Great article by Andrew Sullivan examining the anti-gay bigotry of the radical trans movement.
https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/the-queers-versus-the-homosexuals-cfd?utm_source=pocket_reader

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These boycotts are bigotry pure and simple.

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And, your point is?

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Bigotry is a sin.

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So is butt ****ing.

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Nope, it is bigotry and homophobic to use that term and to call it a "sin." It is not.

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Whew, at least they aren't bigots!

Reduxx has obtained a police report showing that two female students were assaulted by a trans-identified male student in the girls' restroom at Edmond Memorial High School in Oklahoma.

Both of the girls sustained injuries to the eyes, face, and head.https://t.co/RG14nhfSTL

— REDUXX (@ReduxxMag) December 12, 2022

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These boycotts are bigotry pure and simple.

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And, your point is?

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Bigotry is a sin.

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So is butt ****ing.

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Nope, it is bigotry and homophobic to use that term and to call it a "sin." It is not.

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Aw the BIGOTRY!!!! How awful!

....on the basis of their sexual orientation. My Administration has launched a global campaign to decriminalize homosexuality and invite all nations to join us in this effort!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 31, 2019

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These boycotts are bigotry pure and simple.

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And, your point is?

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Bigotry is a sin.

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So is butt ****ing.

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Nope, it is bigotry and homophobic to use that term and to call it a "sin." It is not.

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And what you are engaging is heresy. Scripture clearly labels it as sin. Nowhere in the bible will you find scriptural support for homosexuality and transgenderism. Nowhere. In every instance, it is described as evil and sinful.

You continue to twist the word of God to suit your evil agenda, heretic.

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Scripture is not science or modern understandings of sexuality. Scripture is ignored with regard to slavery, eating pork, treatment of leprosy, sacrifices in the Temple, treatment and ordination of women, etc.

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These boycotts are bigotry pure and simple.

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And, your point is?

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Bigotry is a sin.

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So is butt ****ing.

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Nope, it is bigotry and homophobic to use that term and to call it a "sin." It is not.

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Aw the BIGOTRY!!!! How awful!

....on the basis of their sexual orientation. My Administration has launched a global campaign to decriminalize homosexuality and invite all nations to join us in this effort!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 31, 2019

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His bigotry towards the LGBTQ -- In 2019, the Trump Administration dramatically expanded upon the discriminatory policies implemented in 20171 and 20182 that are harming the health and well-being of LGBTQIA+ people in America and around the world. It rolled back sexual orientation and gender identity (SOGI) nondiscrimination provisions in health care, employment, and housing, and expanded discriminatory religious refusal policies. It appointed more anti-LGBT federal court judges and further attempted to roll back the collection of sexual orientation and gender identity data that is critical to understanding LGBT health disparities. It also enacted anti-immigration policies that advocates say directly contributed to the deaths of two transgender women seeking asylum3,4 and are also disproportionately affecting LGBT asylum seekers, generally.5 The Trump Administration did take some positive actions in its third year in office. It launched the Ending the HIV Epidemic Initiative, an ambitious campaign to end the domestic HIV epidemic. It also launched a global campaign, which President Trump spoke about before the United Nations in September,6 to advocate for the repeal of 70 laws in other countries that criminalize same-sex sexual behavior. However, ongoing anti-LGBT policies by the Trump Administration threaten to undermine progress made by the Ending the HIV Epidemic Initiative,7 and global LGBT advocates claim that there is no substance to the decriminalization effort.8 They also point to other anti-LGBT actions taken by the U.S. State Department and by the Trump Administration. Fenway Health Organization

Aw the bigotry indeed, what about your heart?

"Scripture isn't science! We can pretend it's whatever we want it to be!"

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Aw the bigotry indeed, what about your heart?

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Which **** list did you get that BS from - Buzzfeed or Vox??

I sited my source. What facts in it are wrong?

Here is a more credible observation by an actual "Fenway Health Organization":

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I sited my source. What facts in it are wrong?

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" It appointed more anti-LGBT federal court judges" - wow, concrete scientific evidence!!!!!

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I sited my source. What facts in it are wrong?

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The facts seemed kind of gay.

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Aw the bigotry indeed, what about your heart?

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Ironically you're the bigot claiming HIV is some kind of gay disease and deploying 80s tropes.

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Aw the bigotry indeed, what about your heart?

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Ironically you're the bigot claiming HIV is some kind of gay disease and deploying 80s tropes.

