Unless you were in the US military getting bombed from Iran
Netanyahu said "we are at war,"
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"What do you say about the argument that money is fungible — so Iran may have known this money is coming and used other funds to help fund this attack?"
— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) October 8, 2023
Secretary of State Antony Blinken: "Iran has unfortunately always used and focused its funds on supporting terrorism" pic.twitter.com/t8kyDqOHk9
In September Matt Lee (a real journalist) had the same back and forth with the State Department's Matthew Miller that Twitter has been having today about the billions released to Iran.
— MAZE (@mazemoore) October 8, 2023
Word games. They claim it's Iran's money but also claim we control how it's spent. pic.twitter.com/k9dlOGZaui
Cobretti said:"What do you say about the argument that money is fungible — so Iran may have known this money is coming and used other funds to help fund this attack?"
— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) October 8, 2023
Secretary of State Antony Blinken: "Iran has unfortunately always used and focused its funds on supporting terrorism" pic.twitter.com/t8kyDqOHk9
I wonder when that first occurred to him. These people are stupid, weak, or evil.
Biden's Secretary of State confirms Americans were killed in attacks on Israel.
— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) October 8, 2023
"We have reports that several Americans were killed. There are reports of missing Americans." pic.twitter.com/VYyD79NSER
Cobretti said:Biden's Secretary of State confirms Americans were killed in attacks on Israel.
— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) October 8, 2023
"We have reports that several Americans were killed. There are reports of missing Americans." pic.twitter.com/VYyD79NSER
The number is in the dozens.
Look at this Washington Post headline. How about:
— Megyn Kelly (@megynkelly) October 8, 2023
“Hamas Terrorists Murder, Kidnap Hundreds of Innocents in Unprovoked Attack; Israel Acknowledges: It’s War” pic.twitter.com/Vf81m3eKO0
KaiBear said:
As predicted.
Eqyptian police officer murdered two Israeli tourists yesterday in Alexandria.
Anyone in our woke State Department who thinks billions of dollars in US aid annually given to Egypt has alterred Muslim hatred of Israel is an idiot.
There will be assaults on American Jews as well in the coming weeks.
Isael has no choice at this point but to fight an all out war on the Muslin aggressors or their people will be on constant attack throughout the world.
I don't understand how anyone is stupid enough to think that we can have peace with Muslims.
Their religion was created by a horrible, brutal murder/ pedophile. Islam is evil. There is no possible way to have peace with evil. Islam only recognizes peace as the after effect of domination & subjugation. They will NEVER accept a Jewish state or a Christian state.
It's time to stop lying about Islam, and to just get on with it. They want a war and we should oblige them. Nuke the Muslims back into the stone age.
The world will be far better off without Islam. They contribute nothing of unique value.
Edit: here is exhibit A
They don't want peace... never have and never will.
May Allah remove Israel from earth pic.twitter.com/DgzOkWng7G
— زينب العزيز 🇵🇸 (@ZynabAlAziz) October 8, 2023
ShooterTX
There is no bottom for these guys
— Stephen L. Miller (@redsteeze) October 8, 2023
ShooterTX said:KaiBear said:
As predicted.
Eqyptian police officer murdered two Israeli tourists yesterday in Alexandria.
Anyone in our woke State Department who thinks billions of dollars in US aid annually given to Egypt has alterred Muslim hatred of Israel is an idiot.
There will be assaults on American Jews as well in the coming weeks.
Isael has no choice at this point but to fight an all out war on the Muslin aggressors or their people will be on constant attack throughout the world.
I don't understand how anyone is stupid enough to think that we can have peace with Muslims.
Their religion was created by a horrible, brutal murder/ pedophile. Islam is evil. There is no possible way to have peace with evil. Islam only recognizes peace as the after effect of domination & subjugation. They will NEVER accept a Jewish state or a Christian state.
It's time to stop lying about Islam, and to just get on with it. They want a war and we should oblige them. Nuke the Muslims back into the stone age.
The world will be far better off without Islam. They contribute nothing of unique value.
Edit: here is exhibit A
They don't want peace... never have and never will.May Allah remove Israel from earth pic.twitter.com/DgzOkWng7G
— زينب العزيز 🇵🇸 (@ZynabAlAziz) October 8, 2023
More evidence of the evils of Islam.
Sickening: Palestinians celebrating the cruel actions of Hamas against Israelis.
— Inbar Cohen (@InbarCohen13) October 8, 2023
They celebrate the murder of 700 Israelis, the kidnapping of 100+ Israelis, the wounding of 2000+ Israelis and the 4000+ rockets fired at Israel. Sick. pic.twitter.com/qSZH5skq7Q
They did this in Gaza and the West Bank on 911 too. Most of that video evidence has been scrubbed from the internet, but it did happen.
Muslims are just evil.
ShooterTX
ShooterTX said:ShooterTX said:KaiBear said:
As predicted.
Eqyptian police officer murdered two Israeli tourists yesterday in Alexandria.
Anyone in our woke State Department who thinks billions of dollars in US aid annually given to Egypt has alterred Muslim hatred of Israel is an idiot.
There will be assaults on American Jews as well in the coming weeks.
Isael has no choice at this point but to fight an all out war on the Muslin aggressors or their people will be on constant attack throughout the world.
I don't understand how anyone is stupid enough to think that we can have peace with Muslims.
Their religion was created by a horrible, brutal murder/ pedophile. Islam is evil. There is no possible way to have peace with evil. Islam only recognizes peace as the after effect of domination & subjugation. They will NEVER accept a Jewish state or a Christian state.
It's time to stop lying about Islam, and to just get on with it. They want a war and we should oblige them. Nuke the Muslims back into the stone age.
The world will be far better off without Islam. They contribute nothing of unique value.
Edit: here is exhibit A
They don't want peace... never have and never will.May Allah remove Israel from earth pic.twitter.com/DgzOkWng7G
— زينب العزيز 🇵🇸 (@ZynabAlAziz) October 8, 2023
More evidence of the evils of Islam.Sickening: Palestinians celebrating the cruel actions of Hamas against Israelis.
— Inbar Cohen (@InbarCohen13) October 8, 2023
They celebrate the murder of 700 Israelis, the kidnapping of 100+ Israelis, the wounding of 2000+ Israelis and the 4000+ rockets fired at Israel. Sick. pic.twitter.com/qSZH5skq7Q
They did this in Gaza and the West Bank on 911 too. Most of that video evidence has been scrubbed from the internet, but it did happen.
