three court of criminal appeal judges up for reelection targeted by Ken Paxton's political revenge machine
Paxton promised to go after the Republican judges over their 2021 ruling that struck down the attorney general's ability to unilaterally prosecute voter fraud.
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/13/ken-paxton-court-of-criminal-appeal-primary-republicans/

You guys have the burden of 2 probable trials of Paxton in the next 12 months. Are you guys carrying water for Guiliani too?

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I saw that mailer. Tough politics, but fair. There's no slander at all. Phelan actually did do the meeting and the PR of it. It's entirely appropriate to let voters know that our Speaker is playing nice with Muslim groups, and it's good politics to contrast that with the way he treats effective conservatives (attack them relentlessly with wildly contrived allegations of things Democrats are openly and widely doing).

I do think it is appropriate in the next election to have primary challenges against the judges who stopped Paxton from going after voter fraud. Election integrity is a high priority for the party and the public. Why would you want to go easy on people who cheat? Why would we want to let partisan prosecutors give cover to election shenanigans by their own party? Isn't what Paxton did an entirely appropriate exercise of checks & balances in a properly functioning system?

If Paxton is convicted, I'll assess the fairness of the trial to determine if we should move to impeach immediately or wait on appeals. It would look awkward to impose an irretractable punishment on a person whose conviction got overturned on appeals, would it not? You moderates have lost all appreciation for due process. Your standard seems to be that if you don't like someone, you can do anything you want. Moderates have turned into quite the authoritarians, in that regard.

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When Crooked Ken is convicted you'll visit him in prison.
Not likely to happen (the prison sentence).

Will Crooked Ken take the nickel in the civil depositions? It will be the first time he has been required to testify under oath because he refused to appear before the House Committee when asked by Chairman Leach.
He should take the 5th. No reason to let lawfare create a trap.

Regarding judges, does it bother you at all that Crooked Ken and Trump go after the judges who check their overreaching? Both apparently hate the idea of checks and balances
The voters will hold the judges accountable, one way or the other. It is amusing indeed to see you complaining about campaign rhetoric on this issue while remaining silent on the actual abuse of power Democrats are engaging in at state and federal level all across the country,

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Paxton is living rent-free in your brain, dude. Seek help.

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Phelan is living rent free in your brain. Have you sought help? Please advise

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You're the one who keeps coming back and posting nonsense.
I'm just posting facts.
And the facts are, the impeachment you ballyhooed (see thread title) turned into a Keystone Kops routine, precisely because of a series of bad decisions by leadership (your boy Dade) fortified with incompetent execution (by the people appointed by your boy Dade), resulting in either (at best) a guilty man getting off scott-free, or (at worst) an innocent man getting put unnecessarily thru the wringer at the cost of significant taxpayer expense and division within the GOP. (pretty clear latter is at least mostly the situation....)

Wise leadership would step away from the scene of their incompetence (failed impeachment) and go make news elsewhere on items that would restore goodwill with the voters (like passing school choice instead of fighting it). Wait for ongoing legal processes elsewhere to clunk forward. Maybe some actual evidence will come forth from the federal investigation. I mean, it's not like we couldn't expect juicy details about a GOP statewide official to leak from a Democrat-controlled DOJ. Or maybe even the Paxton trial will at long last happen and spin off some nasty testimony. Perhaps he might even be convicted. A conviction would build a lot of moral imperative to act, putting the House Speaker in the position of "reluctantly moving forward" rather than "I hate this guy and I"m gonna get him by hook or crook."

Seriously, dude. You do not have the goods. Continuing to grind away on Paxton just reminds everyone of how you like to play with turds & punchbowls.

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Whatever comes of the criminal investigations, we know for a fact that, at Paxton's direction, Paul had extraordinary access to the most powerful people in the attorney general's office to personally work on matters concerning Paul and Paul alone.

According to evidence presented during the impeachment, Paxton intervened on Paul's behalf in these major areas:
-- He tried to get the attorney general's office to give Paul access to protected law enforcement information about the ongoing criminal investigation.
-- He tried to have the office assist Paul in a lawsuit with the charitable Mitte Foundation.
-- He used the office's powers to halt foreclosure sales in Texas when properties belonging to Paul were going to be sold on the courthouse steps.
-- He personally deputized an outside attorney to issue grand jury subpoenas on Paul's behalf after his deputies refused to do so.
"In each instance, we were being asked to use the power of the office in a way that would provide no meaningful, tangible benefit to the people of the state of Texas," Bangert said.



https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/2023/12/31/how-ken-paxton-whistleblowers-stood-up-for-texas-and-the-truth/

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if those allegations were true, why was he not convicted?

Was it because there was a problem with the underlying allegations?
Was it because Phelan badly mishandled the entire process?

Seems to me it was a little of the former and a LOT of the latter.

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Because Patrick was paid off.

Duh.

****ing duh.

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Ahh, just like the whistleblowers.

