"A Dutch city councilor stated that Israeli hooligans among the Maccabi Tel Aviv supporters instigated the violence in Amsterdam before, during and after the football match against Amsterdam's Ajax. Jazie Veldhuyzen, a senior city councilor, said the Dutch government and the Amsterdam municipality initially described the incident as 'antisemitic.' Veldhuyzen stressed the need for a thorough and objective examination of the facts."
I mean, absolutely effin' gaslighting. The attacks started as the fans were departing the stadium. They were coordinated. It all resulted in a 3 day emergency declaration. And visiting Jewish soccer fans were responsible for it all?
It's one thing when the ignorant get sucked down the antisemitic rathole. But it's a dark day when the intelligent and well-educated willingly follow them into it.
The Palestinians already have Gaza. So they foolishly voted a criminal organization, Hamas, to lead them and the barbarians then started a devastating war that they will lose at great cost. National suicide by a people determined to prove themselves incapable of behaving in a civilized manner.
LOL so your response to having your gaslighting exposed is to put up a video of a Palestinian journalist trying to blame rowdy Jewish soccer fans for sparking days of mobs stalking Jews thru the capital of Amsterdam which required a state of emergency and public apologies to the state of Israel from the mayor of Amsterdam, the Dutch PM, and the Dutch King, and the arrest of over a hundred "non-Jews."
I must commend your fearlessness in tossing out objectionable propaganda of pariah states/groups. Few are cut out for that. Whatever you lack in skill is more than offset by enthusiasm.
LOL so your response to having your gaslighting exposed is to put up a video of a Palestinian journalist trying to blame rowdy Jewish soccer fans for sparking days of mobs stalking Jews thru the capital of Amsterdam which required a state of emergency and public apologies to the state of Israel from the mayor of Amsterdam, the Dutch PM, and the Dutch King, and the arrest of over a hundred "non-Jews."
I must commend your fearlessness in tossing out objectionable propaganda of pariah states/groups. Few are cut out for that. Whatever you lack in skill is more than offset by enthusiasm.
I didn't realize you thought you'd "exposed" anything with that rant. Was there something in the Times video that was wrong? If so, what?
And LOL at "rowdy" fans...very J6 of you. They were attacking police, taxis, and Palestinian homes with metal pipes and rocks.
BREAKING: Pro-Hamas students and faculty at the University of Washington have posted photos of what they did to the president of the university's home.
That UW president gave in to every demand of the encampment last semester. Appeasement never works. pic.twitter.com/wc9Aozb6KF
LOL so your response to having your gaslighting exposed is to put up a video of a Palestinian journalist trying to blame rowdy Jewish soccer fans for sparking days of mobs stalking Jews thru the capital of Amsterdam which required a state of emergency and public apologies to the state of Israel from the mayor of Amsterdam, the Dutch PM, and the Dutch King, and the arrest of over a hundred "non-Jews."
I must commend your fearlessness in tossing out objectionable propaganda of pariah states/groups. Few are cut out for that. Whatever you lack in skill is more than offset by enthusiasm.
I didn't realize you thought you'd "exposed" anything with that rant. Was there something in the Times video that was wrong? If so, what?
And LOL at "rowdy" fans...very J6 of you. They were attacking police, taxis, and Palestinian homes with metal pipes and rocks.
You have a profound reading comprehension error. The Amsterdam Mayor, and the Dutch PM, and the Dutch King did not call Netanyahu to demand an apology for widespread rioting by Jews which targeted Dutch muslims. They called Netanyahu to apologize for widespread rioting by Dutch muslims which targeted Jews.
You even missed the context. The conflict was not at all soccer hooliganism. Maccabi did not play a soccer team from a Muslim country, or even a pro-muslim team. They played Ajax, a team with "Jewish associations," whose fans often wave Israeli flags at games. The conflict was organized by Palestinian demonstrators who scuffled with Maccabi fans leaving the stadium then used social media to coordinate organized counter-attacks against Maccabi fans ALL NIGHT LONG. That's why the Dutch are apologizing to Israel.
