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Obama is human. Of course he made mistakes but point taken. I should have said "mistakes and crimes" because he had plenty of both.

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just so you know... i wasn't being critical of you at all.

I was just using your words to make a point that people often do not realize about Obama.

I am sorry if my post seemed like a harsh criticism of your words... that really wasn't my intention.

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Thank you. I didn't realize that. Your post was spot on.

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The Usual Suspects: "Israel is an ethnostate."

Response: "Israel has Arab citizens and Arab members of the Knesset."

Definition of Ethnostate: a sovereign state of which citizenship is restricted to members of a particular racial or ethnic group.

The Usual Suspects: Derp! Er uh.

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[Advocating for Israel specifically as a Jewish state directly and indirectly conflicts with the notion that states should represent and treat all their citizens equally, which is at the heart of democracy, an issue that Biden has made central for his administration and its foreign policy. First, there is the obvious issue of a citizen's sense of belonging to a state defined in terms that exclude them. More centrally, this formulation privileges Jewishness even of non-citizens over citizenship of non-Jews in some important ways. For example, a Jew who is a non-citizen, with no relatives in Israel, and no direct connection to the state or to the land, has the automatic right to citizenship, and to assets bestowed by the state to go along with it, while a relative even a spouse of a non-Jewish citizen of Israel does not have a similar right.]

[…this notion has had the consequence of reinforcing a sense of entitlement in Israel that has affected public attitudes and failed to halt a slippery slope toward Jewish supremacy. This goes beyond the rise of the Jewish far-right groups, now represented in the Knesset, that actively advocate for expelling Palestinians including those who are citizens from Israel. Consider the 2018 nation-state law that was passed during the Trump administration, without American protest, which makes no reference to democracy and proclaims that only Jews have the right to self-determination in Israel. And consider that 79% of Israeli Jews, according to a major 2016 Pew Research Center poll, say that Jews in Israel are entitled to privileges over non-Jews, and that 48% agree that "Arabs should be expelled or transferred" from Israel.]

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/america-must-rethink-its-unique-and-contradictory-advocacy-of-israels-jewishness/

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I thought you posted weeks ago that you had no issue with Jews having their own state?

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I don't have a problem with any ethnic group on earth having an ethno-state.

It's very interesting that you are offended at the very idea that Israel might be such a state….

We have guys on this thread doing back flips to obscure the obvious

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I just disagree. What about 21% Arabs and hundreds of thousands of more legal workers do you not understand? Heck, we have a hire % of Christians than Israel does Jews.

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[63%

Christianity is the most prevalent religion in the United States. Estimates from 2021 suggest that of the entire U.S. population about 63% is Christian ]

[73.5%

Jews make up the majority at 73.5% (about 7.145 million individuals) of the population of Israel]


[Currently, Israel has a population of 9.2 million. By 2050, the forecast said, that will rise to 15.68 million, almost 82 percent of them Jews. A Third of Israeli Jews Will Be ultra-Orthodox by 2050, Forecast Finds

The Jewish population of the West Bank is expected to more than double by 2050]

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I should have been more clear. I was referring to actual faith/religion. In Israel, about 1/4 of Jews do not believe in God at all, and far more than that do not in any way identify with or practice the Jewish faith.

I'm actually surprised, however, how close even the raw numbers are. Most polls in the U.S. have it around 67 - 70% Christian. That's darn close to just the raw Jewish (born) totals in Israel.

I don't know much about ultra-orthodox stats, but a quick search shows most predictions are for 25% in 2050.

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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The Usual Suspects: "Israel is an ethnostate."

Response: "Israel has Arab citizens and Arab members of the Knesset."

Definition of Ethnostate: a sovereign state of which citizenship is restricted to members of a particular racial or ethnic group.

The Usual Suspects: Derp! Er uh.