Muslims are just evil.
And here is more evidence, for anyone stupid enough to trust a Muslim living in the civilized West.
BREAKING: Overnight in the Toronto a group of Hamas supporters celebrated the attacks on Israel. 🇮🇱🇨🇦🇵🇸
— Libs Fails 🇺🇸 (@LibsFails) October 8, 2023
Many women and children were gun downed and abducted in broad day light during the attacks.
How can they celebrate a massacre? These monsters need to be DEPORTED. pic.twitter.com/G7YsPYz4cm
Deport them all back to the hellholes they came from.
Muslims in Scotland too
A Palestinian 🇯🇴 Supporter Burn the Flag of Israel in Glasgow#Hamas | #Israel | #Palestine | #Palestina | #TelAviv | #Gaza | #طوفان_الأقصى | #حماس | #إسرائيل pic.twitter.com/xH68W9Bvhq
— Muhammad Usman (@ManiSays0) October 8, 2023
ShooterTX
The solution is to goad them into referring to a tr***y by the wrong pronoun. That's a capital offense in Canada.ShooterTX said:ShooterTX said:ShooterTX said:KaiBear said:
As predicted.
Eqyptian police officer murdered two Israeli tourists yesterday in Alexandria.
Anyone in our woke State Department who thinks billions of dollars in US aid annually given to Egypt has alterred Muslim hatred of Israel is an idiot.
There will be assaults on American Jews as well in the coming weeks.
Isael has no choice at this point but to fight an all out war on the Muslin aggressors or their people will be on constant attack throughout the world.
I don't understand how anyone is stupid enough to think that we can have peace with Muslims.
Their religion was created by a horrible, brutal murder/ pedophile. Islam is evil. There is no possible way to have peace with evil. Islam only recognizes peace as the after effect of domination & subjugation. They will NEVER accept a Jewish state or a Christian state.
It's time to stop lying about Islam, and to just get on with it. They want a war and we should oblige them. Nuke the Muslims back into the stone age.
The world will be far better off without Islam. They contribute nothing of unique value.
Edit: here is exhibit A
They don't want peace... never have and never will.May Allah remove Israel from earth pic.twitter.com/DgzOkWng7G
— زينب العزيز 🇵🇸 (@ZynabAlAziz) October 8, 2023
More evidence of the evils of Islam.Sickening: Palestinians celebrating the cruel actions of Hamas against Israelis.
— Inbar Cohen (@InbarCohen13) October 8, 2023
They celebrate the murder of 700 Israelis, the kidnapping of 100+ Israelis, the wounding of 2000+ Israelis and the 4000+ rockets fired at Israel. Sick. pic.twitter.com/qSZH5skq7Q
They did this in Gaza and the West Bank on 911 too. Most of that video evidence has been scrubbed from the internet, but it did happen.
Muslims are just evil.
And here is more evidence, for anyone stupid enough to trust a Muslim living in the civilized West.BREAKING: Overnight in the Toronto a group of Hamas supporters celebrated the attacks on Israel. 🇮🇱🇨🇦🇵🇸
— Libs Fails 🇺🇸 (@LibsFails) October 8, 2023
Many women and children were gun downed and abducted in broad day light during the attacks.
How can they celebrate a massacre? These monsters need to be DEPORTED. pic.twitter.com/G7YsPYz4cm
Deport them all back to the hellholes they came from.
I mostly agree, but add in Christianity. They are already in the stone age and the only thing that helped Christians was taking them so far out of that mindset that they don't take their religion seriously anymore.ShooterTX said:KaiBear said:
As predicted.
Eqyptian police officer murdered two Israeli tourists yesterday in Alexandria.
Anyone in our woke State Department who thinks billions of dollars in US aid annually given to Egypt has alterred Muslim hatred of Israel is an idiot.
There will be assaults on American Jews as well in the coming weeks.
Isael has no choice at this point but to fight an all out war on the Muslin aggressors or their people will be on constant attack throughout the world.
I don't understand how anyone is stupid enough to think that we can have peace with Muslims.
Their religion was created by a horrible, brutal murder/ pedophile. Islam is evil. There is no possible way to have peace with evil. Islam only recognizes peace as the after effect of domination & subjugation. They will NEVER accept a Jewish state or a Christian state.
It's time to stop lying about Islam, and to just get on with it. They want a war and we should oblige them. Nuke the Muslims back into the stone age.
The world will be far better off without Islam. They contribute nothing of unique value.
Edit: here is exhibit A
They don't want peace... never have and never will.May Allah remove Israel from earth pic.twitter.com/DgzOkWng7G
— زينب العزيز 🇵🇸 (@ZynabAlAziz) October 8, 2023
Sherman destroyed the South's capacity to make war. There is a lot of overlap, but his mission was to make sure Georgia no longer had the ability to wage war. That is what he did.whiterock said:His campaigns in GA and SC were directed at supply chain. Railroads, factories, warehouses, grain stores, etc....to include burning the means of ag production as well as crops in the field. Civilians get harmed and worse in that kind of warfare, to include random criminal activity by soldiers. He did not issue order to line up and shell cities, do cavalry raids on schools, etc..... He did not parade naked female captives around to slake the joy of crowds before summary execution.Redbrickbear said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:My question was for Redbrick. Not you. He is on record for saying Abraham Lincoln should have been tried for war crimes. He is bat s h i t crazy. You should avoid the crazy.FLBear5630 said:What are you talking about. Got news for you, things have chaged since 1865 or 1776. The founding fathers did not comprehend the modern world. So, to try to govern on 1776 tenents, is ridiculous.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Question for you. Who do you hate more? Israel or Abraham Lincoln?Redbrickbear said:whiterock said:Redbrickbear said:KaiBear said:
Worst defeat for Israel in decades.
Massive counterattacks will have to be made or other Muslim groups will be encouraged to join the attacks on Israel.
US taxpayers will be called upon yet again to supply billions of dollars in aid. This time to Israel.
Serious question…we give them billions in modern weaponry and Abrams tanks…yet they still have trouble oppressing some Palestinians with rocks, AK-47s, and home made rockets? How is that possible…Where do you stand on this operation?
— Rothmus 🏴 (@Rothmus) October 7, 2023
Palestinian aggression or self-defense? https://t.co/WS81ontlvU
Because, unlike the Arabs, the Jews have not indiscriminately killed women and children.