You're trying to make the case that because a handful of Maccabi fans had the temerity to scuffle with the poor Palestinian demonstrators outside the stadium, the Jews deserved a night of being chased thru the streets of Amsterdam on a scale that resulted in hundreds of arrests and apologies being issued to Israel by highest levels of Dutch political leadership. It's comically weak conspiratorial nonsense, but then the moths are often unable to resist the allure of the flame.
It's fascinating the lengths the antisemites will go to display their bigotry & backhanded support for barbaric terrorists. Do they really want to act like neo-Nazi propagandists?
LOL so your response to having your gaslighting exposed is to put up a video of a Palestinian journalist trying to blame rowdy Jewish soccer fans for sparking days of mobs stalking Jews thru the capital of Amsterdam which required a state of emergency and public apologies to the state of Israel from the mayor of Amsterdam, the Dutch PM, and the Dutch King, and the arrest of over a hundred "non-Jews."
I must commend your fearlessness in tossing out objectionable propaganda of pariah states/groups. Few are cut out for that. Whatever you lack in skill is more than offset by enthusiasm.
I didn't realize you thought you'd "exposed" anything with that rant. Was there something in the Times video that was wrong? If so, what?
And LOL at "rowdy" fans...very J6 of you. They were attacking police, taxis, and Palestinian homes with metal pipes and rocks.
You have a profound reading comprehension error. The Amsterdam Mayor, and the Dutch PM, and the Dutch King did not call Netanyahu to demand an apology for widespread rioting by Jews which targeted Dutch muslims. They called Netanyahu to apologize for widespread rioting by Dutch muslims which targeted Jews.
You even missed the context. The conflict was not at all soccer hooliganism. Maccabi did not play a soccer team from a Muslim country, or even a pro-muslim team. They played Ajax, a team with "Jewish associations," whose fans often wave Israeli flags at games. The conflict was organized by Palestinian demonstrators who scuffled with Maccabi fans leaving the stadium then used social media to coordinate organized counter-attacks against Maccabi fans ALL NIGHT LONG. That's why the Dutch are apologizing to Israel.
You're trying to make the case that because a handful of Maccabi fans had the temerity to scuffle with the poor Palestinian demonstrators outside the stadium, the Jews deserved a night of being chased thru the streets of Amsterdam on a scale that resulted in hundreds of arrests and apologies being issued to Israel by highest levels of Dutch political leadership. It's comically weak conspiratorial nonsense, but then the moths are often unable to resist the allure of the flame.
I read through that stack of sources you posted earlier. If you'd done the same, you would know that the trouble didn't start with Palestinians attacking Maccabi fans after the match. In fact local authorities said the atmosphere outside the stadium was relatively calm. The first violence occurred the night before, when Israelis attacked a taxi driver and vandalized Palestinian homes.
How you get from that to "Jews deserved to be chased through the streets" is a mystery. More of your twisted logic of retribution, I guess. Reasonable people can see that there was fault on both sides.
UK has been a free speech hell hole for a long time.
Liberalism in the West is often as tyrannical and totalitarian when it comes to free speech as what you see in Russia or China
What law was broken here? Anyone know?
Most of these infringements of free speech fall under the odious "hate crimes" laws
[The Aggravated Offences (sections 28 to 32 Crime and Disorder Act 1998) cover race and religion and mirror certain non-hate crime equivalent offences (that is: assault, criminal damage, public order offences or harassment) but with higher maximum sentences.
Any communication which is threatening or abusive, and is intended to harass, alarm, or distress someone is forbidden...]
So if you say something bad about Muslims online the UK police will come get you.
UK has been a free speech hell hole for a long time.
Liberalism in the West is often as tyrannical and totalitarian when it comes to free speech as what you see in Russia or China
Unfortunately, that's true except, by definition, they is not liberalism. It's somewhat like calling China a "capitalist economy" because they allow private property so long as you fall in line to all government dictates.
True liberalism is the opposite of totalitarianism.
UK has been a free speech hell hole for a long time.
