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In reply to FLBear5630 • 1:16p, 11/13/23
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There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it

They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.


1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.

2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?

Hell of a deal


Your house is located on land that once belonged to Indians.

When are you going to quit claim your deed over to one ?


So you are admitting Israel is built on land stolen through military conquest?

I'm not sure how you think a comparison like that is helpful to your buddies in Tel Aviv.

It's that very comparison of Israel as a violent settler expansionist entity that has turned the American Left and institutional liberals against the State.
What Nation wasn't???? People have been around for a long time, pretty much everywhere on the planet has been conquered, reconquered, split-up and someone got screwed. Way that doesn't happen is be strong enough to prevent it...

Iceland...."Iceland was almost completely uninhabited island in the northern Atlantic Ocean when the Norsemen settled it around the year 870"

Cape Verde…"The discovers of Cape Verde, the Portuguese, described the islands upon their arrival in 1456 as "completely uninhabited." In any case, there is still no evidence of any human life before the descoberta."

Probably a few others out there as well.
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 7:47p, 11/13/23
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historian said:
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There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


Ever lived in the Muslim world?
Ever talked to any Muslims in the Arab world?




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In reply to whiterock • 7:48p, 11/13/23
whiterock said:
Redbrickbear said:
historian said:
Realitybites said:
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There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


Ever lived in the Muslim world?
Ever talked to any Muslims in the Arab world?






Yes.

Have you?
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In reply to whiterock • 7:50p, 11/13/23
Have you seen a collection of videos compiled by IDF from captured Hamas body cams? I'd love to see it. I hear it's out there
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In reply to whiterock • 7:50p, 11/13/23
whiterock said:
Redbrickbear said:
historian said:
Realitybites said:
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There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it






Just so you know…Visgrad is basically pure propaganda…anything they post should be taken with a massive massive grain of salt.


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In reply to Redbrickbear • 7:57p, 11/13/23
Redbrickbear said:
whiterock said:
Redbrickbear said:
historian said:
Realitybites said:
Quote:
There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


Ever lived in the Muslim world?
Ever talked to any Muslims in the Arab world?






Yes.

Have you?

Yep. Years. Thousands of hours socially as the only Anglo in sight. Card games, cigars, horseback riding, family dinners, funerals & weddings, garden parties, mosque services, etc…. And professionally, clandestinely, reporting on the very topics being discussed here, debriefings, polygraphs, street-work, armed, at night, in disguise, etc….

You are clueless about Arabs and islam. I mean, profoundly. Like, some of the stuff you're saying is not just wrong, but the opposite of reality.
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In reply to whiterock • 8:00p, 11/13/23
whiterock said:
Redbrickbear said:
whiterock said:
Redbrickbear said:
historian said:
Realitybites said:
Quote:
There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


Ever lived in the Muslim world?
Ever talked to any Muslims in the Arab world?






Yes.

Have you?



You are clueless about Arabs and islam. I mean, profoundly. Like, some of the stuff you're saying is not just wrong, but the opposite of reality.


I would like to know where your deep rooted and well researched knowledge about Arabs and Islam comes from?

Have you studied the subject for years?

Do you have a degree in middle eastern studies?

Have you even been to the region?
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 8:04p, 11/13/23
Redbrickbear said:
whiterock said:
Redbrickbear said:
whiterock said:
Redbrickbear said:
historian said:
Realitybites said:
Quote:
There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


Ever lived in the Muslim world?
Ever talked to any Muslims in the Arab world?






Yes.

Have you?



You are clueless about Arabs and islam. I mean, profoundly. Like, some of the stuff you're saying is not just wrong, but the opposite of reality.


I would like to know where your deep rooted and well researched knowledge about Arabs and Islam comes from?

Have you studied the subject for years?

Do you have a degree in middle eastern studies?

Have you even been to the region?


Do you?
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In reply to Osodecentx • 8:05p, 11/13/23
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
whiterock said:
Redbrickbear said:
whiterock said:
Redbrickbear said:
historian said:
Realitybites said:
Quote:
There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


Ever lived in the Muslim world?
Ever talked to any Muslims in the Arab world?






Yes.

Have you?



You are clueless about Arabs and islam. I mean, profoundly. Like, some of the stuff you're saying is not just wrong, but the opposite of reality.


I would like to know where your deep rooted and well researched knowledge about Arabs and Islam comes from?

Have you studied the subject for years?

Do you have a degree in middle eastern studies?

Have you even been to the region?


