Netanyahu said "we are at war,"

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ATL Bear
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It was Greater Syria under the Ottoman Empire. Palestine hasn't been a country or nation for millenia, and there's little to no legal grounding for its existence at all. This was a cobbled together reach after the last caliphate empire fell and was divided post WWI. Every other partitioned region successfully became nation states; Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Turkey, Lebanon. It's when the Jewish factor of Israel was thrown into the mix that things got complicated.

The changing land partition from the 20th Century is the result of the unrulable nature of the Palestinians, and the wars initiated by Islamic nations against Israel. The Palestinians allowed themselves to be proxies against a Jewish state, driven and manipulated by foreign actors to the detriment of their opportunities to have peace. They also have been rebellious against every entity that they've been associated with. Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and Israel all have had to "put down" Palestinian uprisings, and dealt with attacks and assassinations from them. Even the split of the politics between the PA and Hamas is just an extension of this long failed movement of Islamic Palestine. There is not and never has been an Islamic vision of Palestine in conjunction with Israel, and to pretend so is foolish.

It's frankly amazing the Israelis have been able to deal with this as long as they have. Between squishy Euro nations and latent anti-Semitism, and all out rejection and fighting (literal and figurative) of nation state status of Israel from the Islamic world, they've shown incredible restraint considering. To the Islamists, there is no Palestine with Israel, and that is at the heart of the Palestinian movement.
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ATL Bear said:



It's frankly amazing the Israelis have been able to deal with this as long as they have. Between squishy Euro nations and latent anti-Semitism, and all out rejection and fighting (literal and figurative) of nation state status of Israel from the Islamic world, they've shown incredible restraint considering. To the Islamists, there is no Palestine with Israel, and that is at the heart of the Palestinian movement.


Huh?

They get somewhere between $2-$4 billion a year from U.S. taxpayers for their militarized ethno-state.

And they have nuclear weapons and a 1st world economy.

Why does it surprise you that they have been able to successfully put down local native uprisings over the past 70 years…the natives often throwing literal rocks…and at best armed with AK-47s and Iranian short range rockets.









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Redbrickbear said:

ATL Bear said:



It's frankly amazing the Israelis have been able to deal with this as long as they have. Between squishy Euro nations and latent anti-Semitism, and all out rejection and fighting (literal and figurative) of nation state status of Israel from the Islamic world, they've shown incredible restraint considering. To the Islamists, there is no Palestine with Israel, and that is at the heart of the Palestinian movement.


Huh?

They get somewhere between $2-$4 billion a year from U.S. taxpayers for their militarized ethno-state.

And they have nuclear weapons and a 1st world economy.

Why does it surprise you that they have been able to successfully put down local native uprisings over the past 70 years…the natives often throwing literal rocks…and at best armed with AK-47s and Iranian short range rockets.





Show us on the doll where the Jew hurt you.

You are so clueless. Do you know what the Jordanians did during Black September?. What do you think would happen if Israel did that in Gaza or the West Bank? What if they made them refugees in Lebanon or Syria? You guys love to show the rock throwing pictures to garner sympathy for the Palestinians, but ignore the hundreds of M-302s sailing across the sky.

I mean if the Cherokee reservation in Oklahoma was launching missiles at Tulsa, what do you think the US would do? Worry about the guilt of our grievances from the 1800's? Have a pity party about the living conditions on the res?

How would you define restraint other than being capable of great destruction without employing it in the face of attack?
FLBear5630
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KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

ShooterTX said:

Redbrickbear said:

ShooterTX said:

Redbrickbear said:

Wrecks Quan Dough said:

Redbrickbear said:

Wrecks Quan Dough said:

Redbrickbear said:

Wrecks Quan Dough said:

From the HAMAS Charter:

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."


Yea, it's a radical Islamist party (with an armed wing) that broke off from the MB (with Israeli support)

Did you expect it to say nice things?

[Hamas's charter defines historic Palestine - as Islamic land and it rules out any permanent peace with what it terms a terrorist state (Israel)

The document also repeatedly makes attacks on Jewish "power", drawing charges that the movement is anti-Semitic.

In 2017, Hamas produced a new policy document that softened some of its stated positions and used more measured language.

There was still no recognition of Israel, but it did formally accept the creation of an interim Palestinian state in Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem - what are known as pre-1967 lines.

The document also stresses that Hamas's struggle is not with Jews but with "occupying Zionist aggressors". Israel said the group was "attempting to fool the world".]



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
I think you lost track what you were ranting about.


lol no ranting.

Simply pointing out that having a negative view toward Israel as a "Zionist terrorist state" is not surprising for them or anyone else over there.

Are you shocked by this fact?

How exactly would you view Israel if you had lived under 70 years of military occupation?


I would probably move on with my life. These are the only people who cling to refugee status from generation to generation..


My brother…Israel won't let them return to their homes in Israel proper that they were driven from.

And the local Arab states won't give them citizenship, work permits, and either send them back to Gaza/West Bank or keep them in squalor in refugee camps.

Imagine if your family was driven from their Central Texas home by the Mexican army…and your options were stay in a open air prison on the Texas coast about 41km long and 12km wide….With about 2 million other poor refugees surround by concrete walls, barbed wire, and Mexican army installations.

Or flee to the USA (where they won't give you citizenship and keep you in refugee camps in poverty and misery)

Now do this for generations…

What kind of effect to you think that would have on you and your family?

Would it maybe "radicalize" you?




My God.

You are such a horrible person for saying this.

Texas was in a situation where Mexico was a brutal dictatorship.
Yet our ancestors didn't resort to raping and murdering innocent women & children.
What kind of sick ******* attempts to justify such barbaric atrocities?

You are disgusting.