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Paxton concedes that several impeachment counts were true

Republican state senator calls for Ken Paxton impeachment to be revisited
North Texas Sen. Drew Springer voted to acquit Paxton but said conceding a whistleblower lawsuit threatens to "make a mockery" of the Senate's impeachment trial.

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Thanks!

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Paxton admitted he violated the Texas Whistleblower Act and confirmed offenses laid out in Texas House Impeachment Articles 6, 7, 8 and 15.

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Paxton is living rent-free in your brain, dude. Seek help.

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Phelan is living rent free in your brain. Have you sought help? Please advise

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You're the one who keeps coming back and posting nonsense.
I'm just posting facts.
And the facts are, the impeachment you ballyhooed (see thread title) turned into a Keystone Kops routine, precisely because of a series of bad decisions by leadership (your boy Dade) fortified with incompetent execution (by the people appointed by your boy Dade), resulting in either (at best) a guilty man getting off scott-free, or (at worst) an innocent man getting put unnecessarily thru the wringer at the cost of significant taxpayer expense and division within the GOP. (pretty clear latter is at least mostly the situation....)

Wise leadership would step away from the scene of their incompetence (failed impeachment) and go make news elsewhere on items that would restore goodwill with the voters (like passing school choice instead of fighting it). Wait for ongoing legal processes elsewhere to clunk forward. Maybe some actual evidence will come forth from the federal investigation. I mean, it's not like we couldn't expect juicy details about a GOP statewide official to leak from a Democrat-controlled DOJ. Or maybe even the Paxton trial will at long last happen and spin off some nasty testimony. Perhaps he might even be convicted. A conviction would build a lot of moral imperative to act, putting the House Speaker in the position of "reluctantly moving forward" rather than "I hate this guy and I"m gonna get him by hook or crook."

Seriously, dude. You do not have the goods. Continuing to grind away on Paxton just reminds everyone of how you like to play with turds & punchbowls.

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Whatever comes of the criminal investigations, we know for a fact that, at Paxton's direction, Paul had extraordinary access to the most powerful people in the attorney general's office to personally work on matters concerning Paul and Paul alone.

According to evidence presented during the impeachment, Paxton intervened on Paul's behalf in these major areas:
-- He tried to get the attorney general's office to give Paul access to protected law enforcement information about the ongoing criminal investigation.
-- He tried to have the office assist Paul in a lawsuit with the charitable Mitte Foundation.
-- He used the office's powers to halt foreclosure sales in Texas when properties belonging to Paul were going to be sold on the courthouse steps.
-- He personally deputized an outside attorney to issue grand jury subpoenas on Paul's behalf after his deputies refused to do so.
"In each instance, we were being asked to use the power of the office in a way that would provide no meaningful, tangible benefit to the people of the state of Texas," Bangert said.



https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/2023/12/31/how-ken-paxton-whistleblowers-stood-up-for-texas-and-the-truth/

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if those allegations were true, why was he not convicted?

Was it because there was a problem with the underlying allegations?
Was it because Phelan badly mishandled the entire process?

Seems to me it was a little of the former and a LOT of the latter.

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Because Patrick was paid off.

Duh.

****ing duh.

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Ahh, just like the whistleblowers.

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Paxton concedes that several impeachment counts were true

Republican state senator calls for Ken Paxton impeachment to be revisited
North Texas Sen. Drew Springer voted to acquit Paxton but said conceding a whistleblower lawsuit threatens to "make a mockery" of the Senate's impeachment trial.

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Thanks!

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Paxton admitted he violated the Texas Whistleblower Act and confirmed offenses laid out in Texas House Impeachment Articles 6, 7, 8 and 15.

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What a shame ol' Drunk Dade didn't wait a little longer for these trials to occur. Think of all the evidence he would have had!

Paxton has at least been effective on the job. Dade has shown incompetence all the way across the board.

Your angst is ironically misplaced......

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Paxton is living rent-free in your brain, dude. Seek help.

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Phelan is living rent free in your brain. Have you sought help? Please advise

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You're the one who keeps coming back and posting nonsense.
I'm just posting facts.
And the facts are, the impeachment you ballyhooed (see thread title) turned into a Keystone Kops routine, precisely because of a series of bad decisions by leadership (your boy Dade) fortified with incompetent execution (by the people appointed by your boy Dade), resulting in either (at best) a guilty man getting off scott-free, or (at worst) an innocent man getting put unnecessarily thru the wringer at the cost of significant taxpayer expense and division within the GOP. (pretty clear latter is at least mostly the situation....)

Wise leadership would step away from the scene of their incompetence (failed impeachment) and go make news elsewhere on items that would restore goodwill with the voters (like passing school choice instead of fighting it). Wait for ongoing legal processes elsewhere to clunk forward. Maybe some actual evidence will come forth from the federal investigation. I mean, it's not like we couldn't expect juicy details about a GOP statewide official to leak from a Democrat-controlled DOJ. Or maybe even the Paxton trial will at long last happen and spin off some nasty testimony. Perhaps he might even be convicted. A conviction would build a lot of moral imperative to act, putting the House Speaker in the position of "reluctantly moving forward" rather than "I hate this guy and I"m gonna get him by hook or crook."

