Netanyahu said "we are at war,"

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historian said:

The Confederates has great military leaders with experience in the Mexican War, as soldiers & officers in the US Army. They often fought against old friends at Bull Run, Antietam, Gettysburg, Chancellorsville, etc. The point is that they were former members of the U.S. military. They also were traitors.
The military of that era was an amalgamation of state militias. That is ultimately why it was so easy to mobilize opposing forces.
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muddybrazos said:

whiterock said:



If you were really in the CIA then you know the truth about Bibi and you know hes not a good guy at all.
we never crossed paths.

He reminds me of Churchill, warts & all. And for that I admire him.

National leaders are normal humans playing the sloppy game of politics. And they fall within a standard distribution. A few with spines like noodles, most of them mixed bags. The best we can hope is that out there on the right end of the standard distribution there are leaders with great talents in moments of crisis. That's where Bibi is. Few leaders have better served their nation.

Whatever else can be said about him, this much is undeniably true: as the Gaza operation winds down, Israel finds itself in a more secure position that it has ever been. Ever. No Israeli leader is more responsible for that than Bibi Netanyahu.
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ShooterTX said:

historian said:

And lots of those soldiers in the US Army would be unwilling to shoot and kill their friends and family, or ordinary Americans who are just like them.

The military has been taken over by woke morons and they have recruited like minded crazies but not very successfully: recruitment numbers are way down for that same reason, although they won't admit it. I've see. Multiple reports about the recruiting crisis & how they cannot figure out why.
Exactly.

There aren't a lot of American soldiers who would be willing to kick doors and shoot their neighbors.

Leftists are so damn stupid. The idea that they could just order the military to murder citizens... it's just ridiculous.
That part in bold is key.

The US military has the power to wrap up an insurrection fairly quickly and easily. But it's more complicated than just weapons & soldiers.

The first response of government to insurrection is to deploy police power to disperse crowds, prosecute lawbreakers, etc...... Military only gets called in after police have been overwhelmed. But within that is even more nuance.

The police are trained to put their hands on criminals....to bust down doors, wrestle suspects to the ground, and affix handcuffs.....to lean their shields into crowds and swing nightsticks to literally beat a riot into submission. Police are trained to see every encounter as a potential life-threatening situation. The context of "service" is to remove bad guys from equations. and a very, very high percentage of police encounters are with criminals. So Police tend to follow orders. To have very little compunction over grabbing citizens and throwing them in jail. They are used to getting into hand to hand combat with lawbreakers. They have no compunction whatsoever at throwing force at unnamed faces in crowds. if ordered to do so, they will.

Not so a soldier. Their training builds a different worldview. They are saviors of the nation. They protect people. They go to great lengths, from weapon design, to orders of battle, to fire control, to rules of engagement...to NOT inflict harm on civilians, even civilians of foreign lands who speak different languages, worship different gods, etc....who may not even appreciate the restraint being afforded to them.

So that creates this dynamic: public order breaks down. police deployed to restore order. crowds overwhelm police. military deployed to restore order. (then the crisis moment). Will the military actually do what is necessary to restore order? Remember, they've been drilled their whole lives NOT to shoot into crowds..... Very often, soldiers let the crowds climb right over the tanks. And that's the real lesson = if the appearance of tanks does not itself disperse the crowd, the crowd will probably win. Because tank crews will not normally fire on crowds.

So watch how the police are used and how effective they are.
And watch what the reaction is when the tanks are deployed. If the deployment itself does not end the uprising.....well, that's the moment when the head of state calls for the aircraft to take him to Switzerland.

as a general rule, when the order is given to send in the tanks, it's already too late........
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Not all militaries refuse to fire on civilians. Communism fell in Eastern Europe because those militaries refused to fire on their own people. It survived in China because the Chinese military would. Historically, the Christian militaries of the west were more like those of eastern europe in this regard. The Democrats and their neocon allies prefer they would be more like the Chinese Red Army (hence the loyalty test that was the Covid shot, and the wholesale promotion of the LGBT agenda).
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Realitybites said:

Not all militaries refuse to fire on civilians. Communism fell in Eastern Europe because those militaries refused to fire on their own people. It survived in China because the Chinese military would. Historically, the Christian militaries of the west were more like those of eastern europe in this regard. The Democrats and their neocon allies prefer they would be more like the Chinese Red Army (hence the loyalty test that was the Covid shot, and the wholesale promotion of the LGBT agenda).
I didn't say all. I said many will not (as your second sentence acknowledges).

In the 1950's, uprisings in Eastern Europe were put down by military force, primarily because the tank crews facing the crowds were Russians, who had far less compunction about shooting civilians of other nationalities.

And remember that iconic image from Tiananmen Square? where a single young man faced off with a tank....a tank which refused to simply shoot or drive over the young man? I agree that the Chinese military would likely fire on its own people, if ordered to do so, but that vignette shows the internal conflicts soldiers have when facing unarmed civilians. It's something for which few militaries train their soldiers. And the first instinct for most soldiers is aversion to squeezing the trigger.

When regimes have to send in troops to restore order....the outcome is highly uncertain.
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whiterock said:

And remember that iconic image from Tiananmen Square? where a single young man faced off with a tank....a tank which refused to simply shoot or drive over the young man? I agree that the Chinese military would likely fire on its own people


"Would likely?"

"It said the 27th Army was ordered to spare no-one, and "shot wounded Shenyang soldiers."
In Liubukou, "four wounded girl students begged for their lives but were bayoneted," it said.
"A three-year-old girl was injured but her mother was shot as she went to her aid as were six others who tried," the cable said.
The account, which gives an estimate of 10,000 civilian deaths, suggests premeditated killings on a mass scale on the streets of Beijing.
"1,000 survivors were told they could escape via Zhengyi Lu but were then mown down by specially prepared machine-gun positions," it says, adding that any ambulances trying to rescue the wounded were also attacked and their crews killed.

