Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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And then brought back. Their possession of the land is history, present, and future.

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By the action of the United Nations. The modern state of Israel shares all of the characteristics that got the original one booted out of the land a thousand years ago, and none of the characteristics of the Mosaic covenant. Put down the Hal Lindsey books.

historian said:

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ATL Bear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Realitybites said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Realitybites said:

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Entitlement changes are coming to be sure. But the last group of people a legitimate government should default against are citizens who have spent a lifetime paying into programs that government mandated by law. So first fix everything else...

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The amount paid in, even accounting for a modest IRR, and the amount paid out for most Americans is an upside down mess. No one is contributing to their SS payout, they're paying for current benefits. And don't get me started on the Medicare math.

The thing that needs to be fixed is to stop relying on Uncle Sam for your retirement.

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I have never relied on Uncle Sam or tax deferred retirement accounts for my retirement. I would be perfectly willing to surrender my claim to all future social security benefits IF they stopped taxing me for them today. Think they will make that deal? Of course not. So don't try and steal what I have paid and continue to pay for while there is one red cent left in the budget for Ukraine, Israel, USAID, and a number of other projects that only benefit government-Americans.

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The people receiving benefits are the ones stealing from you, not other budget allocated items. In fact, they are completely independent tax types and line items as far as accounting. FICA tax collections were over $1 Trillion less than what was paid out for SS and Medicare. And do you understand that nearly 50% of the defense budget consists of active and veteran benefits and income security? Unlike the rest of the defense budget, those are mandatory outlays like SS and Medicare. That is what's bankrupting the country and threatening everyone's SS and Medicare benefits.

And if you're actually telling the truth that you've never used tax deferred investments for retirement, I'm not sure what to tell you.

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Everyone has used the Government for their benefit. Be it clean water, utilities, tax code, zoning, subsidies, public school, safe food, safe travel. It is the benefit of being a US citizen. There is no way to live in a nation and not take Government benefit

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I don't have issue with government services per se. I have an issue with an out of whack scheme to pay for, or better yet not pay for them. Clean water isn't free, nor are utilities or the property within a zone, if you catch my drift. And I would agree with historian's point as to what
and whom are the best vehicles for delivery. Certain social services and military are obvious ones for government. The rest becomes an interesting thought exercise.

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Nice summary of the proper roles of government. And if the government is going to provide utilities, it should be at the local level with the feds having zero input. It's none of their business, quite literally.

As for the rest, it is generally a truism that anything they government touches it destroys, or at least seriously damages. An honest examination of its legacy proves it: education, health care, energy, transportation, etc ad nauseum.

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I agree with everything you are and the other Poster said. I have NO issues with the other spending being negotiated. But, the other part of that is having to make compromises, such as SS and Medicare. There may be some programs that need to be funded, but are not within that view of what Govt "should" fund. It is not black and white, especially if there is politics involved.

Personally, I think Halley has a much better shot at accomplishing that in the current environment than Trump or DeSantis does. Policy is one part, but the ability to implement has to be just as much of a concern. Policy with no ability to implement is worthless. Trump's one contribution was Supreme Court, but it was McConnell and the RINOs that knew HOW to work the system to deliver it. Trump and his crowd could never have pulled off Barrett...

Realitybites said:

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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And then brought back. Their possession of the land is history, present, and future.

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By the action of the United Nations. The modern state of Israel shares all of the characteristics that got the original one booted out of the land a thousand years ago, and none of the characteristics of the Mosaic covenant. Put down the Hal Lindsey books.

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I don't read Hal Lindsey. When do we get to the part where you start ranting about a Khazarian conspiracy?

BREAKING: An American warship and multiple commercial ships have come under attack in the Red Sea, the Pentagon says. It potentially marks a major escalation in a series of maritime attacks in the Mideast linked to the Israel-Hamas war. https://t.co/WhFyTqBDzi

— The Associated Press (@AP) December 3, 2023

Realitybites said:

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I don't know what Khazarian conspiracy you speak of, but I do know this:

"Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham"
- Galatians 3:9

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That is one covenant. Then there is a covenant about the land whose land it is to give and who he gave that land to.

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They owned it for about a thousand years. They were expelled from it for about a thousand years. That's history.

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And now they own it again. That's history and reality.

Realitybites said:

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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And then brought back. Their possession of the land is history, present, and future.

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By the action of the United Nations. The modern state of Israel shares all of the characteristics that got the original one booted out of the land a thousand years ago, and none of the characteristics of the Mosaic covenant. Put down the Hal Lindsey books.