Seriously, dude. You do not have the goods. Continuing to grind away on Paxton just reminds everyone of how you like to play with turds & punchbowls.

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Whatever comes of the criminal investigations, we know for a fact that, at Paxton's direction, Paul had extraordinary access to the most powerful people in the attorney general's office to personally work on matters concerning Paul and Paul alone.

According to evidence presented during the impeachment, Paxton intervened on Paul's behalf in these major areas:
-- He tried to get the attorney general's office to give Paul access to protected law enforcement information about the ongoing criminal investigation.
-- He tried to have the office assist Paul in a lawsuit with the charitable Mitte Foundation.
-- He used the office's powers to halt foreclosure sales in Texas when properties belonging to Paul were going to be sold on the courthouse steps.
-- He personally deputized an outside attorney to issue grand jury subpoenas on Paul's behalf after his deputies refused to do so.
"In each instance, we were being asked to use the power of the office in a way that would provide no meaningful, tangible benefit to the people of the state of Texas," Bangert said.



https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/2023/12/31/how-ken-paxton-whistleblowers-stood-up-for-texas-and-the-truth/

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if those allegations were true, why was he not convicted?

Was it because there was a problem with the underlying allegations?
Was it because Phelan badly mishandled the entire process?

Seems to me it was a little of the former and a LOT of the latter.

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Because Patrick was paid off.

Duh.

****ing duh.

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Ahh, just like the whistleblowers.

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Paxton concedes that several impeachment counts were true

Republican state senator calls for Ken Paxton impeachment to be revisited
North Texas Sen. Drew Springer voted to acquit Paxton but said conceding a whistleblower lawsuit threatens to "make a mockery" of the Senate's impeachment trial.

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Thanks!

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Paxton admitted he violated the Texas Whistleblower Act and confirmed offenses laid out in Texas House Impeachment Articles 6, 7, 8 and 15.

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What a shame ol' Drunk Dade didn't wait a little longer for these trials to occur. Think of all the evidence he would have had!

Paxton has at least been effective on the job. Dade has shown incompetence all the way across the board.

Your angst is ironically misplaced......

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What a shame the judge lobbied the jurors for a not guilty verdict. When it looked like Senators were about to convict, the Lt Gov called them to lobby for NG verdicts.
Interesting that you cast aspersions on a Speaker and House (70%+) who impeached Crooked Ken.
Now that Crooked Ken admits guilt in 4 of the indictments, you continue to defend him.
Crooked Ken is splitting your party and you remain loyal to Paxton. Meanwhile, Cruz is in a dead heat for reelection.

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Paxton is living rent-free in your brain, dude. Seek help.

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Phelan is living rent free in your brain. Have you sought help? Please advise

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You're the one who keeps coming back and posting nonsense.
I'm just posting facts.
And the facts are, the impeachment you ballyhooed (see thread title) turned into a Keystone Kops routine, precisely because of a series of bad decisions by leadership (your boy Dade) fortified with incompetent execution (by the people appointed by your boy Dade), resulting in either (at best) a guilty man getting off scott-free, or (at worst) an innocent man getting put unnecessarily thru the wringer at the cost of significant taxpayer expense and division within the GOP. (pretty clear latter is at least mostly the situation....)

Wise leadership would step away from the scene of their incompetence (failed impeachment) and go make news elsewhere on items that would restore goodwill with the voters (like passing school choice instead of fighting it). Wait for ongoing legal processes elsewhere to clunk forward. Maybe some actual evidence will come forth from the federal investigation. I mean, it's not like we couldn't expect juicy details about a GOP statewide official to leak from a Democrat-controlled DOJ. Or maybe even the Paxton trial will at long last happen and spin off some nasty testimony. Perhaps he might even be convicted. A conviction would build a lot of moral imperative to act, putting the House Speaker in the position of "reluctantly moving forward" rather than "I hate this guy and I"m gonna get him by hook or crook."

Seriously, dude. You do not have the goods. Continuing to grind away on Paxton just reminds everyone of how you like to play with turds & punchbowls.

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Whatever comes of the criminal investigations, we know for a fact that, at Paxton's direction, Paul had extraordinary access to the most powerful people in the attorney general's office to personally work on matters concerning Paul and Paul alone.