27 Army snipers shot many civilians on balconies, street sweepers etc for target practice," the cable says, adding that hospitals in the capital had been ordered to accept only security force casualties.
Former Tiananmen student protest leader Xiong Yan, who was a Beijing University law student at the time, said he was at at the battle of Muxidi.
"I think this is a pretty true account," Xiong told RFA on Wednesday.
"Government departments have ways of finding out military secrets, and they are more likely to have the bigger picture."
U.S.-based former student activist Fang Zheng, who lost both legs in the crackdown, said he was at Liubukou, where he was was run over by an armored vehicle, but was more skeptical about the cables having a big impact.
"There are a lot of things about June 4, 1989 which have yet to come out," Fang said.
"If we ever get the whole truth, I think it can only come from the Chinese government."
"But that's unlikely to happen, because the current regime is still covering it all up and distorting the facts," he said.
"This is still the post-June 4, 1989 government in power."

https://chinhdangvu1.blogspot.com/2017/12/chinese-barbarity-at-least-10000-people.html?m=1

These events have been corroborated by documents released by the British government as their classifications expired. I think you need to go back and research the events of that time beyond a CNN photo.
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ATL Bear said:

historian said:

The Confederates has great military leaders with experience in the Mexican War, as soldiers & officers in the US Army. They often fought against old friends at Bull Run, Antietam, Gettysburg, Chancellorsville, etc. The point is that they were former members of the U.S. military. They also were traitors.
The military of that era was an amalgamation of state militias. That is ultimately why it was so easy to mobilize opposing forces.



Another reason that all the States should reactivate their State defense forces and start buying up heavy weapons, anmmo, and equipment.

Every State should be armed to the teeth and have forces under their direct control and not answerable to whatever tyrannical regime is in charge of DC

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_defense_force

[In the United States, state defense forces (SDFs) are military units that operate under the sole authority of a state government. State defense forces are authorized by state and federal law and are under the command of the governor of each state]




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Don't commit microagreessions against Muslims...

But also, F your Christmas !

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Realitybites said:

whiterock said:

And remember that iconic image from Tiananmen Square? where a single young man faced off with a tank....a tank which refused to simply shoot or drive over the young man? I agree that the Chinese military would likely fire on its own people


"Would likely?"

"It said the 27th Army was ordered to spare no-one, and "shot wounded Shenyang soldiers."
In Liubukou, "four wounded girl students begged for their lives but were bayoneted," it said.
"A three-year-old girl was injured but her mother was shot as she went to her aid as were six others who tried," the cable said.
The account, which gives an estimate of 10,000 civilian deaths, suggests premeditated killings on a mass scale on the streets of Beijing.
"1,000 survivors were told they could escape via Zhengyi Lu but were then mown down by specially prepared machine-gun positions," it says, adding that any ambulances trying to rescue the wounded were also attacked and their crews killed.

27 Army snipers shot many civilians on balconies, street sweepers etc for target practice," the cable says, adding that hospitals in the capital had been ordered to accept only security force casualties.
Former Tiananmen student protest leader Xiong Yan, who was a Beijing University law student at the time, said he was at at the battle of Muxidi.
"I think this is a pretty true account," Xiong told RFA on Wednesday.
"Government departments have ways of finding out military secrets, and they are more likely to have the bigger picture."
U.S.-based former student activist Fang Zheng, who lost both legs in the crackdown, said he was at Liubukou, where he was was run over by an armored vehicle, but was more skeptical about the cables having a big impact.
"There are a lot of things about June 4, 1989 which have yet to come out," Fang said.
"If we ever get the whole truth, I think it can only come from the Chinese government."
"But that's unlikely to happen, because the current regime is still covering it all up and distorting the facts," he said.
"This is still the post-June 4, 1989 government in power."

https://chinhdangvu1.blogspot.com/2017/12/chinese-barbarity-at-least-10000-people.html?m=1

These events have been corroborated by documents released by the British government as their classifications expired. I think you need to go back and research the events of that time beyond a CNN photo.

The Chinese have not respected human life for decades. The commies are famous around the world for inhumane actions and a general lack of respect for life.

To compare American culture with a communist culture is a ridiculous comparison. Yes, the leftist LOVE to kill babies... but they are very sqwishy about killing grownups... even when they have been convicted of the most vile things in a court of law.

Communists have always insured that they have trained their military to kill without conscience. You can see this in Russia, Cuba, China, and everywhere else that the red *******s have gained power. This is one of the reasons why Reagan called them the "evil empire", and the rest of the world agreed. The leftists in America blasted Reagan for saying this... not because they disagreed, but because the feared that the blood-thirsty commies might start a nuclear war over the words.

The US military may be screwed up, but it isn't anywhere as horrific as the Chinese Red Army. That is just a terrible comparison. I don't think you, Realitybites, are comparing the two... but this is directed at anyone who might make that incorrect conclusion. I believe you are just refuting the idea that the Chinese Army showed restraint during the Tiananmen Square incident. You are correct. They acted with intense brutality. It is rumored that the "tank man" was arrested and executed after that incident. What is less well known is that the tank commander was also executed, for creating an international embarrassment to the Red Army.
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Jack Bauer said:

Don't commit microagreessions against Muslims...

But also, F your Christmas !



I would not shed a single tear if every single one of those protestors were run down in the middle of that highway. In fact, I might raise a glass to the drivers involved.
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ShooterTX said:

Realitybites said:

whiterock said:

And remember that iconic image from Tiananmen Square? where a single young man faced off with a tank....a tank which refused to simply shoot or drive over the young man? I agree that the Chinese military would likely fire on its own people


"Would likely?"