Do you?


I'm not the one claiming that others peoples opinions about Arabs and Muslims is grossly wrong and the "opposite of reality"
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 8:22p, 11/13/23
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
whiterock said:
Redbrickbear said:
whiterock said:
Redbrickbear said:
historian said:
Realitybites said:
Quote:
There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


Ever lived in the Muslim world?
Ever talked to any Muslims in the Arab world?






Yes.

Have you?



You are clueless about Arabs and islam. I mean, profoundly. Like, some of the stuff you're saying is not just wrong, but the opposite of reality.


I would like to know where your deep rooted and well researched knowledge about Arabs and Islam comes from?

Have you studied the subject for years?

Do you have a degree in middle eastern studies?

Have you even been to the region?


Do you?


I'm not the one claiming that others peoples opinions about Arabs and Muslims is grossly wrong and the "opposite of reality"


What are your credentials?
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In reply to Osodecentx • 8:24p, 11/13/23
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
whiterock said:
Redbrickbear said:
whiterock said:
Redbrickbear said:
historian said:
Realitybites said:
Quote:
There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


Ever lived in the Muslim world?
Ever talked to any Muslims in the Arab world?






Yes.

Have you?



You are clueless about Arabs and islam. I mean, profoundly. Like, some of the stuff you're saying is not just wrong, but the opposite of reality.


I would like to know where your deep rooted and well researched knowledge about Arabs and Islam comes from?

Have you studied the subject for years?

Do you have a degree in middle eastern studies?

Have you even been to the region?


Do you?


I'm not the one claiming that others peoples opinions about Arabs and Muslims is grossly wrong and the "opposite of reality"


What are your credentials?


I'm not making any specific claims about Arabs or Islam…despite what Whiterock thinks.

It's on those making large sweeping statements about races or religions to explain their knowledge base
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In reply to nein51 • 8:51p, 11/13/23
nein51 said:
Redbrickbear said:
KaiBear said:
Redbrickbear said:
KaiBear said:
Redbrickbear said:
KaiBear said:
Redbrickbear said:
FLBear5630 said:
Redbrickbear said:
historian said:
Realitybites said:
Quote:
There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it

They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.


1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.

2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?

Hell of a deal


Your house is located on land that once belonged to Indians.

When are you going to quit claim your deed over to one ?


So you are admitting Israel is built on land stolen through military conquest?

I'm not sure how you think a comparison like that is helpful to your buddies in Tel Aviv.

It's that very comparison of Israel as a violent settler expansionist entity that has turned the American Left and institutional liberals against the State.



Almost ALL land has been won and lost by force of arms throughout history.

.


I'm not sure I understand what you are arguing… because land has been stolen throughout human history it's ok for Israeli settlers to do it today in 2023?

Bring back the good ole bloody days of ethnic based tribal conquest?

That might be the world you want to live in but most people reject it


Hypocrite

The ground your house sits on was 'stolen' .

By one Indian tribe from another. Until finally the Europeans took it from the Indians.

And eventually your little slice of dirt will be 'stolen' by some other group.







So now you are using the word stolen.

Ok, the past being what it is and all….should the USA steal more Indian land in 2023?

Should our Army occupy the last reservations and brutalize the local population?

Should we let settlers establish new settlements on the land and shoot rubber bullets and billy club Indians if they protest?

If the native Americans on a reservation decided to take a trip to Norman Oklahoma and slaughter hundreds of people I would absolutely stand behind the demolition of those people as well as any measures designed to make sure they couldn't do it again. As would any sane, rational person.



The key word, of course, is rational'.

But Red has some long held biases that no rational discussion is ever going to alter.

Would be interesting for him to finally disclose what motivates his antisemitism.

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In reply to KaiBear • 8:56p, 11/13/23
KaiBear said:
nein51 said:
Redbrickbear said:
KaiBear said:
Redbrickbear said:
KaiBear said:
Redbrickbear said:
KaiBear said:
Redbrickbear said:
FLBear5630 said:
Redbrickbear said:
historian said:
Realitybites said:
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There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it

They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.


1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.

2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?

Hell of a deal


Your house is located on land that once belonged to Indians.

When are you going to quit claim your deed over to one ?


So you are admitting Israel is built on land stolen through military conquest?

I'm not sure how you think a comparison like that is helpful to your buddies in Tel Aviv.

It's that very comparison of Israel as a violent settler expansionist entity that has turned the American Left and institutional liberals against the State.



