Sweden 🇸🇪 pic.twitter.com/FJDCISdYzl

— Clown World ™ 🤡 (@ClownWorld_) October 14, 2023

Realitybites said:

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Does a Jew (Orthodox, Reform, or Conservative) who dies in 2023 go to heaven or hell?

No argument about Matthew 24, it describes the second coming not pre or mid tribulation rapture.

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Do all who call themself a Christian (Protestant, Catholic, Reformed, Orthodox) who die in 2023 go to heaven or hell?

Paul goes into this quite a bit in Romans 11.

Here is just one small part, but the whole chapter is critical as well

25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:
"The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins."[g]
28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God's mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.



I also do not believe in a pre or mid trib rapture, I think it will happen at the end of the 70th Week of Daniel. But I would be happy to be wrong about that one if it were to come sooner.

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Sweden 🇸🇪 pic.twitter.com/FJDCISdYzl

— Clown World ™ 🤡 (@ClownWorld_) October 14, 2023

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There used to be a rule of thumb, I don't remember the exact percentages, but it was something like, if you have <1% Muslim population, they are very peaceful. When they get above that, they start to get more and more demonstrative. Once you get to X%, it is too late. You are done. A lot of Europe is in a bad bad place now. We saw the riots in France just a few weeks ago. I haven't checked in on them lately, going to see what I can find.

Realitybites said:

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Absolutely. Sinking two carriers out there is not what we need right now.

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Actually I understand the need for the 2nd carrier group.

Dramatically increases the capability for offensive action while mainting enough CAP.


Just wonder if Iran is going to wait for the 2nd carrier group to join up.

At best we are headed to a Christian vs Muslim holy war at some point. That's wildly problematic because Muslims are much more devout in their beliefs (on the whole).

nein51 said:

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At best we are headed to a Christian vs Muslim holy war at some point. That's wildly problematic because Muslims are much more devout in their beliefs (on the whole).

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Have you seen our new US Trans Military? They are pretty devout themselves. I mean, you have to be really committed to cut of your ****. But I concede to your point. Advantage: Islam

boognish_bear said:

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Iran sent a message to Israel on Saturday stressing that it does not want further escalation in the Hamas-Israel war, but that it will have to intervene if the Israeli operation in Gaza continues, two diplomatic sources with knowledge of the situation.https://t.co/Dpfw69Xkom

— Axios (@axios) October 14, 2023

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Translation:
"We overreached on this and we are making noise to feign support for our puppets, and we really don't want you to do what it looks like you are going to do. Now stop it, or we will taunt you a second time."

BearN said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Sweden 🇸🇪 pic.twitter.com/FJDCISdYzl

— Clown World ™ 🤡 (@ClownWorld_) October 14, 2023

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There used to be a rule of thumb, I don't remember the exact percentages, but it was something like, if you have <1% Muslim population, they are very peaceful. When they get above that, they start to get more and more demonstrative. Once you get to X%, it is too late. You are done. A lot of Europe is in a bad bad place now. We saw the riots in France just a few weeks ago. I haven't checked in on them lately, going to see what I can find.

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Just like Aggies

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Sweden 🇸🇪 pic.twitter.com/FJDCISdYzl

— Clown World ™ 🤡 (@ClownWorld_) October 14, 2023

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There used to be a rule of thumb, I don't remember the exact percentages, but it was something like, if you have <1% Muslim population, they are very peaceful. When they get above that, they start to get more and more demonstrative. Once you get to X%, it is too late. You are done. A lot of Europe is in a bad bad place now. We saw the riots in France just a few weeks ago. I haven't checked in on them lately, going to see what I can find.

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Just like Aggies

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Lol, I was thinking the EXACT same thing, but didn't add it because I didn't want to distract from the point. It must be a cult thing.

I found this on protests in France, since they had riots just a few weeks ago

BREAKING: France has banned pro-Palestinian protests.

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) October 12, 2023

France gas gas demonstrations thus week too. I don't know if they were riots but the government clearly is concerned.