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By their proclamation of the state of Israel followed by attacks from all their neighbors and Israel decisively defeating them. By any rational standard, they own the land. It was given to them by God, they lost it 2500 years ago, & they reclaimed it in 1948.

Meanwhile, their never was an independent state called Palestine. Ever. It was a Roman province, then a Byzantine province, then an Ottoman province, then a British province, and now it is an independent nation governed by the people who live there, including many Arabs.

FLBear5630 said:

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historian said:

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ATL Bear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Realitybites said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Realitybites said:

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Entitlement changes are coming to be sure. But the last group of people a legitimate government should default against are citizens who have spent a lifetime paying into programs that government mandated by law. So first fix everything else...

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The amount paid in, even accounting for a modest IRR, and the amount paid out for most Americans is an upside down mess. No one is contributing to their SS payout, they're paying for current benefits. And don't get me started on the Medicare math.

The thing that needs to be fixed is to stop relying on Uncle Sam for your retirement.

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I have never relied on Uncle Sam or tax deferred retirement accounts for my retirement. I would be perfectly willing to surrender my claim to all future social security benefits IF they stopped taxing me for them today. Think they will make that deal? Of course not. So don't try and steal what I have paid and continue to pay for while there is one red cent left in the budget for Ukraine, Israel, USAID, and a number of other projects that only benefit government-Americans.

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The people receiving benefits are the ones stealing from you, not other budget allocated items. In fact, they are completely independent tax types and line items as far as accounting. FICA tax collections were over $1 Trillion less than what was paid out for SS and Medicare. And do you understand that nearly 50% of the defense budget consists of active and veteran benefits and income security? Unlike the rest of the defense budget, those are mandatory outlays like SS and Medicare. That is what's bankrupting the country and threatening everyone's SS and Medicare benefits.

And if you're actually telling the truth that you've never used tax deferred investments for retirement, I'm not sure what to tell you.

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Everyone has used the Government for their benefit. Be it clean water, utilities, tax code, zoning, subsidies, public school, safe food, safe travel. It is the benefit of being a US citizen. There is no way to live in a nation and not take Government benefit

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I don't have issue with government services per se. I have an issue with an out of whack scheme to pay for, or better yet not pay for them. Clean water isn't free, nor are utilities or the property within a zone, if you catch my drift. And I would agree with historian's point as to what
and whom are the best vehicles for delivery. Certain social services and military are obvious ones for government. The rest becomes an interesting thought exercise.

---

Nice summary of the proper roles of government. And if the government is going to provide utilities, it should be at the local level with the feds having zero input. It's none of their business, quite literally.

As for the rest, it is generally a truism that anything they government touches it destroys, or at least seriously damages. An honest examination of its legacy proves it: education, health care, energy, transportation, etc ad nauseum.

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I agree with everything you are and the other Poster said. I have NO issues with the other spending being negotiated. But, the other part of that is having to make compromises, such as SS and Medicare. There may be some programs that need to be funded, but are not within that view of what Govt "should" fund. It is not black and white, especially if there is politics involved.

Personally, I think Halley has a much better shot at accomplishing that in the current environment than Trump or DeSantis does. Policy is one part, but the ability to implement has to be just as much of a concern. Policy with no ability to implement is worthless. Trump's one contribution was Supreme Court, but it was McConnell and the RINOs that knew HOW to work the system to deliver it. Trump and his crowd could never have pulled off Barrett...

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All good points. I'm not sure I trust Haley if that she is truly up to the task. The truth if the matter is they whomever wins needs to have plenty if people around him if her with knowhow snd willingness to implement the agenda. No one can act alone.

Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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Realitybites said:

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I don't know what Khazarian conspiracy you speak of, but I do know this:

"Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham"
- Galatians 3:9

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That is one covenant. Then there is a covenant about the land whose land it is to give and who he gave that land to.

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True. The New Testament covenant is spiritual & individual. Each person must decide whether or not to accept God's free gift of salvation.

historian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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historian said:

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ATL Bear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Realitybites said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Realitybites said:

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Entitlement changes are coming to be sure. But the last group of people a legitimate government should default against are citizens who have spent a lifetime paying into programs that government mandated by law. So first fix everything else...

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The amount paid in, even accounting for a modest IRR, and the amount paid out for most Americans is an upside down mess. No one is contributing to their SS payout, they're paying for current benefits. And don't get me started on the Medicare math.

The thing that needs to be fixed is to stop relying on Uncle Sam for your retirement.