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He's not really wrong. Gays get all the STDs and spread them around way more than any other group.

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Aw the bigotry indeed, what about your heart?

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Ironically you're the bigot claiming HIV is some kind of gay disease and deploying 80s tropes.

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He's not really wrong. Gays get all the STDs and spread them around way more than any other group.

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Agreed. It's more the usualy projection and hypocrisy of the regressive world view - everything must be held in isolation but nothing fits together logically:
1. Saying HIV or STDs are gay diseases is HOMOPHOBIA - straight people get HIV and STD too and implying gays are more promiscious is ANTI-GAY HATE!
2. Not given special privileges and funding to HIV-related initiatives is ANTI-GAY HATE!

That's why tryign to have a rational, logical discussion with a regressive is impossible. They create reality in the moment real time grabbing whatever "facts" are convenient in the moment even if they contradicted those "facts" just before or will just after in the next position.

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These boycotts are bigotry pure and simple.

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And, your point is?

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Bigotry is a sin.

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So is butt ****ing.

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Nope, it is bigotry and homophobic to use that term and to call it a "sin." It is not.

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And what you are engaging is heresy. Scripture clearly labels it as sin. Nowhere in the bible will you find scriptural support for homosexuality and transgenderism. Nowhere. In every instance, it is described as evil and sinful.

You continue to twist the word of God to suit your evil agenda, heretic.

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Scripture is not science or modern understandings of sexuality. Scripture is ignored with regard to slavery, eating pork, treatment of leprosy, sacrifices in the Temple, treatment and ordination of women, etc.

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A man CANNOT be a woman and a woman CANNOT be a man. This is not a moral question. This is not a question of how you feel. You claim that it is bigotry to point out this fact. Heretic or not, that is idiocy on your part.

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Waco1947 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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These boycotts are bigotry pure and simple.

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And, your point is?

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Bigotry is a sin.

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So is butt ****ing.

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Nope, it is bigotry and homophobic to use that term and to call it a "sin." It is not.

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And what you are engaging is heresy. Scripture clearly labels it as sin. Nowhere in the bible will you find scriptural support for homosexuality and transgenderism. Nowhere. In every instance, it is described as evil and sinful.

You continue to twist the word of God to suit your evil agenda, heretic.

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Scripture is not science or modern understandings of sexuality. Scripture is ignored with regard to slavery, eating pork, treatment of leprosy, sacrifices in the Temple, treatment and ordination of women, etc.

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Can you post me the scientific study that says a biological man can become a biological woman and vice versa? How about the scientific study that proves transitioning children is a net positive? Or that cutting off healthy appendages has real benefit?

Thanks, I'll hang up and listen.

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Waco1947 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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These boycotts are bigotry pure and simple.

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And, your point is?

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Bigotry is a sin.

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So is butt ****ing.

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Nope, it is bigotry and homophobic to use that term and to call it a "sin." It is not.

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And what you are engaging is heresy. Scripture clearly labels it as sin. Nowhere in the bible will you find scriptural support for homosexuality and transgenderism. Nowhere. In every instance, it is described as evil and sinful.

You continue to twist the word of God to suit your evil agenda, heretic.

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Scripture is not science or modern understandings of sexuality. Scripture is ignored with regard to slavery, eating pork, treatment of leprosy, sacrifices in the Temple, treatment and ordination of women, etc.

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A man CANNOT be a woman and a woman CANNOT be a man. This is not a moral question. This is not a question of how you feel. You claim that it is bigotry to point out this fact. Heretic or not, that is idiocy on your part.

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It can't be said any plainer than that

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Waco1947 said:

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These boycotts are bigotry pure and simple.

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And, your point is?

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Bigotry is a sin.

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So is butt ****ing.

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Nope, it is bigotry and homophobic to use that term and to call it a "sin." It is not.

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And what you are engaging is heresy. Scripture clearly labels it as sin. Nowhere in the bible will you find scriptural support for homosexuality and transgenderism. Nowhere. In every instance, it is described as evil and sinful.

You continue to twist the word of God to suit your evil agenda, heretic.

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Scripture is not science or modern understandings of sexuality. Scripture is ignored with regard to slavery, eating pork, treatment of leprosy, sacrifices in the Temple, treatment and ordination of women, etc.

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Can you post me the scientific study that says a biological man can become a biological woman and vice versa? How about the scientific study that proves transitioning children is a net positive? Or that cutting off healthy appendages has real benefit?