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[Advocating for Israel specifically as a Jewish state directly and indirectly conflicts with the notion that states should represent and treat all their citizens equally, which is at the heart of democracy, an issue that Biden has made central for his administration and its foreign policy. First, there is the obvious issue of a citizen's sense of belonging to a state defined in terms that exclude them. More centrally, this formulation privileges Jewishness even of non-citizens over citizenship of non-Jews in some important ways. For example, a Jew who is a non-citizen, with no relatives in Israel, and no direct connection to the state or to the land, has the automatic right to citizenship, and to assets bestowed by the state to go along with it, while a relative even a spouse of a non-Jewish citizen of Israel does not have a similar right.]

[…this notion has had the consequence of reinforcing a sense of entitlement in Israel that has affected public attitudes and failed to halt a slippery slope toward Jewish supremacy. This goes beyond the rise of the Jewish far-right groups, now represented in the Knesset, that actively advocate for expelling Palestinians including those who are citizens from Israel. Consider the 2018 nation-state law that was passed during the Trump administration, without American protest, which makes no reference to democracy and proclaims that only Jews have the right to self-determination in Israel. And consider that 79% of Israeli Jews, according to a major 2016 Pew Research Center poll, say that Jews in Israel are entitled to privileges over non-Jews, and that 48% agree that "Arabs should be expelled or transferred" from Israel.]

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/america-must-rethink-its-unique-and-contradictory-advocacy-of-israels-jewishness/

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I thought you posted weeks ago that you had no issue with Jews having their own state?

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I don't have a problem with any ethnic group on earth having an ethno-state.

It's very interesting that you are offended at the very idea that Israel might be such a state….

We have guys on this thread doing back flips to obscure the obvious

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I just disagree. What about 21% Arabs and hundreds of thousands of more legal workers do you not understand? Heck, we have a hire % of Christians than Israel does Jews.

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[63%

Christianity is the most prevalent religion in the United States. Estimates from 2021 suggest that of the entire U.S. population about 63% is Christian ]

[73.5%

Jews make up the majority at 73.5% (about 7.145 million individuals) of the population of Israel]


[Currently, Israel has a population of 9.2 million. By 2050, the forecast said, that will rise to 15.68 million, almost 82 percent of them Jews. A Third of Israeli Jews Will Be ultra-Orthodox by 2050, Forecast Finds

The Jewish population of the West Bank is expected to more than double by 2050]

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I should have been more clear. I was referring to actual faith/religion. In Israel, about 1/4 of Jews do not believe in God at all, and far more than that do not in any way identify with or practice the Jewish faith.

I'm actually surprised, however, how close even the raw numbers are. Most polls in the U.S. have it around 67 - 70% Christian. That's darn close to just the raw Jewish (born) totals in Israel.

I don't know much about ultra-orthodox stats, but a quick search shows most predictions are for 25% in 2050.

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What was interesting in looking up ethnic groups in that area is that Persian are barely a majority of Iran

[Iranian Persians, who make up 51% of Iran's population, dominate the central government of Iran. Persians live in major provinces in Iran such as Tehran, Isfahan, Kerman, Yazd and Fars.]

Others claims it's 61%….still nothing like what many people think

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sombear said:

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In Israel, about 1/4 of Jews do not believe in God at all, and far more than that do not in any way identify with or practice the Jewish faith.

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And yet to the muslims... it doesn't matter. They will kill the Atheist Jews right along with the Orthodox Jews.

The muslims hate the Jews, no matter what they say, do or believe... it is an irrational hatred that was first exemplified by their leader Mohammad (may he burn in hell forever).

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Practicing Muslims also have a habit of killing gays, transsexuals, women who don't follow the dictates of Muhammad, and almost any Muslim who converts to Christianity.

Yet our media rarely ( if ever ) discuss such murderous behavior.

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ShooterTX said:

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sombear said:

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In Israel, about 1/4 of Jews do not believe in God at all, and far more than that do not in any way identify with or practice the Jewish faith.