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I have never relied on Uncle Sam or tax deferred retirement accounts for my retirement. I would be perfectly willing to surrender my claim to all future social security benefits IF they stopped taxing me for them today. Think they will make that deal? Of course not. So don't try and steal what I have paid and continue to pay for while there is one red cent left in the budget for Ukraine, Israel, USAID, and a number of other projects that only benefit government-Americans.

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The people receiving benefits are the ones stealing from you, not other budget allocated items. In fact, they are completely independent tax types and line items as far as accounting. FICA tax collections were over $1 Trillion less than what was paid out for SS and Medicare. And do you understand that nearly 50% of the defense budget consists of active and veteran benefits and income security? Unlike the rest of the defense budget, those are mandatory outlays like SS and Medicare. That is what's bankrupting the country and threatening everyone's SS and Medicare benefits.

And if you're actually telling the truth that you've never used tax deferred investments for retirement, I'm not sure what to tell you.

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Everyone has used the Government for their benefit. Be it clean water, utilities, tax code, zoning, subsidies, public school, safe food, safe travel. It is the benefit of being a US citizen. There is no way to live in a nation and not take Government benefit

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I don't have issue with government services per se. I have an issue with an out of whack scheme to pay for, or better yet not pay for them. Clean water isn't free, nor are utilities or the property within a zone, if you catch my drift. And I would agree with historian's point as to what
and whom are the best vehicles for delivery. Certain social services and military are obvious ones for government. The rest becomes an interesting thought exercise.

---

Nice summary of the proper roles of government. And if the government is going to provide utilities, it should be at the local level with the feds having zero input. It's none of their business, quite literally.

As for the rest, it is generally a truism that anything they government touches it destroys, or at least seriously damages. An honest examination of its legacy proves it: education, health care, energy, transportation, etc ad nauseum.

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I agree with everything you are and the other Poster said. I have NO issues with the other spending being negotiated. But, the other part of that is having to make compromises, such as SS and Medicare. There may be some programs that need to be funded, but are not within that view of what Govt "should" fund. It is not black and white, especially if there is politics involved.

Personally, I think Halley has a much better shot at accomplishing that in the current environment than Trump or DeSantis does. Policy is one part, but the ability to implement has to be just as much of a concern. Policy with no ability to implement is worthless. Trump's one contribution was Supreme Court, but it was McConnell and the RINOs that knew HOW to work the system to deliver it. Trump and his crowd could never have pulled off Barrett...

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All good points. I'm not sure I trust Haley if that she is truly up to the task. The truth if the matter is they whomever wins needs to have plenty if people around him if her with knowhow snd willingness to implement the agenda. No one can act alone.

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Haley will be fine in foreign affairs. I share your concerns about her on domestic policy. To the extent "the swamp" is high on one's list of concerns, she is among the top four candidates the one least likely to confront it on any given policy area.

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By their proclamation of the state of Israel followed by attacks from all their neighbors and Israel decisively defeating them. By any rational standard, they own the land. It was given rot then by God, they lost it 2500 years ago, & they reclaimed it in 1948.

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None of this is an excuse for Islam, the behavior of Hamas, etc.

However.

There is no question that after God made a covenant with Moses and established Israel, that Israel betrayed God, crucified the Messiah he sent, had their nation destroyed at the hands of the Romans, were expelled from the land and remained expelled for the better part of two millenia.

There is no question that practicing the religion described in Leviticus and Deuteronomy and practiced by David and Solomon (among others) has been a physical impossibility for the better part of the last two millenia and this situation has continued throughout the present day.

Can we agree on these as baseline established historical facts?

Realitybites said:

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historian said:

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By their proclamation of the state of Israel followed by attacks from all their neighbors and Israel decisively defeating them. By any rational standard, they own the land. It was given rot then by God, they lost it 2500 years ago, & they reclaimed it in 1948.

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None of this is an excuse for Islam, the behavior of Hamas, etc.

However.

There is no question that after God made a covenant with Moses and established Israel, that Israel betrayed God, crucified the Messiah he sent, had their nation destroyed at the hands of the Romans, were expelled from the land and remained expelled for the better part of two millenia.

There is no question that practicing the religion described in Leviticus and Deuteronomy and practiced by David and Solomon (among others) has been a physical impossibility for the better part of the last two millenia and this situation has continued throughout the present day.

Can we agree on these as baseline established historical facts?

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There is very little historical 'fact' regarding the middle east; as everything depends on one's cultural perspective.