Thanks, I'll hang up and listen.

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Good post. Good luck getting an answer

Correct. Anti-intellectualism and anti-scientific politics has taken over the debate.

A man is a homo sapien with an X and Y chromosome; a woman is a homo sapien with to X chromosomes. The fact this is an open question is terrifying. A mentally ill man or non-mentally ill man can put on a dress all day long but does not mean he can have a baby or is a woman no more than a white man can paint his face black and become African American.

What the extremists cannot glean is not many people have any problems with actual, legitimate transsexuals ... the line crossed is demanding we all pretend like men can menstruate and men should be able to shower with girls and compete in women's sports and than children need to be taught anti-science concepts like "sex is assigned."

What the extremists label "anti-trans" is not in fact anti-trans but anti-extremism and pro-science.

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These boycotts are bigotry pure and simple.

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Bigotry is a sin.

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How do you handle this intersectionality ??

It may be the first day of pride month, but there is NO PRIDE in the sexualization, indoctrination, and mutilation of children.

The rainbow has been hijacked by activists who are using it as a shield to push a dangerous agenda onto your kids.

This June, we have some issues we… pic.twitter.com/yUrNHnxzNf

— Gays Against Groomers (@againstgrmrs) June 1, 2023

It's about GD time. *This* is the answer. I don't think it will work but it's really nice to see that there is some sanity left.

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These boycotts are bigotry pure and simple.

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Bigotry is a sin.

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How do you handle this intersectionality ??

It may be the first day of pride month, but there is NO PRIDE in the sexualization, indoctrination, and mutilation of children.

The rainbow has been hijacked by activists who are using it as a shield to push a dangerous agenda onto your kids.

This June, we have some issues we… pic.twitter.com/yUrNHnxzNf

— Gays Against Groomers (@againstgrmrs) June 1, 2023

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WHITE SUPREMACY ! ! !

Pride comes before the fall https://t.co/ZwwluVT6cV pic.twitter.com/Cj2vr4Xduc

— Turning Point USA (@TPUSA) May 31, 2023

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There is certainly a lot of unwarranted outrage over ads like this. Personally it's a little disgusting, it bewilders me, and I will probably avoid Calvin Klein products from now on, but some of you take it far beyond that. I also think this woman mutilated her body, but I can't be certain that he/she/they isn't happy. This is adults exercising freedoms. Not an opportunity to trash people.

It is easy for disgust to turn into hate, and that leads to problems. It sort of justifies the trans lifestyle in these people's minds. In some weird way. I think it's good to talk of the harm mutilating one's body can bring, but we can do that while still respecting these human beings. Someone trying to change genders doesn't need hate, they need help.

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The standard for acceptable protest/boycott actions is up to and including what you would do but not beyond. Got it.

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I just hold the above opinion, that the extreme outrage and hate are unwarranted and bad. Is it ok for me to have this opinion, or maybe does my opinion hurt you in some way?

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Waco1947 said:

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These boycotts are bigotry pure and simple.

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And, your point is?

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Bigotry is a sin.

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So is butt ****ing.

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Nope, it is bigotry and homophobic to use that term and to call it a "sin." It is not.

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And what you are engaging is heresy. Scripture clearly labels it as sin. Nowhere in the bible will you find scriptural support for homosexuality and transgenderism. Nowhere. In every instance, it is described as evil and sinful.

You continue to twist the word of God to suit your evil agenda, heretic.

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Scripture is not science or modern understandings of sexuality. Scripture is ignored with regard to slavery, eating pork, treatment of leprosy, sacrifices in the Temple, treatment and ordination of women, etc.

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I'm not about to argue, but ill just tell you this is wrong. This is at best a surface understanding, though the truth on some of these issues is explicit.

You probably believe you are a progressive Christian, so let me enlighten you on the progressive take. These behaviors that were sinful at one point, a progressive would say, did have a purpose, but when you really understand the purpose of the law, that purpose is not so God can send people to hell, but to protect humanity. From this standpoint it is easy to see why ar one point spilling your seed on the ground was wrong. Israel would have been wiped out, and nearly was, many times. This I think is why homosexuality was wrong.

Or pork. It was unclean and unsafe. Even strict gender roles. Is it really that God wanted a woman who had something to say in church about the Bible, to be sinning? Or maybe did strict gender roles and hierarchy organize Israel in a way that allowed its culture and people to stay strong through millenia?