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And yet to the muslims... it doesn't matter. They will kill the Atheist Jews right along with the Orthodox Jews.

The muslims hate the Jews, no matter what they say, do or believe... it is an irrational hatred that was first exemplified by their leader Mohammad (may he burn in hell forever).

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Practicing Muslims also have a habit of killing gays, transsexuals, women who don't follow the dictates of Muhammad, and almost any Muslim who converts to Christianity.

Yet our media rarely ( if ever ) discuss such murderous behavior.

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Under sharia law, a lot of people are killed for a lot of reasons. If it sounds like a 7th century system of "justice" that's because it is. Muhammad invented Islam in 622.

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sombear said:

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In Israel, about 1/4 of Jews do not believe in God at all, and far more than that do not in any way identify with or practice the Jewish faith.

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And yet to the muslims... it doesn't matter. They will kill the Atheist Jews right along with the Orthodox Jews.

The muslims hate the Jews, no matter what they say, do or believe... it is an irrational hatred that was first exemplified by their leader Mohammad (may he burn in hell forever).

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Practicing Muslims also have a habit of killing gays, transsexuals, women who don't follow the dictates of Muhammad, and almost any Muslim who converts to Christianity.

Yet our media rarely ( if ever ) discuss such murderous behavior.

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"…have a habit of killing gays, transsexuals, women who don't follow the dictates…"

Who gives a **** about that?

Is American foreign policy supposed to be determined by trannies, queers, and other peoples views on women?

Civilized human beings care. We find it appalling when people are killed for something other than the most hideous & violent of crimes. Crimes like those Hamas committed on October 7.

Redbrickbear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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sombear said:

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In Israel, about 1/4 of Jews do not believe in God at all, and far more than that do not in any way identify with or practice the Jewish faith.

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And yet to the muslims... it doesn't matter. They will kill the Atheist Jews right along with the Orthodox Jews.

The muslims hate the Jews, no matter what they say, do or believe... it is an irrational hatred that was first exemplified by their leader Mohammad (may he burn in hell forever).

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Practicing Muslims also have a habit of killing gays, transsexuals, women who don't follow the dictates of Muhammad, and almost any Muslim who converts to Christianity.

Yet our media rarely ( if ever ) discuss such murderous behavior.

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"…have a habit of killing gays, transsexuals, women who don't follow the dictates…"

Who gives a **** about that?

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Obviously you don't.

At least when drinking the cheap *****

From the Financial Times:

"The FT reports that the war has disrupted and ravaged "thousands" of companies, many teetering on the brink of collapse, with entire sectors plunged into an unprecedented crisis.Data cited from Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics reveals a bleak reality one in three businesses have either shuttered or are operating at 20 percent capacity since Operation Al-Aqsa Flood commenced on 7 October and punched a hole in Israeli national confidence. More than half of businesses face revenue losses surpassing the 50 percent mark. The southern regions, closest to Gaza, bear the brunt, with two-thirds of businesses either closed or functioning "to a minimum.""

Bloomberg (who I don't like) puts the losses at 260 million a day. Even if that source is overestimating that number by 50 percent they are not consistent with a long war in Gaza.

More concerning is the prospect of Hezbollah opening up a second front in the spring after such losses have bled the Israeli economy for an extended period of time. That would increase the odds of the US organically entering the war or a USS Liberty style event occurring to provoke it.

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Redbrickbear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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sombear said:

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In Israel, about 1/4 of Jews do not believe in God at all, and far more than that do not in any way identify with or practice the Jewish faith.

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And yet to the muslims... it doesn't matter. They will kill the Atheist Jews right along with the Orthodox Jews.

The muslims hate the Jews, no matter what they say, do or believe... it is an irrational hatred that was first exemplified by their leader Mohammad (may he burn in hell forever).

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Practicing Muslims also have a habit of killing gays, transsexuals, women who don't follow the dictates of Muhammad, and almost any Muslim who converts to Christianity.