According to evidence presented during the impeachment, Paxton intervened on Paul's behalf in these major areas:
-- He tried to get the attorney general's office to give Paul access to protected law enforcement information about the ongoing criminal investigation.
-- He tried to have the office assist Paul in a lawsuit with the charitable Mitte Foundation.
-- He used the office's powers to halt foreclosure sales in Texas when properties belonging to Paul were going to be sold on the courthouse steps.
-- He personally deputized an outside attorney to issue grand jury subpoenas on Paul's behalf after his deputies refused to do so.
"In each instance, we were being asked to use the power of the office in a way that would provide no meaningful, tangible benefit to the people of the state of Texas," Bangert said.



https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/2023/12/31/how-ken-paxton-whistleblowers-stood-up-for-texas-and-the-truth/

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if those allegations were true, why was he not convicted?

Was it because there was a problem with the underlying allegations?
Was it because Phelan badly mishandled the entire process?

Seems to me it was a little of the former and a LOT of the latter.

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Because Patrick was paid off.

Duh.

****ing duh.

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Ahh, just like the whistleblowers.

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Paxton concedes that several impeachment counts were true

Republican state senator calls for Ken Paxton impeachment to be revisited
North Texas Sen. Drew Springer voted to acquit Paxton but said conceding a whistleblower lawsuit threatens to "make a mockery" of the Senate's impeachment trial.

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Thanks!

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Paxton admitted he violated the Texas Whistleblower Act and confirmed offenses laid out in Texas House Impeachment Articles 6, 7, 8 and 15.

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What a shame ol' Drunk Dade didn't wait a little longer for these trials to occur. Think of all the evidence he would have had!

Paxton has at least been effective on the job. Dade has shown incompetence all the way across the board.

Your angst is ironically misplaced......

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What a shame the judge lobbied the jurors for a not guilty verdict. When it looked like Senators were about to convict, the Lt Gov called them to lobby for NG verdicts.
Interesting that you cast aspersions on a Speaker and House (70%+) who impeached Crooked Ken.
Now that Crooked Ken admits guilt in 4 of the indictments, you continue to defend him.
Crooked Ken is splitting your party and you remain loyal to Paxton. Meanwhile, Cruz is in a dead heat for reelection.

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I'm not casting aspersions. I'm holding leadership accountable for failure. Phelan decided to impeach, KNOWING other legal action would generate evidence for him to use. Instead of waiting, which would have benefited his moral, legal, and political authority, he acted rashly. He compounded that misjudgment by setting in motion an opaque process that merely collected allegations, rather than taking sworn testimony with a cross-examination process to vet evidence. That required him to do exactly what you accuse Patrick of doing - whipping the vote (because he did NOT have the goods). It worked in the house, but collapsed in the Senate, who correctly deemed the process so flawed as to be unfair, and of course very politically costly.

I said at the beginning of this thread that Phelan should wait. Time and events have proven me correct on that. Had he waited until the next session, OTHERS (putting a political firewall between himself & caucus and the GOP base) might well have uncovered proverbial smoking guns which would have made both impeachment and conviction unanimous. By acting prematurely, Phelan himself got smoked - he failed. Worse, his failure divided the party. He made his entire caucus more vulnerable to lobbying from the Gov. on other issues of importance to Phelan. Rarely do we see such an amateur hour unfold by political leadership.

Your anger seems adolescent, blaming large groups of others for conspiratorial nonsense rather than blaming the one person who screwed the pooch - Dade Phelan. You should take out your pique on him rather than lionizing his incompetence.

Phelan is actually in a no-win position on the Paxton question. If Paxton is ultimately convicted in court, it only highlights the incompetence of Phelan's impeachment process. And, of course, an acquittal would only highlight the incompetence of Phelan's judgment to impeach at all.

I would advise you to put down the shovel and quit digging..... Your efforts would be better spent finding a competent speaker.

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Paxton is living rent-free in your brain, dude. Seek help.

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Phelan is living rent free in your brain. Have you sought help? Please advise

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You're the one who keeps coming back and posting nonsense.
I'm just posting facts.
And the facts are, the impeachment you ballyhooed (see thread title) turned into a Keystone Kops routine, precisely because of a series of bad decisions by leadership (your boy Dade) fortified with incompetent execution (by the people appointed by your boy Dade), resulting in either (at best) a guilty man getting off scott-free, or (at worst) an innocent man getting put unnecessarily thru the wringer at the cost of significant taxpayer expense and division within the GOP. (pretty clear latter is at least mostly the situation....)

Wise leadership would step away from the scene of their incompetence (failed impeachment) and go make news elsewhere on items that would restore goodwill with the voters (like passing school choice instead of fighting it). Wait for ongoing legal processes elsewhere to clunk forward. Maybe some actual evidence will come forth from the federal investigation. I mean, it's not like we couldn't expect juicy details about a GOP statewide official to leak from a Democrat-controlled DOJ. Or maybe even the Paxton trial will at long last happen and spin off some nasty testimony. Perhaps he might even be convicted. A conviction would build a lot of moral imperative to act, putting the House Speaker in the position of "reluctantly moving forward" rather than "I hate this guy and I"m gonna get him by hook or crook."