Your kidding right?
They have both committed horrible crimes against each others civilian populations.
It's a vicious and cruel tribal conflict that the USA has not reason to get involved with.
I'm pretty sure I said Gen. Sherman should have
tied for war crimes.
If nothing else just for his campaigns in Georgia and S. Carolina directed at civilians.
I don't personally remember saying that about Lincoln.
But you're welcome to search back on this forum and check.
And having a contrary opinion about an American President does not make some one crazy….just means they have spent the time to research the matter
You are being an @$$ here, to defend the indefensible.
There are a few guys who get terminally confused by Muslim *****.ShooterTX said:KaiBear said:
As predicted.
Eqyptian police officer murdered two Israeli tourists yesterday in Alexandria.
Anyone in our woke State Department who thinks billions of dollars in US aid annually given to Egypt has alterred Muslim hatred of Israel is an idiot.
There will be assaults on American Jews as well in the coming weeks.
Isael has no choice at this point but to fight an all out war on the Muslin aggressors or their people will be on constant attack throughout the world.
I don't understand how anyone is stupid enough to think that we can have peace with Muslims.
However it is primarily the case of millions of younger men and women who choose to be intellectually lazy . Passively deluding themselves that ' all people are fundamentally the same'.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
When I was in Saudi for Desert Storm, they had tents set up to discuss Islam. They were not like the violent ones we are seeing. They discussed and answered questions, but no pressure to convert or anything. Sadly, they had more answers than many of the Christians when asked questions.KaiBear said:There are a few guys who get terminally confused by Muslim *****.ShooterTX said:KaiBear said:
As predicted.
Eqyptian police officer murdered two Israeli tourists yesterday in Alexandria.
Anyone in our woke State Department who thinks billions of dollars in US aid annually given to Egypt has alterred Muslim hatred of Israel is an idiot.
There will be assaults on American Jews as well in the coming weeks.
Isael has no choice at this point but to fight an all out war on the Muslin aggressors or their people will be on constant attack throughout the world.
I don't understand how anyone is stupid enough to think that we can have peace with Muslims.
However it is primarily the case of millions of younger men and women who choose to be intellectually lazy . Passively deluding themselves that ' all people are fundamentally the same'.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Dawa, Islamic proselytizing, is pre-violent jihad. When the good Dawa spreaders start talking, you better know your texts and their texts or they will snow you over.FLBear5630 said:When I was in Saudi for Desert Storm, they had tents set up to discuss Islam. They were not like the violent ones we are seeing. They discussed and answered questions, but no pressure to convert or anything. Sadly, they had more answers than many of the Christians when asked questions.KaiBear said:There are a few guys who get terminally confused by Muslim *****.ShooterTX said:KaiBear said:
As predicted.
Eqyptian police officer murdered two Israeli tourists yesterday in Alexandria.
Anyone in our woke State Department who thinks billions of dollars in US aid annually given to Egypt has alterred Muslim hatred of Israel is an idiot.
There will be assaults on American Jews as well in the coming weeks.
Isael has no choice at this point but to fight an all out war on the Muslin aggressors or their people will be on constant attack throughout the world.
I don't understand how anyone is stupid enough to think that we can have peace with Muslims.
However it is primarily the case of millions of younger men and women who choose to be intellectually lazy . Passively deluding themselves that ' all people are fundamentally the same'.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
The American flag in the background is just 🤌🏻 https://t.co/M41SFivnB0
— Edward Badgette (@acrimonyand) October 8, 2023
FLBear5630 said:When I was in Saudi for Desert Storm, they had tents set up to discuss Islam. They were not like the violent ones we are seeing. They discussed and answered questions, but no pressure to convert or anything. Sadly, they had more answers than many of the Christians when asked questions.KaiBear said:There are a few guys who get terminally confused by Muslim *****.ShooterTX said:KaiBear said:
As predicted.
Eqyptian police officer murdered two Israeli tourists yesterday in Alexandria.
Anyone in our woke State Department who thinks billions of dollars in US aid annually given to Egypt has alterred Muslim hatred of Israel is an idiot.
There will be assaults on American Jews as well in the coming weeks.
Isael has no choice at this point but to fight an all out war on the Muslin aggressors or their people will be on constant attack throughout the world.
I don't understand how anyone is stupid enough to think that we can have peace with Muslims.
However it is primarily the case of millions of younger men and women who choose to be intellectually lazy . Passively deluding themselves that ' all people are fundamentally the same'.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Again, all you really need to know is the life of the founder of each religion.
Jesus was a peaceful man who performed miracles, fed the hungry, healed the sick, blessed his enemies... etc
Mohammed was a brutal murder who taught how to properly beat women, how to murder Jews, subjugate non-believers, marry/rape young girls, etc.
Anyone equating Christianity with Islam is either ignorant, foolish, or a liar.
ShooterTX
Mohammad also thought he was demon possessed and thought about committing suicide as he received "revelations" in a cave at Mount Hira. Not exactly something that inspires confidence in the man or the message.ShooterTX said:FLBear5630 said:When I was in Saudi for Desert Storm, they had tents set up to discuss Islam. They were not like the violent ones we are seeing. They discussed and answered questions, but no pressure to convert or anything. Sadly, they had more answers than many of the Christians when asked questions.KaiBear said:There are a few guys who get terminally confused by Muslim *****.ShooterTX said:KaiBear said:
As predicted.
Eqyptian police officer murdered two Israeli tourists yesterday in Alexandria.
Anyone in our woke State Department who thinks billions of dollars in US aid annually given to Egypt has alterred Muslim hatred of Israel is an idiot.
There will be assaults on American Jews as well in the coming weeks.
Isael has no choice at this point but to fight an all out war on the Muslin aggressors or their people will be on constant attack throughout the world.
I don't understand how anyone is stupid enough to think that we can have peace with Muslims.
However it is primarily the case of millions of younger men and women who choose to be intellectually lazy . Passively deluding themselves that ' all people are fundamentally the same'.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Again, all you really need to know is the life of the founder of each religion.
Jesus was a peaceful man who performed miracles, fed the hungry, healed the sick, blessed his enemies... etc
Mohammed was a brutal murder who taught how to properly beat women, how to murder Jews, subjugate non-believers, marry/rape young girls, etc.
Anyone equating Christianity with Islam is either ignorant, foolish, or a liar.