Bottom line:

Force of arms has always decided who 'owns' the land and will always be the case.

Realitybites said:

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historian said:

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By their proclamation of the state of Israel followed by attacks from all their neighbors and Israel decisively defeating them. By any rational standard, they own the land. It was given rot then by God, they lost it 2500 years ago, & they reclaimed it in 1948.

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None of this is an excuse for Islam, the behavior of Hamas, etc.

However.

There is no question that after God made a covenant with Moses and established Israel, that Israel betrayed God, crucified the Messiah he sent, had their nation destroyed at the hands of the Romans, were expelled from the land and remained expelled for the better part of two millenia.

There is no question that practicing the religion described in Leviticus and Deuteronomy and practiced by David and Solomon (among others) has been a physical impossibility for the better part of the last two millenia and this situation has continued throughout the present day.

Can we agree on these as baseline established historical facts?

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The basic facts are correct. However, it's quite possible that the restoration of the state of Israel represents the fulfillment of ancient prophecy. Given the 75 year history of the modern state, it's difficult to avoid the conclusion that God is moving in these events, even it doesn't not involve prophecy. This is especially true with the Six Day War in 1967 when they faced attacks on 3 sides by enemies surrounding ding them. They were outmanned & outgunned overwhelmingly and still managed to defeat Egypt, Syria & Jordan in less than a week! That was nothing short of miraculous.

On a side note, this is also when Israel began occupying the Golan Heights, Judea & Samaria (aka the "West Bank"), Gaza, and the Sinai Peninsula. The so-called "occupied territories." They won these territories through conquest of enemies threatening to destroy and annihilate them. In 2023 it is silly to repeat Islamofascist propaganda about "occupied territories." Doing so is arguably antisemitic.

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Force of arms has always decided who 'owns' the land and will always be the case.

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Sure. But what I'm hearing here is a distinct "divine right of modern practitioners of Rabbinic Talmudism to the land that Biblical Israel had." That's a very different and distinct argument from "might makes right."

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It interesting that the old Zionists came within a small number of votes of choosing Uganda instead.

I always wonder how that gets explained to radical Israeli settlers...or if they just don't talk about it.

[Joseph Chamberlain and Theodor Herzl were acquainted through the Rothschild brothers. Initially, Herzl proposed a plan to the Colonial Secretary for Jewish settlement in Cyprus, the Sinai peninsula, or El Arish. However, Chamberlain deemed Herzl's proposal impractical since these territories were either inhabited or not under British control. Nevertheless, he agreed to discuss the El Arish plan with Lord Lansdowne, the Foreign Secretary, believing it could gain the support of world Jewry for Britain. Chamberlain left London in December 1902 to tour South Africa and stopped in Mombasa...

Leopold Greenberg acted as Herzl's main representative in the negotiations, and together they hoped to gain de facto diplomatic recognition from Great Britain, making the proposal's political value immense. Despite East Africa's lack of moral and historical significance to Jews, the East Africa plan held the most promise compared to the other plans. Greenberg successfully obtained a letter from the Foreign Office expressing the British government's willingness to establish a Jewish colony with considerable land, local autonomy, and religious and domestic freedom under its general control. In the Sixth Zionist Congress, which took place in 1903 in Basel, Herzl presented the proposal and the Congress voted in favor of sending a fact-finding group to East Africa

The Uganda Program was finally rejected by the Zionist movement at the Seventh Zionist Congress in 1905 by less than 20 votes.]

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Force of arms has always decided who 'owns' the land and will always be the case.

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Sure. But what I'm hearing here is a distinct "divine right of modern practitioners of Rabbinic Talmudism to the land that Biblical Israel had." That's a very different and distinct argument from "might makes right."

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I think the 7 day war in 1967 gives Israel a pro "might make right" argument.

Six Day War

I stand corrected. It was the Six day war in 1967.

June 1967

user name checks out!

Rep. Massie, you’re a sitting Member of Congress.

This is antisemitic, disgusting, dangerous, and exactly the type of thing I was talking about in my Senate address.

Take this down. https://t.co/jVX0NMdISI

— Chuck Schumer (@SenSchumer) December 5, 2023

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Force of arms has always decided who 'owns' the land and will always be the case.

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Sure. But what I'm hearing here is a distinct "divine right of modern practitioners of Rabbinic Talmudism to the land that Biblical Israel had." That's a very different and distinct argument from "might makes right."

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Can't both beliefs be correct ?

Redbrickbear said:

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Rep. Massie, you’re a sitting Member of Congress.

