The real problem is whether the dispute between Palestine and Israel is a territorial dispute, a holy war, or both and if implementing a UN resolution from 75 years ago today will calm tensions. Israeli Zionists did not calm tensions back then by unilaterally declaring a Jewish state through force of arms and terrorist tactics. Certainly invading Gaza will not calm tensions. But basically there generations of Palestinian kids have been indoctrinated into a jihadist mindset in that time and so implementing a two state solution now may not do so either. But that is the only way forward so that everyone will be without excuse. If after that, jihad persists then the world may need to understand that instead of playing whack a mole that it has to go to war with Allah with the sort of tactics Hadrian used against Judaism and Cortez used against the Aztec religion... and while attacking Mecca and Medina may offend western sensibilities it will spare the lives of millions of civilians and destroy the credibility of The Friday sermons of Imams everywhere.
Netanyahu said "we are at war,"
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historian said:
All good points. The Roman Republic, however, was marred by much violence and ended in civil war and a monarchy. If memory serves (it's been a long time since I've studied Ancient Rome), assassination became a political staple in the later years of the republic. Caesar & the Ides of March was just a later example. I don't expect the Dutch Republic was as violent.
When we think of Rome, we should be thinking of Byzantium. Rome survived in Constantinople for centuries after the empire in the west collapsed. The Fall of Civilizations Podcast has an excellent two part video on you tube titled "The Last of the Romans".
Realitybites said:
The real problem is whether the dispute between Palestine and Israel is a territorial dispute, a holy war, or both and if implementing a UN resolution from 75 years ago today will calm tensions. Israeli Zionists did not calm tensions back then by unilaterally declaring a Jewish state through force of arms and terrorist tactics. Certainly invading Gaza will not calm tensions. But basically there generations of Palestinian kids have been indoctrinated into a jihadist mindset in that time and so implementing a two state solution now may not do so either. But that is the only way forward so that everyone will be without excuse. If after that, jihad persists then the world may need to understand that instead of playing whack a mole that it has to go to war with Allah with the sort of tactics Hadrian used against Judaism and Cortez used against the Aztec religion... and while attacking Mecca and Medina may offend western sensibilities it will spare the lives of millions of civilians and destroy the credibility of The Friday sermons of Imams everywhere.
There's an awful lot of Hebrew in Jerusalem that goes back wayyyyyy before the 1960s. Like wayyyyyyyyyyyy before.
What? Palestinian and Arab terrorist attacks on Jews in the area preceded 1947 and were frequent. And barely a second lapsed after the UN partition before widescale Arab terror attacks. It only got worse after the declaration of Israel, as the entire Arab world attacked.Realitybites said:
The real problem is whether the dispute between Palestine and Israel is a territorial dispute, a holy war, or both and if implementing a UN resolution from 75 years ago today will calm tensions. Israeli Zionists did not calm tensions back then by unilaterally declaring a Jewish state through force of arms and terrorist tactics. Certainly invading Gaza will not calm tensions. But basically there generations of Palestinian kids have been indoctrinated into a jihadist mindset in that time and so implementing a two state solution now may not do so either. But that is the only way forward so that everyone will be without excuse. If after that, jihad persists then the world may need to understand that instead of playing whack a mole that it has to go to war with Allah with the sort of tactics Hadrian used against Judaism and Cortez used against the Aztec religion... and while attacking Mecca and Medina may offend western sensibilities it will spare the lives of millions of civilians and destroy the credibility of The Friday sermons of Imams everywhere.
Realitybites said:historian said:
All good points. The Roman Republic, however, was marred by much violence and ended in civil war and a monarchy. If memory serves (it's been a long time since I've studied Ancient Rome), assassination became a political staple in the later years of the republic. Caesar & the Ides of March was just a later example. I don't expect the Dutch Republic was as violent.
When we think of Rome, we should be thinking of Byzantium. Rome survived in Constantinople for centuries after the empire in the west collapsed. The Fall of Civilizations Podcast has an excellent two part video on you tube titled "The Last of the Romans".