What even funnier is that besides not understanding the hypothetical example I was giving you…about a Modern invasion of Texas…is I bet your Ellis island family was not even here for the Texas war of independence.

While mine were here here for all of great conflicts (war against the French & Indians, American revolution, Texian revolution, war of Secession)

Your ancestors probably didn't hit these shores until mine had already made them safe and secure.


Wow.

Your idiocy never fails.

One of my direct ancestors signed the Declaration of Independance.
On the other side of the family, one signed the Texas Declaration of Independence.

Care to try again, moron?



Naw…I doubt it.

You don't have the vibe of a Founders descendent


You are a reasonable guy.

Toss me some specifics.

Why are doing your level best to white wash these horrific rapes, murders and tortures conducted by Hamas in the middle of the night on Israel civilians ? These sick animals made a point to video the agonies of their victims and post them on social media.




I'm really not white washing them at all.

Hamas is obviously a terrorist organization.

It just pointing out the massive historic blind spot that people on this board have for Israel (that does no wrong in their eyes)

Both sides teach ethnic hatred and kill each other…yet there seems to be no acknowledgment of this plain fact.

Nor any sense of what they would do if they were living under 70 years of hostile military occupation…and living as 2nd class citizens in an open air prison in Gaza


I'm sorry my friend.

You are most certainly attempting to white wash this horrific slaughter.

These actions bear the thumb prints of ISIS.

The video beheadings will be coming shortly.

Israelis have never perpetuated such widespread rapes, tortures, and mutilations .

Never perpetuated the macabre videoing of victims to put on Facebook of their families.

So the only real question remaining in this discussion is why.

What is it in your background that motivates you to take such a bizarre angle on such horrific animalistic behavior?


The torture they are talking about is in relation to interrogations, not random off the street occurrences. It is like saying what was used at Gitmo is the same as Antifa riots. If you ended up at Gitmo, there was a reason. Not just random torture. We can argue all day whether those techniques should be allowed, but that is not the same as what Hamas did.
Jack Bauer
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"Elsewhere "...that would be Israel.

Utterly disgraceful

KaiBear
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FLBear5630 said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

ShooterTX said:

Redbrickbear said:

ShooterTX said:

Redbrickbear said:

Wrecks Quan Dough said:

Redbrickbear said:

Wrecks Quan Dough said:

Redbrickbear said:

Wrecks Quan Dough said:

From the HAMAS Charter:

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."


Yea, it's a radical Islamist party (with an armed wing) that broke off from the MB (with Israeli support)

Did you expect it to say nice things?

[Hamas's charter defines historic Palestine - as Islamic land and it rules out any permanent peace with what it terms a terrorist state (Israel)

The document also repeatedly makes attacks on Jewish "power", drawing charges that the movement is anti-Semitic.

In 2017, Hamas produced a new policy document that softened some of its stated positions and used more measured language.

There was still no recognition of Israel, but it did formally accept the creation of an interim Palestinian state in Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem - what are known as pre-1967 lines.

The document also stresses that Hamas's struggle is not with Jews but with "occupying Zionist aggressors". Israel said the group was "attempting to fool the world".]



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
I think you lost track what you were ranting about.


lol no ranting.

Simply pointing out that having a negative view toward Israel as a "Zionist terrorist state" is not surprising for them or anyone else over there.

Are you shocked by this fact?

How exactly would you view Israel if you had lived under 70 years of military occupation?


I would probably move on with my life. These are the only people who cling to refugee status from generation to generation..


My brother…Israel won't let them return to their homes in Israel proper that they were driven from.

And the local Arab states won't give them citizenship, work permits, and either send them back to Gaza/West Bank or keep them in squalor in refugee camps.

Imagine if your family was driven from their Central Texas home by the Mexican army…and your options were stay in a open air prison on the Texas coast about 41km long and 12km wide….With about 2 million other poor refugees surround by concrete walls, barbed wire, and Mexican army installations.

Or flee to the USA (where they won't give you citizenship and keep you in refugee camps in poverty and misery)

Now do this for generations…

What kind of effect to you think that would have on you and your family?

Would it maybe "radicalize" you?




My God.

You are such a horrible person for saying this.

Texas was in a situation where Mexico was a brutal dictatorship.
Yet our ancestors didn't resort to raping and murdering innocent women & children.
What kind of sick ******* attempts to justify such barbaric atrocities?

You are disgusting.



What even funnier is that besides not understanding the hypothetical example I was giving you…about a Modern invasion of Texas…is I bet your Ellis island family was not even here for the Texas war of independence.

While mine were here here for all of great conflicts (war against the French & Indians, American revolution, Texian revolution, war of Secession)

Your ancestors probably didn't hit these shores until mine had already made them safe and secure.


Wow.

Your idiocy never fails.

One of my direct ancestors signed the Declaration of Independance.
On the other side of the family, one signed the Texas Declaration of Independence.

Care to try again, moron?



Naw…I doubt it.

You don't have the vibe of a Founders descendent


You are a reasonable guy.

Toss me some specifics.

Why are doing your level best to white wash these horrific rapes, murders and tortures conducted by Hamas in the middle of the night on Israel civilians ? These sick animals made a point to video the agonies of their victims and post them on social media.




I'm really not white washing them at all.

Hamas is obviously a terrorist organization.

It just pointing out the massive historic blind spot that people on this board have for Israel (that does no wrong in their eyes)

Both sides teach ethnic hatred and kill each other…yet there seems to be no acknowledgment of this plain fact.

Nor any sense of what they would do if they were living under 70 years of hostile military occupation…and living as 2nd class citizens in an open air prison in Gaza


I'm sorry my friend.