This is antisemitic, disgusting, dangerous, and exactly the type of thing I was talking about in my Senate address.

Take this down. https://t.co/jVX0NMdISI

— Chuck Schumer (@SenSchumer) December 5, 2023

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Massie has been awesome lately.

Using the same logic behind the democrats claims that Trump implemented a Muslim ban, Biden has just implemented a Jewish ban.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rare-action-against-israel-us-174821212.html

In a rare action against Israel, US says extremist West Bank settlers will be barred from America

Wangchung said:

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Using the same logic behind the democrats claims that Trump implemented a Muslim ban, Biden has just implemented a Jewish ban.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rare-action-against-israel-us-174821212.html

In a rare action against Israel, US says extremist West Bank settlers will be barred from America

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Good! As it should be.

Close the border, Joe Biden! You broke it MF!!! Make an effort to fix it.

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Wangchung said:

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Using the same logic behind the democrats claims that Trump implemented a Muslim ban, Biden has just implemented a Jewish ban.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rare-action-against-israel-us-174821212.html

In a rare action against Israel, US says extremist West Bank settlers will be barred from America

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Good! As it should be.

Close the border, Joe Biden! You broke it MF!!! Make an effort to fix it.

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Nope, it's blatant hypocrisy by democrats and the media and must be acknowledged.

HAMAS HAS LUXURY TUNNELS: HAMAS officials in their underground command post. Everyone with the Red HAMAS triangle is dead. The rest will soon follow.
Then maybe we can #FreePalestine from the rest of the terrorists? pic.twitter.com/FmpnHIb13B

— Malcolm Nance (@MalcolmNance) December 6, 2023

Wangchung said:

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Biden has just implemented a Jewish ban.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rare-action-against-israel-us-174821212.html

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Have you seen his cabinet?

I seriously doubt anti-Jewish prejudice was an issue in a majority Jewish Cabinet in the White House.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jews-in-the-biden-administration#google_vignette

Joe Biden was sworn in as the 46th president of the United States on January 20, 2021.
Ron Klain
Chief of Staff (2021-2023), replaced by Jeffrey Zients.
Janet Yellin
Secretary of Treasury
Alejandro Mayorkas
Secretary of Homeland Security
Tony Blinken
Secretary of State
Merrick Garland
Attorney General
Jared Bernstein
Council of Economic Advisers
Mandy Cohen
Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (2023) replaced Rochelle Walensky
Rochelle Walensky
Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (2021-2023)
Wendy Sherman
Deputy Secretary of State
Anne Neuberger
Deputy National Security Adviser for Cybersecurity
Jeffrey Zients
COVID-19 Response Coordinator (2021-2023), Chief of Staff (2023)
David Kessler
Co-chair of the COVID-19 Advisory Board and Head of Operation Warp Speed
David Cohen
CIA Deputy Director
Avril Haines
Director of National Intelligence
Rachel Levine
Deputy Health Secretary
Jennifer Klein
Co-chair Council on Gender Policy
Jessica Rosenworcel
Chair of the Federal Communications Commission
Stephanie Pollack
Deputy Administrator of the Federal Highway Administration
Polly Trottenberg
Deputy Secretary of Transportation
Mira Resnick
State Department Deputy Assistant Secretary for Regional Security
Roberta Jacobson
National Security Council "border czar"
Gary Gensler
Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) Chairman*
Genine Macks Fidler
National Council on the Humanities
Shelley Greenspan
White House liaison to the Jewish community
Jack Lew
U.S. Ambassador to Israel (replaced Thomas Nides)
Eric Garcetti
U.S. Ambassador to India
Amy Gutmann
U.S. Ambassador to Germany
David Cohen
U.S. Ambassador to Canada
Mark Gitenstein
U.S. Ambassador to the European Union
Deborah Lipstadt
Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism
Jonathan Kaplan
U.S. Ambassador to Singapore
Marc Stanley
U.S. Ambassador to Argentina
Rahm Emanuel
U.S. Ambassador to Japan
Sharon Kleinbaum
Commissioner of the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom
Dan Shapiro
Adviser on Iran (2021-2023), Senior Advisor for Regional Jntegration (2023)
Alan Leventhal
U.S. Ambassador to Denmark
Michael Adler
U.S. Ambassador to Belgium
Michle Taylor
U.S. Representative to the United Nations Human Rights Council
Jonathan Kanter
Assistant Attorney General in the United States Department of Justice Antitrust Division
Jed Kolko
Under Secretary of Commerce for Economic Affairs at the Department of Commerce
Aaron Keyak
Deputy Envoy to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism
Stuart Eizenstat
Special Adviser on Holocaust Issues
Steven Dettelbach
Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
Amos Hochstein
Bureau of Energy Resources Special Envoy
Eric Lander
Science and Technology Adviser
Ned Price**
State Department Spokesperson
Ellen Germain
U.S. Special Envoy for Holocaust Issues
Edward Siskel
White House Counsel
*Nominated by Biden but serves a five-year term and not technically a member of the administration.
**Price has a Jewish father and Christian mother and identifies as Jewish.