Meanwhile 100 year old Henry Kissinger has commented on his foolish it was for any country to bring in large numbers of immigrants with a different culture. Most of Europe has done that & their leaders are too stupid or woke (same thing) to realize it was a mistake. Biden is trying to do that now here in the U.S. with the open border.

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France gas gas demonstrations thus week too. I don't know if they were riots but the government clearly is concerned.

Meanwhile 100 year old Henry Kissinger has commented on his foolish it was for any country to bring in large numbers of immigrants with a different culture. Most of Europe has done that & their leaders are too stupid or woke (same thing) to realize it was a mistake. Biden is trying to do that now here in the U.S. with the open border.

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All these white people bitvhing about Western Civilization sure will miss it...

Watch the moment attendees of today’s Palestine London rally spot a person carrying an Israeli flag in Whitehall. The mob immediately chases him. The man is saved by police, who quickly mobilize to push the angry mob back. Video by ⁦@IncMonocle⁩: pic.twitter.com/O15qKTJuvW

— Andy Ngô 🏳️‍🌈 (@MrAndyNgo) October 14, 2023

Correction: I just saw a report of riots in France on Thursday. They have mobilized 7,000 soldiers to try to maintain order.

Will they start deporting the Islamofascists?

This is who you are cheering for

BREAKING: The IDF just released these photos of roadblocks Hamas set up in Gaza to prevent civilians from evacuating.

One side is doing everything they can to avoid civilian casualties.

The other is ensuring as many get caught in the crossfire as possible. pic.twitter.com/BmaInMqWS0

— Greg Price (@greg_price11) October 14, 2023

BearN said:

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Realitybites said:

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Does a Jew (Orthodox, Reform, or Conservative) who dies in 2023 go to heaven or hell?

No argument about Matthew 24, it describes the second coming not pre or mid tribulation rapture.

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Do all who call themself a Christian (Protestant, Catholic, Reformed, Orthodox) who die in 2023 go to heaven or hell?

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That wasn't the question. The question is if practicing Judaism in the current age can get the practioner to heaven. It should be an easy question to answer.

BearN said:

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Realitybites said:

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Does a Jew (Orthodox, Reform, or Conservative) who dies in 2023 go to heaven or hell?

No argument about Matthew 24, it describes the second coming not pre or mid tribulation rapture.

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Do all who call themself a Christian (Protestant, Catholic, Reformed, Orthodox) who die in 2023 go to heaven or hell?

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That wasn't the question. The question is if practicing Judaism in the current age can get the practioner to heaven when they die. It should be an easy question to answer.

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Iran sent a message to Israel on Saturday stressing that it does not want further escalation in the Hamas-Israel war, but that it will have to intervene if the Israeli operation in Gaza continues, two diplomatic sources with knowledge of the situation.https://t.co/Dpfw69Xkom

— Axios (@axios) October 14, 2023

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Translation:
"We overreached on this and we are making noise to feign support for our puppets, and we really don't want you to do what it looks like you are going to do. Now stop it, or we will taunt you a second time."

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Maybe Iran is bluffing; maybe not.

Iran loses a lot of 'face' within the Muslin world if Israel successfully invades the Gaza Strip.

All depends on how much support Iran can get from enemies of the US.

"Chickens for KFC!!!"

Being LGBTQI+ in Palestine means:

1) Up to 10 years in Prison for being Gay

2) Physical violence including beheadings, assault & torture

3) No civil laws protecting LGBT from discrimination or harassment

4) LGBT groups are banned from holding any events or parades

Sources:… pic.twitter.com/dfKt9fo1kN

— Oli London (@OliLondonTV) October 14, 2023

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BearN said:

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Realitybites said:

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Does a Jew (Orthodox, Reform, or Conservative) who dies in 2023 go to heaven or hell?

No argument about Matthew 24, it describes the second coming not pre or mid tribulation rapture.

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Do all who call themself a Christian (Protestant, Catholic, Reformed, Orthodox) who die in 2023 go to heaven or hell?