We can go down this road as far as you want to go, and by the way this is how you explain sin away whenever you want. It helps to have a more intellectual approach than "scripture is not science."

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There is certainly a lot of unwarranted outrage over ads like this. Personally it's a little disgusting, it bewilders me, and I will probably avoid Calvin Klein products from now on, but some of you take it far beyond that. I also think this woman mutilated her body, but I can't be certain that he/she/they isn't happy. This is adults exercising freedoms. Not an opportunity to trash people.

It is easy for disgust to turn into hate, and that leads to problems. It sort of justifies the trans lifestyle in these people's minds. In some weird way. I think it's good to talk of the harm mutilating one's body can bring, but we can do that while still respecting these human beings. Someone trying to change genders doesn't need hate, they need help.

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The standard for acceptable protest/boycott actions is up to and including what you would do but not beyond. Got it.

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I just hold the above opinion, that the extreme outrage and hate are unwarranted and bad. Is it ok for me to have this opinion, or maybe does my opinion hurt you in some way?

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I do not always agree with you, but I respect your opions and points as almost always well thought out. Genuinely curious:
1. What is the defintion of "extreme outrage?" For example, I would easily define "extreme outrage" as the burning, looting, and murdering of 2020 - $4B and at least 14 murders in response to disinformation felt "extreme." Are all boycotts "extreme?" What makes a boycott "extreme?" I feel like wanting to groom and sexualize children is "extreme" and opposing it is a logical and moral response to protest conversastion therapy and pedophilia.

2. What is the defintion of "hate?" Do you have an example of hate directed at a trans person / community related to politics? For example, I would define the trans group that mocks Chritianity, Jesus, and Catholicism as an anti-Christian hate group (the group that was invited to the Dodgers gay celebration). Do you have similar examples of mainstream organizations celebrating groups that similar mock gays?

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Waco1947 said:

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These boycotts are bigotry pure and simple.

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And, your point is?

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Bigotry is a sin.

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So is butt ****ing.

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Nope, it is bigotry and homophobic to use that term and to call it a "sin." It is not.

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And what you are engaging is heresy. Scripture clearly labels it as sin. Nowhere in the bible will you find scriptural support for homosexuality and transgenderism. Nowhere. In every instance, it is described as evil and sinful.

You continue to twist the word of God to suit your evil agenda, heretic.

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Scripture is not science or modern understandings of sexuality. Scripture is ignored with regard to slavery, eating pork, treatment of leprosy, sacrifices in the Temple, treatment and ordination of women, etc.

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I'm not about to argue, but ill just tell you this is wrong. This is at best a surface understanding, though the truth on some of these issues is explicit.

You probably believe you are a progressive Christian, so let me enlighten you on the progressive take. These behaviors that were sinful at one point, a progressive would say, did have a purpose, but when you really understand the purpose of the law, that purpose is not so God can send people to hell, but to protect humanity. From this standpoint it is easy to see why ar one point spilling your seed on the ground was wrong. Israel would have been wiped out, and nearly was, many times. This I think is why homosexuality was wrong.

Or pork. It was unclean and unsafe. Even strict gender roles. Is it really that God wanted a woman who had something to say in church about the Bible, to be sinning? Or maybe did strict gender roles and hierarchy organize Israel in a way that allowed its culture and people to stay strong through millenia?

We can go down this road as far as you want to go, and by the way this is how you explain sin away whenever you want. It helps to have a more intellectual approach than "scripture is not science."

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This is a very thoughtful response. I think the Scripture argument is much easier ... maybe 20 years ago or so the trend was "Red Letter Christians" among regressive Christians. They generally focused exclusively on Jesus' teachings and the Sermon on the Mount always with a contemporary "social justice" spin.

I would always ask what about the Red Letters of Matthew 19:5. Never could get a response. The so-called "Red Letter Christians" seem to now selectively ignore the words of Jesus while trying to distract with OT purity laws.

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There is certainly a lot of unwarranted outrage over ads like this. Personally it's a little disgusting, it bewilders me, and I will probably avoid Calvin Klein products from now on, but some of you take it far beyond that. I also think this woman mutilated her body, but I can't be certain that he/she/they isn't happy. This is adults exercising freedoms. Not an opportunity to trash people.

It is easy for disgust to turn into hate, and that leads to problems. It sort of justifies the trans lifestyle in these people's minds. In some weird way. I think it's good to talk of the harm mutilating one's body can bring, but we can do that while still respecting these human beings. Someone trying to change genders doesn't need hate, they need help.