Seriously, dude. You do not have the goods. Continuing to grind away on Paxton just reminds everyone of how you like to play with turds & punchbowls.

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Whatever comes of the criminal investigations, we know for a fact that, at Paxton's direction, Paul had extraordinary access to the most powerful people in the attorney general's office to personally work on matters concerning Paul and Paul alone.

According to evidence presented during the impeachment, Paxton intervened on Paul's behalf in these major areas:
-- He tried to get the attorney general's office to give Paul access to protected law enforcement information about the ongoing criminal investigation.
-- He tried to have the office assist Paul in a lawsuit with the charitable Mitte Foundation.
-- He used the office's powers to halt foreclosure sales in Texas when properties belonging to Paul were going to be sold on the courthouse steps.
-- He personally deputized an outside attorney to issue grand jury subpoenas on Paul's behalf after his deputies refused to do so.
"In each instance, we were being asked to use the power of the office in a way that would provide no meaningful, tangible benefit to the people of the state of Texas," Bangert said.



https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/2023/12/31/how-ken-paxton-whistleblowers-stood-up-for-texas-and-the-truth/

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if those allegations were true, why was he not convicted?

Was it because there was a problem with the underlying allegations?
Was it because Phelan badly mishandled the entire process?

Seems to me it was a little of the former and a LOT of the latter.

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Because Patrick was paid off.

Duh.

****ing duh.

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Ahh, just like the whistleblowers.

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Paxton concedes that several impeachment counts were true

Republican state senator calls for Ken Paxton impeachment to be revisited
North Texas Sen. Drew Springer voted to acquit Paxton but said conceding a whistleblower lawsuit threatens to "make a mockery" of the Senate's impeachment trial.

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Thanks!

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Paxton admitted he violated the Texas Whistleblower Act and confirmed offenses laid out in Texas House Impeachment Articles 6, 7, 8 and 15.

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What a shame ol' Drunk Dade didn't wait a little longer for these trials to occur. Think of all the evidence he would have had!

Paxton has at least been effective on the job. Dade has shown incompetence all the way across the board.

Your angst is ironically misplaced......

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What a shame the judge lobbied the jurors for a not guilty verdict. When it looked like Senators were about to convict, the Lt Gov called them to lobby for NG verdicts.
Interesting that you cast aspersions on a Speaker and House (70%+) who impeached Crooked Ken.
Now that Crooked Ken admits guilt in 4 of the indictments, you continue to defend him.
Crooked Ken is splitting your party and you remain loyal to Paxton. Meanwhile, Cruz is in a dead heat for reelection.

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I'm not casting aspersions. I'm holding leadership accountable for failure. Phelan decided to impeach, KNOWING other legal action would generate evidence for him to use. Instead of waiting, which would have benefited his moral, legal, and political authority, he acted rashly. He compounded that misjudgment by setting in motion an opaque process that merely collected allegations, rather than taking sworn testimony with a cross-examination process to vet evidence. That required him to do exactly what you accuse Patrick of doing - whipping the vote (because he did NOT have the goods). It worked in the house, but collapsed in the Senate, who correctly deemed the process so flawed as to be unfair, and of course very politically costly.

I said at the beginning of this thread that Phelan should wait. Time and events have proven me correct on that. Had he waited until the next session, OTHERS (putting a political firewall between himself & caucus and the GOP base) might well have uncovered proverbial smoking guns which would have made both impeachment and conviction unanimous. By acting prematurely, Phelan himself got smoked - he failed. Worse, his failure divided the party. He made his entire caucus more vulnerable to lobbying from the Gov. on other issues of importance to Phelan. Rarely do we see such an amateur hour unfold by political leadership.

Your anger seems adolescent, blaming large groups of others for conspiratorial nonsense rather than blaming the one person who screwed the pooch - Dade Phelan. You should take out your pique on him rather than lionizing his incompetence.

Phelan is actually in a no-win position on the Paxton question. If Paxton is ultimately convicted in court, it only highlights the incompetence of Phelan's impeachment process. And, of course, an acquittal would only highlight the incompetence of Phelan's judgment to impeach at all.

I would advise you to put down the shovel and quit digging..... Your efforts would be better spent finding a competent speaker.

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The House impeached a crooked AG and you blame the House.
You say Phelan divides your party, and the crooked AG recruits candidates to run against honest incumbents.
The Lt Gov intervenes as judge to keep the crooked AG from conviction, and you say it was the Speaker who failed. The crooked AG just admitted that 4 counts were correct, but you blame the Speaker.

You say I'm angry. Damned right I am. We have a dishonest AG and you abet him at every turn. I note that your talking points are identical to Paxton's. I assume he is the source.