No one is equating the founders. Jesus was obviously a better person. People are equating the followers. Which are equal scum when they follow their respective religion. Christians rarely follow Christianity except in 3rd world countries where it turns into the same old religious violence. Thankfully modern Christians don't understand what is in the bible.ShooterTX said:FLBear5630 said:When I was in Saudi for Desert Storm, they had tents set up to discuss Islam. They were not like the violent ones we are seeing. They discussed and answered questions, but no pressure to convert or anything. Sadly, they had more answers than many of the Christians when asked questions.KaiBear said:There are a few guys who get terminally confused by Muslim *****.ShooterTX said:KaiBear said:
As predicted.
Eqyptian police officer murdered two Israeli tourists yesterday in Alexandria.
Anyone in our woke State Department who thinks billions of dollars in US aid annually given to Egypt has alterred Muslim hatred of Israel is an idiot.
There will be assaults on American Jews as well in the coming weeks.
Isael has no choice at this point but to fight an all out war on the Muslin aggressors or their people will be on constant attack throughout the world.
I don't understand how anyone is stupid enough to think that we can have peace with Muslims.
However it is primarily the case of millions of younger men and women who choose to be intellectually lazy . Passively deluding themselves that ' all people are fundamentally the same'.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Again, all you really need to know is the life of the founder of each religion.
Jesus was a peaceful man who performed miracles, fed the hungry, healed the sick, blessed his enemies... etc
Mohammed was a brutal murder who taught how to properly beat women, how to murder Jews, subjugate non-believers, marry/rape young girls, etc.
Anyone equating Christianity with Islam is either ignorant, foolish, or a liar.
There is a chance you take it seriously as you are wanting to burn half the people on the planet to death though. Just religious things
Such self serving garbage.ron.reagan said:No one is equating the founders. Jesus was obviously a better person. People are equating the followers. Which are equal scum when they follow their respective religion.ShooterTX said:FLBear5630 said:When I was in Saudi for Desert Storm, they had tents set up to discuss Islam. They were not like the violent ones we are seeing. They discussed and answered questions, but no pressure to convert or anything. Sadly, they had more answers than many of the Christians when asked questions.KaiBear said:There are a few guys who get terminally confused by Muslim *****.ShooterTX said:KaiBear said:
As predicted.
Eqyptian police officer murdered two Israeli tourists yesterday in Alexandria.
Anyone in our woke State Department who thinks billions of dollars in US aid annually given to Egypt has alterred Muslim hatred of Israel is an idiot.
There will be assaults on American Jews as well in the coming weeks.
Isael has no choice at this point but to fight an all out war on the Muslin aggressors or their people will be on constant attack throughout the world.
I don't understand how anyone is stupid enough to think that we can have peace with Muslims.
However it is primarily the case of millions of younger men and women who choose to be intellectually lazy . Passively deluding themselves that ' all people are fundamentally the same'.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Again, all you really need to know is the life of the founder of each religion.
Jesus was a peaceful man who performed miracles, fed the hungry, healed the sick, blessed his enemies... etc
Mohammed was a brutal murder who taught how to properly beat women, how to murder Jews, subjugate non-believers, marry/rape young girls, etc.
Anyone equating Christianity with Islam is either ignorant, foolish, or a liar.
Would be amusing to rread what you have accomplished , outside of internet bleating, to justify the pedistal you so desperately wish to occupy.
Suspect its a short list; consisting of an undergraduate degree, a mountain of debt and an exceedingly quiet 2 bedroom apartment.
I don't have an A&M degree like you, so that helps!KaiBear said:Such self serving garbage.ron.reagan said:No one is equating the founders. Jesus was obviously a better person. People are equating the followers. Which are equal scum when they follow their respective religion.ShooterTX said:FLBear5630 said:When I was in Saudi for Desert Storm, they had tents set up to discuss Islam. They were not like the violent ones we are seeing. They discussed and answered questions, but no pressure to convert or anything. Sadly, they had more answers than many of the Christians when asked questions.KaiBear said:There are a few guys who get terminally confused by Muslim *****.ShooterTX said:KaiBear said:
As predicted.
Eqyptian police officer murdered two Israeli tourists yesterday in Alexandria.
Anyone in our woke State Department who thinks billions of dollars in US aid annually given to Egypt has alterred Muslim hatred of Israel is an idiot.
There will be assaults on American Jews as well in the coming weeks.
Isael has no choice at this point but to fight an all out war on the Muslin aggressors or their people will be on constant attack throughout the world.
I don't understand how anyone is stupid enough to think that we can have peace with Muslims.
However it is primarily the case of millions of younger men and women who choose to be intellectually lazy . Passively deluding themselves that ' all people are fundamentally the same'.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Again, all you really need to know is the life of the founder of each religion.
Jesus was a peaceful man who performed miracles, fed the hungry, healed the sick, blessed his enemies... etc
Mohammed was a brutal murder who taught how to properly beat women, how to murder Jews, subjugate non-believers, marry/rape young girls, etc.
Anyone equating Christianity with Islam is either ignorant, foolish, or a liar.
Would be amusing to rread what you have accomplished , outside of internet bleating, to justify the pedistal you so desperately wish to occupy.
Suspect its a short list; consisting of an undergraduate degree, a mountain of debt and an exceedingly quiet 2 bedroom apartment.
ShooterTX said:FLBear5630 said:When I was in Saudi for Desert Storm, they had tents set up to discuss Islam. They were not like the violent ones we are seeing. They discussed and answered questions, but no pressure to convert or anything. Sadly, they had more answers than many of the Christians when asked questions.KaiBear said:There are a few guys who get terminally confused by Muslim *****.ShooterTX said:KaiBear said:
As predicted.
Eqyptian police officer murdered two Israeli tourists yesterday in Alexandria.
Anyone in our woke State Department who thinks billions of dollars in US aid annually given to Egypt has alterred Muslim hatred of Israel is an idiot.
There will be assaults on American Jews as well in the coming weeks.
Isael has no choice at this point but to fight an all out war on the Muslin aggressors or their people will be on constant attack throughout the world.
I don't understand how anyone is stupid enough to think that we can have peace with Muslims.
However it is primarily the case of millions of younger men and women who choose to be intellectually lazy . Passively deluding themselves that ' all people are fundamentally the same'.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Again, all you really need to know is the life of the founder of each religion.