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The standard for acceptable protest/boycott actions is up to and including what you would do but not beyond. Got it.

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I just hold the above opinion, that the extreme outrage and hate are unwarranted and bad. Is it ok for me to have this opinion, or maybe does my opinion hurt you in some way?

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You gave us the standard for "unwarranted outrage." It is anything above and beyond what you deem appropriate. We should be thanking you.

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Aw the bigotry indeed, what about your heart?

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Which **** list did you get that BS from - Buzzfeed or Vox??

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It is a simple fact. Your bigotry about the LGBTQ belongs on the scrape heap of racist, anti-semitic, homophobic, anti Asian, anti hispanic, etc of history.

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Aw the bigotry indeed, what about your heart?

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Which **** list did you get that BS from - Buzzfeed or Vox??

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It is a simple fact. Your bigotry about the LGBTQ belongs on the scrape heap of racist, anti-semitic, homophobic, anti Asian, anti hispanic, etc of history.

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How am I bigoted?

I've worked and lived around gay people and never had any issues because I dont care.

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Aw the bigotry indeed, what about your heart?

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Which **** list did you get that BS from - Buzzfeed or Vox??

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It is a simple fact. Your bigotry about the LGBTQ belongs on the scrape heap of racist, anti-semitic, homophobic, anti Asian, anti hispanic, etc of history.

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How am I bigoted?

I've worked and lived around gay people and never had any issues because I dont care.

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If you don't celebrate and actively promote the LBGTQ*/- agenda you are a bigot who should be excluded from society. It is not enough to say people have a legal right to make moral choices with which you do not agree.

Furthermore, if you don't think that biological men should be allowed to compete against women in sporting events, you are similarly bigoted.

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Aw the bigotry indeed, what about your heart?

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Which **** list did you get that BS from - Buzzfeed or Vox??

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It is a simple fact. Your bigotry about the LGBTQ belongs on the scrape heap of racist, anti-semitic, homophobic, anti Asian, anti hispanic, etc of history.

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STFU pedophile. You're a child abusing Klanocrat.

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Aw the bigotry indeed, what about your heart?

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Which **** list did you get that BS from - Buzzfeed or Vox??

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It is a simple fact. Your bigotry about the LGBTQ belongs on the scrape heap of racist, anti-semitic, homophobic, anti Asian, anti hispanic, etc of history.

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47 I truly hope you find Jesus. On your current trajectory, you're going to be in for quite a surprise when you die.

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There is certainly a lot of unwarranted outrage over ads like this. Personally it's a little disgusting, it bewilders me, and I will probably avoid Calvin Klein products from now on, but some of you take it far beyond that. I also think this woman mutilated her body, but I can't be certain that he/she/they isn't happy. This is adults exercising freedoms. Not an opportunity to trash people.

It is easy for disgust to turn into hate, and that leads to problems. It sort of justifies the trans lifestyle in these people's minds. In some weird way. I think it's good to talk of the harm mutilating one's body can bring, but we can do that while still respecting these human beings. Someone trying to change genders doesn't need hate, they need help.

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The standard for acceptable protest/boycott actions is up to and including what you would do but not beyond. Got it.

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I just hold the above opinion, that the extreme outrage and hate are unwarranted and bad. Is it ok for me to have this opinion, or maybe does my opinion hurt you in some way?

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I do not always agree with you, but I respect your opions and points as almost always well thought out. Genuinely curious:
1. What is the defintion of "extreme outrage?" For example, I would easily define "extreme outrage" as the burning, looting, and murdering of 2020 - $4B and at least 14 murders in response to disinformation felt "extreme." Are all boycotts "extreme?" What makes a boycott "extreme?" I feel like wanting to groom and sexualize children is "extreme" and opposing it is a logical and moral response to protest conversastion therapy and pedophilia.

2. What is the defintion of "hate?" Do you have an example of hate directed at a trans person / community related to politics? For example, I would define the trans group that mocks Chritianity, Jesus, and Catholicism as an anti-Christian hate group (the group that was invited to the Dodgers gay celebration). Do you have similar examples of mainstream organizations celebrating groups that similar mock gays?

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There is extreme outrage over these sorts of societal issues from both sides. People tweet and twit about them like it is the end of America. I know it is just an act from many of them, but it is often an extreme response in my opinion.

To 2, I do not know of political hate towards too many groups at all, from either political party. I don't think I mentioned politics, I'm talking about this as a societal issue.