Almost ALL land has been won and lost by force of arms throughout history.

.


I'm not sure I understand what you are arguing… because land has been stolen throughout human history it's ok for Israeli settlers to do it today in 2023?

Bring back the good ole bloody days of ethnic based tribal conquest?

That might be the world you want to live in but most people reject it


Hypocrite

The ground your house sits on was 'stolen' .

By one Indian tribe from another. Until finally the Europeans took it from the Indians.

And eventually your little slice of dirt will be 'stolen' by some other group.







So now you are using the word stolen.

Ok, the past being what it is and all….should the USA steal more Indian land in 2023?

Should our Army occupy the last reservations and brutalize the local population?

Should we let settlers establish new settlements on the land and shoot rubber bullets and billy club Indians if they protest?

If the native Americans on a reservation decided to take a trip to Norman Oklahoma and slaughter hundreds of people I would absolutely stand behind the demolition of those people as well as any measures designed to make sure they couldn't do it again. As would any sane, rational person.


Would be interesting for him to finally disclose what motivates his antisemitism.



lol I would like to know what criticism of Palestinians has to do with "Islamophobia" or criticism of Israel has to do with "anti-semitism"

You use progressive terminology which is strange for someone who considers themselves conservative.

Not all Palestinians are even Muslims.

Not all Israelis are even Jews
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 11:25p, 11/13/23
Redbrickbear said:
KaiBear said:
nein51 said:
Redbrickbear said:
KaiBear said:
Redbrickbear said:
KaiBear said:
Redbrickbear said:
KaiBear said:
Redbrickbear said:
FLBear5630 said:
Redbrickbear said:
historian said:
Realitybites said:
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There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it

They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.


1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.

2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?

Hell of a deal


Your house is located on land that once belonged to Indians.

When are you going to quit claim your deed over to one ?


So you are admitting Israel is built on land stolen through military conquest?

I'm not sure how you think a comparison like that is helpful to your buddies in Tel Aviv.

It's that very comparison of Israel as a violent settler expansionist entity that has turned the American Left and institutional liberals against the State.



Almost ALL land has been won and lost by force of arms throughout history.

.


I'm not sure I understand what you are arguing… because land has been stolen throughout human history it's ok for Israeli settlers to do it today in 2023?

Bring back the good ole bloody days of ethnic based tribal conquest?

That might be the world you want to live in but most people reject it


Hypocrite

The ground your house sits on was 'stolen' .

By one Indian tribe from another. Until finally the Europeans took it from the Indians.

And eventually your little slice of dirt will be 'stolen' by some other group.







So now you are using the word stolen.

Ok, the past being what it is and all….should the USA steal more Indian land in 2023?

Should our Army occupy the last reservations and brutalize the local population?

Should we let settlers establish new settlements on the land and shoot rubber bullets and billy club Indians if they protest?

If the native Americans on a reservation decided to take a trip to Norman Oklahoma and slaughter hundreds of people I would absolutely stand behind the demolition of those people as well as any measures designed to make sure they couldn't do it again. As would any sane, rational person.


Would be interesting for him to finally disclose what motivates his antisemitism.



lol I would like to know what criticism of Palestinians has to do with "Islamophobia" or criticism of Israel has to do with "anti-semitism"

You use progressive terminology which is strange for someone who considers themselves conservative.

Not all Palestinians are even Muslims.

Not all Israelis are even Jews



Ridiculous deflections.

Own your antisemitism Red.

No need to waffle; you have lots of company.

And wearing white hoods is no longer required.

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In reply to KaiBear • 11:28p, 11/13/23
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There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it

They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.


1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.

2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?

Hell of a deal


Your house is located on land that once belonged to Indians.

When are you going to quit claim your deed over to one ?


So you are admitting Israel is built on land stolen through military conquest?

I'm not sure how you think a comparison like that is helpful to your buddies in Tel Aviv.

It's that very comparison of Israel as a violent settler expansionist entity that has turned the American Left and institutional liberals against the State.



Almost ALL land has been won and lost by force of arms throughout history.

.


I'm not sure I understand what you are arguing… because land has been stolen throughout human history it's ok for Israeli settlers to do it today in 2023?

Bring back the good ole bloody days of ethnic based tribal conquest?

That might be the world you want to live in but most people reject it


Hypocrite

The ground your house sits on was 'stolen' .

By one Indian tribe from another. Until finally the Europeans took it from the Indians.

And eventually your little slice of dirt will be 'stolen' by some other group.