You are most certainly attempting to white wash this horrific slaughter.

These actions bear the thumb prints of ISIS.

The video beheadings will be coming shortly.

Israelis have never perpetuated such widespread rapes, tortures, and mutilations .

Never perpetuated the macabre videoing of victims to put on Facebook of their families.

So the only real question remaining in this discussion is why.

What is it in your background that motivates you to take such a bizarre angle on such horrific animalistic behavior?


The torture they are talking about is in relation to interrogations, not random off the street occurrences. It is like saying what was used at Gitmo is the same as Antifa riots. If you ended up at Gitmo, there was a reason. Not just random torture. We can argue all day whether those techniques should be allowed, but that is not the same as what Hamas did.
Hamas terrorists in many cases did torture their victims. The testimony of survivors and their own videos confirm this.

Hamas needs to be eradicated now.

Should have been done long ago.

Hope this moronic Biden administration doesn't tie the hands of the Israeli military once again.
FLBear5630
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KaiBear said:

FLBear5630 said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

ShooterTX said:

Redbrickbear said:

ShooterTX said:

Redbrickbear said:

Wrecks Quan Dough said:

Redbrickbear said:

Wrecks Quan Dough said:

Redbrickbear said:

Wrecks Quan Dough said:

From the HAMAS Charter:

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."


Yea, it's a radical Islamist party (with an armed wing) that broke off from the MB (with Israeli support)

Did you expect it to say nice things?

[Hamas's charter defines historic Palestine - as Islamic land and it rules out any permanent peace with what it terms a terrorist state (Israel)

The document also repeatedly makes attacks on Jewish "power", drawing charges that the movement is anti-Semitic.

In 2017, Hamas produced a new policy document that softened some of its stated positions and used more measured language.

There was still no recognition of Israel, but it did formally accept the creation of an interim Palestinian state in Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem - what are known as pre-1967 lines.

The document also stresses that Hamas's struggle is not with Jews but with "occupying Zionist aggressors". Israel said the group was "attempting to fool the world".]



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
I think you lost track what you were ranting about.


lol no ranting.

Simply pointing out that having a negative view toward Israel as a "Zionist terrorist state" is not surprising for them or anyone else over there.

Are you shocked by this fact?

How exactly would you view Israel if you had lived under 70 years of military occupation?


I would probably move on with my life. These are the only people who cling to refugee status from generation to generation..


My brother…Israel won't let them return to their homes in Israel proper that they were driven from.

And the local Arab states won't give them citizenship, work permits, and either send them back to Gaza/West Bank or keep them in squalor in refugee camps.

Imagine if your family was driven from their Central Texas home by the Mexican army…and your options were stay in a open air prison on the Texas coast about 41km long and 12km wide….With about 2 million other poor refugees surround by concrete walls, barbed wire, and Mexican army installations.

Or flee to the USA (where they won't give you citizenship and keep you in refugee camps in poverty and misery)

Now do this for generations…

What kind of effect to you think that would have on you and your family?

Would it maybe "radicalize" you?




My God.

You are such a horrible person for saying this.

Texas was in a situation where Mexico was a brutal dictatorship.
Yet our ancestors didn't resort to raping and murdering innocent women & children.
What kind of sick ******* attempts to justify such barbaric atrocities?

You are disgusting.



What even funnier is that besides not understanding the hypothetical example I was giving you…about a Modern invasion of Texas…is I bet your Ellis island family was not even here for the Texas war of independence.

While mine were here here for all of great conflicts (war against the French & Indians, American revolution, Texian revolution, war of Secession)

Your ancestors probably didn't hit these shores until mine had already made them safe and secure.


Wow.

Your idiocy never fails.

One of my direct ancestors signed the Declaration of Independance.
On the other side of the family, one signed the Texas Declaration of Independence.

Care to try again, moron?



Naw…I doubt it.

You don't have the vibe of a Founders descendent


You are a reasonable guy.

Toss me some specifics.

Why are doing your level best to white wash these horrific rapes, murders and tortures conducted by Hamas in the middle of the night on Israel civilians ? These sick animals made a point to video the agonies of their victims and post them on social media.




I'm really not white washing them at all.

Hamas is obviously a terrorist organization.

It just pointing out the massive historic blind spot that people on this board have for Israel (that does no wrong in their eyes)

Both sides teach ethnic hatred and kill each other…yet there seems to be no acknowledgment of this plain fact.

Nor any sense of what they would do if they were living under 70 years of hostile military occupation…and living as 2nd class citizens in an open air prison in Gaza


I'm sorry my friend.

You are most certainly attempting to white wash this horrific slaughter.

These actions bear the thumb prints of ISIS.

The video beheadings will be coming shortly.

Israelis have never perpetuated such widespread rapes, tortures, and mutilations .

Never perpetuated the macabre videoing of victims to put on Facebook of their families.

So the only real question remaining in this discussion is why.

What is it in your background that motivates you to take such a bizarre angle on such horrific animalistic behavior?


The torture they are talking about is in relation to interrogations, not random off the street occurrences. It is like saying what was used at Gitmo is the same as Antifa riots. If you ended up at Gitmo, there was a reason. Not just random torture. We can argue all day whether those techniques should be allowed, but that is not the same as what Hamas did.
Hamas terrorists in many cases did torture their victims. The testimony of survivors and their own videos confirm this.

Hamas needs to be eradicated now.

Should have been done long ago.

Hope this moronic Biden administration doesn't tie the hands of the Israeli military once again.
I am sorry, I was talking about the Israelis.