Liberalism in the West is often as tyrannical and totalitarian when it comes to free speech as what you see in Russia or China
Unfortunately, that's true except, by definition, they is not liberalism. It's somewhat like calling China a "capitalist economy" because they allow private property so long as you fall in line to all government dictates.
True liberalism is the opposite of totalitarianism.
"Socialism with Chinese Characteristics" is what they call it
I guess our modern system in the West should be called "liberalism with tyrannical characteristics"
It's fascinating the lengths the antisemites will go to display their bigotry & backhanded support for barbaric terrorists. Do they really want to act like neo-Nazi propagandists?
UK has been a free speech hell hole for a long time.
Liberalism in the West is often as tyrannical and totalitarian when it comes to free speech as what you see in Russia or China
What law was broken here? Anyone know?
Most of these infringements of free speech fall under the odious "hate crimes" laws
[The Aggravated Offences (sections 28 to 32 Crime and Disorder Act 1998) cover race and religion and mirror certain non-hate crime equivalent offences (that is: assault, criminal damage, public order offences or harassment) but with higher maximum sentences.
Any communication which is threatening or abusive, and is intended to harass, alarm, or distress someone is forbidden...]
So if you say something bad about Muslims online the UK police will come get you.
It's fascinating the lengths the antisemites will go to display their bigotry & backhanded support for barbaric terrorists. Do they really want to act like neo-Nazi propagandists?
I don't think they're acting
Quite possibly. I prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt but the rhetoric has been pretty extreme. I've also entertained the possibility that they are simply trolls who get some sick pleasure out of portraying themselves in such an evil light.
It's fascinating the lengths the antisemites will go to display their bigotry & backhanded support for barbaric terrorists. Do they really want to act like neo-Nazi propagandists?
I don't think they're acting
Quite possibly. I prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt but the rhetoric has been pretty extreme. I've also entertained the possibility that they are simply trolls who get some sick pleasure out of portraying themselves in such an evil light.
I knew posting facts was unpopular, but I didn't know it was evil. Will have to do some soul-searching now for sure.
LOL so your response to having your gaslighting exposed is to put up a video of a Palestinian journalist trying to blame rowdy Jewish soccer fans for sparking days of mobs stalking Jews thru the capital of Amsterdam which required a state of emergency and public apologies to the state of Israel from the mayor of Amsterdam, the Dutch PM, and the Dutch King, and the arrest of over a hundred "non-Jews."
I must commend your fearlessness in tossing out objectionable propaganda of pariah states/groups. Few are cut out for that. Whatever you lack in skill is more than offset by enthusiasm.
I didn't realize you thought you'd "exposed" anything with that rant. Was there something in the Times video that was wrong? If so, what?
And LOL at "rowdy" fans...very J6 of you. They were attacking police, taxis, and Palestinian homes with metal pipes and rocks.
You have a profound reading comprehension error. The Amsterdam Mayor, and the Dutch PM, and the Dutch King did not call Netanyahu to demand an apology for widespread rioting by Jews which targeted Dutch muslims. They called Netanyahu to apologize for widespread rioting by Dutch muslims which targeted Jews.
You even missed the context. The conflict was not at all soccer hooliganism. Maccabi did not play a soccer team from a Muslim country, or even a pro-muslim team. They played Ajax, a team with "Jewish associations," whose fans often wave Israeli flags at games. The conflict was organized by Palestinian demonstrators who scuffled with Maccabi fans leaving the stadium then used social media to coordinate organized counter-attacks against Maccabi fans ALL NIGHT LONG. That's why the Dutch are apologizing to Israel.
You're trying to make the case that because a handful of Maccabi fans had the temerity to scuffle with the poor Palestinian demonstrators outside the stadium, the Jews deserved a night of being chased thru the streets of Amsterdam on a scale that resulted in hundreds of arrests and apologies being issued to Israel by highest levels of Dutch political leadership. It's comically weak conspiratorial nonsense, but then the moths are often unable to resist the allure of the flame.