True. However, the eastern half of the empire was always different and that is reflected in the division of Christianity between Catholicism & Orthodox..
sombear said:What? Palestinian and Arab terrorist attacks on Jews in the area preceded 1947 and were frequent. And barely a second lapsed after the UN partition before widescale Arab terror attacks. It only got worse after the declaration of Israel, as the entire Arab world attacked.Realitybites said:
The real problem is whether the dispute between Palestine and Israel is a territorial dispute, a holy war, or both and if implementing a UN resolution from 75 years ago today will calm tensions. Israeli Zionists did not calm tensions back then by unilaterally declaring a Jewish state through force of arms and terrorist tactics. Certainly invading Gaza will not calm tensions. But basically there generations of Palestinian kids have been indoctrinated into a jihadist mindset in that time and so implementing a two state solution now may not do so either. But that is the only way forward so that everyone will be without excuse. If after that, jihad persists then the world may need to understand that instead of playing whack a mole that it has to go to war with Allah with the sort of tactics Hadrian used against Judaism and Cortez used against the Aztec religion... and while attacking Mecca and Medina may offend western sensibilities it will spare the lives of millions of civilians and destroy the credibility of The Friday sermons of Imams everywhere.
The Jews in Israel are surrounded by enemies who literally want to annihilate every one of them. Many of these historic Islamofascists admired Hitler and the Holocaust. When they are not denying that it happened, they are promising to finish what Hitler started. They were attacked on multiple sides repeatedly: 1948, 1967 & 1973 most prominently. Then there were the terrorist attacks almost constantly, the Intifada, the Second Intifada, etc. The IDF & Mossad are among the best at what they do because they have to be to survive.
It all boils down to one issue: do you accept the right of Israel to exist? If not, then you have lost the argument because that only leads to endless evil including genocide.
Amazingly, in recent decades Israel has managed to develop real relations with some neighbors beginning with Egypt (1979) and later Jordan (1990s). More recently, other Arab countries signed the Abraham Accords bringing very real progress. The Saudis seemed about to join them until Iran & Hamas started another war.
In the end peace in the Middle East will not happen until Jesus comes & establishes His kingdom. This is mainly because there are too many Arabs, Persians, Marxists, & others who don't want peace.
One of most sobering aspects of this struggle is that it's roots literally can be traced back 4,000+ years to Abraham & Sarah growing impatient with God and His promise. So he fathered Ishmael, from whom the Arabs are descended, with Hagar creating millennia of tensions and conflicts to this day.
historian said:Realitybites said:historian said:
All good points. The Roman Republic, however, was marred by much violence and ended in civil war and a monarchy. If memory serves (it's been a long time since I've studied Ancient Rome), assassination became a political staple in the later years of the republic. Caesar & the Ides of March was just a later example. I don't expect the Dutch Republic was as violent.
When we think of Rome, we should be thinking of Byzantium. Rome survived in Constantinople for centuries after the empire in the west collapsed. The Fall of Civilizations Podcast has an excellent two part video on you tube titled "The Last of the Romans".
True. However, the eastern half of the empire was always different and that is reflected in the division of Christianity between Catholicism & Orthodox..
The Greek Orthodox part of the Empire nearly got the whole thing back under Justinian and his General Belisarius
But that Latin vs Greek divide was huge
Yes but Justinian was a brief exception to the rest of Byzantine history. Justinian was a great leader. Two notable accomplishments: he furthered the codification of Roman law (begun by Julius Caesar & completed by Napoleon) and he had built the largest church in all Christendom. When the Muslim Turks conquered the empire they converted it into a mosque, the Hagia Sophia.
historian said:
Yes but Justinian was a brief exception to the rest of Byzantine history. Justinian was a great leader. Two notable accomplishments: he furthered the codification of Roman law (begun by Julius Caesar & completed by Napoleon) and he had built the largest church in all Christendom. When the Muslim Turks conquered the empire they converted it into a mosque, the Hagia Sophia.
The Eastern Roman Empire fighting against both Germanic barbarians (and later Latin Christian kingdoms) from the West and Arabs, Turks, Mongols from the East and holding out for a thousand years of warfare is not taught enough.