So now you are using the word stolen.

Ok, the past being what it is and all….should the USA steal more Indian land in 2023?

Should our Army occupy the last reservations and brutalize the local population?

Should we let settlers establish new settlements on the land and shoot rubber bullets and billy club Indians if they protest?

If the native Americans on a reservation decided to take a trip to Norman Oklahoma and slaughter hundreds of people I would absolutely stand behind the demolition of those people as well as any measures designed to make sure they couldn't do it again. As would any sane, rational person.


Would be interesting for him to finally disclose what motivates his antisemitism.



lol I would like to know what criticism of Palestinians has to do with "Islamophobia" or criticism of Israel has to do with "anti-semitism"

You use progressive terminology which is strange for someone who considers themselves conservative.

Not all Palestinians are even Muslims.

Not all Israelis are even Jews



Ridiculous deflections.

Own your antisemitism Red.

No need to waffle; you have lots of company.

And wearing white hoods is no longer required.



lol

You are such a nut.

I keep asking the question are all Israelis Jewish?

Why won't you answer it?
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 11:32p, 11/13/23
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There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it

They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.


1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.

2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?

Hell of a deal


Your house is located on land that once belonged to Indians.

When are you going to quit claim your deed over to one ?


So you are admitting Israel is built on land stolen through military conquest?

I'm not sure how you think a comparison like that is helpful to your buddies in Tel Aviv.

It's that very comparison of Israel as a violent settler expansionist entity that has turned the American Left and institutional liberals against the State.



Almost ALL land has been won and lost by force of arms throughout history.

.


I'm not sure I understand what you are arguing… because land has been stolen throughout human history it's ok for Israeli settlers to do it today in 2023?

Bring back the good ole bloody days of ethnic based tribal conquest?

That might be the world you want to live in but most people reject it


Hypocrite

The ground your house sits on was 'stolen' .

By one Indian tribe from another. Until finally the Europeans took it from the Indians.

And eventually your little slice of dirt will be 'stolen' by some other group.







So now you are using the word stolen.

Ok, the past being what it is and all….should the USA steal more Indian land in 2023?

Should our Army occupy the last reservations and brutalize the local population?

Should we let settlers establish new settlements on the land and shoot rubber bullets and billy club Indians if they protest?

If the native Americans on a reservation decided to take a trip to Norman Oklahoma and slaughter hundreds of people I would absolutely stand behind the demolition of those people as well as any measures designed to make sure they couldn't do it again. As would any sane, rational person.


Would be interesting for him to finally disclose what motivates his antisemitism.



lol I would like to know what criticism of Palestinians has to do with "Islamophobia" or criticism of Israel has to do with "anti-semitism"

You use progressive terminology which is strange for someone who considers themselves conservative.

Not all Palestinians are even Muslims.

Not all Israelis are even Jews



Ridiculous deflections.

Own your antisemitism Red.

No need to waffle; you have lots of company.

And wearing white hoods is no longer required.



lol

You are such a nut.

I keep asking the question are all Israelis Jewish?

Why won't you answer it?


Because it is a ridiculous, ignorant deflection.

Is every Baylor undergraduate Baptist ?

Is every Norte Dame undergraduate Catholic ?

Is every German Lutheran ?

Is every Japanese Shinto ?

Why don't you stop farting in the wind and disclose the origins of your obvious antisemitism ?
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 1:42a, 11/14/23
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Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
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There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


Ever lived in the Muslim world?
Ever talked to any Muslims in the Arab world?






Yes.

Have you?



You are clueless about Arabs and islam. I mean, profoundly. Like, some of the stuff you're saying is not just wrong, but the opposite of reality.


I would like to know where your deep rooted and well researched knowledge about Arabs and Islam comes from?

Have you studied the subject for years?

Do you have a degree in middle eastern studies?

Have you even been to the region?


Do you?


I'm not the one claiming that others peoples opinions about Arabs and Muslims is grossly wrong and the "opposite of reality"


What are your credentials?


I'm not making any specific claims about Arabs or Islam…despite what Whiterock thinks.

It's on those making large sweeping statements about races or religions to explain their knowledge base
But you're making specific claims about Judaism, what are your credentials? You're making very specific claims about the land in and around Israel, what are your credentials? Seriously, you're embarrassing yourself on a Waco1947 level and it's astounding you don't realize it.
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In reply to Wangchung • 8:23a, 11/14/23
Wangchung said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
whiterock said:
Redbrickbear said:
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There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


Ever lived in the Muslim world?
Ever talked to any Muslims in the Arab world?