I read through that stack of sources you posted earlier. If you'd done the same, you would know that the trouble didn't start with Palestinians attacking Maccabi fans after the match. I didn't say it did. I said it didn't matter how the trouble started. What mattered was the muslim response to it....all night long...targeting Jews throughout the city.....all night long. In fact local authorities said the atmosphere outside the stadium was relatively calm. The first violence occurred the night before, when Israelis attacked a taxi driver and vandalized Palestinian homes. Sorry, buddy. There is no evidence Jews organized to course through the streets all night long looking for Jews to beat, no matter how hard you try to stretch....
How you get from that to "Jews deserved to be chased through the streets" is a mystery. More of your twisted logic of retribution, I guess. Reasonable people can see that there was fault on both sides.
the twisted logic is trying to equate rowdy Jewish fans who tussled momentarily with Palestinian protestors with hours of violence organized by muslims to target Jews throughout the city.
It's fascinating the lengths the antisemites will go to display their bigotry & backhanded support for barbaric terrorists. Do they really want to act like neo-Nazi propagandists?
I don't think they're acting
Quite possibly. I prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt but the rhetoric has been pretty extreme. I've also entertained the possibility that they are simply trolls who get some sick pleasure out of portraying themselves in such an evil light.
I knew posting misleading facts was unpopular, but I didn't know it was evil. Will have to do some soul-searching now for sure.
True. But oftentimes Leftists misconstrue the data or twist it into pretzels. It's another fascist propaganda tactic that is totally dishonest. I'm not exaggerating when I describe Leftist "journalists" as Goebbelsian.
True. But oftentimes Leftists misconstrue the data or twist it into pretzels. It's another fascist propaganda tactic that is totally dishonest. I'm not exaggerating when I describe Leftist "journalists" as Goebbelsian.
Agree, would add it is both sides. Very few common metrics to discuss. Crash rates, you would think very straight forward. Twisted depending on what you want to show. Want to show a pedestrian crash problem, keep expanding study area you will get there. Want to show less, create a critical crash rate. I know you have examples. It is not limited to one side, all politicians are opportunist and need to be kept honest. Which is why I cringe when process gets avoided, process is our friend. It is how we get transparency and common metrics. Just my view. All people suck. : )
LOL so your response to having your gaslighting exposed is to put up a video of a Palestinian journalist trying to blame rowdy Jewish soccer fans for sparking days of mobs stalking Jews thru the capital of Amsterdam which required a state of emergency and public apologies to the state of Israel from the mayor of Amsterdam, the Dutch PM, and the Dutch King, and the arrest of over a hundred "non-Jews."
I must commend your fearlessness in tossing out objectionable propaganda of pariah states/groups. Few are cut out for that. Whatever you lack in skill is more than offset by enthusiasm.
I didn't realize you thought you'd "exposed" anything with that rant. Was there something in the Times video that was wrong? If so, what?
And LOL at "rowdy" fans...very J6 of you. They were attacking police, taxis, and Palestinian homes with metal pipes and rocks.
You have a profound reading comprehension error. The Amsterdam Mayor, and the Dutch PM, and the Dutch King did not call Netanyahu to demand an apology for widespread rioting by Jews which targeted Dutch muslims. They called Netanyahu to apologize for widespread rioting by Dutch muslims which targeted Jews.
You even missed the context. The conflict was not at all soccer hooliganism. Maccabi did not play a soccer team from a Muslim country, or even a pro-muslim team. They played Ajax, a team with "Jewish associations," whose fans often wave Israeli flags at games. The conflict was organized by Palestinian demonstrators who scuffled with Maccabi fans leaving the stadium then used social media to coordinate organized counter-attacks against Maccabi fans ALL NIGHT LONG. That's why the Dutch are apologizing to Israel.
You're trying to make the case that because a handful of Maccabi fans had the temerity to scuffle with the poor Palestinian demonstrators outside the stadium, the Jews deserved a night of being chased thru the streets of Amsterdam on a scale that resulted in hundreds of arrests and apologies being issued to Israel by highest levels of Dutch political leadership. It's comically weak conspiratorial nonsense, but then the moths are often unable to resist the allure of the flame.