Redbrickbear said:

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Wangchung said:

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Biden has just implemented a Jewish ban.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rare-action-against-israel-us-174821212.html

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Have you seen his cabinet?

I seriously doubt anti-Jewish prejudice was an issue in a majority Jewish Cabinet in the White House.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jews-in-the-biden-administration#google_vignette

Joe Biden was sworn in as the 46th president of the United States on January 20, 2021.
Ron Klain
Chief of Staff (2021-2023), replaced by Jeffrey Zients.
Janet Yellin
Secretary of Treasury
Alejandro Mayorkas
Secretary of Homeland Security
Tony Blinken
Secretary of State
Merrick Garland
Attorney General
Jared Bernstein
Council of Economic Advisers
Mandy Cohen
Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (2023) replaced Rochelle Walensky
Rochelle Walensky
Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (2021-2023)
Wendy Sherman
Deputy Secretary of State
Anne Neuberger
Deputy National Security Adviser for Cybersecurity
Jeffrey Zients
COVID-19 Response Coordinator (2021-2023), Chief of Staff (2023)
David Kessler
Co-chair of the COVID-19 Advisory Board and Head of Operation Warp Speed
David Cohen
CIA Deputy Director
Avril Haines
Director of National Intelligence
Rachel Levine
Deputy Health Secretary
Jennifer Klein
Co-chair Council on Gender Policy
Jessica Rosenworcel
Chair of the Federal Communications Commission
Stephanie Pollack
Deputy Administrator of the Federal Highway Administration
Polly Trottenberg
Deputy Secretary of Transportation
Mira Resnick
State Department Deputy Assistant Secretary for Regional Security
Roberta Jacobson
National Security Council "border czar"
Gary Gensler
Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) Chairman*
Genine Macks Fidler
National Council on the Humanities
Shelley Greenspan
White House liaison to the Jewish community
Jack Lew
U.S. Ambassador to Israel (replaced Thomas Nides)
Eric Garcetti
U.S. Ambassador to India
Amy Gutmann
U.S. Ambassador to Germany
David Cohen
U.S. Ambassador to Canada
Mark Gitenstein
U.S. Ambassador to the European Union
Deborah Lipstadt
Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism
Jonathan Kaplan
U.S. Ambassador to Singapore
Marc Stanley
U.S. Ambassador to Argentina
Rahm Emanuel
U.S. Ambassador to Japan
Sharon Kleinbaum
Commissioner of the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom
Dan Shapiro
Adviser on Iran (2021-2023), Senior Advisor for Regional Jntegration (2023)
Alan Leventhal
U.S. Ambassador to Denmark
Michael Adler
U.S. Ambassador to Belgium
Michle Taylor
U.S. Representative to the United Nations Human Rights Council
Jonathan Kanter
Assistant Attorney General in the United States Department of Justice Antitrust Division
Jed Kolko
Under Secretary of Commerce for Economic Affairs at the Department of Commerce
Aaron Keyak
Deputy Envoy to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism
Stuart Eizenstat
Special Adviser on Holocaust Issues
Steven Dettelbach
Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
Amos Hochstein
Bureau of Energy Resources Special Envoy
Eric Lander
Science and Technology Adviser
Ned Price**
State Department Spokesperson
Ellen Germain
U.S. Special Envoy for Holocaust Issues
Edward Siskel
White House Counsel
*Nominated by Biden but serves a five-year term and not technically a member of the administration.
**Price has a Jewish father and Christian mother and identifies as Jewish.

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Doesn't matter. All that matters is Biden placed a ban on Jewish refugees. Details are for racists or fascists or whatever defense democrats give whenever they claim Trump implemented a Muslim ban.

Wangchung said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Wangchung said:

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Biden has just implemented a Jewish ban.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rare-action-against-israel-us-174821212.html

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Have you seen his cabinet?