Yes.

Have you?



You are clueless about Arabs and islam. I mean, profoundly. Like, some of the stuff you're saying is not just wrong, but the opposite of reality.


I would like to know where your deep rooted and well researched knowledge about Arabs and Islam comes from?

Have you studied the subject for years?

Do you have a degree in middle eastern studies?

Have you even been to the region?


Do you?


I'm not the one claiming that others peoples opinions about Arabs and Muslims is grossly wrong and the "opposite of reality"


What are your credentials?


I'm not making any specific claims about Arabs or Islam…despite what Whiterock thinks.

It's on those making large sweeping statements about races or religions to explain their knowledge base
But you're making specific claims about Judaism, what are your credentials? You're making very specific claims about the land in and around Israel, what are your credentials? Seriously, you're embarrassing yourself on a Waco1947 level and it's astounding you don't realize it.


I don't think I've made any specific claims around Judaism on this thread from what I can remember.

I have made more comments about Islam (none very flattering)…including pointing out that some scholars think Muhammad was a made up figure.

As for claims about the land. For instance what Bronze Age kingdom did or did not exist. What authority did or did not control the Western Levant pre-1948 I have been pretty open in sharing links to those historic facts.

But on issues like that I admit I have to take a historian at is word that the British did indeed control the area after the end of the Ottoman Empire.

I have no personal expertise/insider knowledge to the history of the region.

But I do try to read about it
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In reply to Wangchung • 8:44a, 11/14/23
Wangchung said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
whiterock said:
Redbrickbear said:
whiterock said:
Redbrickbear said:
historian said:
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There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


Ever lived in the Muslim world?
Ever talked to any Muslims in the Arab world?






Yes.

Have you?



You are clueless about Arabs and islam. I mean, profoundly. Like, some of the stuff you're saying is not just wrong, but the opposite of reality.


I would like to know where your deep rooted and well researched knowledge about Arabs and Islam comes from?

Have you studied the subject for years?

Do you have a degree in middle eastern studies?

Have you even been to the region?


Do you?


I'm not the one claiming that others peoples opinions about Arabs and Muslims is grossly wrong and the "opposite of reality"


What are your credentials?


I'm not making any specific claims about Arabs or Islam…despite what Whiterock thinks.

It's on those making large sweeping statements about races or religions to explain their knowledge base


Seriously, you're embarrassing yourself on a Waco1947 level and it's astounding you don't realize it.


Irrational hatred of Jews often embarrasses the owner.

So they attempt to mask their antisemitism with oblique comments and deflections.

My father in law played a similar self deception. Denied the nazi death camps ever existed, that Hitler was ' all that bad 'and that the Jews of Germany were 'shrewd' businessmen who played a 'long game'.
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In reply to KaiBear • 9:22a, 11/14/23
KaiBear said:
Wangchung said:
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There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


Ever lived in the Muslim world?
Ever talked to any Muslims in the Arab world?






Yes.

Have you?



You are clueless about Arabs and islam. I mean, profoundly. Like, some of the stuff you're saying is not just wrong, but the opposite of reality.


I would like to know where your deep rooted and well researched knowledge about Arabs and Islam comes from?

Have you studied the subject for years?

Do you have a degree in middle eastern studies?

Have you even been to the region?


Do you?


I'm not the one claiming that others peoples opinions about Arabs and Muslims is grossly wrong and the "opposite of reality"


What are your credentials?


I'm not making any specific claims about Arabs or Islam…despite what Whiterock thinks.

It's on those making large sweeping statements about races or religions to explain their knowledge base


Seriously, you're embarrassing yourself on a Waco1947 level and it's astounding you don't realize it.


Irrational hatred of Jews often embarrasses the owner.

So they attempt to mask their antisemitism with oblique comments and deflections.

My father in law played a similar self deception. Denied the nazi death camps ever existed, that Hitler was ' all over that bad 'and that the Jews of Germany were 'shrewd' businessmen who played a 'long game'.


Are the Nazis in the room with us right now?

ps

Arabs are also semites genius…. "peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including in particular Assyrians, Mandaeans, Arabs, Arameans, Samaritans and Jews"
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In reply to KaiBear • 9:36a, 11/14/23
KaiBear said:
Wangchung said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
whiterock said:
Redbrickbear said:
whiterock said:
Redbrickbear said:
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There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


Ever lived in the Muslim world?
Ever talked to any Muslims in the Arab world?