476 AD and the fall of Rome to Odoacer (effectively had fallen long before) all the way until 1453 and the end of the Empire with the Turkish Muslim conquest.
That is a long time to hold out as a civilization and a Roman Empire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire
Super impressive
Yes it is, even if most of its last 1-2 centuries the empire was a shell of its former self. It was plagued by corruption, economic instability (often caused by the govt), & decadence. Unfortunately, it was much like modern America (& Weimar Germany, pre-Revolutionary France, tsarist Russia, etc).
nein51 said:Realitybites said:
The real problem is whether the dispute between Palestine and Israel is a territorial dispute, a holy war, or both and if implementing a UN resolution from 75 years ago today will calm tensions. Israeli Zionists did not calm tensions back then by unilaterally declaring a Jewish state through force of arms and terrorist tactics. Certainly invading Gaza will not calm tensions. But basically there generations of Palestinian kids have been indoctrinated into a jihadist mindset in that time and so implementing a two state solution now may not do so either. But that is the only way forward so that everyone will be without excuse. If after that, jihad persists then the world may need to understand that instead of playing whack a mole that it has to go to war with Allah with the sort of tactics Hadrian used against Judaism and Cortez used against the Aztec religion... and while attacking Mecca and Medina may offend western sensibilities it will spare the lives of millions of civilians and destroy the credibility of The Friday sermons of Imams everywhere.
There's an awful lot of Hebrew in Jerusalem that goes back wayyyyyy before the 1960s. Like wayyyyyyyyyyyy before.
You might think Abaham and Jacob bought some real estate in that area.
you forget that the EU nations have massive population growth. They are growing by importing muslims... oh wait... that might not be a good idea after all.Redbrickbear said:KaiBear said:
Millions more just like these filing pigs.
Israel is doomed .
They have at least 400 nukes and a 1st world economy and military.
Why would they be doomed?
Their largest neighbor Egypt (who is about as militarily competent as Mexico) even has a peace treaty with them that they have honored since 1979
Not only that....but fertility rates are a major sign of if your nation has a future. And Israel has a fertility rate of 3.0 (while most of the Europe and N. America are below replacement).
Israel's population is growing...with ultra-orthodox growing very fast.
[Israel's population will surge by 70 percent, to almost 16 million, by 2050, with the ultra-Orthodox accounting for about a third of all Israeli Jews]
How are they doomed? Can you name a European country that is going to have 70% population growth over the next 30 years and a 3.0 fertility rate? Its all the countries in Europe that you should be worried about...not Israel.
ShooterTX
ShooterTX said:you forget that the EU nations have massive population growth. They are growing by importing muslims... oh wait... that might not be a good idea after all.Redbrickbear said:KaiBear said:
Millions more just like these filing pigs.
Israel is doomed .
They have at least 400 nukes and a 1st world economy and military.
Why would they be doomed?
Their largest neighbor Egypt (who is about as militarily competent as Mexico) even has a peace treaty with them that they have honored since 1979
Not only that....but fertility rates are a major sign of if your nation has a future. And Israel has a fertility rate of 3.0 (while most of the Europe and N. America are below replacement).
Israel's population is growing...with ultra-orthodox growing very fast.
[Israel's population will surge by 70 percent, to almost 16 million, by 2050, with the ultra-Orthodox accounting for about a third of all Israeli Jews]
How are they doomed? Can you name a European country that is going to have 70% population growth over the next 30 years and a 3.0 fertility rate? Its all the countries in Europe that you should be worried about...not Israel.
Yea it's bad.
They import MENA migrants (Middle East North Africa) like we import Mestizo migrants… by the millions
🚨THE PENTAGON:
— Mario Nawfal (@MarioNawfal) October 26, 2023
- We deployed 900 soldiers in the Middle East, including specialists in air defense systems
- Our forces were attacked by groups allied with Iran at least 12 times in Iraq and 4 times in Syria last week.
- We plan to provide two American air defense systems to… pic.twitter.com/IXUahqbyDY
ShooterTX said:you forget that the EU nations have massive population growth. They are growing by importing muslims... oh wait... that might not be a good idea after all.Redbrickbear said:KaiBear said:
Millions more just like these filing pigs.