Time and events have proven you wrong. You're more concerned with a political party than good governance. Good governance would keep your party in power; defending a crook will lead to your party's demise.
Remember Dan Morales

Texas man arrested after threatening House Speaker Dade Phelan
The Texas Department of Public Safety arrested an Orange County man for making a terroristic threat earlier this month about Texas House Speaker Dade Phelan in a Facebook post, KFDM/Fox 4 News reported.
Special agents with state law enforcement arrested Daniel Troy Leblanc, 45, on Jan. 17 after he wrote a Facebook post referencing the Beaumont Republican that read, "RIGHT NOW... ONE SHOT... ONE KILL...2500M AWAY...0230... IN YOUR RIGHT TEMPLE…" The Examiner, a newspaper based in nearby Beaumont, reported the details of Leblanc's post.
Leblanc's message was accompanied by a post taken from the campaign page of David Covey, a GOP activist from the area and Phelan's primary challenger. Covey's post criticized the speaker's record on gun control legislation, but Leblanc's message was a less coherent critique of Phelan.
"IN NO WAY WILL I ENDORSE dade phelan and his fake hidden evil agenda ways. Mr. Covey is a Godly Man who Chose Politics for GODLY REFORMS to be made," Leblanc's post read.
Covey did not immediately return a request for comment.
"Our family is grateful for the assistance of [DPS] and local law enforcement in addressing this threat immediately," Phelan wrote on social media. "Thank you to all LEO's throughout the state who protect and serve our communities."
Earlier this month, Leblanc was charged with terroristic threat, a third-degree felony given Phelan's status as a public servant. Leblanc could face up to 10 years in prison and a $10,000 fine if convicted. Leblanc's bond was set at $500,000.
Phelan has become a boogeyman of the far-right ahead of the March primary, cast as a "Republican in Name Only" or RINO that the most conservative flank of the party is hoping to oust from the Legislature.
His opponents have attacked Phelan over his refusal to ban Democratic committee chairs and blame him for the failure of GOP priorities, like school vouchers, to make it out of the House. One group sent out fake political mailers last December insinuating that Phelan wanted to wish his constituents a happy Ramadan instead of a Merry Christmas in an effort to cast the speaker as "pro-Muslim."
After the Phelan-led House, including most Republicans, impeached Attorney General Ken Paxton in May, the acquitted GOP leader has been one of Phelan's loudest critics. Both Paxton and Lt. Gov. Dan Patrickhave attempted to cast Phelan as a party traitor, amid a boiling GOP civil war that intensified after the impeachment.
Earlier this month Paxton went to southeast Texas to campaign against Phelan with Covey.
"We have to protect Texas, and it's guys like David Covey that are gonna go down there and undo what the speaker has done," Paxton said on Jan. 15, one day after Leblanc's post.
https://www.click2houston.com/news/texas/2024/01/30/texas-man-arrested-after-threatening-house-speaker-dade-phelan/

On Truth Social, Trump pressures Texas Supreme Court to end Paxton whistleblower case #txlege pic.twitter.com/UlijNi4Jkw

— Patrick Svitek (@PatrickSvitek) January 30, 2024

The Texas Supreme Court halted depositions that were scheduled to begin Thursday in the whistleblower case against Attorney General Ken Paxton. The decision was made public within hours of former President Donald Trump calling on the court to end the case.https://t.co/jY9m79X7JV

— Texas Tribune (@TexasTribune) January 30, 2024

Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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whiterock said:

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What a shame ol' Drunk Dade didn't wait a little longer for these trials to occur. Think of all the evidence he would have had!

Paxton has at least been effective on the job. Dade has shown incompetence all the way across the board.

Your angst is ironically misplaced......

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What a shame the judge lobbied the jurors for a not guilty verdict. When it looked like Senators were about to convict, the Lt Gov called them to lobby for NG verdicts.
Interesting that you cast aspersions on a Speaker and House (70%+) who impeached Crooked Ken.
Now that Crooked Ken admits guilt in 4 of the indictments, you continue to defend him.
Crooked Ken is splitting your party and you remain loyal to Paxton. Meanwhile, Cruz is in a dead heat for reelection.

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I'm not casting aspersions. I'm holding leadership accountable for failure. Phelan decided to impeach, KNOWING other legal action would generate evidence for him to use. Instead of waiting, which would have benefited his moral, legal, and political authority, he acted rashly. He compounded that misjudgment by setting in motion an opaque process that merely collected allegations, rather than taking sworn testimony with a cross-examination process to vet evidence. That required him to do exactly what you accuse Patrick of doing - whipping the vote (because he did NOT have the goods). It worked in the house, but collapsed in the Senate, who correctly deemed the process so flawed as to be unfair, and of course very politically costly.

I said at the beginning of this thread that Phelan should wait. Time and events have proven me correct on that. Had he waited until the next session, OTHERS (putting a political firewall between himself & caucus and the GOP base) might well have uncovered proverbial smoking guns which would have made both impeachment and conviction unanimous. By acting prematurely, Phelan himself got smoked - he failed. Worse, his failure divided the party. He made his entire caucus more vulnerable to lobbying from the Gov. on other issues of importance to Phelan. Rarely do we see such an amateur hour unfold by political leadership.