Jesus was a peaceful man who performed miracles, fed the hungry, healed the sick, blessed his enemies... etc
Mohammed was a brutal murder who taught how to properly beat women, how to murder Jews, subjugate non-believers, marry/rape young girls, etc.
Anyone equating Christianity with Islam is either ignorant, foolish, or a liar.
You are correct. They were not pushy or rude, but make no mistake Islam seemed to be a brutal religion. No room for forgiveness and no room for non-believers/infidels.
True story, I had a vehicle since I had several detachments to work with. I would get to go to the Saudi Airbase at Dhahrarn. When there i would grab a workout in their weight room and a shower. I had to use the infidel showers, literally marked infidels. Talked to a lot of Saudi pilots, educated in England and US, be y they said they will die in the cock pit or desk. Because if they left they would take it out on their family. No room for individual thought, religious opinion or diverging from your role. And these were the open minded ones compared to the ****es to the north. I was not impressed with a life under Islam.
That sounds horrible. Spanish Inquisition or St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre level badFLBear5630 said:ShooterTX said:FLBear5630 said:When I was in Saudi for Desert Storm, they had tents set up to discuss Islam. They were not like the violent ones we are seeing. They discussed and answered questions, but no pressure to convert or anything. Sadly, they had more answers than many of the Christians when asked questions.KaiBear said:There are a few guys who get terminally confused by Muslim *****.ShooterTX said:KaiBear said:
As predicted.
Eqyptian police officer murdered two Israeli tourists yesterday in Alexandria.
Anyone in our woke State Department who thinks billions of dollars in US aid annually given to Egypt has alterred Muslim hatred of Israel is an idiot.
There will be assaults on American Jews as well in the coming weeks.
Isael has no choice at this point but to fight an all out war on the Muslin aggressors or their people will be on constant attack throughout the world.
I don't understand how anyone is stupid enough to think that we can have peace with Muslims.
However it is primarily the case of millions of younger men and women who choose to be intellectually lazy . Passively deluding themselves that ' all people are fundamentally the same'.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Again, all you really need to know is the life of the founder of each religion.
Jesus was a peaceful man who performed miracles, fed the hungry, healed the sick, blessed his enemies... etc
Mohammed was a brutal murder who taught how to properly beat women, how to murder Jews, subjugate non-believers, marry/rape young girls, etc.
Anyone equating Christianity with Islam is either ignorant, foolish, or a liar.
You are correct. They were not pushy or rude, but make no mistake Islam seemed to be a brutal religion. No room for forgiveness and no room for non-believers/infidels.
True story, I had a vehicle since I had several detachments to work with. I would get to go to the Saudi Airbase at Dhahrarn. When there i would grab a workout in their weight room and a shower. I had to use the infidel showers, literally marked infidels. Talked to a lot of Saudi pilots, educated in England and US, be y they said they will die in the cock pit or desk. Because if they left they would take it out on their family. No room for individual thought, religious opinion or diverging from your role. And these were the open minded ones compared to the ****es to the north. I was not impressed with a life under Islam.
Obvious, pointless deflection.ron.reagan said:I don't have an A&M degree like you, so that helps!KaiBear said:Such self serving garbage.ron.reagan said:No one is equating the founders. Jesus was obviously a better person. People are equating the followers. Which are equal scum when they follow their respective religion.ShooterTX said:FLBear5630 said:When I was in Saudi for Desert Storm, they had tents set up to discuss Islam. They were not like the violent ones we are seeing. They discussed and answered questions, but no pressure to convert or anything. Sadly, they had more answers than many of the Christians when asked questions.KaiBear said:There are a few guys who get terminally confused by Muslim *****.ShooterTX said:KaiBear said:
As predicted.
Eqyptian police officer murdered two Israeli tourists yesterday in Alexandria.
Anyone in our woke State Department who thinks billions of dollars in US aid annually given to Egypt has alterred Muslim hatred of Israel is an idiot.
There will be assaults on American Jews as well in the coming weeks.
Isael has no choice at this point but to fight an all out war on the Muslin aggressors or their people will be on constant attack throughout the world.
I don't understand how anyone is stupid enough to think that we can have peace with Muslims.
However it is primarily the case of millions of younger men and women who choose to be intellectually lazy . Passively deluding themselves that ' all people are fundamentally the same'.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Again, all you really need to know is the life of the founder of each religion.
Jesus was a peaceful man who performed miracles, fed the hungry, healed the sick, blessed his enemies... etc
Mohammed was a brutal murder who taught how to properly beat women, how to murder Jews, subjugate non-believers, marry/rape young girls, etc.
Anyone equating Christianity with Islam is either ignorant, foolish, or a liar.
Would be amusing to rread what you have accomplished , outside of internet bleating, to justify the pedistal you so desperately wish to occupy.
Suspect its a short list; consisting of an undergraduate degree, a mountain of debt and an exceedingly quiet 2 bedroom apartment.
For all your arogance, you have accomplished very little. All you have is your little keyboard to vent out your hopelessness.
Meanwhile our small town Chrisian 'scum' organization of under 50 active members donates over $ 100,000 every year to the poor, crippled, lonely and dying. Most receiving the funds are not Christians.
BTW this figure does not even remotely cover the additional tens of thousands that are donated individually. Does not reflect the thousands of hours individually volunteered to the homeless shelters, assisted living centers, hospitals or the nursing homes.
So again, what is the basis of your arrogance ?
I am poor,crippled, lonely, and dying. I really appreciate your donationsKaiBear said:Obvious, pointless deflection.ron.reagan said:I don't have an A&M degree like you, so that helps!KaiBear said:Such self serving garbage.ron.reagan said:No one is equating the founders. Jesus was obviously a better person. People are equating the followers. Which are equal scum when they follow their respective religion.ShooterTX said:FLBear5630 said:When I was in Saudi for Desert Storm, they had tents set up to discuss Islam. They were not like the violent ones we are seeing. They discussed and answered questions, but no pressure to convert or anything. Sadly, they had more answers than many of the Christians when asked questions.KaiBear said:There are a few guys who get terminally confused by Muslim *****.ShooterTX said:KaiBear said:
As predicted.
Eqyptian police officer murdered two Israeli tourists yesterday in Alexandria.
Anyone in our woke State Department who thinks billions of dollars in US aid annually given to Egypt has alterred Muslim hatred of Israel is an idiot.
There will be assaults on American Jews as well in the coming weeks.
Isael has no choice at this point but to fight an all out war on the Muslin aggressors or their people will be on constant attack throughout the world.