Yes.

Have you?



You are clueless about Arabs and islam. I mean, profoundly. Like, some of the stuff you're saying is not just wrong, but the opposite of reality.


I would like to know where your deep rooted and well researched knowledge about Arabs and Islam comes from?

Have you studied the subject for years?

Do you have a degree in middle eastern studies?

Have you even been to the region?


Do you?


I'm not the one claiming that others peoples opinions about Arabs and Muslims is grossly wrong and the "opposite of reality"


What are your credentials?


I'm not making any specific claims about Arabs or Islam…despite what Whiterock thinks.

It's on those making large sweeping statements about races or religions to explain their knowledge base


Seriously, you're embarrassing yourself on a Waco1947 level and it's astounding you don't realize it.


Irrational hatred of Jews often embarrasses the owner.

So they attempt to mask their antisemitism with oblique comments and deflections.

My father in law played a similar self deception. Denied the nazi death camps ever existed, that Hitler was ' all over that bad 'and that the Jews of Germany were 'shrewd' businessmen who played a 'long game'.
I don't think that's it in Redbrick's case. I think he learned certain "facts" a long time ago and doesn't realize the mental gymnastics he is forced into in order to keep his opinion when facing real facts. He seems like he is one decent in-person conversation away from seeing what he is missing. But in an online forum there is no compulsion to back down or re-examine.
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 9:50a, 11/14/23
Redbrickbear said:
KaiBear said:
Wangchung said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
whiterock said:
Redbrickbear said:
whiterock said:
Redbrickbear said:
historian said:
Realitybites said:
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There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


Ever lived in the Muslim world?
Ever talked to any Muslims in the Arab world?






Yes.

Have you?



You are clueless about Arabs and islam. I mean, profoundly. Like, some of the stuff you're saying is not just wrong, but the opposite of reality.


I would like to know where your deep rooted and well researched knowledge about Arabs and Islam comes from?

Have you studied the subject for years?

Do you have a degree in middle eastern studies?

Have you even been to the region?


Do you?


I'm not the one claiming that others peoples opinions about Arabs and Muslims is grossly wrong and the "opposite of reality"


What are your credentials?


I'm not making any specific claims about Arabs or Islam…despite what Whiterock thinks.

It's on those making large sweeping statements about races or religions to explain their knowledge base


Seriously, you're embarrassing yourself on a Waco1947 level and it's astounding you don't realize it.


Irrational hatred of Jews often embarrasses the owner.

So they attempt to mask their antisemitism with oblique comments and deflections.

My father in law played a similar self deception. Denied the nazi death camps ever existed, that Hitler was ' all over that bad 'and that the Jews of Germany were 'shrewd' businessmen who played a 'long game'.


Are the Nazis in the room with us right now?

ps

Arabs are also semites genius…. "peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including in particular Assyrians, Mandaeans, Arabs, Arameans, Samaritans and Jews"


Still more ridiculous deflections.

' Nazis' is the dumb man's go to for all occasions. As there were many horrible aspects of National Socialism besides the murder of over 7 million Jewish men, women and children.

You are an antisemite. There are worse things.

As long as you don't practice your bigotry beyond the posting of ridiculous tripe on a university fan site.



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In reply to Wangchung • 9:52a, 11/14/23
Wangchung said:
KaiBear said:
Wangchung said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
whiterock said:
Redbrickbear said:
whiterock said:
Redbrickbear said:
historian said:
Realitybites said:
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There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


Ever lived in the Muslim world?
Ever talked to any Muslims in the Arab world?






Yes.

Have you?



You are clueless about Arabs and islam. I mean, profoundly. Like, some of the stuff you're saying is not just wrong, but the opposite of reality.


I would like to know where your deep rooted and well researched knowledge about Arabs and Islam comes from?

Have you studied the subject for years?

Do you have a degree in middle eastern studies?

Have you even been to the region?


Do you?


I'm not the one claiming that others peoples opinions about Arabs and Muslims is grossly wrong and the "opposite of reality"


What are your credentials?


I'm not making any specific claims about Arabs or Islam…despite what Whiterock thinks.

It's on those making large sweeping statements about races or religions to explain their knowledge base


Seriously, you're embarrassing yourself on a Waco1947 level and it's astounding you don't realize it.


Irrational hatred of Jews often embarrasses the owner.

So they attempt to mask their antisemitism with oblique comments and deflections.