"It said the 27th Army was ordered to spare no-one, and "shot wounded Shenyang soldiers."
In Liubukou, "four wounded girl students begged for their lives but were bayoneted," it said.
"A three-year-old girl was injured but her mother was shot as she went to her aid as were six others who tried," the cable said.
The account, which gives an estimate of 10,000 civilian deaths, suggests premeditated killings on a mass scale on the streets of Beijing.
"1,000 survivors were told they could escape via Zhengyi Lu but were then mown down by specially prepared machine-gun positions," it says, adding that any ambulances trying to rescue the wounded were also attacked and their crews killed.

27 Army snipers shot many civilians on balconies, street sweepers etc for target practice," the cable says, adding that hospitals in the capital had been ordered to accept only security force casualties.
Former Tiananmen student protest leader Xiong Yan, who was a Beijing University law student at the time, said he was at at the battle of Muxidi.
"I think this is a pretty true account," Xiong told RFA on Wednesday.
"Government departments have ways of finding out military secrets, and they are more likely to have the bigger picture."
U.S.-based former student activist Fang Zheng, who lost both legs in the crackdown, said he was at Liubukou, where he was was run over by an armored vehicle, but was more skeptical about the cables having a big impact.
"There are a lot of things about June 4, 1989 which have yet to come out," Fang said.
"If we ever get the whole truth, I think it can only come from the Chinese government."
"But that's unlikely to happen, because the current regime is still covering it all up and distorting the facts," he said.
"This is still the post-June 4, 1989 government in power."

https://chinhdangvu1.blogspot.com/2017/12/chinese-barbarity-at-least-10000-people.html?m=1

These events have been corroborated by documents released by the British government as their classifications expired. I think you need to go back and research the events of that time beyond a CNN photo.
I believe you are just refuting the idea that the Chinese Army showed restraint during the Tiananmen Square incident. You are correct. They acted with intense brutality. It is rumored that the "tank man" was arrested and executed after that incident. .



Interestingly enough the Chinese army is just the armed wing of the Communist party.

It does not exist explicitly to serve the nation…but first and foremost the party.


"The People's Liberation Army (PLA) is the armed wing of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and serves as the principal military force of the People's Republic of China."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army

Its literally stated 1st goal is the protection of the Communist Party leadership….protecting the nation is a lower priority.


[In 2004, paramount leader Hu Jintao stated the mission of the PLA as:

1. The insurance of CCP leadership

2. The protection of the sovereignty, territorial integrity, internal security and national development of the People's Republic of China

3. Safeguarding the country's interests and
Maintaining and safeguarding world peace]
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Realitybites said:

whiterock said:

And remember that iconic image from Tiananmen Square? where a single young man faced off with a tank....a tank which refused to simply shoot or drive over the young man? I agree that the Chinese military would likely fire on its own people


"Would likely?"

"It said the 27th Army was ordered to spare no-one, and "shot wounded Shenyang soldiers."
In Liubukou, "four wounded girl students begged for their lives but were bayoneted," it said.
"A three-year-old girl was injured but her mother was shot as she went to her aid as were six others who tried," the cable said.
The account, which gives an estimate of 10,000 civilian deaths, suggests premeditated killings on a mass scale on the streets of Beijing.
"1,000 survivors were told they could escape via Zhengyi Lu but were then mown down by specially prepared machine-gun positions," it says, adding that any ambulances trying to rescue the wounded were also attacked and their crews killed.

27 Army snipers shot many civilians on balconies, street sweepers etc for target practice," the cable says, adding that hospitals in the capital had been ordered to accept only security force casualties.
Former Tiananmen student protest leader Xiong Yan, who was a Beijing University law student at the time, said he was at at the battle of Muxidi.
"I think this is a pretty true account," Xiong told RFA on Wednesday.
"Government departments have ways of finding out military secrets, and they are more likely to have the bigger picture."
U.S.-based former student activist Fang Zheng, who lost both legs in the crackdown, said he was at Liubukou, where he was was run over by an armored vehicle, but was more skeptical about the cables having a big impact.
"There are a lot of things about June 4, 1989 which have yet to come out," Fang said.
"If we ever get the whole truth, I think it can only come from the Chinese government."
"But that's unlikely to happen, because the current regime is still covering it all up and distorting the facts," he said.
"This is still the post-June 4, 1989 government in power."

https://chinhdangvu1.blogspot.com/2017/12/chinese-barbarity-at-least-10000-people.html?m=1

These events have been corroborated by documents released by the British government as their classifications expired. I think you need to go back and research the events of that time beyond a CNN photo.

That 10,000 number is probably an understatement and there are many examples of Chinese atrocities related to Tiananmen Square that have been suppressed by their evil regime. That's what totalitarian dictatorships do: terrorize their own citizens and cover it up.

We should never forget: Stalin & the Soviets were worse than Hitler & the Nazis. China under Mao was worse than either and hasn't really changed enough since then, at least in terms of human rights.
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1950s and beyond: think of the Prague Spring in 1968. I've seen photos of Soviet tanks in Wenceslas Square.

An excellent example of the phenomenon you describe is Eastern Europe in 1989. In all those revolutions, only Romania had any significant violence and, in the end, that ended after a short time. The soldiers did what they were told but balked at shooting at Romanian civilians. Once that happened, it was over and they turned on Nicolae Ceauescu. He was murdered and his regime collapsed.

It's not limited to civilians of the same country. In the early stages of the Holocaust, some of the SS soldiers mowing down innocent people with machine guns were traumatized and were unable to continue. The prevalence of this is one reason they developed the more efficient method of mass murder at Auschwitz, Treblinka, Chemnitz, Sobibor, and the rest with an assembly line of murder using gas chambers disguised as showers and crematoria.
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historian said:

1950s and beyond: think of the Prague Spring in 1968. I've seen photos of Soviet tanks in Wenceslas Square.