I read through that stack of sources you posted earlier. If you'd done the same, you would know that the trouble didn't start with Palestinians attacking Maccabi fans after the match. I didn't say it did. I said it didn't matter how the trouble started. What mattered was the muslim response to it....all night long...targeting Jews throughout the city.....all night long. In fact local authorities said the atmosphere outside the stadium was relatively calm. The first violence occurred the night before, when Israelis attacked a taxi driver and vandalized Palestinian homes. Sorry, buddy. There is no evidence Jews organized to course through the streets all night long looking for Jews to beat, no matter how hard you try to stretch....
How you get from that to "Jews deserved to be chased through the streets" is a mystery. More of your twisted logic of retribution, I guess. Reasonable people can see that there was fault on both sides.
the twisted logic is trying to equate rowdy Jewish fans who tussled momentarily with Palestinian protestors with hours of violence organized by muslims to target Jews throughout the city.
But that isn't what happened. There is evidence of organized and ongoing violence by the Israelis.
Saudi Arabia now calls Iran a "sisterly Islamic republic" and says that SA's "principled approach" to the Middle East is essentially the same as Russia's.
Who would have thought our vital strategic alliance with Israel would pay such incredible dividends?
Saudi Arabia now calls Iran a "sisterly Islamic republic" and says that SA's "principled approach" to the Middle East is essentially the same as Russia's.
Who would have thought our vital strategic alliance with Israel would pay such incredible dividends?
LOL so your response to having your gaslighting exposed is to put up a video of a Palestinian journalist trying to blame rowdy Jewish soccer fans for sparking days of mobs stalking Jews thru the capital of Amsterdam which required a state of emergency and public apologies to the state of Israel from the mayor of Amsterdam, the Dutch PM, and the Dutch King, and the arrest of over a hundred "non-Jews."
I must commend your fearlessness in tossing out objectionable propaganda of pariah states/groups. Few are cut out for that. Whatever you lack in skill is more than offset by enthusiasm.
I didn't realize you thought you'd "exposed" anything with that rant. Was there something in the Times video that was wrong? If so, what?
And LOL at "rowdy" fans...very J6 of you. They were attacking police, taxis, and Palestinian homes with metal pipes and rocks.
You have a profound reading comprehension error. The Amsterdam Mayor, and the Dutch PM, and the Dutch King did not call Netanyahu to demand an apology for widespread rioting by Jews which targeted Dutch muslims. They called Netanyahu to apologize for widespread rioting by Dutch muslims which targeted Jews.
You even missed the context. The conflict was not at all soccer hooliganism. Maccabi did not play a soccer team from a Muslim country, or even a pro-muslim team. They played Ajax, a team with "Jewish associations," whose fans often wave Israeli flags at games. The conflict was organized by Palestinian demonstrators who scuffled with Maccabi fans leaving the stadium then used social media to coordinate organized counter-attacks against Maccabi fans ALL NIGHT LONG. That's why the Dutch are apologizing to Israel.
You're trying to make the case that because a handful of Maccabi fans had the temerity to scuffle with the poor Palestinian demonstrators outside the stadium, the Jews deserved a night of being chased thru the streets of Amsterdam on a scale that resulted in hundreds of arrests and apologies being issued to Israel by highest levels of Dutch political leadership. It's comically weak conspiratorial nonsense, but then the moths are often unable to resist the allure of the flame.
I read through that stack of sources you posted earlier. If you'd done the same, you would know that the trouble didn't start with Palestinians attacking Maccabi fans after the match. I didn't say it did. I said it didn't matter how the trouble started. What mattered was the muslim response to it....all night long...targeting Jews throughout the city.....all night long. In fact local authorities said the atmosphere outside the stadium was relatively calm. The first violence occurred the night before, when Israelis attacked a taxi driver and vandalized Palestinian homes. Sorry, buddy. There is no evidence Jews organized to course through the streets all night long looking for Jews to beat, no matter how hard you try to stretch....