Yet our media rarely ( if ever ) discuss such murderous behavior.

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"…have a habit of killing gays, transsexuals, women who don't follow the dictates…"

Who gives a **** about that?

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Obviously you don't.

At least when drinking the cheap *****

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Homosexuality and transsexualism should absolutely NOT factor into American foreign policy.

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How about Gypsies, Artists, Special Ed... Should we have a matrix to make sure none of the people that are being persecuted are not homosexuals, transexuals? Sort of like when they sort cattle? Special shoots for them?

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Redbrickbear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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sombear said:

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In Israel, about 1/4 of Jews do not believe in God at all, and far more than that do not in any way identify with or practice the Jewish faith.

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And yet to the muslims... it doesn't matter. They will kill the Atheist Jews right along with the Orthodox Jews.

The muslims hate the Jews, no matter what they say, do or believe... it is an irrational hatred that was first exemplified by their leader Mohammad (may he burn in hell forever).

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Practicing Muslims also have a habit of killing gays, transsexuals, women who don't follow the dictates of Muhammad, and almost any Muslim who converts to Christianity.

Yet our media rarely ( if ever ) discuss such murderous behavior.

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"…have a habit of killing gays, transsexuals, women who don't follow the dictates…"

Who gives a **** about that?

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Obviously you don't.

At least when drinking the cheap *****

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Homosexuality and transsexualism should absolutely NOT factor into American foreign policy.

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How about Gypsies, Artists, Special Ed... Should we have a matrix to make sure none of the people that are being persecuted are not homosexuals, transexuals? Sort of like when they sort cattle? Special shoots for them?

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Speaking of persecuted peoples….we still do business with China right? Even though they endlessly persecute the Uyghurs and Tibetans.

I guess some persecuted groups matter more to DC than others….

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Redbrickbear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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sombear said:

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In Israel, about 1/4 of Jews do not believe in God at all, and far more than that do not in any way identify with or practice the Jewish faith.

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And yet to the muslims... it doesn't matter. They will kill the Atheist Jews right along with the Orthodox Jews.

The muslims hate the Jews, no matter what they say, do or believe... it is an irrational hatred that was first exemplified by their leader Mohammad (may he burn in hell forever).

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Practicing Muslims also have a habit of killing gays, transsexuals, women who don't follow the dictates of Muhammad, and almost any Muslim who converts to Christianity.

Yet our media rarely ( if ever ) discuss such murderous behavior.

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"…have a habit of killing gays, transsexuals, women who don't follow the dictates…"

Who gives a **** about that?

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Obviously you don't.

At least when drinking the cheap *****

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Homosexuality and transsexualism should absolutely NOT factor into American foreign policy.

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How about Gypsies, Artists, Special Ed... Should we have a matrix to make sure none of the people that are being persecuted are not homosexuals, transexuals? Sort of like when they sort cattle? Special shoots for them?

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Speaking of persecuted peoples….we still do business with China right? Even though they endlessly persecute the Uyghurs and Tibetans.

I guess some persecuted groups matter more to DC than others….

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So, who should in your opinion? Great and Powerful Oz, who should count?

How about we look at the what is happening, without regard for whether we approve personally of their believes? If it is a true Govt sponsored persecution, we should do something whether they are Tibetians, Trans or Jews.

The act by the Nation is the issue, not the person being persecuted. I also have no issues with an Ellis Island approach. You say you are persecuted. We ship them to Guantanamo or some Island, research issue. Pass, in. Fail, we drop off at neighboring Nation. I could care less if Gay, Trans, or any other group.

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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In Israel, about 1/4 of Jews do not believe in God at all, and far more than that do not in any way identify with or practice the Jewish faith.

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And yet to the muslims... it doesn't matter. They will kill the Atheist Jews right along with the Orthodox Jews.

The muslims hate the Jews, no matter what they say, do or believe... it is an irrational hatred that was first exemplified by their leader Mohammad (may he burn in hell forever).