Interesting quote on that.

"In 1956 troops from the USSR were willing to travel a thousand miles from Moscow to Budapest to put down a revolt against Soviet rule. By August of 1991 those same soldiers were no longer willing to defend the regime in Moscow itself"


One has to wonder how long until American troops will no longer be willing to defend our regime…..a lot can change in 35 years
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American soldiers who believe in America, the country we all know and love, will not have unlimited loyalty to a criminal regime with clearly contrary priorities. However, this regime has been very clever and insidious in its destructive behaviors. The way they have tried to take over the military with "woke" morons was an effort to change that dynamic. It's poetic justice that they cannot recruit enough drag queens and other perverts to maintain our military strength and capabilities.
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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Cobretti said:


Anyone surprised many of these Karens are wearing masks?
no kidding.

It's really sad to see people still wearing masks in 2023.. but it is also helpful. Whenever I see someone with a mask these days, i just know that they are extremely low IQ. It helps me avoid idiots in my daily life.
Wearing masks definitely screams I AM A MORON either one is a science denier or a virtual signaling fascist.

The stupidity of this post astounds me.



The stupidity of still wearing masks long after they were found to be mostly ineffective astounds me




First, the type of mask makes a big difference. People were misled early to think cloth masks were effective, so they wore them thinking they were protected. Of course those people got covvid more often than others. Covid is able to live in very small microdroplets that only KN95 and better can be somewhat effective against.

Secondly, masks existed far before covid. A kid would get a cold in Asia, wear a mask to school, and go about life. Masks are effective against common minor sicknesses. So someone wears a mask because they feel sick and you judgy zealots are inwardly thinking "stupid people."

I am scraping windows ight now I think might have lead paint, and am gladly an idiot in the eyes of sicem zealots. Basically lots of reasons to wear masks aside from covid.
Spare us the gaslighting. The "K95" started about February 2022 after "masks" were continually proven not only to be ineffective but also exacerbate the problem. No rona authoritarian in 2020 or 2021 was saying "only KN95." It was never about t'science or stopping the spread but social control and virtue signaling. And some of us are smart enough to know the difference between < 1 micron virus and lead paint, so save your condescension for your regressive moron friends that believe the Russia Hoax and the 2016 election was stolen and Trump banned Mooslims.

Do you realize that covid was a novel virus and at the beginning, like 2021, nobody really knew how to stop it? For that matter nobody does today either.

Anyways as I've demonstrated, I'm right and your "i look down on mask wearers" stupidity is wrong. I'm not really interested in educating you on this matter, just making sure it is established i am right and you are wrong so there.



At least on this message board; you have never been right about anything.

Ever.

Which makes me wonder how in the world you manage to support yourself.

Or does your spouse continue to do the heavy lifting ?



Are you a reboot of another account? Florida Mike?


Wrong still again.

Whoever is paying your bills should trade up.

You do use bigger words than Florida Mile ever did, and yet I've never seen anything of substance from the little attention I've paid your posts.

Maybe whoever is paying your bills should trade down.
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Doc Holliday said:

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well, Iran seems to want to keep getting to the "Find Out" stage of all their misgivings. Let them eat depleted uranium.
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trey3216 said:

Doc Holliday said:

Warhawks loving this


well, Iran seems to want to keep getting to the "Find Out" stage of all their misgivings. Let them eat depleted uranium.
Another long war coming up. Yay…
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Realitybites said:

whiterock said:

And remember that iconic image from Tiananmen Square? where a single young man faced off with a tank....a tank which refused to simply shoot or drive over the young man? I agree that the Chinese military would likely fire on its own people


"Would likely?"

"It said the 27th Army was ordered to spare no-one, and "shot wounded Shenyang soldiers."
In Liubukou, "four wounded girl students begged for their lives but were bayoneted," it said.
"A three-year-old girl was injured but her mother was shot as she went to her aid as were six others who tried," the cable said.
The account, which gives an estimate of 10,000 civilian deaths, suggests premeditated killings on a mass scale on the streets of Beijing.
"1,000 survivors were told they could escape via Zhengyi Lu but were then mown down by specially prepared machine-gun positions," it says, adding that any ambulances trying to rescue the wounded were also attacked and their crews killed.

27 Army snipers shot many civilians on balconies, street sweepers etc for target practice," the cable says, adding that hospitals in the capital had been ordered to accept only security force casualties.
Former Tiananmen student protest leader Xiong Yan, who was a Beijing University law student at the time, said he was at at the battle of Muxidi.
"I think this is a pretty true account," Xiong told RFA on Wednesday.
"Government departments have ways of finding out military secrets, and they are more likely to have the bigger picture."
U.S.-based former student activist Fang Zheng, who lost both legs in the crackdown, said he was at Liubukou, where he was was run over by an armored vehicle, but was more skeptical about the cables having a big impact.
"There are a lot of things about June 4, 1989 which have yet to come out," Fang said.
"If we ever get the whole truth, I think it can only come from the Chinese government."
"But that's unlikely to happen, because the current regime is still covering it all up and distorting the facts," he said.
"This is still the post-June 4, 1989 government in power."

https://chinhdangvu1.blogspot.com/2017/12/chinese-barbarity-at-least-10000-people.html?m=1

These events have been corroborated by documents released by the British government as their classifications expired. I think you need to go back and research the events of that time beyond a CNN photo.
LOL dude I lived that period. Most significant accomplishment of my intel career was greatly facilitated by that day....