Your anger seems adolescent, blaming large groups of others for conspiratorial nonsense rather than blaming the one person who screwed the pooch - Dade Phelan. You should take out your pique on him rather than lionizing his incompetence.

Phelan is actually in a no-win position on the Paxton question. If Paxton is ultimately convicted in court, it only highlights the incompetence of Phelan's impeachment process. And, of course, an acquittal would only highlight the incompetence of Phelan's judgment to impeach at all.

I would advise you to put down the shovel and quit digging..... Your efforts would be better spent finding a competent speaker.

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The House impeached a crooked AG and you blame the House.
You say Phelan divides your party, and the crooked AG recruits candidates to run against honest incumbents.
The Lt Gov intervenes as judge to keep the crooked AG from conviction, and you say it was the Speaker who failed. The crooked AG just admitted that 4 counts were correct, but you blame the Speaker.

You say I'm angry. Damned right I am. We have a dishonest AG and you abet him at every turn. I note that your talking points are identical to Paxton's. I assume he is the source.

Time and events have proven you wrong. You're more concerned with a political party than good governance. Good governance would keep your party in power; defending a crook will lead to your party's demise.
Remember Dan Morales

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Blah blah blah conspiracy nonsense to fit your a priori pique.

If Paxton really was guilty, finding the evidence necessary to convict shoulda been easy. But ol' Dade didn't bother with that. He held committee hearings in secret, wrote up unsubstantiated allegations (several of the proven false at trial) as evidence, then whipped his caucus to impeach. Then, when the case was finally subjected to things like sworn testimony, cross-examination, etc...(all of which Dade denied the acccused....), it failed (because it was a pitifully weak case, a case a lot of Senators decided would be bad precedent for every one.) Process, you see, even for the guilty, is essential for the health of a free republic.

All you had to do was wait. Wait for the civil trial to conclude. Wait for the whistleblower case to conclude. SURELY they would have provided the smoking guns needed to get the Senate to convict.. But Dade didn't do that, did he?

Either Dade botched the impeachment of a crook, or he impeached an innocent man. You can pick your poison there, but it's one or the other. Stop blaming a laundry list of other stuff. You have heard of Occam's Razor, have you not? If you don't change your speaker, you'll never get your man. Dade is clearly not up to the task. Wile E. Coyote for sure.

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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What a shame ol' Drunk Dade didn't wait a little longer for these trials to occur. Think of all the evidence he would have had!

Paxton has at least been effective on the job. Dade has shown incompetence all the way across the board.

Your angst is ironically misplaced......

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What a shame the judge lobbied the jurors for a not guilty verdict. When it looked like Senators were about to convict, the Lt Gov called them to lobby for NG verdicts.
Interesting that you cast aspersions on a Speaker and House (70%+) who impeached Crooked Ken.
Now that Crooked Ken admits guilt in 4 of the indictments, you continue to defend him.
Crooked Ken is splitting your party and you remain loyal to Paxton. Meanwhile, Cruz is in a dead heat for reelection.

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I'm not casting aspersions. I'm holding leadership accountable for failure. Phelan decided to impeach, KNOWING other legal action would generate evidence for him to use. Instead of waiting, which would have benefited his moral, legal, and political authority, he acted rashly. He compounded that misjudgment by setting in motion an opaque process that merely collected allegations, rather than taking sworn testimony with a cross-examination process to vet evidence. That required him to do exactly what you accuse Patrick of doing - whipping the vote (because he did NOT have the goods). It worked in the house, but collapsed in the Senate, who correctly deemed the process so flawed as to be unfair, and of course very politically costly.

I said at the beginning of this thread that Phelan should wait. Time and events have proven me correct on that. Had he waited until the next session, OTHERS (putting a political firewall between himself & caucus and the GOP base) might well have uncovered proverbial smoking guns which would have made both impeachment and conviction unanimous. By acting prematurely, Phelan himself got smoked - he failed. Worse, his failure divided the party. He made his entire caucus more vulnerable to lobbying from the Gov. on other issues of importance to Phelan. Rarely do we see such an amateur hour unfold by political leadership.

Your anger seems adolescent, blaming large groups of others for conspiratorial nonsense rather than blaming the one person who screwed the pooch - Dade Phelan. You should take out your pique on him rather than lionizing his incompetence.

Phelan is actually in a no-win position on the Paxton question. If Paxton is ultimately convicted in court, it only highlights the incompetence of Phelan's impeachment process. And, of course, an acquittal would only highlight the incompetence of Phelan's judgment to impeach at all.

I would advise you to put down the shovel and quit digging..... Your efforts would be better spent finding a competent speaker.

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The House impeached a crooked AG and you blame the House.
You say Phelan divides your party, and the crooked AG recruits candidates to run against honest incumbents.
The Lt Gov intervenes as judge to keep the crooked AG from conviction, and you say it was the Speaker who failed. The crooked AG just admitted that 4 counts were correct, but you blame the Speaker.