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Practicing Muslims also have a habit of killing gays, transsexuals, women who don't follow the dictates of Muhammad, and almost any Muslim who converts to Christianity.

Yet our media rarely ( if ever ) discuss such murderous behavior.

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"…have a habit of killing gays, transsexuals, women who don't follow the dictates…"

Who gives a **** about that?

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Obviously you don't.

At least when drinking the cheap *****

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Homosexuality and transsexualism should absolutely NOT factor into American foreign policy.

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Your first go round included women.

Or now that the hangover is in full gear have you decided to back track ?

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Redbrickbear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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sombear said:

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In Israel, about 1/4 of Jews do not believe in God at all, and far more than that do not in any way identify with or practice the Jewish faith.

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And yet to the muslims... it doesn't matter. They will kill the Atheist Jews right along with the Orthodox Jews.

The muslims hate the Jews, no matter what they say, do or believe... it is an irrational hatred that was first exemplified by their leader Mohammad (may he burn in hell forever).

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Practicing Muslims also have a habit of killing gays, transsexuals, women who don't follow the dictates of Muhammad, and almost any Muslim who converts to Christianity.

Yet our media rarely ( if ever ) discuss such murderous behavior.

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"…have a habit of killing gays, transsexuals, women who don't follow the dictates…"

Who gives a **** about that?

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Obviously you don't.

At least when drinking the cheap *****

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Homosexuality and transsexualism should absolutely NOT factor into American foreign policy.

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Your first go round included women.

Or now that the hangover is in full gear have you decided to back track ?

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The first quote I was responding to included women.

But yes the liberal talking point around homosexuality and transsexualism struck me as particularly strange…more so than women's rights

lol…And while you might normally get black out drunk on a Friday night….I don't.

I was at my sons basketball game at 7:30am

These clowns will never get along because they believe their imaginary friend is better than the others imaginary friend. Or they don't think about his super powers the right way.

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Civilized human beings care. We find it appalling when people are killed for something other than the most hideous & violent of crimes. Crimes like those Hamas committed on October 7.

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Are you a Christian?

What are your thoughts about God pronouncing a death sentence on the entire cities of Sodom and Gomorrah for engaging in a fraction of the deviancy practiced in the west today?

What does that say about just how serious the criminal nature of such behavior is in the eyes of the lawgiver? Go read Romans 1 and 1st Corinthians 6 again.

What does that say about our future as a civilization?

Just a few Socratic questions to help realign peoples thoughts about the sort of deviance being promoted in society today.

Whatever issues we may have with Iran, how Sharia law deals with gays and trannies isn't on the list.

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You have a point: our culture is overrun with all kinds of perversion and deviancy. Romana 1 is powerful, all of it. The entire book is. Sharia law is not the answer. Killing people for every offense, including fake ones (check out how societies under sharia treat women who are victims of rape), is not the answer.

If you want to look at Christian teachings, look to Jesus Christ:

"And he said to them, you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
Matthew 22:37-39

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I'm not defending Sharia law in general, just pointing out that if people have to reach for the gay card to critique it that the civilizational battle has already been lost. Our foreign policy should not take into consideration how a nation treats its sexual deviants.

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Thank you.

Not only is that a pretty accurate summarization….it's also strange to hear "conservatives" take up the taking points of the Left.

I hope we can all agree that groups like say the Taliban in Afghanistan are bad…without having to lean on the idea that they are bad because they don't let women vote or don't like queers

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Realitybites said:

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I'm not defending Sharia law in general, just pointing out that if people have to reach for the gay card to critique it that the civilizational battle has already been lost. Our foreign policy should not take into consideration how a nation treats its sexual deviants.

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Can we mostly agree that throwing gay people off of buildings isn't ok?

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I think we can all agree that throwing anyone off of a building is not ok.
It is a strange and barbaric form of punishment.
It's just another example of how Islam is a religion for foolish, ignorant animals.