Hamas are animals. There doesn't seem to be an answer for them. Israel pretty much gave them Gaza in 05, not enough. Even the West Bank is 40% Palestinan rule. They could have improved both, but they prefer to fund rockets and terror fighters. Looks like they pushed Israel too far...
whiterock
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Osodecentx said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wrecks Quan Dough said:

FLBear5630 said:

KaiBear said:

Jack Bauer said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Jack Bauer said:

Hamas threatening to execute hostages which would only escalate Israel's decimation on Gaza.

Hamas has a proven track record of making incredibility dumb and evil decisions that bring the full might of the Israeli military machine down on the Palestinian population.


The spokesman for Hamas's military wing, Abu Obeida, has threatened to execute a civilian hostage every time an airstrike hits "Gazans in their homes without warning." Hamas is believed to be holding about 150 Israelis hostage.

Note the use of the word "regrettably"
"From this moment on, we announce that every targeting of our people who are safe in their houses, without prior warning, we will regrettably meet with the execution of one of the enemy's civilian hostages that we have," Abu Obaida said in a message broadcast on Al Jazeera.
Ane every execution of a civilian will be met by Israel with 50 missiles into Gaza....hows that gonna turn out ?


Hamas has been reading the ISIS play book.

Hope Israel eradicates these animals.
Didn't turn out well for ISIS. Worst things these groups can do is think they are grown up militaries. They have no idea. Being an expert on guerilla hit and run is a much different world than when they decide to get serious a break out real mech infantry and air power.
I imagine looking at the wrong end of a Merkava is not real fun.
Not sure if the Merkava's will be handy in Gaza, can control crossings and intersections, but armor in urban densities like that will be tough. If anyone knows how to use them for an advantage, it is the IDF.

I think this will give Israel to take Gaza and consolidate more into Israel. It will be in or out, but under more Israeli control.
There are 2 million people in Gaza Strip. Where do they go? None of the other Arab countries want them. You can't (shouldn't) kill all of them.
Think on that part in bold for a while. (it is an indirect way to keep the pressure on Israel....saddle Israel with a defacto refugee problem).

"Where do they go" has an easy answer: Look at the demographics of Jordan.
whiterock
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KaiBear said:

FLBear5630 said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

ShooterTX said:

Redbrickbear said:

ShooterTX said:

Redbrickbear said:

Wrecks Quan Dough said:

Redbrickbear said:

Wrecks Quan Dough said:

Redbrickbear said:

Wrecks Quan Dough said:

From the HAMAS Charter:

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."


Yea, it's a radical Islamist party (with an armed wing) that broke off from the MB (with Israeli support)

Did you expect it to say nice things?

[Hamas's charter defines historic Palestine - as Islamic land and it rules out any permanent peace with what it terms a terrorist state (Israel)

The document also repeatedly makes attacks on Jewish "power", drawing charges that the movement is anti-Semitic.

In 2017, Hamas produced a new policy document that softened some of its stated positions and used more measured language.

There was still no recognition of Israel, but it did formally accept the creation of an interim Palestinian state in Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem - what are known as pre-1967 lines.

The document also stresses that Hamas's struggle is not with Jews but with "occupying Zionist aggressors". Israel said the group was "attempting to fool the world".]



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
I think you lost track what you were ranting about.


lol no ranting.

Simply pointing out that having a negative view toward Israel as a "Zionist terrorist state" is not surprising for them or anyone else over there.

Are you shocked by this fact?

How exactly would you view Israel if you had lived under 70 years of military occupation?


I would probably move on with my life. These are the only people who cling to refugee status from generation to generation..


My brother…Israel won't let them return to their homes in Israel proper that they were driven from.

And the local Arab states won't give them citizenship, work permits, and either send them back to Gaza/West Bank or keep them in squalor in refugee camps.

Imagine if your family was driven from their Central Texas home by the Mexican army…and your options were stay in a open air prison on the Texas coast about 41km long and 12km wide….With about 2 million other poor refugees surround by concrete walls, barbed wire, and Mexican army installations.

Or flee to the USA (where they won't give you citizenship and keep you in refugee camps in poverty and misery)

Now do this for generations…

What kind of effect to you think that would have on you and your family?

Would it maybe "radicalize" you?




My God.

You are such a horrible person for saying this.

Texas was in a situation where Mexico was a brutal dictatorship.
Yet our ancestors didn't resort to raping and murdering innocent women & children.
What kind of sick ******* attempts to justify such barbaric atrocities?

You are disgusting.



What even funnier is that besides not understanding the hypothetical example I was giving you…about a Modern invasion of Texas…is I bet your Ellis island family was not even here for the Texas war of independence.

While mine were here here for all of great conflicts (war against the French & Indians, American revolution, Texian revolution, war of Secession)

Your ancestors probably didn't hit these shores until mine had already made them safe and secure.


Wow.

Your idiocy never fails.

One of my direct ancestors signed the Declaration of Independance.
On the other side of the family, one signed the Texas Declaration of Independence.

Care to try again, moron?



Naw…I doubt it.

You don't have the vibe of a Founders descendent


You are a reasonable guy.

Toss me some specifics.

Why are doing your level best to white wash these horrific rapes, murders and tortures conducted by Hamas in the middle of the night on Israel civilians ? These sick animals made a point to video the agonies of their victims and post them on social media.




I'm really not white washing them at all.

Hamas is obviously a terrorist organization.

It just pointing out the massive historic blind spot that people on this board have for Israel (that does no wrong in their eyes)

Both sides teach ethnic hatred and kill each other…yet there seems to be no acknowledgment of this plain fact.

Nor any sense of what they would do if they were living under 70 years of hostile military occupation…and living as 2nd class citizens in an open air prison in Gaza


I'm sorry my friend.

You are most certainly attempting to white wash this horrific slaughter.

These actions bear the thumb prints of ISIS.