Your ability to look right past the point and pull nonsense out of a body cavity is truly profound. Even in Chinese military (a political extension of the ruling party) which did see instances of willingness to fire on civilians, there was a ton of evidence where soldiers did NOT do that, most notably the commander (and/or driver) of that tank in that iconic video. MOST soldiers are very reluctant to fire on unarmed civilians. Generals know that and calculate advice and actions accordingly.

Ukraine Maidan is instructive and far more typical. The police did engage in armed conflict with protestors, which failed to stop the crisis. The government fled before the military got called in. If we could ever read the inside reports, we'd probably see generals were crawfishing all over the place to avoid being sent in, leading Yanukovich to realize that he could not count on his military to do the job. THAT is a typical scenario....a military either not wanting to join one political side or the other, or a military already divided between the two sides. (with China being a notable exception of one-party state with the military being an arm of the party).

Not that I have any experience in such things......

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Doc Holliday said:

trey3216 said:

Doc Holliday said:

Warhawks loving this


well, Iran seems to want to keep getting to the "Find Out" stage of all their misgivings. Let them eat depleted uranium.
Another long war coming up. Yay…



Yea….


It went so well for us last time in that crappy part of the world when we let some neo-cons and liberals get us into a war in Iraq.

7,000 Americans dead (8,000+ contractors)

300,000 to a million dead Iraqis…plus $800 billion to $1 trillion wasted.

And then a humiliating military withdraw and Iraq left under de-facto Iranian influence.

I guess after a future disastrous war with Iran in the region we can wonder how many dead Americans and Persian that will amount to and how much will it cost?

And then who will a post war Iran be under the influence of? China? Someone else?

Can't wait to see that bloody circus play out


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Redbrickbear said:

Doc Holliday said:

trey3216 said:

Doc Holliday said:

Warhawks loving this


well, Iran seems to want to keep getting to the "Find Out" stage of all their misgivings. Let them eat depleted uranium.
Another long war coming up. Yay…



Yea….


It went so well for us last time in that crappy part of the world when we let some neo-cons and liberals get us into a war in Iraq.

7,000 Americans dead (8,000+ contractors)

300,000 to a million dead Iraqis…plus $800 billion to $1 trillion wasted.

And then a humiliating military withdraw and Iraq left under de-facto Iranian influence.

I guess after a future disastrous war with Iran in the region we can wonder how many dead Americans and Persian that will amount to and how much will it cost?

And then who will a post war Iran be under the influence of? China? Someone else?

Can't wait to see that bloody circus play out



no, the bloody circus you're waiting to play out is the increased spending, in our own military and in aid to others, to counter a Russia with substantially greater resources, 40m more people, and new borders with 5 additional NATO states along which they will position tactical and strategic nuclear weapons units surrounded by offensive conventional weaponry that will extend Russian "influence" 600mi deeper into Europe.

Policy critics blithely assume that we will be safer from war and spending less money on deterrence if we let Russia have all of Ukraine, when the exact opposite is true. We've destroyed over half the Russian Army and restricted its fleets of ships and aircraft to port spending 5% of our a peace-time military budgets and not a drop of our own blood, and you see it as a waste.

Such willful blindness is flippin' incredible.
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Doc Holliday said:

trey3216 said:

Doc Holliday said:

Warhawks loving this


well, Iran seems to want to keep getting to the "Find Out" stage of all their misgivings. Let them eat depleted uranium.
Another long war coming up. Yay…

Israel has had that off and on for decades. Iran likes to talk a lot but they fight all their wars through proxies such as Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthi's in Yemen, etc. It works for them because Europe's leaders ard feckless cowards and all too often America has the same, such as our current fake president.
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I think it's possible that even in a one party stats such as the old Soviet Union, the military might be reluctant to fire on their own civilians. It probably contributed to the collapse of the "evil empire". By the time of their failed coup against Gorbachev, the Red Army leadership was so corrupt and unpopular that they were restrained. Yeltsin was more popular than any of them and the military was confused and hesitant when he had his dramatic day with the protestors getting on the rank and eliminating any chance of a military response.
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whiterock said:

Redbrickbear said:

Doc Holliday said:

trey3216 said:

Doc Holliday said:

Warhawks loving this


well, Iran seems to want to keep getting to the "Find Out" stage of all their misgivings. Let them eat depleted uranium.
Another long war coming up. Yay…



Yea….


It went so well for us last time in that crappy part of the world when we let some neo-cons and liberals get us into a war in Iraq.

7,000 Americans dead (8,000+ contractors)

300,000 to a million dead Iraqis…plus $800 billion to $1 trillion wasted.

And then a humiliating military withdraw and Iraq left under de-facto Iranian influence.

I guess after a future disastrous war with Iran in the region we can wonder how many dead Americans and Persian that will amount to and how much will it cost?

And then who will a post war Iran be under the influence of? China? Someone else?

Can't wait to see that bloody circus play out



no, the bloody circus you're waiting to play out is the increased spending, in our own military and in aid to others, to counter a Russia with substantially greater resources, 40m more people, and new borders with 5 additional NATO states along which they will position tactical and strategic nuclear weapons units surrounded by offensive conventional weaponry that will extend Russian "influence" 600mi deeper into Europe.

Policy critics blithely assume that we will be safer from war and spending less money on deterrence if we let Russia have all of Ukraine, when the exact opposite is true. We've destroyed over half the Russian Army and restricted its fleets of ships and aircraft to port spending 5% of our a peace-time military budgets and not a drop of our own blood, and you see it as a waste.

Such willful blindness is flippin' incredible.



Russia is no match for NATO

It's a country with a fertility rate well below replacement rate and a Soviet rusting out infrastructure…it even has to buy ammo from North Korea.