How you get from that to "Jews deserved to be chased through the streets" is a mystery. More of your twisted logic of retribution, I guess. Reasonable people can see that there was fault on both sides.
the twisted logic is trying to equate rowdy Jewish fans who tussled momentarily with Palestinian protestors with hours of violence organized by muslims to target Jews throughout the city.
But that isn't what happened. There is evidence of organized and ongoing violence by the Israelis.
LOL so your response to having your gaslighting exposed is to put up a video of a Palestinian journalist trying to blame rowdy Jewish soccer fans for sparking days of mobs stalking Jews thru the capital of Amsterdam which required a state of emergency and public apologies to the state of Israel from the mayor of Amsterdam, the Dutch PM, and the Dutch King, and the arrest of over a hundred "non-Jews."
I must commend your fearlessness in tossing out objectionable propaganda of pariah states/groups. Few are cut out for that. Whatever you lack in skill is more than offset by enthusiasm.
I didn't realize you thought you'd "exposed" anything with that rant. Was there something in the Times video that was wrong? If so, what?
And LOL at "rowdy" fans...very J6 of you. They were attacking police, taxis, and Palestinian homes with metal pipes and rocks.
You have a profound reading comprehension error. The Amsterdam Mayor, and the Dutch PM, and the Dutch King did not call Netanyahu to demand an apology for widespread rioting by Jews which targeted Dutch muslims. They called Netanyahu to apologize for widespread rioting by Dutch muslims which targeted Jews.
You even missed the context. The conflict was not at all soccer hooliganism. Maccabi did not play a soccer team from a Muslim country, or even a pro-muslim team. They played Ajax, a team with "Jewish associations," whose fans often wave Israeli flags at games. The conflict was organized by Palestinian demonstrators who scuffled with Maccabi fans leaving the stadium then used social media to coordinate organized counter-attacks against Maccabi fans ALL NIGHT LONG. That's why the Dutch are apologizing to Israel.
You're trying to make the case that because a handful of Maccabi fans had the temerity to scuffle with the poor Palestinian demonstrators outside the stadium, the Jews deserved a night of being chased thru the streets of Amsterdam on a scale that resulted in hundreds of arrests and apologies being issued to Israel by highest levels of Dutch political leadership. It's comically weak conspiratorial nonsense, but then the moths are often unable to resist the allure of the flame.
I read through that stack of sources you posted earlier. If you'd done the same, you would know that the trouble didn't start with Palestinians attacking Maccabi fans after the match. I didn't say it did. I said it didn't matter how the trouble started. What mattered was the muslim response to it....all night long...targeting Jews throughout the city.....all night long. In fact local authorities said the atmosphere outside the stadium was relatively calm. The first violence occurred the night before, when Israelis attacked a taxi driver and vandalized Palestinian homes. Sorry, buddy. There is no evidence Jews organized to course through the streets all night long looking for Jews to beat, no matter how hard you try to stretch....
How you get from that to "Jews deserved to be chased through the streets" is a mystery. More of your twisted logic of retribution, I guess. Reasonable people can see that there was fault on both sides.
the twisted logic is trying to equate rowdy Jewish fans who tussled momentarily with Palestinian protestors with hours of violence organized by muslims to target Jews throughout the city.
But that isn't what happened. There is evidence of organized and ongoing violence by the Israelis.
only in your mind
No one on this board was physically there and knows for a certainty what happened.
The question becomes do you trust the Netanyahu's Israeli government and corporate news media?
LOL so your response to having your gaslighting exposed is to put up a video of a Palestinian journalist trying to blame rowdy Jewish soccer fans for sparking days of mobs stalking Jews thru the capital of Amsterdam which required a state of emergency and public apologies to the state of Israel from the mayor of Amsterdam, the Dutch PM, and the Dutch King, and the arrest of over a hundred "non-Jews."
I must commend your fearlessness in tossing out objectionable propaganda of pariah states/groups. Few are cut out for that. Whatever you lack in skill is more than offset by enthusiasm.