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nein51 said:

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Realitybites said:

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I'm not defending Sharia law in general, just pointing out that if people have to reach for the gay card to critique it that the civilizational battle has already been lost. Our foreign policy should not take into consideration how a nation treats its sexual deviants.

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Can we mostly agree that throwing gay people off of buildings isn't ok?

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I think we can all agree that throwing anyone off of a building is not ok.
It is a strange and barbaric form of punishment.
It's just another example of how Islam is a religion for foolish, ignorant animals.

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No disagreement here

That is a valid point but maybe our policy should take into account his a country treats it's citizens in general: countries under sharia have terrible human rights records. I am not suggesting this should be the primary or only focus. Jimmy Carter tried something like that and his foreign policy was mostly disastrous. It should not be ignored either.

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Realitybites said:

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I'm not defending Sharia law in general, just pointing out that if people have to reach for the gay card to critique it that the civilizational battle has already been lost. Our foreign policy should not take into consideration how a nation treats its sexual deviants.

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Can we mostly agree that throwing gay people off of buildings isn't ok?

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I think we can all agree that throwing anyone off of a building is not ok.
It is a strange and barbaric form of punishment.
It's just another example of how Islam is a religion for foolish, ignorant animals.

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We have to be careful about making broad declarations of large groups of people. While they is often true, there are also plenty of decent Muslims. I've read about some of thfe in recent weeks.

I'm sure I've been guilty of broad generalizations myself. It's easy to do and sometimes difficult to avoid or even realize one is doing it.

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ShooterTX said:

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nein51 said:

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Realitybites said:

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I'm not defending Sharia law in general, just pointing out that if people have to reach for the gay card to critique it that the civilizational battle has already been lost. Our foreign policy should not take into consideration how a nation treats its sexual deviants.

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Can we mostly agree that throwing gay people off of buildings isn't ok?

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I think we can all agree that throwing anyone off of a building is not ok.
It is a strange and barbaric form of punishment.
It's just another example of how Islam is a religion for foolish, ignorant animals.

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We have to be careful about making broad declarations of large groups of people. While they is often true, there are also plenty of decent Muslims. I've read about some of thfe in recent weeks.

I'm sure I've been guilty of broad generalizations myself. It's easy to do and sometimes difficult to avoid or even realize one is doing it.

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The only decent Muslims are the ones who ignore the teachings of Islam.
Jihad is a pillar of Islam. It is just as important as their daily prayers. The modern interpretation that jihad is a "personal struggle" against sin, is just as valid as the modern interpretation that the Bible supports consensual homosexuality. In other words, it's a lie.
Jihad has always been, and will always be, a violent struggle against the unbelievers. Any other interpretation is a lie.
So those decent Muslims are either ignorant or just lying.
FYI, the Koran teaches Muslims to lie to nonbelievers.

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historian said:

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ShooterTX said:

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nein51 said:

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Realitybites said:

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I'm not defending Sharia law in general, just pointing out that if people have to reach for the gay card to critique it that the civilizational battle has already been lost. Our foreign policy should not take into consideration how a nation treats its sexual deviants.

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Can we mostly agree that throwing gay people off of buildings isn't ok?

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I think we can all agree that throwing anyone off of a building is not ok.
It is a strange and barbaric form of punishment.
It's just another example of how Islam is a religion for foolish, ignorant animals.

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We have to be careful about making broad declarations of large groups of people. While they is often true, there are also plenty of decent Muslims. I've read about some of thfe in recent weeks.

I'm sure I've been guilty of broad generalizations myself. It's easy to do and sometimes difficult to avoid or even realize one is doing it.