Israel is doomed .
They have at least 400 nukes and a 1st world economy and military.
Why would they be doomed?
Their largest neighbor Egypt (who is about as militarily competent as Mexico) even has a peace treaty with them that they have honored since 1979
Not only that....but fertility rates are a major sign of if your nation has a future. And Israel has a fertility rate of 3.0 (while most of the Europe and N. America are below replacement).
Israel's population is growing...with ultra-orthodox growing very fast.
[Israel's population will surge by 70 percent, to almost 16 million, by 2050, with the ultra-Orthodox accounting for about a third of all Israeli Jews]
How are they doomed? Can you name a European country that is going to have 70% population growth over the next 30 years and a 3.0 fertility rate? Its all the countries in Europe that you should be worried about...not Israel.
Henry Kissinger told them that recently. At 100 years old, he's still smarter than most of those countries' leaders the past few decades.
US military carried out airstrikes on Iranian proxy forces in Syria moments ago in response to recent attacks on U.S. bases since Oct 17: sources tell Fox News.
— Jennifer Griffin (@JenGriffinFNC) October 27, 2023
US military carried out airstrikes on Iranian proxy forces in Syria moments ago in response to recent attacks on U.S. bases since Oct 17: sources tell Fox News.
— Jennifer Griffin (@JenGriffinFNC) October 27, 2023
The whole Jewish presence in Israel for thousands of years has already been discussed previously. About 2000 years of a Jewish Kingdom there followed by about 2000 years of the Jewish presence there having been virtually extinguished and the region's name changed to Syria Palestina.
This not a war about land. It's a war about humanity.
HERO
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Realitybites said:
The whole Jewish presence in Israel for thousands of years has already been discussed previously. About 2000 years of a Jewish Kingdom there followed by about 2000 years of the Jewish presence there having been virtually extinguished and the region's name changed to Syria Palestina.
Without doubt there were jews in the western part of the Levant between modern Lebanon and Egypt well before the the rise of the Roman Republic/Empire.
But much of what we think we know about the history there might be myth and not real history.
["Following 70 years of intensive excavations in the Land of Israel, archaeologists have found out: The patriarchs' acts are legendary, the Israelites did not sojourn in Egypt or make an exodus, they did not conquer the land. Neither is there any mention of the empire of David and Solomon, nor of the source of belief in the God of Israel. These facts have been known for years, but Israel is a stubborn people and nobody wants to hear about it. This is what archaeologists have learned from their excavations in the Land of Israel: the Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the 12 tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to swallow is the fact that the united monarchy of David and Solomon, which is described by the Bible as a regional power, was at most a small tribal kingdom." By Ze'ev Herzog (Professor, Department of Archaeology and Ancient Near Eastern Cultures Department, Tel Aviv University)]
[In the Jewish Study Bible (2014), Oded Lip*****s states the concept of United Monarchy should be abandoned, while Aren Maeir believes there is insufficient evidence in support of the United Monarchy. In August 2015, Israeli archaeologists discovered massive fortifications in the ruins of the ancient city of Gath, supposed birthplace of Goliath. The size of the fortifications shows that Gath was a large city in the 10th century BCE, perhaps the largest in Canaan at the time. The professor leading the dig, Aren Maeir, estimated that Gath was as much as four times the size of contemporary Jerusalem, which cast doubt that David's kingdom could have been as powerful as described in the Bible]
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So we let an Iranian diplomat set foot on American soil (The United Nations) and let the mother f***er threaten and berate us? That is unacceptable. W T F is wrong with this administration?
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"
-- Barack Obama
-- Barack Obama
Realitybites said:
The whole Jewish presence in Israel for thousands of years has already been discussed previously. About 2000 years of a Jewish Kingdom there followed by about 2000 years of the Jewish presence there having been virtually extinguished and the region's name changed to Syria Palestina.
As prophesied. And brought back as prophesied.
Americans seem to have had enough.