The video beheadings will be coming shortly.

Israelis have never perpetuated such widespread rapes, tortures, and mutilations .

Never perpetuated the macabre videoing of victims to put on Facebook of their families.

So the only real question remaining in this discussion is why.

What is it in your background that motivates you to take such a bizarre angle on such horrific animalistic behavior?


The torture they are talking about is in relation to interrogations, not random off the street occurrences. It is like saying what was used at Gitmo is the same as Antifa riots. If you ended up at Gitmo, there was a reason. Not just random torture. We can argue all day whether those techniques should be allowed, but that is not the same as what Hamas did.
Hamas terrorists in many cases did torture their victims. The testimony of survivors and their own videos confirm this.

Hamas needs to be eradicated now.

Should have been done long ago.

Hope this moronic Biden administration doesn't tie the hands of the Israeli military once again.
This is 100% a product of Democrat (Obama-Biden admins) engagement with a hostile actor (Iran) not interested in engagement.

Both admins have pursued sweetheart deals with Iran to normalize relations. Problem is, Iran is not interested in normalized relations with the Great Satan. Iran is at war with us....wants to destroy us, our allies, our interests in the region, etc.....and has burned cordite toward that end consistently over decades. No change. No olive branches. It's easy to miss that Iran is at war with us, because Iran is so weak, at best an asymmetrical threat to anything other harass than allies. But they are still a threat and, if done in alliance with others, can easily accomplish positive outcomes.

Democrats have abandoned the Saudis and isolated Israel in order to pursue peace with a state which has no intention of being at peace with us. They have provided super-tankers of cash and incentives to get Iran to settle down. And here we are.

So predictable.
Weakness invites attack.
And we cannot be blind to global contexts.
Iran is trying to lure us in to a regional conflict, to help give Russia breathing room.
We can only hope Dems will refuse the bait. (and I think they will.)
BluesBear
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They didn't get the WW they wanted with Ukraine so let's setup some false activities in Israel to start it. It's already been proven that some of the videos used by Media were from building collapses years ago. With the population density that exist in that area - more people should be dead as a result of the # of rockets supposedly been sent...

Another pipeline explosion...Hmm....
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whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wrecks Quan Dough said:

FLBear5630 said:

KaiBear said:

Jack Bauer said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Jack Bauer said:

Hamas threatening to execute hostages which would only escalate Israel's decimation on Gaza.

Hamas has a proven track record of making incredibility dumb and evil decisions that bring the full might of the Israeli military machine down on the Palestinian population.


The spokesman for Hamas's military wing, Abu Obeida, has threatened to execute a civilian hostage every time an airstrike hits "Gazans in their homes without warning." Hamas is believed to be holding about 150 Israelis hostage.

Note the use of the word "regrettably"
"From this moment on, we announce that every targeting of our people who are safe in their houses, without prior warning, we will regrettably meet with the execution of one of the enemy's civilian hostages that we have," Abu Obaida said in a message broadcast on Al Jazeera.
Ane every execution of a civilian will be met by Israel with 50 missiles into Gaza....hows that gonna turn out ?


Hamas has been reading the ISIS play book.

Hope Israel eradicates these animals.
Didn't turn out well for ISIS. Worst things these groups can do is think they are grown up militaries. They have no idea. Being an expert on guerilla hit and run is a much different world than when they decide to get serious a break out real mech infantry and air power.
I imagine looking at the wrong end of a Merkava is not real fun.
Not sure if the Merkava's will be handy in Gaza, can control crossings and intersections, but armor in urban densities like that will be tough. If anyone knows how to use them for an advantage, it is the IDF.

I think this will give Israel to take Gaza and consolidate more into Israel. It will be in or out, but under more Israeli control.
There are 2 million people in Gaza Strip. Where do they go? None of the other Arab countries want them. You can't (shouldn't) kill all of them.
Think on that part in bold for a while. (it is an indirect way to keep the pressure on Israel....saddle Israel with a defacto refugee problem).

"Where do they go" has an easy answer: Look at the demographics of Jordan.


Why would Jordan take them? Wouldn't that give Hamas a bigger base from which to attack?
Bear8084
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BluesBear said:

They didn't get the WW they wanted with Ukraine so let's setup some false activities in Israel to start it. It's already been proven that some of the videos used by Media were from building collapses years ago. With the population density that exist in that area - more people should be dead as a result of the # of rockets supposedly been sent...

Another pipeline explosion...Hmm....


Take the tinfoil hat off.
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From the HAMAS Charter:

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."


Yea, it's a radical Islamist party (with an armed wing) that broke off from the MB (with Israeli support)

Did you expect it to say nice things?

[Hamas's charter defines historic Palestine - as Islamic land and it rules out any permanent peace with what it terms a terrorist state (Israel)

The document also repeatedly makes attacks on Jewish "power", drawing charges that the movement is anti-Semitic.

In 2017, Hamas produced a new policy document that softened some of its stated positions and used more measured language.

There was still no recognition of Israel, but it did formally accept the creation of an interim Palestinian state in Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem - what are known as pre-1967 lines.

The document also stresses that Hamas's struggle is not with Jews but with "occupying Zionist aggressors". Israel said the group was "attempting to fool the world".]



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
I think you lost track what you were ranting about.


lol no ranting.

Simply pointing out that having a negative view toward Israel as a "Zionist terrorist state" is not surprising for them or anyone else over there.

Are you shocked by this fact?

How exactly would you view Israel if you had lived under 70 years of military occupation?


I would probably move on with my life. These are the only people who cling to refugee status from generation to generation..


My brother…Israel won't let them return to their homes in Israel proper that they were driven from.