I don't understand how anyone is stupid enough to think that we can have peace with Muslims.
However it is primarily the case of millions of younger men and women who choose to be intellectually lazy . Passively deluding themselves that ' all people are fundamentally the same'.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Again, all you really need to know is the life of the founder of each religion.
Jesus was a peaceful man who performed miracles, fed the hungry, healed the sick, blessed his enemies... etc
Mohammed was a brutal murder who taught how to properly beat women, how to murder Jews, subjugate non-believers, marry/rape young girls, etc.
Anyone equating Christianity with Islam is either ignorant, foolish, or a liar.
Would be amusing to rread what you have accomplished , outside of internet bleating, to justify the pedistal you so desperately wish to occupy.
Suspect its a short list; consisting of an undergraduate degree, a mountain of debt and an exceedingly quiet 2 bedroom apartment.
For all your arogance, you have accomplished very little. All you have is your little keyboard to vent out your hopelessness.
Meanwhile our small town Chrisian 'scum' organization of under 50 active members donates over $ 100,000 every year to the poor, crippled, lonely and dying. Most receiving the funds are not Christians.
BTW this figure does not even remotely cover the additional tens of thousands that are donated individually. Does not reflect the thousands of hours individually volunteered to the homeless shelters, assisted living centers, hospitals or the nursing homes.
So again, what is the basis of your arrogance ?
ron.reagan said:That sounds horrible. Spanish Inquisition or St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre level badFLBear5630 said:ShooterTX said:FLBear5630 said:When I was in Saudi for Desert Storm, they had tents set up to discuss Islam. They were not like the violent ones we are seeing. They discussed and answered questions, but no pressure to convert or anything. Sadly, they had more answers than many of the Christians when asked questions.KaiBear said:There are a few guys who get terminally confused by Muslim *****.ShooterTX said:KaiBear said:
As predicted.
Eqyptian police officer murdered two Israeli tourists yesterday in Alexandria.
Anyone in our woke State Department who thinks billions of dollars in US aid annually given to Egypt has alterred Muslim hatred of Israel is an idiot.
There will be assaults on American Jews as well in the coming weeks.
Isael has no choice at this point but to fight an all out war on the Muslin aggressors or their people will be on constant attack throughout the world.
I don't understand how anyone is stupid enough to think that we can have peace with Muslims.
However it is primarily the case of millions of younger men and women who choose to be intellectually lazy . Passively deluding themselves that ' all people are fundamentally the same'.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Again, all you really need to know is the life of the founder of each religion.
Jesus was a peaceful man who performed miracles, fed the hungry, healed the sick, blessed his enemies... etc
Mohammed was a brutal murder who taught how to properly beat women, how to murder Jews, subjugate non-believers, marry/rape young girls, etc.
Anyone equating Christianity with Islam is either ignorant, foolish, or a liar.
You are correct. They were not pushy or rude, but make no mistake Islam seemed to be a brutal religion. No room for forgiveness and no room for non-believers/infidels.
True story, I had a vehicle since I had several detachments to work with. I would get to go to the Saudi Airbase at Dhahrarn. When there i would grab a workout in their weight room and a shower. I had to use the infidel showers, literally marked infidels. Talked to a lot of Saudi pilots, educated in England and US, be y they said they will die in the cock pit or desk. Because if they left they would take it out on their family. No room for individual thought, religious opinion or diverging from your role. And these were the open minded ones compared to the ****es to the north. I was not impressed with a life under Islam.
I have shared an office with an Algerian Moslem, very devout. When I evacuated for wild fires he took us in his house. Iranian engineers that left in 1978, were great. So, it is harsh, but it depends on the person. Islam appeals to engineers. It is very logical and the Koran answers questions better than the Bible. It is what you make of it, just like Catholicism, Protestants or even football fans
You can make it brutal or you can be reasonable.. I don't want to give an all negative view.
Still another deflection as you have zero basis for your arrogance.ron.reagan said:I am poor,crippled, lonely, and dying. I really appreciate your donationsKaiBear said:Obvious, pointless deflection.ron.reagan said:I don't have an A&M degree like you, so that helps!KaiBear said:Such self serving garbage.ron.reagan said:No one is equating the founders. Jesus was obviously a better person. People are equating the followers. Which are equal scum when they follow their respective religion.ShooterTX said:FLBear5630 said:When I was in Saudi for Desert Storm, they had tents set up to discuss Islam. They were not like the violent ones we are seeing. They discussed and answered questions, but no pressure to convert or anything. Sadly, they had more answers than many of the Christians when asked questions.KaiBear said:There are a few guys who get terminally confused by Muslim *****.ShooterTX said:KaiBear said:
As predicted.
Eqyptian police officer murdered two Israeli tourists yesterday in Alexandria.
Anyone in our woke State Department who thinks billions of dollars in US aid annually given to Egypt has alterred Muslim hatred of Israel is an idiot.
There will be assaults on American Jews as well in the coming weeks.
Isael has no choice at this point but to fight an all out war on the Muslin aggressors or their people will be on constant attack throughout the world.
I don't understand how anyone is stupid enough to think that we can have peace with Muslims.
However it is primarily the case of millions of younger men and women who choose to be intellectually lazy . Passively deluding themselves that ' all people are fundamentally the same'.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Again, all you really need to know is the life of the founder of each religion.
Jesus was a peaceful man who performed miracles, fed the hungry, healed the sick, blessed his enemies... etc
Mohammed was a brutal murder who taught how to properly beat women, how to murder Jews, subjugate non-believers, marry/rape young girls, etc.
Anyone equating Christianity with Islam is either ignorant, foolish, or a liar.
Would be amusing to rread what you have accomplished , outside of internet bleating, to justify the pedistal you so desperately wish to occupy.
Suspect its a short list; consisting of an undergraduate degree, a mountain of debt and an exceedingly quiet 2 bedroom apartment.
For all your arogance, you have accomplished very little. All you have is your little keyboard to vent out your hopelessness.
Meanwhile our small town Chrisian 'scum' organization of under 50 active members donates over $ 100,000 every year to the poor, crippled, lonely and dying. Most receiving the funds are not Christians.
BTW this figure does not even remotely cover the additional tens of thousands that are donated individually. Does not reflect the thousands of hours individually volunteered to the homeless shelters, assisted living centers, hospitals or the nursing homes.
So again, what is the basis of your arrogance ?