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That wasn't the question. The question is if practicing Judaism in the current age can get the practioner to heaven when they die. It should be an easy question to answer.

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I'm answering a question with a question, grasshopper. Stretch your mind. Maybe you will learn something.

I also answered your question in the scriptures I posted. He who has an ear to hear, let him hear.

Or you can read here. This John Piper article is probably close enough. I will make it easy for you.

https://www.desiringgod.org/interviews/will-every-jew-be-saved

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France gas gas demonstrations thus week too. I don't know if they were riots but the government clearly is concerned.

Meanwhile 100 year old Henry Kissinger has commented on his foolish it was for any country to bring in large numbers of immigrants with a different culture. Most of Europe has done that & their leaders are too stupid or woke (same thing) to realize it was a mistake. Biden is trying to do that now here in the U.S. with the open border.

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All these white people bitvhing about Western Civilization sure will miss it...

Watch the moment attendees of today’s Palestine London rally spot a person carrying an Israeli flag in Whitehall. The mob immediately chases him. The man is saved by police, who quickly mobilize to push the angry mob back. Video by ⁦@IncMonocle⁩: pic.twitter.com/O15qKTJuvW

— Andy Ngô 🏳️‍🌈 (@MrAndyNgo) October 14, 2023

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It looked like somebody got konked in the head with an "Islam is a Religion of Peace" sign.

Jack Bauer said:

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"Chickens for KFC!!!"

pic.twitter.com/OoTLZZnWeB

— mzpincali (@mzpincali) October 14, 2023

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CNN: “You are saying, that you want the United States and Israel to bomb Iran even in the absence of direct evidence of their involvement in this attack?” LINDSEY

Graham: “Yeah” pic.twitter.com/E1cWpSu2jH

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) October 14, 2023

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agreed. we know who bankrolls Hamas.

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CNN: “You are saying, that you want the United States and Israel to bomb Iran even in the absence of direct evidence of their involvement in this attack?” LINDSEY

Graham: “Yeah” pic.twitter.com/E1cWpSu2jH

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) October 14, 2023

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First of all, he went in to quite a bit of detail explaining that Iran provides the primary financial support for Hamas and Hezbollah and that no more evidence on that is needed. All parties have provided substantial evidence and testimony that is true. I 100% agree with that. So Graham's answer was ultimately affirmative. However, the tweet and the quote "Yeah" is completely misleading. He was not being glib, as that poster is trying to show. I don't know if the tweeter is stupid, or trying to be intellectually dishonest, but the "yeah" was clearly a filler word, acknowledging the question, while he was gathering his thought to give the full answer.

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All par for the course with CNN & other Leftist propaganda outlets but Graham is wrong. He seems to think the solution to every foreign policy issue is for the U.S. to bomb somebody into the Stone Age and invade. That's insanity and one reason so much of the world hates us.

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FIFY. Bombing them into the stone age will usually suffice.

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That makes no sense. Biden had been a disaster in EVERYTHING. He is by far the worst president we have ever had: worse than Obama, Carter, Buchanan, etc. I challenge to name one who was worse.

I get it. You hate Trump. At least his policies made for a growing economy (despite covid), the border was far more secure, the nation was more secure, etc. He made his share of mistakes but he's one of the better candidates running and you might as well accept the fact that he will probably win. The only the Leftists pro-Hamas crowd can prevent that is to steal the election with more fraud than they perpetrated in 2016 or 2020. Unfortunately, that is possible.

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you are insane. Carter was way worse. I guess you are too young to live it. 18% interest rates. Gasoline rationing and gouging. Great man, terrible pres. I'm not a fan of Biden's tax or green polices. I think Biden has done a reasonable job with this Israel/Palastinian disaster.

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I agree, so far. Such is all the more impressive given that the majority opinion in the Democrat party is that Israel is an colonizer state which deserves to be destroyed.

It's gotta be tough to be a Democrat and have so many fascists to caucus with.