Its no threat to the massive NATO alliance

Stop being afraid of the russkie under the bed






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Porteroso said:

KaiBear said:

Porteroso said:

KaiBear said:

Porteroso said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Porteroso said:

Redbrickbear said:

Porteroso said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

ShooterTX said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Cobretti said:


Anyone surprised many of these Karens are wearing masks?
no kidding.

It's really sad to see people still wearing masks in 2023.. but it is also helpful. Whenever I see someone with a mask these days, i just know that they are extremely low IQ. It helps me avoid idiots in my daily life.
Wearing masks definitely screams I AM A MORON either one is a science denier or a virtual signaling fascist.

The stupidity of this post astounds me.



The stupidity of still wearing masks long after they were found to be mostly ineffective astounds me




First, the type of mask makes a big difference. People were misled early to think cloth masks were effective, so they wore them thinking they were protected. Of course those people got covvid more often than others. Covid is able to live in very small microdroplets that only KN95 and better can be somewhat effective against.

Secondly, masks existed far before covid. A kid would get a cold in Asia, wear a mask to school, and go about life. Masks are effective against common minor sicknesses. So someone wears a mask because they feel sick and you judgy zealots are inwardly thinking "stupid people."

I am scraping windows ight now I think might have lead paint, and am gladly an idiot in the eyes of sicem zealots. Basically lots of reasons to wear masks aside from covid.
Spare us the gaslighting. The "K95" started about February 2022 after "masks" were continually proven not only to be ineffective but also exacerbate the problem. No rona authoritarian in 2020 or 2021 was saying "only KN95." It was never about t'science or stopping the spread but social control and virtue signaling. And some of us are smart enough to know the difference between < 1 micron virus and lead paint, so save your condescension for your regressive moron friends that believe the Russia Hoax and the 2016 election was stolen and Trump banned Mooslims.

Do you realize that covid was a novel virus and at the beginning, like 2021, nobody really knew how to stop it? For that matter nobody does today either.

Anyways as I've demonstrated, I'm right and your "i look down on mask wearers" stupidity is wrong. I'm not really interested in educating you on this matter, just making sure it is established i am right and you are wrong so there.



At least on this message board; you have never been right about anything.

Ever.

Which makes me wonder how in the world you manage to support yourself.

Or does your spouse continue to do the heavy lifting ?



Are you a reboot of another account? Florida Mike?


Wrong still again.

Whoever is paying your bills should trade up.

You do use bigger words than Florida Mile ever did, and yet I've never seen anything of substance from the little attention I've paid your posts.

Maybe whoever is paying your bills should trade down.


A. Florida Mike was an amusing poster sometimes. However he was often angry with me since I don't like Trump.
B. Your comments are almost always wacky. Have long suspected you are either under the age of 19 or have lived in a perpetual cocoon supplied by your parents. Either way you appear to be extremely naive.
C. I pay my own bills ( you should try it ) and provide employment for others.
D. My wife is the best / smartest / kindest person I have ever known. No trades for me God Willing.
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KaiBear said:

Porteroso said:

KaiBear said:

Porteroso said:

KaiBear said:

Porteroso said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Porteroso said:

Redbrickbear said:

Porteroso said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

ShooterTX said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Cobretti said:


Anyone surprised many of these Karens are wearing masks?
no kidding.

It's really sad to see people still wearing masks in 2023.. but it is also helpful. Whenever I see someone with a mask these days, i just know that they are extremely low IQ. It helps me avoid idiots in my daily life.
Wearing masks definitely screams I AM A MORON either one is a science denier or a virtual signaling fascist.

The stupidity of this post astounds me.



The stupidity of still wearing masks long after they were found to be mostly ineffective astounds me




First, the type of mask makes a big difference. People were misled early to think cloth masks were effective, so they wore them thinking they were protected. Of course those people got covvid more often than others. Covid is able to live in very small microdroplets that only KN95 and better can be somewhat effective against.

Secondly, masks existed far before covid. A kid would get a cold in Asia, wear a mask to school, and go about life. Masks are effective against common minor sicknesses. So someone wears a mask because they feel sick and you judgy zealots are inwardly thinking "stupid people."

I am scraping windows ight now I think might have lead paint, and am gladly an idiot in the eyes of sicem zealots. Basically lots of reasons to wear masks aside from covid.
Spare us the gaslighting. The "K95" started about February 2022 after "masks" were continually proven not only to be ineffective but also exacerbate the problem. No rona authoritarian in 2020 or 2021 was saying "only KN95." It was never about t'science or stopping the spread but social control and virtue signaling. And some of us are smart enough to know the difference between < 1 micron virus and lead paint, so save your condescension for your regressive moron friends that believe the Russia Hoax and the 2016 election was stolen and Trump banned Mooslims.

Do you realize that covid was a novel virus and at the beginning, like 2021, nobody really knew how to stop it? For that matter nobody does today either.

Anyways as I've demonstrated, I'm right and your "i look down on mask wearers" stupidity is wrong. I'm not really interested in educating you on this matter, just making sure it is established i am right and you are wrong so there.



At least on this message board; you have never been right about anything.

Ever.

Which makes me wonder how in the world you manage to support yourself.

Or does your spouse continue to do the heavy lifting ?



Are you a reboot of another account? Florida Mike?


Wrong still again.

Whoever is paying your bills should trade up.

You do use bigger words than Florida Mile ever did, and yet I've never seen anything of substance from the little attention I've paid your posts.

Maybe whoever is paying your bills should trade down.


A. Florida Mike was an amusing poster sometimes. However he was often angry with me since I don't like Trump.
B. Your comments are almost always wacky. Have long suspected you are either under the age of 19 or have lived in a perpetual cocoon supplied by your parents. Either way you appear to be extremely naive.
C. I pay my own bills ( you should try it ) and provide employment for others.
D. My wife is the best / smartest / kindest person I have ever known. No trades for me God Willing.