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The only decent Muslims are the ones who ignore the teachings of Islam.
Jihad is a pillar of Islam. It is just as important as their daily prayers. The modern interpretation that jihad is a "personal struggle" against sin, is just as valid as the modern interpretation that the Bible supports consensual homosexuality. In other words, it's a lie.
Jihad has always been, and will always be, a violent struggle against the unbelievers. Any other interpretation is a lie.
So those decent Muslims are either ignorant or just lying.
FYI, the Koran teaches Muslims to lie to nonbelievers.

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100% dead on

But the majority of our undereducated masses insist on maintaining their illusions that every culture is
' just like ours '.

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ShooterTX said:

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nein51 said:

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Realitybites said:

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I'm not defending Sharia law in general, just pointing out that if people have to reach for the gay card to critique it that the civilizational battle has already been lost. Our foreign policy should not take into consideration how a nation treats its sexual deviants.

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Can we mostly agree that throwing gay people off of buildings isn't ok?

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I think we can all agree that throwing anyone off of a building is not ok.
It is a strange and barbaric form of punishment.
It's just another example of how Islam is a religion for foolish, ignorant animals.

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We have to be careful about making broad declarations of large groups of people. While they is often true, there are also plenty of decent Muslims. I've read about some of thfe in recent weeks.

I'm sure I've been guilty of broad generalizations myself. It's easy to do and sometimes difficult to avoid or even realize one is doing it.

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I spent a lot of time in the region. The issue I have is that when the opportunity comes to denounce horrible behavior by Muslims it basically never comes.

I've seen multiple examples of Muslims denouncing October 7. Were they lying? I don't know but they seemed sincere in the context.

OTOH, I am wary of the teachings & history of Islam. Both are dripping with blood.

Capt. Obvious, but the strangest response to the Oct. 7 terror attack is the weird "gays for Palestine and the bikini girls praising bid Laden. We have a country full of idiots, but that's what the Washington Post and New York Times have done to our collective IQs.

A lot of folks won’t read past the first couple paragraphs of Biden’s op-ed today - but don’t sleep on it.

In addition to calling out Hamas, it is a direct refutation of Netanyahu’s policies - almost unheard of from an American President.

free/🎁 link:https://t.co/vov74JkGI1 pic.twitter.com/DVhPuKNjlv

— ClearingTheFog (@clearing_fog) November 19, 2023

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I've seen multiple examples of Muslims denouncing October 7. Were they lying? I don't know but they seemed sincere in the context.

OTOH, I am wary of the teachings & history of Islam. Both are dripping with blood.

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Some were lying. Many are probably just unaware of the true teachings of Islam. The PR wing of islam is far different from what they teach in the mosques & schools in muslim majority nations.

Muslims in majority muslim nations do NOT denounce October 7... they celebrate it. Muslims in nations were they are a small minority, usually act very, very differently. This is a very common tactic for muslims, going back for decades. When they are the minority, they act peaceful & kind. Once they gain some power, they push for things like parallel muslim courts & judicial systems. Once they gain the majority, they push for the entire Koran and all of it's demonic teachings.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Capt. Obvious, but the strangest response to the Oct. 7 terror attack is the weird "gays for Palestine and the bikini girls praising bid Laden. We have a country full of idiots, but that's what the Washington Post and New York Times have done to our collective IQs.

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Yes.
No different than "Turkeys for Thanksgiving".

boognish_bear said:

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A lot of folks won’t read past the first couple paragraphs of Biden’s op-ed today - but don’t sleep on it.

In addition to calling out Hamas, it is a direct refutation of Netanyahu’s policies - almost unheard of from an American President.

free/🎁 link:https://t.co/vov74JkGI1 pic.twitter.com/DVhPuKNjlv

— ClearingTheFog (@clearing_fog) November 19, 2023

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What???

I read the entire thing. There is no refutation of Israel at all. It's about as strong a defense of Israel as one can imagine. In fact, I'm strongly pro-Israel, but I think he should have referenced settlements, to lay it all out there.

Regardless, unfortunately, it's all futile anyway. There simply is no way to ensure there will be no Palestinian terrorism when strong majorities support it.