My father in law played a similar self deception. Denied the nazi death camps ever existed, that Hitler was ' all over that bad 'and that the Jews of Germany were 'shrewd' businessmen who played a 'long game'.
I don't think that's it in Redbrick's case. I think he learned certain "facts" a long time ago and doesn't realize the mental gymnastics he is forced into in order to keep his opinion when facing real facts. He seems like he is one decent in-person conversation away from seeing what he is missing. But in an online forum there is no compulsion to back down or re-examine.


Well said.

I agree, he appears to be a decent person.

So was my father in law.
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KaiBear said:
Wangchung said:
Redbrickbear said:
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Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
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Redbrickbear said:
whiterock said:
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There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


Ever lived in the Muslim world?
Ever talked to any Muslims in the Arab world?






Yes.

Have you?



You are clueless about Arabs and islam. I mean, profoundly. Like, some of the stuff you're saying is not just wrong, but the opposite of reality.


I would like to know where your deep rooted and well researched knowledge about Arabs and Islam comes from?

Have you studied the subject for years?

Do you have a degree in middle eastern studies?

Have you even been to the region?


Do you?


I'm not the one claiming that others peoples opinions about Arabs and Muslims is grossly wrong and the "opposite of reality"


What are your credentials?


I'm not making any specific claims about Arabs or Islam…despite what Whiterock thinks.

It's on those making large sweeping statements about races or religions to explain their knowledge base


Seriously, you're embarrassing yourself on a Waco1947 level and it's astounding you don't realize it.


Irrational hatred of Jews often embarrasses the owner.

So they attempt to mask their antisemitism with oblique comments and deflections.

My father in law played a similar self deception. Denied the nazi death camps ever existed, that Hitler was ' all over that bad 'and that the Jews of Germany were 'shrewd' businessmen who played a 'long game'.


Arabs are also semites genius…. "peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including in particular Assyrians, Mandaeans, Arabs, Arameans, Samaritans and Jews"
You need to educate the Muslim law groups about arabs being semites.

Muslim Law Groups Accuse Major Firms of Fanning 'Islamophobia' by Condemning Antisemitism

After dozens of U.S. law firms issued a joint statement denouncing campus antisemitism, Muslim legal groups sent a response letter to some 100 major firms claiming they are contributing to "an environment of Islamophobia and anti-Arab sentiment."

"Some firms' uneven treatment of this highly sensitive issue is sadly dehumanizing Palestinian, Arab and Muslim lives, creating a workplace that is less inclusive, less welcoming and more hostile," the group wrote in a letter first obtained by the New York Times. The American Muslim Bar Association (AMBA), the National Association of Muslim Lawyers, and nearly a dozen other Muslim legal groups signed onto the letter.

While the National Association of Muslim Lawyers has shared messages condemning antisemitism and Islamophobia in recent weeks on social-media, AMBA has taken a different approach, supporting protesters removed from Congress for opposing "THE BIDEN DEATH PACKAGE" to Israel and demanding "From Palestine to Mexico, all the walls have got to go!"

Less than a week after Hamas's surprise invasion of Israel and before Israeli forces had invaded the Gaza Strip the group released a public letter accusing the Jewish State of "intentionally targeting civilian infrastructure." "[O]ur U.S. Administration is funding Israel's genocide," AMBA declared in a statement on October 13 without a single reference to Hamas or the atrocities of October 7.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/muslim-law-groups-accuse-major-firms-of-fanning-islamophobia-by-condemning-antisemitism/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=hero&utm_content=related&utm_term=first





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11:24a, 11/14/23
I honestly don't understand the sympathy with Hams other than inherent anti-Jewish sentiment, which this conflict has uncovered across the world.

Amazing how much anti-Jewish hate is on the left and radical left.
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 11:35a, 11/14/23
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Arabs are also semites genius…. "peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including in particular Assyrians, Mandaeans, Arabs, Arameans, Samaritans and Jews"
While that might be correct, antisemitism is defined as hatred of Jews.

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In reply to Osodecentx • 11:38a, 11/14/23
Islam is a religion and people from a variety of ethnic groups are members, not only Arabs: Persians (Iran), Turks, people of African descent in America (Black Muslims), Somali, Sudanese, Indonesians, the different ethnicities of Afghanistan and the other Central Asian countries, and many others.
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In reply to Harrison Bergeron • 11:40a, 11/14/23
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I honestly don't understand the sympathy with Hams other than inherent anti-Jewish sentiment, which this conflict has uncovered across the world.