You will have to provide better bait than that.
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Redbrickbear said:

whiterock said:

Redbrickbear said:

Doc Holliday said:

trey3216 said:

Doc Holliday said:

Warhawks loving this


well, Iran seems to want to keep getting to the "Find Out" stage of all their misgivings. Let them eat depleted uranium.
Another long war coming up. Yay…



Yea….


It went so well for us last time in that crappy part of the world when we let some neo-cons and liberals get us into a war in Iraq.

7,000 Americans dead (8,000+ contractors)

300,000 to a million dead Iraqis…plus $800 billion to $1 trillion wasted.

And then a humiliating military withdraw and Iraq left under de-facto Iranian influence.

I guess after a future disastrous war with Iran in the region we can wonder how many dead Americans and Persian that will amount to and how much will it cost?

And then who will a post war Iran be under the influence of? China? Someone else?

Can't wait to see that bloody circus play out



no, the bloody circus you're waiting to play out is the increased spending, in our own military and in aid to others, to counter a Russia with substantially greater resources, 40m more people, and new borders with 5 additional NATO states along which they will position tactical and strategic nuclear weapons units surrounded by offensive conventional weaponry that will extend Russian "influence" 600mi deeper into Europe.

Policy critics blithely assume that we will be safer from war and spending less money on deterrence if we let Russia have all of Ukraine, when the exact opposite is true. We've destroyed over half the Russian Army and restricted its fleets of ships and aircraft to port spending 5% of our a peace-time military budgets and not a drop of our own blood, and you see it as a waste.

Such willful blindness is flippin' incredible.



Russia is no match for NATO

It's a country with a fertility rate well below replacement rate and a Soviet rusting out infrastructure…it even has to buy ammo from North Korea.

Its no threat to the massive NATO alliance

Stop being afraid of the russkie under the bed







LOL Russia is no match for Ukraine!

The shallowness of your analysis is exceeded only by its consistency. It does not matter how good the Russians are relative to Nato. If they miscalculate and start a war they cannot win, (as they did in Ukraine) you still have to win that war. That will cost 10,000x what Ukraine has cost us....not just the cost of munitions and the cost of burials, but the costs of rebuilding cities and infrastructure......bridges, ports, airfields, grids, etc....

Seriously, dude. it's like you've never read any history at all. Japan knew it could not defeat America in a straight up pitched battle. They literally thought if they took out our Pacific fleet in one fell swoop, we'd sue for peace because we did not have the fortitude to endure a year or more of losses and would throw in the towel rather than grind our way thru the pain to take back islands halfway around the world from Washington DC one bloody battle at a time just to get the chance to invade Fortress Japan and run the world dry of bodybags.
Russia is in a far better position than Japan ever was. They can, by sheer weight of numbers, take Estonia. then stop. then wait for us to act. Dare us to respond forcefully at the end of our supply chain. Russia will coldly (mis)calculate that Paris will not send its sons to die for Tallinn. Then, when it doesn't work out that way, they will simply try to draw the battle out over a couple of years, assuming voters will tire of it all and force the politicians to cut a deal.

Don't think Russians don't think like that. They are the Chuck Wepner of global powers. They know they aren't as fast or powerful as their main adversaries. They KNOW, at a virtual genetic level, that they are tougher, can take unlimited amounts of punishment, and will outlast their opponents. THAT IS THEIR PLAN. That is why they don't plan well, don't prepare well, why their equipment doesn't work well. They don't really think that matters very much. They actually tend to sneer at Western Europe as bunch of mama's boys who have every advantage and privilege but will still wet their pants when they get hit in the nose real good.

Your policy is incredibly naive and dangerous.
Actually, you have no policy.
All you're doing is defining Russia as irrelevant.

KaiBear
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Porteroso said:

KaiBear said:

Porteroso said:

KaiBear said:

Porteroso said:

KaiBear said:

Porteroso said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Porteroso said:

Redbrickbear said:

Porteroso said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

ShooterTX said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Cobretti said:


Anyone surprised many of these Karens are wearing masks?
no kidding.

It's really sad to see people still wearing masks in 2023.. but it is also helpful. Whenever I see someone with a mask these days, i just know that they are extremely low IQ. It helps me avoid idiots in my daily life.
Wearing masks definitely screams I AM A MORON either one is a science denier or a virtual signaling fascist.

The stupidity of this post astounds me.



The stupidity of still wearing masks long after they were found to be mostly ineffective astounds me




First, the type of mask makes a big difference. People were misled early to think cloth masks were effective, so they wore them thinking they were protected. Of course those people got covvid more often than others. Covid is able to live in very small microdroplets that only KN95 and better can be somewhat effective against.

Secondly, masks existed far before covid. A kid would get a cold in Asia, wear a mask to school, and go about life. Masks are effective against common minor sicknesses. So someone wears a mask because they feel sick and you judgy zealots are inwardly thinking "stupid people."

I am scraping windows ight now I think might have lead paint, and am gladly an idiot in the eyes of sicem zealots. Basically lots of reasons to wear masks aside from covid.
Spare us the gaslighting. The "K95" started about February 2022 after "masks" were continually proven not only to be ineffective but also exacerbate the problem. No rona authoritarian in 2020 or 2021 was saying "only KN95." It was never about t'science or stopping the spread but social control and virtue signaling. And some of us are smart enough to know the difference between < 1 micron virus and lead paint, so save your condescension for your regressive moron friends that believe the Russia Hoax and the 2016 election was stolen and Trump banned Mooslims.

Do you realize that covid was a novel virus and at the beginning, like 2021, nobody really knew how to stop it? For that matter nobody does today either.

Anyways as I've demonstrated, I'm right and your "i look down on mask wearers" stupidity is wrong. I'm not really interested in educating you on this matter, just making sure it is established i am right and you are wrong so there.