I seriously doubt anti-Jewish prejudice was an issue in a majority Jewish Cabinet in the White House.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jews-in-the-biden-administration#google_vignette

Joe Biden was sworn in as the 46th president of the United States on January 20, 2021.
Ron Klain
Chief of Staff (2021-2023), replaced by Jeffrey Zients.
Janet Yellin
Secretary of Treasury
Alejandro Mayorkas
Secretary of Homeland Security
Tony Blinken
Secretary of State
Merrick Garland
Attorney General
Jared Bernstein
Council of Economic Advisers
Mandy Cohen
Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (2023) replaced Rochelle Walensky
Rochelle Walensky
Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (2021-2023)
Wendy Sherman
Deputy Secretary of State
Anne Neuberger
Deputy National Security Adviser for Cybersecurity
Jeffrey Zients
COVID-19 Response Coordinator (2021-2023), Chief of Staff (2023)
David Kessler
Co-chair of the COVID-19 Advisory Board and Head of Operation Warp Speed
David Cohen
CIA Deputy Director
Avril Haines
Director of National Intelligence
Rachel Levine
Deputy Health Secretary
Jennifer Klein
Co-chair Council on Gender Policy
Jessica Rosenworcel
Chair of the Federal Communications Commission
Stephanie Pollack
Deputy Administrator of the Federal Highway Administration
Polly Trottenberg
Deputy Secretary of Transportation
Mira Resnick
State Department Deputy Assistant Secretary for Regional Security
Roberta Jacobson
National Security Council "border czar"
Gary Gensler
Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) Chairman*
Genine Macks Fidler
National Council on the Humanities
Shelley Greenspan
White House liaison to the Jewish community
Jack Lew
U.S. Ambassador to Israel (replaced Thomas Nides)
Eric Garcetti
U.S. Ambassador to India
Amy Gutmann
U.S. Ambassador to Germany
David Cohen
U.S. Ambassador to Canada
Mark Gitenstein
U.S. Ambassador to the European Union
Deborah Lipstadt
Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism
Jonathan Kaplan
U.S. Ambassador to Singapore
Marc Stanley
U.S. Ambassador to Argentina
Rahm Emanuel
U.S. Ambassador to Japan
Sharon Kleinbaum
Commissioner of the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom
Dan Shapiro
Adviser on Iran (2021-2023), Senior Advisor for Regional Jntegration (2023)
Alan Leventhal
U.S. Ambassador to Denmark
Michael Adler
U.S. Ambassador to Belgium
Michle Taylor
U.S. Representative to the United Nations Human Rights Council
Jonathan Kanter
Assistant Attorney General in the United States Department of Justice Antitrust Division
Jed Kolko
Under Secretary of Commerce for Economic Affairs at the Department of Commerce
Aaron Keyak
Deputy Envoy to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism
Stuart Eizenstat
Special Adviser on Holocaust Issues
Steven Dettelbach
Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
Amos Hochstein
Bureau of Energy Resources Special Envoy
Eric Lander
Science and Technology Adviser
Ned Price**
State Department Spokesperson
Ellen Germain
U.S. Special Envoy for Holocaust Issues
Edward Siskel
White House Counsel
*Nominated by Biden but serves a five-year term and not technically a member of the administration.
**Price has a Jewish father and Christian mother and identifies as Jewish.

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Doesn't matter. All that matters is Biden placed a ban on Jewish refugees. Details are for racists or fascists or whatever defense democrats give whenever they claim Trump implemented a Muslim ban.

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I am also always interested in the so-called conservatives who are more radical about Jewish matters than the actual Jews in the Biden administration holding vast power over the Federal Super State.

But anyway....a travel ban on radical settler extremists (responsible for acts of violence) in the West Bank is no more a "Jewish ban" than it was a "Muslim ban" when the Trump administration placed a ban on certain violent countries with a serious terrorism problem that just happened to be majority Muslim.

The Media was wrong to attack Trump over a very rational national security matter in that case.

And in this case its sad to see co-called conservatives doing the same thing

Redbrickbear said:

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Wangchung said:

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Wangchung said:

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Biden has just implemented a Jewish ban.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rare-action-against-israel-us-174821212.html

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Have you seen his cabinet?