And the local Arab states won't give them citizenship, work permits, and either send them back to Gaza/West Bank or keep them in squalor in refugee camps.

Imagine if your family was driven from their Central Texas home by the Mexican army…and your options were stay in a open air prison on the Texas coast about 41km long and 12km wide….With about 2 million other poor refugees surround by concrete walls, barbed wire, and Mexican army installations.

Or flee to the USA (where they won't give you citizenship and keep you in refugee camps in poverty and misery)

Now do this for generations…

What kind of effect to you think that would have on you and your family?

Would it maybe "radicalize" you?




My God.

You are such a horrible person for saying this.

Texas was in a situation where Mexico was a brutal dictatorship.
Yet our ancestors didn't resort to raping and murdering innocent women & children.
What kind of sick ******* attempts to justify such barbaric atrocities?

You are disgusting.



What even funnier is that besides not understanding the hypothetical example I was giving you…about a Modern invasion of Texas…is I bet your Ellis island family was not even here for the Texas war of independence.

While mine were here here for all of great conflicts (war against the French & Indians, American revolution, Texian revolution, war of Secession)

Your ancestors probably didn't hit these shores until mine had already made them safe and secure.


Wow.

Your idiocy never fails.

One of my direct ancestors signed the Declaration of Independance.
On the other side of the family, one signed the Texas Declaration of Independence.

Care to try again, moron?



Naw…I doubt it.

You don't have the vibe of a Founders descendent


You are a reasonable guy.

Toss me some specifics.

Why are doing your level best to white wash these horrific rapes, murders and tortures conducted by Hamas in the middle of the night on Israel civilians ? These sick animals made a point to video the agonies of their victims and post them on social media.




I'm really not white washing them at all.

Hamas is obviously a terrorist organization.

It just pointing out the massive historic blind spot that people on this board have for Israel (that does no wrong in their eyes)

Both sides teach ethnic hatred and kill each other…yet there seems to be no acknowledgment of this plain fact.

Nor any sense of what they would do if they were living under 70 years of hostile military occupation…and living as 2nd class citizens in an open air prison in Gaza


I'm sorry my friend.

You are most certainly attempting to white wash this horrific slaughter.

These actions bear the thumb prints of ISIS.

The video beheadings will be coming shortly.

Israelis have never perpetuated such widespread rapes, tortures, and mutilations .

Never perpetuated the macabre videoing of victims to put on Facebook of their families.

So the only real question remaining in this discussion is why.

What is it in your background that motivates you to take such a bizarre angle on such horrific animalistic behavior?
It appears they also show the thumbprints of Wagner, who helped Iran train and arm Hamas with some strategy and weapons, all over it as well.

https://www.ft.com/content/86dd7061-e54d-48a4-a06a-347b1732bcb9

Mr. Treehorn treats objects like women, man.
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F'ing Savages...

Mr. Treehorn treats objects like women, man.
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F'ing Savages...


Remember that Redbrick and others actually believe that these atrocities are justified because.... the Jews

Muslims are just evil. This is what their dear leader Mohammad did, and he bragged about it. He was a butcher, a pedophile, and a war monger... according to his own words. Every muslim will tell you that Mohammad is their example. If they truly believe that, then it is logical for them to eventually follow in his footsteps and become an animalistic savage as well. The peaceful muslims are the ones who are ignorant of the teachings of Islam. If they ever truly study the Koran, they will either leave the religion or become evil themselves.
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How do you negotiate with a group that wants to destroy you?

The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement was issued on August 18, 1988. The Islamic Resistance Movement, also known as the HAMAS,is an extremist fundamentalist Islamic organization operating in the
territories under Israeli control. Its Covenant is a comprehensive manifesto comprised of 36 separate articles, all of which promote the basic HAMAS goal of destroying the State of Israel through Jihad (Islamic Holy War). The following are excerpts of the HAMAS Covenant:

On the Destruction of Israel:
'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble)

https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm
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Over 30% of marriages in Gaza are between 1st cousins.

The average IQ is 67.9

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How do you negotiate with a group that wants to destroy you?

The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement was issued on August 18, 1988. The Islamic Resistance Movement, also known as the HAMAS,is an extremist fundamentalist Islamic organization operating in the
territories under Israeli control. Its Covenant is a comprehensive manifesto comprised of 36 separate articles, all of which promote the basic HAMAS goal of destroying the State of Israel through Jihad (Islamic Holy War). The following are excerpts of the HAMAS Covenant:

On the Destruction of Israel:
'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble)

https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm

So there is no peaceful resolution. How does this play out if there can be no compromise that allows Israel to exist? In 2005 the basically gave Gaze to the Palestinians. 40% of the West Bank is run by Palestinians.

Even if a 2 State solution was agreed upon, would they accept it? Neither would it appears
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The Palestinian tiger turned on supporters

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/10/world/middleeast/peace-activists-killed-israel.html

Peace Activists Are Among the Israelis Missing and Killed
Some of those caught up in the attack by Palestinian fighters lived in residential collectives whose members tend to support peace initiatives and Palestinian rights.
On the Israeli side of the Gaza border lie a number of residential collectives whose members tend to be left of center and supportive of peace initiatives and Palestinian rights. Many of those residents were among the missing or dead after Hamas's assault on Saturday.