You say I'm angry. Damned right I am. We have a dishonest AG and you abet him at every turn. I note that your talking points are identical to Paxton's. I assume he is the source.

Time and events have proven you wrong. You're more concerned with a political party than good governance. Good governance would keep your party in power; defending a crook will lead to your party's demise.
Remember Dan Morales

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Blah blah blah conspiracy nonsense to fit your a priori pique.

If Paxton really was guilty, finding the evidence necessary to convict shoulda been easy. But ol' Dade didn't bother with that. He held committee hearings in secret, wrote up unsubstantiated allegations (several of the proven false at trial) as evidence, then whipped his caucus to impeach. Then, when the case was finally subjected to things like sworn testimony, cross-examination, etc...(all of which Dade denied the acccused....), it failed (because it was a pitifully weak case, a case a lot of Senators decided would be bad precedent for every one.) Process, you see, even for the guilty, is essential for the health of a free republic.

All you had to do was wait. Wait for the civil trial to conclude. Wait for the whistleblower case to conclude. SURELY they would have provided the smoking guns needed to get the Senate to convict.. But Dade didn't do that, did he?

Either Dade botched the impeachment of a crook, or he impeached an innocent man. You can pick your poison there, but it's one or the other. Stop blaming a laundry list of other stuff. You have heard of Occam's Razor, have you not? If you don't change your speaker, you'll never get your man. Dade is clearly not up to the task. Wile E. Coyote for sure.

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Occam's Razor? Crooked Ken isn't contesting the charges. I believe him

the attorney general's office announced that it will no longer fight the whistleblowers' allegations, will accept any damages awarded by the judge and pay reasonable fees to the opposing side's lawyers.

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton could face a potentially expensive and uncomfortable jury trial to defend himself against former deputies after a Travis County judge declined Wednesday to end the case in the whistleblowers’ favor without a trial. https://t.co/8mEYpBNi1U

— Texas Tribune (@TexasTribune) January 31, 2024

January 30, 2024 2:14 PM

Trump endorses David Covey, one of the challengers to Speaker Phelan in his GOP primary
Citing the fact that Phelan said last week that he's a Trump voter, Mr. Trump said Phelan's "words do not mitigate the Absolute Embarrassment Speaker Phelan inflicted upon the State of Texas and our Great Republican Party!"

.@KenPaxtonTX sues five Texas cities where voters have decriminalized low-level marijuana possession in recent years: https://t.co/tF4YMRsMIr

— Patrick Svitek (@PatrickSvitek) January 31, 2024

VIDEO: Texas AG Ken Paxton owns at least a half dozen properties out of state worth $6M.

He has never disclosed them to the state.

Paxton didn’t answer our questions about them for months. That changed last week, when we caught him in person. https://t.co/tuMK4O4ga8 #txlege pic.twitter.com/5Lxcg2PKgP

— Lauren McGaughy 🗞️➡️📻 (@lmcgaughy) February 1, 2024

"The noose is getting tighter": Texas GOP lawmaker says Attorney General Ken Paxton is a flight risk https://t.co/OtDCeKeyuW

— WFAA (@wfaa) February 5, 2024

"If Paxton will break an oath to his wife and God, why would he tell Trump or you the truth" @DadePhelan https://t.co/Dghy8WapmE

— Jeremy Wallace (@JeremySWallace) February 6, 2024

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"If Paxton will break an oath to his wife and God, why would he tell Trump or you the truth" @DadePhelan https://t.co/Dghy8WapmE

— Jeremy Wallace (@JeremySWallace) February 6, 2024

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I'm no fan of Phelan. Ken is also a lying scumbag who will throw good people under the bus to save himself and advance his career. See, two things can be true at once.

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"If Paxton will break an oath to his wife and God, why would he tell Trump or you the truth" @DadePhelan https://t.co/Dghy8WapmE

— Jeremy Wallace (@JeremySWallace) February 6, 2024

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Rough ad, and true

Fair to say Michelle Slaughter has taken a bit of a different approach than other CCA judges targeted by Paxton pic.twitter.com/Bc3Bo9tqaS

— Patrick Svitek (@PatrickSvitek) February 5, 2024

#Breaking: We got invoices today that show a private law firm has charged the state $697K to fight Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton’s whistleblower case since 2020.

With additional costs added, the total bills now top $700K. https://t.co/8g9WDmBLmJ #txlege

— Lauren McGaughy 🗞️➡️📻 (@lmcgaughy) February 6, 2024

In @KenPaxtonTX's securities fraud case — currently set for trial on April 15 — his lawyers filed motions yesterday to dismiss the charges for violation of the right to a speedy trial.

Yesterday was the deadline for pretrial motions in the case, which has gone for over eight…

— Patrick Svitek (@PatrickSvitek) February 7, 2024