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That makes no sense. Biden had been a disaster in EVERYTHING. He is by far the worst president we have ever had: worse than Obama, Carter, Buchanan, etc. I challenge to name one who was worse.

I get it. You hate Trump. At least his policies made for a growing economy (despite covid), the border was far more secure, the nation was more secure, etc. He made his share of mistakes but he's one of the better candidates running and you might as well accept the fact that he will probably win. The only the Leftists pro-Hamas crowd can prevent that is to steal the election with more fraud than they perpetrated in 2016 or 2020. Unfortunately, that is possible.

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you are insane. Carter was way worse. I guess you are too young to live it. 18% interest rates. Gasoline rationing and gouging. Great man, terrible pres. I'm not a fan of Biden's tax or green polices. I think Biden has done a reasonable job with this Israel/Palastinian disaster.

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Totally sane here. I was a child but I do remember the terrible economy under Carter. I also understand the economic & historical implications.

Biden has not done ANYTHING reasonably well. He has been an unmitigated disaster. I'm looking at the big picture, not just the economy. Biden still has over a year to make the economy as bad as what Carter did, which he seems to be trying to do. Also, Carter was the culmination of a decade of terrible economic policies. Nixon ("We're all Keynesian's now!") was in office with the first oil crisis of the 1970s (which he did not cause but did help end) and gave us price controls and continued the terrible spending policies of his predecessors, which have only grown dramatically in the 50 years since.

Carter appointed Paul Volcker to the Fed and he was the one who eventually brought inflation under control.

Under Biden the deficit has doubled & is about $2 trillion!!! That is insane.

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Those who defend leader McCarthy and think we need more compromise to avoid government shut-downs should focus on that part in bold and ponder harder.

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At best we are headed to a Christian vs Muslim holy war at some point. That's wildly problematic because Muslims are much more devout in their beliefs (on the whole).

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It's not about "devout." It's about "beliefs."

islam teaches that infidels, by refusing to adopt islam, are at war with Allah.

Muslims are genuinely sincere when they say "islam is a religion of peace," but that statement does not mean what the western mind hears. It means, muslims are at peace with Allah (and everyone else is at war with Allah). Remember, the Arabic word "islam" means "submission." It's a very manichean context - one must submit to Allah, or you are at war with him.

And to their credit, muslims are sincere about accepting converts as equals, no matter race, creed, language, etc... It's a very egalitarian faith in that regard. But never forget this - islam does not accept infidels as equals. They are not equal to Muslims in the eyes of Allah, nor in the eyes of the Ummah, nor in the eyes of Shariah. Infidels are essentially sub-human. "Peoples of the Book" (Jews, Christians) get special consideration, but "polytheists" are hated with an intensity that is hard to covey.

My Jordanian diplomat friend used the words "bugs or dogs" in explaining that to me.

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Iran sent a message to Israel on Saturday stressing that it does not want further escalation in the Hamas-Israel war, but that it will have to intervene if the Israeli operation in Gaza continues, two diplomatic sources with knowledge of the situation.https://t.co/Dpfw69Xkom

— Axios (@axios) October 14, 2023

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Translation:
"We overreached on this and we are making noise to feign support for our puppets, and we really don't want you to do what it looks like you are going to do. Now stop it, or we will taunt you a second time."

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Maybe Iran is bluffing; maybe not.

Iran loses a lot of 'face' within the Muslin world if Israel successfully invades the Gaza Strip.

All depends on how much support Iran can get from enemies of the US.

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They have a lot more than "face" at risk here. We have a carrier battle group (CBG) in the eastern Med (Ford), with a second (Eisenhower) on the way. Off the radar is the 5th fleet in the Indian Ocean which also has another CBG. That's 180 4th & 5th generation fighter aircraft gassed up & ready to go (which by itself equals the entire French Air Force, 10th largest in the world). There are also several assault carriers (mostly Wasp class) available in all three fleets which can carry up to 20 USMC F-35s (although to to load up F-35s like that would reduce the number of Ospreys required for troop assault capacity.) We ordered a Fleet Marine Force (FMF) to the eastern Med this week. That's a full division of US Marines, fully loaded for battle with self contained air and logistics capability.*