Vivian Silver, 74, a member of Kibbutz Be'eri, near the northern end of Gaza, was still missing on Monday night and presumed to have been taken hostage. Ms. Silver, a native of Winnipeg, Manitoba, was among the leaders of Women Wage Peace,a large grass-roots movement founded in the aftermath of the Gaza War of 2014 to promote a political resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
She served for many years on the board of directors of B'Tselem, an Israeli human rights organization that said Israel was an apartheid state. She made visits to the occupied territories to express solidarity with Palestinians and volunteered with an organization that drove sick Palestinians from Gaza into Israel for medical treatment. She is the executive director of the Negev Institute for Strategies of Peace and Development and co-founded the Arab Jewish Center for Equality Empowerment and Cooperation.
Rachel Gur, an Israeli involved in the search for the missing, said that many of the residents of the collectives near Gaza had similar politics. "These are kibbutzniks, the people who vote for the left, who support coexistence," she said. "You're talking about the old time secular leftists, who want peace, who are against annexation."
Bilha and Yakovi Inon, who were peace activists and the parents of a prominent activist, Maoz Inon, were also killed on Saturday. The couple were killed in their farming collective, of Netiv Ha'Asara, which lies just north of Gaza.

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FLBear5630 said:

Osodecentx said:

How do you negotiate with a group that wants to destroy you?

The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement was issued on August 18, 1988. The Islamic Resistance Movement, also known as the HAMAS,is an extremist fundamentalist Islamic organization operating in the
territories under Israeli control. Its Covenant is a comprehensive manifesto comprised of 36 separate articles, all of which promote the basic HAMAS goal of destroying the State of Israel through Jihad (Islamic Holy War). The following are excerpts of the HAMAS Covenant:

On the Destruction of Israel:
'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble)

https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm

So there is no peaceful resolution. How does this play out if there can be no compromise that allows Israel to exist? In 2005 the basically gave Gaze to the Palestinians. 40% of the West Bank is run by Palestinians.

Even if a 2 State solution was agreed upon, would they accept it? Neither would it appears
Tough situation. Palestine apparently is saying "one of us dies". Now Israel agrees
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Osodecentx said:

FLBear5630 said:

Osodecentx said:

How do you negotiate with a group that wants to destroy you?

The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement was issued on August 18, 1988. The Islamic Resistance Movement, also known as the HAMAS,is an extremist fundamentalist Islamic organization operating in the
territories under Israeli control. Its Covenant is a comprehensive manifesto comprised of 36 separate articles, all of which promote the basic HAMAS goal of destroying the State of Israel through Jihad (Islamic Holy War). The following are excerpts of the HAMAS Covenant:

On the Destruction of Israel:
'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble)

https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm

So there is no peaceful resolution. How does this play out if there can be no compromise that allows Israel to exist? In 2005 the basically gave Gaze to the Palestinians. 40% of the West Bank is run by Palestinians.

Even if a 2 State solution was agreed upon, would they accept it? Neither would it appears
Tough situation. Palestine apparently is saying "one of us dies". Now Israel agrees
Not a smart move by Palestine. Israel can come out his with more territory.
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The amount of pro Hamas statements and cheering for these attacks by leftoids in the west is insane.

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FLBear5630 said:

Osodecentx said:

FLBear5630 said:

Osodecentx said:

How do you negotiate with a group that wants to destroy you?

The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement was issued on August 18, 1988. The Islamic Resistance Movement, also known as the HAMAS,is an extremist fundamentalist Islamic organization operating in the
territories under Israeli control. Its Covenant is a comprehensive manifesto comprised of 36 separate articles, all of which promote the basic HAMAS goal of destroying the State of Israel through Jihad (Islamic Holy War). The following are excerpts of the HAMAS Covenant:

On the Destruction of Israel:
'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble)

https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm

So there is no peaceful resolution. How does this play out if there can be no compromise that allows Israel to exist? In 2005 the basically gave Gaze to the Palestinians. 40% of the West Bank is run by Palestinians.

Even if a 2 State solution was agreed upon, would they accept it? Neither would it appears
Tough situation. Palestine apparently is saying "one of us dies". Now Israel agrees
Not a smart move by Palestine. Israel can come out his with more territory.
The Israelis should take more territory and what is left turn into a parking lot. The Palestinians chose HAMAS and will need to live (or more likely die) with their decision. No negotiation. No peace until every last HAMAS cockroach is exterminated.
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Osodecentx said:

The Palestinian tiger turned on supporters

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/10/world/middleeast/peace-activists-killed-israel.html

Peace Activists Are Among the Israelis Missing and Killed
Some of those caught up in the attack by Palestinian fighters lived in residential collectives whose members tend to support peace initiatives and Palestinian rights.
On the Israeli side of the Gaza border lie a number of residential collectives whose members tend to be left of center and supportive of peace initiatives and Palestinian rights. Many of those residents were among the missing or dead after Hamas's assault on Saturday.

Vivian Silver, 74, a member of Kibbutz Be'eri, near the northern end of Gaza, was still missing on Monday night and presumed to have been taken hostage. Ms. Silver, a native of Winnipeg, Manitoba, was among the leaders of Women Wage Peace,a large grass-roots movement founded in the aftermath of the Gaza War of 2014 to promote a political resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
She served for many years on the board of directors of B'Tselem, an Israeli human rights organization that said Israel was an apartheid state. She made visits to the occupied territories to express solidarity with Palestinians and volunteered with an organization that drove sick Palestinians from Gaza into Israel for medical treatment. She is the executive director of the Negev Institute for Strategies of Peace and Development and co-founded the Arab Jewish Center for Equality Empowerment and Cooperation.
Rachel Gur, an Israeli involved in the search for the missing, said that many of the residents of the collectives near Gaza had similar politics. "These are kibbutzniks, the people who vote for the left, who support coexistence," she said. "You're talking about the old time secular leftists, who want peace, who are against annexation."
Bilha and Yakovi Inon, who were peace activists and the parents of a prominent activist, Maoz Inon, were also killed on Saturday. The couple were killed in their farming collective, of Netiv Ha'Asara, which lies just north of Gaza.