Possibly very lonely, yet most certainly damaged.
The result of years of parental donations..
Now over 700 confirmed dead in Israel.
Biden now sending a carrier strike group offshore.
An obvious message to Iran.
Doubt the Iranians are impressed in the slightest.
They alreasy have the measure of our commanger in chief.
Biden now sending a carrier strike group offshore.
An obvious message to Iran.
Doubt the Iranians are impressed in the slightest.
They alreasy have the measure of our commanger in chief.
Which questions have the Quran answered for you?FLBear5630 said:ron.reagan said:That sounds horrible. Spanish Inquisition or St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre level badFLBear5630 said:ShooterTX said:FLBear5630 said:When I was in Saudi for Desert Storm, they had tents set up to discuss Islam. They were not like the violent ones we are seeing. They discussed and answered questions, but no pressure to convert or anything. Sadly, they had more answers than many of the Christians when asked questions.KaiBear said:There are a few guys who get terminally confused by Muslim *****.ShooterTX said:KaiBear said:
As predicted.
Eqyptian police officer murdered two Israeli tourists yesterday in Alexandria.
Anyone in our woke State Department who thinks billions of dollars in US aid annually given to Egypt has alterred Muslim hatred of Israel is an idiot.
There will be assaults on American Jews as well in the coming weeks.
Isael has no choice at this point but to fight an all out war on the Muslin aggressors or their people will be on constant attack throughout the world.
I don't understand how anyone is stupid enough to think that we can have peace with Muslims.
However it is primarily the case of millions of younger men and women who choose to be intellectually lazy . Passively deluding themselves that ' all people are fundamentally the same'.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Again, all you really need to know is the life of the founder of each religion.
Jesus was a peaceful man who performed miracles, fed the hungry, healed the sick, blessed his enemies... etc
Mohammed was a brutal murder who taught how to properly beat women, how to murder Jews, subjugate non-believers, marry/rape young girls, etc.
Anyone equating Christianity with Islam is either ignorant, foolish, or a liar.
You are correct. They were not pushy or rude, but make no mistake Islam seemed to be a brutal religion. No room for forgiveness and no room for non-believers/infidels.
True story, I had a vehicle since I had several detachments to work with. I would get to go to the Saudi Airbase at Dhahrarn. When there i would grab a workout in their weight room and a shower. I had to use the infidel showers, literally marked infidels. Talked to a lot of Saudi pilots, educated in England and US, be y they said they will die in the cock pit or desk. Because if they left they would take it out on their family. No room for individual thought, religious opinion or diverging from your role. And these were the open minded ones compared to the ****es to the north. I was not impressed with a life under Islam.
I have shared an office with an Algerian Moslem, very devout. When I evacuated for wild fires he took us in his house. Iranian engineers that left in 1978, were great. So, it is harsh, but it depends on the person. Islam appeals to engineers. It is very logical and the Koran answers questions better than the Bible. It is what you make of it, just like Catholicism, Protestants or even football fans
You can make it brutal or you can be reasonable.. I don't want to give an all negative view.
For me? I am not Moslem, nor look to it for answers. I shared an office with an Algerian engineer for 5 years. I went through Ramadan, not eating at my desk so as to respect his fast. Him praying twicw a day. We had many conversations, he could not understand believing on faith alone. I thought it was too methodical and like Mormonism based on one person's interpretation.Wrecks Quan Dough said:Which questions have the Quran answered for you?FLBear5630 said:ron.reagan said:That sounds horrible. Spanish Inquisition or St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre level badFLBear5630 said:ShooterTX said:FLBear5630 said:When I was in Saudi for Desert Storm, they had tents set up to discuss Islam. They were not like the violent ones we are seeing. They discussed and answered questions, but no pressure to convert or anything. Sadly, they had more answers than many of the Christians when asked questions.KaiBear said:There are a few guys who get terminally confused by Muslim *****.ShooterTX said:KaiBear said:
As predicted.
Eqyptian police officer murdered two Israeli tourists yesterday in Alexandria.
Anyone in our woke State Department who thinks billions of dollars in US aid annually given to Egypt has alterred Muslim hatred of Israel is an idiot.
There will be assaults on American Jews as well in the coming weeks.
Isael has no choice at this point but to fight an all out war on the Muslin aggressors or their people will be on constant attack throughout the world.
I don't understand how anyone is stupid enough to think that we can have peace with Muslims.
However it is primarily the case of millions of younger men and women who choose to be intellectually lazy . Passively deluding themselves that ' all people are fundamentally the same'.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Again, all you really need to know is the life of the founder of each religion.
Jesus was a peaceful man who performed miracles, fed the hungry, healed the sick, blessed his enemies... etc
Mohammed was a brutal murder who taught how to properly beat women, how to murder Jews, subjugate non-believers, marry/rape young girls, etc.
Anyone equating Christianity with Islam is either ignorant, foolish, or a liar.
You are correct. They were not pushy or rude, but make no mistake Islam seemed to be a brutal religion. No room for forgiveness and no room for non-believers/infidels.
True story, I had a vehicle since I had several detachments to work with. I would get to go to the Saudi Airbase at Dhahrarn. When there i would grab a workout in their weight room and a shower. I had to use the infidel showers, literally marked infidels. Talked to a lot of Saudi pilots, educated in England and US, be y they said they will die in the cock pit or desk. Because if they left they would take it out on their family. No room for individual thought, religious opinion or diverging from your role. And these were the open minded ones compared to the ****es to the north. I was not impressed with a life under Islam.
I have shared an office with an Algerian Moslem, very devout. When I evacuated for wild fires he took us in his house. Iranian engineers that left in 1978, were great. So, it is harsh, but it depends on the person. Islam appeals to engineers. It is very logical and the Koran answers questions better than the Bible. It is what you make of it, just like Catholicism, Protestants or even football fans
You can make it brutal or you can be reasonable.. I don't want to give an all negative view.
As for questions the Koran answers, how to eat, when to eat, when to pray, how to pray, how to treat your wife, etc... I pretty much is a how to manual. What did and does impress me, they are devout, willing to do what their religion asks, and they are charitable. My saying the Koran answer questions is a dircect quote from Moslem engineers I have known.