Against all that, Iran can launch a couple dozen F-4s and F-14s left over from the Shah days. There are no spare parts available, so any aircraft that manage to return to base will have to be refitted with cannibalized parts from other airfames. Iran will get one small sortie with their Air Force, and then it's done. Hizballah is well-kitted with surface to air missile systems, which are a threat to our aircraft. But that's what the F-35 is for....to fly invisible and take out the AAA, opening the door for all the Hornets to do their business. I understand we are doing elephant walks with B-52s around the world, too. (they have a combat radius of 5000 miles.)

We are making a VERY strong statement here. the US Navy is the 2nd largest air force in the world, and we have a THIRD of it aimed at Iran.

If Iran decides to loose Hizballah into Israel from the north, Hizballah will go the way of Hamas.

*We keep two FMFs on the water at all times - one in the Pacific, one in the Atlantic. There is no bigger can of whoop-ass than a CBG escorting a FMF. That's a dispositive amount of force. We have three CBGs and an FMF in position to strike Iran right now. If Iran cannot miss the implications.

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Thanks for the information & analysis

A. Yes a 2nd carrier group is an important part of a deterrent.
B. However Ukraine has already proven how missiles and drones can successfully destroy naval units.
C. Can Israel really count on the US to go to war with Iran if Iran attacks them. If you were Israel would you really trust an 80 year old dementia case to follow through ?
D. And if the US goes to war with Iran what will Russia, Syria, Egypt and especially Turkey do ?


This could very easily escalate into a regional war.

However unlike the Ukrainian nightmare the US did not manipulate this problem involving Hamas.

Iran did.

Hope our Navy is on a war time status. They better be.

If Israel goes into the Gaza Strip, Hamas will sacrifice their civilians to bring on the biggest war in the Middle East since the Iraqi - Iran blood fest .

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Iran sent a message to Israel on Saturday stressing that it does not want further escalation in the Hamas-Israel war, but that it will have to intervene if the Israeli operation in Gaza continues, two diplomatic sources with knowledge of the situation.https://t.co/Dpfw69Xkom

— Axios (@axios) October 14, 2023

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Translation:
"We overreached on this and we are making noise to feign support for our puppets, and we really don't want you to do what it looks like you are going to do. Now stop it, or we will taunt you a second time."

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Maybe Iran is bluffing; maybe not.

Iran loses a lot of 'face' within the Muslin world if Israel successfully invades the Gaza Strip.

All depends on how much support Iran can get from enemies of the US.

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If Israel successfully invaded, that is a forgone conclusion they will invade and finish it. There is no doubt. Israel will follow through, they can be as cold blooded as Hamas, Iran or any. That is what is scaring Hamas and Iran.

They are going to flatten Gaza and rebuild it as a secure Israeli city. Gaza is about to be wiped clean by the wrath of God...

Hamas desperate to keep civilians in there. Iran enters war, US and Israel will start systematically destroying Iran. You may even see Saudi take part. Can Biden put together a coalition like Bush Sr?
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Iran sent a message to Israel on Saturday stressing that it does not want further escalation in the Hamas-Israel war, but that it will have to intervene if the Israeli operation in Gaza continues, two diplomatic sources with knowledge of the situation.https://t.co/Dpfw69Xkom

— Axios (@axios) October 14, 2023

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Translation:
"We overreached on this and we are making noise to feign support for our puppets, and we really don't want you to do what it looks like you are going to do. Now stop it, or we will taunt you a second time."

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Maybe Iran is bluffing; maybe not.

Iran loses a lot of 'face' within the Muslin world if Israel successfully invades the Gaza Strip.

All depends on how much support Iran can get from enemies of the US.

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They are going to flatten Gaza and rebuild it as a secure Israeli city. Gaza is about to be wiped clean by the wrath of God..
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Don't know about that.

Israel just announced another delay on their attack due to 'weather'.