This is just far too close to the truth.



Anyone stupid enough to trust & support Hamas, probably deserves this fate. Hamas is evil... always has been and always will be.
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I believe TDS is so bad that this is seriously the trajectory we're headed for:

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I believe TDS is so bad that this is seriously the trajectory we're headed for:


Should Joe Biden and his circle of lame brains cancel the 2024 election, the Second Civil War will commence. Will be interesting to see which side our military takes.

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Doc Holliday said:

I believe TDS is so bad that this is seriously the trajectory we're headed for:


Should Joe Biden and his circle of lame brains cancel the 2024 election, the Second Civil War will commence. Will be interesting to see which side our military takes.

Live Free or Die
I don't think that would happen because the average American male is a weak man-child. It's a major reason why our country is in its current state.
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Doc Holliday said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Doc Holliday said:

I believe TDS is so bad that this is seriously the trajectory we're headed for:


Should Joe Biden and his circle of lame brains cancel the 2024 election, the Second Civil War will commence. Will be interesting to see which side our military takes.

Live Free or Die
I don't think that would happen because the average American male is a weak man-child. It's a major reason why our country is in its current state.
There is no Civil War coming. Those generations don't care. A civil war of 40 or 50 year olds would look like Jan 6th over in a day.
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Doc Holliday said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Doc Holliday said:

I believe TDS is so bad that this is seriously the trajectory we're headed for:


Should Joe Biden and his circle of lame brains cancel the 2024 election, the Second Civil War will commence. Will be interesting to see which side our military takes.

Live Free or Die
I don't think that would happen because the average American male is a weak man-child. It's a major reason why our country is in its current state.
You keep forgetting that the Left doesn't believe in guns. It will be the shortest takeover in modern history.

POWs won't be hurt or tortured. They will get something far worse. They will be required to relocate in California, Illinois, or New York.
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FLBear5630 said:

Doc Holliday said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Doc Holliday said:

I believe TDS is so bad that this is seriously the trajectory we're headed for:


Should Joe Biden and his circle of lame brains cancel the 2024 election, the Second Civil War will commence. Will be interesting to see which side our military takes.

Live Free or Die
I don't think that would happen because the average American male is a weak man-child. It's a major reason why our country is in its current state.
There is no Civil War coming. Those generations don't care. A civil war of 40 or 50 year olds would look like Jan 6th over in a day.

Yep,

Civil Wars are for the young.

"Countries such as Afghanistan, Central African Republic, Ethiopia, Libya, Mali, Somalia, South Sudan, and Syria are all currently experiencing civil wars"

Look up the fertility rates and the average age of these countries....what you find is they are still having a lot of kids and they have a lot of expendable young men around that can be thrown into the fight.

When the USA had its own so-called Civil War....the fertility rate was 6.0 and the something like half the population of the country was under the age of 19.

USA 1860: 35.8% of the population between age 5-19, Only 13% of the country was over age 45

https://www.infoplease.com/us/population/population-distribution-age-race-and-nativity-1860-2010
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ShooterTX said:

trey3216 said:

F'ing Savages...


Remember that Redbrick and others actually believe that these atrocities are justified because.... the Jews

Muslims are just evil. This is what their dear leader Mohammad did, and he bragged about it. He was a butcher, a pedophile, and a war monger... according to his own words. Every muslim will tell you that Mohammad is their example. If they truly believe that, then it is logical for them to eventually follow in his footsteps and become an animalistic savage as well. The peaceful muslims are the ones who are ignorant of the teachings of Islam. If they ever truly study the Koran, they will either leave the religion or become evil themselves.

You are basically an Iranian Cleric. Thinking that Christians haven't spent the last 2 thousand years doing the same stupid **** is mind blowing. Sooner religion can be wiped off the planet and replaced with critical thinking the better.
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Redbrickbear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Doc Holliday said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Doc Holliday said:

I believe TDS is so bad that this is seriously the trajectory we're headed for:


Should Joe Biden and his circle of lame brains cancel the 2024 election, the Second Civil War will commence. Will be interesting to see which side our military takes.

Live Free or Die
I don't think that would happen because the average American male is a weak man-child. It's a major reason why our country is in its current state.
There is no Civil War coming. Those generations don't care. A civil war of 40 or 50 year olds would look like Jan 6th over in a day.

Yep,

Civil Wars are for the young.

"Countries such as Afghanistan, Central African Republic, Ethiopia, Libya, Mali, Somalia, South Sudan, and Syria are all currently experiencing civil wars"

Look up the fertility rates and the average age of these countries....what you find is they are still having a lot of kids and they have a lot of expendable young men around that can be thrown into the fight.

When the USA had its own so-called Civil War....the fertility rate was 6.0 and the something like half the population of the country was under the age of 19.

USA 1860: 35.8% of the population between age 5-19, Only 13% of the country was over age 45

https://www.infoplease.com/us/population/population-distribution-age-race-and-nativity-1860-2010
Takes stamina to fight. No matter how in shape we are, over 40 don't have it! Our young only care about comfort and cashing out as soon as possible. The big goal is to get enough money where they don't have to work again. Most could care less if it came from China, Russia or the US. They want play, that is the goal.

Nevermind adding anything to society. They think society owes them. That the US is horrible and tough. Go to Israel, that is tough.
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Doc Holliday said:

Over 30% of marriages in Gaza are between 1st cousins.

The average IQ is 67.9



Come on....its not Sub-Saharan Africa.

No way that IQ rate is accurate


This list below says its around 78


https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-iq-by-country

60 something IQ would be like Somalia or Gabon

50 something IQ would be like Ivory Coast or Ghana

Says Israel is around 93
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