I seriously doubt anti-Jewish prejudice was an issue in a majority Jewish Cabinet in the White House.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jews-in-the-biden-administration#google_vignette

Joe Biden was sworn in as the 46th president of the United States on January 20, 2021.
Ron Klain
Chief of Staff (2021-2023), replaced by Jeffrey Zients.
Janet Yellin
Secretary of Treasury
Alejandro Mayorkas
Secretary of Homeland Security
Tony Blinken
Secretary of State
Merrick Garland
Attorney General
Jared Bernstein
Council of Economic Advisers
Mandy Cohen
Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (2023) replaced Rochelle Walensky
Rochelle Walensky
Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (2021-2023)
Wendy Sherman
Deputy Secretary of State
Anne Neuberger
Deputy National Security Adviser for Cybersecurity
Jeffrey Zients
COVID-19 Response Coordinator (2021-2023), Chief of Staff (2023)
David Kessler
Co-chair of the COVID-19 Advisory Board and Head of Operation Warp Speed
David Cohen
CIA Deputy Director
Avril Haines
Director of National Intelligence
Rachel Levine
Deputy Health Secretary
Jennifer Klein
Co-chair Council on Gender Policy
Jessica Rosenworcel
Chair of the Federal Communications Commission
Stephanie Pollack
Deputy Administrator of the Federal Highway Administration
Polly Trottenberg
Deputy Secretary of Transportation
Mira Resnick
State Department Deputy Assistant Secretary for Regional Security
Roberta Jacobson
National Security Council "border czar"
Gary Gensler
Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) Chairman*
Genine Macks Fidler
National Council on the Humanities
Shelley Greenspan
White House liaison to the Jewish community
Jack Lew
U.S. Ambassador to Israel (replaced Thomas Nides)
Eric Garcetti
U.S. Ambassador to India
Amy Gutmann
U.S. Ambassador to Germany
David Cohen
U.S. Ambassador to Canada
Mark Gitenstein
U.S. Ambassador to the European Union
Deborah Lipstadt
Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism
Jonathan Kaplan
U.S. Ambassador to Singapore
Marc Stanley
U.S. Ambassador to Argentina
Rahm Emanuel
U.S. Ambassador to Japan
Sharon Kleinbaum
Commissioner of the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom
Dan Shapiro
Adviser on Iran (2021-2023), Senior Advisor for Regional Jntegration (2023)
Alan Leventhal
U.S. Ambassador to Denmark
Michael Adler
U.S. Ambassador to Belgium
Michle Taylor
U.S. Representative to the United Nations Human Rights Council
Jonathan Kanter
Assistant Attorney General in the United States Department of Justice Antitrust Division
Jed Kolko
Under Secretary of Commerce for Economic Affairs at the Department of Commerce
Aaron Keyak
Deputy Envoy to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism
Stuart Eizenstat
Special Adviser on Holocaust Issues
Steven Dettelbach
Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
Amos Hochstein
Bureau of Energy Resources Special Envoy
Eric Lander
Science and Technology Adviser
Ned Price**
State Department Spokesperson
Ellen Germain
U.S. Special Envoy for Holocaust Issues
Edward Siskel
White House Counsel
*Nominated by Biden but serves a five-year term and not technically a member of the administration.
**Price has a Jewish father and Christian mother and identifies as Jewish.

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Doesn't matter. All that matters is Biden placed a ban on Jewish refugees. Details are for racists or fascists or whatever defense democrats give whenever they claim Trump implemented a Muslim ban.

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I am also ways interested in the so-called conservatives more radical about Jewish matters than the actual Jews in the Biden administration holding vast power over the Federal Super State.

But anyway....a travel ban on radical settlers extremists (responsible for acts of violence) in the West Bank is no more a "Jewish ban" than it was a "Muslim ban" when the Trump administration placed a ban on certain violent countries with a terrorism problems that just happened to be majority Muslim.

The Media was wrong to attack Trump over a very rational national security matter in that case.

And in this case its sad to see co-called conservatives doing the same thing

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Yes, my comments were made with multiple references to the reasoning behind calling it a Muslim ban being applied to this ban. OBVIOUSLY neither bans are based on ethnicity or religion. The point of this exercise is to throw democrat logic right back in their faces now that a similar scenario has presented itself.

% of americans that disapprove of israel’s military in action, by age

55+: 34%
35-54: 44%
18-34: 67% (!)

-gallup

— ian bremmer (@ianbremmer) December 6, 2023

When it comes to Trump (& much else) the media is wrong about everything. Actual journalism from them is rare.

historian said:

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When it comes to Trump (& much else) the media is wrong about everything. Actual journalism from them is rare.

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I hear Trump will 'get em' when he wins

Osodecentx said:

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historian said:

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When it comes to Trump (& much else) the media is wrong about everything. Actual journalism from them is rare.

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I hear Trump will 'get em' when he wins

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Need to ignore those voices.