Possibly Israel is having 2nd thoughts on the wisdom of trusting the US too much.

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A. Yes a 2nd carrier group is an important part of a deterrent.
B. However Ukraine has already proven how missiles and drones can successfully destroy naval units.
C. Can Israel really count on the US to go to war with Iran if Iran attacks them. If you were Israel would you really trust an 80 year old dementia case to follow through ?
D. And if the US goes to war with Iran what will Russia, Syria, Egypt and especially Turkey do ?


This could very easily escalate into a regional war.

However unlike the Ukrainian nightmare the US did not manipulate this problem involving Hamas.

Iran did.

Hope our Navy is on a war time status. They better be.

If Israel goes into the Gaza Strip, Hamas will sacrifice their civilians to bring on the biggest war in the Middle East since the Iraqi - Iran blood fest .

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That part in bold is a valid concern, and I cannot speak to it terribly authoritatively. The Navy is aware of the drone threat and has been developing its own swarms, above and under the water. I would assume that much of what Ukraine has done in the Black Sea was with our help. Presumably, if we are building such capabilities ourselves, we are aware of the nature of the threats and have some counter-measures. Most of all, though, remember that Hamas was focused on Israel. It's maritime operations were aimed primarily at infiltration and disruption of Israeli patrols. They could not afford, given their situation, to devote a lot of resources to attacking the US Navy over the horizon. Same dynamic would be at play for HIzballah, except that they have been on the receiving end of US Naval bombardment (after USMC barracks bombing in Lebanon), so may very well have some kind of limited capabilities. But again, they are kitted up primarily for Israel, so they will not have deep inventory to launch at our ships.

one reason the US is so powerful is that our institutions can operate effectively without intervention of the sovereign. That said, I would expect Biden to short-arm the problem, but Israel cannot be worried about that. Pretty sure their perspective goes like this - "we are in this. Any help we get matters. If it's less than what we'd like...well, we are in this and have to win anyway."

Frankly, Israel could handle a two front war. Our support will likely be limited to air and missile strikes against Hizballah bases in Lebanon/Syria. We've done that before, so it's not much of an escalation. Such would substantially degrade Hizballah capablities and relieve pressure on Israeli ordnance supply. So the real question is, will Biden treat it as a simple retaliatory strike, or will he treat it as an opportunity to destroy Hizballah force structure in Lebanon and Syria. He should do the latter, but I'm prepared to see him short-arm it withe former. at the end of the day, there is benefit to both. Degrading Hizballah is a win. And just thumping them to send a message to stand down is also a win, just not as effective over time nor broadly satisfying.


Turkey will not mind us taking out Iranian and HIzballah assets, as they are both terror threats and regional rivals to Turkey.

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At best we are headed to a Christian vs Muslim holy war at some point. That's wildly problematic because Muslims are much more devout in their beliefs (on the whole).

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It's not about "devout." It's about "beliefs."

islam teaches that infidels, by refusing to adopt islam, are at war with Allah.

Muslims are genuinely sincere when they say "islam is a religion of peace," but that statement does not mean what the western mind hears. It means, muslims are at peace with Allah (and everyone else is at war with Allah). Remember, the Arabic word "islam" means "submission." It's a very manichean context - one must submit to Allah, or you are at war with him.

And to their credit, muslims are sincere about accepting converts as equals, no matter race, creed, language, etc... It's a very egalitarian faith in that regard. But never forget this - islam does not accept infidels as equals. They are not equal to Muslims in the eyes of Allah, nor in the eyes of the Ummah, nor in the eyes of Shariah. Infidels are essentially sub-human. "Peoples of the Book" (Jews, Christians) get special consideration, but "polytheists" are hated with an intensity that is hard to covey.

My Jordanian diplomat friend used the words "bugs or dogs" in explaining that to me.

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I spent years in the region. I'm aware. It's not just their beliefs. It's the fervor with which they believe. The "far right" is a joke in this country. It's a punchline and a boogeyman. The far right of Islam is scary ***** Hell the just right of middle part of Islam is scary.