Amazing how much anti-Jewish hate is on the left and radical left.
When one understands that fascism is an ideology of the left and a variation of socialism, then it is easier to understand--although not all fascists were antisemites (Italy under Mussolini, for example).
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In reply to historian • 11:41a, 11/14/23
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Islam is a religion and people from a variety of ethnic groups are members, not only Arabs: Persians (Iran), Turks, people of African descent in America (Black Muslims), Somali, Sudanese, Indonesians, the different ethnicities of Afghanistan and the other Central Asian countries, and many others.
Not to mention the Uyghurs, which I guess are Turkish ethnically.
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In reply to historian • 11:54a, 11/14/23
historian said:
Redbrickbear said:
Arabs are also semites genius…. "peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including in particular Assyrians, Mandaeans, Arabs, Arameans, Samaritans and Jews"
While that might be correct, antisemitism is defined as hatred of Jews.



Sure…because it's a political term.

It just funny to hear people calling the Arabs anti-semites when they of course are a Semitic people

It would be like saying that Poles who don't like Russians are anti-Slavic….when the Poles of course are also Slavs (West Slavs)
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historian said:
Redbrickbear said:
Arabs are also semites genius…. "peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including in particular Assyrians, Mandaeans, Arabs, Arameans, Samaritans and Jews"
While that might be correct, antisemitism is defined as hatred of Jews.



Sure…because it's a political term.

It just funny to hear people calling the Arabs anti-semites when they of course are a Semitic people

It would be like saying that Poles who don't like Russians are anti-Slavic….when the Poles of course are also Slavs (West Slavs)
While I do not agree with many of your comments here, I have had your same thought about "anti-Semitism" for many years and the obnoxiousness of it.
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In reply to Harrison Bergeron • 12:33p, 11/14/23
Harrison Bergeron said:
Redbrickbear said:
historian said:
Redbrickbear said:
Arabs are also semites genius…. "peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including in particular Assyrians, Mandaeans, Arabs, Arameans, Samaritans and Jews"
While that might be correct, antisemitism is defined as hatred of Jews.



Sure…because it's a political term.

It just funny to hear people calling the Arabs anti-semites when they of course are a Semitic people

It would be like saying that Poles who don't like Russians are anti-Slavic….when the Poles of course are also Slavs (West Slavs)
While I do not agree with many of your comments here, I have had your same thought about "anti-Semitism" for many years and the obnoxiousness of it.


Like hearing people bring up legitimate criticism of Muslims or Islam only to be labeled "Islamophobic"

You can tell a political game is afoot
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Harrison Bergeron said:
Redbrickbear said:
historian said:
Redbrickbear said:
Arabs are also semites genius…. "peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including in particular Assyrians, Mandaeans, Arabs, Arameans, Samaritans and Jews"
While that might be correct, antisemitism is defined as hatred of Jews.



Sure…because it's a political term.

It just funny to hear people calling the Arabs anti-semites when they of course are a Semitic people

It would be like saying that Poles who don't like Russians are anti-Slavic….when the Poles of course are also Slavs (West Slavs)
While I do not agree with many of your comments here, I have had your same thought about "anti-Semitism" for many years and the obnoxiousness of it.


Like hearing people bring up legitimate criticism of Muslims or Islam only to be labeled "Islamophobic"

You can tell a political game is afoot
Not fully tracking but certain there is always a political game afoot.
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In reply to historian • 1:18p, 11/14/23
historian said:
Harrison Bergeron said:
I honestly don't understand the sympathy with Hams other than inherent anti-Jewish sentiment, which this conflict has uncovered across the world.

Amazing how much anti-Jewish hate is on the left and radical left.
When one understands that fascism is an ideology of the left and a variation of socialism, then it is easier to understand--although not all fascists were antisemites (Italy under Mussolini, for example).


Nice catch about Mussolini.

What was Victor Franco's position toward Jews ?

Guessing most of the relatively few Jews in Spain were Loyalists .
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In reply to Harrison Bergeron • 2:18p, 11/14/23
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historian said:
Islam is a religion and people from a variety of ethnic groups are members, not only Arabs: Persians (Iran), Turks, people of African descent in America (Black Muslims), Somali, Sudanese, Indonesians, the different ethnicities of Afghanistan and the other Central Asian countries, and many others.
Not to mention the Uyghurs, which I guess are Turkish ethnically.

Good point although I am unsure of their ethnicity.
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