— Bree A Dail (@breeadail) October 27, 2023
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I will believe the word of God over any scholar. While I'm no expert on archaeology or ancient history what I have studied suggests that a lot of biblical events have been confirmed by secular sources including archaeology. In fact, I think some scholars from Baylor have participated in some of those digs.
Beautiful! We ought to start deporting all of these militant college students. If they openly support terrorism, they need to G T F O!!!!!Cobretti said:Americans seem to have had enough.
— Bree A Dail (@breeadail) October 27, 2023
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"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"
-- Barack Obama
-- Barack Obama
I've been spending about half my time in NY for work. You can feel this. There's tremendous Israeli support, but many are afraid to show it publicly. It's a powder keg.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Beautiful! We ought to start deporting all of these militant college students. If they openly support terrorism, they need to G T F O!!!!!Cobretti said:Americans seem to have had enough.
— Bree A Dail (@breeadail) October 27, 2023
pic.twitter.com/ZYkIvygQHs
A ground war is a huge mistake.
Israel now assumes responsibility in providing for almost 2 million enemies.
And that's the least of it.
Israel now assumes responsibility in providing for almost 2 million enemies.
And that's the least of it.
Wow!!! Thanks for sharing, sombear.sombear said:I've been spending about half my time in NY for work. You can feel this. There's tremendous Israeli support, but many are afraid to show it publicly. It's a powder keg.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Beautiful! We ought to start deporting all of these militant college students. If they openly support terrorism, they need to G T F O!!!!!Cobretti said:Americans seem to have had enough.
— Bree A Dail (@breeadail) October 27, 2023
pic.twitter.com/ZYkIvygQHs
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"
-- Barack Obama
-- Barack Obama
Israel needs to remove the scourge of the earth that is Hamas from this earth. They have no obligation to support the supporters of Hamas. Biden and Blinken just need to stay the F out of the way. Israel has got this!KaiBear said:
A ground war is a huge mistake.
Israel now assumes responsibility in providing for almost 2 million enemies.
And that's the least of it.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"
-- Barack Obama
-- Barack Obama
The leadership of Turkey, Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Iran can not allow the 'supporters of Hamas' to starve, or be willfully slaughtered and still remain in power.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Israel needs to remove the scourge of the earth that is Hamas from this earth. They have no obligation to sjpport the supporters of Hamas. Biden and Blinken just need to stay the F out of the way. Israel has got this!KaiBear said:
A ground war is a huge mistake.
Israel now assumes responsibility in providing for almost 2 million enemies.
And that's the least of it.
As the masses in each Muslim country would rise up against them.
Israel does not 'got this', and survives only with massive US support.
I agree that Israel needs the U.S. support. Joe Biden does not need to play the role of starting quarterback. He needs to be silent player on the practice squad. Let Israel do what has to be done.KaiBear said:The leadership of Turkey, Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Iran can not allow the 'supporters of Hamas' to starve, or be willfully slaughtered and still remain in power.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Israel needs to remove the scourge of the earth that is Hamas from this earth. They have no obligation to sjpport the supporters of Hamas. Biden and Blinken just need to stay the F out of the way. Israel has got this!KaiBear said:
A ground war is a huge mistake.
Israel now assumes responsibility in providing for almost 2 million enemies.
And that's the least of it.
As the masses in each Muslim country would rise up against them.
Israel does not 'got this', and survives only with massive US support.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"
-- Barack Obama
-- Barack Obama
I’ve heard a lot of people complain recently that they can’t criticize Israel without being accused of being an antisemite. In fact, it’s very easy to criticize Israel without being called an antisemite, I do it all the time.
— Yael Bar tur (@yaelbt) October 27, 2023
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Wrecks Quan Dough said:
As prophesied. And brought back as prophesied.
That takes a very specific, very young interpretation of eschatology that the overwhelming majority of the Christian faith today - and certainly throughout history - does not accept.
I would prefer it if our foreign policy is conducted on something a little bit more concrete than a fringe attempt at playing Old Maid with current headlines and out of context Bible verses.
In other news, China this week held a conference celebrating its BRI. 70 percent of the world's nations had delegates. Meanwhile we are transing the kids, melting down Robert E. Lee statues, and spending ourselves into oblivion.