At least on this message board; you have never been right about anything.

Ever.

Which makes me wonder how in the world you manage to support yourself.

Or does your spouse continue to do the heavy lifting ?



Are you a reboot of another account? Florida Mike?


Wrong still again.

Whoever is paying your bills should trade up.

You do use bigger words than Florida Mile ever did, and yet I've never seen anything of substance from the little attention I've paid your posts.

Maybe whoever is paying your bills should trade down.


A. Florida Mike was an amusing poster sometimes. However he was often angry with me since I don't like Trump.
B. Your comments are almost always wacky. Have long suspected you are either under the age of 19 or have lived in a perpetual cocoon supplied by your parents. Either way you appear to be extremely naive.
C. I pay my own bills ( you should try it ) and provide employment for others.
D. My wife is the best / smartest / kindest person I have ever known. No trades for me God Willing.

You will have to provide better bait than that.


A pointless deflection.

Yet you wonder why I rarely bother to 'engage' you.
historian
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Great demographic info there. I was surprised that someone would assert that Russia's population is great than the US. We have 335 million and growing, they have a fraction of that and declining. We are the world's third most populous country, only behind China & India.
Redbrickbear
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historian said:

Great demographic info there. I was surprised that someone would assert that Russia's population is great than the US. We have 335 million and growing, they have a fraction of that and declining. We are the world's third most populous country, only behind China & India.



Yep, the USA alone outnumbers Russia almost 3 to 1….yet we totally need to be scared of the mighty Russians taking on NATO (900+ million strong)

If we don't stop them and their rusted old Soviet tanks in Ukraine they will march right into Paris!
historian
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I wouldn't count on NATO for much. Most countries in Europe have limited military forces and very little real experience. In the 1990s they couldn't do anything with the mess in the Balkans until the US got involved. They may have had some token participation in Iraq or Afghanistan but not in enough numbers to mean anything. None of our allies have had a real military budget since WWII. Throughout the Cold War we provided their defense.
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historian said:

I wouldn't count on NATO for much. Most countries in Europe have limited military forces and very little real experience. In the 1990s they couldn't do anything with the mess in the Balkans until the US got involved. They may have had some token participation in Iraq or Afghanistan but not in enough numbers to mean anything. None of our allies have had a real military budget since WWII. Throughout the Cold War we provided their defense.
The Russians don't. They think NATO will not fight, when push comes to shove. And throwing in the towel in Ukraine, as policy critics advocate, will only convince the Russians they are right.
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Porteroso
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KaiBear said:

Porteroso said:

KaiBear said:

Porteroso said:

KaiBear said:

Porteroso said:

KaiBear said:

Porteroso said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Porteroso said:

Redbrickbear said:

Porteroso said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

ShooterTX said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Cobretti said:


Anyone surprised many of these Karens are wearing masks?
no kidding.

It's really sad to see people still wearing masks in 2023.. but it is also helpful. Whenever I see someone with a mask these days, i just know that they are extremely low IQ. It helps me avoid idiots in my daily life.
Wearing masks definitely screams I AM A MORON either one is a science denier or a virtual signaling fascist.

The stupidity of this post astounds me.



The stupidity of still wearing masks long after they were found to be mostly ineffective astounds me




First, the type of mask makes a big difference. People were misled early to think cloth masks were effective, so they wore them thinking they were protected. Of course those people got covvid more often than others. Covid is able to live in very small microdroplets that only KN95 and better can be somewhat effective against.

Secondly, masks existed far before covid. A kid would get a cold in Asia, wear a mask to school, and go about life. Masks are effective against common minor sicknesses. So someone wears a mask because they feel sick and you judgy zealots are inwardly thinking "stupid people."

I am scraping windows ight now I think might have lead paint, and am gladly an idiot in the eyes of sicem zealots. Basically lots of reasons to wear masks aside from covid.
Spare us the gaslighting. The "K95" started about February 2022 after "masks" were continually proven not only to be ineffective but also exacerbate the problem. No rona authoritarian in 2020 or 2021 was saying "only KN95." It was never about t'science or stopping the spread but social control and virtue signaling. And some of us are smart enough to know the difference between < 1 micron virus and lead paint, so save your condescension for your regressive moron friends that believe the Russia Hoax and the 2016 election was stolen and Trump banned Mooslims.

Do you realize that covid was a novel virus and at the beginning, like 2021, nobody really knew how to stop it? For that matter nobody does today either.

Anyways as I've demonstrated, I'm right and your "i look down on mask wearers" stupidity is wrong. I'm not really interested in educating you on this matter, just making sure it is established i am right and you are wrong so there.



At least on this message board; you have never been right about anything.

Ever.

Which makes me wonder how in the world you manage to support yourself.

Or does your spouse continue to do the heavy lifting ?



Are you a reboot of another account? Florida Mike?


Wrong still again.

Whoever is paying your bills should trade up.

You do use bigger words than Florida Mile ever did, and yet I've never seen anything of substance from the little attention I've paid your posts.

Maybe whoever is paying your bills should trade down.


A. Florida Mike was an amusing poster sometimes. However he was often angry with me since I don't like Trump.
B. Your comments are almost always wacky. Have long suspected you are either under the age of 19 or have lived in a perpetual cocoon supplied by your parents. Either way you appear to be extremely naive.
C. I pay my own bills ( you should try it ) and provide employment for others.
D. My wife is the best / smartest / kindest person I have ever known. No trades for me God Willing.

You will have to provide better bait than that.


A pointless deflection.

Yet you wonder why I rarely bother to 'engage' you.

I'm sorry, you insulted me, complimented yourself, and call it a post worth reading? Am I supposed to get upset? Just another drivel filled white box with black lettering.
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