I didn't realize you thought you'd "exposed" anything with that rant. Was there something in the Times video that was wrong? If so, what?
And LOL at "rowdy" fans...very J6 of you. They were attacking police, taxis, and Palestinian homes with metal pipes and rocks.
You have a profound reading comprehension error. The Amsterdam Mayor, and the Dutch PM, and the Dutch King did not call Netanyahu to demand an apology for widespread rioting by Jews which targeted Dutch muslims. They called Netanyahu to apologize for widespread rioting by Dutch muslims which targeted Jews.
You even missed the context. The conflict was not at all soccer hooliganism. Maccabi did not play a soccer team from a Muslim country, or even a pro-muslim team. They played Ajax, a team with "Jewish associations," whose fans often wave Israeli flags at games. The conflict was organized by Palestinian demonstrators who scuffled with Maccabi fans leaving the stadium then used social media to coordinate organized counter-attacks against Maccabi fans ALL NIGHT LONG. That's why the Dutch are apologizing to Israel.
You're trying to make the case that because a handful of Maccabi fans had the temerity to scuffle with the poor Palestinian demonstrators outside the stadium, the Jews deserved a night of being chased thru the streets of Amsterdam on a scale that resulted in hundreds of arrests and apologies being issued to Israel by highest levels of Dutch political leadership. It's comically weak conspiratorial nonsense, but then the moths are often unable to resist the allure of the flame.
I read through that stack of sources you posted earlier. If you'd done the same, you would know that the trouble didn't start with Palestinians attacking Maccabi fans after the match. I didn't say it did. I said it didn't matter how the trouble started. What mattered was the muslim response to it....all night long...targeting Jews throughout the city.....all night long. In fact local authorities said the atmosphere outside the stadium was relatively calm. The first violence occurred the night before, when Israelis attacked a taxi driver and vandalized Palestinian homes. Sorry, buddy. There is no evidence Jews organized to course through the streets all night long looking for Jews to beat, no matter how hard you try to stretch....
How you get from that to "Jews deserved to be chased through the streets" is a mystery. More of your twisted logic of retribution, I guess. Reasonable people can see that there was fault on both sides.
the twisted logic is trying to equate rowdy Jewish fans who tussled momentarily with Palestinian protestors with hours of violence organized by muslims to target Jews throughout the city.
But that isn't what happened. There is evidence of organized and ongoing violence by the Israelis.
only in your mind
No one on this board was physically there and knows for a certainty what happened.
The question becomes do you trust the Netanyahu's Israeli government and corporate news media?
I do not.
Unfortunately, everything visible reflects a consistent theme.... a scuffle between soccer fans and pro-Palestinian demonstrators prompted muslims to engage in a night of hunting Jews thru the streets of Amsterdam. Virtually every source reflects some version of that. Not just the media but the mayor, the PM, the King, the police statements, etc.......all cited muslims, specifically or contextually, as having ORGANIZED sectarian violence against Jews, for hours, and there is hard evidence such occurred (social media records, cell phone records, photographs/videos, arrest records, hospital data, etc.......).
One can also zoom out to check plausibility - there are 1.5m people in greater Amsterdam, and 6.6% of them are muslims, approx 99k in total. Is it plausible that 3k foreign soccer fans would get so giddy in victory that they would engage in an entire night of violence against 99k Dutch muslims living in Amsterdam so severe that it prompted city-wide curfews? Or does it seem more reasonable that the presence of 3k reveling Jews offended the sensibilities of 99k Amsterdam muslims enough to provoke pent up outrage over what's happening in Gaza? Smart money would be on scenarios resembling the latter.
The counter-narrative is thinly sourced and seeks to spin the initial scuffling into Jewish bullying of muslims and/or a pitched-battle between equals and/or the Jews forgot their place and deserved what they got.
You wanna refute my take, go research the police arrest records. See how many Maccabi fans spent a night in jail. That would be one of the brightest lightbulbs on the porch.