Breaking: Iran helped plan Hamas’s attack on Israel and gave the green light for the assault at a meeting last Monday https://t.co/7U1fUb3gXI pic.twitter.com/WIu1VBLtzd
— The Wall Street Journal (@WSJ) October 8, 2023
Right. The religion provides a high degree of structure for observance and aspects of daily life.FLBear5630 said:For me? I am not Moslem, nor look to it for answers. I shared an office with an Algerian engineer for 5 years. I went through Ramadan, not eating at my desk so as to respect his fast. Him praying twicw a day. We had many conversations, he could not understand believing on faith alone. I thought it was too methodical and like Mormonism based on one person's interpretation.Wrecks Quan Dough said:Which questions have the Quran answered for you?FLBear5630 said:ron.reagan said:That sounds horrible. Spanish Inquisition or St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre level badFLBear5630 said:ShooterTX said:FLBear5630 said:When I was in Saudi for Desert Storm, they had tents set up to discuss Islam. They were not like the violent ones we are seeing. They discussed and answered questions, but no pressure to convert or anything. Sadly, they had more answers than many of the Christians when asked questions.KaiBear said:There are a few guys who get terminally confused by Muslim *****.ShooterTX said:KaiBear said:
As predicted.
Eqyptian police officer murdered two Israeli tourists yesterday in Alexandria.
Anyone in our woke State Department who thinks billions of dollars in US aid annually given to Egypt has alterred Muslim hatred of Israel is an idiot.
There will be assaults on American Jews as well in the coming weeks.
Isael has no choice at this point but to fight an all out war on the Muslin aggressors or their people will be on constant attack throughout the world.
I don't understand how anyone is stupid enough to think that we can have peace with Muslims.
However it is primarily the case of millions of younger men and women who choose to be intellectually lazy . Passively deluding themselves that ' all people are fundamentally the same'.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Again, all you really need to know is the life of the founder of each religion.
Jesus was a peaceful man who performed miracles, fed the hungry, healed the sick, blessed his enemies... etc
Mohammed was a brutal murder who taught how to properly beat women, how to murder Jews, subjugate non-believers, marry/rape young girls, etc.
Anyone equating Christianity with Islam is either ignorant, foolish, or a liar.
You are correct. They were not pushy or rude, but make no mistake Islam seemed to be a brutal religion. No room for forgiveness and no room for non-believers/infidels.
True story, I had a vehicle since I had several detachments to work with. I would get to go to the Saudi Airbase at Dhahrarn. When there i would grab a workout in their weight room and a shower. I had to use the infidel showers, literally marked infidels. Talked to a lot of Saudi pilots, educated in England and US, be y they said they will die in the cock pit or desk. Because if they left they would take it out on their family. No room for individual thought, religious opinion or diverging from your role. And these were the open minded ones compared to the ****es to the north. I was not impressed with a life under Islam.
I have shared an office with an Algerian Moslem, very devout. When I evacuated for wild fires he took us in his house. Iranian engineers that left in 1978, were great. So, it is harsh, but it depends on the person. Islam appeals to engineers. It is very logical and the Koran answers questions better than the Bible. It is what you make of it, just like Catholicism, Protestants or even football fans
You can make it brutal or you can be reasonable.. I don't want to give an all negative view.
As for questions the Koran answers, how to eat, when to eat, when to pray, how to pray, how to treat your wife, etc... I pretty much is a how to manual. What did and does impress me, they are devout, willing to do what their religion asks, and they are charitable. My saying the Koran answer questions is a dircect quote from Moslem engineers I have known.
Wrecks Quan Dough said:Mohammad also thought he was demon possessed and thought about committing suicide as he received "revelations" in a cave at Mount Hira. Not exactly something that inspires confidence in the man or the message.ShooterTX said:FLBear5630 said:When I was in Saudi for Desert Storm, they had tents set up to discuss Islam. They were not like the violent ones we are seeing. They discussed and answered questions, but no pressure to convert or anything. Sadly, they had more answers than many of the Christians when asked questions.KaiBear said:There are a few guys who get terminally confused by Muslim *****.ShooterTX said:KaiBear said:
As predicted.
Eqyptian police officer murdered two Israeli tourists yesterday in Alexandria.
Anyone in our woke State Department who thinks billions of dollars in US aid annually given to Egypt has alterred Muslim hatred of Israel is an idiot.
There will be assaults on American Jews as well in the coming weeks.
Isael has no choice at this point but to fight an all out war on the Muslin aggressors or their people will be on constant attack throughout the world.
I don't understand how anyone is stupid enough to think that we can have peace with Muslims.
However it is primarily the case of millions of younger men and women who choose to be intellectually lazy . Passively deluding themselves that ' all people are fundamentally the same'.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Again, all you really need to know is the life of the founder of each religion.
Jesus was a peaceful man who performed miracles, fed the hungry, healed the sick, blessed his enemies... etc
Mohammed was a brutal murder who taught how to properly beat women, how to murder Jews, subjugate non-believers, marry/rape young girls, etc.
Anyone equating Christianity with Islam is either ignorant, foolish, or a liar.
You also have to entertain the idea that Muhammad never even existed at all. And if he did live…the oral stories about his life might be later developments
"Nevo and Judith Koren advanced a thesis, based on an extensive examination of archaeological evidence from Negev desert from the early Islamic period, that Muhammad may never have existed, with monotheistic Islam only coming into existence some time after he is supposed to have lived."
[Crone argues that Muhammad was a person whose existence is supported by various sources, she takes a view that Muhammad's traditional association with the Arabian Peninsula may be "doctrinally inspired", and is put in doubt by the Quran itself, which describes agricultural activity that could not have taken place there…]
[Concerning the dates of Muhammad's life, Lawrence Conrad writes that "well into the second century A.H. Islamic scholarly opinion on the birth date of the Prophet displayed a range of variance of 85 years. On the assumption that chronology is crucial to the stabilization of any tradition of historical narrative, whether transmitted orally or in writing, one can see in this state of affairs a clear indication that sra studies in the second century were still in a state of flux". Since second century A.H. scholarly opinion is the earliest scholarly opinion, and assuming the closer scholars were to the actual event the more likely their sources are to be accurate, this suggests a surprising lack of information among Islamic scholars about basic information on Muhammad.]
[Robert Hoyland suggests his historical importance may have been exaggerated by his followers, writing that "other" Arab leaders "in other locations" had preceded Muhammad in attacking the weakened Byzantine and Persian empires, but these had been "airbrushed out of history by later Muslim writers". Hoyland and other historians argue that the original Arab invaders were not all Muslims]